Re: Lucy very sick again
Baytril does help with URI's. It is very strong, though, and what gave Lucy the original diarrhea that started her IBD, so she can't get it. It works well, though. Michelle In a message dated 11/9/2006 7:59:17 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Does Baytrill help with an URI? I hope Lucy startsfeeling better soon.Cindy Reasoner
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At 03:46 PM 11/12/2006, you wrote: I habe had god luck with Baytril, just make sure the dosage is at a safe level not to causse eye problems. Most vets are aware of this and careful. Baytril saved Sammy my FIV cat, Kelly Baytril does help with URI's. It is very strong, though, and what gave Lucy the original diarrhea that started her IBD, so she can't get it. It works well, though. Michelle In a message dated 11/9/2006 7:59:17 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Does Baytrill help with an URI? I hope Lucy starts feeling better soon. Cindy Reasoner No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.3/530 - Release Date: 11/11/2006
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Thanks, Kerry. Lucy does seem a lot better, knock on wood, from the Immuno-regulin. Eating up a storm, in fact. Knock on wood again. So sorry to hear Inky had a backslide, but glad he is on the mend. What is polyflex? Michelle In a message dated 11/11/2006 8:18:27 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Michelle, I have been out of touch for a week or so again as Inky has been very sick,too..I posted what has happened with him. His kidneys are failing and with the IBD flare up, it has been a mess for him. He is doing better now, but will just have to keep his fluids and diet in check for both.. Anyway, I do hope Lucy is feeling better today and that it is just a little of the URI hanging on causing her a problem.. Did she get some polyflex? My vet always gives that injection for infections right away...Inky has also taken 100mg amoxicillin daily without a problem. 1/2 twice a day..I agree that the injections work better (faster)and they seem to tolerate that better, too.. You will continue to be in our prayers. Kerry, Bandy and Inky
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thanks Michelle, Polyflex is some sort of penicillin, I think. I just know my local vets and even if I go to the D/FW area, vets seem to give an injection of this for infection. It is long acting so can't be given daily, maybe every other day..They do this even before they put them on daily doses of baytril or some other antibiotic...They may have given some of mine in the past that had to be hospitalized for bad infections daily shots of it along with other meds.. I will tell my vet about the metronidazole...that seems to really help Inky and I think it is exactly what he needs..cause he has to keep eating and drinking alot to keep those kidneys flushed...I give him 1/4 of a 250mg pill once a day..so he gets 62.5. am I right there..?? I have given him 1/8 before, too...they are round so not so hard to cut. Inky had gained 1/4 pound, too..up to 5# 4 oz. That was a good thing since he is so thin..He has always been small, I guess around 71/2 to 8 in his younger days..The hyper-T doesn't help that, but his thyroid values were normal since he is on tapazole now.. Anyway, he is at the vets right now getting his last round of IV fluids and they will pull the catheter today around 5pm. He gets 20mls per hour this way and should be flushing those kidneys good...I sure hope...I am really afraid this is his fate now...he is really lucky to have good kidneys for this many years though...It always seems to be the fate of my older kitties..I have lost too many over the yrs to kidney failure...and I have learned to start my older ones on Hills k/d even before signs are there and it seems to have helped Inky.. Glad to hear Lucy is doing better... Thanks again, Kerry, Bandy and Inky Cheap Talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates.
