To Patti: Re: OT: To shelter owners/volunteers-your opinion needed on site visit for Ma...
Yes, they were interested in adopting a 7 yr. old that had lived in a cage it's whole life in a puppy mill. So sad! This new dog will need special socialization help. They did say that their vet is a good friend of the husband's, whom he's known since they were 10, and they can and have called her at all hours of the night. This couple has grown children, so only pets live in the house with them. They were very nice folks. I am not sure about the records; I guess the shelter owner will handle that. I will let you know what they decide to do. Thanks for the info. Patti. :) Wendy --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wendy, Were the people you visited interested in adopting another... Just wondering. I'm glad to see more rescues do house visits. We always do. More should.. Another question - Did they provide veterinary references? And, were they checked? And, were all their babies S/N'd, vaccinated, licensed? That would be a MAJOR factor to consider And, does this rescue have an adoption contract? Specifically, mandating that if anything comes up, the animal is returned to that shelter only. Being in rescue volunteering for a shelter so long, there are so many things to consider. However, if the home was clean, ALL animals vetted properly being taken care of, it might be ok. IF you mandate the animal's return to you upon ANY instanceand check vet references. And, I would have to consider the neighborhood. There's just too many people out there that will complain about anything!! (Know that only too well...) Best of luck.. Please fill us in w/ results. Hugs, Patti her gang ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world: Indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
RE: any other catfood suggestions--for Patti
I'll say it again, Pattiyou are such an inspiration to me! hugs, Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 4:08 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: any other catfood suggestions In a message dated 3/15/07 9:01:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: (and there are quite a few people who are very poor and yet share a tremendous amount with their pets) That would definitely be me, especially since my MVA. ( I was on SSDI PRIOR to MVA, NO insurance, now faced w/ over $200,000 + [ever growing] medical expenses... Having said that, my furbabies still come first And, since coming home I've been faced with - 1) Cornelius's passing - very suddenly unexpected 2) Puma's illness[es] - diagnosed with both toxo [dry] FIP 3) Black Bart, a feral who NEVER trusted me. [And it was Charity, another feral, who led me to him ] And, finally he put his trust in meJust sadly too late. And dear Charity, is no longer an outside feral. In fact, w/ me she's a love muffin! Downside, I am the only human she trusts In my home, in a large crate 'til I get her to vetThank heavens I had her spayed when I trapped her, but her constant, close contact w/ Bart does have me concerned. Just another vet bill - which ALWAYS gets paid!] Needless to say, it was too late for poor old Bart.[severely anemic, old, thin but VERY bloated, lots of fluid, probably the most classic case of [wet] FIP I've ever seen], and doing rescue almost my entire life, I have seen too much. And still intact. And 4) - my precious fish, won't even get into that - but I did lose my Fred... However, I always made a point to get these babies to vet [$$$]. Even w/ Rescue Rates it has been awfully expensive, be it exams, [including BW ongoing meds/treatments - Puma] or euthanasia (Bart) cremation -[Cornelius and Bart] - no room in freezer, poor Fred's STILL there! And, yes, I do feed them expensive dry food..(Always did, always will..) That being said, I will confess, I DO feed Friskies wet. And my dear, ancient Puma does get his Fancy Feast whenever he desires. Which is at least 4+ X a day He's ancient I feel he deserves whatever he wants.. And, not to get completely OT, but I cook for my (4) dogs! Yes, they DO get dry, but living w/ a dog w/ food allergies is certainly a challenge, to put it mildly. Only upside is it's ok. [I'm a vegan have a veg dog!!! Probably not too many people can attest to that!] Natural Balance Only Natural Pet have some GREAT food. Dog Cat. Sorry I went OT rambled, but being housebound, I don't get out much.. Hugs to all, Patti her gang http://cdn-cf.aol.com/se/clip_art/gstres/anmls/cat _ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com http://www.aol.com?ncid=AOLAOF0002000339 . IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers' particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
RE: Bart-for Patti
Dear Patti I have absolutely no doubt at all that smart, compassionate little Charity led you to Bart. Your email brought tears to my eyes. I am glad tho, so glad, that Bart did not pass alone, had you, loving and caring for him, by his side. KNEW at least at the end of his life that he was loved. Can't let them down. I'm all they have,,, And, they are my world. Makes me want to go home right now and give all of mine an extra cuddle. I am very thankful to be a part of this group. I for one am very thankful *you're* part of this group Patti! Thanks a million for being who you are and doing all you do for all the lost little souls that find their way to you, hugs, Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 4:49 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Bart Thank you all so very much for your thoughts, concerns and prayers for Bart and me. After I sent that post about my feral friend, (around 3:00 AM, EST ), I DID go out to barn struggled (very hard ) to get him in a large crate and into secluded area of house I hated having to lift him, he was so painful, but I couldn't stand the thought of him being so sick inside the barn, no matter how well I thought I had insulated it.. The sad news is, I did have Bart PTS. I was with him when he crossed the bridge, able to snuggle kiss him. How strange is that??? He was certainly,well probably, the most feral cat I ever came across in all my years And, very, very savvy. Never could trap him over the past two years. (I even got info. from Nina on an alternative method.) I honestly believe that because I had earned their trust, Charity led me to him in the blizzard She knew he needed help, so she turned to me. Even when I had my Rottie (who does like cats, just freaked over a strange one in her territory), out on leash.. The way Ladybug re-acted scared the bejesus out of me, but Charity would not give up..When I look back, I am so very thankful that none of us got hurt - (me - falling, Bug [born deaf], getting off leash Charity not being challenged by my very large, very territorial, Rottie). I am also very thankful I was allowed to get both Charity Bart into my care. At the vets this AM, Bart was so good.. Scared, of course, but he kept looking at me and I just knew He had an abdomen so very full of fluid. Unbelievable. The vet did pull out alot, but I finally asked him to stop. Besides the fluid in his belly, Bart's gums were almost white.NOT a good sign. And, he had quite a few abscessed teeth, and was already missing quite a few.. His vision was also questionable.. My poor boy was also in so much pain. He wanted to lay down, but just couldn't on that cold, stainless steel table. Broke my heart.. Had a conversation w/ vet about the possibilities of Bart recovering... He explained that although it was almost a textbook case of wet FIP (which would mean regular draining), he also was most assuredly very anemic. Epogen, transfusions. Also, he explained it could be, lymphosarcoma, cardio-vascular, liver, kidneys - I'm sure you all get the picture. His prognosis was very poor, with NO guarantees. I just remembered the promise I have made to ALL my babies, so I made the dreaded decision.. My dear vet gave him a tranquilizer prior to the euthanasia solution, and Bart just seemed to pass peacefully, as I stroked him kissed his (big ole) head.. Not a good day.. I HATE having to play God.. And, you know, it hurts me just as much when it's a feral/stray.. Just absolutely heartbreaking. No other words can explain it... Well, it's feeding time at Patti's Zoo, and the rest of my charges are counting on me. Can't let them down. I'm all they have,,, And, they are my world. As soon as I am done, I will e-mail Belinda to add Bart to next CLS. I will also try to e-mail those of you who I have corresponded with off list. Just, please forgive me if I don't get to it tonight You are the most wonderful, supportive, loving group of folks out there.. I am very thankful to be a part of this group. Really. Hugs, http://cdn-cf.aol.com/se/clip_art/peeps-emt/love/clips/clip2-love2 (A Very Sad) Patti her clan http://cdn-cf.aol.com/se/clip_art/gstres/anmls/cat IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP
