Re: [Finale] differences in playback-MIDI vs. AU/VST
Hiro wrote: One thing I know for sure. Stoopid FinMac (2k6 and 2k7) loads all the AU V.I.s I have and disables them if they are not Native-Instruments, and this costs me cpu/memory load. For this reason, on my machines, Kontakt 2 standalone runs much better, and I won't be surprised if it sounds better because of the lesser resource taxing. I wonder if all my AU components (GPO, GPO Finale, Kontakt 2, Symphonic Choirs, Akoustic Piano) are causing the NI AU playback to have a greater load than my standalone GPO Studio. I'll test this by removing all but GPO and compare the RAM usage. More soon... -Randolph Peters ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Changing notes to cue notes after lyrics are added
Thanks! This is a very clever solution. Christopher Smith wrote: snip This solution might suck in different ways, but try opening the Edit Lyrics window, select all, and set font size to fixed. Since I routinely use around 85% reduction for my staves, this means that if I previously had my lyrics at 14 points, they appeared to be closer to 12 points, so THAT is what I would have to use as my fixed font size. Repeat for other verses. Another thing you might try is leaving the Layer 2 notes in normal size, applying a Staff Style that blanks out Layer 2 but shows items attached (lyrics), then enter the notes in cue size in some other layer for show. So the lyrics are not actually attached to the notes that are shrunk. You can probably use the Change Layers option in Mass Edit for the layer-copying part of it. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] BAK.files
On 01.10.2006 David W. Fenton wrote: OK, if you're so smart, explain to me, if it's a fully open non- proprietary standard, it's not installed by default on any PCs except Apple and Sony? Why is it that the only hardware manufacturers who routinely provide firewire ports are the ones who created the standard? Not really disagreeing, but Firewire is standard on Asus laptops, too. I believe one reason it is not standard on all machines is the simple fact that USB 2 provides the same speed and is supported by more add-ons. Firewire seems to be much better suited to all sorts of streaming (Audio/Video), yet it may be more expensive to implement than USB 2. Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Speed entry on a notebook
On 02.10.2006 Noel Stoutenburg wrote: Turning to your point about not being able to enter notes in Speedy entry, a MIDI controller (it need not necessarily be a keyboard, thought this may be most convenient), while useful in simple entry in 2k7, is _required_ to be able to access most of the features of speedy entry and hyperscribe, including the entry of notes and chords. Unless this is something specific to FinWin it is simply not true. Although Speedy entry without a MIDI device is not exactly very efficient, it is certainly possible to enter notes and chords. If only rests appear then the MIDI input has to be switched off in the Speedy menu, ie Use MIDI device for input has to be unchecked in the Speedy menu. Make sure capslock is off. However, if you intend on entering music permanently without a MIDI device Simple may well turn out to be more efficient. You should select the laptop keyboard layout in the simple menu Simple Entry Options- Edit Keyboard shortcuts. On the long run, if you want to enter music speedily, consider buying a MIDI or USB keyboard, it will make your life much easier. As Noel suggested, I would also buy a separate number keypad. Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Linked Parts
My experience with the linked score/parts shows me that for single-part-staves it is a very good thing and I am hopeful it will only get better. My experience with multiple-part-staves shows me that as soon as Finale filters which notes appear on the single-staff parts that it is possible to end up with, Finale needs to have all musical editing done on either the original score only or on another linked part which contains the original multiple-part-staff. For example, it will be possible to have a score which has 2 flute parts on a single staff, and in the create parts dialogue, to create 3 linked parts: 1) flute 1-2 (contains all the music in the original staff); 2) flute 1 (with the voicing options set appropriately); 3) flute 2 (with the voicing options set appropriately). All the page layout issues can be accomplished on the second and third parts as I just described them, but all the music entry issues (correcting wrong notes, adding or deleting notes, etc) has to be accomplished on the first part I just described. And Chuck found out just as I had