RE: To Nina: Re: more recalls

[Hideyo Yamamoto]

How about all purina products - since they are a major distributor, you
would think they checked all their products already?

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of wendy
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 2:56 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: To Nina: Re: more recalls

I don't know Nina.  I'm wondering the same thing.  My
friend this weekend just bought the Natural Balance
(duck) for her dog that has allergies.  He wolfed the
first few nuggets down that she gave him.  I saw the
recall today and called her right away to let her know
to keep an eye out.  There is no wheat gluten in it as
you said.  It looks like they are voluntarily pulling
the venison formula due to customer complaints, which
I think it very responsible of them, considering they
aren't taking any time to verify the info. beforehand.
 It could just be a false alarm for all we know if
it's solely based on consumer complaint.  I want to
know asap if there really is a problem and if so, what
it is!!!  I hope it's not in our food too!  Maybe it
does have to do with the Vitamin D thing they are
talking about and not the wheat gluten at all!

:)
Wendy

--- Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Okay, now I'm really scared.  I went to look up the
> Natural Balance 
> website ingredients list of venison & fresh green
> pea dry formula for 
> cats and as I suspected, there is no wheat gluten
> listed!  What the Hell 
> gives??  I haven't checked the other dog/cat
> formulas being questioned 
> yet.  Thanks for the heads up.  I don't know what to
> think.  I'll keep 
> watching the website as they've promised to update
> us.  I hate that they 
> state in caps that these are the only foods
> affected.  I guess they mean 
> so far.
> Feeling sick,
> Nina
> 
>  
> TenHouseCats wrote:
> > www.howl911.com  
> 


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Re: To Nina: Re: What to do with feral cat attacking my cats

[Gina WN]

My Buddy was a street cat, skittish and scared (though probaby not feral) and 
he ended up being the sweetest cat I've ever had, and that was before we had 
his pom poms removed.  He was 15 pounds of pure muscle and had the neatest 
cheek pouches that the vet said he had because he was an adult tom cat when we 
rescued him.  He got a little pudgy after the neutering though.  He was my FIV+ 
boy.  
   
  It's been almost four and a half years since he crossed the Bridge and I 
still grieve for his gentle soul.  I always will.  Some street cats make the 
BEST house cats.  You just never know. :)
   
  Gina
   
  
Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  Aww, so wonderful to hear about Nilla Belle, (pardon me Nilla for 
calling you a "he" :-) ). I love the success stories!

Ya know Wendy, so many of these street tough thugs turn into the 
sweetest couch potatoes once they are relieved of those bothersome pom 
poms. He may not be as nasty as he appears. Do you remember my FIV 
boy, Starman? He bit me so hard at first that it would not only 
puncture my skin, but left bruises around the bite site. He is now the 
fattest, happiest, most content lap cat you could imagine, (I'll send 
you a picture off list). His girlfriend is our tiny Pistol, she's all 
of 7lbs soaking wet and Star is pushing 20lb. She wanted nothing to do 
with him and his burly ways when he came to live with us, but he wore 
her down with his persistent and patient adoration and now they sleep 
and play together. He follows her around like some underpaid bodyguard, 
it's so cute. So, you never know what personality lurks under all that 
testosterone, fear and self preservation. 
Nina

wendy wrote:
> Thanks for asking about Nilla Belle. She's
> wonderful!!! I can't believe I am even saying that,
> but she is just the BEST dog. She is so smart, and
> loving, and walks like a trained showdog. We're
> blessed to have her. Thanks for all the rescue info. 
> This will help when approaching them for help.
>
> :)
> Wendy





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Re: To Nina: Re: What to do with feral cat attacking my cats

[wendy]

Nina,

I laughed out loud at your metaphor of Starman
romancing Pistol and following her around...hehe. 
These kids probably think I'm a nutcase laughing at my
computer like I do.

:)
Wendy

--- Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Aww, so wonderful to hear about Nilla Belle, (pardon
> me Nilla for 
> calling you a "he" :-) ).  I love the success
> stories!
> 
> Ya know Wendy, so many of these street tough thugs
> turn into the 
> sweetest couch potatoes once they are relieved of
> those bothersome pom 
> poms.  He may not be as nasty as he appears.  Do you
> remember my FIV 
> boy, Starman?  He bit me so hard at first that it
> would not only 
> puncture my skin, but left bruises around the bite
> site.  He is now the 
> fattest, happiest, most content lap cat you could
> imagine, (I'll send 
> you a picture off list).  His girlfriend is our tiny
> Pistol, she's all 
> of 7lbs soaking wet and Star is pushing 20lb.  She
> wanted nothing to do 
> with him and his burly ways when he came to live
> with us, but he wore 
> her down with his persistent and patient adoration
> and now they sleep 
> and play together.  He follows her around like some
> underpaid bodyguard, 
> it's so cute.  So, you never know what personality
> lurks under all that 
> testosterone, fear and self preservation. 
> Nina
> 
> wendy wrote:
> > Thanks for asking about Nilla Belle.  She's
> > wonderful!!!  I can't believe I am even saying
> that,
> > but she is just the BEST dog.  She is so smart,
> and
> > loving, and walks like a trained showdog.  We're
> > blessed to have her.  Thanks for all the rescue
> info. 
> > This will help when approaching them for help.
> >
> > :)
> > Wendy
> 
> 
> 


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Re: To Nina: Re: What to do with feral cat attacking my cats

[Nina]

Aww, so wonderful to hear about Nilla Belle, (pardon me Nilla for 
calling you a "he" :-) ).  I love the success stories!