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Michelle, I am not a vet, but I know URI's can affect the way cats eat. They can't small the food. Also the eye thing could be related to a URI. My vet has used zithromax to treat stubborn ones...it seems to work. May you both be blessed. Dede --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know she must seem like a yoyo or rollercoaster at this point, but please say prayers for Lucy. She has been extremely lethargic since yesterday and today only ate 1/2 a jar of baby food. She is a bit stuffed up and her nose is a little bubbly, so I am hoping it is just the cold she has not shaken. I have a vet aptmt tomorrow at 1 to get her an I-R shot. She had some blood on her bowels today too. I am hoping that she just has not shaken the cold and it is bothering her, and that the change to baby food and getting cold meds is just irritating her IBD. But she has some weird things, too. Like if I pet her head or kiss it in certain spots where I usually do, she closes one eye and keeps it closed for a while like something is wrong with it. About 1/2 hour ago she also pawed at her eye like it was hurting right after I pet her. It makes me worry there is something like a tumor in her head or something. Has anyone seen this symptom related to a cold, or to anything else? She came off clavamox after only 4 days due to it giving her bad diarrhea, but she seemed to recover except for a slight sniffle and occasional sneezes. Then she really backslid starting yesterday. No fever, and in fact her temp today was low for her-- 100.8-- though still in low normal range. Please send her prayers and energy, and let me know if any thoughts come to mind about what could be going on or what I should do. Thanks, Michelle When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com
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Has she been on Lysine? Prayers coming for Lucy... Gloria On Nov 8, 2006, at 11:48 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know she must seem like a yoyo or rollercoaster at this point, but please say prayers for Lucy. She has been extremely lethargic since yesterday and today only ate 1/2 a jar of baby food. She is a bit stuffed up and her nose is a little bubbly, so I am hoping it is just the cold she has not shaken. I have a vet aptmt tomorrow at 1 to get her an I-R shot. She had some blood on her bowels today too. I am hoping that she just has not shaken the cold and it is bothering her, and that the change to baby food and getting cold meds is just irritating her IBD. But she has some weird things, too. Like if I pet her head or kiss it in certain spots where I usually do, she closes one eye and keeps it closed for a while like something is wrong with it. About 1/2 hour ago she also pawed at her eye like it was hurting right after I pet her. It makes me worry there is something like a tumor in her head or something. Has anyone seen this symptom related to a cold, or to anything else? She came off clavamox after only 4 days due to it giving her bad diarrhea, but she seemed to recover except for a slight sniffle and occasional sneezes. Then she really backslid starting yesterday. No fever, and in fact her temp today was low for her-- 100.8-- though still in low normal range. Please send her prayers and energy, and let me know if any thoughts come to mind about what could be going on or what I should do. Thanks, Michelle
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Do cats have sinuses? I don't really know! But if they do, maybe the URI is affecting her whole face, like a sinus headache. That might account for the eye pain, or rather, the pain (or maybe just an odd feeling) behind her eye. Vibes that today's vet visit clears it up!! From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 11:49 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Lucy very sick again I know she must seem like a yoyo or rollercoaster at this point, but please say prayers for Lucy. She has been extremely lethargic since yesterday and today only ate 1/2 a jar of baby food. She is a bit stuffed up and her nose is a little bubbly, so I am hoping it is just the cold she has not shaken. I have a vet aptmt tomorrow at 1 to get her an I-R shot. She had some blood on her bowels today too. I am hoping that she just has not shaken the cold and it is bothering her, and that the change to baby food and getting cold meds is just irritating her IBD. But she has some weird things, too. Like if I pet her head or kiss it in certain spots where I usually do, she closes one eye and keeps it closed for a while like something is wrong with it. About 1/2 hour ago she also pawed at her eye like it was hurting right after I pet her. It makes me worry there is something like a tumor in her head or something. Has anyone seen this symptom related to a cold, or to anything else? She came off clavamox after only 4 days due to it giving her bad diarrhea, but she seemed to recover except for a slight sniffle and occasional sneezes. Then she really backslid starting yesterday. No fever, and in fact her temp today was low for her-- 100.8-- though still in low normal range. Please send her prayers and energy, and let me know if any thoughts come to mind about what could be going on or what I should do. Thanks, Michelle This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties.