done, that extracting the second and third parts as I describe them above allows the editing work to move ahead very nicely. But editing the music in the first part isn't too difficult, and all those edited changes will show up on the second and third parts (before they are extracted, of course). It's all a brave new world that I see a lot of great potential in. But as with so much of Finale (and indeed with all applications I've ever used), it forces the user to learn to think in the program's ideal workflow. We're all so new to it that it's hard to discover just what that work-flow is. David H. Bailey Chuck Israels wrote: Thank you Dennis, I will try this. As I was working yesterday, I finally got frustrated enough to stop the process and extract the parts. The extracted parts retained the work that had been done with the linked parts and inherited the voicing characteristics that had been set up in the parts management dialog. In balance - this element of the new system seems to be well worked out and is more than worth learning to use. But as soon as the parts were extracted and I went back to working in individual documents, things began to go smoothly and quickly. I don't know if this is because the linked parts system is still in its infancy, or if its characteristics simply function in ways that slow down my work flow, but I have spent the past two months stubbornly trying to make it work only to be mightily relieved the moment I finally abandoned it. YMMV. I am reminded to be careful what I wish for, I might get it! I so much want this to work, but I'm beginning to be convinced that it is counterproductive for my work style, and that the time required to open and edit a few documents to make corrections is trivial compared to the time I have spent attempting to bend this method to my needs. Chuck On Sep 30, 2006, at 11:33 PM, dc wrote: Chuck Israels écrit: I am now trying the method David describes below for the first time, and I find that it works pretty well but for the fact that the beams are un-editable in the parts. (Special Tools will not move them.) Since the beam placement is done in the score with two or more notes on the stem, the placement with only one note should be different, and it doesn't look good to me. You cannot apply Paterson Beams plugin in the part (or any other plugin) and going back to the score where there are two notes on the stem doesn't solve the problem of how things will look in the part. Am I missing something? You can apply Patterson Beams (and most other plug-ins) if you use the new version of his plug-ins: you open the plug-in in score view, switch to part view, and apply it. Quite annoying, especially for plug-ins with settings, such as PB, because you can't simply run it without having it open. And then, you waste a lot of time going from score to parts and back. This is probably the most irritating feature of linked parts... Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] BAK etc.
In Windows, for many years now, the same has been possible but for some reason the good programmers at Finale haven't seen fit to make the two versions identical in that regard. There is nothing inherent in windows that forces MyMusic.mus, MyMusic.bak, MyMusic.asv -- they could all be MyMusic.mus, MyMusic bak.mus (or MyMusic copy.mus), and MyMusic asv.mus -- that they aren't isn't the fault of Microsoft or of the windows operating system, but rather it's the fault of the programmers at MM who haven't seen fit to take advantage of the filename possibilities in Windows, yet they have seen fit to take advantage of the file naming possibilities in MacOS. David H. Bailey Javier Ruiz wrote: In a poor Mac you get: MyMusic.mus MyMusic asv.mus Mymusic copy.mus If everything is saved in the same folder. And since the extension is always MUS all files work with Finale directly. Javier Ruiz [And David, Mac OS X rocks, even the Linux guys agree with that.] If you have both turned on, you'll get: MyMusic.mus MyMusic.asv MyMusic.bak These may or may not be in the same folder as your MUS file (you can have a separate folder for both ASV and for BAK files, configurable in Program Options under FOLDERS, at least, it used to be there). The backup files are for recovery when something goes wrong. Otherwise, you can ignore them. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Speed entry on a notebook