RE: Bart-for Patti
Patti, I just read about you and Bart and his trip to the vet's this morning. I am so very sorry that he had to cross. You are very brave to do that for him. Thank you for taking the wonderful care of him that you did. :) Wendy --- MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Patti I have absolutely no doubt at all that smart, compassionate little Charity led you to Bart. Your email brought tears to my eyes. I am glad tho, so glad, that Bart did not pass alone, had you, loving and caring for him, by his side. KNEW at least at the end of his life that he was loved. Can't let them down. I'm all they have,,, And, they are my world. Makes me want to go home right now and give all of mine an extra cuddle. I am very thankful to be a part of this group. I for one am very thankful *you're* part of this group Patti! Thanks a million for being who you are and doing all you do for all the lost little souls that find their way to you, hugs, Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 4:49 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Bart Thank you all so very much for your thoughts, concerns and prayers for Bart and me. After I sent that post about my feral friend, (around 3:00 AM, EST ), I DID go out to barn struggled (very hard ) to get him in a large crate and into secluded area of house I hated having to lift him, he was so painful, but I couldn't stand the thought of him being so sick inside the barn, no matter how well I thought I had insulated it.. The sad news is, I did have Bart PTS. I was with him when he crossed the bridge, able to snuggle kiss him. How strange is that??? He was certainly,well probably, the most feral cat I ever came across in all my years And, very, very savvy. Never could trap him over the past two years. (I even got info. from Nina on an alternative method.) I honestly believe that because I had earned their trust, Charity led me to him in the blizzard She knew he needed help, so she turned to me. Even when I had my Rottie (who does like cats, just freaked over a strange one in her territory), out on leash.. The way Ladybug re-acted scared the bejesus out of me, but Charity would not give up..When I look back, I am so very thankful that none of us got hurt - (me - falling, Bug [born deaf], getting off leash Charity not being challenged by my very large, very territorial, Rottie). I am also very thankful I was allowed to get both Charity Bart into my care. At the vets this AM, Bart was so good.. Scared, of course, but he kept looking at me and I just knew He had an abdomen so very full of fluid. Unbelievable. The vet did pull out alot, but I finally asked him to stop. Besides the fluid in his belly, Bart's gums were almost white.NOT a good sign. And, he had quite a few abscessed teeth, and was already missing quite a few.. His vision was also questionable.. My poor boy was also in so much pain. He wanted to lay down, but just couldn't on that cold, stainless steel table. Broke my heart.. Had a conversation w/ vet about the possibilities of Bart recovering... He explained that although it was almost a textbook case of wet FIP (which would mean regular draining), he also was most assuredly very anemic. Epogen, transfusions. Also, he explained it could be, lymphosarcoma, cardio-vascular, liver, kidneys - I'm sure you all get the picture. His prognosis was very poor, with NO guarantees. I just remembered the promise I have made to ALL my babies, so I made the dreaded decision.. My dear vet gave him a tranquilizer prior to the euthanasia solution, and Bart just seemed to pass peacefully, as I stroked him kissed his (big ole) head.. Not a good day.. I HATE having to play God.. And, you know, it hurts me just as much when it's a feral/stray.. Just absolutely heartbreaking. No other words can explain it... Well, it's feeding time at Patti's Zoo, and the rest of my charges are counting on me. Can't let them down. I'm all they have,,, And, they are my world. As soon as I am done, I will e-mail Belinda to add Bart to next CLS. I will also try to e-mail those of you who I have corresponded with off list. Just, please forgive me if I don't get to it tonight You are the most wonderful, supportive, loving group of folks out there.. I am very thankful to be a part of this group. Really. Hugs, http://cdn-cf.aol.com/se/clip_art/peeps-emt/love/clips/clip2-love2 (A Very Sad) Patti her clan http://cdn-cf.aol.com/se/clip_art/gstres/anmls/cat IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP
Re:Bart-for Patti
Patti, I'm so sorry to hear about Bart. He was so very lucky to have you. Renee
To Patti
Dear Patti I'm so sorry to hear about your Fred. I know how much you loved him. Y'know, it doesn't matter what the species is---we form strong attachments. I see no reason why Belinda wouldn't put your sweet Fred on the CLS list. He was a much-loved little fish and you will sorely miss him. It will comfort you to see his name on the CLS--I know it's always meant a HUGE amount to me, and has been so comforting, to see my little souls commemorated on the list, and know they are remembered there, no matter what. big hugs, Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 6:02 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Bandit: toxoplasmosis In a message dated 2/1/07 2:01:52 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Patti, If he is doing so much better, I think it is likely that he has toxo and not fip. It can be very hard to tell fip from toxo-- toxo can cause pretty much all the symptoms and lab work of fip. but it can be cured with clindamycin, and they are supposed to start feeling better within 3 days. How much pred is he on? Michelle Michelle- My Puma is on 5 mg. pred. 2X daily (I sent you an individual e-mail on my Puma...did you get it? I am NOT happy w/ AOL!!! Another L-O-N-G story.I 've been on AOL foreverl...and it's getting so much worse - http://cdn-cf.aol.com/se/clip_art/gstres/badday/devil-waving .Maybe it's just me... http://cdn-cf.aol.com/se/clip_art/gstres/thghts/angry-punctuation ) Anyway, for an old boy. his recovery has been totally amazing.. When I got the diagnosis, the FIP really made me think, having dealt with it before, sadlySo, I NEVER questioned it having lost 2 of my boys before (confirmed thru necropsies). I just felt guilty 'cause I did not get my personal clan tested at the time.. And, Dusty Oden NEVER showed symptoms, they just died, as if it was a heart attack. Dusty was old, a rescued street cat from Baltimore, so we had NO history But Oden was just 2, and I had him since a bottle baby...Never sick, he just dropped dead, suddenly. Freaked me out, BIG TIME! So I figured the FIP was gotten from my fosters.. But, since Puma has been on clindo pred. his recovery is amazing!! I pray it was only toxo.. But, at his age (ancient), I thought if it was FIP too.well... You have given me inspiration, which I really need now. ( I just lost Fred, my cannibalistic gold fish, so today has been a B-A-D day. I loved that fish, despite his faults - Wouldn't even put him in outside pond, he really gave me such pleasure..) Now I wonder that if I had put him in pond, well, maybe he'd still be alive.. He ate all his aquarium buddies, maybe he was lonely being solo in tank... (I have been wondering if Belinda can add him to next CLS - I've seen dogs, but a fish? He was special..) Anyway, thanks so much for your inspiration, I really needed that. How is your sweet Lucy doing? And, yes, she is in my prayers every night. I also believe in the power of prayer, just wish I didn't have SO many people praying for me after MVA.. I am going to also send this to your personal e-mail, please, please, please, let me know you've recv'd. it... http://cdn-cf.aol.com/se/clip_art/peeps-emt/love/clips/clip2-love2 , Patti (and her clan) http://cdn-cf.aol.com/se/clip_art/gstres/anmls/cat IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
