Re: [Finale] OT: Shareware Multitrack Audio App for Mac?

[Darcy James Argue]

Actually, it occurs to me that the other possibility (even if Native 
Instruments can't work out how to get their software to run acceptably 
on PPC machines) would be if _Finale_ included an option to freeze 
tracks (i.e., bounce to audio).


I know everyone always complains about sequencer features creeping into 
Finale, but for my part, I have no interest in learning a separate 
sequencer and importing MIDI, etc -- what I need is a way to make 
reasonable-sounding demos directly from Finale.  So anything Coda can 
to do make that process easier is welcome, at least by me.


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Re: [Finale] OT: Shareware Multitrack Audio App for Mac?

[Darcy James Argue]

Thanks, Don.  Audacity was *exactly* what I was looking for.

On a related note, though, I was surprised how much tempo drift there 
was between the two audio tracks I recorded.  I know GPO sometimes 
drops frames when it gets overloaded (resulting in an accel. effect), 
so I tried splitting the orchestra in four to avoid taxing my poor Mac 
mini, but that was even worse.  I had imagined that if I just got the 
*beginning* of both files aligned, they would stay aligned for the 
entire piece, but that was absolutely not the case.  In fact, I had to 
hand-align practically every entrance.  (It's almost like Human 
Playback is a little *too* human when it comes to counting multimeasure 
rests.)


Long story short, it was an incredible PITA to get everything aligned, 
and required hours of trial-and-error hand-tweaking.  So I'm *really* 
hoping NI get their act together on the Mac side, because this is just 
ridiculous.  (Unfortunately, the move to MacIntel doesn't exactly give 
them a lot of incentive to optimize their PPC code.  Sigh.)


- Darcy
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On 24 Jun 2005, at 12:06 AM, Don Hart wrote:


Darcy,

If I have an accurate understanding of what you need and what this 
program
will do, Audacity is what you're looking for.  I haven't yet needed to 
do
what you're doing, but in my time with the program it was very 
intuitive.

My experience observing guys use ProTools seemed to help me get around
Audacity.  Anyway, you can check it out:

http://audacity.sourceforge.net/

I was really impressed; I hope it helps.

Don Hart


on 6/23/05 10:17 PM, Darcy James Argue at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Okay, it's that time...

I need to make an audio demo of an orchestration I've written.  As
those of you who have GPO for Mac know only too well, my 1.42 GHz Mac
mini doesn't have nearly enough horsepower to drive GPO through a 
large
orchestral score ( / 4331 / Timp+Perc / Harp / Solo Vln / 
Strings).


I've done all my usual GPO tricks (*drastically* reduce polyphony on
percussion and harp, bypass reverb, set sample rate to 22.05 KHz), but
I can still only really get half the orchestra to play back reliably 
at

any given time.  So that's exactly what I did -- soloed half the
orchestra and recorded that to audio file; then soloed the other half
and did the same thing.

Now I need to combine the two audio files in a basic multitrack audio
editor.  But I don't currently own a basic multitrack audio editor.  
So
-- suggestions?  Cheap and simple are best -- my needs are very 
modest,

I just need to line up these two files and join them.

- Darcy
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Re: [Finale] Need INVISIBLE chord anchors

[Lynn Gold]

I've done this (the layer 2 et al trick), and it works.

--Lynn

On Jun 23, 2005, at 12:21 PM, Chuck Israels wrote:


Dear Bill,

This is something jazz writers need to do all the time, and there are 
a couple of ways of using layers and staff styles to do this.  The way 
I do it most often is to enter the notes into layer 2 (while making 
sure that the document options do not freeze the stems, ties and rests 
of that layer when there are no "notes in other layers"  - see 
document options - layers).  Then I enter quarter note rests (usually, 
that's enough rhythmic detail for chord anchors) into layer 1 and then 
choose "blank notation - Layer 1 from the staff styles, making sure 
that that staff style is defined to show items attached to notes.  
When you apply this staff style to the staves which already have your 
music, plus the now ugly overlay of quarter rests in layer 1, the 
quarter rests will disappear, and the stems, ties & rests, of the 
notes in layer 2, even if they have been frozen into places you didn't 
want while the rests were showing, will now revert to the normal 
default, and you can now type in the chords you need in any quarter 
note "place" in layer 1.  This should work fine, and becomes pretty 
easy after doing it only a couple of times.  There are more 
sophisticated ways of using the layers in such a way that one can copy 
the chords and their anchors to new places that contain music in layer 
1.  In this case, you need to create a blank staff style in another 
layer (usually layer 4) that has a few more requirements, but unless 
you have to transfer chords from place to place, over different music 
entries, this is probably more than you'll need.  Try the easier 
method first.


Hope this helps.

Chuck


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When generating a lead sheet, it is often desirable to have chords 
that sequence under a fixed melody note. For example, you might have 
an 8 beat whole note where a sequence of chords are changing under 
it. This is not in keeping with the way finale anchors chords, since 
it the chord anchor must be on a tied note, note or rest. I have not 
seen any way to anchor a chord to a note that's not in the staff.

 
One can generate an artificial chord anchor by breaking a long note 
into tied notes, but that makes it awkward to read the music, and 
it's not good notation practice.

 
I tried hanging chords onto alternate layers, but that means sticking 
notes into the score that don't belong, and I have not figured out 
how to suppress the printing out of the alternate layers. That really 
confuses things.

 
Has anyone figured out a way around this?
 
Yours; Bill S.
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Re: [Finale] OT: Shareware Multitrack Audio App for Mac?

[Don Hart]

Darcy,

If I have an accurate understanding of what you need and what this program
will do, Audacity is what you're looking for.  I haven't yet needed to do
what you're doing, but in my time with the program it was very intuitive.
My experience observing guys use ProTools seemed to help me get around
Audacity.  Anyway, you can check it out:

http://audacity.sourceforge.net/

I was really impressed; I hope it helps.

Don Hart


on 6/23/05 10:17 PM, Darcy James Argue at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Okay, it's that time...
> 
> I need to make an audio demo of an orchestration I've written.  As
> those of you who have GPO for Mac know only too well, my 1.42 GHz Mac
> mini doesn't have nearly enough horsepower to drive GPO through a large
> orchestral score ( / 4331 / Timp+Perc / Harp / Solo Vln / Strings).
> 
> I've done all my usual GPO tricks (*drastically* reduce polyphony on
> percussion and harp, bypass reverb, set sample rate to 22.05 KHz), but
> I can still only really get half the orchestra to play back reliably at
> any given time.  So that's exactly what I did -- soloed half the
> orchestra and recorded that to audio file; then soloed the other half
> and did the same thing.
> 
> Now I need to combine the two audio files in a basic multitrack audio
> editor.  But I don't currently own a basic multitrack audio editor.  So
> -- suggestions?  Cheap and simple are best -- my needs are very modest,
> I just need to line up these two files and join them.
> 
> - Darcy
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Re: [Finale] OT: Shareware Multitrack Audio App for Mac?

[Darcy James Argue]

On 23 Jun 2005, at 11:30 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



 In a message dated 6/23/05 10:18:20 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:




 Now I need to combine the two audio files in a basic multitrack audio
 editor.  But I don't currently own a basic multitrack audio editor.  
So
 -- suggestions?  Cheap and simple are best -- my needs are very 
modest,

 I just need to line up these two files and join them.