I wrote: Turning to your point about not being able to enter notes in Speedy entry, a MIDI controller (it need not necessarily be a keyboard, thought this may be most convenient), while useful in simple entry in 2k7, is _required_ to be able to access most of the features of speedy entry and hyperscribe, including the entry of notes and chords. prompting Johannes Gebuaer to respond: Unless this is something specific to FinWin it is simply not true. Although Speedy entry without a MIDI device is not exactly very efficient, it is certainly possible to enter notes and chords. It is not specific to FInWin; and I goofed again. I should have thought more about the answer before I wrote it since Johannes' comment reminds me that I do not always use the midi keyboard when I use speedy entry to correct errors I find. These procedures, can be used to enter notes in speedy without a MIDI controller. The general procedure is 1) fill the measure with rests representing the rhythmic pattern of the music you wish to enter, using numeric keys, either on the keypad, or on the top row of the regular keyboard; 2) place the speedy entry cursor upon each rest in succession, and use the up / down arrows to specify the pitch(es) to be assigned where each rest holds the place, and press the enter key. Repeat the above steps for each layer. On my [desktop] system, I am able to enter notes in Speedy using the above method, without regard to whether Use MIDI device for input is checked or not. However, if using the numbers on the top row, no rest is generated by pressing a number key if the capslock key is active. I will observe, that with regards to capslock, that I recall on at least two of the laptops I owned, that when the Fn key was used to activate the embedded numeric keypad, that this over-rode the function of the capslock key. I can't verify this; the laptops on which I think this behavior was as described have both failed, the most recent one over the summer. I have not yet used my laptop much with Finale, and cannot say for sure whether this is the behavior or not. This may be dependent upon the internal design of the laptop, and I do not mean to suggest that although my laptops acted this way, that any others do. ns ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] BAK.files
Noel Stoutenburg wrote: A-NO-NE Music wrote: David W. Fenton / 2006/10/01 / 12:47 PM wrote: Where, exactly, does Windows require a floppy disk? When you need to do emergency boot. This was true in WIN 98 SE, but is not true in WIN XP. Emergency boot in WIN XP is from CD or DVD. It didn't even have to be true in Win98 -- it was possible to create a bootable CD, and whether a computer can boot from CD or DVD or has to boot from a floppy or hard drive is purely a function of the computer's CMOS setup, nothing to do with windows. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] BAK.files
David W. Fenton wrote: [snip] OK, if you're so smart, explain to me, if it's a fully open non- proprietary standard, it's not installed by default on any PCs except Apple and Sony? Why is it that the only hardware manufacturers who routinely provide firewire ports are the ones who created the standard? My Toshiba laptop (and most laptops I looked at 18 months ago when I bought mine) had firewire connectors. Most video cameras come with firewire connectors. I'm not saying this is a good thing -- I think it's terrible, since it's a very good technology. But my surmise is the reason it's not universal (like the vastly inferior and unreliably USB) is that it was perceived as (or was) being controlled by two companies for their own interests. Maybe my explanation is wrong. Maybe you can provide a better explanation of why such an obviously superior technology (this I won't dispute) is not universally supported? Microsoft hasn't put its weight behind firewire technology, preferring to support its own USB standard. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Moving pages
Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: Hi all, FinWin 2006. I am updating about 50 earlier chamber scores, and most of them had performance notes and examples on a final page after the music. I would like to move those notes to the obverse of the title page. Is there a way of moving/sorting pages without having to move, readjust, and replace all the text blocks, graphics, symbols, etc., one by one? I haven't found any such capability. When I drag-enclose the handles for multiple text blocks, none of the layout possibilities are active. This is a serious oversight on Finale's part, in my opinion. I can understand some of the options not being available, but if for instance a user wishes to move them all to a different page (as Dennis is wishing to do) that should be an active option with multiple text blocks selected, as should left-right-center alignment options. Same for text size, style, etc. Perhaps in Finale2008, text block handling will be improved. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] BAK etc.
