Re: any other catfood suggestions
MJ- I can only recall from being @ shelter (where we ALWAYS fed top-notch food,)that from doing research, we discovered that the main preservative DID have carcinogenic qualities.. And, believe me, we did LOTS of research.. Just can't remember just where we got info. that made owner discontinue using it. And, you're right - thee are carcinogenics in just too many food items. I guess I could research now where we got the info. exactly what the preservative was, but, well, I have trouble now remembering simple things I DO remember that when all this transpired, I was fostering kittens, using Eukanuba Kitten the owner freaked after reading showing me the info. Also, since I was in charge of ordering, I did do a lot more research.Totally freaked at the preservatives being used in high quality, well known, commercial foods.It was at that point, we switched to mostly only natural foods.. Now you got me wanting to go back in my files dig out the info. Only problem, heck, I can't remember where all my files are. And, again your right... There are more deaths connected to so many other things. It's not black white Just wish I could recall where we got info. from.(Maybe one day I'll get my memory back- Wishful thinking) But, you did make a good point. I do understand exactly what you're saying, so no offense taken. That's probably one of the best things about this group... We can all say/write our own opinions w/out being afraid of repercussions This group has always been my support, and heaven knows, I need it now more than ever. Hugs, Patti her gang ** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.
Re: any other catfood suggestions
In a message dated 3/24/07 3:04:26 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Science Diet CRAP? It has been proven that Science Diet (Eukanuba) use a preservative known to be a carsinogenative.. Patti her gang ** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.
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patti, hon, i don't know what you're quoting from, because i think that's phaewyrn's terminology, not mine, and even if it were, i'm pretty sure i didn't have anything to say about it yesterday! my feelings have been noted before--as have yours and phaewyrn's. we disagree. i think there are FAR worse choices than science diet-- and if we're gonna stop using everything that has or is suspected of having carcinogens in them, we may as well just give up, because we're living in a time of such corporate irresponsibility and lack of ethics that there would be rat poison in human food if it meant production costs were lower and the manufacturers thought they wouldn't be caught. i know of far more cats who have died from bacterially caused illness from being fed raw diets than can be linked to science diet... it's just NOT black and white. MC On 3/25/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 3/24/07 3:04:26 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Science Diet CRAP? It has been proven that Science Diet (Eukanuba) use a preservative known to be a carsinogenative.. Patti her gang -- AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at *AOL.com* http://www.aol.com?ncid=AOLAOF0002000339. -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: any other catfood suggestions
I don't have anymore to say on the issue either well, other than pointing out that the brand I feed isn't being recalled due to bad manufacturing practices and low quality testing standards. :-) Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources
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Neither is Friskies and Meow Mix. I caught my guys digging through the Chicken Soup and California Natural dry food to get at the Meow Mix in the bottom of the troughsuh, I mean bowls. So I caved and bought them a big bag of Meow Mix. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't have anymore to say on the issue either well, other than pointing out that the brand I feed isn't being recalled due to bad manufacturing practices and low quality testing standards. :-) Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources
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Beth, Please don't take one person's word as the opinion of the list. We do what we can. And I applaud you for your rescue work. I have had friends whose cats lived much longer, healthier lives than my own have who ate supermarket generic brands. I am sure you do the best you can for your cats, and please try not to be offended by the entire list based on one person's patronizing attitude. tonya Gussies mom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is ridiculous. I come to this list because I have a sick baby that I love very much. A cat that is not even mine, though I wouldn't give him up for the world. I'm looking for help and support. Now I'm being told I feed my cats CRAP because I feed Science Diet because that is what the shelter gives me. Now I'm being told I should give up my cats to someone who can feed them better. My cats are all from the streets. They are problem cats that nobody else wanted. Who would you suggest take them? I do rescue. There are thousands of people trying to give up their animals. Should the shelter I work with, that took in 700 animals last year, not take in unwanted animals or pull them from death row because, after all, we will be feeding them Science Diet CRAP? Should we not have taken in the cats with the broken legs, the one that needed heart surgery, the one that was lit on fire, the ones who's teeth are bad and have to be pulled, the ones who were kept in chicken coops their whole lives, the ones who are so neglected they are afraid of human touch, the ones who were sent by their wonderful owners to live out their last days awaitng the gas chamber because they grew old or became to much work; because we would have to feed them Science Diet? I guess we should have told them we couldn't spend all that money on medical care for them because we needed to feed them more expensive food. I'm sure they would have understood. Perhaps we should have left Stamp crying in the bushes at the Post Office. I'm sure someone in that run down neighborhood would have come along and given him a much better home with better food. I'm sure there were people just lined up! My cats are taken care of. They go to the vet when they are sick. They are loved. That's probably more than most cats in this world have. I buy my clothes at thrift shops - yes, you can find nice things there. I just sold an 11 year old car with 200,000 miles and bought a care with 91,000 miles. I struggle to pay $425 per month for health insurance with a 2,500 deductible. I don't go out to eat a lot. I ususally eat yogurt for dinner. I struggle to fund a 401K every month so I will have money in my old age. . The last vacation I took (first in about 10 years) was driving a paid for rental car (someone had hit my car, so I got a free rental) to Florida to stay for free with a friend who lives by the beach. We all struggle to make choices. I believe in personal responsibility. If have to take care of myself. Yes, that comes first. Because if I cannot do that, then I surely cannot take care of another living thing. Beth [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm of the very controversial opinion that no matter how many cats you have, there's no excuse to feed BAD food. If you can't afford to feed decent food, then you can't afford to have that many cats. Get less cats, not less expensive food. There isn't any excuse for anyone to ever feed a food that doesn't have meat as the first ingredient... if you can't afford to feed a meat-based diet, then you need to give up your cats to someone that can afford to take proper care of them. That being said... Healthwise is the cheap food I feed to my feral cats here. I would not consider anything cheaper than that (it does have corn, but it's pretty far down the ingredient list). My ferals are OBESE creatures, mind you - something you generally don't see, LOL! They live the life of luxury though, and lay around and sleep all day and night (except for food time). Here's the link to the website for Healthwise, and Natura (the company that makes it) is very good at getting it to most areas: http://naturapet.com/display.php?d=product-detail[EMAIL PROTECTED] Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources - TV dinner still cooling? Check out Tonight's Picks on Yahoo! TV.