 Not sure, but couldn't you do this with Garageband?


Perhaps, but I'm not at all sure how that would work.

I tried just dragging one of the AIFFs into the Garage Band window.  
That works well enough, but it plays back twice as fast as it should 
(probably because it's 22.05 KHz audio).


I think I need a proper multitrack audio editor for this.

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Re: [Finale] OT: Shareware Multitrack Audio App for Mac?

[JohnBlane]

In a message dated 6/23/05 10:18:20 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:



Now I need to combine the two audio files in a basic multitrack audio
editor.  But I don't currently own a basic multitrack audio editor.  So
-- suggestions?  Cheap and simple are best -- my needs are very modest,
I just need to line up these two files and join them.


Not sure, but couldn't you do this with Garageband?
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Re: [Finale] Finale 2006

[Aaron Sherber]

At 09:56 AM 06/23/2005, Robert Patterson wrote:
> I am extremely concerned that we may have seen the virtual end of
>notation-related enhancements for a long while. 

Well put, Robert. This is my concern as well -- and under 'enhancements' I 
would include bug fixes as well as new features.


One of my criteria for buying new Finale upgrades has been whether the new 
or enhanced functionality will justify the upgrade price over the course of 
the year, even if just a little bit at a time. For example, the 'optimize 
in groups' feature from a couple of years ago saved me several hours of 
work manually tweaking piano parts and so was worth the upgrade in itself. 
This means that it really doesn't take a big leap in functionality to get 
me to buy the upgrade. It is noticeable in this regard that I skipped 2005 
(new tuplets interested me but apparently never worked quite as advertised) 
and will likely skip 2006.


Aaron.

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[Finale] OT: Shareware Multitrack Audio App for Mac?

[Darcy James Argue]

Okay, it's that time...

I need to make an audio demo of an orchestration I've written.  As 
those of you who have GPO for Mac know only too well, my 1.42 GHz Mac 
mini doesn't have nearly enough horsepower to drive GPO through a large 
orchestral score ( / 4331 / Timp+Perc / Harp / Solo Vln / Strings).


I've done all my usual GPO tricks (*drastically* reduce polyphony on 
percussion and harp, bypass reverb, set sample rate to 22.05 KHz), but 
I can still only really get half the orchestra to play back reliably at 
any given time.  So that's exactly what I did -- soloed half the 
orchestra and recorded that to audio file; then soloed the other half 
and did the same thing.


Now I need to combine the two audio files in a basic multitrack audio 
editor.  But I don't currently own a basic multitrack audio editor.  So 
-- suggestions?  Cheap and simple are best -- my needs are very modest, 
I just need to line up these two files and join them.


- Darcy
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Re: [Finale] Finale 2006

[Tyler Turner]

> 
> By the way here is part of an exchange I've had with
> Brian fo MM's  
> Macsupport. It makes me afraid that the eps font
> warning might still  
> be there if the fonts are not embedded in the eps
> (which I need).


>From the forum:

SF said...
Well I hope that means that we can still have the
option of embedding fonts or not. All I really want is
that dialog box to stop popping up. Is that what Bill
means or is MM's fix to the problem to eliminate the
option and ONLY allow to embed? I guess we will have
to wait and see. 

Since the EPS issue is such a hot one for some of us
publishers could Bill or MM respond to whether we will
still have the option to embedd or not (without a
dialog as in past versions). With some 10,000 Finale
files I have to manage and all of the EPS files
associated with them, storage becomes a big issue if
Finale only allows embedding fonts.

Thanks,
Steve
Steve,

Finale 2006 will continue to support the option of not
embedding the fonts. Finale 2006 will no longer pop a
warning dialog box for Times New Roman but this
improvement requires Tiger or 10.4.
 


-Carla
 

SF
Registered Member


Date Joined Dec 2001
Total Posts : 22
  Posted Today 3:58 PM (GMT -6) 
Thank you so much for the reply Carla. This is good
news!

Not to be too nit-picky but let me ask...

Although I do use Times New Roman (although not as
much as other fonts) is TNR the only font that the
dialog box will not pop-up on? And what is the
difference between Tiger and 10.4? Did you mean
Panther or 10.4?

Thanks,
Steve



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Versions of Finale still using ~70 hrs/week:
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  Posted Today 4:03 PM (GMT -6) 
TNR was the only font that was erroneously popping the
dialog box. So, if you have 10.4, you will not see the
font warning dialog box if you check do not include
fonts.

Tiger and 10.4 are different names for the same newest
version of Mac OS. The font warning box will still
appear in Panther, aka 10.3 and Jaguar, aka 10.2. 
 







 
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Re: [Finale] Finale 2006 new features

[Randolph Peters]

At 7:31 PM +0200 6/23/05, Jari Williamsson wrote:

Randolph Peters wrote:
Does anyone on the list know what this blurb from the Finale web 
site really means?

Yes, but I'm not allowed to tell you.
[snip]

Will we get the full 128 MIDI channels?

As I said, not allowed to tell you.


I can see your dilemma. But you must see the absurd humour in the 
fact that MakeMusic is already advertising a feature, but won't let 
anyone explain what it means.


Catch 2006?

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[Finale] Finale 2006

[Eric Dussault]

Does anybody have a clue on what "EMBEDDED GRAPHICS: efforlessly  
transport files with graphics" means? I see no explanation anywhere.


By the way here is part of an exchange I've had with Brian fo MM's  
Macsupport. It makes me afraid that the eps font warning might still  
be there if the fonts are not embedded in the eps (which I need).


Question:
In addition of supporting truetype and opentype in the eps created,
will I get the annoying font warning dialog box that is still present
in the 2005b release?

Answer:
Hello,
This will go away as the truetype font is now embedded, and therefore  
there is no such thing as Finale not being able to embed any kind of  
font unless it is not truetype, opentype, or postscript.

Let me know if I can be of any further assistance!
Brian
Customer Support Representative
MakeMusic!, Inc.

Re-question:
But the question is :  If I do not embed fonts (smaller file size),
will it work as you described?

Re-answer:
If you chose not to include the fonts, then it would still warn you  
that the fonts will need to be kept with the document.

Let me know if I can be of any further assistance!
Brian
Customer Support Representative
MakeMusic!, Inc.

After two years (2k4 until now), they have not been able to implement  
a small tiny checkbox to let the font warning not show again! I got  
the feeling in the whole correspondance with Brian that he wasn't  
sure of that, so I really hope it will make its way through the final  
version.











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Re: [Finale] 2006

[Ken Durling]

A MIDI file is kind of like  a score, really, which needs performers to 
make it audible - put the same string quartet parts in front of a middle 
school group and the Emerson Quartet and you're going to have two very 
different performances!


Ken




> An overall MIDI question I've had for years: If I have a snazzy set of
> sounds on my computer, create a MIDI file with them, and post it to the
> internet, will someone listening to that file over the internet hear
> the same sounds, or just whatever MIDI sounds their own computer has?

The latter.


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Re: [Finale] 2006

[Richard Yates]

> An overall MIDI question I've had for years: If I have a snazzy set of 
> sounds on my computer, create a MIDI file with them, and post it to the 
> internet, will someone listening to that file over the internet hear 
> the same sounds, or just whatever MIDI sounds their own computer has?

The latter.


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[Finale] RE: Finale 2006 - MakeMusic's response

[Richard Yates]

>We do not have the list of fixed issues yet, as the program is not yet
finished. That list will not be available until the program is shipping.<

Wouldn't you think that fixes would come before features in a development
cycle?