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Michelle, Oh my god...I'm praying that is isn't a tumor behind her eyes and nasal passage. Please don't let this be happening to Lucy! I know there was another person on this list that had the same thing as my Taz. This is exactly what happen on my original Taz. The only way to find out is get X-rays done, Biopsyand a Cat Scan if possible. My favorite Vet told me this was the secondary illness due to Taz being Felv positive. Taz didn't eat like normal and was getting lethargic. I then went to a Specialist/Surgeon to see if we can do anything. We had decided to do the surgery to eliminate the masses. He was shocked when he had open Taz's nasal passage. He said he had it for quite some time that it just started showing obvious signs which wasthe swelling inhis eye. This was so sudden when it started to protrude out. I was like oh my god. The Specialist said he was amazed on how loving Taz was and getting around the way he did as sick as he was. I have noticed in cats/kittens they do not show pain or other illnesses like us humans until it's too late. I spent well over $5000 to help Taz but unfortunately it didn't go well. I end up losing himafter surgery because he wouldn't wake up after numerous hours. I let him go to the bridge. Does she have any swelling around her eyes? Please get her checked out A.S.A.P. Lucy is in my thoughts and prayers! In a message dated 11/8/2006 9:49:26 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I know she must seem like a yoyo or rollercoaster at this point, but please say prayers for Lucy. She has been extremely lethargic since yesterday and today only ate 1/2 a jar of baby food. She is a bit stuffed up and her nose is a little bubbly, so I am hoping it is just the cold she has not shaken. I have a vet aptmt tomorrow at 1 to get her an I-R shot. She had some blood on her bowels today too. I am hoping that she just has not shaken the cold and it is bothering her, and that the change to baby food and getting cold meds is just irritating her IBD. But she has some weird things, too. Like if I pet her head or kiss it in certain spots where I usually do, she closes one eye and keeps it closed for a while like something is wrong with it. About 1/2 hour ago she also pawed at her eye like it was hurting right after I pet her. It makes me worry there is something like a tumor in her head or something. Has anyone seen this symptom related to a cold, or to anything else? She came off clavamox after only 4 days due to it giving her bad diarrhea, but she seemed to recover except for a slight sniffle and occasional sneezes. Then she really backslid starting yesterday. No fever, and in fact her temp today was low for her-- 100.8-- though still in low normal range. Please send her prayers and energy, and let me know if any thoughts come to mind about what could be going on or what I should do. Thanks, Michelle Terrie Mohr-ForkerTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE COLLIE RESCUEDonations accepted at:https://www.paypal.com/http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlhttp://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://www.petloss.com/
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Michelle, Sending prayers to you and your Lucy. I hope it isn't a tumor. Cindy Reasoner --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know she must seem like a yoyo or rollercoaster at this point, but please say prayers for Lucy. She has been extremely lethargic since yesterday and today only ate 1/2 a jar of baby food. She is a bit stuffed up and her nose is a little bubbly, so I am hoping it is just the cold she has not shaken. I have a vet aptmt tomorrow at 1 to get her an I-R shot. She had some blood on her bowels today too. I am hoping that she just has not shaken the cold and it is bothering her, and that the change to baby food and getting cold meds is just irritating her IBD. But she has some weird things, too. Like if I pet her head or kiss it in certain spots where I usually do, she closes one eye and keeps it closed for a while like something is wrong with it. About 1/2 hour ago she also pawed at her eye like it was hurting right after I pet her. It makes me worry there is something like a tumor in her head or something. Has anyone seen this symptom related to a cold, or to anything else? She came off clavamox after only 4 days due to it giving her bad diarrhea, but she seemed to recover except for a slight sniffle and occasional sneezes. Then she really backslid starting yesterday. No fever, and in fact her temp today was low for her-- 100.8-- though still in low normal range. Please send her prayers and energy, and let me know if any thoughts come to mind about what could be going on or what I should do. Thanks, Michelle Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited
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Michelle, I'm so sorry to hear this. Deep breath. Okay. We know that she had a URI that wasn't treated to completion. And that she has IBD. The appetite, stool, and eye *could* be something else, but there is enough going on here to suspect that it's still the IBD and URI. The danger with not treating to completion with antibiotics is that you've naturally selected out the weaker bacteria (those that were killed in the four days of Clavamox) and left those that were hardy enough to make it through the four days, but likely wouldn't have made it through the entire course.Your decision to take her off was a good one (in my opinion), because of how runny her stool got, and there is always the hope that the immune system will finish off the work that the antibiotic didn't as it was given a head start with the antibiotic. Clavamox doesn't seem like the right thing to go back to. Someone mentioned Zithromax. Is there a atomic bomb type antibiotic? Something that just knocks the crap out of the URI, but quickly? My thought is that any new thing to her system will aggravate the IBD, so if you have to introduce something, try to lessen it's course - I don't know if there is an antibiotic that has a shorter course by design. Is bloody stool