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furred or feathered, finned or fanged, they are all our companions and parts of our families. GLOW to guide fred home--may he find a pond of his own to rule over at the bridge... -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
you're a star Patti
Title: Message I was "fortunate enough" to be able to get in to see a Dr. Monday morning, who WILL write scripts AND the referal for Bone Dr. I see Monday afternoon. Dear Patti, "Apologies?" Huh? You gotta be kidding. My God, you're a total star, you know that, don't you. You're able in spite of all your challenges toappreciate the "ups" when they happen. (Youmake me think of my dad-he has the same great attitude.) Hope you've had some sleep by now. I also hate to think of you trying to get to all your email, and ending up at the PC for hours, and falling asleep/off your chair. I for one love hearing from you---but this is not about me/us, it's about you, so I have to say this--plase Patti, give yourself all the rest and breaks you need---like everyone else has been saying, we'll always be here for you. (But please just check in enough so we know how you are!) I'm sure I'm not alone in being absolutely amazed at how much you're doing given the beating up your poor bod and brain have taken--you've got such incredible spirit. (I can tell you now that my emails would be so full of "woe is me" that my friends would be doing the cyber equivalent of crossing the street when they saw me coming.) Like someone else said (Phaewryn?) please force (good) calories into you. From my own past experience, I imagine the depression is largely the source of your appetite loss and insomnia. That weight will sure fall off faster than a catguzzling a plate of creamif you're not eating. Thanks for the mailing address---worry not, Box 244 will be writ large and card will be mush-free! I know exactly what you're talking about. Here it's the zip code. Even when the rest of the address is as plain and accurate and full as could be--if the zip is "off', back it goes (Aside: When I first came here to U.S., I was so friggin miserable in my horrible job that i used to spend my lunch hour browsing the humorous section of the greetings cards in the local book store just to cheer myself up(hey, whatever it takes). It largely worked, for those few brief moments anyway, but i used to be awfully puzzled by one card: on the front, Happy 50th Birthday, with scary-looking woman in curlers (rollers?), cigarette hanging from lips. Inside, caption: Hey, it could be worse, you could be working at the Post Office. Being a Brit, I didn't get it. (Our PO is--or was, at any rate, ahem, a little different) Now, I do! Oh yes, I definitely do. If you'll excuse me, I now have to go find a card for a precious friend in Codorus--till later, much love and big, big hugs, Kerryxxx -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2006 6:16 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Apologies Dear Group. (Especially Take Note Nina Kerry), I am so sorry that I have not participated much lately. Things seem to be getting more difficult, if you can imagine that! In fact, I "thought", well "tried to send not one, but two e-mails last night, only to discover that apparently they never went anywhere(Probably happened when I fell off chair last night, or I should say morning cause I was at PC for hours! Insomnia..what can I say about that, other than...I HATE IT!!!) You have all been so very kind with your thoughts and prayers. This is DEFINITE:LY the best group out there! (As Michelle wrote in an earlier e-mail...See? Parts of my memoryis drifting back. S-L-O-W-L-Y. Too slowly for me anyhow, but they say, "Patience is a virtue". and apparently I am NOT blessed with that virtue.) Anyway, I found out while going thru the TONS of mail waiting for me, that what was not covered by "exhausted" auto insurance WAS picked up by state.(Which makes NO sense, since I have been on SSDI and was told my monthly income was too large (ha!ha!) for state coverage).But, hey, I am not complaining - YET!! I also found out that Medic-Aid has 3 programs available in this state, and, since I was in hospital at time, did not get to choose the one I wanted, so they put me in one.(The one that MOST of my specialists do not participate in!!) I had a couple of Dr. appts. this week, and news is NOT great. (Suppose it could be worse though). My spleen was ruptured at time of accident. Then, repaired supposedly. Probably was, but I have been "trying" to do too much. Anyway, I have lost MORE weight. Not a good thing when I was a size 5, and, now size 3's slide right off. (Hell, I lost TWO pounds overnight!) I also have been having intense, sharp, pains on left side, could be that area. I am NOT hungry, in fact, I usually feel "full". It's a chore to eat. They had me on some "stomach medicine" (what nurses told me in hosp)., and when I asked, they said it was for acid reflux, heartburn, the like. Nev
Re: Patti could use your prayers
Patti dearest, just want to let you know i sent you an email off-list last night, and will add another little off-list one tonight. (Nina let me know later that you don't necessarily see all your off-list email, so thought I'd better mention it.) I'm even sorrier now to hear that allthis terrible stuff happened--as Nina told me last night--over 2 months ago, on May 15. Two months ago! You poor darling. I just hate the idea of you going through all that awfulness and none of us knowing and being able to lend our support. I wish we all lived physically nearer you (and each other)! much love and big hugs to you, dear Patti, Kerryx
Re: Patti could use your prayers
Good to see you back Patti. I hope the memory thing works its way out (or back in) very soon. It must be very frustrating. I'm glad you are starting to feel better.tonya[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all! Guess I overdid my computer time yesterday cause my one (still good) eye gave out. What a bummer! Well, that's life right now for me. I just found out where I was right before the accident. ON A RECUE!!! Thank heavens there were no kitties with me. Still not sure exactly what I was doing,but I did find out that apparently I had not slept the night before, guess I fell asleep. My heavens, I don't want to know anything else. I did find out that there were no other vehicles (except a parked bus I rammed into) or people involved! What a relief... I was the only person involved. My Mom just called. She was on her way to visit got lost. I am so upset. I could not remember the directions to my house. And she was only a few miles away! I HATE THIS MEMORY THINGY...or lack of. Thanks again for all the kind words and putting up with my venting... Love to you all, Patti
To Patti re. people purposefully hitting animals on road
Hey Patti, For $25 a year, I have a subscription to PublicData.com, and anytime I see something like this, I am able to plug in license plate numbers and get a name and address. I have used this to send a couple of letters to the parents of crazy teenagers on motorcycles popping wheelies on the freeway, or doing something else dumb in their cars. The police won't do anything, but it makes me feel better to at least alert the parents to what their kids are up to. I also used this site to look up a guy who was on parole and 'patrolling' our neighborhood. I haven't seen him since the police ran him out of our neighborhood. Crazy, but effective sometimes. :) Wendy --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michelle, What a wonderful thing you did for that poor little creature! And, I totally agree, the vets should be ashamed of themselves...I mean, don't they take the same oath as people Dr.s to save all? Out here in the country, we are loaded with rednecks hooligans that will purposely run over, sometimes even veering OFF the road, whatever living creature is in their path. One time I got a license number of some guy who purposely hit an animal, and when I called the police here, they wouldn't do a damn thing! I was just telling Nina today about the baby (wild) rabbit I took in before my accident. After talking more to Dennis this PM, I found out that it's mother was dead and so I took it in nursed it... Of course, it grew and was MUCH better while I was hospitalized so Dennis released it. Now, every time I see a bunny in my yard I wonder Is that MY baby? I am so glad I did intervene though. And, the rehabs would not touch a small baby Prayers for the groundhog, Lucy Gunnar. Hugs, Patti __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Patti could use your prayers
