Re: [Felvtalk] seeking advice for treating FeLV positive old CKD -from tonya
Hi Catherine, I'm not on list very much. I have had a felv positive cat since 2001. No one ever 'caught' it from her. 2 years ago I took in 2 kittens with genetic problems. One has chronic herpes in her eye and never grew to a normal size. I vaccinated them and boostered them before bringing in with my other cats. They are still negative. My felv cat and my next oldest cat are not in great health. I watch their numbers (get blood checked). Neither has kidney problems yet, but vet told me that's the way most indoor cats die. And I've known it to be true with my negative cats. I don't think I would give felv vacination to a cat who is already sick, or the other cat who is negative. That cat will stay negative. Also, if they both had vaccine and booster (on time) when they were young, I don't think a booster would make a difference. People don't keep getting measles, mumps, chicken pox vaccinations over and over. And if you happen to still get the mumps (like I did) they didn't give me a new mumps vaccination. Unless I've missed something in this thread, I would go through archives and look for vitamins, herbs, special foods, etc... that others have used. I would put them both on a kidney diet. (My vet just told me that the Prescription kidney diets are starting to change so I'm not sure which one I'd use. Research it.) I would also make sure both cats drink lots and lots of water. When I change a bowl, my oldest cat drinks. So I change it every time I walk by. With 2 cats you could get a fountain. If possible, go to wet food if that's not what you're using. I would fatten up if they are thin. L-Lysine, Vitamin C, Fish oil, for sure. I don't post often, as I said. Add my name to subject line if you have question for me. I wish you the best of luck. Tonya From: Sharon Catalan scata...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 7:15 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] seeking advice for treating FeLV positive old CKD cats with the new drugs Hello Catherine, My cat Mr Gray is about 14 years old. 3 years ago, he was diagnosed with Felv. He gets regular shots of Felv and today, he's healthier than ever. Try it. It may lengthen the life of your kitty. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 24, 2013, at 12:46 PM, I-Chun C. C. Chang changic...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Felvalk friends, I am very new to this group and was hoping to get some advice for the treatment about my currently very sick cat. My cat is 16 years old, who came to the States with me 6 years ago. I got her when she was 7 (she was abandoned by the previous house owner...) After I got her, she was tested twice negative for FeLV and vaccinated for four years. From then she has been a totally indoor cat. I later adopted another cat, who was also tested negative twice and vaccinated for three years. From then on, since they have been complete indoor apartment cats with no exposure to other cats and the little one always got some reaction to the vaccine, we stopped vaccinating them for FeLV. Last Friday, my 16 years old cat was getting weak, my husband and I rushed her to the ER and were told that she was in sever anemia (pcv less than 10%) due to her chronic kidney disease. Two blood transfusions has been done, but her response to blood transfusions was poor. Doctors then concerned that not only her red blood cell count is low, her white blood cell count is also very low. So the doctors ran the FeLV test again on Tuesday, and it came back positive (!!) (we also rushed our younger one for test yesterday; but he stays negative, and we added a booster vaccine on him). We are getting our 16 years old back tonight. Doctors implicitly has mentioned that FeLV has no cure, plus her Kidney situation (late stage CKD), she may not live long... we were also suggested to consider putting her into sleep soon. But I luckily found last night there is this emailist, and on the website there are several drugs listed for possible treatment plans: ImmunoRegulin, Acemannan, Interferon Alpha etc. Do anyone in this emaillist have experience about treatment on old FeLV cat with CKD by using these new drugs? If yes, may I learn your experience? I really don't want to lose my girl in this way.I am getting my degree soon, and do hope at least I can have her come back to my home country with me... Sorry for such a long email, and thank you very much! I. Catherine ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Losing Kitties reply to Tonya
Tonya, Wow! I didn't know that FeLV cats could live as long as your cats have! That's amazing. As you've stated, you never really know how long you'll have with them. What cute names you've chosen for your felines! I don't know if I mentioned it before, but I got my second cat (that died recently) from our vet as well. They rescued him and suggested that I may want to take him in because I already had a FeLV positive cat. They were just as upset as I was when Parker passed away. My vet buried him in his yard and got him a headstone. He was one loved kitty! I do plan on taking in another positive someday (hopefully sooner rather than later!). I need a little bit more time to adjust to the loss of Parker, but want to rescue another one. I've been looking at this group's adoption page as well as Petfinder (under special needs cats) to see what next cat may need my help. Thanks again for your support and response. Take care, Amber Welcome to the group. I'm sorry for your loss, but thank you for taking in positive cats. Unfortunately with this disease you just never know when or if they are ever going to get sick from the felv. I have a 10 year old positive here with me as I type right now. My first positive died around 8 years old. Others have lived lives into the high teens. The bad thing about it is that when it hits, it can hit fast, as you have discovered. I don't know about the new med.s. My cat is asymptomatic, so I don't give her any medicines, additives, etc just a good diet and a stress free (as possible) environment. My girl DD was left at my vet's office and my vet talked me into taking her because I already had a positive cat. Vet's call dropped off animals door dumps and I named her DD because my first positive cat was CC (because I found her living behind a coke machine). DD RULES my house. Your positive cat could have many years ahead of her. I hope you'll consider taking in another positive. :) thank you! tonya _ Access your email online and on the go with Windows Live Hotmail. http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_access_112008 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Losing Kitties reply to Tonya
Ask Parker to send you the right one..honest. A month after Dixie left this world, she sent me a kitten from the same pine thicket she came fromhe was very little so, two weeks later, she sent me another...they are 6 months old and weigh in at around 8 1/2 pounds apiece.well, they were little when she picked them out. Parker will send you the right cat or cats if you ask him. The cat may not be what you think you want but it will definitely be exactly the right little fellow. On Dec 1, 2008, at 7:12 PM, Amber Gilewski wrote: Tonya, Wow! I didn't know that FeLV cats could live as long as your cats have! That's amazing. As you've stated, you never really know how long you'll have with them. What cute names you've chosen for your felines! I don't know if I mentioned it before, but I got my second cat (that died recently) from our vet as well. They rescued him and suggested that I may want to take him in because I already had a FeLV positive cat. They were just as upset as I was when Parker passed away. My vet buried him in his yard and got him a headstone. He was one loved kitty! I do plan on taking in another positive someday (hopefully sooner rather than later!). I need a little bit more time to adjust to the loss of Parker, but want to rescue another one. I've been looking at this group's adoption page as well as Petfinder (under special needs cats) to see what next cat may need my help. Thanks again for your support and response. Take care, Amber Welcome to the group. I'm sorry for your loss, but thank you for taking in positive cats. Unfortunately with this disease you just never know when or if they are ever going to get sick from the felv. I have a 10 year old positive here with me as I type right now. My first positive died around 8 years old. Others have lived lives into the high teens. The bad thing about it is that when it hits, it can hit fast, as you have discovered. I don't know about the new med.s. My cat is asymptomatic, so I don't give her any medicines, additives, etc just a good diet and a stress free (as possible) environment. My girl DD was left at my vet's office and my vet talked me into taking her because I already had a positive cat. Vet's call dropped off animals door dumps and I named her DD because my first positive cat was CC (because I found her living behind a coke machine). DD RULES my house. Your positive cat could have many years ahead of her. I hope you'll consider taking in another positive. :) thank you! tonya _ Access your email online and on the go with Windows Live Hotmail. http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_access_112008 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org Marylyn, Copper Thomas ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] ot-next problem (Tonya)
Thanks Wendy, I 'think' we are getting a medication routine going. It's hard to tell if he's eating because he won't eat in front of me. But he feels like he's gaining weight. He's still interested in treats. We're retesting in a couple of weeks, and unless things look good I'm going to go to the ear gel. Shaft is 18 years old, so I don't think he's a good candidate for the surgery. :( tonya wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Tonya, I lost my 18 yr. old Julie to hyperT/kidney failure in December. Instead of trying to chase Shaft for oral meds, I would suggest trying the transdermal Tapazole/Methimazole. I ordered Julie's through Pet Health Pharmacy online; they are very reasonable compared to my vet/other pharmacies price-wise and have great service and customer service. The transdermal can be rubbed into the tip of Shaft's ear, which is SOO much easier than trying to pill! You will probably have to adjust and readjust dosing, as the hyperT is never completely cured. The meds just regulate the progression of the disease, slowing it down. I belonged to the hyperT group for two+ years and learned a lot there. One of the problems with the meds is often overdosing of meds. Many vets prescribe 5 mg 2x daily when starting doses should only be 1.25 to 2.5 mg 2x daily. The meds have to be given every 12 hours because they are out of the system after about 12 hours. The other thing you can consider is the radioactive iodine (I-131) treatment. It's expensive; anywhere from $800 to $2000 depending on what part of the U.S. you have the treatment done in. It's a cure, when it works, which is often. It kills the bad cells in the thyroid and leaves the good cells alone. Had I had the money and had Julie not had kidney issues as well and had she been younger, I would have most assuredly gone with this treatment. Hyper T often masks kidney disease, so often people find they are dealing with CRF as well as hyperT once the hyperT is regulated, and if this is the case, you often have to balance to two with the meds, meaning you can't fully treat the hyperT, as the kidney's act up. If Shaft does have CRF after you get him regulated (you'll need to have his bloodwork done 4-6 hours after dosing with Tapazole/Methamizole to check both kidneys and T4 level, about 2 weeks after meds have been started), then subQ fluids are a must. The hyperT Yahoo group is great. Also, heart murmur is often caused by overworking thyroid, so that can disappear/improve after hyperT is regulated with meds. Hope this helps Shaft! :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 10:26:08 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] ot-next problem My cat Shaft has lost nearly half his body weight. Everyone here has been so sick I just didn't realize it until a few weeks ago (a few days before I was leaving for a week's vacation). I got him into the vet suspecting hyper-t as soon as I got back. That's what it was. The vet detected a heart murmer as well. He is an estimated 18 years old. He had a fever and the vet put him on some amoxy for that, as well as the tapazole, of course. Problem. He now hides and I have to chase him around to get any med.s down him. I've given up on everything except the tapazole and he still hides. Should I stress him out with the chase down? Crate him for a while? He doesn't seem to be gaining ANY weight, and I have an appt. with vet again on Monday. We were supposed to wait a month, but he's getting worse, not better. Does anyone have the link to join the hyper-t group or any other advice? I am quickly losing my mind. la la la la. t ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] ot-next problem (Tonya)