normal for IBD? It's wonderful that she doesn't have a temp and that she got some food into her, the wan appetite could be attributed to inhibited smell, as someone mentioned. I don't know if this helped or just let you know that you're not alone in not knowing. I'll be thinking of you both, good luck. I hope that the vet visit goes well. Leslie From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Lucy very sick again I know she must seem like a yoyo or rollercoaster at this point, but pleasesay prayers for Lucy.She has been extremely lethargic since yesterday andtoday only ate 1/2 a jar of baby food.She is a bit stuffed up and her nose is a little bubbly, so I am hoping it is just the cold she has not shaken. I havea vet aptmt tomorrow at 1 to get her an I-R shot.She had some blood on herbowels today too.I am hoping that she just has not shaken the cold and it is bothering her, and that the change to baby food and getting cold meds is justirritating her IBD.But she has some weird things, too. Like if I pet herhead or kiss it in certain spots where I usually do, she closes one eye and keeps it closed for a while like something is wrong with it. About 1/2 hour ago shealso pawed at her eye like it was hurting right after I pet her.It makes meworry there is something like a tumor in her head or something. Has anyone seen this symptom related to a cold, or to anything else?She came off clavamox after only 4 days due to it giving her bad diarrhea,but she seemed to recover except for a slight sniffle and occasional sneezes. Then she really backslid starting yesterday. No fever, and in fact her temptoday was low for her-- 100.8-- though still in low normal range.Please send her prayers and energy, and let me know if any thoughts come to mind about what could be going on or what I should do.Thanks,Michelle
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Some vets don't like to use Zithromax... we have to get it at our pharmacy, but it works great! Well worth a try if nothing else has worked. Clavamox is notorious for upset tummies... Leslie =^..^= On 11/9/06, Leslie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michelle, I'm so sorry to hear this. Deep breath. Okay. We know that she had a URI that wasn't treated to completion. And that she has IBD. The appetite, stool, and eye *could* be something else, but there is enough going on here to suspect that it's still the IBD and URI. The danger with not treating to completion with antibiotics is that you've naturally selected out the weaker bacteria (those that were killed in the four days of Clavamox) and left those that were hardy enough to make it through the four days, but likely wouldn't have made it through the entire course.Your decision to take her off was a good one (in my opinion), because of how runny her stool got, and there is always the hope that the immune system will finish off the work that the antibiotic didn't as it was given a head start with the antibiotic. Clavamox doesn't seem like the right thing to go back to. Someone mentioned Zithromax. Is there a atomic bomb type antibiotic? Something that just knocks the crap out of the URI, but quickly? My thought is that any new thing to her system will aggravate the IBD, so if you have to introduce something, try to lessen it's course - I don't know if there is an antibiotic that has a shorter course by design. Is bloody stool normal for IBD? It's wonderful that she doesn't have a temp and that she got some food into her, the wan appetite could be attributed to inhibited smell, as someone mentioned. I don't know if this helped or just let you know that you're not alone in not knowing. I'll be thinking of you both, good luck. I hope that the vet visit goes well. Leslie From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Lucy very sick againI know she must seem like a yoyo or rollercoaster at this point, but pleasesay prayers for Lucy.She has been extremely lethargic since yesterday and today only ate 1/2 a jar of baby food.She is a bit stuffed up and her nose is a little bubbly, so I am hoping it is just the cold she has not shaken. I havea vet aptmt tomorrow at 1 to get her an I-R shot.She had some blood on her bowels today too.I am hoping that she just has not shaken the cold and it is bothering her, and that the change to baby food and getting cold meds is justirritating her IBD.But she has some weird things, too. Like if I pet her head or kiss it in certain spots where I usually do, she closes one eye and keeps it closed for a while like something is wrong with it. About 1/2 hour ago shealso pawed at her eye like it was hurting right after I pet her.It makes me worry there is something like a tumor in her head or something. Has anyone seen this symptom related to a cold, or to anything else?She came off clavamox after only 4 days due to it giving her bad diarrhea, but she seemed to recover except for a slight sniffle and occasional sneezes. Then she really backslid starting yesterday. No fever, and in fact her temptoday was low for her-- 100.8-- though still in low normal range. Please send her prayers and energy, and let me know if any thoughts come to mind about what could be going on or what I should do.Thanks,Michelle -- Leslie =^..^=To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded.That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
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Clavamox doesn't seem like the right thing to go back to. Someone mentioned Zithromax. Is there a atomic bomb type antibiotic? Something that just knocks the crap out of the URI, but quickly? My thought is that any new thing to her system will aggravate the IBD, so if you have to introduce something, try to lessen it's course - I don't know if there is an antibiotic that has a shorter course by design. When my vet prescribes Zithro, it is for one dose daily for 3 days, then 3 doses 3 days apart. In my experience, it knocks the crap out of URI quickly:). I like my vet to go straight to Zithro and he will, but I'm generallydealing with a particularly virulent form of shelter URI that will kill cats if messed around with, especially in kittens.