dhbailey wrote: In Windows, for many years now, the same has been possible but for some reason the good programmers at Finale haven't seen fit to make the two versions identical in that regard. There is nothing inherent in windows that forces MyMusic.mus, MyMusic.bak, MyMusic.asv -- they could all be MyMusic.mus, MyMusic bak.mus (or MyMusic copy.mus), and MyMusic asv.mus -- that they aren't isn't the fault of Microsoft or of the windows operating system, but rather it's the fault of the programmers at MM who haven't seen fit to take advantage of the filename possibilities in Windows, Wait a minute. Let's assume a particular folder has three files: MyMusic.mus, MyMusic.bak, and MyMusic.asv. Yes, it is possible under currently supported versions of Windows to have a file which appears in some filesystems as MyMusic bak.mus However, this is an alias name. If you consult the actual directory entry of the file, or look at properties of the file, and examine the dos name, you will see that the file name there is shown as MyMusi~1.mus If next an ~.asv file is created of the same file, it may have an alias name of MyMusic asv.mus but it will have an actual name of MyMusi~2.mus. I do remember (perhaps wrongly) that as you get more files with the same first characters, you will eventually get MyMus~10.mus. I can't say whether you continuing would generate MyMu~100; the discovery of the above caused me to take positive control of backups. When I begin a new project, I open a new folder with the composition name. The template (if any) for that work has the name 0 (padded to the left to the with as many as I think there may be editing sessions. The work performed in the first editing session is saved as 1 (again padded to the left with zeros, to maintain directory order). The second editing session begins by opening file 1, and immediately resaving it as file 2, where in all of that work is saved. Also, if at any point I decide that I may want to return to a specific point in the workflow, I will do a file save. For example, suppose I am working on a multi-movement work, and have not yet decided whether I want to do each movement as a separate file. In this case, even though it might be in the middle of an editing session, I will save the work, and begin on a new copy, renamed at the beginning to a new number. While ~.asv files will overwrite during each editing session using this method, ~.bak files will not. ns ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] BAK.files
A-NO-NE Music wrote: David W. Fenton / 2006/10/01 / 02:04 PM wrote: Seems to me you're just behind the times, which is pretty typical of those who criticize both Windows and Mac. You are not helping, David. None of my lowly PCs, Dell Dimension P-III 1GHz, homemade P-II, and two ThinkPads boots off USB. ThinkPads even doesn't boots off CD. Floppy is the only way. We have gone through this twice in the past. Even if it booted off Windows installer CD, you can't do anything, like launch PQDI to restore image. All are needed to be done with Floppy boot. It is a bit surprising to hear from you that I have to buy a new PC :-) Where a computer can boot from is a function of the CMOS setup, NOT the operating system. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Speed entry on a notebook
On 02.10.2006 Noel Stoutenburg wrote: 1) fill the measure with rests representing the rhythmic pattern of the music you wish to enter, using numeric keys, either on the keypad, or on the top row of the regular keyboard; 2) place the speedy entry cursor upon each rest in succession, and use the up / down arrows to specify the pitch(es) to be assigned where each rest holds the place, and press the enter key. Noel, this is completely unnecessary. You can enter notes easily in Speedy by placing the entry cursor on the correct pitch and typing the number key. There is no need to enter any rests first. Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Speed entry on a notebook
Will Denayer wrote: Hello Dennis, Chuck, David, Noel and others, Thank you for all the good advice. I said earlier that I unable to use the speed entry tool. Someone told me to put Midi off, as otherwise I would only be able to enter rests. Actually, I couldn't enter anything (notes nor rests). Following this advice, I put Midi off and now I can at least enter rests using the numbers which are above my keyboard (for example, 4 is a quarter rest, 5 is a half rest ...), so we are making steady progress. However, I can still not enter any notes. Perhaps it is not possible to use speed entry on a notebook, although I think that I read somewhere a while ago that there has to be a function somewhere in Windows that lets you work on a regular notepad keyboard as if it were a keyboard for a desktop; I think - but am not sure - that n m , correspond to 1, 2 3 and u i o to 8 9 0 if this function is turned on. I might be wrong about this though. Does anyone know about this? Why can I not enter notes? Best regards, Will I enter notes on my notebook all the time -- use the top line numbers for the note/rest values, use the cursor arrows to move the cursor up/down, left/right, and it works like a charm. In the Speedy Entry menu, be sure Use Midi Device For Input is UNchecked. Do NOT try to use the embedded numeric keypad -- use the top-row keys. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] BAK.files