Richard Yates




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Re: [Finale] Re: Finale 2006

[Robert Patterson]

Matthew Hindson Fastmail Account wrote:



Maybe, but on the other hand, the current situation in which we have 
little control over the levels of the internal sounds is just plain 
unacceptable. 


My lament is that they have expanded Finale's scope: not that they have 
improved playback. I would have been much happier if they had partnered 
with an existing sequencing program to integrate the two. Or at least 
created a separate division within MM to develop a sequencer of their 
own (on its own schedule) and grown them together much as they are doing 
with Finale and SmartMusic.


--
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[Finale] Re: Finale 2006

[Matthew Hindson Fastmail Account]

Robert Patterson wrote:


This issue of long-standing bugs being fixed points up a feature
listed on the website that greets me with dismay. That is the "Studio
View & Powerful Mixer" feature. Some on this list are already
salivating at the thought, but for all its possible value, I believe
it is a rueful step.



Maybe, but on the other hand, the current situation in which we have 
little control over the levels of the internal sounds is just plain 
unacceptable.  If a mixer means that we can 'zoom in' on a specific line 
to check it, or even make each part evenly matched (again for checking 
purposes), then surely that must be an improvement over having to create 
and edit a variety of non-printing volume expressions etc.


I also hope that FinMac 2006 solves a number of the existing bugs and 
extra features to improve the existing user experience, for example:


- being able to add standard Mac keyboard shortcuts and have them 
actually work,

- having a "Go To Bar" keyboard shortcut,
- larger/resizable Expression and Articulation dialog boxes,
- a return to the faster implementation of the Selection Tool and 
keyboard nudging,

- more fields in the File Info section,
- non-contiguous Mass Edit selection,
- a "Repeat Last Action" command,
- text styles,
- a wider range of possible starting points for Smart Shapes (e.g. 
boxes, hairpins),
- being able to set your own default files and access them from the 
Setup Wizard rather than being limited to the current two,
- the ability to enter articulations and slurs from within the Speedy 
Entry tool,

- better rehearsal figures control a la Forza,
- the ability to optimize staves directly from the staff tool, and 
optimize them away individually rather than having to change to the page 
layout tool and back again,


 etc. etc. etc., but after seeing the fifth listed new feature as 
"Textured Manuscript Paper", my heart sank...


Matthew
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Re: [Finale] 2006 a closer look

[Don Hart]

Robert,

One and the same as far as I can tell.  From the Finale manual:

Custom lines
To create a custom line
€ Click the Smart Shape Tool W. The Smart Shape Palette appears.
€ Option-click the Custom Line Tool ¿. The Smart Line Style Selection dialog
box appears.

Don Hart


on 6/23/05 4:04 PM, Robert Patterson at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> So what is custom line? (I thought it too meant custom smart shape.)
> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Darcy James Argue [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 08:57 PM
>> To: finale@shsu.edu, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Subject: Re: [Finale] 2006 a closer look
>> 
>> No.  Smart line = custom smart shape.
>> 
>> - Darcy
>> -
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Brooklyn, NY
>> 
>> 
>> On 23 Jun 2005, at 4:47 PM, Robert Patterson wrote:
>> 
>>> Isn't "smart line" and "custom line" the same thing?
>>> 
>>> FWIW: My Settings Scrapbook plugin has been able to transfer custom
>>> line libraries for a couple of years at least, in versions of Finale
>>> all the way back to Fin2000.
>>> 
 -Original Message-
 From: Don Hart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 08:06 PM
 To: finale@shsu.edu
 Subject: Re: [Finale] 2006 a closer look
 
 on 6/23/05 1:48 PM, Chuck Israels at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
> 
> I just looked a little more carefully at the 2006 enhancements and
> found one thing that will be useful to me: Smart Line libraries.
> 
> For example, Bill Duncan has created some particularly useful Smart
> Shape devices that include more elements than Finale has in its
> libraries, like  an 8va sign with the usual dashed line following it
> but with the addition of a clearly noticeable enclosed  "loco"
> included at the end of the stretchable smart line. ..
 
 Chuck,
 
 I think the Smart Line libraries will be helpful too, especially if I
 ever
 get more organized along the lines of templates and a default file.
 But
 what I wanted to point out to you is that for the above example, with
 the
 possible exception of the enclosure around "loco", the custom line
 tool
 would work quite well and is very flexible.
 
 After looking at the smart line dialog box it appears enclosures
 aren't
 readily available, so maybe that was the point of touting Bill's
 product.  I
 just wanted to make sure that you and others here were aware of the
 custom
 line tool and what it could do with the above example.
 
 Don Hart
 
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Re: [Finale] 2006 a closer look

[Darcy James Argue]

I think some people were confusing "custom (smart) line" with lines 
created as shape expressions?  (Or perhaps it was just me.)


Anyway, I know Settings Scrapbook can already transfer custom smart 
shape definitions between documents, but it will still be nice to have 
that functionality built directly into to Fin2k6, especially since 
recent vintages of Finale allow an (effectively) unlimited number of 
custom smart lines.


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On 23 Jun 2005, at 5:04 PM, Robert Patterson wrote:


So what is custom line? (I thought it too meant custom smart shape.)


-Original Message-
From: Darcy James Argue [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 08:57 PM
To: finale@shsu.edu, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Finale] 2006 a closer look

No.  Smart line = custom smart shape.

- Darcy
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On 23 Jun 2005, at 4:47 PM, Robert Patterson wrote:


Isn't "smart line" and "custom line" the same thing?

FWIW: My Settings Scrapbook plugin has been able to transfer custom
line libraries for a couple of years at least, in versions of Finale
all the way back to Fin2000.


-Original Message-
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Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 08:06 PM
To: finale@shsu.edu
Subject: Re: [Finale] 2006 a closer look

on 6/23/05 1:48 PM, Chuck Israels at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



I just looked a little more carefully at the 2006 enhancements and
found one thing that will be useful to me: Smart Line libraries.

For example, Bill Duncan has created some particularly useful Smart
Shape devices that include more elements than Finale has in its
libraries, like  an 8va sign with the usual dashed line following 
it

but with the addition of a clearly noticeable enclosed  "loco"
included at the end of the stretchable smart line. ..


Chuck,

I think the Smart Line libraries will be helpful too, especially if 
I

ever
get more organized along the lines of templates and a default file.
But
what I wanted to point out to you is that for the above example, 
with

the
possible exception of the enclosure around "loco", the custom line
tool
would work quite well and is very flexible.

After looking at the smart line dialog box it appears enclosures
aren't
readily available, so maybe that was the point of touting Bill's
product.  I
just wanted to make sure that you and others here were aware of the
custom
line tool and what it could do with the above example.

Don Hart

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Re: [Finale] 2006 a closer look

[Robert Patterson]

So what is custom line? (I thought it too meant custom smart shape.)