Re: any other catfood suggestions
My personal cats average around 18 years (including one who was FIV+). The canned food of choice is Friskies. I buy it at Walmart or on sale at the grocery store. I tried upgrading their dry food to something corn-free but, after I caught them digging through the crunchy bowls to get at the cheap stuff on the bottom, I relented and picked up a bag of Meow Mix. They get liberal servings of people food and, again, I shop sales. The fosters all get the same as my own cats. 18 is a pretty good life for a cat. The diet doesn't seem to be hurting them a bit. They all get lots of love and have the run of the place, lots of freedom, soft beds, clean litterboxes, toys and cat trees and each other for company. I think that's why they live long lives -- life is good, why leave? Diet only goes so far. Love sustains any of us more than food ever will. catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Beth, Please don't take one person's word as the opinion of the list. We do what we can. And I applaud you for your rescue work. I have had friends whose cats lived much longer, healthier lives than my own have who ate supermarket generic brands. I am sure you do the best you can for your cats, and please try not to be offended by the entire list based on one person's patronizing attitude. tonya Gussies mom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is ridiculous. I come to this list because I have a sick baby that I love very much. A cat that is not even mine, though I wouldn't give him up for the world. I'm looking for help and support. Now I'm being told I feed my cats CRAP because I feed Science Diet because that is what the shelter gives me. Now I'm being told I should give up my cats to someone who can feed them better. My cats are all from the streets. They are problem cats that nobody else wanted. Who would you suggest take them? I do rescue. There are thousands of people trying to give up their animals. Should the shelter I work with, that took in 700 animals last year, not take in unwanted animals or pull them from death row because, after all, we will be feeding them Science Diet CRAP? Should we not have taken in the cats with the broken legs, the one that needed heart surgery, the one that was lit on fire, the ones who's teeth are bad and have to be pulled, the ones who were kept in chicken coops their whole lives, the ones who are so neglected they are afraid of human touch, the ones who were sent by their wonderful owners to live out their last days awaitng the gas chamber because they grew old or became to much work; because we would have to feed them Science Diet? I guess we should have told them we couldn't spend all that money on medical care for them because we needed to feed them more expensive food. I'm sure they would have understood. Perhaps we should have left Stamp crying in the bushes at the Post Office. I'm sure someone in that run down neighborhood would have come along and given him a much better home with better food. I'm sure there were people just lined up! My cats are taken care of. They go to the vet when they are sick. They are loved. That's probably more than most cats in this world have. I buy my clothes at thrift shops - yes, you can find nice things there. I just sold an 11 year old car with 200,000 miles and bought a care with 91,000 miles. I struggle to pay $425 per month for health insurance with a 2,500 deductible. I don't go out to eat a lot. I ususally eat yogurt for dinner. I struggle to fund a 401K every month so I will have money in my old age. . The last vacation I took (first in about 10 years) was driving a paid for rental car (someone had hit my car, so I got a free rental) to Florida to stay for free with a friend who lives by the beach. We all struggle to make choices. I believe in personal responsibility. If have to take care of myself. Yes, that comes first. Because if I cannot do that, then I surely cannot take care of another living thing. Beth [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm of the very controversial opinion that no matter how many cats you have, there's no excuse to feed BAD food. If you can't afford to feed decent food, then you can't afford to have that many cats. Get less cats, not less expensive food. There isn't any excuse for anyone to ever feed a food that doesn't have meat as the first ingredient... if you can't afford to feed a meat-based diet, then you need to give up your cats to someone that can afford to take proper care of them. That being said... Healthwise is the cheap food I feed to my feral cats here. I would not consider anything cheaper than that (it does have corn, but it's pretty far down the ingredient list). My ferals are OBESE creatures, mind you - something you generally don't see, LOL! They live the life of luxury though, and lay around and sleep all day and night (except for food time). Here's the link to
Re: any other catfood suggestions
you got that right! Love sustains any of us more than food ever will. was writing to nina last night, and a refrain from an old judy collins song popped into my head very applicable to a lot of the contentious things we discuss here. There is no one who can show you the road you should be on; they can only tell you they can show you then in the morning they'll be gone. ie, listen, learn, trust yourself enough to make your own decisions. MC -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
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Love sustains any of us more than food ever will. These are words of wisdom, Susan...so very true. You take wonderful care of your furry friends. elizabeth On 3/24/07, Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My personal cats average around 18 years (including one who was FIV+). The canned food of choice is Friskies. I buy it at Walmart or on sale at the grocery store. I tried upgrading their dry food to something corn-free but, after I caught them digging through the crunchy bowls to get at the cheap stuff on the bottom, I relented and picked up a bag of Meow Mix. They get liberal servings of people food and, again, I shop sales. The fosters all get the same as my own cats. 18 is a pretty good life for a cat. The diet doesn't seem to be hurting them a bit. They all get lots of love and have the run of the place, lots of freedom, soft beds, clean litterboxes, toys and cat trees and each other for company. I think that's why they live long lives -- life is good, why leave? Diet only goes so far. Love sustains any of us more than food ever will. *catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: Beth, Please don't take one person's word as the opinion of the list. We do what we can. And I applaud you for your rescue work. I have had friends whose cats lived much longer, healthier lives than my own have who ate supermarket generic brands. I am sure you do the best you can for your cats, and please try not to be offended by the entire list based on one person's patronizing attitude. tonya *Gussies mom [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: This is ridiculous. I come to this list because I have a sick baby that I love very much. A cat that is not even mine, though I wouldn't give him up for the world. I'm looking for help and support. Now I'm being told I feed my cats CRAP because I feed Science Diet because that is what the shelter gives me. Now I'm being told I should give up my cats to someone who can feed them better. My cats are all from the streets. They are problem cats that nobody else wanted. Who would you suggest take them? I do rescue. There are thousands of people trying to give up their animals. Should the shelter I work with, that took in 700 animals last year, not take in unwanted animals or pull them from death row because, after all, we will be feeding them Science Diet CRAP? Should we not have taken in the cats with the broken legs, the one that needed heart surgery, the one that was lit on fire, the ones who's teeth are bad and have to be pulled, the ones who were kept in chicken coops their whole lives, the ones who are so neglected they are afraid of human touch, the ones who were sent by their wonderful owners to live out their last days awaitng the gas chamber because they grew old or became to much work; because we would have to feed them Science Diet? I guess we should have told them we couldn't spend all that money on medical care for them because we needed to feed them more expensive food. I'm sure they would have understood. Perhaps we should have left Stamp crying in the bushes at the Post Office. I'm sure someone in that run down neighborhood would have come along and given him a much better home with better food. I'm sure there were people just lined up! My cats are taken care of. They go to the vet when they are sick. They are loved. That's probably more than most cats in this world have. I buy my clothes at thrift shops - yes, you can find nice things there. I just sold an 11 year old car with 200,000 miles and bought a care with 91,000 miles. I struggle to pay $425 per month for health insurance with a 2,500 deductible. I don't go out to eat a lot. I ususally eat yogurt for dinner. I struggle to fund a 401K every month so I will have money in my old age. . The last vacation I took (first in about 10 years) was driving a paid for rental car (someone had hit my car, so I got a free rental) to Florida to stay for free with a friend who lives by the beach. We all struggle to make choices. I believe in personal responsibility. If have to take care of myself. Yes, that comes first. Because if I cannot do that, then I surely cannot take care of another living thing. ** *Beth* ** *[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: I'm of the very controversial opinion that no matter how many cats you have, there's no excuse to feed BAD food. If you can't afford to feed decent food, then you can't afford to have that many cats. Get less cats, not less expensive food. There isn't any excuse for anyone to ever feed a food that doesn't have meat as the first ingredient... if you can't afford to feed a meat-based diet, then you need to give up your cats to someone that can afford to take proper care of them. That being said... Healthwise is the cheap food I feed to my feral cats here. I would not consider anything cheaper than that (it does have corn, but it's pretty far down the ingredient list). My ferals are OBESE creatures, mind you - something you generally don't see, LOL! They live the
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Great advice, MC :0) I am so very glad to be a part of this list. In my heart, I know that if I had not joined - Mama Kitty would not be with us today. She's having a wonderful day in the sunshine -- and she drank a lot of water this morning! She's been helping me plant verbena and impatiens. Finally, I can take a breath. elizabeth On 3/24/07, TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you got that right! Love sustains any of us more than food ever will. was writing to nina last night, and a refrain from an old judy collins song popped into my head very applicable to a lot of the contentious things we discuss here. There is no one who can show you the road you should be on; they can only tell you they can show you then in the morning they'll be gone. ie, listen, learn, trust yourself enough to make your own decisions. MC -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
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Hooray!!! elizabeth trent wrote: Great advice, MC :0) I am so very glad to be a part of this list. In my heart, I know that if I had not joined - Mama Kitty would not be with us today. She's having a wonderful day in the sunshine -- and she drank a lot of water this morning! She's been helping me plant verbena and impatiens. Finally, I can take a breath. elizabeth
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WOOHOO!! Hugs to you and Mama Kitty! :) Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hooray!!! elizabeth trent wrote: Great advice, MC :0) I am so very glad to be a part of this list. In my heart, I know that if I had not joined - Mama Kitty would not be with us today. She's having a wonderful day in the sunshine -- and she drank a lot of water this morning! She's been helping me plant verbena and impatiens. Finally, I can take a breath. elizabeth - Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos.