Ya know Wendy, so many of these street tough thugs turn into the 
sweetest couch potatoes once they are relieved of those bothersome pom 
poms.  He may not be as nasty as he appears.  Do you remember my FIV 
boy, Starman?  He bit me so hard at first that it would not only 
puncture my skin, but left bruises around the bite site.  He is now the 
fattest, happiest, most content lap cat you could imagine, (I'll send 
you a picture off list).  His girlfriend is our tiny Pistol, she's all 
of 7lbs soaking wet and Star is pushing 20lb.  She wanted nothing to do 
with him and his burly ways when he came to live with us, but he wore 
her down with his persistent and patient adoration and now they sleep 
and play together.  He follows her around like some underpaid bodyguard, 
it's so cute.  So, you never know what personality lurks under all that 
testosterone, fear and self preservation. 
Nina


wendy wrote:

Thanks for asking about Nilla Belle.  She's
wonderful!!!  I can't believe I am even saying that,
but she is just the BEST dog.  She is so smart, and
loving, and walks like a trained showdog.  We're
blessed to have her.  Thanks for all the rescue info. 
This will help when approaching them for help.


:)
Wendy

Re: To Nina and other dog experts: Nilla Belle peeing blood after spay

[Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn]

Eee Gads! Shame on your vet, I say, he COULD have sent her home and told you 
"sorry,
the complications are too high while she is in heat, please reschedule after 
she is
out of heat". JMO. I wonder if it is actually blood in the pee, or if she's 
bleeding
from her vagina, and it's just mixing in with the pee as it passes through the 
vulva.
There shouldn't be any reason for there to be blood in the urine after a spay, 
the
bladder is not involved with the spay surgery. The only way there would be 
blood in
the urine caused by a spay is if the vet accidentally lacerated the bladder, 
and had
to repair it, and the repair is not holding.

Phaewryn

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Re: To Nina and other dog experts: Nilla Belle peeing blood after spay

[Marylyn]

No I would not want her alone at the vet's.  She would be better off with 
someone (you) watching after her.  My concerns are whether you have backup 
if the vet is not open.  I live in a rural area and finding vets off hours 
here can be (at best) interesting.  Nilla is such a lucky dog.  I wish her a 
long and happy life with you and you with her.







If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who
will deal likewise with 
their fellow man.
 St. 
Francis
- Original Message - 
From: "wendy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 7:37 AM
Subject: Re: To Nina and other dog experts: Nilla Belle peeing blood after 
spay




Thanks Marylyn,

They open in less than half an hour, so we'll call
right away.  If we have to take her in, we will, but I
am hoping all she needs is antibiotics.  I don't want
her stuck at the vets all day Sunday by herself if all
she needs is antibiotics, you know?

:)
Wendy

--- Marylyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I'm no dog expert but I've shared my life with
plenty of them.  I've never
had a problem like this.  Do you have an emergency
vet nearby or will your
vet come in for emergencies?  My concern is for the
rest of the weekend.
Also, I would not be put off.  I would want to see a
vet for my own peace of
mind.





 If
you have men who will
exclude any of God's creatures

from the shelter of
compassion and pity, you will have men who

will deal likewise with
their fellow man.

 St.
Francis
- Original Message - 
From: "wendy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 6:36 AM
Subject: OT: To Nina and other dog experts: Nilla
Belle peeing blood after
spay


> Hey guys,
>
> Nilla Belle was brought home yesterday after her
spay
> Thursday.  They wanted to keep her overnight
because
> she bled a lot because she was in heat and they
said
> they had to "wrap" her.  I am not sure what all
this
> means, but now I notice she's peeing blood.  She's
> been in the house and we didn't let her out in
time
> and she peed on the tile.  Yesterday it was medium
> reddish yellow, but I just got up and noticed that
she
> peed twice more while we were sleeping and one of
the
> pees was the color of the other yesterday, but the
> other was pretty red.  The vet doesn't open for
> another hour and a half, so I have to wait to
call.
> If anyone is up out there (I am betting Nina isn't
as
> it's 4:30 am her time), do you know what could be
> causing this?  Can she pop a stitch and it bleed
into
> her bladder?  That doesn't sound right.  Maybe she
has
> had a UTI and we didn't know it?
>
> Any advice is appreciated,
> Thanks,
> Wendy
>
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Re: To Nina and other dog experts: Nilla Belle peeing blood after spay

[wendy]

Thanks Marylyn,

They open in less than half an hour, so we'll call
right away.  If we have to take her in, we will, but I
am hoping all she needs is antibiotics.  I don't want
her stuck at the vets all day Sunday by herself if all
she needs is antibiotics, you know?