Hi all! Guess I overdid my computer time yesterday cause my one (still good) eye gave out. What a bummer! Well, that's life right now for me. I just found out where I was right before the accident. ON A RECUE!!! Thank heavens there were no kitties with me. Still not sure exactly what I was doing,but I did find out that apparently I had not slept the night before, guess I fell asleep. My heavens, I don't want to know anything else. I did find out that there were no other vehicles (except a parked bus I rammed into) or people involved! What a relief... I was the only person involved. My Mom just called. She was on her way to visit got lost. I am so upset. I could not remember the directions to my house. And she was only a few miles away! I HATE THIS MEMORY THINGY...or lack of. Thanks again for all the kind words and putting up with my venting... Love to you all, Patti
Re: Patti could use your prayers
Dear Group, First off, my sincere condolences to all of you that have lost one of your beloved kitties.(I can only browse thru all the e-mails so I apologize for not being able to send my sympathy separately). Next, I also am praying for all the babies who are presently having problems. Illness in a loved one is horrendous. I came home to find my Puma, 17 and negative, not doing well. Is it his age? I don't know. He is still eating, drinking and doing all the "normal" things, but he is different. Very vocal, but don't know why. I am going to make a vet appt. and hopefully my mother can take us. (It is pure hell depending on others for transportation...) Also have a house full of fleas. And one cat VERY allergic. Got out the Frontline but I am clueless where/what to do next. Now on to me. Thank ALL of you for your thoughts, prayers and e-cards. Really meant a lot. (Thank you Nina) As Nina told you, I was in a horrible car accident May 17. Just found out more details that are very unsettling. Like being pronounced dead then the EMTs bringing me "back". I was in a coma. Still not sure just how long. But, seeing all my Dr.s, they are stunned/shocked at the fact I am alive doing this much. Which to me, is NOT much. However, I am home. Which is good. Hospitals are depressing. I kind of "faked" my way out. Don't know how, but I really thought I needed to be home. My critters needed me. No, actually, I needed them. They are glad to see me. Well, the dogs, especially my Lucy, are not quite as forgiving for my abscense. However, I think Lucy was afraid that I was not coming back she would end up in a shelter. That's what happened to her when her first and only (other) guardian died. Belinda, the cats are fantastic. I am just sorry I can't pick them up. Hell, my Maine Coons weigh over 20 lbs.! And my little shadow, Daisy, is barely 8 lbs. and I can't even pick her up. I do think they understand though. Really. My ferals have left and I am heartbroken. My roommate did take care of all my personal guys, but did not put food out for hem. They were still here for a good while he said, but I have not seen them since I am home. And, I can not go out to barn area, so that really has me upset. I pray they are ok. Thank heavens they are all spayed/neutered. Except for Black Bart, Timmy's dad. That cat is mean as all get out and smarter than anything. He will NOT get into a trap. One of my friends offered to get him, but I don't know where he is. My broken bones have healed, but I have extreme nerve damage. And, according to Dr., it is due to intense injury to my brain. Lovely. And, I do not see the neurologist until Aug. 28. All my expenses were covered under my auto insurance, but they called me yesterday to tell me the limit had been reached. Good heavens, it was a hefty amount. So now I guess I have to go on state coverage cause I am presently (already from other problems) on SSDI. No fun, no fun at all. Live each day as if it's your last. One never knows, how true. Don't mean to be such a downer. Sorry about that. Guess I best stop now. Love to all, Patti
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Patti you could never be a downer to any of us here.You are a very important part of this group.I will keep you in my prayers. Sherry[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Group, First off, my sincere condolences to all of you that have lost one of your beloved kitties.(I can only browse thru all the e-mails so I apologize for not being able to send my sympathy separately). Next, I also am praying for all the babies who are presently having problems. Illness in a loved one is horrendous. I came home to find my Puma, 17 and negative, not doing well. Is it his age? I don't know. He is still eating, drinking and doing all the "normal" things, but he is different. Very vocal, but don't know why. I am going to make a vet appt. and hopefully my mother can take us. (It is pure hell depending on others for transportation...) Also have a house full of fleas. And one cat VERY allergic. Got out the Frontline but I am clueless where/what to do next. Now on to me. Thank ALL of you for your thoughts, prayers and e-cards. Really meant a lot. (Thank you Nina) As Nina told you, I was in a horrible car accident May 17. Just found out more details that are very unsettling. Like being pronounced dead then the EMTs bringing me "back". I was in a coma. Still not sure just how long. But, seeing all my Dr.s, they are stunned/shocked at the fact I am alive doing this much. Which to me, is NOT much. However, I am home. Which is good. Hospitals are depressing. I kind of "faked" my way out. Don't know how, but I really thought I needed to be home. My critters needed me. No, actually, I needed them. They are glad to see me. Well, the dogs, especially my Lucy, are not quite as forgiving for my abscense. However, I think Lucy was afraid that I was not coming back she would end up in a shelter. That's what happened to her when her first and only (other) guardian died. Belinda, the cats are fantastic. I am just sorry I can't pick them up. Hell, my Maine Coons weigh over 20 lbs.! And my little shadow, Daisy, is barely 8 lbs. and I can't even pick her up. I do think they understand though. Really. My ferals have left and I am heartbroken. My roommate did take care of all my personal guys, but did not put food out for hem. They were still here for a good while he said, but I have not seen them since I am home. And, I can not go out to barn area, so that really has me upset. I pray they are ok. Thank heavens they are all spayed/neutered. Except for Black Bart, Timmy's dad. That cat is mean as all get out and smarter than anything. He will NOT get into a trap. One of my friends offered to get him, but I don't know where he is. My broken bones have healed, but I have extreme nerve damage. And, according to Dr., it is due to intense injury to my brain. Lovely. And, I do not see the neurologist until Aug. 28. All my expenses were covered under my auto insurance, but they called me yesterday to tell me the limit had been reached. Good heavens, it was a hefty amount. So now I guess I have to go on state coverage cause I am presently (already from other problems) on SSDI. No fun, no fun at all. Live each day as if it's your last. One never knows, how true. Don't mean to be such a downer. Sorry about that. Guess I best stop now. Love to all, Patti Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less.