> -Original Message-
> From: Darcy James Argue [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 08:57 PM
> To: finale@shsu.edu, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [Finale] 2006 a closer look
> 
> No.  Smart line = custom smart shape.
> 
> - Darcy
> -
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Brooklyn, NY
> 
> 
> On 23 Jun 2005, at 4:47 PM, Robert Patterson wrote:
> 
> > Isn't "smart line" and "custom line" the same thing?
> >
> > FWIW: My Settings Scrapbook plugin has been able to transfer custom 
> > line libraries for a couple of years at least, in versions of Finale 
> > all the way back to Fin2000.
> >
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Don Hart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 08:06 PM
> >> To: finale@shsu.edu
> >> Subject: Re: [Finale] 2006 a closer look
> >>
> >> on 6/23/05 1:48 PM, Chuck Israels at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> I just looked a little more carefully at the 2006 enhancements and
> >>> found one thing that will be useful to me: Smart Line libraries.
> >>>
> >>> For example, Bill Duncan has created some particularly useful Smart
> >>> Shape devices that include more elements than Finale has in its
> >>> libraries, like  an 8va sign with the usual dashed line following it
> >>> but with the addition of a clearly noticeable enclosed  "loco"
> >>> included at the end of the stretchable smart line. ..
> >>
> >> Chuck,
> >>
> >> I think the Smart Line libraries will be helpful too, especially if I 
> >> ever
> >> get more organized along the lines of templates and a default file.  
> >> But
> >> what I wanted to point out to you is that for the above example, with 
> >> the
> >> possible exception of the enclosure around "loco", the custom line 
> >> tool
> >> would work quite well and is very flexible.
> >>
> >> After looking at the smart line dialog box it appears enclosures 
> >> aren't
> >> readily available, so maybe that was the point of touting Bill's 
> >> product.  I
> >> just wanted to make sure that you and others here were aware of the 
> >> custom
> >> line tool and what it could do with the above example.
> >>
> >> Don Hart
> >>
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Re: [Finale] 2006 a closer look

[Darcy James Argue]

No.  Smart line = custom smart shape.

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On 23 Jun 2005, at 4:47 PM, Robert Patterson wrote:


Isn't "smart line" and "custom line" the same thing?

FWIW: My Settings Scrapbook plugin has been able to transfer custom 
line libraries for a couple of years at least, in versions of Finale 
all the way back to Fin2000.



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Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 08:06 PM
To: finale@shsu.edu
Subject: Re: [Finale] 2006 a closer look

on 6/23/05 1:48 PM, Chuck Israels at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



I just looked a little more carefully at the 2006 enhancements and
found one thing that will be useful to me: Smart Line libraries.

For example, Bill Duncan has created some particularly useful Smart
Shape devices that include more elements than Finale has in its
libraries, like  an 8va sign with the usual dashed line following it
but with the addition of a clearly noticeable enclosed  "loco"
included at the end of the stretchable smart line. ..


Chuck,

I think the Smart Line libraries will be helpful too, especially if I 
ever
get more organized along the lines of templates and a default file.  
But
what I wanted to point out to you is that for the above example, with 
the
possible exception of the enclosure around "loco", the custom line 
tool

would work quite well and is very flexible.

After looking at the smart line dialog box it appears enclosures 
aren't
readily available, so maybe that was the point of touting Bill's 
product.  I
just wanted to make sure that you and others here were aware of the 
custom

line tool and what it could do with the above example.

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Re: [Finale] 2006 a closer look

[Robert Patterson]

Isn't "smart line" and "custom line" the same thing?

FWIW: My Settings Scrapbook plugin has been able to transfer custom line 
libraries for a couple of years at least, in versions of Finale all the way 
back to Fin2000.

> -Original Message-
> From: Don Hart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 08:06 PM
> To: finale@shsu.edu
> Subject: Re: [Finale] 2006 a closer look
> 
> on 6/23/05 1:48 PM, Chuck Israels at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > 
> > I just looked a little more carefully at the 2006 enhancements and
> > found one thing that will be useful to me: Smart Line libraries.
> > 
> > For example, Bill Duncan has created some particularly useful Smart
> > Shape devices that include more elements than Finale has in its
> > libraries, like  an 8va sign with the usual dashed line following it
> > but with the addition of a clearly noticeable enclosed  "loco"
> > included at the end of the stretchable smart line. ..
> 
> Chuck,
> 
> I think the Smart Line libraries will be helpful too, especially if I ever
> get more organized along the lines of templates and a default file.  But
> what I wanted to point out to you is that for the above example, with the
> possible exception of the enclosure around "loco", the custom line tool
> would work quite well and is very flexible.
> 
> After looking at the smart line dialog box it appears enclosures aren't
> readily available, so maybe that was the point of touting Bill's product.  I
> just wanted to make sure that you and others here were aware of the custom
> line tool and what it could do with the above example.
> 
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Re: [Finale] 2006 a closer look

[Don Hart]

on 6/23/05 1:48 PM, Chuck Israels at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> 
> I just looked a little more carefully at the 2006 enhancements and
> found one thing that will be useful to me: Smart Line libraries.
> 
> For example, Bill Duncan has created some particularly useful Smart
> Shape devices that include more elements than Finale has in its
> libraries, like  an 8va sign with the usual dashed line following it
> but with the addition of a clearly noticeable enclosed  "loco"
> included at the end of the stretchable smart line. ..

Chuck,

I think the Smart Line libraries will be helpful too, especially if I ever
get more organized along the lines of templates and a default file.  But
what I wanted to point out to you is that for the above example, with the
possible exception of the enclosure around "loco", the custom line tool
would work quite well and is very flexible.

After looking at the smart line dialog box it appears enclosures aren't
readily available, so maybe that was the point of touting Bill's product.  I
just wanted to make sure that you and others here were aware of the custom
line tool and what it could do with the above example.

Don Hart

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Re: [Finale] GPO Jazz + B. Clarinet

[Darcy James Argue]

Hey Andrew,

The subcontrabass saxophone does indeed exist -- it's sometimes also 
called the "tubax".  It is a relatively new and extremely rare 
instrument.


Photos and more info here:

http://www.jayeaston.com/galleries/sax_family/subcontrabass_sax.html

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On 23 Jun 2005, at 3:09 PM, Andrew Stiller wrote:



On Jun 23, 2005, at 6:47 AM, Ken Durling wrote:

  An "Electric Piano" I think technically has to have reeds and 
hammers, or even strings like those stubby little grands made by 
Yamaha.




Well the terminology may have changed, but back in pre-Moog times 
there were undoubted "electric pianos" that produced their sound by 
purely electronic means. Significantly, these were considered inferior 
to the electroacoustic kind.


And BTW, does the subcontrabass saxophone even exist? As an actual 
instrument?


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Re: [Finale] Need INVISIBLE chord anchors

[Martin Banner]

I do this a lot with adding figured bass in 18th century continuo parts...after inputting the part in Layer 1, I then switch to layer two, add as many rests as I need to match the beat where I have to attach the figures. After assigning the figures (I use chord tool for this), I then go back and hide the rests in layer 2 by hitting the letter O.

Martin


On Jun 23, 2005, at 3:03 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

When generating a lead sheet, it is often desirable to have chords that sequence under a fixed melody note. For example, you might have an 8 beat whole note where a sequence of chords are changing under it. This is not in keeping with the way finale anchors chords, since it the chord anchor must be on a tied note, note or rest. I have not seen any way to anchor a chord to a note that's not in the staff.
 
One can generate an artificial chord anchor by breaking a long note into tied notes, but that makes it awkward to read the music, and it's not good notation practice.
 
I tried hanging chords onto alternate layers, but that means sticking notes into the score that don't belong, and I have not figured out how to suppress the printing out of the alternate layers. That really confuses things.
 