:)
Wendy

--- Marylyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I'm no dog expert but I've shared my life with
> plenty of them.  I've never 
> had a problem like this.  Do you have an emergency
> vet nearby or will your 
> vet come in for emergencies?  My concern is for the
> rest of the weekend. 
> Also, I would not be put off.  I would want to see a
> vet for my own peace of 
> mind.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  If
> you have men who will 
> exclude any of God's creatures
> 
> from the shelter of 
> compassion and pity, you will have men who
> 
> will deal likewise with 
> their fellow man.
> 
>  St. 
> Francis
> - Original Message - 
> From: "wendy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 6:36 AM
> Subject: OT: To Nina and other dog experts: Nilla
> Belle peeing blood after 
> spay
> 
> 
> > Hey guys,
> >
> > Nilla Belle was brought home yesterday after her
> spay
> > Thursday.  They wanted to keep her overnight
> because
> > she bled a lot because she was in heat and they
> said
> > they had to "wrap" her.  I am not sure what all
> this
> > means, but now I notice she's peeing blood.  She's
> > been in the house and we didn't let her out in
> time
> > and she peed on the tile.  Yesterday it was medium
> > reddish yellow, but I just got up and noticed that
> she
> > peed twice more while we were sleeping and one of
> the
> > pees was the color of the other yesterday, but the
> > other was pretty red.  The vet doesn't open for
> > another hour and a half, so I have to wait to
> call.
> > If anyone is up out there (I am betting Nina isn't
> as
> > it's 4:30 am her time), do you know what could be
> > causing this?  Can she pop a stitch and it bleed
> into
> > her bladder?  That doesn't sound right.  Maybe she
> has
> > had a UTI and we didn't know it?
> >
> > Any advice is appreciated,
> > Thanks,
> > Wendy
> >
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Re: To Nina and other dog experts: Nilla Belle peeing blood after spay

[Marylyn]

I'm no dog expert but I've shared my life with plenty of them.  I've never 
had a problem like this.  Do you have an emergency vet nearby or will your 
vet come in for emergencies?  My concern is for the rest of the weekend. 
Also, I would not be put off.  I would want to see a vet for my own peace of 
mind.






If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who
will deal likewise with 
their fellow man.
 St. 
Francis
- Original Message - 
From: "wendy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 6:36 AM
Subject: OT: To Nina and other dog experts: Nilla Belle peeing blood after 
spay




Hey guys,

Nilla Belle was brought home yesterday after her spay
Thursday.  They wanted to keep her overnight because
she bled a lot because she was in heat and they said
they had to "wrap" her.  I am not sure what all this
means, but now I notice she's peeing blood.  She's
been in the house and we didn't let her out in time
and she peed on the tile.  Yesterday it was medium
reddish yellow, but I just got up and noticed that she
peed twice more while we were sleeping and one of the
pees was the color of the other yesterday, but the
other was pretty red.  The vet doesn't open for
another hour and a half, so I have to wait to call.
If anyone is up out there (I am betting Nina isn't as
it's 4:30 am her time), do you know what could be
causing this?  Can she pop a stitch and it bleed into
her bladder?  That doesn't sound right.  Maybe she has
had a UTI and we didn't know it?

Any advice is appreciated,
Thanks,
Wendy

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Re: To Nina Re: my experience with pits.....

[catatonya]

It's best for them to come to your house.  My guy came for a small fee (dinner money). lol.wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  Hey Karen,Thanks! I would love that. Do you think she willwant to come look at her interact with our dogs, or doyou think she will want us to bring her to Lewisville?I am in Rockwall.Thanks!Wendy--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:> Wendy,> Your in Texas? where at I can recommend some> reliable person in lewisville > who can temperament test her for you. I am not sure> what she charges but she > gave me a great deal of very frank advice when I had> my pit. She will not sugar > coat anything let me know.> Karen>
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Re: To Nina: Re: my experience with pits.....

[Gary Murphy]

I would love that, but am maxed out at 11 dear souls in 1250 square feet... (5 cats, 1 african grey parrot, 2 lovebirds, my mom, my husband, and myself.)  If I ever move to a bigger place, a new dobe is a definite!
 
Thanks,
Beth
 
 Original message:
Just say the word Beth and I am sure we can get you anther one !!
 
Karen

Re: To Nina: Re: my experience with pits.....

[FORGETMENOTPETS]

Just say the word Beth and I am sure we can get you anther one 
!!
 
Karen

Re: To Nina: Re: my experience with pits.....

[Gary Murphy]

Oh, I understand about that "cool stare".  People would cross the street to avoid us when I was out walking her.  She was still scary looking even with her uncropped ears, big belly, and genetically caused near baldness.  I would never approach a strange dobe with that focused stare...
 
Missing that dear old dog now  :o(
Beth

Re: To Nina: Re: my experience with pits.....

[Nina]

Rotties need to be raised with care and respect, but I feel more 
comfortable around one I've just met because, (at least for me), they 
are easier to "read" than Dobbies.  Their facial expressions and body 
language signal what's going on in their heads and give more of an 
indication of their emotions than Dobermans.  There can be something 
unnerving about the cool stillness in a Dobbie's stare when he's unsure 
of your intentions.  Every dog, just as every human, is an individual 
and is the result of genetics and environment.  You just can't judge a 
book by it's cover.  Think Ted Bundy.