Hey Tonya, Glad you guys are getting some type of routine down. It's funny how hard that can be sometimes, especially with all that you also have going on personally. Keep us posted on Shaft. I hope when he goes for his testing his numbers are in the normal range, and not still hyperT or hypoT. :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 2:47:00 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] ot-next problem (Tonya) Thanks Wendy, I 'think' we are getting a medication routine going. It's hard to tell if he's eating because he won't eat in front of me. But he feels like he's gaining weight. He's still interested in treats. We're retesting in a couple of weeks, and unless things look good I'm going to go to the ear gel. Shaft is 18 years old, so I don't think he's a good candidate for the surgery. :( tonya wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Tonya, I lost my 18 yr. old Julie to hyperT/kidney failure in December. Instead of trying to chase Shaft for oral meds, I would suggest trying the transdermal Tapazole/Methimazole. I ordered Julie's through Pet Health Pharmacy online; they are very reasonable compared to my vet/other pharmacies price-wise and have great service and customer service. The transdermal can be rubbed into the tip of Shaft's ear, which is SOO much easier than trying to pill! You will probably have to adjust and readjust dosing, as the hyperT is never completely cured. The meds just regulate the progression of the disease, slowing it down. I belonged to the hyperT group for two+ years and learned a lot there. One of the problems with the meds is often overdosing of meds. Many vets prescribe 5 mg 2x daily when starting doses should only be 1.25 to 2.5 mg 2x daily. The meds have to be given every 12 hours because they are out of the system after about 12 hours. The other thing you can consider is the radioactive iodine (I-131) treatment. It's expensive; anywhere from $800 to $2000 depending on what part of the U.S. you have the treatment done in. It's a cure, when it works, which is often. It kills the bad cells in the thyroid and leaves the good cells alone. Had I had the money and had Julie not had kidney issues as well and had she been younger, I would have most assuredly gone with this treatment. Hyper T often masks kidney disease, so often people find they are dealing with CRF as well as hyperT once the hyperT is regulated, and if this is the case, you often have to balance to two with the meds, meaning you can't fully treat the hyperT, as the kidney's act up. If Shaft does have CRF after you get him regulated (you'll need to have his bloodwork done 4-6 hours after dosing with Tapazole/Methamizole to check both kidneys and T4 level, about 2 weeks after meds have been started), then subQ fluids are a must. The hyperT Yahoo group is great. Also, heart murmur is often caused by overworking thyroid, so that can disappear/improve after hyperT is regulated with meds. Hope this helps Shaft! :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 10:26:08 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] ot-next problem My cat Shaft has lost nearly half his body weight. Everyone here has been so sick I just didn't realize it until a few weeks ago (a few days before I was leaving for a week's vacation). I got him into the vet suspecting hyper-t as soon as I got back. That's what it was. The vet detected a heart murmer as well. He is an estimated 18 years old. He had a fever and the vet put him on some amoxy for that, as well as the tapazole, of course. Problem. He now hides and I have to chase him around to get any med.s down him. I've given up on everything except the tapazole and he still hides. Should I stress him out with the chase down? Crate him for a while? He doesn't seem to be gaining ANY weight, and I have an appt. with vet again on Monday. We were supposed to wait a month, but he's getting worse, not better. Does anyone have the link to join the hyper-t group or any other advice? I am quickly losing my mind. la la la la. t ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] ot-next problem (Tonya)
Hey Tonya, I lost my 18 yr. old Julie to hyperT/kidney failure in December. Instead of trying to chase Shaft for oral meds, I would suggest trying the transdermal Tapazole/Methimazole. I ordered Julie's through Pet Health Pharmacy online; they are very reasonable compared to my vet/other pharmacies price-wise and have great service and customer service. The transdermal can be rubbed into the tip of Shaft's ear, which is SOO much easier than trying to pill! You will probably have to adjust and readjust dosing, as the hyperT is never completely cured. The meds just regulate the progression of the disease, slowing it down. I belonged to the hyperT group for two+ years and learned a lot there. One of the problems with the meds is often overdosing of meds. Many vets prescribe 5 mg 2x daily when starting doses should only be 1.25 to 2.5 mg 2x daily. The meds have to be given every 12 hours because they are out of the system after about 12 hours. The other thing you can consider is the radioactive iodine (I-131) treatment. It's expensive; anywhere from $800 to $2000 depending on what part of the U.S. you have the treatment done in. It's a cure, when it works, which is often. It kills the bad cells in the thyroid and leaves the good cells alone. Had I had the money and had Julie not had kidney issues as well and had she been younger, I would have most assuredly gone with this treatment. Hyper T often masks kidney disease, so often people find they are dealing with CRF as well as hyperT once the hyperT is regulated, and if this is the case, you often have to balance to two with the meds, meaning you can't fully treat the hyperT, as the kidney's act up. If Shaft does have CRF after you get him regulated (you'll need to have his bloodwork done 4-6 hours after dosing with Tapazole/Methamizole to check both kidneys and T4 level, about 2 weeks after meds have been started), then subQ fluids are a must. The hyperT Yahoo group is great. Also, heart murmur is often caused by overworking thyroid, so that can disappear/improve after hyperT is regulated with meds. Hope this helps Shaft! :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 10:26:08 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] ot-next problem My cat Shaft has lost nearly half his body weight. Everyone here has been so sick I just didn't realize it until a few weeks ago (a few days before I was leaving for a week's vacation). I got him into the vet suspecting hyper-t as soon as I got back. That's what it was. The vet detected a heart murmer as well. He is an estimated 18 years old. He had a fever and the vet put him on some amoxy for that, as well as the tapazole, of course. Problem. He now hides and I have to chase him around to get any med.s down him. I've given up on everything except the tapazole and he still hides. Should I stress him out with the chase down? Crate him for a while? He doesn't seem to be gaining ANY weight, and I have an appt. with vet again on Monday. We were supposed to wait a month, but he's getting worse, not better. Does anyone have the link to join the hyper-t group or any other advice? I am quickly losing my mind. la la la la. t ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: to Tonya
Hey Jane, She had one uri when she was around 2, but that's all. I don't do anything special for her. I just watch her carefully. She overgrooms and I've had no luck getting her to stop that. tonya Jane Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tonya 8 years seems so hopeful. Have there been times when he was symptomatic and struggled. Please tell me how you have cared for him. Jane On Jun 17, 2007, at 12:06 PM, catatonya wrote: Hi Laura, I'm in Georgia too. Where are you? My positive is 8 years old and going strong right now. tonya Laura
to Tonya
Tonya 8 years seems so hopeful. Have there been times when he was symptomatic and struggled. Please tell me how you have cared for him. Jane On Jun 17, 2007, at 12:06 PM, catatonya wrote: Hi Laura, I'm in Georgia too. Where are you? My positive is 8 years old and going strong right now. tonya Laura
OT: To Tonya : Re: my experience with pits.....
Hey Tonya, I'm sorry I have been so late in answering your post. I am too darn busy right now for my own good! No, the dog does not chase the other dogs or the cats. Her ears kind of perk up when she sees the cats run by, but that's it. She's VERY docile, but does play with our other puppy, who's about a year and a half now. He's an Akita mix. We also thought our female Akita mix would not get along with her, but the three seem to get along fine surprisingly. She's just so quiet right now. All she wants to do is sleep when we let her in. She sleeps so hard, she snores. I think she went through hell before we found her, because of the way she acts. When my husband walks her though, she's great. Better than the other two troublemakers. lol. We need to take her to the vet to get her fixed, but have just not had the money. We plan on taking her in the next three weeks, or sooner if by some magical chance, a few hundred dollars drops into our laps. I can send out some pics to anyone who's interested in seeing her and maybe you guys can tell me if you think she's a pit bull. I think she looks a lot like a Staffordshire (sp?) pit. :) Wendy --- catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't be so sure wendy. Everyone I showed pics of the dog I found said 'pit', but then the vet and pit rescue said he was NOT a pit. Does this dog act aggressive toward your other dogs? Does he chase the cats? t wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: P.S. We are absolutely sure she's a Pit Bull. She might be mixed, but her head is unmistakably pit bull. :) Wendy --- Nina wrote: Hi Wendy, I'm glad your rescue girl is in out of danger and sleeping soundly. I do wonder about her puppies though. Life can be so tough sometimes. Unfortunately I have to second Karen's input on Pits. (Congratulations on placing the pos today Karen!). You probably know me well enough to understand how it pains me to generalize about any breed, but Pits have the rep they do for a reason. I have met plenty of of lovable ones, but they have to be well trained and adhere to a different kind of interaction than say, a Golden Retriever. I don't specialize in aggression problems, but I've seen dogs that wag their entire bodies when they greet you, turn mighty ugly mighty fast when matched with an owner that isn't alpha enough to influence their behavior sufficiently. Any breed of dog can have these problems, but this is a breed that is known for them. Esp since you have no idea of her history, you'll need to stay alert and help her understand that you are capable of making decisions in order to insure everyone is safe. Are you absolutely sure that she's Pit x and not something else? Perhaps Boxer, or Lab? I much prefer to see Pit Bulls placed in an 'only pet' home with no children situation. If the vet thinks she's a Pit Bull, I would contact the Pit Bull rescue in your area and see if they are willing to help you place this girl. It's a good sign that she's not immediately fence fighting with your other dogs, but it could just be because she's worn out and is waiting to feel out the situation. I've also heard about Thyroid problems causing sudden aggression, I wish I could remember the details involved, you can probably Google it and find out more. She was sent to you for a reason. Just be careful and think carefully about making a long-term commitment to her. You may just be meant to be the go-between in finding her true forever home. Good luck sweetie and thank you for helping her. Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Phaewryn and all, Well I have been doing dog and until recently pit rescue for 20 some years. I am afraid I do not agree. I had a pit from weaning till 4 1/2 years and she turned or developed sudden rage. A beloved indoor family fully vetted dog became a killer in 6 months. I also have a foster who was attacked by her own pit with injuries including 26 staples in her head. Also from a dog with sudden rage syndrome. Never no matter how long you have them trust a pit completely. They were born and bred to kill and that is what they do best. My pit Judas used to help me potty bottle baby kittens,. then started chewing up pups. When you get yours checked please include a test for lyme and thyroid.another major cause of aggression in pits and other breeds of dogs. A rescued pit needs lots of training love patience and RESPECT. I have only read a few of these emails we had petco adoptions all weekend but good luck with the pit. BY THE WAY ALL I PLACE A FIV POSITIVE CAT TODAY WHO WILL HAVE A FIV BUDDY TO HANG WITH. KAREN Get your email and see which of your
RE: To Tonya : Re: my experience with pits.....