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Re: [Finale] Need INVISIBLE chord anchors

[Chuck Israels]

Dear Bill,This is something jazz writers need to do all the time, and there are a couple of ways of using layers and staff styles to do this.  The way I do it most often is to enter the notes into layer 2 (while making sure that the document options do not freeze the stems, ties and rests of that layer when there are no "notes in other layers"  - see document options - layers).  Then I enter quarter note rests (usually, that's enough rhythmic detail for chord anchors) into layer 1 and then choose "blank notation - Layer 1 from the staff styles, making sure that that staff style is defined to show items attached to notes.  When you apply this staff style to the staves which already have your music, plus the now ugly overlay of quarter rests in layer 1, the quarter rests will disappear, and the stems, ties & rests, of the notes in layer 2, even if they have been frozen into places you didn't want while the rests were showing, will now revert to the normal default, and you can now type in the chords you need in any quarter note "place" in layer 1.  This should work fine, and becomes pretty easy after doing it only a couple of times.  There are more sophisticated ways of using the layers in such a way that one can copy the chords and their anchors to new places that contain music in layer 1.  In this case, you need to create a blank staff style in another layer (usually layer 4) that has a few more requirements, but unless you have to transfer chords from place to place, over different music entries, this is probably more than you'll need.  Try the easier method first.Hope this helps.ChuckOn Jun 23, 2005, at 12:03 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When generating a lead sheet, it is often desirable to have chords that sequence under a fixed melody note. For example, you might have an 8 beat whole note where a sequence of chords are changing under it. This is not in keeping with the way finale anchors chords, since it the chord anchor must be on a tied note, note or rest. I have not seen any way to anchor a chord to a note that's not in the staff.   One can generate an artificial chord anchor by breaking a long note into tied notes, but that makes it awkward to read the music, and it's not good notation practice.   I tried hanging chords onto alternate layers, but that means sticking notes into the score that don't belong, and I have not figured out how to suppress the printing out of the alternate layers. That really confuses things.   Has anyone figured out a way around this?   Yours; Bill S.___Finale mailing listFinale@shsu.eduhttp://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale  Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com  ___
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Re: [Finale] GPO Jazz + B. Clarinet

[Andrew Stiller]

On Jun 23, 2005, at 6:47 AM, Ken Durling wrote:

  An "Electric Piano" I think technically has to have reeds and 
hammers, or even strings like those stubby little grands made by 
Yamaha.




Well the terminology may have changed, but back in pre-Moog times there 
were undoubted "electric pianos" that produced their sound by purely 
electronic means. Significantly, these were considered inferior to the 
electroacoustic kind.


And BTW, does the subcontrabass saxophone even exist? As an actual 
instrument?


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[Finale] Need INVISIBLE chord anchors

[BillSincl]

When generating a lead sheet, it is often desirable to have chords that 
sequence under a fixed melody note. For example, you might have 
an 8 beat whole note where a sequence of chords are changing under it. 
This is not in keeping with the way finale anchors chords, since it the chord 
anchor must be on a tied note, note or rest. I have not seen any way to 
anchor a chord to a note that's not in the staff.
 
One can generate an artificial chord anchor by breaking a 
long note into tied notes, but that makes it awkward to read the 
music, and it's not good notation practice.
 
I tried hanging chords onto alternate layers, but that means sticking notes 
into the score that don't belong, and I have not figured out 
how to suppress the printing out of the alternate layers. That really confuses 
things.
 
Has anyone figured out a way around this?
 
Yours; Bill 
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Re: [Finale] 2006

[Darcy James Argue]

Hi Andrew,

MIDI files contain no audio data.  They play back using whatever MIDI 
instruments the person playing back the file happens to have on their 
computer (or sound card).  It's a like a player piano roll -- it plays 
back using the sound of whatever player piano you feed it through.


If you want everyone to hear _your_ snazzy MIDI sounds, you must record 
an audio file and post that to the internet.


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On 23 Jun 2005, at 2:42 PM, Andrew Stiller wrote:



On Jun 22, 2005, at 5:50 PM, Eric Dannewitz wrote:

 the addition of better sounds will be nice. Though I just bought the 
whole GPO through their group buy :-/




An overall MIDI question I've had for years: If I have a snazzy set of 
sounds on my computer, create a MIDI file with them, and post it to 
the internet, will someone listening to that file over the internet 
hear the same sounds, or just whatever MIDI sounds their own computer 
has?


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Re: [Finale] 2006

[Ken Durling]

Not sure about the question:  in the first place a MIDI file isn't made 
from "sounds" it' s just computer code.


However, you could create a MIDI file which triggers your snazzy sounds and 
record the end product as a WAV or MP3 file, and post THAT and everyone 
would hear what you hear.


Or am I missing something obvious in your question?  I must be.

Ken




At 11:42 AM 6/23/2005, you wrote:


On Jun 22, 2005, at 5:50 PM, Eric Dannewitz wrote:

 the addition of better sounds will be nice. Though I just bought the 
whole GPO through their group buy :-/


An overall MIDI question I've had for years: If I have a snazzy set of 
sounds on my computer, create a MIDI file with them, and post it to the 
internet, will someone listening to that file over the internet hear the 
same sounds, or just whatever MIDI sounds their own computer has?


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Re: [Finale] 2006 a closer look

[Chuck Israels]

I just looked a little more carefully at the 2006 enhancements and  
found one thing that will be useful to me: Smart Line libraries.


For example, Bill Duncan has created some particularly useful Smart  
Shape devices that include more elements than Finale has in its  
libraries, like  an 8va sign with the usual dashed line following it  
but with the addition of a clearly noticeable enclosed  "loco"  
included at the end of the stretchable smart line.  There are also  
Smart Shapes with the ability to enter the name of a cued instrument  
with "Play" appearing at the end of the line. (French Horn  
Cue...stretchable linePlay - all in one shape.)  These  
things are quite useful to me, and not easy (though possible) to  
transfer from file to file.  Smart Line libraries will make this a  
piece of cake.


A little thing, perhaps, but I'm going to like it.

Chuck


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Re: [Finale] 2006

[Andrew Stiller]

On Jun 22, 2005, at 5:50 PM, Eric Dannewitz wrote:

 the addition of better sounds will be nice. Though I just bought the 
whole GPO through their group buy :-/




An overall MIDI question I've had for years: If I have a snazzy set of 
sounds on my computer, create a MIDI file with them, and post it to the 
internet, will someone listening to that file over the internet hear 
the same sounds, or just whatever MIDI sounds their own computer has?


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Re: [Finale] 2006 question

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On Jun 23, 2005, at 11:01 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/23/05 12:41:59 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:Does "Embeded Fonts" mean that when you send Finale files, all fonts  that are in them will print correctly, whether or not they are  installed in the system of the recipient of the files   Chuck - I believe it refers to exported graphics.Oh.  Not a bad thing, but less than I imagined.I'll dream on.Thanks.Chuck___Finale mailing listFinale@shsu.eduhttp://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale  Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com  ___
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Re: [Finale] 2006 question

[JohnBlane]

In a message dated 6/23/05 12:41:59 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:



Does "Embeded Fonts" mean that when you send Finale files, all fonts 
that are in them will print correctly, whether or not they are 
installed in the system of the recipient of the files


Chuck - I believe it refers to exported graphics.
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Re: [Finale] Finale 2006

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

At 07:39 PM 6/23/05 +0200, Jari Williamsson wrote:
>Williams, Jim wrote:
>
>> That's what I'd call the expected part of the
> > move. The notation technology is MATURE--there simply
>> isn't a great deal of advancement or enhancement left
> > to do.
>
>Any software developer who think that there is nothing left to do 
>because the product is mature just isn't innovative/creative, nothing 
>else IMO.