Re: To Phaewryn: Re: any other catfood suggestions (iGive and buying petfood online)
You said that you pay about $14 for a case of Innova??? Is it Evo? I pay more than double that! Is this a case of the small 24 count cans, or the 12 count larger cans? Is this online? No, it's the regular Innova, or California Natural (same price), large cans (13.2 OZ), 12 per case. I do get a rescue discount of 10% which helps a lot! My vet has their own food store, they don't mark things up like lots of retail chains do. It's still not cheap... about $1.15 a can. Online, Petfooddirect isn't too bad... and they are part of the iGive network, so all your purchases can create a donation to iGive at NO cost to you (I give to Feline Veterinary Emergency Assistance through iGive). Innova canned cases: http://www.petfooddirect.com/store/product_detail.asp?pf%5Fid=3021203KTdept%5Fid=6brand%5Fid=9Page=mscssid=AMP9W4QD50BU8PD334JJWQ8QJC9X0R89 Innova EVO canned cases: http://www.petfooddirect.com/store/product_detail.asp?pf%5Fid=3021207KTdept%5Fid=6brand%5Fid=9Page=mscssid=AMP9W4QD50BU8PD334JJWQ8QJC9X0R89 You have to sign up for iGive before you go to petfooddirect tho, and it will give you a downloadable program called the iGive window, which redirects you automatically through iGive anytime you visit a participating retailer, and there are LOTS of good ones that participate, like petfooddirect, nationalpetpharmacy, and drsfostersmith, 1800petmeds, jefferspet, petsmart, etc. To join iGive to donate to FVEAP (like I do, it's a great program that saves lives) go to: http://www.igive.com/FVEAP To learn more about FVEAP, go to their website: http://www.fveap.org/sys-tmpl/faqaboutus/ Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources
To Beth: Re: any other catfood suggestions
Beth, Most everyone here understands what it's like to be limited by our income. Shoot, if I had unlimited funds, I'd feed myself and my cats Filet Mignon every night (sorry vegans)...I'd also buy a membership to the only decent health club in town here (very expensive; next to the country club). Shoot, I'd even hire a personal trainer and personal chef. But since I can't take the best possible care of myself, my family, and my furbabies, I do what we can financially. Phaewryn was right when she said that we all have our priorities, but one person's priorities may be vastly different from anothers and all priorities are tempered by our income, unfortunately. When my cat Cricket was dying from anemia, many people here urged me to get him a transfusion. I just couldn't afford it, as we had already spent over $500, and there was no guarantee. If I had unlimited funds, I would have done it, but I don't. And I knew that most if not all members knew I was doing what I could and there was no mistake that I loved Cricket. We all know you love your furbabies and rescues. No one can question that. It must be frustrating doing rescue. We have a neighbor who's had their cat Sammie for a long time. Sammie is VERY particular, and doesn't let anyone but his 'dad' and me, the neighbor who's kitty sat him from time to time, pet him. He's recently nipped their four year old son a couple of times on his hand and left a little mark, nothing that I personally would worry about, since it teaches the child boundaries, yet they are going to find Sammie a new home now. Sammie would most likely not do well with other cats, and he's grossly overweight which also might make his less adoptable. It makes me sick that this is an option for them. He's been with them for a long time. I care about my neighbors, but don't agree with them giving up on Sammie. I can't imagine how you deal with surrenders regularly. My opinion is keep up with your wonderful rescue work, and don't give in to less cats vs. better food. I bet the cats would second this. Bless you for all you do for your rescues. They are lucky to have you. Have a great Saturday, :) Wendy Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/domains/?p=BESTDEAL
To Phaewryn: Re: any other catfood suggestions
Phaewryn, You said that you pay about $14 for a case of Innova??? Is it Evo? I pay more than double that! Is this a case of the small 24 count cans, or the 12 count larger cans? Is this online? Thanks for the info. :) Wendy --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm going to go get my last cat food bill (I go twice a month) Ok, according to my math, I use 4-5 cases of wet California Natural or Innova a month at $13.93 each. I use 4 bags of healthwise for the ferals at $17.09 each, and I use one bag of either California Natural or Innova Senior dry a month (for the housecats between wet meals) at $21.00 - $35.00 a bag (senior is more expensive). That's a total of about $130 or so a month (but I do bad math, so I could be off a bit), and it feeds 7 housecats and about 5 ferals. Mind you, I get a 10% discount from my vet's office for my food since I am a rescue, so I get these foods a bit cheaper than most people get them retail. Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by Green Rating at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/
Re: To Phaewryn: Re: any other catfood suggestions
I would like to know this too. I pay $35 for a case of Felidae wet food..the big cans... On 3/17/07, wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Phaewryn, You said that you pay about $14 for a case of Innova??? Is it Evo? I pay more than double that! Is this a case of the small 24 count cans, or the 12 count larger cans? Is this online? Thanks for the info. :) Wendy --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm going to go get my last cat food bill (I go twice a month) Ok, according to my math, I use 4-5 cases of wet California Natural or Innova a month at $13.93 each. I use 4 bags of healthwise for the ferals at $17.09 each, and I use one bag of either California Natural or Innova Senior dry a month (for the housecats between wet meals) at $21.00 - $35.00 a bag (senior is more expensive). That's a total of about $130 or so a month (but I do bad math, so I could be off a bit), and it feeds 7 housecats and about 5 ferals. Mind you, I get a 10% discount from my vet's office for my food since I am a rescue, so I get these foods a bit cheaper than most people get them retail. Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by Green Rating at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/ -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
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Beth, You are a wonderful person for giving of yourself (and beyond the financially comfortable) to save and care for these precious lives who have been thrown away. This list is for information and moral support, not putting others down and judgments. Shame on anyone doing so. Most of us want to do the best we can for as many as we can and there will always be so many more kitties suffering for the lack of someone like you. Big hugs to you and pets to the blessed kitties who pass your way. Del - Original Message - From: Gussies mom To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 4:28 PM Subject: Re: any other catfood suggestions This is ridiculous. I come to this list because I have a sick baby that I love very much. A cat that is not even mine, though I wouldn't give him up for the world. I'm looking for help and support. Now I'm being told I feed my cats CRAP because I feed Science Diet because that is what the shelter gives me. Now I'm being told I should give up my cats to someone who can feed them better. My cats are all from the streets. They are problem cats that nobody else wanted. Who would you suggest take them? I do rescue. There are thousands of people trying to give up their animals. Should the shelter I work with, that took in 700 animals last year, not take in unwanted animals or pull them from death row because, after all, we will be feeding them Science Diet CRAP? Should we not have taken in the cats with the broken legs, the one that needed heart surgery, the one that was lit on fire, the ones who's teeth are bad and have to be pulled, the ones who were kept in chicken coops their whole lives, the ones who are so neglected they are afraid of human touch, the ones who were sent by their wonderful owners to live out their last days awaitng the gas chamber because they grew old or became to much work; because we would have to feed them Science Diet? I guess we should have told them we couldn't spend all that money on medical care for them because we needed to feed them more expensive food. I'm sure they would have understood. Perhaps we should have left Stamp crying in the bushes at the Post Office. I'm sure someone in that run down neighborhood would have come along and given him a much better home with better food. I'm sure there were people just lined up! My cats are taken care of. They go to the vet when they are sick. They are loved. That's probably more than most cats in this world have. I buy my clothes at thrift shops - yes, you can find nice things there. I just sold an 11 year old car with 200,000 miles and bought a care with 91,000 miles. I struggle to pay $425 per month for health insurance with a 2,500 deductible. I don't go out to eat a lot. I ususally eat yogurt for dinner. I struggle to fund a 401K every month so I will have money in my old age. . The last vacation I took (first in about 10 years) was driving a paid for rental car (someone had hit my car, so I got a free rental) to Florida to stay for free with a friend who lives by the beach. We all struggle to make choices. I believe in personal responsibility. If have to take care of myself. Yes, that comes first. Because if I cannot do that, then I surely cannot take care of another living thing. Beth [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm of the very controversial opinion that no matter how many cats you have, there's no excuse to feed BAD food. If you can't afford to feed decent food, then you can't afford to have that many cats. Get less cats, not less expensive food. There isn't any excuse for anyone to ever feed a food that doesn't have meat as the first ingredient... if you can't afford to feed a meat-based diet, then you need to give up your cats to someone that can afford to take proper care of them. That being said... Healthwise is the cheap food I feed to my feral cats here. I would not consider anything cheaper than that (it does have corn, but it's pretty far down the ingredient list). My ferals are OBESE creatures, mind you - something you generally don't see, LOL! They live the life of luxury though, and lay around and sleep all day and night (except for food time). Here's the link to the website for Healthwise, and Natura (the company that makes it) is very good at getting it to most areas: http://naturapet.com/display.php?d=product-detail[EMAIL PROTECTED] Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources -- TV dinner still cooling? Check out Tonight's Picks on Yahoo! TV.