Send me some picts---have a friend who is a resident pit expert! Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of wendy Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 2:18 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: OT: To Tonya : Re: my experience with pits. Hey Tonya, I'm sorry I have been so late in answering your post. I am too darn busy right now for my own good! No, the dog does not chase the other dogs or the cats. Her ears kind of perk up when she sees the cats run by, but that's it. She's VERY docile, but does play with our other puppy, who's about a year and a half now. He's an Akita mix. We also thought our female Akita mix would not get along with her, but the three seem to get along fine surprisingly. She's just so quiet right now. All she wants to do is sleep when we let her in. She sleeps so hard, she snores. I think she went through hell before we found her, because of the way she acts. When my husband walks her though, she's great. Better than the other two troublemakers. lol. We need to take her to the vet to get her fixed, but have just not had the money. We plan on taking her in the next three weeks, or sooner if by some magical chance, a few hundred dollars drops into our laps. I can send out some pics to anyone who's interested in seeing her and maybe you guys can tell me if you think she's a pit bull. I think she looks a lot like a Staffordshire (sp?) pit. :) Wendy --- catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't be so sure wendy. Everyone I showed pics of the dog I found said 'pit', but then the vet and pit rescue said he was NOT a pit. Does this dog act aggressive toward your other dogs? Does he chase the cats? t wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: P.S. We are absolutely sure she's a Pit Bull. She might be mixed, but her head is unmistakably pit bull. :) Wendy --- Nina wrote: Hi Wendy, I'm glad your rescue girl is in out of danger and sleeping soundly. I do wonder about her puppies though. Life can be so tough sometimes. Unfortunately I have to second Karen's input on Pits. (Congratulations on placing the pos today Karen!). You probably know me well enough to understand how it pains me to generalize about any breed, but Pits have the rep they do for a reason. I have met plenty of of lovable ones, but they have to be well trained and adhere to a different kind of interaction than say, a Golden Retriever. I don't specialize in aggression problems, but I've seen dogs that wag their entire bodies when they greet you, turn mighty ugly mighty fast when matched with an owner that isn't alpha enough to influence their behavior sufficiently. Any breed of dog can have these problems, but this is a breed that is known for them. Esp since you have no idea of her history, you'll need to stay alert and help her understand that you are capable of making decisions in order to insure everyone is safe. Are you absolutely sure that she's Pit x and not something else? Perhaps Boxer, or Lab? I much prefer to see Pit Bulls placed in an 'only pet' home with no children situation. If the vet thinks she's a Pit Bull, I would contact the Pit Bull rescue in your area and see if they are willing to help you place this girl. It's a good sign that she's not immediately fence fighting with your other dogs, but it could just be because she's worn out and is waiting to feel out the situation. I've also heard about Thyroid problems causing sudden aggression, I wish I could remember the details involved, you can probably Google it and find out more. She was sent to you for a reason. Just be careful and think carefully about making a long-term commitment to her. You may just be meant to be the go-between in finding her true forever home. Good luck sweetie and thank you for helping her. Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Phaewryn and all, Well I have been doing dog and until recently pit rescue for 20 some years. I am afraid I do not agree. I had a pit from weaning till 4 1/2 years and she turned or developed sudden rage. A beloved indoor family fully vetted dog became a killer in 6 months. I also have a foster who was attacked by her own pit with injuries including 26 staples in her head. Also from a dog with sudden rage syndrome. Never no matter how long you have them trust a pit completely. They were born and bred to kill and that is what they do best. My pit Judas used to help me potty bottle baby kittens,. then started chewing up pups. When you get yours checked please include a test for lyme and thyroid.another major cause of aggression in pits and other breeds of dogs. A rescued pit needs lots of training love patience and RESPECT. I have only read a few
Re: TO TONYA re: timing on FeLV+ test
That''s great news!!Kathi Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for your interest and concern. I'm very happy to say that the IFA's on Oreo AND Ellie were negative!!! Ellie's first IFA in June was positive. The vet is flabbergasted that it came back negative. I don't know how much stock I should put into the Mega C Plus that I ordered online but I gave it to both Ellie and Oreo and here they are negative. Here's the link to an article on Mega C Plus. Within the article, you can click on the "blue" Mega C Plus to order.http://www.belfield.com/article2.htmlEllie is back with the others now and I have a very happy household. Blessings to all of you out there and I pray that only good news comes your way!From: catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: TO TONYA re: timing on FeLV+ testDate: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 20:00:07 -0700 (PDT)I'm way behind on my mail, but let me know how the tests turn out. It sounds like Oreo was exposed, tested positive, and then fought off the virus. If that is the case, then, NO, he won't get it again. Good luck! t
Re: To Tonya Re: Sharing price information
I mean expensive. lol. I'll get out some bills and post them to you when I get a chance. twendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you mean expensive or extensive?! lol...Send it to me; I'm compiling today but don't have muchto compile just yet.:)Wendy--- catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: Is anyone going to gather this information? If so I'll be glad to send mine. Mine is quite expensive. t [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm in a Milwaukee, WI suburb one of the vets we go to charges 115 for a senior wellness profile, 24 for the exam, 14 for a fecal, 50 for an X-ray, 32 for a snap test, 10 for ear cleaning, 14 for distemper vac. The cat-only clinic we go to is comparable in its rates, higher on some items, lower on others. I don't know what they currently charge for spay/neuter, b/c it's been 5 years since I've had to have that done. If I remember correctly, dentals at the cat only clinic are usually b/t 100-200, depending on if extractions were needed, etc. Yvonne In a message dated 10/9/2006 11:06:33 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is there a way we can give a geographical location and some basic ideas of what we pay for specific procedures, for example here several of the vets charge 165 for a senior panel,,,the SNAP combo test ranges for 39 to 60,,,A CBC is about 50,,Spay can go from 50 to 200Dentals from 100 to 400. I would like to compile something that could benefit others so they can see common prices and ranges in different areas and perhaps find a more cost efficient local vet.. I am in the Central Valley ( Fresno) of California. It is an ag based community, Kelly __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: To Tonya Re: Sharing price information
At 05:51 PM 11/1/2006, you wrote: More Price information One of my vets charges 89 for a Jr. Wellness Panel but 30 for an exam. Combo is 30 something, Another vet charges 59 for the Panel but 45 for the exam, Her combo test is 59 senior panel is 165.00 I mean expensive. lol. I'll get out some bills and post them to you when I get a chance. t wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you mean expensive or extensive?! lol... Send it to me; I'm compiling today but don't have much to compile just yet. :) Wendy --- catatonya wrote: Is anyone going to gather this information? If so I'll be glad to send mine. Mine is quite expensive. t [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm in a Milwaukee, WI suburb one of the vets we go to charges 115 for a senior wellness profile, 24 for the exam, 14 for a fecal, 50 for an X-ray, 32 for a snap test, 10 for ear cleaning, 14 for distemper vac. The cat-only clinic we go to is comparable in its rates, higher on some items, lower on others. I don't know what they currently charge for spay/neuter, b/c it's been 5 years since I've had to have that done. If I remember correctly, dentals at the cat only clinic are usually b/t 100-200, depending on if extractions were needed, etc. Yvonne In a message dated 10/9/2006 11:06:33 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is there a way we can give a geographical location and some basic ideas of what we pay for specific procedures, for example here several of the vets charge 165 for a senior panel,,,the SNAP combo test ranges for 39 to 60,,,A CBC is about 50,,Spay can go from 50 to 200Dentals from 100 to 400. I would like to compile something that could benefit others so they can see common prices and ranges in different areas and perhaps find a more cost efficient local vet.. I am in the Central Valley ( Fresno) of California. It is an ag based community, Kelly __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.13.22/512 - Release Date: 11/1/2006
Re: TO TONYA re: timing on FeLV+ test
Thanks for your interest and concern. I'm very happy to say that the IFA's on Oreo AND Ellie were negative!!! Ellie's first IFA in June was positive. The vet is flabbergasted that it came back negative. I don't know how much stock I should put into the Mega C Plus that I ordered online but I gave it to both Ellie and Oreo and here they are negative. Here's the link to an article on Mega C Plus. Within the article, you can click on the blue Mega C Plus to order. http://www.belfield.com/article2.html Ellie is back with the others now and I have a very happy household. Blessings to all of you out there and I pray that only good news comes your way! From: catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: TO TONYA re: timing on FeLV+ test Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 20:00:07 -0700 (PDT) I'm way behind on my mail, but let me know how the tests turn out. It sounds like Oreo was exposed, tested positive, and then fought off the virus. If that is the case, then, NO, he won't get it again. Good luck! t Kathi Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Tonya. I'll try to make this whole thing clearer for you. I had a roommate who brought Ellie with her when she moved in. Kim, my roommate, said she'd been tested for disease but she hadn't been. When she finally had her tested, Ellie tested postive. By that time, all of my cats had been exposed to Ellie and Oreo had a lot of direct contact with Ellie. So I took all 5 of my cats in to be tested on 6/1/06 and only Oreo tested positive, a light positive. On 6/23/06, Oreo had an IFA that was negative, just 22 days later. I had Ellie and Oreo retested this past Friday, 10/13/06. Am anxious to get the results back on Wednesday or Thursday. My vet said this test will be definitive and I can trust these results. I only hope they're negative. Kathi From: catatonya Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: timing on FeLV+ test Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 17:33:50 -0700 (PDT) I'm sorry. I just don't understand. Are you saying Ellie was always positive. She gave it to Oreo and he tested positive, but now he's negative? I don't know if your vet knows what he's doing. If he tested positive on Elissa and then tested negative a month later I take that as a negative. Others on the list know more about this. How and when was Ellie tested, and how do you know that Oreo was negative and caught it from her? I guess I missed your first post. It just doesn't really happen that a negative catches felv from a positive and tests positive and then tests negative and would then 'catch' it again. I guess it could happen, but I have never heard of anything like this. t Kathi Clark wrote: Sorry I'm getting back with you just now. Oreo did get it from Ellie. Oreo was given an IFA test just a month after testing positive on the ELISSA. I understand this vet gave the IFA way too soon, that perhaps the virus didn't have time to even get into the bone marrow. I've been told by another vet that he could still have it because he was re-tested way too soon with the IFA. K From: catatonya Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: timing on FeLV+ test Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 16:20:09 -0700 (PDT) Are you saying Oreo got it from Ellie, but now he doesn't have it any more?? t Kathi Clark wrote: Thanks, Tonya. This has given me something to think about. I haven't had the other ones tested again and I don't think I will. My vet said if she was in my situation she would retest only if I brought them in for an illness on down the road. If Ellie tests negative on the IFA on October 13, I'll mix her with the others. If she doesn't, I may still integrate her. Is that taking a big risk with the 1-year-olds, though? As I said, Oreo, who's 1, became infected by Ellie and I know if I mix the two again, they'll have a great deal of one-on-one contact. Oreo and Connie have a lot of contact now and if Oreo contracts it again, does that put Connie at risk? Sorry so many questions. I'm just a nervous mother and FeLV is so new to me. I would miss Ellie so if I found her another home and would always be worried if she was happy or not and taken care of. I just am concerned that if she has health issues in the future, I can't financially handle the big vet bills. Perhaps someone else who's better off financially could give her a happy home, too. But the odds of finding someone who is better off financially are small, I know. So, it's just wait and see, like everything else in life. I try not to panic anymore. This is the best site. I've learned more from all of you than I have from my vet. I wonder if she knows she shouldn't have tested Ellie with the IFA so soon after the ELISSA. I don't see that vet any longer. Kathi From: catatonya Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk
Re: TO TONYA re: timing on FeLV+ test
I'm way behind on my mail, but let me know how the tests turn out. It sounds like Oreo was exposed, tested positive, and then fought off the virus. If that is the case, then, NO, he won't get it again. Good luck!tKathi Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Tonya. I'll try to make this whole thing clearer for you.I had a roommate who brought Ellie with her when she moved in. Kim, my roommate, said she'd been tested for disease but she hadn't been. When she finally had her tested, Ellie tested postive. By that time, all of my cats had been exposed to Ellie and Oreo had a lot of direct contact with Ellie. So I took all 5 of my cats in to be tested on 6/1/06 and only Oreo tested positive, a light positive. On 6/23/06, Oreo had an IFA that was negative, just 22 days later. I had Ellie and Oreo retested this past Friday, 10/13/06. Am anxious to get the results back on Wednesday or Thursday. My vet said this test will be definitive and I can trust these results. I only hope they're negative.KathiFrom: catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: timing on FeLV+ testDate: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 17:33:50 -0700 (PDT)I'm sorry. I just don't understand. Are you saying Ellie was always positive. She gave it to Oreo and he tested positive, but now he's negative? I don't know if your vet knows what he's doing. If he tested positive on Elissa and then tested negative a month later I take that as a negative. Others on the list know more about this. How and when was Ellie tested, and how do you know that Oreo was negative and caught it from her? I guess I missed your first post. It just doesn't really happen that a negative catches felv from a positive and tests positive and then tests negative and would then 'catch' it again. I guess it could happen, but I have never heard of anything like this. tKathi Clark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: Sorry I'm getting back with you just now.Oreo did get it from Ellie. Oreo was given an IFA test just a month aftertesting positive on the ELISSA. I understand this vet gave the IFA way toosoon, that perhaps the virus didn't have time to even get into the bonemarrow. I've been told by another vet that he could still have it becausehe was re-tested way too soon with the IFA.K From: catatonya Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: timing on FeLV+ test Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 16:20:09 -0700 (PDT) Are you saying Oreo got it from Ellie, but now he doesn't have it any more?? t Kathi Clark wrote: Thanks, Tonya. This has given me something to think about. I haven't had the other ones tested again and I don't think I will. My vet said if she was in my situation she would retest only if I brought them in for an illness on down the road. If Ellie tests negative on the IFA on October 13, I'll mix her with the others. If she doesn't, I may still integrate her. Is that taking a big risk with the 1-year-olds, though? As I said, Oreo, who's 1, became infected by Ellie and I know if I mix the two again, they'll have a great deal of one-on-one contact. Oreo and Connie have a lot of contact now and if Oreo contracts it again, does that put Connie at risk? Sorry so many questions. I'm just a nervous mother and FeLV is so new to me. I would miss Ellie so if I found her another home and would always be worried if she was happy or not and taken care of. I just am concerned that if she has health issues in the future, I can't financially handle the big vet bills. Perhaps someone else who's better off financially could give her a happy home, too. But the odds of finding someone who is better off financially are small, I know. So, it's just wait and see, like everything else in life. I try not to panic anymore. This is the best site. I've learned more from all of you than I have from my vet. I wonder if she knows she shouldn't have tested Ellie with the IFA so soon after the ELISSA. I don't see that vet any longer. KathiFrom: catatonya Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: timing on FeLV+ test Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 05:49:35 -0700 (PDT)If I were in your situation I would mix. BUT I would not be second guessing myself if one of the others happens to turn up positive down the line. Unless you've had your other cats recently tested they couled be positive right now. Cats can harbor the virus for years. So in my opinion I would mix if all my other cats' leukemia shots were up to date. After 10 years of no one catching felv from my positives I've stopped vaccinating for it every year. tonyaKathi Clark wrote: Althea, 13 Tabitha, 11 Bear, 5 Oreo, 1 Connie, 1 From: catatonya Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: timing on FeLV+ test Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 19:31:42 -0700 (PDT) How old are the other 5? Kathi Clark wrote: Are you all saying that if my 5