That's for sure. Where's the pen/tablet input? Graphics-style copy/paste
(i.e., "stop screwing around with my stuff")? Measure-free input? Rotation
of elements? Bendable staff lines? The smart-shaping of all elements?
Ownership 'rubber bands'? Immediate element access (instead of all the
[EMAIL PROTECTED] dialog boxes)? Hell, where's a really functional UI?

Never mind. It gets *so* old...

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Re: [Finale] 2006 question

[Chuck Israels]

On Jun 23, 2005, at 10:41 AM, Chuck Israels wrote:


Do I understand this correctly from the blurb on the MM site?

Does "Embeded Fonts" mean that when you send Finale files, all  
fonts that are in them will print correctly, whether or not they  
are installed in the system of the recipient of the files?


Sorry if this seems like a naive question, but you guys are  
habitually patient with my unfamiliarity with some of these things.


If I am reading this correctly, and the above is going to be true,  
that will helpful to me.


TIA.

Chuck



That will "be" helpful, I meant to type.  Ugggh.

Chuck

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[Finale] 2006 question

[Chuck Israels]

Do I understand this correctly from the blurb on the MM site?

Does "Embeded Fonts" mean that when you send Finale files, all fonts  
that are in them will print correctly, whether or not they are  
installed in the system of the recipient of the files?


Sorry if this seems like a naive question, but you guys are  
habitually patient with my unfamiliarity with some of these things.


If I am reading this correctly, and the above is going to be true,  
that will helpful to me.


TIA.

Chuck


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Re: [Finale] Finale 2006

[Jari Williamsson]

Williams, Jim wrote:


That's what I'd call the expected part of the

> move. The notation technology is MATURE--there simply

isn't a great deal of advancement or enhancement left

> to do.

Any software developer who think that there is nothing left to do 
because the product is mature just isn't innovative/creative, nothing 
else IMO.



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Re: [Finale] Finale 2006 new features

[Jari Williamsson]

Randolph Peters wrote:
Does anyone on the list know what this blurb from the Finale web site 
really means?


Yes, but I'm not allowed to tell you.

"New in Finale 2006 - SmartMusic Soundfont playback is expanded from 16 
channels to 128."


I thought we had 64 MIDI channels (on the Mac) not 16. Does this only 
apply to the Soundfont?


Windows version has 16 in Fin2005.


Will we get the full 128 MIDI channels?


As I said, not allowed to tell you.


Best regards,

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[Finale] Finale 2006 new features

[Randolph Peters]

Does anyone on the list know what this blurb from the Finale web site 
really means?


"New in Finale 2006 - SmartMusic Soundfont playback is expanded from 
16 channels to 128."


I thought we had 64 MIDI channels (on the Mac) not 16. Does this only 
apply to the Soundfont?


Will we get the full 128 MIDI channels?

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Re: [Finale] GPO Jazz + B. Clarinet

[Adriel]

on 6/23/05 11:52 AM, A-NO-NE Music at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


> 
> Which brings another question.  There got to be a distinction between
> acoustic and electric jazz violin as you can't say jazz guitar without
> defining electric and nylon, right?


Wait add to that Selmer style and acoustic archtop type guitars as well.
Acoustic jazz is coming back in to style along with jazz violin. It's the
whole Gypsy Jazz craze that is fueling it.

The other jazz related crazes are ukulele and steel guitar. This is pre-bop
older jazz stuff but, that's the same fuel that is bringing back Grapelli
style violin. In fact jazz mandolin is becoming pretty hot now as well.



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Re: [Finale] GPO Jazz + B. Clarinet

[A-NO-NE Music]

Darcy James Argue / 2005/06/23 / 12:24 PM wrote:

>You need to talk to NI about registration issues.  They handle all the 
>copy protection stuff.


I know, but the only way to get response from NI is if you are
registered.  That's why I thought Gary would help me out on this as his
welcome email message said :-(


-- 

- Hiro

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RE: [Finale] Finale 2006

[Phil Daley]

At 6/23/2005 12:14 PM, Williams, Jim wrote:

>That's what I'd call the expected part of the move. The notation technology
>is MATURE--there simply isn't a great deal of advancement or enhancement
>left to do. As to bug fixes, a software vendor that squashes every single
>bug has nowhere to go, so much as I may hate it, I live with it

This statement makes absolutely no sense.

As I am working for a software vendor, be assured that this is certainly 
not our philosophy.


We try to fix ALL bugs, but, I agree with many comments on this list, we 
fix the squeaky wheel first.


Phil Daley  < AutoDesk >
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Re: [Finale] GPO Jazz + B. Clarinet

[Darcy James Argue]

On 23 Jun 2005, at 11:52 AM, A-NO-NE Music wrote:


By the way, I am still waiting Gary to respond to my GPO registration
issue but to no avail.  What's my option?


Hiro,

You need to talk to NI about registration issues.  They handle all the 
copy protection stuff.


- Darcy
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RE: [Finale] Finale 2006

[Williams, Jim]

 


 

RP>This issue of long-standing bugs being fixed points up a feature 
listed on the website that greets me with dismay. That is the "Studio View & 
Powerful Mixer" feature. Some on this list are already salivating at the 
thought, but for all its possible value, I believe it is a rueful step.



I'd not label it "rueful" though I'd love to see all the existing bugs 
fixed...I'd consider this move to be expected and evolutionary.


RP>That is because it is a step out of the notation world into the 
crowded sequencer market. If Finale tries to be all things, it will be none. MM 
is a tiny company. The introduction of sequencer features risks the possibility 
that most of their resources the next few years will be devoted to enhancing 
those. 

That's what I'd call the evolutionary part of the move.  Competing 
products already have this.  The two technologies of notation and playback are 
merging.  (Notice that I call it "playback" and not "sequencing") The clients I 
have are becoming sophisticated enough to demand not only a printed score but 
also a better-than-GM mockup so they can peddle their wares. They have grown in 
sophistication, so must we, and so must the products we use.

FWIW< I would have made this set of changes a while AGO, instead of  or 
BEFORE the Rhyming Dictionary and the auto-sorta-harmonizer

RP>I am extremely concerned that we may have seen the virtual end of 
notation-related enhancements for a long while. The 2006 release already 
apparently provides essentially none, at least based on the new features list 
at the website.

That's what I'd call the expected part of the move. The notation 
technology is MATURE--there simply isn't a great deal of advancement or 
enhancement left to do. As to bug fixes, a software vendor that squashes every 
single bug has nowhere to go, so much as I may hate it, I live with it

RP>The new plugins look like they could be moderately nice, but plugins 
by definition cannot add new functionality. At their best, they automate the 
old functionality.

If it makes my job easier, it's worth it to me, whether it is a new 
functionality or an automation of something old.  In my "other life," a 
spreadsheet merely automated tasks I'd been doing for years. Sure did make my 
life easier!!

Conclusion: I had moved away from Finale and become very involved with 
a competing product, beyond just using it...this set of improvements will bring 
me back to Finale alongside the "competing product."