RE: Patti could use your prayers
Patti, You are anything but a downer Youre an inspiration to us all. And even if you cant physically pick up all the critters, I know they are SO happy to have you home! And we are all so happy to have you back!!! Welcome Home! Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 7:05 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Patti could use your prayers Dear Group, First off, my sincere condolences to all of you that have lost one of your beloved kitties.(I can only browse thru all the e-mails so I apologize for not being able to send my sympathy separately). Next, I also am praying for all the babies who are presently having problems. Illness in a loved one is horrendous. I came home to find my Puma, 17 and negative, not doing well. Is it his age? I don't know. He is still eating, drinking and doing all the normal things, but he is different. Very vocal, but don't know why. I am going to make a vet appt. and hopefully my mother can take us. (It is pure hell depending on others for transportation...) Also have a house full of fleas. And one cat VERY allergic. Got out the Frontline but I am clueless where/what to do next. Now on to me. Thank ALL of you for your thoughts, prayers and e-cards. Really meant a lot. (Thank you Nina) As Nina told you, I was in a horrible car accident May 17. Just found out more details that are very unsettling. Like being pronounced dead then the EMTs bringing me back. I was in a coma. Still not sure just how long. But, seeing all my Dr.s, they are stunned/shocked at the fact I am alive doing this much. Which to me, is NOT much. However, I am home. Which is good. Hospitals are depressing. I kind of faked my way out. Don't know how, but I really thought I needed to be home. My critters needed me. No, actually, I needed them. They are glad to see me. Well, the dogs, especially my Lucy, are not quite as forgiving for my abscense. However, I think Lucy was afraid that I was not coming back she would end up in a shelter. That's what happened to her when her first and only (other) guardian died. Belinda, the cats are fantastic. I am just sorry I can't pick them up. Hell, my Maine Coons weigh over 20 lbs.! And my little shadow, Daisy, is barely 8 lbs. and I can't even pick her up. I do think they understand though. Really. My ferals have left and I am heartbroken. My roommate did take care of all my personal guys, but did not put food out for hem. They were still here for a good while he said, but I have not seen them since I am home. And, I can not go out to barn area, so that really has me upset. I pray they are ok. Thank heavens they are all spayed/neutered. Except for Black Bart, Timmy's dad. That cat is mean as all get out and smarter than anything. He will NOT get into a trap. One of my friends offered to get him, but I don't know where he is. My broken bones have healed, but I have extreme nerve damage. And, according to Dr., it is due to intense injury to my brain. Lovely. And, I do not see the neurologist until Aug. 28. All my expenses were covered under my auto insurance, but they called me yesterday to tell me the limit had been reached. Good heavens, it was a hefty amount. So now I guess I have to go on state coverage cause I am presently (already from other problems) on SSDI. No fun, no fun at all. Live each day as if it's your last. One never knows, how true. Don't mean to be such a downer. Sorry about that. Guess I best stop now. Love to all, Patti
Re: Patti could use your prayers
Patti, I don't know you as I am new to the group, but you are in my prayers.Gina Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello group,I got the following email from Patti this morning. I had hoped that she was busy with other things and was just not in touch. I was able to speak to her on the phone and she's in really rough shape. She was in a terrible car accident. She was in a coma, but because of her brain injuries is having a hard time remembering things, so she couldn't tell me for how long. She said she can remember her current pets and things from 20 years ago, but she can't remember other pets she has lost. They are hoping her memory will return as she heals. She's lost her front teeth, her right cheek was crushed, broken ribs, brain and spinal injuries, loss of memory, numbness on the left side of her body and so much pain! She sure could use your good thoughts and prayers. She's having a hard time reading the posts because of her vision, but she did see my post asking about her. She kept repeating how you just never know what each day will bring. To add to her troubles, her ex-husband died of a heart attack while she was in the coma. I asked her if it would be okay to let everyone know what she's going through and she welcomed your prayers for her recovery. It's so true. You just never know...Blessings to everyone, please keep safe,Nina[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Nina, I had a car accident May 17 and was near death. Bad brain injury spinal probs. Just got home from hosp. I am not doing as I though. My vision is damaged too. I really am lucky to be here. (?) I was not able to rad all mail.. Sorry. Hope all is well with you. SSay a prayer for mr. I need it. Love, PattiNo heaven wil not ever Heaven be Unless my cats are there to welcome me.--epitaph in a pet cemetery Tiggertales ~ a site about our beloved felines Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free.
Patti
I am so sorry to hear about your terrible accident,I have you in my thoughts and prayers for a full and speedyrecovery. You are one of the firstof many wonderfulpeople to welcome me to this group.I have kept one of your messages to me about Maizee,it made me feel a little better about everything that I had done for my sweet girl.I thank you and everyone here for that.God bless you. Sherry Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail Beta.
Patti
Patti, I'm so sorry about your accident! You are so very lucky to be here and overcome your obstacles at this point. God has a purpose for you and he knows your a fighter for life. I don't know what I can offer to help you, since I'm not in the position as well after having major surgery a few days ago. (reconstructive foot surgery) My time is limited on how long I use the internet having problems sitting still and it hurts like hell. Normally, I can withstand pain but not on this one. Pain meds aren't really helping either. Believe me, if we are within distance as a group/family please do let us know if there is anything we can do to help you. I have always said this was my other family this being such a caring and loving bunch of people. You have always been there in the time of need when I needed it. Don't be afraid to ask us if there is anything we can do to help you. Your in my thoughts and prayers! If you need to talk please feel free to call me...I'm here for you! My herd of 12sends their headbutts and love to you! Terrie Mohr-Forker (425) 344-6933TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE COLLIE RESCUEOwner/DriverCheck sites for available Siameses for adoption!http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/Click Here to Join WASHINGTON SIAMESE RESCUE Yahoo Group!http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/SNOHOMISH_COUNTY_PETS_in_WAhttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlPetfinder.comAdopt a Homeless Pet!http://www.petfinder.com/http://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.petloss.com/TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTShttps://www.paypal.com/http://www.frappr.com/wasiameserescue
To Patti
I'm so sorry to hear about your accident and your ex-husband. I know you must be reeling from all this, so just know that we're out here praying for you. Hang in there girl! It will get better! :) Wendy --- Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello group, I got the following email from Patti this morning. I had hoped that she was busy with other things and was just not in touch. I was able to speak to her on the phone and she's in really rough shape. She was in a terrible car accident. She was in a coma, but because of her brain injuries is having a hard time remembering things, so she couldn't tell me for how long. She said she can remember her current pets and things from 20 years ago, but she can't remember other pets she has lost. They are hoping her memory will return as she heals. She's lost her front teeth, her right cheek was crushed, broken ribs, brain and spinal injuries, loss of memory, numbness on the left side of her body and so much pain! She sure could use your good thoughts and prayers. She's having a hard time reading the posts because of her vision, but she did see my post asking about her. She kept repeating how you just never know what each day will bring. To add to her troubles, her ex-husband died of a heart attack while she was in the coma. I asked her if it would be okay to let everyone know what she's going through and she welcomed your prayers for her recovery. It's so true. You just never know... Blessings to everyone, please keep safe, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Nina, I had a car accident May 17 and was near death. Bad brain injury spinal probs. Just got home from hosp. I am not doing as I though. My vision is damaged too. I really am lucky to be here. (?) I was not able to rad all mail.. Sorry. Hope all is well with you. SSay a prayer for mr. I need it. Love, Patti __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Patti could use your prayers