To Tonya Re: Sharing price information
Do you mean expensive or extensive?! lol... Send it to me; I'm compiling today but don't have much to compile just yet. :) Wendy --- catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is anyone going to gather this information? If so I'll be glad to send mine. Mine is quite expensive. t [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm in a Milwaukee, WI suburb one of the vets we go to charges 115 for a senior wellness profile, 24 for the exam, 14 for a fecal, 50 for an X-ray, 32 for a snap test, 10 for ear cleaning, 14 for distemper vac. The cat-only clinic we go to is comparable in its rates, higher on some items, lower on others. I don't know what they currently charge for spay/neuter, b/c it's been 5 years since I've had to have that done. If I remember correctly, dentals at the cat only clinic are usually b/t 100-200, depending on if extractions were needed, etc. Yvonne In a message dated 10/9/2006 11:06:33 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is there a way we can give a geographical location and some basic ideas of what we pay for specific procedures, for example here several of the vets charge 165 for a senior panel,,,the SNAP combo test ranges for 39 to 60,,,A CBC is about 50,,Spay can go from 50 to 200Dentals from 100 to 400. I would like to compile something that could benefit others so they can see common prices and ranges in different areas and perhaps find a more cost efficient local vet.. I am in the Central Valley ( Fresno) of California. It is an ag based community, Kelly __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: To Tonya Re: Sharing price information
At 10:44 AM 10/20/2006, you wrote: would you like me to scan a few invioces and forwards them to you Kelly Do you mean expensive or extensive?! lol... Send it to me; I'm compiling today but don't have much to compile just yet. :) Wendy --- catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is anyone going to gather this information? If so I'll be glad to send mine. Mine is quite expensive. t [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm in a Milwaukee, WI suburb one of the vets we go to charges 115 for a senior wellness profile, 24 for the exam, 14 for a fecal, 50 for an X-ray, 32 for a snap test, 10 for ear cleaning, 14 for distemper vac. The cat-only clinic we go to is comparable in its rates, higher on some items, lower on others. I don't know what they currently charge for spay/neuter, b/c it's been 5 years since I've had to have that done. If I remember correctly, dentals at the cat only clinic are usually b/t 100-200, depending on if extractions were needed, etc. Yvonne In a message dated 10/9/2006 11:06:33 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is there a way we can give a geographical location and some basic ideas of what we pay for specific procedures, for example here several of the vets charge 165 for a senior panel,,,the SNAP combo test ranges for 39 to 60,,,A CBC is about 50,,Spay can go from 50 to 200Dentals from 100 to 400. I would like to compile something that could benefit others so they can see common prices and ranges in different areas and perhaps find a more cost efficient local vet.. I am in the Central Valley ( Fresno) of California. It is an ag based community, Kelly __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.8/489 - Release Date: 10/20/2006
Re: TO TONYA re: timing on FeLV+ test
Hi Tonya. I'll try to make this whole thing clearer for you. I had a roommate who brought Ellie with her when she moved in. Kim, my roommate, said she'd been tested for disease but she hadn't been. When she finally had her tested, Ellie tested postive. By that time, all of my cats had been exposed to Ellie and Oreo had a lot of direct contact with Ellie. So I took all 5 of my cats in to be tested on 6/1/06 and only Oreo tested positive, a light positive. On 6/23/06, Oreo had an IFA that was negative, just 22 days later. I had Ellie and Oreo retested this past Friday, 10/13/06. Am anxious to get the results back on Wednesday or Thursday. My vet said this test will be definitive and I can trust these results. I only hope they're negative. Kathi From: catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: timing on FeLV+ test Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 17:33:50 -0700 (PDT) I'm sorry. I just don't understand. Are you saying Ellie was always positive. She gave it to Oreo and he tested positive, but now he's negative? I don't know if your vet knows what he's doing. If he tested positive on Elissa and then tested negative a month later I take that as a negative. Others on the list know more about this. How and when was Ellie tested, and how do you know that Oreo was negative and caught it from her? I guess I missed your first post. It just doesn't really happen that a negative catches felv from a positive and tests positive and then tests negative and would then 'catch' it again. I guess it could happen, but I have never heard of anything like this. t Kathi Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry I'm getting back with you just now. Oreo did get it from Ellie. Oreo was given an IFA test just a month after testing positive on the ELISSA. I understand this vet gave the IFA way too soon, that perhaps the virus didn't have time to even get into the bone marrow. I've been told by another vet that he could still have it because he was re-tested way too soon with the IFA. K From: catatonya Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: timing on FeLV+ test Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 16:20:09 -0700 (PDT) Are you saying Oreo got it from Ellie, but now he doesn't have it any more?? t Kathi Clark wrote: Thanks, Tonya. This has given me something to think about. I haven't had the other ones tested again and I don't think I will. My vet said if she was in my situation she would retest only if I brought them in for an illness on down the road. If Ellie tests negative on the IFA on October 13, I'll mix her with the others. If she doesn't, I may still integrate her. Is that taking a big risk with the 1-year-olds, though? As I said, Oreo, who's 1, became infected by Ellie and I know if I mix the two again, they'll have a great deal of one-on-one contact. Oreo and Connie have a lot of contact now and if Oreo contracts it again, does that put Connie at risk? Sorry so many questions. I'm just a nervous mother and FeLV is so new to me. I would miss Ellie so if I found her another home and would always be worried if she was happy or not and taken care of. I just am concerned that if she has health issues in the future, I can't financially handle the big vet bills. Perhaps someone else who's better off financially could give her a happy home, too. But the odds of finding someone who is better off financially are small, I know. So, it's just wait and see, like everything else in life. I try not to panic anymore. This is the best site. I've learned more from all of you than I have from my vet. I wonder if she knows she shouldn't have tested Ellie with the IFA so soon after the ELISSA. I don't see that vet any longer. Kathi From: catatonya Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: timing on FeLV+ test Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 05:49:35 -0700 (PDT) If I were in your situation I would mix. BUT I would not be second guessing myself if one of the others happens to turn up positive down the line. Unless you've had your other cats recently tested they couled be positive right now. Cats can harbor the virus for years. So in my opinion I would mix if all my other cats' leukemia shots were up to date. After 10 years of no one catching felv from my positives I've stopped vaccinating for it every year. tonya Kathi Clark wrote: Althea, 13 Tabitha, 11 Bear, 5 Oreo, 1 Connie, 1 From: catatonya Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: timing on FeLV+ test Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 19:31:42 -0700 (PDT) How old are the other 5? Kathi Clark wrote: Are you all saying that if my 5 kitties have been vaccinated and boostered for FeLV (July 2006) that Ellie, my FeLV+ kitty, can join them now I have her separated and planned to keep her separated from the others
Re: To Tonya Re: Popeye has gone to the bridge
Wow! I am surprised you don't have any unions! I went on the AFT website, and sure enough, Georgia does not have an affiliation. 43 states do however. Sounds like you guys need a bit of a change in Georgia!!! We have several different ones here in Texas, and we are almost as far south as you can get! Is this something legislated in Georgia? I hope your year goes smoothly. Here's to teacher happy hour when you really need it. LOLOLOL. :) Wendy --- catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Wendy. We're very slowly getting used to Popeye not being around. He was always underfoot. Yes, it's true about the politics. And I teach in Georgia where there are NO teacher unions. That's why we can be treated however the principal wants to treat us. She is new, and I hope there won't be any more incidents ughhh. t __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: To Tonya Re: Popeye has gone to the bridge
Thanks Wendy. We're very slowly getting used to Popeye not being around. He was always underfoot. Yes, it's true about the politics. And I teach in Georgia where there are NO teacher unions. That's why we can be treated however the principal wants to treat us. She is new, and I hope there won't be any more incidents ughhh.t
To Tonya Re: Popeye has gone to the bridge
Hi Tonya, First, let me say that I am so sorry that you have lost Popeye. I am so sorry that you had to let him go and that nothing else can be done. One positive thing is that you know now that you made the right decision in letting him go. Had you not had that test result, and made the decision to let him go, you would have always wondered if it was the right one. What a blessing that you know. I hope his sweet memories help you to grieve for him. And I know that he's watching over you right now (and probably scratching that principal's new Cadillac or clawing up their couch when he/she is asleep. hehe). Popeye loves you and will always be right by your side, even in death. Second, let me say that I know exactly what it feels like to work for a crappy administrator. I have worked in public education for 12 years now, at four schools, first as a teacher/coach and now as a librarian like Susan. I have had some great administators, and three crappy ones. I work for two of them now. A lot of people don't know how much politics and power do play a part in the public school system. It is a reality and it's sad the power that an administrator has in a teacher's life. I don't know what state you are in, or how your evaluations are done, but is this same administrator going to be giving your evaluation? Or is it your asst. principal? If it is this principal, I would strongly suggest that you join the local region of your teacher's union, like AFT or the like. And document everything that goes on this year with this principal. Everything. Because the reality is that this principal could really be a jerk and could cause you trouble for no other reason than that his or her pants are too tight. I hate to be so fatalistic about this but I've seen it and been through it, and I feel the need to warn you. Hopefully, this principal is just trying to establish him or herself, and is a bit insecure in the new position (maybe they are a first year principal), and you and the other teacher were the guinea pigs. Keep in mind that you are a good teacher and that you went into teaching because you love kids and you love teaching them. And pray for guidance and protection this year. You are a wise woman to lie low. I do the same thing. I stay out of the office unless I have to go in there, and when I do, I'm sweet as pie. Yes, I play the game, even though I hate it. Once, my senior year gov't teacher told me that I would have to learn to play the game in life, and I told her that was crap, and that I would never do it, but she was right. Sometimes you just have to. And I also agree wholeheartedly with the others about calling in sick. Complete honesty is not always the best route to take. It's like dealing with the IRS. The less they know, the better. Again, I am so sorry that you had to let Popeye go. If you need anything or just to vent, you know where to find me. :) Wendy __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
To Tonya
Tonya, I am so sorry this happened. I know you must feel horrible. Whether you smothered him or not, it was unintentional, and you can never know what he actually died of, so please don't beat yourself up over it. I can't imagine how you must feel, but please don't be too hard on yourself. You did more than most average people would have done for little Grayson. He was lucky to have you. :) Wendy --- catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just woke and Grayson was dead. I think I smothered him. I think 2:30 was the last time he woke me up to be fed. I had him up by my neck but remember finding him sleeping down next to me at one point and moving him back up. I guess it didn't cross my mind at the time that he should have been screaming for food at that point. I just moved him back up higher on the bed and covered him in his little towel and fell back asleep. When I woke again I wondered why he hadn't cried yet or moved over to my neck. He was dead because I had killed him. tonya __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Stomatitis gone south/Tonya, my sincere condolences, too
Tonya, You have all my sympathy on the loss of your Grayson. I am so sorry for your loss. Thanks for your coming in to talk about Jimi, Tonya, that was so nice. I love how you call him J2C, too! Thinking of you in this sad time, Tonya, Hugs, Anne and Jimi Too Cool, Simms and Sophie in MI, among other furry friends From: catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: Stomatitis gone south?To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgMessage-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"Hi Anne, I certainly remember you and think of J2C and Sophie often. I think it's a miracle what you've done for Sophie especially. I don't have any advice for you since I haven't yet had to deal with these symptoms. I do agree with what you said though about making him comfortable. My first positive hated the vet too. After a while I decided to stop putting her through the treatments and let her go. Hugs and prayers for you all. tonya
Re: Tonya