Nina

Gary Murphy wrote:
Many years ago I had a dobe that hid under the bed during storms and 
who let somebody break-in and rob our house.  The meter reader came 
once when I was out in the yard with her and asked me to please put 
her inside since his little computer tablet said "BAD DOG" for our 
address.  As he stared at her in wide-eyed fear, I hustled her into 
the house while trying  to explain that she was not the problem dog, 
it was our rotten little terrier mutt who was at that very moment 
latched onto his pant leg and trying to take him down.  He was so 
focused on the dobe he never even noticed that he was already under 
attack until I came back to grab her.  I've heard since that there is 
a personality difference between male and female dobes, I would love 
to have another female again.  But those cute little curly-haired 
terriers are just vicious... :o) 
 
Beth 
 
Original message from Catatonya:
I can't take the test either.  The dog I found my family, and people 
on my rescue list all thought was a pit.  But he was friendly as all 
get out, got along with the dogs, and didn't chase my cats (though 
I've kept him on a leash with them, because they stalk him!)
 
There's a guy on my list who rescues pits and HE thought he was a pit 
from the pictures, but when he got here he said he wasn't.
 
He has 5 rescued pits.  They don't fight at all except trying to push 
each other out of the bed where they all want to sleep together.  A 
pit that seems friendly is at no greater risk than any other dog who 
seems friendly to 'turn'.  They just have more strength.
 
I'm a million times more afraid of dobes and rotties.
 
t


*/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote:

you guys don't want to here this but I didn't do so well on the
quiz..
LOL
Karen


 

Re: To Nina: Re: my experience with pits.....

[FORGETMENOTPETS]

LOL yeah I have a min pin mix that will bite a stranger and draw blood in a 
quick ness.
I was raised with Dobes and don't believe there is much difference in the 
disposition. Males should be neutered as early as possible, that helps a lot 
with aggression

Re: To Nina: Re: my experience with pits.....

[Gary Murphy]

Many years ago I had a dobe that hid under the bed during storms and who let somebody break-in and rob our house.  The meter reader came once when I was out in the yard with her and asked me to please put her inside since his little computer tablet said "BAD DOG" for our address.  As he stared at her in wide-eyed fear, I hustled her into the house while trying  to explain that she was not the problem dog, it was our rotten little terrier mutt who was at that very moment latched onto his pant leg and trying to take him down.  He was so focused on the dobe he never even noticed that he was already under attack until I came back to grab her.  I've heard since that there is a personality difference between male and female dobes, I would love to have another female again.  But those cute little curly-haired terriers are just vicious... :o) 
 
Beth 
 
Original message from Catatonya:
I can't take the test either.  The dog I found my family, and people on my rescue list all thought was a pit.  But he was friendly as all get out, got along with the dogs, and didn't chase my cats (though I've kept him on a leash with them, because they stalk him!)
 
There's a guy on my list who rescues pits and HE thought he was a pit from the pictures, but when he got here he said he wasn't.
 
He has 5 rescued pits.  They don't fight at all except trying to push each other out of the bed where they all want to sleep together.  A pit that seems friendly is at no greater risk than any other dog who seems friendly to 'turn'.  They just have more strength.
 
I'm a million times more afraid of dobes and rotties.
 
t[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


you guys don't want to here this but I didn't do so well on the quiz..
LOL
Karen
 

Re: To Nina: Re: my experience with pits.....

[Gary Murphy]

Many years ago I had a dobe that hid under the bed during storms and who let somebody break-in and rob our house.  The meter reader came once when I was out in the yard with her and asked me to please put her inside since his little computer tablet said "BAD DOG" for our address.  As he stared at her in wide-eyed fear, I hustled her into the house while trying  to explain that she was not the problem dog, it was our rotten little terrier mutt who was at that very moment latched onto his pant leg and trying to take him down.  He was so focused on the dobe he never even noticed that he was already under attack until I came back to grab her.  I've heard since that there is a personality difference between male and female dobes, I would love to have another female again.  But those cute little curly-haired terriers are just vicious... :o) 
 
Beth 

Re: To Nina: Re: my experience with pits.....

[catatonya]

I can't take the test either.  The dog I found my family, and people on my rescue list all thought was a pit.  But he was friendly as all get out, got along with the dogs, and didn't chase my cats (though I've kept him on a leash with them, because they stalk him!)     There's a guy on my list who rescues pits and HE thought he was a pit from the pictures, but when he got here he said he wasn't.     He has 5 rescued pits.  They don't fight at all except trying to push each other out of the bed where they all want to sleep together.  A pit that seems friendly is at no greater risk than any other dog who seems friendly to 'turn'.  They just have more strength.     I'm a million times more afraid of dobes and rotties.     t[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  you guys don't want to here this but I didn't do so well on the quiz..  LOL  Karen

Re: To Nina: Re: my experience with pits.....