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Prayers going up for you and Lucy. Let us know what the doctor says. elilzabeth -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 11:48 PM Subject: Lucy very sick again I know she must seem like a yoyo or rollercoaster at this point, but please say prayers for Lucy. She has been extremely lethargic since yesterday and today only ate 1/2 a jar of baby food. She is a bit stuffed up and her nose is a little bubbly, so I am hoping it is just the cold she has not shaken. I have a vet aptmt tomorrow at 1 to get her an I-R shot. She had some blood on her bowels today too. I am hoping that she just has not shaken the cold and it is bothering her, and that the change to baby food and getting cold meds is just irritating her IBD. But she has some weird things, too. Like if I pet her head or kiss it in certain spots where I usually do, she closes one eye and keeps it closed for a while like something is wrong with it. About 1/2 hour ago she also pawed at her eye like it was hurting right after I pet her. It makes me worry there is something like a tumor in her head or something. Has anyone seen this symptom related to a cold, or to anything else? She came off clavamox after only 4 days due to it giving her bad diarrhea, but she seemed to recover except for a slight sniffle and occasional sneezes. Then she really backslid starting yesterday. No fever, and in fact her temp today was low for her-- 100.8-- though still in low normal range. Please send her prayers and energy, and let me know if any thoughts come to mind about what could be going on or what I should do. Thanks, Michelle Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more.
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I will keep Lucy in my prayers.Gina[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know she must seem like a yoyo or rollercoaster at this point, but please say prayers for Lucy. She has been extremely lethargic since yesterday and today only ate 1/2 a jar of baby food. She is a bit stuffed up and her nose is a little bubbly, so I am hoping it is just the cold she has not shaken. I have a vet aptmt tomorrow at 1 to get her an I-R shot. She had some blood on her bowels today too. I am hoping that she just has not shaken the cold and it is bothering her, and that the change to baby food and getting cold meds is just irritating her IBD. But she has some weird things, too. Like if I pet her head or kiss it in certain spots where I usually do, she closes one eye and keeps it closed for a while like something is wrong with it. About 1/2 hour ago she also pawed at her eye like it was hurting right after I pet her. It makes me worry there is something like a tumor in her head or something. Has anyone seen this symptom related to a cold, or to anything else? She came off clavamox after only 4 days due to it giving her bad diarrhea, but she seemed to recover except for a slight sniffle and occasional sneezes. Then she really backslid starting yesterday. No fever, and in fact her temp today was low for her-- 100.8-- though still in low normal range.Please send her prayers and energy, and let me know if any thoughts come to mind about what could be going on or what I should do.Thanks, MichelleVisit my Tigger Tales site! See my cats' gallery at Zazzle Check out the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster.
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Michelle, Even tho I haven't been online much these last 2 weeks, I have been keeping you and Lucy in my prayers. I hope the vet appt can help give some answers. I'm so sorry it's been such a roller coaster ride for you. Kat (Mew Jersey) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 11:48 PM Subject: Lucy very sick again I know she must seem like a yoyo or rollercoaster at this point, but please say prayers for Lucy. She has been extremely lethargic since yesterday and today only ate 1/2 a jar of baby food. She is a bit stuffed up and her nose is a little bubbly, so I am hoping it is just the cold she has not shaken. I have a vet aptmt tomorrow at 1 to get her an I-R shot. She had some blood on her bowels today too. I am hoping that she just has not shaken the cold and it is bothering her, and that the change to baby food and getting cold meds is just irritating her IBD. But she has some weird things, too. Like if I pet her head or kiss it in certain spots where I usually do, she closes one eye and keeps it closed for a while like something is wrong with it. About 1/2 hour ago she also pawed at her eye like it was hurting right after I pet her. It makes me worry there is something like a tumor in her head or something. Has anyone seen this symptom related to a cold, or to anything el! se! ? She came off clavamox after only 4 days due to it giving her bad diarrhea, but she seemed to recover except for a slight sniffle and occasional sneezes. Then she really backslid starting yesterday. No fever, and in fact her temp today was low for her-- 100.8-- though still in low normal range. Please send her prayers and energy, and let me know if any thoughts come to mind about what could be going on or what I should do. Thanks, Michelle