I was ready to hire you!!wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LOL...no! We haven't tiled hardly anything since Ihad surgery two weeks ago. My husband's back wentout, so now we're really in trouble!!!--- catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: Wendy. You have FINISHED tiling your house tonya wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: LOL...I don't know why I do this to myself. I know one thing: I'm not starting any new projects (that I can control) until well into the summer. My husband and I both need a rest!!! :) Wendy --- Becca DuBose wrote: Wendy,It sounds like you don't have enough on your plate right now. Is there something else you can squeeze in?;)Becca wendy wrote: Hi guys,I am sad to hear that I'm not the only one having trouble with kitties behaving in a uncivil feline way. I put Pepper and LuLu, my two original kitties, in our small 6x6 room, with their kitty tree, litter boxes, and food and water with the intention of re-training them to use the litter box while we tiled the house. So far, that has worked out great, except when I let them out last week to reintroduce themselves to the house, while I was laid up on the couch after having surgery on both feet, LuLu attacks kitten Smookie in my bedroom. I jump up (ouch!), grab the nearest thing with a handle (a cheap sponge mop), and "run" down the hallway with these clod-hopper post-surgical shoes on (OMG, OW, OMG, OW, OW...) All the while, these cats are screaming. I take a swat at what I thought was LuLu under the bed attacking Smookie, only to find that I had accidentally whacked Smookie (thank goodness it wasn't hard!) I take another swat at LuLu, while yelling for her to get out of here, as I was very angry with her, and accidentally hit the cheap glass cover on my nightstand, and glass goes flying everywhere, ALL OVER THE BEDROOM!!! I picked up glass all day. I was so mad, because here's this poor kitty, who doesn't seem to have a mean bone in her body, and just wants to play, sleep, eat, and be loved on, and has already lost one eye to a stress-related virus, who's getting picked on by my beloved LuLu. So now I am keeping LuLu and Pepper (who can be just as mean to Smookie) in that 6x6 room, which is supposed to be the bathroom for all the kitties in the house. It SUCKS! I am going to try reintroducing them when I can get around better, but for now, life is not how I imagined it would be after we adopted Smookie. Poor baby...:) Wendy __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Tonya
PS. I can't believe how easy and quick it was, only took about 30 minutes and had no pain in hospital, didn't take any pain meds until I got home and over did it a few times, even then not too bad. -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: Important Surgery : Tonya
A friend of mine just had one and she was back on the computer within 3 days of getting home. I like the sound of that :) -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: Important Surgery : Tonya
Go to bedBelinda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A friend of mine just had one and she was back on the computer within 3 days of getting home. I like the sound of that :)-- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ...Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.comPost Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com---BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: Important Surgery : Tonya
Hi Tonya, It is tomorrow, I'm having a hysterectomy, thought I had posted it but like I said everything is a blur so I may not have. Hopefully should be home Thursday or Friday for sure. Am having spinal anesthesia because I want to be awake, Dr said it would take 2 hours at the most. I just want it over with and to be back home. -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: Important Surgery : Tonya
Belinda, I'll be praying for a swift recovery for you. Terri in NJ =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Sammi, Travis, Dori and 6 furangels: RuthieGirl, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec Salome' =^..^= Furkid Photos! http://mysite.verizon.net/vze7sgqa/My Personal Page: http://www.geocities.com/ruthiegirl1/terrispage.html?1083970447350Come check me out on MySpace at http://www.myspace.com/terricrazycatlady Earth and Family Safe Products! http://www.moreinfo247.com/9162990/VCLNice Offers! www.niceoffers.com/9162990 Buy Avon Online! http://www.youravon.com/theresabrown - Original Message - From: Belinda To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 2:30 PM Subject: Re: Important Surgery : Tonya Hi Tonya, It is tomorrow, I'm having a hysterectomy, thought I had posted it but like I said everything is a blur so I may not have. Hopefully should be home Thursday or Friday for sure. Am having spinal anesthesia because I want to be awake, Dr said it would take 2 hours at the most. I just want it over with and to be back home.-- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: Important Surgery : Tonya
Hey!You did post you were having it, but I wasn't sure when it was. I'll be thinking of you tomorrow. I hope you've got some help lined up for when you get home. You'll have to take it easy for a while.And you have to be really careful that you don't 'forget' and lift something too heavy! My mother stayed with me for several weeks because she said she knew if she left I would start vacuuming or washing clothes.ha. A friend of mine just had one and she was back on the computer within 3 days of getting home. (She works from home for IBM.) Let everyone baby you for a while. (I can't believe you don't want to be knocked out. I wanted to be knocked out asap!!!) I hope that doesn't mean you're going to refuse morphine! I didn't realize I'd had surgery until they took it away! Take care, and good luck with your surgery.tBelinda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Tonya,It is tomorrow, I'm having a hysterectomy, thought I had posted it but like I said everything is a blur so I may not have. Hopefully should be home Thursday or Friday for sure. Am having spinal anesthesia because I want to be awake, Dr said it would take 2 hours at the most. I just want it over with and to be back home.-- BelindaHappiness is being owned by cats ...Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.comPost Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittenshttp://adopt.bemikitties.comFeLV Candle Light Servicehttp://www.bemikitties.com/clsHostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design)http://HostDesign4U.com---BMK Designs (non-profit web sites)http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Tonya and kidney values
I haven't checked Julie's kidney values since late January/early February because we are trying to get her regulated on her hyper-T meds. She was scratching large areas of fur off her head to the point where they were bleeding, so I took her off the meds for two weeks, so she could heal up. I started her back on the meds at HALF the dose (which is what the people on the hyper-T site recommended and what I asked my vet and he said no, 5 mg 2x per day is standard). Anyway, she has been back on for a week or two at 2.5 mg 2x per day and she's doing great. No scratching. She will be taken in in the next 2-4 weeks for a T4 check, and if that comes back good, then her kidney values should be accurate, as you probably already know, hyper-T causes kidney values to be skewed until treated. :) Wendy __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Tonya: OT: I adopted a new kitty; looks just like Cricket
Hey Wendy,Personally I would. One of your cats you think is negative now could actually be a carrier, and/or you might be in a situation where you bring in a stray.I think if it were me and the cat is under a year or two I would vaccinate since kittens are most susceptible to the virus. twendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Tonya,No, I would not separate her from my other negativecats, as they were around Cricket for over four yearsand none of them became positive. They are all about10 yrs. and older. I will only get her rabies as shewill only be inside and I am scared to do any othervaccinations because of the implications of cancer,hyper-T, etc. later on in life. I wouldn't even bedoing rabies if the shelter I got her from didn'trequire it. Do you really think I should FeLVvaccinate at this point? I mean, none of mine arepositive, and if she has it, she has it. She's notgoing to pick it up inside my house as far as I cantell. What do you think?:)Wendy__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Tonya: OT: I adopted a new kitty; looks just like Cricket
I think you may be right. I have to make her appt. to be spayed here in a sec, so I'll tell them I need the vaccination. It lasts for three years anyway, so that may be the only one I need to give her. Thanks, Wendy --- catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Wendy, Personally I would. One of your cats you think is negative now could actually be a carrier, and/or you might be in a situation where you bring in a stray. I think if it were me and the cat is under a year or two I would vaccinate since kittens are most susceptible to the virus. t wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Tonya, No, I would not separate her from my other negative cats, as they were around Cricket for over four years and none of them became positive. They are all about 10 yrs. and older. I will only get her rabies as she will only be inside and I am scared to do any other vaccinations because of the implications of cancer, hyper-T, etc. later on in life. I wouldn't even be doing rabies if the shelter I got her from didn't require it. Do you really think I should FeLV vaccinate at this point? I mean, none of mine are positive, and if she has it, she has it. She's not going to pick it up inside my house as far as I can tell. What do you think? :) Wendy __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Tonya and kidney values
If you're on the hyper-t list you know what you're doing. Hyper-t does affect the kidneys though and I thought that might be part of what's going on. I think the biggest thing though is your new addition...twendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I haven't checked Julie's kidney values since lateJanuary/early February because we are trying to gether regulated on her hyper-T meds. She was scratchinglarge areas of fur off her head to the point wherethey were bleeding, so I took her off the meds for twoweeks, so she could heal up. I started her back onthe meds at HALF the dose (which is what the people onthe hyper-T site recommended and what I asked my vetand he said no, 5 mg 2x per day is standard). Anyway,she has been back on for a week or two at 2.5 mg 2xper day and she's doing great. No scratching. Shewill be taken in in the next 2-4 weeks for a T4 check,and if that comes back good, then her kidney valuesshould be accurate, as you probably already know,hyper-T causes kidney values to be skewed untiltreated. :)Wendy__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Ms. Clyde - Tonya
Title: AOL Email Hi Tonya, It seems to be working and for that I am very thankful. Ms. Clyde is a fighter that is for certain. Thanks for cheering us on. Your support is greatly appreciated. Hugs and Head-Bumps Karen in California and her Beautiful Maine Coon Cat Ms. Clyde In a message dated 2/9/2006 4:57:24 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That is fantastic news about her bloodwork. It sounds like the chemo is working. Go Ms. Clyde! tonya
Manual-Kerry R, Kerry McK, Chris B, Marlene, Nina, Hideyo, Mia, Michelle L, and Tonya
Hey guys, Let me know if you received the sick kitty manual so that I can mark you off the list. I just want to make sure that you did get it. Thanks, Wendy __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Manual-Kerry R, Kerry McK, Chris B, Marlene, Nina, Hideyo, Mia, Michelle L, and Tonya
Yes Wendy, I got it, thanks for doing all that work. I just looked it over briefly and haven't had time to make any notes and get back to you on it. I will just as soon as I can catch my breath. Nina wendy wrote: Hey guys, Let me know if you received the sick kitty manual so that I can mark you off the list. I just want to make sure that you did get it. Thanks, Wendy
Re: Another disaster - Tonya
hee hee--not laughing at anyone, just laughing at the situation i had endometriosis, have had three back surgeries, recently diagnosed with type 2 diabetes, and have fibromyalgia. have been on disability for 13 years now--ie, i am a member of the idle poor, which is the ONLY way i can even begin to keep up with my menagerie! i know just what you all mean about knowing a whole lot about drugs for specific conditions, learned from the cats--before i had rotator cuff surgery, we were trying to figure out how to figure out the HUMAN dosage of depo and whenever a friend gets an URI, i threaten to scruff them if they don't take their meds had a doctor once who was notorious for overscheduling himself--waiting 2 or morehours for the appointment was not unusual. i remember him being HIGHLY offended one time when, after waiting more than 3 hours and not being seen, i left, because i had a vet appointment. -- MaryChristineAIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCatsMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ: 289856892
Re: Another disaster - Tonya
Geeze MC, you're a mess! :) . I was laying in bed last night and happened on one of those awful animal rescue shows on TV. I never watch them, they always leave me in tears. I'm so grateful that there are people out there that go in and rescue neglected/abused animals, but I have enough suffering in my own life and it burdens me to know about suffering I can't do anything about. Yes, I'm a big baby, but I know my limitations, (well, at least I'm working on them!). Anyway, I was watching this segment where this woman had been evicted from her apartment because she had too many cats. These well meaning animal control officers where chasing these poor scared kitties throughout the apartment with nets. They were nervously laughing the entire time! I wanted to reach through my TV and slap them! The cats all looked healthy and well cared for. I kept wondering about the poor woman who thought her only recourse was to desert them. I kept thinking about what was going to happen to those poor cats whose lives have been so unexpectedly disrupted. My right paw kitty, Instigator saw my distress and climbed up on my chest. My thoughts turned to this list and all the wonderful people that share their homes and hearts so unselfishly with our animal friends. I cried into Insty's fur as I thought about what might happen to my babies, if anything happened to me and/or Bruce. We have to do our best to keep ourselves healthy, for their sake, as well as our own. Blessings to this wonderful list! No more late night TV for me! Nina TenHouseCats wrote: hee hee--not laughing at anyone, just laughing at the situation i had endometriosis, have had three back surgeries, recently diagnosed with type 2 diabetes, and have fibromyalgia. have been on disability for 13 years now--ie, i am a member of the idle poor, which is the ONLY way i can even begin to keep up with my menagerie! i know just what you all mean about knowing a whole lot about drugs for specific conditions, learned from the cats--before i had rotator cuff surgery, we were trying to figure out how to figure out the HUMAN dosage of depo and whenever a friend gets an URI, i threaten to scruff them if they don't take their meds had a doctor once who was notorious for overscheduling himself--waiting 2 or morehours for the appointment was not unusual. i remember him being HIGHLY offended one time when, after waiting more than 3 hours and not being seen, i left, because i had a vet appointment. -- MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: Another disaster - Tonya
