[Finale] FinMac2k7: bug Double/Split Stem Tool
Just came across what I think is a bug in FinMac2k7 with the Special ToolsDouble/Split Stem Tool and would like to know if anybody else can confirm this or has a work around? I tested it in a clean copy of the Maestro Default file that shipped with the app. In 4/4 time CMaj I input a bar of 4 groups of 1/32nd notes on B mid stave. Then selecting Special ToolsDouble/Split Stem Tool select only one note from each 1/4 note group for double beaming. The upstem flags immediately displace to the right by significant amounts eg 2 bars. In the next bar, I input a mix of 1/8 and 1/16th notes on B. When I apply double beams to a single note within a 1/4 note group the upstem flags go even further to the right and can go off the virtual page in limbo. The flags can't be selected. However, if I double-stem a subsequent note within the same 1/4 note beat group, then Fin2k7 beams the two or more upstem notes correctly and the displaced flags disappear. I've checked the Doc OptionsFlags's font settings and Fibonacci spacing but nothing changes. I've done data check/file integrity etc and no probs. This bug has been causing me grief with an older score that began life in FinMac2.6.3. I went back to each successive conversion of the score from FinMac2.6.3, Fin3.2, Fin3.5.1, Fin2k to Fin2k6d and opened the files in their respective Finale versions and the problem doesn't appear and complex passages of double stems all work as they should do. The bug is only in FinMac2k7 when I import either the file from previous FinMac2k6d or when I import directly from the older FinMac2.6.3 version, irrespective whether the default music font is the older Petrucci (24pt) or the current Maestro font. PPCG4 1.25GHz DP Mirror Door OSX 10.4.7/FinMac 2k7 and previous versions. -- cheers, Claudio Claudio Pompili composer, sound designer, music consultant http://www.claudiopompili.net.au/ (**2002-2003 Golden Web Award**) AMC http://www.amcoz.com.au ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] triplet--quarter to eighth
The problem I'm having with making triplets occurs when I enter them in speedy entry. The spacing or duration is somehow thrown off when I enter a triplet consisting of a quarter note to an eighth note. There must be an easy fix for this. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] triplet--quarter to eighth
On Sep 9, 2006, at 10:49 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The problem I'm having with making triplets occurs when I enter them in speedy entry. The spacing or duration is somehow thrown off when I enter a triplet consisting of a quarter note to an eighth note. There must be an easy fix for this. Ah ha! I know what you're doing. You are hitting shift-3 (opt-3 on Mac) to define a triplet, as you should. Now the next keystroke is of vital importance, because it tells Finale whether it is an eighth- note, quarter-note, or whatever triplet. If you hit 4 entering the next note, Finale knows it is supposed to be an 8th note triplet. But you are probably hitting 5 for a quarter note, which tells Finale to expect a quarter note triplet, thus messing up the spacing (and incidentally probably creating an incomplete measure). The solution is to hit shift-3 to start the triplet, then enter an EIGHTH note (NOT a quarter!) as the first note. Then hit left arrow, hit 5 to change it to a quarter, then enter the last 8th note. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Score order
I'm working on a piece for choir and concert band What should be the score order relationship of the choir to the band? Choir at the top? There must be a precedent for this, but I don't know what it is. TIA, Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Score order
The stuff I have done for choir + band, has had the choir at the top and a reduced band score under that. I don't know if that's SOP or not. Dean On Sep 9, 2006, at 11:51 AM, Chuck Israels wrote: I'm working on a piece for choir and concert band What should be the score order relationship of the choir to the band? Choir at the top? There must be a precedent for this, but I don't know what it is. TIA, Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Dean M. Estabrook [EMAIL PROTECTED] Have you ever heard of an eleven or thirteen step program? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Score order
Dean, That would have been my choice too. Thanks, chuck On Sep 9, 2006, at 12:06 PM, Dean M. Estabrook wrote: The stuff I have done for choir + band, has had the choir at the top and a reduced band score under that. I don't know if that's SOP or not. Dean On Sep 9, 2006, at 11:51 AM, Chuck Israels wrote: I'm working on a piece for choir and concert band What should be the score order relationship of the choir to the band? Choir at the top? There must be a precedent for this, but I don't know what it is. TIA, Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Dean M. Estabrook [EMAIL PROTECTED] Have you ever heard of an eleven or thirteen step program? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Score order