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My vet mentioned zithro and said it does not usually cause GI symptoms, but that she got so sick from the clavamox that he is afraid to try any strong abx right now. We gave her .25 ml of Immuno-Regulin today, which is a pretty low dose but he has never used it before and did not feel comfortable starting out higher. He thinks it won't do anything anyway, because there are no studies saying it does, but I know that it helps sometimes. She came home and had loose stool for the first time in a week, I think because all she has been eating is baby food, which is not great for her IBD. But then she ate a few pieces of her normal cooked turkey food, warmed up, and groomed herself, which she also was not doing the past two days. She did the eye thing again, though, after not doing it since last night-- I kissed her head near her eye (not on it though) and she kept the eye closed for a minute or so afterwards. The vet thinks we are just dealing with a URI that needs stronger treatment than her intestines can handle, so we are walking a fence. I think if the I-R and fluids and TLC don't start clearing up her nose in the next few days, though, I am going to try Amoxicyllin and see if it can help her beat the URI without trashing her intestines. Thanks, Michelle In a message dated 11/9/2006 12:51:10 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Clavamox doesn't seem like the right thing to go back to. Someone mentioned Zithromax. Is there a atomic bomb type antibiotic? Something that just knocks the crap out of the URI, but quickly? My thought is that any new thing to her system will aggravate the IBD, so if you have to introduce something, try to lessen it's course - I don't know if there is an antibiotic that has a shorter course by design. When my vet prescribes Zithro, it is for one dose daily for 3 days, then 3 doses 3 days apart. In my experience, it knocks the crap out of URI quickly:). I like my vet to go straight to Zithro and he will, but I'm generallydealing with a particularly virulent form of shelter URI that will kill cats if messed around with, especially in kittens.
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Thanks, Leslie. Frank blood (bright red blood) on the outside of stool does happen with IBD when the problem is in the lower part of the intestines, which is what she has. So occasionally, when she is having a flare-up, she gets that. Often, like this time, it is the precursor to getting loose stool or diarrhea. michelle In a message dated 11/9/2006 12:37:55 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is bloody stool normal for IBD? It's wonderful that she doesn't have a temp and that she got some food into her, the wan appetite could be attributed to inhibited smell, as someone mentioned.
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Does Baytrill help with an URI? I hope Lucy starts feeling better soon. Cindy Reasoner --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My vet mentioned zithro and said it does not usually cause GI symptoms, but that she got so sick from the clavamox that he is afraid to try any strong abx right now. We gave her .25 ml of Immuno-Regulin today, which is a pretty low dose but he has never used it before and did not feel comfortable starting out higher. He thinks it won't do anything anyway, because there are no studies saying it does, but I know that it helps sometimes. She came home and had loose stool for the first time in a week, I think because all she has been eating is baby food, which is not great for her IBD. But then she ate a few pieces of her normal cooked turkey food, warmed up, and groomed herself, which she also was not doing the past two days. She did the eye thing again, though, after not doing it since last night-- I kissed her head near her eye (not on it though) and she kept the eye closed for a minute or so afterwards. The vet thinks we are just dealing with a URI that needs stronger treatment than her intestines can handle, so we are walking a fence. I think if the I-R and fluids and TLC don't start clearing up her nose in the next few days, though, I am going to try Amoxicyllin and see if it can help her beat the URI without trashing her intestines. Thanks, Michelle In a message dated 11/9/2006 12:51:10 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Clavamox doesn't seem like the right thing to go back to. Someone mentioned Zithromax. Is there a atomic bomb type antibiotic? Something that just knocks the crap out of the URI, but quickly? My thought is that any new thing to her system will aggravate the IBD, so if you have to introduce something, try to lessen it's course - I don't know if there is an antibiotic that has a shorter course by design. When my vet prescribes Zithro, it is for one dose daily for 3 days, then 3 doses 3 days apart. In my experience, it knocks the crap out of URI quickly:). I like my vet to go straight to Zithro and he will, but I'm generally dealing with a particularly virulent form of shelter URI that will kill cats if messed around with, especially in kittens. Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index
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Poor Lucy, she is in a bad situation. Can you give her any Vitamin C, or will that kill her IBD? What about zinc? Anybody know if it's safe to give cats zinc for URI, like they have human drops of zinc from colds to go away faster? Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners:http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.htmlSpecial Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.htmlFind us on PETFINDER! http://petfinder.com/shelters/VT44.html No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.0/525 - Release Date: 11/9/2006