Re: any other catfood suggestions
Isn't that the truth. We have cats that I can put tuna in front of and they won't touch it. Then we had the one who would only eat the Wal Mart brand Albacore tuna. When we were bottle feeding we had a horrible time with some of them - they would still be drinking ONLY KMR if allowed. I remember mixing home made formula (evaportaed milk, baby cereal, egg yolk, with a drop of corn syrup) - most loved it but some refused to get near it. We have one cat on S/O 9prescription diet) for urinary tract infection.The vet told us to put one of the others on it also. Patches almost died. She stopped eating altogether. It took us forever to get her eating again. She went anorexic. With using the abacore tuna and Friskies Pacific Salmon - she is now back up to 10 pounds and doing great. -Original Message- From: Belinda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent: Mar 16, 2007 1:42 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: any other catfood suggestions And then you have those cats that simply WILL NOT eat the "good stuff", I can beg until I'm blue in the face, I have a few who will eat anything BUT I have a couple who will stop eating if I only put down the "good stuff", they just won't have it. I make the change gradually, teaspoon at a time in their regular food, I've even had them eat it for a while after taking months to get them switched over and then suddenly they just refuse to eat it any more. I've gotten my group off Fancy Feast 3 times in the last several years but they ALWAYS eventually quit eating the "good stuff" and after a few days of them not eating they get their Fancy Feast back. I'm not happy about but I know all too well the dangers of not eating and I ain't going there!!! I have to disagree with some of the below. It is nice to want to feed your cats the very best, however circumstances beyond some peoples control make that impossible.-- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: any other catfood suggestions
Most of my brood eat primarily canned food (and people food), with dry food
always available for snacking. The only cats I have ever seen devour the
expensive high quality canned food were half-starved new arrivals. They had
come from such awful circumstances that they would have eaten paint off the
walls too.
Say what you want about Friskies canned, but I have two who will eat nothing
else. At least Sylvia (found last spring skinny as a rail and hugely pregnant)
will eat dry food in a pinch but she would rather live on Friskies shredded
turkey and cheese in gravy. Marie, one of my own cats, lives off of the
Friskies Prime Fillets in gravy. She's 9 years old and has refused all other
forms of cat food, including dry, her entire lifebut she will eat chicken,
turkey, tuna, meat baby food, asparagus, Chinese take-out curried chicken...you
get the idea.
Everyone (except Marie, of course) likes Kirkland dry, several varieties of
Purina dry, Science Diet, Iams, Eukanuba, Chicken Soup for the Cat Lover's
Soul. If I were to feed only one brand of dry, I woiuld go with the Chicken
Soup variety. Read the label. In terms of quality and nutrition, it's good
stuff. And they like it.
I supplement with a lot of people foodusually one meal a day is people
food. In November and December I cooked a turkey every other weekend. It's
cheap that time of year (a 20 pound turkey cost about the same as a case of
Friskies canned at Wallmart), they love it, it's good for them, and if I put it
in on Friday night before going to bed and cooked it at around 200 degrees, I
woke up to a warm house and salivating cats. I look for boneless skinless
chicken breasts on sale for 1.99 a pound, buy 4-pound cans of tuna and salmon
from a discount grocery.
If there's something they like -- like Marie Callendar brand rice, chicken,
cheese and broccoli casserole (for Little Sister Fuzzy Toes, a true gourmand
who also likes fruit pastries, cheese filled coffee cake, bagels with or
without cream cheese) or chicken and cheese quesadillas (for Selma) or pureed
sweet potatos (Bandida) they get it from time to time. (We had quite a run on
pumpkin cheese cake around here when the discount grocery got a ton of it after
the holidays.)
My personal cats tend to live to be around 18 years old. The fosters plump
up nicely, get over any issues of food aggression quickly, and socialize well.
So I must be doing something right. Never had any cases of diabetes or gout.
And if I tried to switch them to a primary diet of high-end dry food they would
probably kill me in my sleep. Or pee in my shoes for revenge. So I think I'll
just keep catering to their tastes and keep the peace.
Debbie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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#ff;color: black;} Isn't that the truth. We have cats that I can put
tuna in front of and they won't touch it. Then we had the one who would only
eat the Wal Mart brand Albacore tuna. When we were bottle feeding we had a
horrible time with some of them - they would still be drinking ONLY KMR if
allowed. I remember mixing home made formula (evaportaed milk, baby cereal, egg
yolk, with a drop of corn syrup) - most loved it but some refused to get near
it.
We have one cat on S/O 9prescription diet) for urinary tract infection. The
vet told us to put one of the others on it also. Patches almost died. She
stopped eating altogether. It took us forever to get her eating again. She went
anorexic. With using the abacore tuna and Friskies Pacific Salmon - she is now
back up to 10 pounds and doing great.
-Original Message-
From: Belinda
Sent: Mar 16, 2007 1:42 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: any other catfood suggestions
And then you have those cats that simply WILL NOT eat the good stuff, I
can beg until I'm blue in the face, I have a few who will eat anything BUT I
have a couple who will stop eating if I only put down the good stuff, they
just won't have it. I make the change gradually, teaspoon at a time in their
regular food, I've even had them eat it for a while after taking months to get
them switched over and then suddenly they just refuse to eat it any more. I've
gotten my group off Fancy Feast 3 times in the last several years but they
ALWAYS eventually quit eating the good stuff and after a few days of them not
eating they get their Fancy Feast back. I'm not happy about but I know all too
well the dangers of not eating and I ain't going there!!!
I have to disagree with some of the below. It is nice to want to feed your
cats the very best, however circumstances beyond some peoples control make that
impossible.
-- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ...Be-Mi-Kitties
http://bemikitties.comPost Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens
http://adopt.bemikitties.comFeLV Candlelight
Re: any other catfood suggestions
I think I am really lucky all mine eat the medium end dry food. Suzie does like to steal my chicken and cheese quesadillas right out of my hand, though:). I've never seen them refuse any sort of canned food - Felidae or the cheap stuff. I do save the cheap stuff (which I get donated a lot) for inappetant cats. If they get URI sometimes Friskies moist will get them to eat when nothing else will:) On 3/16/07, Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Most of my brood eat primarily canned food (and people food), with dry food always available for snacking. The only cats I have ever seen devour the expensive high quality canned food were half-starved new arrivals. They had come from such awful circumstances that they would have eaten paint off the walls too. Say what you want about Friskies canned, but I have two who will eat nothing else. At least Sylvia (found last spring skinny as a rail and hugely pregnant) will eat dry food in a pinch but she would rather live on Friskies shredded turkey and cheese in gravy. Marie, one of my own cats, lives off of the Friskies Prime Fillets in gravy. She's 9 years old and has refused all other forms of cat food, including dry, her entire lifebut she will eat chicken, turkey, tuna, meat baby food, asparagus, Chinese take-out curried chicken...you get the idea. Everyone (except Marie, of course) likes Kirkland dry, several varieties of Purina dry, Science Diet, Iams, Eukanuba, Chicken Soup for the Cat Lover's Soul. If I were to feed only one brand of dry, I woiuld go with the Chicken Soup variety. Read the label. In terms of quality and nutrition, it's good stuff. And they like it. I supplement with a lot of people foodusually one meal a day is people food. In November and December I cooked a turkey every other weekend. It's cheap that time of year (a 20 pound turkey cost about the same as a case of Friskies canned at Wallmart), they love it, it's good for them, and if I put it in on Friday night before going to bed and cooked it at around 200 degrees, I woke up to a warm house and salivating cats. I look for boneless skinless chicken breasts on sale for 1.99 a pound, buy 4-pound cans of tuna and salmon from a discount grocery. If there's something they like -- like Marie Callendar brand rice, chicken, cheese and broccoli casserole (for Little Sister Fuzzy Toes, a true gourmand who also likes fruit pastries, cheese filled coffee cake, bagels with or without cream cheese) or chicken and cheese quesadillas (for Selma) or pureed sweet potatos (Bandida) they get it from time to time. (We had quite a run on pumpkin cheese cake around here when the discount grocery got a ton of it after the holidays.) My personal cats tend to live to be around 18 years old. The fosters plump up nicely, get