How terrible. Did you get her contact information to call and check on her. Does she have what she needs? I'm assuming she's on disability at this point... I would be happy to send a donation. I believe she lives with her daughter or her daughter lives with her?tNina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello group,I got the following email from Patti this morning. I had hoped that she was busy with other things and was just not in touch. I was able to speak to her on the phone and she's in really rough shape. She was in a terrible car accident. She was in a coma, but because of her brain injuries is having a hard time remembering things, so she couldn't tell me for how long. She said she can remember her current pets and things from 20 years ago, but she can't remember other pets she has lost. They are hoping her memory will return as she heals. She's lost her front teeth, her right cheek was crushed, broken ribs, brain and spinal injuries, loss of memory, numbness on the left side of her body and so much pain! She sure could use your good thoughts and prayers. She's having a hard time reading the posts because of her vision, but she did see my post asking about her. She kept repeating how you just never know what each day will bring. To add to her troubles, her ex-husband died of a heart attack while she was in the coma. I asked her if it would be okay to let everyone know what she's going through and she welcomed your prayers for her recovery. It's so true. You just never know...Blessings to everyone, please keep safe,Nina[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Nina, I had a car accident May 17 and was near death. Bad brain injury spinal probs. Just got home from hosp. I am not doing as I though. My vision is damaged too. I really am lucky to be here. (?) I was not able to rad all mail.. Sorry. Hope all is well with you. SSay a prayer for mr. I need it. Love, Patti
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I am so sorry. Sometimes it seems like the apocalypse is coming. Michelle
Patti could use your prayers
Hello group, I got the following email from Patti this morning. I had hoped that she was busy with other things and was just not in touch. I was able to speak to her on the phone and she's in really rough shape. She was in a terrible car accident. She was in a coma, but because of her brain injuries is having a hard time remembering things, so she couldn't tell me for how long. She said she can remember her current pets and things from 20 years ago, but she can't remember other pets she has lost. They are hoping her memory will return as she heals. She's lost her front teeth, her right cheek was crushed, broken ribs, brain and spinal injuries, loss of memory, numbness on the left side of her body and so much pain! She sure could use your good thoughts and prayers. She's having a hard time reading the posts because of her vision, but she did see my post asking about her. She kept repeating how you just never know what each day will bring. To add to her troubles, her ex-husband died of a heart attack while she was in the coma. I asked her if it would be okay to let everyone know what she's going through and she welcomed your prayers for her recovery. It's so true. You just never know... Blessings to everyone, please keep safe, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Nina, I had a car accident May 17 and was near death. Bad brain injury spinal probs. Just got home from hosp. I am not doing as I though. My vision is damaged too. I really am lucky to be here. (?) I was not able to rad all mail.. Sorry. Hope all is well with you. SSay a prayer for mr. I need it. Love, Patti
Re: Patti could use your prayers
Oh Nina, Is there anything we can do in addition to prayers?? Does she need anything we may be able to send her? Is there someone helping her care for her animals? Kat On Wed, 12 Jul 2006, Nina wrote: Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 11:38:28 -0700 From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Patti could use your prayers Hello group, I got the following email from Patti this morning. I had hoped that she was busy with other things and was just not in touch. I was able to speak to her on the phone and she's in really rough shape. She was in a terrible car accident. She was in a coma, but because of her brain injuries is having a hard time remembering things, so she couldn't tell me for how long. She said she can remember her current pets and things from 20 years ago, but she can't remember other pets she has lost. They are hoping her memory will return as she heals. She's lost her front teeth, her right cheek was crushed, broken ribs, brain and spinal injuries, loss of memory, numbness on the left side of her body and so much pain! She sure could use your good thoughts and prayers. She's having a hard time reading the posts because of her vision, but she did see my post asking about her. She kept repeating how you just never know what each day will bring. To add to her troubles, her ex-husband died of a heart attack while she was in the coma. I asked her if it would be okay to let everyone know what she's going through and she welcomed your prayers for her recovery. It's so true. You just never know... Blessings to everyone, please keep safe, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Nina, I had a car accident May 17 and was near death. Bad brain injury spinal probs. Just got home from hosp. I am not doing as I though. My vision is damaged too. I really am lucky to be here. (?) I was not able to rad all mail.. Sorry. Hope all is well with you. SSay a prayer for mr. I need it. Love, Patti
Re: Patti could use your prayers
I kept asking her if there was something I could do to help, make phone calls for her, or something. I didn't think about sending her things, that might be helpful. The medical bills, even if she has good insurance are going to be astronomical, I'm sure. I asked her who was taking care of her and the animals. She said her roommate has been helping. You know how it is when one of us caregivers are down, it's hard to accept limitations when our kids need us. I know she'll be trying to read the posts, so maybe she'll see your offer. The next time I call her, I'll ask her to get a list together of things we might be able to provide. I sure hope she lets us help her in any way we can. Nina Kat wrote: Oh Nina, Is there anything we can do in addition to prayers?? Does she need anything we may be able to send her? Is there someone helping her care for her animals? Kat
Has anyone heard from Patti?
Does anyone have a way of getting in touch with Patti, ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) from our list? The last time I heard from her was in May and I'm concerned about her. I emailed her off-list and she hasn't written me back. I know I gave her my phone number, but I never got hers. Does anyone have any news about her? Nina
Re: Has anyone heard from Patti?
Hi Nina, From our Frapper map (and a previous email I had saved), Patti lives in Codorus, PA (SoCenPa). This is all the info I have tho. Kat (Mew Jersey) On Tue, 11 Jul 2006, Nina wrote: Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 10:58:25 -0700 From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Has anyone heard from Patti? Does anyone have a way of getting in touch with Patti, ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) from our list? The last time I heard from her was in May and I'm concerned about her. I emailed her off-list and she hasn't written me back. I know I gave her my phone number, but I never got hers. Does anyone have any news about her? Nina
Re: Has anyone heard from Patti?
Thank you Kat! I don't know why I always forget about the frapper map. The reason I started to be concerned about Patti was when I wrote an off-list email to her about the Angel's gate petition, (problems with possible re-zoning), she never replied. I don't know why I hadn't thought of it before, but I just wrote Susan at Angel's Gate to ask her if she could contact Patti for me. There's also a phone number on the Angel's Gate website, but it's constantly busy. I'll keep trying. Thank you for kicking my brain in gear for the idea. Nina Kat wrote: Hi Nina, From our Frapper map (and a previous email I had saved), Patti lives in Codorus, PA (SoCenPa). This is all the info I have tho. Kat (Mew Jersey)
Re: Jen-- how is Ewok doing?--Patti
Thanks, Patti! I hope so too! But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. --Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, December 16, 2005 11:23 pm Subject: Re: Jen-- how is Ewok doing?--Another tumor Jen~ My thoughts and prayers are with you and Ewok. I was so saddened to hear the news regarding the tumor. I pray little Ewok will get some relief with new treatments pursued...Big hugs to both of you! Love, Patti
Re: sores in the mouth - Patti
Patti, Thank you for your advise with holistic remedies. I've printed it out and archived it. I'll be making a trip to the health food store to see if any of this might help Grace. Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Terri, From what I've read about these poor babies their mouth problems, it sounds that it could possibly be calici virus, which is quite common in kittens w/ compromised immune systems. The calici virus has been linked to a reaction from vaccinations, and Felv+/FIV+ kittens are most prone to develop the virus. How many vaccines have they rec'd., and when was most recent? Have you discussed this possibility w/ your vet? Sadly, most allopathic vets will just treat it as a type of gingivitis then prescribe prednisone or prednisolone which I find to be very frustrating, because it seems allopathic vets overprescribe pred as the magic cure all or fix it for anything they don't have a specific treatment plan for Another thing about the calici virus is that it is very painful and highly contagious, therefore it would not surprise me if that is what the diagnosis would be. There are many excellent homeopathic/holistic treatments for dealing w/ any type of mouth sores. (Those that are familiar w/ me know that I have a wonderful allopathic vet that works well w/ my holistic vet) Astragalus, a Chinese herb is available in many forms strengths. It is considered a tonic because of it's ability to nourish the blood, it is used widely for chronic immune deficencies, frequent infections and overall weakness. One of the BEST treatments is Anitra Frazier's /Healthy Mouth Formula,/which is published in her book,/*The New Natural Cat,* /is as follows: Mix together 1/4 cup spring or distilled water. 