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I sometimes give my kitties fluid with V-C (injectable) to flush stuff out.. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 1:49 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Lucy very sick again Poor Lucy, she is in a bad situation. Can you give her any Vitamin C, or will that kill her IBD? What about zinc? Anybody know if it's safe to give cats zinc for URI, like they have human drops of zinc from colds to go away faster? Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners: http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.html Special Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.html Find us on PETFINDER! http://petfinder.com/shelters/VT44.html
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Well, um, it's very old school, but what about penicillin INJECTIONS? No GI upset at all... You can do it at home if your vet willshow you how to do it. My dad gave our dogs penicillin shots for weeks when they had parvo and we couldn't afford treatment when I was a kid (they both lived too!) I know we try not to inject in cats due to sarcoma, BUT, as sick as Lucy is, and as bad as the oral stuff effects her IBD, I'd certainly consider it in her case! Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners:http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.htmlSpecial Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.htmlFind us on PETFINDER! http://petfinder.com/shelters/VT44.html No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.0/525 - Release Date: 11/9/2006
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Michelle, It sounds like a good plan, hopefully the only frustration will be in waiting the URI out. Are the antibiotics for the URI, or just to protect from a secondary infection anyway? So the vet attributed the eye closing to the cold? I hope that that symptom goes away soon. I'm really interested to see how the IR helps her. Good that she ate some turkey and groomed herself, those are heartening signs. Leslie From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: Lucy very sick again My vet mentioned zithro and said it does not usually cause GI symptoms, butthat she got so sick from the clavamox that he is afraid to try any strong abxright now.We gave her .25 ml of Immuno-Regulin today, which is a pretty low dose but he has never used it before and did not feel comfortable startingout higher.He thinks it won't do anything anyway, because there are nostudies saying it does, but I know that it helps sometimes.She came homeand had loose stool for the first time in a week, I think because all she hasbeeneating is baby food, which is not great for her IBD.But then she atea fewpieces of her normal cooked turkey food, warmed up, and groomed herself, which she also was not doing the past two days.She did the eye thingagain,though, after not doing it since last night-- I kissed her head near hereye(not on it though) and she kept the eye closed for a minute or soafterwards. The vet thinks we are just dealing with a URI that needs stronger treatmentthan her intestines can handle, so we are walking a fence.I think if theI-R and fluids and TLC don't start clearing up her nose in the next few days, though, I am going to try Amoxicyllin and see if it can help her beat the URIwithout trashing her intestines.Thanks,MichelleThanks, Leslie.Frank blood (bright red blood) on the outside ofstool does happen with IBD when the problem is in the lower part of theintestines,which is what she has.So occasionally, when she is having aflare-up, she getsthat. Often, like this time, it is the precursor to gettingloose stool or diarrhea.michelle
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Prayers for Lucy. The only thing I can think of is herpes in her eyes? Are you giving her any vitamins? Vitamin C definitely upsets the stomach and causes diarrhea.take care, t[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know she must seem like a yoyo or rollercoaster at this point, but please say prayers for Lucy. She has been extremely lethargic since yesterday and today only ate 1/2 a jar of baby food. She is a bit stuffed up and her nose is a little bubbly, so I am hoping it is just the cold she has not shaken. I have a vet aptmt tomorrow at 1 to get her an I-R shot. She had some blood on her bowels today too. I am hoping that she just has not shaken the cold and it is bothering her, and that the change to baby food and getting cold meds is just irritating her IBD. But she has some weird things, too. Like if I pet her head or kiss it in certain spots where I usually do, she closes one eye and keeps it closed for a while like something is wrong with it. About 1/2 hour ago she also pawed at her eye like it was hurting right after I pet her. It makes me worry there is something like a tumor in her head or something. Has anyone seen this symptom related to a cold, or to anything else? She came off clavamox after only 4 days due to it giving her bad diarrhea, but she seemed to recover except for a slight sniffle and occasional sneezes. Then she really backslid starting yesterday. No fever, and in fact her temp today was low for her-- 100.8-- though still in low normal range.Please send her prayers and energy, and let me know if any thoughts come to mind about what could be going on or what I should do.Thanks, Michelle