Javier Ruiz wrote: Only 5% of Mac's out there? We should start wearing any kind of bracelet to recognize ourselves. We are s few. [We'll revise the figures after Windows Vista makes 70% of the installed PC's unusable] [snip] That assumes that at least 70% of the installed PCs actually upgrade to Vista, something which isn't very likely to happen. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Moving pages
Robert Patterson wrote: Page Title Mover is part of the v3 upgrade of Patterson Plugins. You can try it out for free without affecting your v2 installation.0 From a Finale perspective, do you have Finale objects on pages that are neither text titles nor graphics placements? I am not aware that any other types of page-attached objects exist. Finale provides no page shuffling capability: it makes no sense in terms of the data structures. Inserting blank pages at the beginning is the one exception (apparently implemented by brute force), which in this case seems to be working against you. Instead you must move the page-attached objects to the desired page. Page Title Mover moves page titles en masse. Graphics must be moved individually. Robert, your terminology is confusing me (not hard to do these days!) What exactly do you mean by text title? Do you mean ANY text block which is entered in page view? Or are you speaking only of text blocks where the Title insert is used? For instance, I often place explanatory text in blocks on the page rather than in scroll view, when necessary, but I certainly wouldn't call these text titles. Are these affected by your plug-in? -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Speed entry on a notebook
Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: At 07:40 PM 10/1/06 -0500, Noel Stoutenburg wrote: Turning to your point about not being able to enter notes in Speedy entry, a MIDI controller (it need not necessarily be a keyboard, thought this may be most convenient), while useful in simple entry in 2k7, is _required_ to be able to access most of the features of speedy entry and hyperscribe, including the entry of notes and chords. In my opinion, the use of a MIDI input device, and, on a laptop, a standalone numeric keypad just cannot be emphasized too strongly. Yes one can use Finale without it; but the productivity gains of each make each one well worthwhile. There's no hard rule. I have never used a Midi keyboard (I don't play keyboard) nor Hyperscribe, and exclusively use Speedy entry. Perhaps being a touch-typist and having used Finale for over 13 years accounts for my speed, but in terms of productivity, I'm doggone fast. :) But I certainly couldn't work without a numeric keyboard add-on with the laptop. Dennis I'm with Dennis on this with one exception -- I never use the numeric keypad keys except for + and - keys. I exclusively use the top-row number keys with my left hand to select the note values and use the cursor arrow keys with my right hand to place the cursor where I want. So when I work on my notebook the only change I have to make is to use the - and + keys on the top-row keys. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] differences in playback-MIDI vs. AU/VST
Randolph Peters wrote: [snip] I'm not trying to argue for the sake of argument (as we sometimes get on this list). I really want to find out what works and sounds better. So, let's keep an open mind and run these programs through a variety of tests. We may have to rethink our assumptions after all! It sounds as if you've found what sounds better and what works better, on your computer. Benchmarks mean nothing except to marketing types. And even tests run on one computer mean nothing concerning what will happen on YOUR computer. You have heard a difference, you know which one sounds better to your ears. Let everybody else hide behind benchmarks, you'll end up with the musical product that you feel sounds best. And besides, you'll save lots of time simply by using what works for you instead of chasing the chimera of trying to achieve what the benchmarks say you ought to be able to achieve. ;-) -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Speed entry on a notebook