1/8 tspn. salt, 3 drops tincture of myrhh apply liberally to the gums once a day w/ a cotton swab. Myrrh is a /medicinal /herb that has great soothing healing properties and when used orally will greatly reduce the redness swelling, as well as soothe the pain. This is the treatment we used most frequently at the shelter for just about any oral irritation/infection, gingivitis, calici, stomatitis and even abscesses. There are two other /medicinal herbs/ that can be used either separately or in a combination formula. They are */Echinacea Goldenseal./* */Echinacea /*is an antiseptic antifungal herb and can be used either as a tincture/extract or tea. It is a fever reducer, blood purifier frequently used for abscesses. */Goldenseal/* used in the tea form is natural antibiotic antiseptic, a well known tonic for soothing all mucous membranes. It is a natural anti-inflammatory, and a well known fungicide in the holistic field of veterinary medicine. Holistic medicine uses it as an alternative to corticosteroids, as in, Say no to prednisone.(My */own /*personal view) Both */Goldenseal Echinacea/*, used in the tincture forms are excellent /natural/ treatments for ringworm. As I stated before, they can be used separately, or in a common combination. These two herbs are perhaps the ones we have used the most at the shelter. Another herb, */Slippery Elm, /*a /food/ herb, is most commonly used as an anti-inflammatory for the digestive tract, with symptoms of vomiting, ulcers and most commonly for diarrhea.(An excellent alternative to meds such as metronidazole.) It's most commonly used in the /syrup/ formula, but the powdered form can be sprinkled right in to the cat's food. We have had excellent results with this herb and do use it as an oral anti-inflammatory also. Supposedly, it has a /pleasant /taste to cats/*.*/ *//* Terri, there are many natural treatments available to help these poor babies with their mouth sores. Most importantly, first, */I/* would get a defnitive diagnosis as to exactly what the sores are. And since they are so young, and being Felv+, having already highly compromised immune systems, I would AVOID using any drug like prednisone on them, since it is my own personal opinion that pred just masks the actual cause therefore symptoms of*/ whatever issue/* being dealt with seem to just disappear.(As you can probably tell, I am NOT AT ALL FOND OF THE USE OF PREDNISONE, especially when there are */NATURAL plant forms of steroids available...)/* I wish you the best of luck with your little ones You have already suffered the loss of your other little ones. This is only my own, personal view on the subject, but when they are so young frail, I always put my faith in holistic medicine the power of prayers. I sincerely wish you and your little ones the best of luck, and will keep you all in my thoughts prayers. Hugs, Patti
Re: sores in the mouth - Patti
Nina, You're welcomeI hope you can find something holistic to help Grace... I am going to e-mail you off list anyway (in response to your touching e-mail about Felix Rescue.) I'll include some great books for referance and some of the best online holistic sources... Hugs, Patti
RE: CLS - for Patti
Title: Message Dear Patti You havebeen throughso much with your beloved cats--much, much more than me--thatI would never presume to persuade you not to do what you absolutely need to do for you. But I can't help hoping that when you've had time out for you, time to smell the roses, time to regain your energy, recharge the batteries, that maybe you will eventually reconsider. It's angels like you that restore faith in humanity when wedespair that-- to borrow the phrase of another listmember last week--the whole world has gone to hell in a handbasket. There are so few willing to work on behalf of needy animals that it would just be so sad for them to lose you too, especially when the reason for them losing you is someone who has caused them great harm. It's a double whammy for the cats---they suffer through this other person, and then they lose you too. But I understand that you are in a very difficult place right now. And you need to look after you, first and foremost--that goes without saying. Sudden, awfulthought---I hope you'll stay on the list?! You're such a very special person who has done so much for so many years for catsin need and I for one can't bear the thought of you going off-list. Just thinking about it brings tears to my eyes. Wish I could give you a big hug---so sending you zillions of cyberhugs instead. love and hugs, Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 12:44 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: CLS Belinda, Regretfully, will you add dear, sweet, little Ellen to the CLS as deceased. 8/24/05. She just "gave up" late yesterday, and all I could do was hold her in my arms thru the night, whispering reassurances to her that although all 1.3 lbs. of her put up such a brave, determined effort to "fight", it was okay for her to go to sleep and join the other fur-angels. She had earned her "wings". She passed, quietly in my arms during the early morning hours. I am completelydevastated with losing her. Such a sweet, tiny little baby, but she's struggled so hard to stay alive. She tried so hard, she had a determined spirit for such a frail baby. But she was just so small, so innocent. She just didn't have the strength to fight anymore, and it was heartbreaking to look in her eyes realize she'd just given up. For the short time she was with me, she definitely stole a big piece of my heart... What a cruel fate, such an awful death, for her all the others that died senselessly because of the irresponsibility of her "supposed" rescuer. Yes, they were "spared" the horror of the gas chamber, but for all these innocents to die such a "horrible" death due to the "transport from hell", I wonder which fate would have been the lesser of the two evils... The heartbreak of all this is also NOT knowing how many other innocents died from exposure to the still "UNKNOWN KILLER" of the transported cats, all due to the failure of the person doing the transport to be upfront honest with all of us involved. And also how many cats are STILL at risk because the while truth hasn't been told??? Also, her sheer DISREGARD for the lives of these babies by basically just cramming the 20+ cats into a small vehicle, UNVETTED WITH NO PAPERWORK from the shelter, mixing litters, crammed into carriers the cardboard "temporary" carriers, like sardines, without food, water or even a damn litterbox for the long ride , non-stop, from Georgia to Pa., on one of the hottest, most humid days,then to Ohio, then to N.Y., then finally back to HER home in Pa.(a 2 bedroom townhouse, in which she already is housing 50 (Yes, FIFTY!!!), of her own cats AND, as if things couldn't be any worse, this was her SECOND large transport from the SAME SHELTER in a two week period!! How in the hell could this be allowed to happen??? This woman is NOT A RESCUER, BUT A MURDEROUS COLLECTOR!!! I apologize for my harshness, I am NOT an evil person But I am over-ridden with grief guilt. If I had been able to think that afternoon, I should have called The Adams Co. SPCA to the scene, but I justdid not have my "wits" together..Regrets, I am having a VERY difficult time DEALING w/ the reality gravity of the horror! The SENSELESS loss of so many lives, the unknown number of other innocents that are now in danger. Right now, I would like to put this woman in the trunk of a small car on a hot, humid day, drive 600-700 miles, and then "toss" her in a gas chamber... I do not mean to offend anyone on this list. God knows, I love you all and you all have been such a wonderful, supportive, compassionate group of people, no doubt this list has always been my favorite due to the fact of the "closeness"
Re: CLS - for Patti
Patti, I'm so sorry to hear about sweet little Ellen, how absolutely horrible that these sweet little babies all perished because of the unthinking, uncaring actions of a would be rescuer. I'm praying for her 50 cats at home and for any more kitties that have the unfortune of ending up in a transport she is involved with. It may be a good idea to post the facts about the transport to any lists you belong to so anyone thinking of using her as one of their resources in the future can be aware of the horrible outcome of this run. Just state the facts clearly and unbaisedly as you know them so you can't be accused of slandering her. Anyone considering her services in the future should know that they may want to think twice about it. My deepest sympathies for all the heartache you have recently gone through, it certainly is a test of your strength, but please think about throwing in the towel. I'd hate to see the lady who so callously disregarded the lives of the animals in her care be the reason someone as wonderful and caring as you can no longer help those sweet innocents. She isn't worth all those lives that would not in the future be saved by you :) -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: CLS - for Patti