Either top or bottom seems to be common - strict classical procedure calls for the choir to be placed above the strings in the orchestra, which would most probably translate as at the bottom of a concert band score. But there seem to be variants in score order these days, especially in concert band music, which seems to be written overwhelmingly for the educational market. Christopher On Sep 9, 2006, at 11:51 AM, Chuck Israels wrote: I'm working on a piece for choir and concert band What should be the score order relationship of the choir to the band? Choir at the top? There must be a precedent for this, but I don't know what it is. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Score order
Hi Christopher, This is for the Soldier's Chorus and the Army Field Band. Jessica is leaving her job singing with them at the end of the Fall tour, and they've asked her for two folk song arrangements that they will be performing on this tour. One is for the choir, ww quintet and piano, and the other is for the choir, piano and the whole band, The first is done (first project w/linked parts), and we put the choir above the winds and the piano. Even though that was not the classical method. it still seemed more appropriate to the way the music was designed. This second one too, is choir intensive, so I think I'll do the same with it, as long as there's no engraved in stone precedent. It's the way I'd prefer it, were I to be conducting from the score. Chuck On Sep 9, 2006, at 12:42 PM, Christopher Smith wrote: Either top or bottom seems to be common - strict classical procedure calls for the choir to be placed above the strings in the orchestra, which would most probably translate as at the bottom of a concert band score. But there seem to be variants in score order these days, especially in concert band music, which seems to be written overwhelmingly for the educational market. Christopher On Sep 9, 2006, at 11:51 AM, Chuck Israels wrote: I'm working on a piece for choir and concert band What should be the score order relationship of the choir to the band? Choir at the top? There must be a precedent for this, but I don't know what it is. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Score order
At 11:51 AM -0700 9/9/06, Chuck Israels wrote: I'm working on a piece for choir and concert band What should be the score order relationship of the choir to the band? Choir at the top? There must be a precedent for this, but I don't know what it is. TIA, Chuck The precedent is orchestral practice, which usually places either vocal soloists or chorus above the strings in modern publications, which is also where an instrumental solo part would be placed. In my own band/chorus scores I lay the page out: Woodwinds Chorus Brass Percussion for no particular reason and with no particular precedent except that it works well for me. John -- John Susie Howell Virginia Tech Department of Music Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Score order
John Howell wrote: In my own band/chorus scores I lay the page out: Woodwinds Chorus Brass Percussion for no particular reason and with no particular precedent except that it works well for me. Well, anything that keeps the woodwinds at a distance from the brass can't be all bad. :) cd -- http://www.livejournal.com/users/dershem/# ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Score order
Christopher Smith wrote: Either top or bottom seems to be common - strict classical procedure calls for the choir to be placed above the strings in the orchestra, which would most probably translate as at the bottom of a concert band score. But there seem to be variants in score order these days, especially in concert band music, which seems to be written overwhelmingly for the educational market. Speaking with my conductor's hat on now, I prefer to see the chorus in the middle of the score, between the saxes and trumpets. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] OT: closing kit gesture at the end of a piece?
I'm sure the wisdom of this list can help me here: Is there a name for the drum kit cliche that typically (used to) close off the final chord of soft jazz/lounge pieces? It sort of sounds like a triplet down the toms down to the kick drum/snare. Thanks for any help, Matthew ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: closing kit gesture at the end of a piece?
Ba da Boom? :) Chuck On Sep 9, 2006, at 6:06 PM, Matthew Hindson Fastmail acct wrote: I'm sure the wisdom of this list can help me here: Is there a name for the drum kit cliche that typically (used to) close off the final chord of soft jazz/lounge pieces? It sort of sounds like a triplet down the toms down to the kick drum/snare. Thanks for any help, Matthew ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: closing kit gesture at the end of a piece?