[catatonya]

Don't be so sure wendy.  Everyone I showed pics of the dog I found said 'pit', but then the vet and pit rescue said he was NOT a pit.  Does this dog act aggressive toward your other dogs?  Does he chase the cats?     twendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  P.S. We are absolutely sure she's a Pit Bull. Shemight be mixed, but her head is unmistakably pit bull.:)Wendy--- Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:> Hi Wendy,> I'm glad your rescue girl is in out of danger and> sleeping soundly. I > do wonder about her puppies though. Life can be so> tough sometimes. > > Unfortunately I have to second Karen's input on> Pits. (Congratulations > on placing the pos today Karen!). You probably know> me well enough to
 > understand how it pains me to generalize about any> breed, but Pits have > the rep they do for a reason. I have met plenty of> of lovable ones, but > they have to be well trained and adhere to a> different kind of > interaction than say, a Golden Retriever. I don't> specialize in > aggression problems, but I've seen dogs that wag> their entire bodies > when they greet you, turn mighty ugly mighty fast> when matched with an > owner that isn't alpha enough to influence their> behavior sufficiently. > Any breed of dog can have these problems, but this> is a breed that is > known for them. Esp since you have no idea of her> history, you'll need > to stay alert and help her understand that you are> capable of making > decisions in order to insure everyone is safe. Are> you absolutely sure > that she's Pit x and not
 something else? Perhaps> Boxer, or Lab? I much > prefer to see Pit Bulls placed in an 'only pet' home> with no children > situation. If the vet thinks she's a Pit Bull, I> would contact the Pit > Bull rescue in your area and see if they are willing> to help you place > this girl. It's a good sign that she's not> immediately fence fighting > with your other dogs, but it could just be because> she's worn out and is > waiting to feel out the situation. > > I've also heard about Thyroid problems causing> sudden aggression, I wish > I could remember the details involved, you can> probably Google it and > find out more.> > She was sent to you for a reason. Just be careful> and think carefully > about making a long-term commitment to her. You may> just be meant to be > the "go-between" in finding her true forever
 home. > Good luck sweetie > and thank you for helping her.> Nina> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:> > Phaewryn and all,> > Well I have been doing dog and until recently pit> rescue for 20 some > > years.> > I am afraid I do not agree. I had a pit from> weaning till 4 1/2 years > > and she "turned" or developed sudden rage. A> beloved indoor family > > fully vetted dog became a killer in 6 months.> > I also have a foster who was attacked by her own> pit with injuries > > including 26 staples in her head. Also from a dog> with sudden rage > > syndrome.> > Never no matter how long you have them trust a pit> completely. They > > were born and bred to kill and that is what they> do best.> > My pit Judas used to help me potty bottle baby> kittens,. then started >
 > chewing up pups.> > When you get yours checked please include a test> for lyme and > > thyroid.another major cause of aggression in> pits and other breeds > > of dogs.> > A rescued pit needs lots of training love patience> and RESPECT.> > I have only read a few of these emails we had> petco adoptions all > > weekend but good luck with the pit.> > BY THE WAY ALL I PLACE A FIV POSITIVE CAT TODAY> WHO WILL HAVE A FIV > > BUDDY TO HANG WITH.> > KAREN> Get your email and see which of your friends are online - Right on the New Yahoo.com (http://www.yahoo.com/preview) 

Re: To Nina Re: my experience with pits.....

[wendy]

Hey Karen,

Thanks!  I would love that.  Do you think she will
want to come look at her interact with our dogs, or do
you think she will want us to bring her to Lewisville?
 I am in Rockwall.

Thanks!
Wendy

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Wendy,
> Your in Texas? where at I can recommend some
> reliable person in lewisville  
> who can temperament test her for you. I am not sure
> what she charges but she  
> gave me a great deal of very frank advice when I had
> my pit. She will not sugar 
>  coat anything let me know.
> Karen
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Re: To Nina Re: my experience with pits.....

[FORGETMENOTPETS]

Wendy,
Your in Texas? where at I can recommend some reliable person in lewisville 
who can temperament test her for you. I am not sure what she charges but she 
gave me a great deal of very frank advice when I had my pit. She will not sugar 
coat anything let me know.
Karen

RE: To Nina Re: my experience with pits.....

[Chris]

You can also try Leah at Spindletop  http://www.spindletoppitbullrefuge.org/
They're somewhere around Houston

Chris
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of wendy
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 2:11 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: OT: To Nina Re: my experience with pits.

Hey Nina,

I sent emails to the only two pit bull shelters in
Texas.  The first person I heard back from today. 
He's booked, but he's in Kingsville, which is like 8
hours from Dallas, so that's ok.  He was very nice. 
The other person is in Gun Barrell City, not too far
from here, and I am hoping to hear back from her
today.  She has 8 pits in her shelter, and one of them
has been there three years!  Poor thing!  I am hoping
she will know someone closer to where I live that
might be willing to come over and observe her.  I will
definitely not be turning her over to a regular
shelter, don't worry.  I can't tell what she might be
mixed with, if anything.  I am hoping my vet can tell
me.  I was really wishing I had your phone number
yesterday when we were trying to evaluate whether to
take her with us or not, because I know you do dog
rescue as well.  We are considering keeping her if she
and the other dogs can get along.  So far so good.  We
are also considering building a separate enclosure for
her while we are gone at work during the day.