As to notation, there is probably a "Bruno Bettelheim" phenomenon at 
work--there is a level of notation that is "good enough" for publication and 
performance.  While I may not love that, I can live with it to some extent 
without feeling compromised, and I'd say that all the notation products realize 
that to some extent or other.

Just some random thoughts to stimulate discussion...

Jim


 

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Re: [Finale] Finale 2006

[Randolph Peters]

I'm actually looking forward to the changes in Finale 2006. Of 
course, I'll see how well the changes are implemented before giving 
them my full endorsement.


I wanted more MIDI channels, live mixer, faster screen redraws, mixed 
libraries, smoother onscreen graphics, and yes, textured paper. (The 
last item is something that I liked in Sibelius. It really is easier 
on the eyes and that matters after hours and days of Finale work.)


MakeMusic doesn't have my priorities, but if version 2006 does what 
they say it will do, I'm all for it.


-Randolph Peters
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Re: [Finale] FinMac2005b Tiger problem

[Stan Lord]

I've been saving this old email for the time I got Tiger - which was  
yesterday.

However, this solution to the missing fonts doesn't seem to work for me.
I did a search for "com.apple.ATS"  which turned out to be a folder.   
I dragged it to Trash and restarted.  No difference.


Deleted Trash and restarted - no difference.
Strangely enough the old Petrucci is working, but not Maestro.

 Any step by step, idiot proof help greatly appreciated.

Stan Lord
On 5 May 2005, at 14:38, Allen Fisher wrote:


Hi guys--

Apple recommended the following:


Delete com.apple.ATS from /Library/Caches

Reboot.

Allen

On 5/5/05 2:30 AM, "Dennis W. Manasco" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> saith:



At 11:46 AM -0400 5/4/05, A-NO-NE Music wrote:



Finale fonts are not recognized by _this_ Tiger.  When I run Verify
Fonts, all the Finale fonts are grayed out.  Ack!



Hiro --

Did you try deleting all of the font caches?

Try something like Tiger Cache Cleaner

,

with cache cleaning set on the "deep" level. This is a good step when
installing any OS upgrade anyway -- slower restarts and app starts
for a (very) short time, but flushes out the left-over crud.

(After FIRST doing the obvious: Single user mode disk check {restart,
hold down command-s, type "fsck -fy [ret] reboot [ret]"}, Disk
Utility > Repair Permissions, and (if they have Tiger-compatible
versions yet) a directory rebuild with DiskWarrior and a directory
and filesystem check with Tech Tool Pro.)

Also: If you are using Suitcase you might want to search the last few
days of . There seem to be some teething
problems with Suitcase under Tiger, but I don't remember the details
since I'm not a Suitcase user and just skimmed the articles.

Best wishes,

-=-Dennis
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Re: [Finale] GPO Jazz + B. Clarinet

[A-NO-NE Music]

Darcy James Argue / 2005/06/23 / 03:14 AM wrote:

>Jazz violin is actually much more common than C-Melody sax.  There are 
>lots of jazz violinists in NYC, so I'm sure there are at least a few in 
>the Bay Area.

Jazz violin trend is happening only last few years on this side of
coast.  What I mean is we started to see really capable (read groovin')
jazz violin players and they are getting good attention these days, but
it was not like this 10 years ago even after Tutu.

Which brings another question.  There got to be a distinction between
acoustic and electric jazz violin as you can't say jazz guitar without
defining electric and nylon, right?

By the way, I am still waiting Gary to respond to my GPO registration
issue but to no avail.  What's my option?

-- 

- Hiro

Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA
 


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Re: [Finale] Finale 2006

[richard.bartkus]

The only purpose I have for playback is note checking.  The mixer, GPO 
functionality etc. is a nice to have but not worth much to me as a tool;  only 
as a toy (an expensive toy - LOL).  But, I also realize that MM needs to have 
enough revenue to support R&D, and that means they have to appeal to more than 
this trombone player, arranger, copyist, pizza delivery boy and Sr Database 
Administrator (smile)

Richard Bartkus



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Re: [Finale] Finale 2006

[James E. Bailey]

It saddens me as well. They're trying to compete with Sibelius for the 
school market, and (to their mind) make composition on the computer 
easier to teach and do with these features. I, like probably most 
people on this list, would rather have a program that worked really 
well, but was limited to notation and possibly MIDI playback (like 
score) that have a programm that attempted to be Cakewalk or a 
sequencer from the notational rather than the performance aspect. 
Sequencer truly offer notation-based input. It's lousy, but there.
I didn't get the 2005 update, and I doubt I'll get the 2006. It makes 
me kinda sad.


Am 23.06.2005 um 06:56 schrieb Robert Patterson:

This issue of long-standing bugs being fixed points up a feature 
listed on the website that greets me with dismay. That is the "Studio 
View & Powerful Mixer" feature. Some on this list are already 
salivating at the thought, but for all its possible value, I believe 
it is a rueful step.


That is because it is a step out of the notation world into the 
crowded sequencer market. If Finale tries to be all things, it will be 
none. MM is a tiny company. The introduction of sequencer features 
risks the possibility that most of their resources the next few years 
will be devoted to enhancing those. I am extremely concerned that we 
may have seen the virtual end of notation-related enhancements for a 
long while. The 2006 release already apparently provides essentially 
none, at least based on the new features list at the website. Moving 
around the items in the Copy/Paste UI and calling it "engraver" hardly 
makes it a significant notation-related improvement. And any time a UI 
gets shifted around, I wonder what feature(s) might have been taken 
away.


The new plugins look like they could be moderately nice, but plugins 
by definition cannot add new functionality. At their best, they 
automate the old functionality. This is probably the case with new 
plugins like "Split Measure" and "Mid-measure repeats", although one 
hopes there might be bug fixes for some of the long-standing problems 
related to, e.g., split measures, or minor functional tweaks to make 
the plugins' jobs a bit easier.



-Original Message-
From: Richard Yates [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 03:41 AM
To: 'Coda Finale Support', 'Finale list'
Subject: [Finale] Finale 2006

I am far more interested in whether existing bugs have been fixed 
than in
new features. The web site lists new features. Is there a list 
somewhere of
things that were broken in Finale2005 but have been fixed in 
Finale2006?


Richard Yates








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Re: [Finale] Finale 2006

[Chuck Israels]

Hi Robert,

I am in agreement with you about the direction of the developments.   
I think people like you (and me) think we are "the market" for MM.   
Unfortunately, we are probably a small portion of it.  Still, there  
are folks at MM who would like to see us satisfied, and they do want  
to have the best notation program.  It must be a struggle for them  
too.  All we can do is continue to ply them with mail and calls  
asking for what we need.


(I don't use any of the "sequencing" software myself.)


Chuck





On Jun 23, 2005, at 6:56 AM, Robert Patterson wrote:

This issue of long-standing bugs being fixed points up a feature  
listed on the website that greets me with dismay. That is the  
"Studio View & Powerful Mixer" feature. Some on this list are  
already salivating at the thought, but for all its possible value,  
I believe it is a rueful step.


That is because it is a step out of the notation world into the  
crowded sequencer market. If Finale tries to be all things, it will  
be none. MM is a tiny company. The introduction of sequencer  
features risks the possibility that most of their resources the  
next few years will be devoted to enhancing those. I am extremely  
concerned that we may have seen the virtual end of notation-related  
enhancements for a long while. The 2006 release already apparently  
provides essentially none, at least based on the new features list  
at the website. Moving around the items in the Copy/Paste UI and  
calling it "engraver" hardly makes it a significant notation- 
related improvement. And any time a UI gets shifted around, I  
wonder what feature(s) might have been taken away.