over any issues of food aggression quickly, and socialize well. So I must be doing something right. Never had any cases of diabetes or gout. And if I tried to switch them to a primary diet of high-end dry food they would probably kill me in my sleep. Or pee in my shoes for revenge. So I think I'll just keep catering to their tastes and keep the peace. *Debbie [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: Isn't that the truth. We have cats that I can put tuna in front of and they won't touch it. Then we had the one who would only eat the Wal Mart brand Albacore tuna. When we were bottle feeding we had a horrible time with some of them - they would still be drinking ONLY KMR if allowed. I remember mixing home made formula (evaportaed milk, baby cereal, egg yolk, with a drop of corn syrup) - most loved it but some refused to get near it. We have one cat on S/O 9prescription diet) for urinary tract infection. The vet told us to put one of the others on it also. Patches almost died. She stopped eating altogether. It took us forever to get her eating again. She went anorexic. With using the abacore tuna and Friskies Pacific Salmon - she is now back up to 10 pounds and doing great. -Original Message- From: Belinda Sent: Mar 16, 2007 1:42 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: any other catfood suggestions And then you have those cats that simply WILL NOT eat the good stuff, I can beg until I'm blue in the face, I have a few who will eat anything BUT I have a couple who will stop eating if I only put down the good stuff, they just won't have it. I make the change gradually, teaspoon at a time in their regular food, I've even had them eat it for a while after taking months to get them switched over and then suddenly they just refuse to eat it any more. I've gotten my group off Fancy Feast 3 times in the last several years but they ALWAYS eventually quit eating the good stuff and after a few days of them not eating they get their Fancy Feast back. I'm not happy about but I know all too well the dangers of not eating and I ain't going there!!! I have to disagree with some of the below. It is nice to want to feed your cats the very best, however
Re: any other catfood suggestions
yep, as i've said before, sometimes when dealing with cats, the best food is whatever the heck they'll eat.. until THEY start reading the labels and the research--or better yet, DIRECTING the research, sometimes we just have to listen to them (my very-early-crf darling--psychotic, all-4-paw-declawed calico, is one of those would-rather-starve-to-death-than-eat-ANYTHING-but-delicat... or as i've always called it, garbage food. she's been with me almost 7 years, and she would NOT switch, so i just fed her separately when her BUN went up, started making her the ground turkey food, which she was eating well. had a little foster meezer in that room with her, who was eating the science diet. knew lacey wouldn't touch it, so didn't worry. noticed two weeks ago that lacey was NOT eating much of her turkey food--but she WAS eating the science diet, after all these years. little BEAST. (lacey, you're going to DIE if you don't eat the good food! i'm going to die anyway, mom. well, yes, but i'd rather it be later than sooner. mom, don't you realize by now that there really isn't anything you can do to change anything? that what's supposed to happen is gonna? just love me. don't you hate philosophical smart-aleck calicos? ) On 3/16/07, Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Most of my brood eat primarily canned food (and people food), with dry food always available for snacking. The only cats I have ever seen devour the expensive high quality canned food were half-starved new arrivals. They had come from such awful circumstances that they would have eaten paint off the walls too. Say what you want about Friskies canned, but I have two who will eat nothing else. At least Sylvia (found last spring skinny as a rail and hugely pregnant) will eat dry food in a pinch but she would rather live on Friskies shredded turkey and cheese in gravy. Marie, one of my own cats, lives off of the Friskies Prime Fillets in gravy. She's 9 years old and has refused all other forms of cat food, including dry, her entire lifebut she will eat chicken, turkey, tuna, meat baby food, asparagus, Chinese take-out curried chicken...you get the idea. Everyone (except Marie, of course) likes Kirkland dry, several varieties of Purina dry, Science Diet, Iams, Eukanuba, Chicken Soup for the Cat Lover's Soul. If I were to feed only one brand of dry, I woiuld go with the Chicken Soup variety. Read the label. In terms of quality and nutrition, it's good stuff. And they like it. I supplement with a lot of people foodusually one meal a day is people food. In November and December I cooked a turkey every other weekend. It's cheap that time of year (a 20 pound turkey cost about the same as a case of Friskies canned at Wallmart), they love it, it's good for them, and if I put it in on Friday night before going to bed and cooked it at around 200 degrees, I woke up to a warm house and salivating cats. I look for boneless skinless chicken breasts on sale for 1.99 a pound, buy 4-pound cans of tuna and salmon from a discount grocery. If there's something they like -- like Marie Callendar brand rice, chicken, cheese and broccoli casserole (for Little Sister Fuzzy Toes, a true gourmand who also likes fruit pastries, cheese filled coffee cake, bagels with or without cream cheese) or chicken and cheese quesadillas (for Selma) or pureed sweet potatos (Bandida) they get it from time to time. (We had quite a run on pumpkin cheese cake around here when the discount grocery got a ton of it after the holidays.) My personal cats tend to live to be around 18 years old. The fosters plump up nicely, get over any issues of food aggression quickly, and socialize well. So I must be doing something right. Never had any cases of diabetes or gout. And if I tried to switch them to a primary diet of high-end dry food they would probably kill me in my sleep. Or pee in my shoes for revenge. So I think I'll just keep catering to their tastes and keep the peace. *Debbie [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: Isn't that the truth. We have cats that I can put tuna in front of and they won't touch it. Then we had the one who would only eat the Wal Mart brand Albacore tuna. When we were bottle feeding we had a horrible time with some of them - they would still be drinking ONLY KMR if allowed. I remember mixing home made formula (evaportaed milk, baby cereal, egg yolk, with a drop of corn syrup) - most loved it but some refused to get near it. We have one cat on S/O 9prescription diet) for urinary tract infection. The vet told us to put one of the others on it also. Patches almost died. She stopped eating altogether. It took us forever to get her eating again. She went anorexic. With using the abacore tuna and Friskies Pacific Salmon - she is now back up to 10 pounds and doing great. -Original Message- From: Belinda Sent: Mar 16, 2007 1:42 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: any other catfood suggestions And then you have
Re: any other catfood suggestions
In a message dated 3/15/07 9:01:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: (and there are quite a few people who are very poor and yet share a tremendous amount with their pets) That would definitely be me, especially since my MVA. ( I was on SSDI PRIOR to MVA, NO insurance, now faced w/ over $200,000 + [ever growing] medical expenses... Having said that, my furbabies still come first And, since coming home I've been faced with - 1) Cornelius's passing - very suddenly unexpected 2) Puma's illness[es] - diagnosed with both toxo [dry] FIP 3) Black Bart, a feral who NEVER trusted me. [And it was Charity, another feral, who led me to him ] And, finally he put his trust in meJust sadly too late. And dear Charity, is no longer an outside feral. In fact, w/ me she's a love muffin! Downside, I am the only human she trusts In my home, in a large crate 'til I get her to vetThank heavens I had her spayed when I trapped her, but her constant, close contact w/ Bart does have me concerned. Just another vet bill - which ALWAYS gets paid!] Needless to say, it was too late for poor old Bart.[severely anemic, old, thin but VERY bloated, lots of fluid, probably the most classic case of [wet] FIP I've ever seen], and doing rescue almost my entire life, I have seen too much. And still intact. And 4) - my precious fish, won't even get into that - but I did lose my Fred... However, I always made a point to get these babies to vet [$$$]. Even w/ Rescue Rates it has been awfully expensive, be it exams, [including BW ongoing meds/treatments - Puma] or euthanasia (Bart) cremation -[Cornelius and Bart] - no room in freezer, poor Fred's STILL there! And, yes, I do feed them expensive dry food..(Always did, always will..) That being said, I will confess, I DO feed Friskies wet. And my dear, ancient Puma does get his Fancy Feast whenever he desires. Which is at least 4+ X a day He's ancient I feel he deserves whatever he wants.. And, not to get completely OT, but I cook for my (4) dogs! Yes, they DO get dry, but living w/ a dog w/ food allergies is certainly a challenge, to put it mildly. Only upside is it's ok. [I'm a vegan have a veg dog!!! Probably not too many people can attest to that!] Natural Balance Only Natural Pet have some GREAT food. Dog Cat. Sorry I went OT rambled, but being housebound, I don't get out much.. Hugs to all, Patti her gang ** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.