:)
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Re: To Nina: Re: my experience with pits.....

[FORGETMENOTPETS]

Well to me they are foreign or "designer" names for pitbulls.
I am familiar with most of them but still cant tell the 
difference

Re: To Nina: Re: my experience with pits.....

[wendy]

it took us ten or more tries to get the right answer! 
that test is unfair though...who the heck ever heard
of a corso or dogo or whatever some of those names
are?!!!

;)
Wendy

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> you guys don't want to here this but I didn't do so
> well on the  quiz..
> LOL
> Karen
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Re: To Nina: Re: my experience with pits.....

[Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn]

Me neither, but I'd seen it before, and failed it... so that's why I posted 
it, because I know it's really hard to tell a pit "for sure".
Phaewryn
 
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Re: To Nina: Re: my experience with pits.....

[FORGETMENOTPETS]

you guys don't want to here this but I didn't do so well on the 
quiz..
LOL
Karen

Re: To Nina: Re: my experience with pits.....

[Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn]

Absolutely sure? Check out this webpage:
http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/findpit.html 
(I think most people will be shocked by the results if they take the 
quiz)
Phaewryn
 
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Re: To Nina Re: What I learned

[Leslie]

Hi!
It's funny how replying to an email from Friday can seem like you're replying to an email from a year ago
 
It' actually the floor of the passenger side that is the effected area - seats are fine.  The adjuster came and took pictures and looked into quotes for getting the whole carpet replaced, not even just the two square foot section that's effected.  He said that whatever the estimates came to over the $500 deductible, he's just send me a check for, but it didn't mean that I'd have to replace them.  I kept my fingers crossed, but the sum total was $447 - so no insurance money and there wasn't any other damage.  Car insurance doesn't cover what's in the vehicle, just the car itself.  Renter's insurance covers what stolen from the car, but again, there's a $500 deductible, and I came close, but no cigar.  

 
Ah well, next time.  (NOT!)
 
Leslie 

From: Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Subject: Re: To Leslie Re: What I learned
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgMessage-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Why don't you think about replacing the whole seat?  You might be ableto find one in a junk yard that's in good shape.  Shouldn't yourinsurance cover this?  It is damage inflicted during the theft.N

Re: To Nina: Re: Hello Everyone, a not so brief update

[Nina]

Thanks Wendy, I appreciate your prayers for my continued sanity and the 
well being for everyone in the house.  One day at a time, one foot in 
front of the other...

Nina

wendy wrote:


Hey Nina,

How are you doing today?  I am trying to get caught up
on my email.  It's so hard to keep up with it if you
miss a day or two, you know?  Duh, of course you know!
lol  


I was really sorry to hear about little Spencer, and
his slow decline.  It is SO hard to watch that.  I
went through it with Cricket, and it broke my heart
every day to see him like that.  I felt so damn
helpless.  I loved your story about how he reached his
paw out and touched your face.  How sweet!!!

I will definitely say prayers for Matilda and Starman
and the rest of your clan, as well as Spencer, that
all remains peaceful, if not well, in your home.  I
will also pray for strength and wisdom for you and
Bruce.  Take care Nina!

:)
Wendy

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Re: To Nina

[Nina]

Aw Karen, I'm glad you know that you are not alone. We do all 
understand, knowing that helps when we're in such pain, but grieving is 
something that we each have to do in our own way, in our own time. Many 
blessings to you. I know right now it seems the hole in your heart will 
never be healed. It helps me to send love to the pain and to sooth my 
sorrow with the knowledge that I was there for them, that we touched 
each other's life in a way no one else could. Angel loves you and 
appreciates all your efforts and care. She's cocking her little head at 
your sorrow and wishing she could put her paw on your face to let you 
know she's safe, happy and healthy now. Be open to a sign from her, it 
will come.

Nina

kandbz_ mom wrote:

I really enjoyed your story and pictures of Molly and Flash. They were 
young sweeties also, so you know how I'm feeling right now.

Thanks,
Karen


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Re: To Nina and others who read this thread: male calico and black girl kittens

[FORGETMENOTPETS]

YES NORTHERN STATES
northern states and California seem to care. Is that  why I am so 
fanatical about animal rights cause I am a Yankee?
Guess it doesn't matter. I have to remain positive and move on. I have 
babies here that need homes. I cant change all the attitudes but I can change 
some and every little bit helps.