Thank you everyone for your well wishes. I've conquered the anemia, had the hysterectomy, am halfway moved in, and hopefully will get the thyroid going. You just all know how it is when you have a zoo to take care of. Between work and just basic care of my guys it's a lot of work. I'm either working, taking care of the critters, vegging out on this computer, or sleeping. That's basically it except when I'm on vacation in the summer. Summer will come. Summer will come! And yes, the only bills that get paid are the ones I can pay online. lol.And forcing myself to eat is not the problem. Forcing myself to make something to eat is so I eat cookies, Little Debby cakes, potato chips, etc lol. Really, I've gained so much weight I'm sure that has led to my lack of energy being worse. I need someone to force feed me broccoli!Here's a funny story for anyone's reading pleasure. My thyroid med. has to be taken 1st thing in the morning with water. No coffee, juice, anything else for 30 minutes (preferably an hour). Well I hate this. I hate drinking water and I want something 'good' to drink when I get up. Like chocolate milk!Sooo some friends recommended I put the pills by my bed with a cup of water and take it before I even get up. (I set my 3 alarms to go off a little before 6, but then sleep 30 more minutes to alarms and loud rap music before my friend calls to MAKE me get up at 6:30. Even the cats have learned to sleep through all this racket. lol, and NO ONE will spend the night at my house because of having to listen to all of this or yell at me to get up for 30 minutes!)So we all know I can't have a glass of water by my bed with 7 cats. Or a pill. And I don't want to get UP to take the pill or I may as well get up and be on time for work for Heaven's sake. I want to take the pill lying down and go back to sleep.So I go by a child's 'sippee cup', fill it with water, and put the sippee cup and the pills inside my dresser drawer. This was Friday, my first try with my new foolproof plan. The wind up"firehouse sounding ringing alarm" wakes meup at 6:00. I fumble in the drawer for the pill and cup of water and down the pill. Well, the water won't come out of the cup fast enough and the pill is dissolving in my mouth! I suck and suck on the thing and then give it a big squeeze to get some d*mn water to come out. Off POPS the lid soaking me, the cats, the bed with a glass of water. lol. I got up and put on more pajamas and came and slept in the recliner until my friend called. Time to come up with a new plan. ( I also got up and drank chocolate milk too. I felt I deserved it!) tNina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh Tonya! I'm sorry to hear about your health problems! Don't worry about the house, it will get clean again eventually, pay the bills that you have to, (have you ever paid bills online? It's pretty fast and easy). Please take care of yourself and get some rest. Don't forget to force yourself to eat something. If we were closer I'd come over there and syringe feed you, if I had to.Much love,Ninacatatonya wrote: WHY DO WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH SUCH IDIOTS IN THIS WORLD I am so sorry you are going through all of this. I have not been well and finally went and got a thyroid panel run for myself with an endocrinologist. Well, my TSH was 65.45, and the doctor said it should be 1 or 2. lol. I'm on 137 mg of levoxyl. (The same amount as my aunt who had her thyroid removed due to cancer). All that to say that I've been sleeping pretty much around the clock. The house is a mess, and the bills have not been paid. I started med.s on Monday and hope to feel like a real person again soon. As soon as I get my check books balanced and my late bills paid I am planning to send you some money for your defense. I have some set aside, I just haven't had time to sit and write out checks, get to the post office for stamps, etc... I am off on Monday to go back to the doctor to start more med.s and get more results, etc so I have a long weekend to hopefully get my butt in gear. You are in my thoughts and prayers. If money will take care of this problem, we will come up with the money on this list. And I believe in your 'cause' on this one. It's for you, but it's also for everyone who has to deal with this kind of crap about limits. Yes, I know I'm not a lawyer, but it's freakin' UNCONSTITUTIONAL! Maybe when I retire from teaching and don't have to worry about my job I can just travel around the country and b*tch slap people like you're dealing with. lol. take care, tonya
Re: Another disaster - Tonya
Tonya, I really know what you mean. I have a bunch of health problems myself (endometriosis, polycystic ovaries syndrome, gastritis, depression, had anemia last year which I hope is better...). I seem to only be able to medicate myself properly and get myself to the doctor when the animals are doing relatively well. As soon as I have a long regiment of pilling or vet visits or special diets to make them, though, my own regimen goes down the drain. It's like my brain can't hold that long a to do list and my own treatment gets dropped. I only remember all of it when I remember to write a long list of who gets what when-- and put myself on it! I usually do remember my necessary meds, but I often forget my supplements and vitamins and herbs and stuff... Michelle In a message dated 2/4/2006 4:46:26 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thank you everyone for your well wishes. I've conquered the anemia, had the hysterectomy, am halfway moved in, and hopefully will get the thyroid going. You just all know how it is when you have a zoo to take care of. Between work and just basic care of my guys it's a lot of work. I'm either working, taking care of the critters, vegging out on this computer, or sleeping. That's basically it except when I'm on vacation in the summer. Summer will come. Summer will come! And yes, the only bills that get paid are the ones I can pay online. lol.
Re: Another disaster - Tonya
Yes, my doctors always chide me because my cats go to every specialist there is. By the time I make it to the doctor for myself I always know what they're talking about because I've dealt with it with one of my cats. lol. They don't find this as amusing as I do. I was talking to the endocrin. about Free T3 tests and TSH, etc... and she was impressed I had researched this before coming in. But I had researched it because I had two hyper-T cats. lol.t[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Tonya, I really know what you mean. I have a bunch of health problems myself (endometriosis, polycystic ovaries syndrome, gastritis, depression, had anemia last year which I hope is better...). I seem to only be able to medicate myself properly and get myself to the doctor when the animals are doing relatively well. As soon as I have a long regiment of pilling or vet visits or special diets to make them, though, my own regimen goes down the drain. It's like my brain can't hold that long a to do list and my own treatment gets dropped. I only remember all of it when I remember to write a long list of who gets what when-- and put myself on it! I usually do remember my necessary meds, but I often forget my supplements and vitamins and herbs and stuff... MichelleIn a message dated 2/4/2006 4:46:26 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thank you everyone for your well wishes. I've conquered the anemia, had the hysterectomy, am halfway moved in, and hopefully will get the thyroid going. You just all know how it is when you have a zoo to take care of. Between work and just basic care of my guys it's a lot of work. I'm either working, taking care of the critters, vegging out on this computer, or sleeping. That's basically it except when I'm on vacation in the summer. Summer will come. Summer will come! And yes, the only bills that get paid are the ones I can pay online. lol.
Re: Another disaster - Tonya
Yes, I know-- I know more about cancer than my two friends who have it do. Fortunately none of my cats have endometriosis though! Michelle In a message dated 2/4/2006 7:02:19 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yes, my doctors always chide me because my cats go to every specialist there is. By the time I make it to the doctor for myself I always know what they're talking about because I've dealt with it with one of my cats. lol. They don't find this as amusing as I do. I was talking to the endocrin. about Free T3 tests and TSH, etc... and she was impressed I had researched this before coming in. But I had researched it because I had two hyper-T cats. lol. t
Re: Another disaster/TONYA
Tonya do take care of yourself! I hope you get to feeling better soon. You are in my thoughts and prayers. In a message dated 2/2/2006 4:57:21 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: WHY DO WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH SUCH IDIOTS IN THIS WORLD I am so sorry you are going through all of this. I have not been well and finally went and got a thyroid panel run for myself with an endocrinologist. Well, my TSH was 65.45, and the doctor said it should be 1 or 2. lol. I'm on 137 mg of levoxyl. (The same amount as my aunt who had her thyroidremoved due to cancer). All that to say that I've been sleeping pretty much around the clock. The house is a mess, and the bills have not been paid. I started med.s on Monday and hope to feel like a real person again soon. As soon as I get my check books balanced and my late bills paid I am planning to send you some money for your defense. I have some set aside, I just haven't had time to sit and write out checks, get to the post office for stamps, etc... I am off on Monday to go back to the doctor to start more med.s and get more results, etc so I have a long weekend to hopefully get my butt in gear. You are in my thoughts and prayers. If money will take care of this problem, we will come up with the money on this list. And I believe in your 'cause' on this one. It's for you, but it's also for everyone who has to deal with this kind of crap about limits. Yes, I know I'm not a lawyer, but it's freakin' UNCONSTITUTIONAL! Maybe when I retire from teaching and don't have to worry about my job I can just travel around the country and b*tch slap people like you're dealing with. lol. take care, tonya Terrie MohrTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE COLLIE RESCUEOwner/DriverCheck sites for available Siameses for adoption!http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/Click Here to Join WASHINGTON SIAMESE RESCUE Yahoo Group!http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlPetfinder.comAdopt a Homeless Pet!http://www.petfinder.com/http://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.petloss.com/TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTShttps://www.paypal.com/http://www.frappr.com/wasiameserescue
michelle/tonya/interferon
MUWAHHH!!! from minnie!!! thanks ladies for this wonderful info!!! i will see what i can do independently and also check with the vet..would giving vit c interfere with this?has anyone ever used goldenseal extract ( in glycerine) or is it sorta sketchy for cat kids with that whole herbal thing going on that doesn't seem to mesh with them)?i want minnie to be flying around the room with her wonderwoman suit on!!! actually to be more serious, i just want to do all i can to boost her immunity... is there anything that helps to boost their t-cells?i am a worrisome goober ( from va...we grow 'em here to tonya!! hehehe)much love and respect... LJ
Re: Tonya-elderly lady with too many cats
I have not heard anything from the kitty city list yet. I am still sorting through emails though.wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Tonya,I emailed the email addy on that original email to letthe contact person know about Best Friends. Theyemailed me back and let me know that they hadcontacted Best Friends and got a recording that theywere still busy with Katrina rescues and to leavetheir information, and they would be contacted as soonas possible. I will let you know if I get anotheremail. Let us know if you hear anything. I hopethose kitties and their guardian get help soon!:)Wendy--- catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: Also, I have over a hundred emails to go through, but hopefully I'll find out some info about the elderly lady caring for all of the cats on a fixed income. tonya<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: Tonya- depression-bridge list addition
Everyone,Thank you for your responses. I knew there were people here would understand. We have a girl on a list here trying to give away her 4 cats because she bought a new car! Yes, we checked it out. How selfish can people be. I guess pets are like an old pair of shoes to them. It makes me MAD as much as it makes me depressed.Also, I have over a hundred emails to go through, but hopefully I'll find out some info about the elderly lady caring for all of the cats on a fixed income.tonyaBONNIE J KALMBACH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sheila and all,Keep on writing those letters - to the newspapers too.Bonnie"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens canchange the world; indeed, it's the only thing that ever has."-- Margaret Mead, anthropologist- Original Message -From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: Thursday, December 15, 2005 11:59 amSubject: Re: Tonya- depression-bridge list additionTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Tonya,I feel exactly the same way. Ever since seeing Larry King my depression has been overwhelming. Maybe I have been wearing blinders but I knew absolutely nothing about this situation and I wish I still knew nothing about it. I know that makes me a coward but I can't help it. I can't even watch the animal shows where the lions run the poor helpless prey down and kill them for food. I can't get the look of fear on the poor babies faces out of my mind. The cruelty in this world is unbelievable. I still can't sleep for the depression. If I could wake up and it would be spring, maybe that would help. All I can do now is write letters, sign petitions and try to get my friends to do the same. Sheila in SC trying to cope. God bless you for your kindness.
Re: Speaking of depressing - Tonya
tonya, for me the answer is to focus on my small part of the world, and remember that being a good example (well, at least about the critters!) is a big thing, tho decidedly slow some people can handle dealing with the huge issues, many can't. for me, if i try to handle a huge number of injustices at once, i end up overwhelmed, and paralyzed, and unable to act on any level. for me, saving the critters i can, and continuing to educate-educate-educate, is what enables me to go on. a fervent belief that these critters come to US, out of all the humans in the world, also keeps me going. some of us have the gift of being able to handle the constant heartbreak of having to say goodbye to cats with FeLV and other conditions. it's not something i think i chose, but clearly the cats know better. i pull back and remember that these cats who have come into my life leave this world when it's their time having known warmth, and love, and a roof over their heads, and competent medical care. for those for whom human companionship is something they want, they leave in the arms of someone who loves them, thanks them for sharing their lives, and who tries desperately to honor their needs over my own. how many humans these days can say as much? you did exactly what jaws needed you to do: you rescued him from that street, you surrounded him with love and caring from yourself and your wonderful vet--in those few hours, jaws KNEW that his life was of value to someone. THOSE are the memories that he took with him to the bridge. would you have been there with him had you known he was going to leave so soon? of course--but you did not know, and you did what you needed to do for yourself. as much as we are driven to care for these without anyone else to stand up for them, we MUST take care of ourselves, too, or we diminish our ability to continue to be there for the next one, two, twenty. this group gives us a place to all do whatever it is they we can do, while having a wide group of folks doing the same thing--and when we reach out and hold hands (and/or paws), we enlarge the circle, and support one another in ways that radiate out from that circle. we may not encompass the world and its evils, but we each make a difference--and, together, we amplify and magnify one another. -- MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: Speaking of depressing - Tonya
MaryChristine: Beautifully expressed. Thank you /mari this group gives us a place to all do whatever it is they we can do,while having a wide group of folks doing the same thing--and when we reach out and hold hands (and/or paws), we enlarge the circle, andsupport one another in ways that radiate out from that circle. we maynot encompass the world and its evils, but we each make adifference--and, together, we amplify and magnify one another. -- /mari (SpiritCat)Until there are none, adopt one.SpiritCat and the Mooseheart Mumpkeesof southeastern Texas[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Tonya- depression-bridge list addition
Tonya,I feel exactly the same way. Ever since seeing Larry King my depression has been overwhelming. Maybe I have been wearing blinders but I knew absolutely nothing about this situation and I wish I still knew nothing about it. I know that makes me a coward but I can't help it. I can't even watch the animal shows where the lions run the poor helpless prey down and kill them for food. I can't get the look of fear on the poor babies faces out of my mind. The cruelty in this world is unbelievable. I still can't sleep for the depression. If I could wake up and it would be spring, maybe that would help. All I can do now is write letters, sign petitions and try to get my friends to do the same. Sheila in SC trying to cope. God bless you for your kindness.