Johannes Gebauer wrote: On 02.10.2006 Noel Stoutenburg wrote: Turning to your point about not being able to enter notes in Speedy entry, a MIDI controller (it need not necessarily be a keyboard, thought this may be most convenient), while useful in simple entry in 2k7, is _required_ to be able to access most of the features of speedy entry and hyperscribe, including the entry of notes and chords. Unless this is something specific to FinWin it is simply not true. Although Speedy entry without a MIDI device is not exactly very efficient, it is certainly possible to enter notes and chords. If only rests appear then the MIDI input has to be switched off in the Speedy menu, ie Use MIDI device for input has to be unchecked in the Speedy menu. Make sure capslock is off. However, if you intend on entering music permanently without a MIDI device Simple may well turn out to be more efficient. You should select the laptop keyboard layout in the simple menu Simple Entry Options- Edit Keyboard shortcuts. On the long run, if you want to enter music speedily, consider buying a MIDI or USB keyboard, it will make your life much easier. As Noel suggested, I would also buy a separate number keypad. Johannes While I have great respect for Johannes and his Finale knowledge, I simply have to disagree with him on this point. What he says is true for him, but not necessarily true for everybody. I can enter music far more efficiently and accurately using Speedy Entry and my computer and NOT using a midi keyboard, than I ever can using my midi keyboard. His statements are only true for people who practice to make it work or who have excellent keyboard chops. I don't. I've been using speedy entry and just the computer keyboard since I started using Finale and I can enter the music extremely quickly this way. Simple entry is definitely NOT easier/faster for me. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Speed entry on a notebook
Johannes Gebauer wrote: Noel, this is completely unnecessary. The older I get, the harder it is to meet my goal of learning something new each day. I never knew that one can enter notes easily in Speedy by placing the entry cursor on the correct pitch and typing the number key. There is no need to enter any rests first. I bought Finale and my MIDI keyboard at the same time (in fact on the same transaction from the same vendor) , and I've never seriously tried to use one without the other, beyond some work to find out how speedy worked. ns ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Speed entry on a notebook
) fill the measure with rests representing the rhythmic pattern of the music you wish to enter, using numeric keys, either on the keypad, or on the top row of the regular keyboard; 2) place the speedy entry cursor upon each rest in succession, and use the up / down arrows to specify the pitch(es) to be assigned where each rest holds the place, and press the enter key. NOT NECESSARY. I just entered 75+ or so pages with my notebook computer using speedy and no MIDI kbd. There is NO need to pre-enter rests. Just slide the entry cursor up or down to the desired note and hit the REGULAR NUMBER for the duration. NO NEED for separate numeric keypad. NO NEED for fn-alt-ctrl-shift ANYTHING. And I can do it speedily. Perhaps not as quickly as other techniques, but fast enough to suit me, and I can do it in the car if someone else is driving. ;-) ) fill the measure with rests representing the rhythmic pattern of the music you wish to enter, using numeric keys, either on the keypad, or on the top row of the regular keyboard; 2) place the speedy entry cursor upon each rest in succession, and use the up / down arrows to specify the pitch(es) to be assigned where each rest holds the place, and press the enter key. NOT NECESSARY. I just entered 75+ or so pages with my notebook computer using speedy and no MIDI kbd. There is NO need to pre-enter rests. Just slide the entry cursor up or down to the desired note and hit the REGULAR NUMBER for the duration. NO NEED for separate numeric keypad. NO NEED for fn-alt-ctrl-shift ANYTHING. And I can do it speedily. Perhaps not as quickly as other techniques, but fast enough to suit me, and I can do it in the car if someone else is driving. ;-) ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Speed entry on a notebook