Chuck Israels wrote: Ba da Boom? :) Chuck On Sep 9, 2006, at 6:06 PM, Matthew Hindson Fastmail acct wrote: I'm sure the wisdom of this list can help me here: Is there a name for the drum kit cliche that typically (used to) close off the final chord of soft jazz/lounge pieces? It sort of sounds like a triplet down the toms down to the kick drum/snare. Thanks for any help, Matthew Ah, bugger, the horns aren't cutting off again! cd -- http://www.livejournal.com/users/dershem/# ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Score order
That's certainly true. Those of us in the back could go for several days without those fussy reeds. They're far too concerned with silly things like notes and intonation. :) Richard Smith www.rgsmithmusic.com Carl Dershem wrote: Well, anything that keeps the woodwinds at a distance from the brass can't be all bad. :) cd begin:vcard fn:Richard Smith n:Smith;Richard org:R.G. Smith Music Engraving Publishing email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] url:http://www.rgsmithmusic.com version:2.1 end:vcard ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Score order
This is interesting. I have never considered putting choir anyplace except at the bottom, like an orchestra without strings. I'm interested to hear your reasons for other positions. Out of curiosity, I opened a new score in Sibelius using a concert band template and then added a choir. Sibelius placed them at the bottom. I know this is a the Finale list but this machine is waiting on a reformat and Finale is temporarily uninstalled. Richard Smith www.rgsmithmusic. [EMAIL PROTECTED] dhbailey wrote: Christopher Smith wrote: Either top or bottom seems to be common - strict classical procedure calls for the choir to be placed above the strings in the orchestra, which would most probably translate as at the bottom of a concert band score. But there seem to be variants in score order these days, especially in concert band music, which seems to be written overwhelmingly for the educational market. Speaking with my conductor's hat on now, I prefer to see the chorus in the middle of the score, between the saxes and trumpets. begin:vcard fn:Richard Smith n:Smith;Richard org:R.G. Smith Music Engraving Publishing email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] url:http://www.rgsmithmusic.com version:2.1 end:vcard ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Score order
Hmmn, Someone must have designed it that way on the basis of tradition and consensus. I can certainly accept that possibility. I will ask Jessica to find out what the standard practice is for the staff arrangers in the Army Field Band, and I'll probably defer to what they normally use, since that's what the conductor will be used to seeing. It will take a couple of days, but I'll report the findings. Chuck On Sep 9, 2006, at 6:45 PM, Richard Smith wrote: This is interesting. I have never considered putting choir anyplace except at the bottom, like an orchestra without strings. I'm interested to hear your reasons for other positions. Out of curiosity, I opened a new score in Sibelius using a concert band template and then added a choir. Sibelius placed them at the bottom. I know this is a the Finale list but this machine is waiting on a reformat and Finale is temporarily uninstalled. Richard Smith www.rgsmithmusic. [EMAIL PROTECTED] dhbailey wrote: Christopher Smith wrote: Either top or bottom seems to be common - strict classical procedure calls for the choir to be placed above the strings in the orchestra, which would most probably translate as at the bottom of a concert band score. But there seem to be variants in score order these days, especially in concert band music, which seems to be written overwhelmingly for the educational market. Speaking with my conductor's hat on now, I prefer to see the chorus in the middle of the score, between the saxes and trumpets. music.vcf ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: closing kit gesture at the end of a piece?
Or, with an l.v. cymbal on the last note, ba doom shh Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://secretsociety.typepad.com Brooklyn, NY On 09 Sep 2006, at 9:12 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: Ba da Boom? :) Chuck On Sep 9, 2006, at 6:06 PM, Matthew Hindson Fastmail acct wrote: I'm sure the wisdom of this list can help me here: Is there a name for the drum kit cliche that typically (used to) close off the final chord of soft jazz/lounge pieces? It sort of sounds like a triplet down the toms down to the kick drum/snare. Thanks for any help, Matthew ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