Re: To Nina and others who read this thread: male calico and black girl kittens

[Tad Burnett]

Hey Karen
   I just want to add that I know of 3 county shelters that took the
time themselves
to find special homes for FeLV+ cats... Road Island, New York State and
my own
Vermont... 
Tad

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  
  
  I know Carrie personally and I am shocked and surprised. You
know I am disappointed with this entire state and the attitude towards
animals. Animal controls shooting strays, gas chambers.just the
fact you can shoot a dog if its  treat to chickens...why I am surprised
they have this attitude towards positives I will never know. I don't
know any rescue people in this area with a open mind about positives.
But then again Texas executes more people then the next five states
combined. Its about time they come out of the dark ages. I am moving
back east to be with my kids and hopefully its still the south but
maybe they will have a better attitude. I offered to fly my vet on my
buddy passes to a felv seminar and he declined. They simply are not
interested. I am from NY and they say we are cold and cruel but never
in my life have I ever been in a state that has little regard for human
or animal life. Write a hot check any you wont see the light of day for
a long time but commit animal abuse and you might get
probation.sorry for venting. I watched the news last night about a
guy with a bunch of wolf hybrids. breeding them of course. They had
films of the wolves fightingthe great state of Texas has declared
that "they are just being wolves and doing the same thing they would be
doing in the wild." mean while the neighbors cant get any sleep with
all the noise. BREEDING WOLVES NEEDS TO BE ILLEGAL. There is something
seriously wrong with these people. The state seems to think if they
have food water and shade the man has a right to make a living.
  God help these people for they know not what they do. 
  Karen
   
  God help them all
  

Re: To Nina and others who read this thread: male calico and black girlkittens

[Kat]

Sleep soft dear little calico male and black female kitties...

You are now playing with our other precious fur-kids,
delighting the angels with your antics and your love.

Kat (Mew Jersey)

On Thu, 13 Jul 2006, wendy wrote:

> Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 09:44:15 -0700 (PDT)
> From: wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: To Nina and others who read this thread: male calico and black
> girlkittens
>
> I called the woman who posted about the calico male
> and black female and she runs a rescue in Arlington,
> right next to Dallas.  I was upset that she left her
> post the way she did (ie. "it's over").  She told me
> that she did pts the kittens, which of course, upset
> me to hear.  I asked her to please not leave us
> hanging like that again as it was upsetting for us to
> read that and not know what she meant.  I could hear
> in her voice a lot of frustration at trying to get
> them adopted out and that one of her personal cats had
> contracted the FeLV from the kittens, according to
> her.  She had bottle fed the two kittens and had had
> them for a year, so she was clearly upset about the
> situation.  She did not want to pts and said that she
> had tried to get them adopted out for months, but was
> concerned for all the other cats.  She did say that
> later an IFA showed that her personal cat was
> negative, so that's a good thing.  I told her a little
> about what we've found out here about FeLV and urged
> her to post back if she came across any more FeLV
> positives in her rescue before pts.  I know this will
> put your minds a little at rest, unrestfully.  I hope
> we don't get anymore of these posts because they are
> upsetting!
>
> Wendy
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Re: To Nina and others who read this thread: male calico and black girl kittens

[FORGETMENOTPETS]

I know Carrie personally and I am shocked and surprised. You know I am 
disappointed with this entire state and the attitude towards animals. Animal 
controls shooting strays, gas chambers.just the fact you can shoot a dog if 
its  treat to chickens...why I am surprised they have this attitude towards 
positives I will never know. I don't know any rescue people in this area with a 
open mind about positives. But then again Texas executes more people then the 
next five states combined. Its about time they come out of the dark ages. I am 
moving back east to be with my kids and hopefully its still the south but maybe 
they will have a better attitude. I offered to fly my vet on my buddy passes to 
a felv seminar and he declined. They simply are not interested. I am from NY and 
they say we are cold and cruel but never in my life have I ever been in a state 
that has little regard for human or animal life. Write a hot check any you wont 
see the light of day for a long time but commit animal abuse and you might get 
probation.sorry for venting. I watched the news last night about a guy with 
a bunch of wolf hybrids. breeding them of course. They had films of the wolves 
fightingthe great state of Texas has declared that "they are just being 
wolves and doing the same thing they would be doing in the wild." mean while the 
neighbors cant get any sleep with all the noise. BREEDING WOLVES NEEDS TO BE 
ILLEGAL. There is something seriously wrong with these people. The state seems 
to think if they have food water and shade the man has a right to make a 
living.
God help these people for they know not what they do. 
Karen
 
God help them all

Re: to Nina

[felv]

A far worse thing for dental health in cats is the fact that most people 
don't take their cats into the vet for annual tooth scaling. What makes wet food 
so bad is that people feed it, and then don't provide proper tooth care. Wet 
food alone is NOT the culprit. With dry food, it is less apt to cause issues in 
cats that go YEARS without dental care. Feeding your cat a few dry "dental" 
treats (or RAW bones) is all that is needed to remove wet food goo from the 
teeth, or, if you're really into it, and care about dental health, they DO make 
cat tooth brushes and toothpaste.
Phaewryn
 
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Re: To Nina - Virbagen Omega

[Nina]

Hi Marlene,
Yes, your post did make it, (to my inbox at least!), yesterday.  Thank
you for the clarifications, my understanding was much more general in
nature.  I didn't realize it's shelf life after reconstitution was at
least 3 weeks!  That's very good news.  I don't think I'd test that
claim, but it would certainly take the anxiety out of using it the
second day.

I'm very glad to hear Pekoe seems to be feeling better.  I hope you are
able to procure and afford the IO.  You're guess is as good as mine as
to whether it will make any difference to Pekoe's condition, but when
my kids where failing, the prospect of having an additional avenue of
treatment that might help, and couldn't hurt, was more than worth a try.