The new plugins look like they could be moderately nice, but  
plugins by definition cannot add new functionality. At their best,  
they automate the old functionality. This is probably the case with  
new plugins like "Split Measure" and "Mid-measure repeats",  
although one hopes there might be bug fixes for some of the long- 
standing problems related to, e.g., split measures, or minor  
functional tweaks to make the plugins' jobs a bit easier.




-Original Message-
From: Richard Yates [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 03:41 AM
To: 'Coda Finale Support', 'Finale list'
Subject: [Finale] Finale 2006

I am far more interested in whether existing bugs have been fixed  
than in
new features. The web site lists new features. Is there a list  
somewhere of
things that were broken in Finale2005 but have been fixed in  
Finale2006?


Richard Yates









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Re: [Finale] Finale 2006

[Robert Patterson]

This issue of long-standing bugs being fixed points up a feature listed on the 
website that greets me with dismay. That is the "Studio View & Powerful Mixer" 
feature. Some on this list are already salivating at the thought, but for all 
its possible value, I believe it is a rueful step.

That is because it is a step out of the notation world into the crowded 
sequencer market. If Finale tries to be all things, it will be none. MM is a 
tiny company. The introduction of sequencer features risks the possibility that 
most of their resources the next few years will be devoted to enhancing those. 
I am extremely concerned that we may have seen the virtual end of 
notation-related enhancements for a long while. The 2006 release already 
apparently provides essentially none, at least based on the new features list 
at the website. Moving around the items in the Copy/Paste UI and calling it 
"engraver" hardly makes it a significant notation-related improvement. And any 
time a UI gets shifted around, I wonder what feature(s) might have been taken 
away.

The new plugins look like they could be moderately nice, but plugins by 
definition cannot add new functionality. At their best, they automate the old 
functionality. This is probably the case with new plugins like "Split Measure" 
and "Mid-measure repeats", although one hopes there might be bug fixes for some 
of the long-standing problems related to, e.g., split measures, or minor 
functional tweaks to make the plugins' jobs a bit easier.

> -Original Message-
> From: Richard Yates [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 03:41 AM
> To: 'Coda Finale Support', 'Finale list'
> Subject: [Finale] Finale 2006
> 
> I am far more interested in whether existing bugs have been fixed than in
> new features. The web site lists new features. Is there a list somewhere of
> things that were broken in Finale2005 but have been fixed in Finale2006?
> 
> Richard Yates
> 
> 
> 
>



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Re: [Finale] GPO Jazz + B. Clarinet

[Christopher Smith]

On Jun 23, 2005, at 2:05 AM, Darcy James Argue wrote:

(snip)

 the GPO Jazz/Big Band is missing tuba, mallets on the drum set, and 
acoustic guitar.


I am partial myself to the tuba (heh, heh, because I actually play jazz 
tuba. Jim Self would be the guy to sample for jazz tuba, though!) but 
acoustic guitar is so well accounted for in just about every synth, 
sample collection, and virtual instrument that it might be hard to 
justify it in this collection.


But mallets on the drum set, absolutely! That one escaped me at first.

Christopher

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Re: [Finale] GPO Jazz + B. Clarinet

[Ken Durling]

At 12:14 AM 6/23/2005, you wrote:
 Could be a Yamaha DX7 for all I know. Vintage Electric Piano does not 
equal Fender Rhodes. It could be a RMI Electra-Piano, a Wurlitzer, I 
could go on...


As long as we're "picking nits" ;-)  I would never classify a DX7 as an 
"Electric Piano," it's a synth.  All the Vintage EP sounds I hear on 
various units and sound sets seem to be either Rhodes or Wurlitzer, so I 
think it's a safe bet.  An "Electric Piano" I think technically has to have 
reeds and hammers, or even strings like those stubby little grands made by 
Yamaha.




Jazz violin?


Uh, yes.  More common than sopranino saxophone, right?

Again, it's like C-Melody. I know of no jazz saxophonist in the SF Bay 
Area that plays/records on it.


Jazz violin is actually much more common than C-Melody sax.  There are 
lots of jazz violinists in NYC, so I'm sure there are at least a few in 
the Bay Area.



Yes, a couple of quite well-known ones, too: Jeremy Cohen, Jenny 
Scheinmann, Darryl Anger... more I'm sure.


Ken


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Re: [Finale] GPO Jazz + B. Clarinet

[Darcy James Argue]

On 23 Jun 2005, at 2:28 AM, Eric Dannewitz wrote:


Darcy James Argue wrote:


I'd say Tuba, French Horn, Fender Rhodes,

GPO Jazz/Big Band already has Rhodes piano.


It does not say Rhodes piano, it says, according to the site, 
http://garritan.com/jazz.html, Vintage Electric Piano. That could be 
anything. Could be a Yamaha DX7 for all I know. Vintage Electric Piano 
does not equal Fender Rhodes. It could be a RMI Electra-Piano, a 
Wurlitzer, I could go on


95% of the time, "Vintage Electric Piano" is code for Rhodes (which 
they can't actually say, for trademark reasons).  Sure, theoretically, 
it _could_ be anything, but I'd be pretty surprised if it turned out to 
be anything other than a Rhodes.



 acoustic/electric guitar.


It already has 2 electric guitars (no acoustic).

Did you look at the website before posting this?  The info is here:

http://www.garritan.com/jazz.html


Yeah, I did smart ass. It says TWO ELECTRIC Guitars. No acoustic.


Um, yeah -- isn't that *exactly what I said*, immediately above?  (And 
what's with the gratuitous insults?  Chill out, already.)


There are *lots* of classic jazz recordings with B3 -- like 
ferinstance, Larry Young's _Unity_, with Joe Henderson and Elvin 
Jones.  That said, I agree with you.  You can get good B3 samples 
elsewhere and I'm not exactly broken up about the lack of B3 organ.  
I was just listing some instruments that would make more sense -- a 
*lot* more sense -- than subcontrabass saxophone.


On this we agree. All those strange saxophones need to go.


Well, I don't know that they "need to go," now that they've been 
sampled and programmed.  It will actually be kind of fun to have them.  
But recording them was a very strange use of limited resources, even if 
their player already owned all these obscure saxes.



Jazz violin?



Uh, yes.  More common than sopranino saxophone, right?


Again, it's like C-Melody. I know of no jazz saxophonist in the SF Bay 
Area that plays/records on it.


Jazz violin is actually much more common than C-Melody sax.  There are 
lots of jazz violinists in NYC, so I'm sure there are at least a few in 
the Bay Area.


(Again, I'm not saying "No basic jazz sample library would be complete 
without jazz violin" -- just that it would be a more defensible choice 
than some of the other instruments Gary decided to include.)


 People are bound to say (as I did) -- "Why on earth did you include 
C-melody saxophone but not [instrument X]?"


[...]  A Marimba would be nice to have...


See what I mean? [grin]

Marimba's cool but pretty rare in jazz contexts.  [Although *I* use it 
a fair bit.]  However, I imagine anyone who really needed marimba -- 
like, say, me --  would want the Orchestral GPO as well as the Jazz 
Edition.


- Darcy
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