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This is ridiculous. I come to this list because I have a sick baby that I love very much. A cat that is not even mine, though I wouldn't give him up for the world. I'm looking for help and support. Now I'm being told I feed my cats CRAP because I feed Science Diet because that is what the shelter gives me. Now I'm being told I should give up my cats to someone who can feed them better. My cats are all from the streets. They are problem cats that nobody else wanted. Who would you suggest take them? I do rescue. There are thousands of people trying to give up their animals. Should the shelter I work with, that took in 700 animals last year, not take in unwanted animals or pull them from death row because, after all, we will be feeding them Science Diet CRAP? Should we not have taken in the cats with the broken legs, the one that needed heart surgery, the one that was lit on fire, the ones who's teeth are bad and have to be pulled, the ones who were kept in chicken coops their whole lives, the ones who are so neglected they are afraid of human touch, the ones who were sent by their wonderful owners to live out their last days awaitng the gas chamber because they grew old or became to much work; because we would have to feed them Science Diet? I guess we should have told them we couldn't spend all that money on medical care for them because we needed to feed them more expensive food. I'm sure they would have understood. Perhaps we should have left Stamp crying in the bushes at the Post Office. I'm sure someone in that run down neighborhood would have come along and given him a much better home with better food. I'm sure there were people just lined up! My cats are taken care of. They go to the vet when they are sick. They are loved. That's probably more than most cats in this world have. I buy my clothes at thrift shops - yes, you can find nice things there. I just sold an 11 year old car with 200,000 miles and bought a care with 91,000 miles. I struggle to pay $425 per month for health insurance with a 2,500 deductible. I don't go out to eat a lot. I ususally eat yogurt for dinner. I struggle to fund a 401K every month so I will have money in my old age. . The last vacation I took (first in about 10 years) was driving a paid for rental car (someone had hit my car, so I got a free rental) to Florida to stay for free with a friend who lives by the beach. We all struggle to make choices. I believe in personal responsibility. If have to take care of myself. Yes, that comes first. Because if I cannot do that, then I surely cannot take care of another living thing. Beth [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm of the very controversial opinion that no matter how many cats you have, there's no excuse to feed BAD food. If you can't afford to feed decent food, then you can't afford to have that many cats. Get less cats, not less expensive food. There isn't any excuse for anyone to ever feed a food that doesn't have meat as the first ingredient... if you can't afford to feed a meat-based diet, then you need to give up your cats to someone that can afford to take proper care of them. That being said... Healthwise is the cheap food I feed to my feral cats here. I would not consider anything cheaper than that (it does have corn, but it's pretty far down the ingredient list). My ferals are OBESE creatures, mind you - something you generally don't see, LOL! They live the life of luxury though, and lay around and sleep all day and night (except for food time). Here's the link to the website for Healthwise, and Natura (the company that makes it) is very good at getting it to most areas: http://naturapet.com/display.php?d=product-detail[EMAIL PROTECTED] Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources - TV dinner still cooling? Check out Tonight's Picks on Yahoo! TV.
RE: any other catfood suggestions--for Patti
I'll say it again, Pattiyou are such an inspiration to me! hugs, Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 4:08 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: any other catfood suggestions In a message dated 3/15/07 9:01:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: (and there are quite a few people who are very poor and yet share a tremendous amount with their pets) That would definitely be me, especially since my MVA. ( I was on SSDI PRIOR to MVA, NO insurance, now faced w/ over $200,000 + [ever growing] medical expenses... Having said that, my furbabies still come first And, since coming home I've been faced with - 1) Cornelius's passing - very suddenly unexpected 2) Puma's illness[es] - diagnosed with both toxo [dry] FIP 3) Black Bart, a feral who NEVER trusted me. [And it was Charity, another feral, who led me to him ] And, finally he put his trust in meJust sadly too late. And dear Charity, is no longer an outside feral. In fact, w/ me she's a love muffin! Downside, I am the only human she trusts In my home, in a large crate 'til I get her to vetThank heavens I had her spayed when I trapped her, but her constant, close contact w/ Bart does have me concerned. Just another vet bill - which ALWAYS gets paid!] Needless to say, it was too late for poor old Bart.[severely anemic, old, thin but VERY bloated, lots of fluid, probably the most classic case of [wet] FIP I've ever seen], and doing rescue almost my entire life, I have seen too much. And still intact. And 4) - my precious fish, won't even get into that - but I did lose my Fred... However, I always made a point to get these babies to vet [$$$]. Even w/ Rescue Rates it has been awfully expensive, be it exams, [including BW ongoing meds/treatments - Puma] or euthanasia (Bart) cremation -[Cornelius and Bart] - no room in freezer, poor Fred's STILL there! And, yes, I do feed them expensive dry food..(Always did, always will..) That being said, I will confess, I DO feed Friskies wet. And my dear, ancient Puma does get his Fancy Feast whenever he desires. Which is at least 4+ X a day He's ancient I feel he deserves whatever he wants.. And, not to get completely OT, but I cook for my (4) dogs! Yes, they DO get dry, but living w/ a dog w/ food allergies is certainly a challenge, to put it mildly. Only upside is it's ok. [I'm a vegan have a veg dog!!! Probably not too many people can attest to that!] Natural Balance Only Natural Pet have some GREAT food. Dog Cat. Sorry I went OT rambled, but being housebound, I don't get out much.. Hugs to all, Patti her gang http://cdn-cf.aol.com/se/clip_art/gstres/anmls/cat _ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com http://www.aol.com?ncid=AOLAOF0002000339 . IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers' particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
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Agreed. Would that it were so easy to find homes, and solve the problem of homeless cats. One day, hopefully, but that sure ain't the case now. Thanks for everything you do Beth. If there were more like you the world would be a better place. (And that goes for Phaewryn too.) Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gussies mom Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 4:29 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: any other catfood suggestions This is ridiculous. I come to this list because I have a sick baby that I love very much. A cat that is not even mine, though I wouldn't give him up for the world. I'm looking for help and support. Now I'm being told I feed my cats CRAP because I feed Science Diet because that is what the shelter gives me. Now I'm being told I should give up my cats to someone who can feed them better. My cats are all from the streets. They are problem cats that nobody else wanted. Who would you suggest take them? I do rescue. There are thousands of people trying to give up their animals. Should the shelter I work with, that took in 700 animals last year, not take in unwanted animals or pull them from death row because, after all, we will be feeding them Science Diet CRAP? Should we not have taken in the cats with the broken legs, the one that needed heart surgery, the one that was lit on fire, the ones who's teeth are bad and have to be pulled, the ones who were kept in chicken coops their whole lives, the ones who are so neglected they are afraid of human touch, the ones who were sent by their wonderful owners to live out their last days awaitng the gas chamber because they grew old or became to much work; because we would have to feed them Science Diet? I guess we should have told them we couldn't spend all that money on medical care for them because we needed to feed them more expensive food. I'm sure they would have understood. Perhaps we should have left Stamp crying in the bushes at the Post Office. I'm sure someone in that run down neighborhood would have come along and given him a much better home with better food. I'm sure there were people just lined up! My cats are taken care of. They go to the vet when they are sick. They are loved. That's probably more than most cats in this world have. I buy my clothes at thrift shops - yes, you can find nice things there. I just sold an 11 year old car with 200,000 miles and bought a care with 91,000 miles. I struggle to pay $425 per month for health insurance with a 2,500 deductible. I don't go out to eat a lot. I ususally eat yogurt for dinner. I struggle to fund a 401K every month so I will have money in my old age. . The last vacation I took (first in about 10 years) was driving a paid for rental car (someone had hit my car, so I got a free rental) to Florida to stay for free with a friend who lives by the beach. We all struggle to make choices. I believe in personal responsibility. If have to take care of myself. Yes, that comes first. Because if I cannot do that, then I surely cannot take care of another living thing. Beth [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm of the very controversial opinion that no matter how many cats you have, there's no excuse to feed BAD food. If you can't afford to feed decent food, then you can't afford to have that many cats. Get less cats, not less expensive food. There isn't any excuse for anyone to ever feed a food that doesn't have meat as the first ingredient... if you can't afford to feed a meat-based diet, then you need to give up your cats to someone that can afford to take proper care of them. That being said... Healthwise is the cheap food I feed to my feral cats here. I would not consider anything cheaper than that (it does have corn, but it's pretty far down the ingredient list). My ferals are OBESE creatures, mind you - something you generally don't see, LOL! They live the life of luxury though, and lay around and sleep all day and night (except for food time). Here's the link to the website for Healthwise, and Natura (the company that makes it) is very good at getting it to most areas: http://naturapet.com/display.php?d=product-detailpxsl=%2F%2Fproduct%5B@ id%3D%27544%27%5D Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources _ TV dinner still cooling? Check out Tonight's Picks http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=49979/*http://tv.yahoo.com/ on Yahoo! TV. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written