Kisses and head butts to Pekoe, hugs to you,
Nina


Marlene Chornie wrote:

  
  
  
  (Sent this post yesterday, but it didn't show up??)
  
   
  
  
  
  Hi Nina,
   
      The statement about a cat being "refractory" to interferon
therapy - I believe means that they simply do not respond to it.  Some
more info I got from my vet (she obtained it from the Virbagen Omega
website which appeared to be accessible only to vets) -
   
      The only side effects that could be observed in large scale
field trials were slight and transient vomiting and fatigue during the
injections.  These side effects were very rare and disappeared soon
after the injections.  No local reaction at the injection site (SC
route) has ever been observed during clinical field studies.    
   
      Shelf Life - 2 years.  The product should be used
immediately after reconstitution.
   
      Special precautions for storage - Store and
transport at 4 degrees C (+ or - 2 degrees C).  Do not freeze.
   
      Studies have demonstrated a stability of the molecule up to
3 weeks minimum at +4 degrees C.  Nevertheless, taking into
consideration the fact that there is no preservative in the formulation
of the product, the risk of contamination with fungus or bacteria
exists.  Nevertheless, if injections are performed in asepsis
conditions (sterile needles ...), the risk of contamination will be
minimum.
   
      Feline Omega Interferon is a glycoprotein which is very
stable in general.  After resuspension, stability studies showed that
the solution was stable for at least 3 weeks at +4 degrees C. 
According to knowledge on the molecule, it does not seem there is any
risk linked to freezing the solution.  Nevertheless, precise data
concerning this type of storage are not available to date.  In any
case, several cycles of freezing-thawing are not recommended.
   
  Marlene
  Pekoe & Angel Digby

Re: To Nina - Virbagen Omega

[Marlene Chornie]

(Sent this post yesterday, but it didn't show up??)

 

Hi Nina,
 
    The statement about a cat being "refractory" to 
interferon therapy - I believe means that they simply do not respond to 
it.  Some more info I got from my vet (she obtained it from the Virbagen 
Omega website which appeared to be accessible only to vets) -
 
    The only side effects that could be observed in large 
scale field trials were slight and transient vomiting and fatigue during the 
injections.  These side effects were very rare and disappeared soon after 
the injections.  No local reaction at the injection site (SC route) has 
ever been observed during clinical field studies.    
 
    Shelf Life - 2 years.  The product should be 
used immediately after reconstitution.
 
    Special precautions for storage - Store and 
transport at 4 degrees C (+ or - 2 degrees C).  Do not freeze.
 
    Studies have demonstrated a stability of the molecule up 
to 3 weeks minimum at +4 degrees C.  Nevertheless, taking into 
consideration the fact that there is no preservative in the formulation of the 
product, the risk of contamination with fungus or bacteria exists.  
Nevertheless, if injections are performed in asepsis conditions (sterile needles 
...), the risk of contamination will be minimum.
 
    Feline Omega Interferon is a glycoprotein which is very 
stable in general.  After resuspension, stability studies showed that the 
solution was stable for at least 3 weeks at +4 degrees C.  According to 
knowledge on the molecule, it does not seem there is any risk linked to freezing 
the solution.  Nevertheless, precise data concerning this type of storage 
are not available to date.  In any case, several cycles of freezing-thawing 
are not recommended.
 
Marlene
Pekoe & Angel Digby

Re: To Nina - Virbagen Omega

[Nina]

Hi Paolo,
My vet did finally get to speak to someone at the manufacture's who told 
her that it was recommended to use it directly after reconstitution 
because of fears of contamination, not because it would lose it's 
effectiveness.  I did end up using it in this way, making sure to cover 
the top of the bottle with a plastic wrapped alcohol soaked pad.  I 
didn't have much choice given the cost and length it took to get the 
stuff.  I always used a fresh needle whenever puncturing the vial top. 

If you remember, Grace also did great after the first administration, 
but then she relapsed later.  Sadly, it wasn't the "cure" I'd hoped for, 
but it did help her fight off illness for a long time.  Perhaps if we 
had been able to give it to her sooner...  Who knows.

Nina

Paolo wrote:


Nina,

given orally, Virbagen Omega would work exactly like the human interferon
that so many people on the list administer orally... considered the cost
and the difficulties to get Feline Interferon in the USA, there is simply
no reason for doing so! The protocol (1MU/kg for 5 consecutive days) was
taken from a clinical double-blind trial carried on by Mahl, Maynard
et al. It was tested under strictly controlled conditions, and it did
work. I do not mean in any way that, since Micia did great (and I mean
really G-R-E-A-T!) after a single cycle, others may not need the cycles
at days 14 and 60: that was simply my personal experience. But the dose
of 1MU/kg is absolutely right. The other thing, Nina, if you remember my
past messages about this, is that differently from human interferon,
Virbagen Omega CANNOT be stored in the refrigerator once reconstituted,
because it does not contain any preservative: it must be used immediately,
if you try to save if for the day after, you spoil it of its power.

Paolo