Patti, I am so sorry about Ellen. I am so glad that she had you in the end.Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Patti,I'm so sorry to hear about sweet little Ellen, how absolutely horrible that these sweet little babies all perished because of the unthinking, uncaring actions of a would be rescuer. I'm praying for her 50 cats at home and for any more kitties that have the unfortune of ending up in a transport she is involved with.It may be a good idea to post the facts about the transport to any lists you belong to so anyone thinking of using her as one of their resources in the future can be aware of the horrible outcome of this run. Just state the facts clearly and unbaisedly as you know them so you can't be accused of slandering her. Anyone considering her services in the future should know that they may want to think twice about it.My deepest sympathies for all the heartache you have recently gone through, it certainly is a test of your strength, but please think about throwing in the towel. I'd hate to see the lady who so callously disregarded the lives of the animals in her care be the reason someone as wonderful and caring as you can no longer help those sweet innocents.She isn't worth all those lives that would not in the future be saved by you :)-- BelindaHappiness is being owned by cats ...Be-Mi-Kitties ...http://www.bemikitties.comPost Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittenshttp://adopt.bemikitties.comFeLV Candle Light Servicehttp://www.bemikitties.com/clsHostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design)http://HostDesign4U.com---BMK Designs (non-profit web sites)http://bmk.bemikitties.com
RE: CLS - for Patti
Title: Message Patti, I am so sorry about your loss of Ellen and of course all the other cats whose lives ended tragically because of this woman. Please do post information about her so good hearted people will be warned about her and hopefully find people nearer who can help them. Take care, Joan -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan LoeschSent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 12:41 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: CLS - for Patti Patti, I am so sorry about Ellen. I am so glad that she had you in the end.Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Patti,I'm so sorry to hear about sweet little Ellen, how absolutely horrible that these sweet little babies all perished because of the unthinking, uncaring actions of a would be rescuer. I'm praying for her 50 cats at home and for any more kitties that have the unfortune of ending up in a transport she is involved with.It may be a good idea to post the facts about the transport to any lists you belong to so anyone thinking of using her as one of their resources in the future can be aware of the horrible outcome of this run. Just state the facts clearly and unbaisedly as you know them so you can't be accused of slandering her. Anyone considering her services in the future should know that they may want to think twice about it.My deepest sympathies for all the heartache you have recently gone through, it certainly is a test of your strength, but please think about throwing in the towel. I'd hate to see the lady who so callously disregarded the lives of the animals in her care be the reason someone as wonderful and caring as you can no longer help those sweet innocents.She isn't worth all those lives that would not in the future be saved by you :)-- BelindaHappiness is being owned by cats ...Be-Mi-Kitties ...http://www.bemikitties.comPost Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittenshttp://adopt.bemikitties.comFeLV Candle Light Servicehttp://www.bemikitties.com/clsHostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design)http://HostDesign4U.com---BMK Designs (non-profit web sites)http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: CLS - for Patti
Poor little one. I understand how you feel. Big hugs to you. Goodnight, sweet Ellen... =^..^= Terri, Salome', Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Sammi, and 5 furangels: RuthieGirl, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth and Alec =^..^= Furkid Photos! http://mysite.verizon.net/vze7sgqa/My FeLV Site: http://pages.ivillage.com/ruthiegirl1/MyFeLVinformationSite/My Personal Page: http://www.geocities.com/ruthiegirl1/terrispage.html?1083970447350 - Original Message - From: Belinda Sauro To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 10:01 AM Subject: Re: CLS - for Patti Patti, I'm so sorry to hear about sweet little Ellen, how absolutely horrible that these sweet little babies all perished because of the unthinking, uncaring actions of a would be rescuer. I'm praying for her 50 cats at home and for any more kitties that have the unfortune of ending up in a transport she is involved with.It may be a good idea to post the facts about the transport to any lists you belong to so anyone thinking of using her as one of their resources in the future can be aware of the horrible outcome of this run. Just state the facts clearly and unbaisedly as you know them so you can't be accused of slandering her. Anyone considering her services in the future should know that they may want to think twice about it.My deepest sympathies for all the heartache you have recently gone through, it certainly is a test of your strength, but please think about throwing in the towel. I'd hate to see the lady who so callously disregarded the lives of the animals in her care be the reason someone as wonderful and caring as you can no longer help those sweet innocents.She isn't worth all those lives that would not in the future be saved by you :)-- BelindaHappiness is being owned by cats ...Be-Mi-Kitties ...http://www.bemikitties.comPost Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittenshttp://adopt.bemikitties.comFeLV Candle Light Servicehttp://www.bemikitties.com/clsHostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design)http://HostDesign4U.com---BMK Designs (non-profit web sites)http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Patti, Felix and the heartache of rescue
Aww Patti, I was so very saddened to hear about your beloved Felix passing! I know how much you love him. You loved him enough to think of his welfare over your own feelings of loss. You put him first, because you knew he would be better off somewhere else. Such an unselfish thing to do. Now it must feel like you've lost him all over again. But of course, we know that's not true. Now he's free. Free to be healthy, whole, strong and young again. Free to be by your side. Oh, my heart aches for what you have been going through. You're one tough lady to dive back into rescue. I know all the little ones that need you, including those goldfish, are grateful that you've found the strength to do what you are called to do. Doesn't that tell you something, that even goldfish in need find their way to you? Bless you Patti, and thank you so much. Thank you for being brave enough to jump back into the fray. I know you'll be able to help Charity see that some humans are worthy of trust. Be patient, give her the time and space she needs. Please write me off-list if you want to brainstorm about her. When we have the opportunity to introduce these neglected angels to a life of love and safety, it's a blessing to us, as well as them. All they've ever know is rejection and fear and now she has you! She'll change your life, just wait and see. Such a sad story about the transport babies! I recently wrote the following to Gloria about her little Sunshine and the heartbreaks of rescue. The words seemed to come 'through' my heart, rather than merely 'from' it. Does that make sense? It's like the words had a source other than just me. I'm hoping it will bring you comfort too: Sometimes I wonder just how many tears one woman can shed. You know, usually I say it's the successes that keep me going. The ones that make it to wonderful forever homes, the ones that miraculously regain strength and health. But, you know what? The faces of the fragile little angels that come to me too late, the ones that seem so happy for the short time of being loved and cried over and cuddled, the ones that are so grateful for an afternoon lying in the peaceful sunshine... The ones that never stay long enough, but leave such an impression on my heart, those babies keep me going too. It's all about love and connection, the amount of time in love has nothing to do with the depth of our emotion and spiritual growth. These special souls sent to touch us, even if it's only a heartbeat of time, tell me to muster the strength to go on. I'm doing what I should be doing, and so are you. I'm praying for fragile little Ellen, Moonshade and Taylor to rebound and gain health and vigor. Bless you and all those in your care. Much love, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My heart goes out to all of you who have lost a furbaby. There have been too many names added to the list, so sad. I have not been very active in posting since I moved and I have had my hands full myself. But I have tried to keep up with reading posts. Belinda, Please add my Felix to the next CLS. I have been contacted by the hospice that he passed peacefully, apparently while sleeping.( I'm sorry to be so late with this, he passed July 2. (He was non-positive ~ CRF) Also, please add 2 little kittens that passed during/after a transport gone awry. Long story, but I intervened in a transport (HORROR!!) from a southern shelter and was presented w/ a small, female kitten, deceased en route 8/16. I had her cremated and gave her the name, Angel, as she was a furangel already. I also took four other kittens, and went immediately to vet. Sadly enough, Tyler passed 8/18, quite suddenly, we suspect distemper was the probable cause for the deaths from this transport... Ellen, the very sick kitten, (1.3 lbs., in this state it is illegal to release a kitten under 2 lbs.!!), is hanging on, but we are taking it day by day. But she tested neg. on first Felv test.. The other two kittens, Moonshade Taylor appear to be doing better, they have vet appt. tom'w. for thorough exam testing. Would you please add Felix, Angel Tyler to the next CLS? Also, add little Ellen, Taylor Moonshade to the prayer list??? Also, please add Charity, a non-pos feral mom I trapped (was dumped w/ her 2 kittens). She is non pos, as are her kittens, but please pray that my attempts to socialize her will be successful. And that I find good homes for her babies, Timothy Thomas, who have turned out to be little love-muffins. :) Thank you so much, and I am sorry this is so long, but like I said, I've had my hands full since my move. Once again, my prayers go out to all that have lost a beloved baby. In my heart I know we all will be reunited one day Hugs to all, Patti