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At 02:28 PM 3/16/2007, you wrote: You are doing a wonderful thing for your cats. ignore the judgemental BS please,,,keep on keepin on Kelly This is ridiculous. I come to this list because I have a sick baby that I love very much. A cat that is not even mine, though I wouldn't give him up for the world. I'm looking for help and support. Now I'm being told I feed my cats CRAP because I feed Science Diet because that is what the shelter gives me. Now I'm being told I should give up my cats to someone who can feed them better. My cats are all from the streets. They are problem cats that nobody else wanted. Who would you suggest take them? I do rescue. There are thousands of people trying to give up their animals. Should the shelter I work with, that took in 700 animals last year, not take in unwanted animals or pull them from death row because, after all, we will be feeding them Science Diet CRAP? Should we not have taken in the cats with the broken legs, the one that needed heart surgery, the one that was lit on fire, the ones who's teeth are bad and have to be pulled, the ones who were kept in chicken coops their whole lives, the ones who are so neglected they are afraid of human touch, the ones who were sent by their wonderful owners to live out their last days awaitng the gas chamber because they grew old or became to much work; because we would have to feed them Science Diet? I guess we should have told them we couldn't spend all that money on medical care for them because we needed to feed them more expensive food. I'm sure they would have understood. Perhaps we should have left Stamp crying in the bushes at the Post Office. I'm sure someone in that run down neighborhood would have come along and given him a much better home with better food. I'm sure there were people just lined up! My cats are taken care of. They go to the vet when they are sick. They are loved. That's probably more than most cats in this world have. I buy my clothes at thrift shops - yes, you can find nice things there. I just sold an 11 year old car with 200,000 miles and bought a care with 91,000 miles. I struggle to pay $425 per month for health insurance with a 2,500 deductible. I don't go out to eat a lot. I ususally eat yogurt for dinner. I struggle to fund a 401K every month so I will have money in my old age. . The last vacation I took (first in about 10 years) was driving a paid for rental car (someone had hit my car, so I got a free rental) to Florida to stay for free with a friend who lives by the beach. We all struggle to make choices. I believe in personal responsibility. If have to take care of myself. Yes, that comes first. Because if I cannot do that, then I surely cannot take care of another living thing. Beth [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm of the very controversial opinion that no matter how many cats you have, there's no excuse to feed BAD food. If you can't afford to feed decent food, then you can't afford to have that many cats. Get less cats, not less expensive food. There isn't any excuse for anyone to ever feed a food that doesn't have meat as the first ingredient... if you can't afford to feed a meat-based diet, then you need to give up your cats to someone that can afford to take proper care of them. That being said... Healthwise is the cheap food I feed to my feral cats here. I would not consider anything cheaper than that (it does have corn, but it's pretty far down the ingredient list). My ferals are OBESE creatures, mind you - something you generally don't see, LOL! They live the life of luxury though, and lay around and sleep all day and night (except for food time). Here's the link to the website for Healthwise, and Natura (the company that makes it) is very good at getting it to most areas: http://naturapet.com/display.php?d=product-detail[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://naturapet.com/display.php?d=product-detail[EMAIL PROTECTED] Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.htmlhttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources TV dinner still cooling? http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=49979/*http://tv.yahoo.com/Check out Tonight's Picks on Yahoo! TV. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.413 / Virus Database: 268.18.11/722 - Release Date: 3/14/2007
any other catfood suggestions
Just wondered if anyone had any ideas about a good catfood for multiple cat households (14). Something that is good, yet not extremely expensive?
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I think that it would help if you defined extremely expensive. Felidae is about $30 for 20 pounds, plus tax. I have more than 14 cats and we go through 16-20 pounds per week depending on how much wet they eat. I added up how much it would cost me to feed Innova Evo once (going by the recommended amounts to feed them from the website) and it added up to over $600! To me, that is extremely expensive. I end up spending about $150 on cat food a month. To someone else that might be extremely expensive. I don't think it is bad to feed the amount of cats I am feeding. Kirkland is NOT good cat food, if my assumptions are right. It is made by Diamond so I am thinking the ingredients are the same as Diamond. Here is a link to Diamond's ingredients: http://www.diamondpet.com/products/diamond/cats/dry_food/maintenance_formula_for_cats/ On 3/15/07, Debbie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just wondered if anyone had any ideas about a good catfood for multiple cat households (14). Something that is good, yet not extremely expensive? -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
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Right now we probably spend around $100- $160.00 a month on catfood. I would not be oposed to spending even more if I thought it would help cut down on vet bills later. One of our cat is on S/O Diet for urinary track. It runs $30.+ a bag. -Original Message- From: Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent: Mar 15, 2007 7:29 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: any other catfood suggestions I think that it would help if you defined "extremely expensive." Felidae is about $30 for 20 pounds, plus tax. I have more than 14 cats and we go through 16-20 pounds per week depending on how much wet they eat. I added up how much it would cost me to feed Innova Evo once (going by the recommended amounts to feed them from the website) and it added up to over $600! To me, that is "extremely expensive". I end up spending about $150 on cat food a month. To someone else that might be "extremely expensive". I don't think it is bad to feed the amount of cats I am feeding. Kirkland is NOT good cat food, if my assumptions are right. It is made by Diamond so I am thinking the ingredients are the same as Diamond. Here is a link to Diamond's ingredients: http://www.diamondpet.com/products/diamond/cats/dry_food/maintenance_formula_for_cats/ On 3/15/07, Debbie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just wondered if anyone had any ideas about a good catfood for multiple cat households (14). Something that is good, yet not extremely expensive?-- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.orgVist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
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Don't ask me My furbabies ALWAYS come first. (Spend more on their groceries than for myself..) I feed them ALL Innova Evo. Even the stray/feral colony What can I say My furbabies definitely deserve the best, even if it's pricey. And they absolutely love it! Gives me great joy (And I really need that now) At the shelter, we used Precise [I think]. A very good food, and not too expensive either.(With over 300 cats to feed, money was an option). And, YES, Science Diet s*cks And, I think I remember reading about not so good things about the Chicken Soup thing. Just can't remember where the details.. Don't even get me going on Diamond! And, I have MANY [all] cats on Evo.. We survive... If I could remember. I'm sure I'd have more options.SIGH.. Best of luck finding a great food. Hugs, Patti her gang ** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.
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I'm going to go get my last cat food bill (I go twice a month) Ok, according to my math, I use 4-5 cases of wet California Natural or Innova a month at $13.93 each. I use 4 bags of healthwise for the ferals at $17.09 each, and I use one bag of either California Natural or Innova Senior dry a month (for the housecats between wet meals) at $21.00 - $35.00 a bag (senior is more expensive). That's a total of about $130 or so a month (but I do bad math, so I could be off a bit), and it feeds 7 housecats and about 5 ferals. Mind you, I get a 10% discount from my vet's office for my food since I am a rescue, so I get these foods a bit cheaper than most people get them retail. Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources
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I have to disagree with some of the below. It is nice to want to feed your cats the very best, however circumstances beyond some peoples control make that impossible. Often times cats find people, people do not go out looking to adopt cats. There is a HUGE overpopulation of cats and in my opinion if someone is even the least bit kind enough to try to take care of them than they should not feel bad by not being able to supply top of the line food. My grandmother is 86 yrs. old, lives on only $800.00 a month, but she manages to feed more than 2 dozen ferals. Yes, they get Wal Mart brand catfood, but it’s either that or death from starvation. We have 14 cats, 2 dogs all that would have been dead by now if we would not have taken them in. We love them, take care of them, and try to do the best we can – just like you would for children, but not everyone is blessed with unlimited funds and I think everyone should keep that in mind. People who do try (and there are quite a few people who are very poor and yet share a tremendous amount with their pets) should not be discouraged. Just today on the radio they reported about a woman who drowned over 600+ kittens, cats, puppies……..her reasoning was “she was trying to spare them suffering.” I did not hear all the details but it very well could have been someone who was overwhelmed by the massive amount of unwanted and abandoned pets. Someone who was trying but emotionally and financially couldn’t cope. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 4:33 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: any other catfood suggestions I'm of the very controversial opinion that no matter how many cats you have, there's no excuse to feed BAD food. If you can't afford to feed decent food, then you can't afford to have that many cats. Get less cats, not less expensive food. There isn't any excuse for anyone to ever feed a food that doesn't have meat as the first ingredient... if you can't afford to feed a meat-based diet, then you need to give up your cats to someone that can afford to take proper care of them. That being said... Healthwise is the cheap food I feed to my feral cats here. I would not consider anything cheaper than that (it does have corn, but it's pretty far down the ingredient list). My ferals are OBESE creatures, mind you - something you generally don't see, LOL! They live the life of luxury though, and lay around and sleep all day and night (except for food time). Here's the link to the website for Healthwise, and Natura (the company that makes it) is very good at getting it to most areas: HYPERLINK http://naturapet.com/display.php?d=product-detail[EMAIL PROTECTED] 3D%27544%27%5Dhttp://naturapet.com/display.php?d=product-detailpxsl=%2F%2F [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phaewryn HYPERLINK http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.htmlhttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.11/723 - Release Date: 3/15/2007 11:27 AM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.11/723 - Release Date: 3/15/2007 11:27 AM