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Hoping that Lucy is feeling better again soon... Best wishes, Beth
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He did attribute it to that. And it happens only sporadically-- once today, as far as I know. Thanks, Michelle In a message dated 11/9/2006 7:59:00 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Michelle, It sounds like a good plan, hopefully the only frustration will be in waiting the URI out. Are the antibiotics for the URI, or just to protect from a secondary infection anyway? So the vet attributed the eye closing to the cold? I hope that that symptom goes away soon. I'm really interested to see how the IR helps her. Good that she ate some turkey and groomed herself, those are heartening signs. Leslie
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Oh wow, is your vet convinced that the IR is helping, or is he trying to blow the results off? Regardless, I'm so happy she's feeling better, poopie butt is a rough thing to live with for an extended period (for cat and human). Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners:http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.htmlSpecial Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.htmlFind us on PETFINDER! http://petfinder.com/shelters/VT44.html No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.0/525 - Release Date: 11/9/2006
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Hi Michelle, I'm relieved to hear Lucy is feeling and eating better. I did give Gypsy Penicillin injections when her IBD was at it's worst. They didn't seem to help her, but then nothing seemed to help her at the time. Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I never heard of cats getting straight penicillin-- or is that what amoxicyllin is? Anyway, I read that injectible abx can still cause GI problems, I guess because they still kill bacteria in the GI tract. So far, knock on wood, she seems a bit better since getting the I-R shot today. Still sniffly and sleepy, but has eaten a lot more-- not normal amount, but I think more than half of normal amount-- and is grooming herself and walking around more. So I have my fingers crossed. We go back to the vet on Sat for another I-R shot, and I will ask about injectible abx then. Thanks! Michelle In a message dated 11/9/2006 7:59:30 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, um, it's very old school, but what about penicillin INJECTIONS? No GI upset at all... You can do it at home if your vet will show you how to do it. My dad gave our dogs penicillin shots for weeks when they had parvo and we couldn't afford treatment when I was a kid (they both lived too!) I know we try not to inject in cats due to sarcoma, BUT, as sick as Lucy is, and as bad as the oral stuff effects her IBD, I'd certainly consider it in her case! Phaewryn
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it would be for her uri, not for the ibd. the hope would be it would not vex her ibd. michelle In a message dated 11/9/2006 10:46:23 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Michelle,I'm relieved to hear Lucy is feeling and eating better. I did give Gypsy Penicillin injections when her IBD was at it's worst. They didn't seem to help her, but then nothing seemed to help her at the time.Nina
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vitamin C would probably be terrible for her ibd, though. that's the catch-22. michelle In a message dated 11/9/2006 10:27:11 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I sometimes give my kitties fluid with V-C (injectable) to flush stuff out..
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She wants you to love her and be with her. Tonight that is all you can do. Blessings to you and to her. Roller coasters are so hard. I've done it and .well, they are so hard. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 11:48 PM Subject: Lucy very sick again I know she must seem like a yoyo or rollercoaster at this point, but please say prayers for Lucy. She has been extremely lethargic since yesterday and today only ate 1/2 a jar of baby food. She is a bit stuffed up and her nose is a little bubbly, so I am hoping it is just the cold she has not shaken. I have a vet aptmt tomorrow at 1 to get her an I-R shot. She had some blood on her bowels today too. I am hoping that she just has not shaken the cold and it is bothering her, and that the change to baby food and getting cold meds is just irritating her IBD. But she has some weird things, too. Like if I pet her head or kiss it in certain spots where I usually do, she closes one eye and keeps it closed for a while like something is wrong with it. About 1/2 hour ago she also pawed at her eye like it was hurting right after I pet her. It makes me worry there is something like a tumor in her head or something. Has anyone seen this symptom related to a cold, or to anything else? She came off clavamox after only 4 days due to it giving her bad diarrhea, but she seemed to recover except for a slight sniffle and occasional sneezes. Then she really backslid starting yesterday. No fever, and in fact her temp today was low for her-- 100.8-- though still in low normal range. Please send her prayers and energy, and let me know if any thoughts come to mind about what could be going on or what I should do. Thanks, Michelle