And BTW: f and s work for flat and sharp in Speedy w/out MIDI kbd. (NOT capital F or capital S, though) They even work retroactively. That is, if you have the speedy frame set to advance to the next measure, Finale is smart enough to put the flat or sharp on the last note of the previous measure...just don't enter any notes in the new measure before hitting f or s. Same for a tie...works retroactively. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Williams, Jim Sent: Mon 02-Oct-06 6:49 To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: RE: [Finale] Speed entry on a notebook ) fill the measure with rests representing the rhythmic pattern of the music you wish to enter, using numeric keys, either on the keypad, or on the top row of the regular keyboard; 2) place the speedy entry cursor upon each rest in succession, and use the up / down arrows to specify the pitch(es) to be assigned where each rest holds the place, and press the enter key. NOT NECESSARY. I just entered 75+ or so pages with my notebook computer using speedy and no MIDI kbd. There is NO need to pre-enter rests. Just slide the entry cursor up or down to the desired note and hit the REGULAR NUMBER for the duration. NO NEED for separate numeric keypad. NO NEED for fn-alt-ctrl-shift ANYTHING. And I can do it speedily. Perhaps not as quickly as other techniques, but fast enough to suit me, and I can do it in the car if someone else is driving. ;-) And BTW: f and s work for flat and sharp in Speedy w/out MIDI kbd. (NOT capital F or capital S, though) They even work retroactively. That is, if you have the speedy frame set to advance to the next measure, Finale is smart enough to put the flat or sharp on the last note of the previous measure...just don't enter any notes in the new measure before hitting f or s. Same for a tie...works retroactively. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Williams, Jim Sent: Mon 02-Oct-06 6:49 To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: RE: [Finale] Speed entry on a notebook ) fill the measure with rests representing the rhythmic pattern of the music you wish to enter, using numeric keys, either on the keypad, or on the top row of the regular keyboard; 2) place the speedy entry cursor upon each rest in succession, and use the up / down arrows to specify the pitch(es) to be assigned where each rest holds the place, and press the enter key. NOT NECESSARY. I just entered 75+ or so pages with my notebook computer using speedy and no MIDI kbd. There is NO need to pre-enter rests. Just slide the entry cursor up or down to the desired note and hit the REGULAR NUMBER for the duration. NO NEED for separate numeric keypad. NO NEED for fn-alt-ctrl-shift ANYTHING. And I can do it speedily. Perhaps not as quickly as other techniques, but fast enough to suit me, and I can do it in the car if someone else is driving. ;-) ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Speed entry on a notebook
Friends, where I wrote: I've never seriously tried to use one without the other, beyond some work to find out how speedy worked. I meant to write I've never seriously tried to use one without the other, beyond some work to find out how _simple entry_ worked. ns ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Confirmation sought: Text block bug
Friends: I am seeking confirmation of a possible text block bug before sending a bug report to MakeMusic!. To reproduce: 1) Open default score; 2) select text tool; 3) without selecting a specific text block in the score, select edit text from the drop down menu accessed from text on menu bar; 4) in Edit Text dialog box, use the up selection arrow in the lower right hand corner to browse all text blocks, beginning with text block 1, through the highest numbered block; 5) use the down selection arrow to browse all text blocks down from the highest to the lowest. What is the lowest block you can edit without exiting the dialog box? On my system (WINfin 2k6, 2k7) after the above five steps I cannot access text block 1, unless I close the dialog, and open it again (i.e. steps 1-3 above). If I follow the above five steps in 2k or 2k3, I _can_ access text block 1 after step 5. I'm interested in knowing what the behavior is on Win 2k4 and 2k5, and on all MAC versions. ns ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Speed entry on a notebook
On 02.10.2006 dhbailey wrote: His statements are only true for people who practice to make it work or who have excellent keyboard chops. I don't. Actually, I am a very poor keyboardist. I respect your decision to not use a MIDI keyboard, however, on the long run I do believe the overall note entry speed without a keyboard can never match the speed with a keyboard, at least after, and I agree on this, some practice, but regardless of any keyboard skills. All you need to do is press one key at the time, with no rhythm or timeframe. That, imho, has nothing to do with keyboard skills. Anyone can learn to do this, and just from a purely physical point of view it can be faster than Speedy with cursor keys can ever be. However, things are dramatically different if you primarily work with non-tonal music, complicated modern/avantgarde keyboard writing (Speedy is never good at this) or similar very idiomatic styles. I regularly revert to Speedy or Simple without a keyboard to do this. Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] FIN 2k8 wish list