Re: Speaking of depressing - Tonya
In a message dated 12/15/05 10:16:36 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: MaryChristine: Beautifully expressed. Thank you /mari I must agree.. MC Nina have a beautiful way of expressing themselves. They always put things in the proper perspective for me...and I appreciate that very much. Patti
Re: Tonya- depression-bridge list addition
Sheila and all, Keep on writing those letters - to the newspapers too. Bonnie Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world; indeed, it's the only thing that ever has. -- Margaret Mead, anthropologist - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, December 15, 2005 11:59 am Subject: Re: Tonya- depression-bridge list addition To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Tonya,I feel exactly the same way. Ever since seeing Larry King my depression has been overwhelming. Maybe I have been wearing blinders but I knew absolutely nothing about this situation and I wish I still knew nothing about it. I know that makes me a coward but I can't help it. I can't even watch the animal shows where the lions run the poor helpless prey down and kill them for food. I can't get the look of fear on the poor babies faces out of my mind. The cruelty in this world is unbelievable. I still can't sleep for the depression. If I could wake up and it would be spring, maybe that would help. All I can do now is write letters, sign petitions and try to get my friends to do the same. Sheila in SC trying to cope. God bless you for your kindness.
for Tonya ot- new york rescuer for Gloria
AndI just had to kill a giant palmetto bug! Tonya---I shudder on your behalf!! Kerry - Original Message - From: catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 7:53 PM Subject: ot- new york rescuer for Gloria No problem. Now I can't remember where I got the original post from to tell 'them'... AndI just had to kill a giant palmetto bug! t --- Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Um, thanks Tonya - perhaps I didn't read enough or read too hurriedly (been doing that lately) and misunderstood - anyhow, thanks! Gloria On Oct 13, 2005, at 10:24 PM, catatonya wrote: The person with the cats is in new york. She posted on a Georgia rescue list I'm on, and apologized that she was posting from so far away. I forwarded it to the group knowing that our felv group has members all over and might know of someone who could help her in the New York area. tonya --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow, I didn't know that - sorry I just had to say I don't think you're correct as to location. Think we're all over the place, not just Georgia. Thanks for the post... At 06:24 PM 10/12/2005, you wrote: I realize this group is mostly based in GA and surrounding areas, but ...
Re: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 8, Issue 164-Tonya
Thanks so much Tonya. It helps a lot to know there other people out there cheering on Stinky! She is a fighter and if any cat can, I think it will be Stinky. Torti's are like that! They're tough little cats!
Re: ot- flooring for pee club members- Tonya
I'm pretty handy around the house love do it yourself project. I've been reading up on laying tile and it doesn't seem all that hard. I think I'll give it a try. It might take my mind off Spanky.Staying busy all ways helps me. I'll let you know how it turns out. Sheila
Re: OT - 2 things/tonya
Tonya www.healthypets.com Has the feliways cheap and 2.95 for shipping as much as you want and over $100something is free. I use them and like their service all and all they have the best prices when you add the shipping in so far that I found! I would use the plug ins but after cleaning use the spray too! Spray works better in my house. As for your sofa, my x brought in a used sofa in great shape well until then never had a pee problem with cats, I think the past owner had a cat and the cat's smell was on the sofa so I battled the pee on the sofa. I found 2 things that worked well. One I bought Get Serious (sold Foster smith) and in Petsmarts. You put it in the micro and heat then spray and dap and dry. I used a blow dryer cos I was in a rush. Also Foster and Smith sells Cat Detgerrent I swear by this stuff. If you can wash you can get the smell out with this stuff. Soak the area then put in wash with more CD and the smell is gone. I had a bedspread that became a marking zone and I did this and it stopped the war. Last month the one cat go excited (happy) and wet the bed spread soaked the spot washed and fine and dandy. I also like giving the cats Rock Water, Emergency, Chestnut Budd and Cherry Blossom Flower essences. Emergency is like Rescue but it worked 100% in my house for a cat that had mental problems in spraying. (not over night did the trick for her) You can get all of these at: http://www.blackkatherbs.com/ Sandi the owner is great and can help you with any mixes and make mixes for your cats She helped solve a aggressive problem in my house with cats nosodes she made for me. We still have some issues but s much better. Carla
Re: My Rescue Senior Siamese - For Tonya
Hi Tonya, When you were doing the IV fluids did you have an IV port in, just curious because I have heard of these but not know anyone to use them? -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: OT - 2 things/tonya
Thanks, Carla! I'll be getting a new sofa when I move. The house I'm moving into has 2 poodle mix dogs, so there shouldn't be any 'cat' smells. I'll look into all the other ideas too. Thank you so much! tonya[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tonyawww.healthypets.comHas the feliways cheap and 2.95 for shipping as much as you want and over $100something is free.I use them and like their service all and all they have the best prices when you add the shipping in so far that I found!I would use the plug ins but after cleaning use the spray too! Spray works better in my house.As for your sofa, my x brought in a used sofa in great shape well until then never had a pee problem with cats, I think the past owner had a cat and the cat's smell was on the sofa so I battled the pee on the sofa. I found 2 things that worked well.One I bought Get Serious (sold Foster smith) and in Petsmarts. You put it in the micro and heat then spray and dap and dry. I used a blow dryer cos I was in a rush. Also Foster and Smith sells "Cat Detgerrent" I swear by this stuff. If you can wash you can get the smell out with this stuff. Soak the area then put in wash with more CD and the smell is gone. I had a bedspread that became a marking zone and I did this and it stopped the war. Last month the one cat go excited (happy) and wet the bed spread soaked the spot washed and fine and dandy.I also like giving the cats Rock Water, Emergency, Chestnut Budd and Cherry Blossom Flower essences. Emergency is like Rescue but it worked 100% in my house for a cat that had mental problems in spraying. (not over night did the trick for her) You can get all of these at:http://www.blackkatherbs.com/Sandi the owner is great and can help you with any mixes and make mixes for your cats She helped solve a aggressive problem in my house with cats nosodes she made for me. We still have some issues but s much better.Carla
Re: My Rescue Senior Siamese - For Tonya
Yes, I did. Willie was very fractious at the vet's and he was fine with me. Plus we were going into a holiday weekend. So the vet let me take him home with the port and iv fluids. However, after 1 or 2 days he started having seizures and I had to take him to be pts at the emergency vet. tonyaBelinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Tonya,When you were doing the IV fluids did you have an IV port in, just curious because I have heard of these but not know anyone to use them?-- BelindaHappiness is being owned by cats ...Be-Mi-Kitties ...http://www.bemikitties.comPost Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittenshttp://adopt.bemikitties.comFeLV Candle Light Servicehttp://www.bemikitties.com/clsHostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design)http://HostDesign4U.com---BMK Designs (non-profit web sites)http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: Please Help!! 2 17y old healthy cats...NY/TONYA
I did, but I haven't had a reply. catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Susan, Did you email the man directly? I have lost his email addy. tSusan Loesch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I haven't sent any of the other ideas but I emailed with an offer to take them - into FuRR (Feline Rescue and Rehome), my rescue group - with me as the permanent foster. I usually take any really elderly kitties we get in. Didn't notice where he is located but could possibly arrange to fly to get.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone contacted this man via e-mail with this info advice? Someone really should forward ALL info to him. Patti
Re: Please Help!! 2 17y old healthy cats...NY/TONYA
I don't have the original message because both of the people who replied, you and Joan, deleted the original from your replies.(which is highly unusual that I would get 2 replies and neither had the original)I normally delete originals, and if I get a reply I deal with it then because I go through so much mail I emailed the group for an original and saved your messages. If no one sends it to me I'll get it from archives. t[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone contacted this man via e-mail with this info advice? Someone really should forward ALL info to him. Patti
Re: Please Help!! 2 17y old healthy cats...NY/TONYA
Susan, Did you email the man directly? I have lost his email addy. tSusan Loesch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I haven't sent any of the other ideas but I emailed with an offer to take them - into FuRR (Feline Rescue and Rehome), my rescue group - with me as the permanent foster. I usually take any really elderly kitties we get in. Didn't notice where he is located but could possibly arrange to fly to get.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone contacted this man via e-mail with this info advice? Someone really should forward ALL info to him. Patti
earmite med reaction - Tonya
Hi Tonya, You probably caught the thread about my feral and the earmite problem. What earmite medication did your (cat?) have a reaction to. More details please! Nina catatonya wrote: Michelle, I am so glad the transfer factor is making a difference. I'm not sure what all you've tried so far. It seems to me that if it were a reaction to the flea med. there would have been some sort of antecdote. I had something similar once happen with an ear mite treatment. Also, it seems it would be good to flush out his system as much as possible. Did the vet give him fluids? Anything like that? tonya
Re: Please Help!! 2 17y old healthy cats...NY/TONYA
NO! MY face is red! I really didn't expect any replies and didn't save the message as you'll see if you're up reading late! I'll get it figured out if Susan hasn't already. t[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/10/2005 10:29:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Has anyone contacted this man via e-mail with this info advice? Someone really should forward ALL info to him. Patti Tonya, Accept my apologies for not reading ALL posts in order! I should have KNOWN you were right on it! Many Thanks, Patti (Slightly red-faced...)
Re: Please Help!! 2 17y old healthy cats...NY/TONYA
So what's the status of the two 17 yr old healthy cats? Gloria On Jun 10, 2005, at 9:35 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/10/2005 10:32:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Didn't notice where he is located but could possibly arrange to fly to get. In Bronx, NY
Re: Please Help!! 2 17y old healthy cats...NY/TONYA
Title: AOL Email Tonya, Have you directed him to "Angel's Gate"? That's right on the Island, only about an hour, or so away. Susan may take their age into consideration agree to take them... (My Felix was 19) All their info, (addy, phone, etc) on their web site: Angelsgate.org It certainly is worth a try!Patti
RE: Please Help!! 2 17y old healthy cats...NY/TONYA
Title: Message The ASPCA in New York City has a Seniors for Seniors program. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 9:44 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Please Help!! 2 17y old healthy cats...NY/TONYA Tonya, Have you directed him to "Angel's Gate"? That's right on the Island, only about an hour, or so away. Susan may take their age into consideration agree to take them... (My Felix was 19) All their info, (addy, phone, etc) on their web site: Angelsgate.org It certainly is worth a try!Patti
Re: Please Help!! 2 17y old healthy cats...NY/TONYA
Title: AOL Email In a message dated 6/10/2005 9:47:01 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The ASPCA in New York City has a Seniors for Seniors program. -Original That is wonderful news! Is there a waiting list? Patti
RE: Please Help!! 2 17y old healthy cats...NY/TONYA
Title: Message I don't know. He should call. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 10:37 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Please Help!! 2 17y old healthy cats...NY/TONYA In a message dated 6/10/2005 9:47:01 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The ASPCA in New York City has a Seniors for Seniors program. -Original That is wonderful news! Is there a waiting list? Patti
RE: Please Help!! 2 17y old healthy cats...NY/TONYA
Title: Message He should always mentioned that they are declawed! Lots of people want already declawed cats. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 10:37 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Please Help!! 2 17y old healthy cats...NY/TONYA In a message dated 6/10/2005 9:47:01 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The ASPCA in New York City has a Seniors for Seniors program. -Original That is wonderful news! Is there a waiting list? Patti
Re: Please Help!! 2 17y old healthy cats...NY/TONYA
I haven't sent any of the other ideas but I emailed with an offer to take them - into FuRR (Feline Rescue and Rehome), my rescue group - with me as the permanent foster. I usually take any really elderly kitties we get in. Didn't notice where he is located but could possibly arrange to fly to get.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone contacted this man via e-mail with this info advice? Someone really should forward ALL info to him. Patti
Re: Please Help!! 2 17y old healthy cats...NY/TONYA
In a message dated 6/10/2005 10:32:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Didn't notice where he is located but could possibly arrange to fly to get. In Bronx, NY
Re: Please Help!! 2 17y old healthy cats...NY/TONYA
In a message dated 6/10/2005 10:29:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Has anyone contacted this man via e-mail with this info advice? Someone really should forward ALL info to him. Patti Tonya, Accept my apologies for not reading ALL posts in order! I should have KNOWN you were right on it! Many Thanks, Patti (Slightly red-faced...)