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http://www.wbns10tv.com/?sec=homestory=sites/10tv/content/pool/200703/1765432341.html just HAPPENED to have the link to the story of that woman in my clipboard when i read this i've stayed out of this one, because most people already know how i feel, and about my financial circumstances.. i agree with debbie, by and large. we all know of 20-year-old cats who have never eaten anything but grocery-store food who are healthy and fiesty their entire lives, after all. yes, it would be IDEAL if we could all afford to feed our furchildren the very finest food there is but first we'd all have to agree on what that was, an unlikely enough thing, and then we'd have to limit ourselves in the number that we helped i feed science diet to most of my cats. i feed science diet because i can get it at shelter prices; essentially, i can feed three to four times the number of special-needs and elderly kitties on it than i could on a different food. quantity vs quality? i don't think so, really, because being disabled, i'm home almost 24/7, so they get time and attention that they NEVER would--if they were even alive--anywhere else. would i feed them something else if i could easily? of course when all the rescue networking starts paying, that'll be one of the first things i'll do. as it is, if someone needs a special diet, they get it--i made a homemade crf diet for one of my kids now. at this point in my life i'm lucky in that i CAN get not-the-worst-food-in-the-world at a price i can afford (i make LESS a month than debbie's grandmother does, significantly), that i can get all my meds at wholesale, and that my vets will let me make payment arrangements. i'm not gonna feel guilt-tripped because i know i'm doing the best that i can, and that my cats are happy, spoiled little things. it DOES bother me, tho, knowing that other people will feel attacked or as if they're not good parents just because they can't afford designer everything for their furkids the ever-unbiased, MC On 3/15/07, Debbie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have to disagree with some of the below. It is nice to want to feed your cats the very best, however circumstances beyond some peoples control make that impossible. Often times cats find people, people do not go out looking to adopt cats. There is a HUGE overpopulation of cats and in my opinion if someone is even the least bit kind enough to try to take care of them than they should not feel bad by not being able to supply top of the line food. My grandmother is 86 yrs. old, lives on only $800.00 a month, but she manages to feed more than 2 dozen ferals. Yes, they get Wal Mart brand catfood, but it's either that or death from starvation. We have 14 cats, 2 dogs all that would have been dead by now if we would not have taken them in. We love them, take care of them, and try to do the best we can – just like you would for children, but not everyone is blessed with unlimited funds and I think everyone should keep that in mind. People who do try (and there are quite a few people who are very poor and yet share a tremendous amount with their pets) should not be discouraged. Just today on the radio they reported about a woman who drowned over 600+ kittens, cats, puppies……..her reasoning was she was trying to spare them suffering. I did not hear all the details but it very well could have been someone who was overwhelmed by the massive amount of unwanted and abandoned pets. Someone who was trying but emotionally and financially couldn't cope. -Original Message- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Thursday, March 15, 2007 4:33 PM *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Subject:* Re: any other catfood suggestions I'm of the very controversial opinion that no matter how many cats you have, there's no excuse to feed BAD food. If you can't afford to feed decent food, then you can't afford to have that many cats. Get less cats, not less expensive food. There isn't any excuse for anyone to ever feed a food that doesn't have meat as the first ingredient... if you can't afford to feed a meat-based diet, then you need to give up your cats to someone that can afford to take proper care of them. That being said... Healthwise is the cheap food I feed to my feral cats here. I would not consider anything cheaper than that (it does have corn, but it's pretty far down the ingredient list). My ferals are OBESE creatures, mind you - something you generally don't see, LOL! They live the life of luxury though, and lay around and sleep all day and night (except for food time). Here's the link to the website for Healthwise, and Natura (the company that makes it) is very good at getting it to most areas: http://naturapet.com/display.php?d=product-detail[EMAIL PROTECTED] Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition
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I bring home $180-$210 a week. My partner works on and off, sometimes he brings home $300 a week, sometimes less than $80 (usually around $100-$150). My rent is $650 a month. I will not feed my cats crap just because I am poor. My son gets free breakfast and lunch at school. Sometimes we eat beans or potatoes for dinner when money is tight... our food stamps only get us half-way through the month. Our car is a 94 and has 196,000 miles, and just had $498 worth of work done. My son is growing, he needs new shoes and jeans every 6 months. But the cats get GOOD food. If I can afford it, anyone can. We all choose our priorities. Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources
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All depends on where you live. Not everyone gets food stamps, nor does everyone even own a car, some people have tons of medical expenses……….you do what you can with what you have. For the extra money and expensive food you can’t buy you give them extra love. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 9:17 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: any other catfood suggestions I bring home $180-$210 a week. My partner works on and off, sometimes he brings home $300 a week, sometimes less than $80 (usually around $100-$150). My rent is $650 a month. I will not feed my cats crap just because I am poor. My son gets free breakfast and lunch at school. Sometimes we eat beans or potatoes for dinner when money is tight... our food stamps only get us half-way through the month. Our car is a 94 and has 196,000 miles, and just had $498 worth of work done. My son is growing, he needs new shoes and jeans every 6 months. But the cats get GOOD food. If I can afford it, anyone can. We all choose our priorities. Phaewryn HYPERLINK http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.htmlhttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.11/723 - Release Date: 3/15/2007 11:27 AM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.11/723 - Release Date: 3/15/2007 11:27 AM
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At 01:32 PM 3/15/2007, you wrote: Please do not equate the dollars spent with the quality, there is no corn in KIRKLAND, Ingerdients are Chicken, chicken meal. whole grain brown rice .chicken fat .. As I said, I have tried others but this has been the best for them, Regarding money spent, i will not go there as my expenses average 1500 per month. My dogs are on Hypo allergenic for their skin problems at 35 a bag, and that lasts o week, Several of my cats are on special diets and of course the wet food also, The remark about buying cheap food and those people should hat have their cats, Come on now...Many very wealthy people buy the most expensive and then leave their cats home alone or out doors,,,I think a loving home and a safe place counts for a lot more, money must be saved for vet bills and good cat enclosures ,,,then there are those that say RAW only,,,and those that say dry for their teeth and those that say mice( my cats first choice) If you have a healthy happy and loved cat you are doing a good job and if you are feeding several colonies ,,,Bless you and I am sure they appreciate the purina or meow mix,,,beats the hell out of scrounging in dumpsters for left over french fries, Now what I object to are people I see who have children they can't afford that society takes care of, over and over and over again, Also not everyone is educated in feline nutrition, Be kind to people doing their best. Kelly  I'm of the very controversial opinion that no matter how many cats you have, there's no excuse to feed BAD food. If you can't afford to feed decent food, then you can't afford to have that many cats. Get less cats, not less expensive food. There isn't any excuse for anyone to ever feed a food that doesn't have meat as the first ingredient... if you can't afford to feed a meat-based diet, then you need to give up your cats to someone that can afford to take proper care of them. That being said... Healthwise is the cheap food I feed to my feral cats here. I would not consider anything cheaper than that (it does have corn, but it's pretty far down the ingredient list). My ferals are OBESE creatures, mind you - something you generally don't see, LOL! They live the life of luxury though, and lay around and sleep all day and night (except for food time). Here's the link to the website for Healthwise, and Natura (the company that makes it) is very good at getting it to most areas: http://naturapet.com/display.php?d=product-detail[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://naturapet.com/display.php?d=product-detail[EMAIL PROTECTED] Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.htmlhttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.413 / Virus Database: 268.18.11/722 - Release Date: 3/14/2007
Re: any other catfood suggestions
And then you have those cats that simply WILL NOT eat the good stuff, I can beg until I'm blue in the face, I have a few who will eat anything BUT I have a couple who will stop eating if I only put down the good stuff, they just won't have it. I make the change gradually, teaspoon at a time in their regular food, I've even had them eat it for a while after taking months to get them switched over and then suddenly they just refuse to eat it any more. I've gotten my group off Fancy Feast 3 times in the last several years but they ALWAYS eventually quit eating the good stuff and after a few days of them not eating they get their Fancy Feast back. I'm not happy about but I know all too well the dangers of not eating and I ain't going there!!! I have to disagree with some of the below. It is nice to want to feed your cats the very best, however circumstances beyond some peoples control make that impossible. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