RE: Please Help!! 2 17y old healthy cats...NY/TONYA
I thought he was in Astoria, Queens near LaGuardia Airport. Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Loesch Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 10:32 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Please Help!! 2 17y old healthy cats...NY/TONYA I haven't sent any of the other ideas but I emailed with an offer to take them - into FuRR (Feline Rescue and Rehome), my rescue group - with me as the permanent foster. I usually take any really elderly kitties we get in. Didn't notice where he is located but could possibly arrange to fly to get. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone contacted this man via e-mail with this info advice? Someone really should forward ALL info to him. Patti
OT: To Tonya - Lovey and Merry Home! :) - Third Act! LONG!
Tonya No, I didn't get your reply. Before today I had only two replies from off list, Jenny and one of the drivers on the transport. As I replied to Del I just wanted to make sure all the people who helped with Lovey and Merry and were interested in their welfare would get the "rest of the story" as Paul Harvey always said on his program. :) I am watching Lovey and Merry's diet closely. They are on Wellness dry mostly. Lovey is almost free of his tom cat smell. Merry continues to drink large amounts of water. Maybe it is normal for her, but I have never seen a cat drink so much. Soon I am going to check her blood sugar and if that is normal I will talk to my vet. Merry is awfully young for kidney problems like CRF, but I suppose it could happen. I sure hope not. She is getting sweeter every single day. She is a master of silent meows when she wants something. :) Do you want to see pictures of Lovey and Merry at home? -- Brenda. http://www.whiskersandwicks.com http://www.cheqnet.net/~bksmith "The only risk you ever run in befriending a cat is enriching yourself." - Colette Don't Take Your Organs To Heaven. Heaven Knows We Need Them Here. catatonya wrote: I got it and replied. Maybe you're not getting all your emails? I just thought you must be busy with your new furrballs! I hope they're still doing well. I can imagine that Lovey is going to get huge now that he's neutered and being taken care of. t No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.7.2 - Release Date: 3/11/2005
Re: OT: To Tonya - Lovey and Merry Home! :) - Third Act! LONG!
YES!! I'd love pictures. t"Brenda K. Smith" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tonya No, I didn't get your reply. Before today I had only two replies from off list, Jenny and one of the drivers on the transport. As I replied to Del I just wanted to make sure all the people who helped with Lovey and Merry and were interested in their welfare would get the "rest of the story" as Paul Harvey always said on his program. :) I am watching Lovey and Merry's diet closely. They are on Wellness dry mostly. Lovey is almost free of his tom cat smell. Merry continues to drink large amounts of water. Maybe it is normal for her, but I have never seen a cat drink so much. Soon I am going to check her blood sugar and if that is normal I will talk to my vet. Merry is awfully young for kidney problems like CRF, but I suppose it could happen. I sure hope not. She is getting sweeter every single day. She is a master of silent meows when she wants something. :) Do you want to see pictures of Lovey and Merry at home? -- Brenda. http://www.whiskersandwicks.com http://www.cheqnet.net/~bksmith "The only risk you ever run in befriending a cat is enriching yourself." - Colette Don't Take Your Organs To Heaven. Heaven Knows We Need Them Here. catatonya wrote: I got it and replied. Maybe you're not getting all your emails? I just thought you must be busy with your new furrballs! I hope they're still doing well. I can imagine that Lovey is going to get huge now that he's neutered and being taken care of. t No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.7.2 - Release Date: 3/11/2005
Re: for Tonya re Lovey/Del
Thanks Brenda. Yes, I've been worried. lol. I'm sure they're fine. I hope you're able to transport today. I know Barb works on Monday, but she does work for the state, so she may be off for president's day. Keep me posted. t"Brenda K. Smith" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tonya. Yes, Del has the babies and they are fine. She thinks they are wonderful. I just know you miss Lovey especially :) and Merry. I have to get to bed in case we go today to get them. There is a big winter snow storm brewing which is supposed to hit southern Wisconsin and northern Illinois today, Sunday. If so, Tom will overnight the kitties. We haven't been able to contact Barb to see if she can continue the leg on Monday instead of Sunday, but we will figure it out. You will be the first to know when we have them safe and home. You will always be their very, very special person and we will always keep you updated and in their lives. :) I only know that Del has them, nothing more. Like you, I am waiting on pins and needles.-- Brenda. http://www.whiskersandwicks.com http://www.cheqnet.net/~bksmith "The only risk you ever run in befriending a cat is enriching yourself." - Colette Don't Take Your Organs To Heaven. Heaven Knows We Need Them Here. catatonya wrote: Did everyone get there alright??? I've been worried and haven't heard from anyone. :( t No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.0.0 - Release Date: 2/18/2005
Re: Pred Question - Tonya
I was assuming that was a typo for homeopathic sulpher... Gloria What is surphur? Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, not excessive scratching, but Joey does get little scabbies from scratching on the sides of his neck, no fur missing just scabs you can feel on his nick. The vet feels since all the tests and bloodowrk has come back normal, he has IBD and most likely food related. Bailey has the stomastisis, although getting his teeth pulled really took care of that for the most part, he is gaining weight and getting alittle chunky again (just the way I like him) :) I have noticed with him though he does seem to sleep more and if I'm not mistaken it is on the days he doesn't get his pred. I'm not positive and am going to keep an eye out to see if this is the case. I'm also going to ask my vet about the hydrocortisone for them instead of the pred. And I'm going to ask about the surphur for Joey.
Re: Pred Question - Tonya
I think she meant sulphur. Sally in San Jose
Re: for Tonya re Lovey/Del
Did everyone get there alright??? I've been worried and haven't heard from anyone. :( tDel Daniels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tonya, I did send you my other addy: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] is being selective these days. Del - Original Message - From: catatonya To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 6:34 PM Subject: for Del Hi Del, I need your email. The one you asked me to use won't work. I need to make sure you're aware of Loveyisms before he spends the night. : ) tonyaTenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i'm a chat host at cathobbyist.com, and i just had to find some CRF (chronic renal failure; sorry if most of you know what the initials mean, but i try not to assume!) info for a chatter--i went to yahoogroups.com and did a search--and there are a LOT of them--hard to tell which to try first, but i'd go with some of the larger ones. google is always another good option for resources... (belinda, why am i thinking that you are on a crf list?)here's one that came highly recommended on another list (oh, for all i know it came from THIS list--my memory is getting progressively randomly accessible...): Tanya's UK Feline Chronic Renal Failure/symptomssub-q hydrating at home is so easy (not to mention cheap compared to having the vet do it)--and folks i've known with CRF kitties usually only had to hydrate every 3 days or so, so the travelling wouldn't necessarily get in the way.she could also contact rescue groups in her area to see if there's anyone there she could hire to do the hydrating for her if she really doesn't think she can do it herself--one of my friends has a vet tech do it for her when necessary... another option is to find a cat or dog breeder to help out--that's what i had to do when i was having surgery in the middle of a course of injections for one of my cats MCBarbara Lowe wrote: The vet for my sister's maine coon mix feels her cat is in kidney failure. he suggested hydrating the cat for 48 hours at office to see if can jumpstart him. ($600) and then maybe maybe she can learn to do it at home. (by herself I doubt it and the other problem is she travels frequently for her job). I dont' know his age(she lives a few states away from me but would imagine less than 10?) he was a rescue and she's had him several years. does anyone know some good websites or yahoo group for this? thank you in advance. barbara No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.8 - Release Date: 2/14/2005
Re: for Tonya re Lovey/Del
Tonya. Yes, Del has the babies and they are fine. She thinks they are wonderful. I just know you miss Lovey especially :) and Merry. I have to get to bed in case we go today to get them. There is a big winter snow storm brewing which is supposed to hit southern Wisconsin and northern Illinois today, Sunday. If so, Tom will overnight the kitties. We haven't been able to contact Barb to see if she can continue the leg on Monday instead of Sunday, but we will figure it out. You will be the first to know when we have them safe and home. You will always be their very, very special person and we will always keep you updated and in their lives. :) I only know that Del has them, nothing more. Like you, I am waiting on pins and needles. -- Brenda. http://www.whiskersandwicks.com http://www.cheqnet.net/~bksmith "The only risk you ever run in befriending a cat is enriching yourself." - Colette Don't Take Your Organs To Heaven. Heaven Knows We Need Them Here. catatonya wrote: Did everyone get there alright??? I've been worried and haven't heard from anyone. :( t No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.0.0 - Release Date: 2/18/2005
Re: Pred Question - Tonya
No, not excessive scratching, but Joey does get little scabbies from scratching on the sides of his neck, no fur missing just scabs you can feel on his nick. The vet feels since all the tests and bloodowrk has come back normal, he has IBD and most likely food related. Bailey has the stomastisis, although getting his teeth pulled really took care of that for the most part, he is gaining weight and getting alittle chunky again (just the way I like him) :) I have noticed with him though he does seem to sleep more and if I'm not mistaken it is on the days he doesn't get his pred. I'm not positive and am going to keep an eye out to see if this is the case. I'm also going to ask my vet about the hydrocortisone for them instead of the pred. And I'm going to ask about the surphur for Joey. -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: Pred Question - Tonya
Hi Tonya, My positive Bailey is on pred, a very low dose to increase his cortisol level, it should be between 1 and 2.5 and it is .47, he and Joey (negative) had a special blood test that shows both of their Endocrine-Immune systems, basically their hormones are out of balance. He will probably have to be on this for the rest of his life. He is getting 1ml every other day. He started with 1ml everyday ofr 5 days and now is on a maintenance dose every other day. Their estrogen is high for both of them and their IgA, IgG, and IgM is low for both of them. A Dr Plechner has done studies to find out why so many animals get cancer, and other common diseases - allergies, epilepsy, viral diseases, inflammatory bowel, autoimmunity ti name a few, and has discovered that it has todo with their hormones. And once you get their hormones back in balance most of these things will resolve (he has successfully treated and cured animals with cancer using his protocol if it was found the affected animals hormones were out of balance), Joey has IBD and Bailey of course immunity problems that are causing stomastisis. They both have to take the pred, and Joey is additionally on a maintenance dose of metronidazole. They will both have to be switched to hypoallergenic food, and we have to retest in 2 weeks to see if they are on the correct dose of pred to get their cortisol level within the normal range. Supposedly once that happens and I get them on the hypo food everything else hormonally will correct itself (estrogen, and the others). This Dr. has a website if anyone is interested: http://www.drplechner.com this is all new for me so I can't say if it will work or not, all I know is we have tried every test under the sun for Joey and we can find no reason for his ongoing diarrhea, so he has been diagnosed with IBD, which more often than not eventually turns into cancer and I am not just going to sit by and wait for that, so I figure this is worth a shot. Joey also has allergies to what we still haven't figured out, but we are guessing they are food related. I can say Bailey has suffered no side effects from this small dose of pred, he has been on it for going on 4 weeks now, and I inadvertantly gave it to him for 7 days instead of 5 in the beginning. PS. Just an FYI, the blood test was fairly expensive but I'm sure the vet that owns the practice doubled whatever the lab billed her, but then again maybe not because there are only a few labs in the US that can do this test. Hopefully when we redo the test a week or so we will be on a correct dose to get the cortisol where it should be or we'll have to do it again after we adjust their dose. -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