Friends: David Bailey wrote, and I snipped Perhaps in Finale2008, text block handling will be improved. and rearranged When I drag-enclose the handles for multiple text blocks, none of the layout possibilities are active. This is a serious oversight on Finale's part, in my opinion. I can understand some of the options not being available, but if for instance a user wishes to move them all to a different page (as Dennis is wishing to do) that should be an active option with multiple text blocks selected, as should left-right-center alignment options. Same for text size, style, etc. In addition to the capabilities for text block handling that David suggests, I have a couple other ideas I'd like to see implemented: 1) the ability to open the text block attributes dialog from the text block editing dialog; 2) the ability to open a specific text block item dialog for editing, from the text block attributes dialog box; 3) the ability to edit a specific text block item without selecting it in the score; 4) for a text block which has location values outside the range of the page, an alias handle just outside the edge of the page, by which the block can be selected; 5) the ability to attach a smart shape to a text block (or graphic). Examples of utility of the some of the above: Item 1 above would be useful if one were editing a movement title, and wanted to make certain that the line was offset from the page edge, instead of from the margin. The ability to open the text block attributes would avoid the need to back out to the document, and select the attributes from the drop down menu, or by right-clicking (in windows) the handle of the text block to open the menu. This would also allow one to access the attributes of a block which has been shifted to a point that is unreachable for editing, as when one intends to set a block .250 (one fourth) of an inch from the right margin, and inadvertantly omits the decimal point, so that the block is defined to be 250 inches from the right margin. Item 2 is useful when one has adjusted the attributes (say from center alignment verically, to alignment from the bottom), and wants to make sure it is not advisable to add a Item 5 would permit the definition of a smart line to use as a rule on a title page. ns ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Moving pages
dhbailey wrote: Do you mean ANY text block which is entered in page view? Yes. In prior versions of Finale the page-text tool was called the Title tool. It is difficult for me to keep up with changes in terminology in the UI. Old habits die hard. -- Robert Patterson http://RobertGPatterson.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Speed entry on a notebook
At 06:11 AM 10/2/06 -0400, dhbailey wrote: In the Speedy Entry menu, be sure Use Midi Device For Input is UNchecked. Do NOT try to use the embedded numeric keypad -- use the top-row keys. In terms of touch-typing, this is slower because of the reach and the two hands having to be overtop each other. I still disagree with Johannes on speed. The excellent organization of the keyboard in Speedy entry seems to be overlooked. The entire keyboard usage is shifted right from normal touch typing, so that without touching anything but the keys with two hands, music can be entered quickly in Speedy without ever touching the mouse. (Some keyboards make this less convenient, especially laptops with the arrows placed at the top rather the bottom, but it's a relatively small adjustment if you use the machine often.) My machines are set up with rapid autorepeat and a very brief pause before autorepeat kicks in, so moving through measures and up and down and across staves is faster than grabbing for a mouse. When David Bailey says he uses F and S for flat and sharp, that means his had would have to move back left, obviating the Speedy key clusters -- none of whose typical actions require moving left of the letter O. Considering how awkward so much of the Finale UI can be, this keyboard design was brilliant. Since I don't use Simple, I'm not sure if Simple is a faster keyboard-only entry method. But anything that makes me reach for the mouse or off-keyboard device, especially a giant Midi keyboard (which I have but never use), slows me down. I'm not saying Speedy is preferable for anybody but me, but I know the Finale keyboard layout so well that I don't even have to look at the screen as I work (particularly with the added confirmation of pitches sounding when I enter notes). Dennis -- Please participate in my latest project: http://maltedmedia.com/waam/ My blog: http://maltedmedia.com/bathory/waam-blog.html ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Violin notation
Thanks guys! Speed entry is going very well - my Use Midi device for input was not off (I knew it had to be off, but I unchecked Midi thru, which is something else).It works like cake now (if this is an English _expression_). How can I write harmonics for violin? How can I write a quarter E for a bow and two eight G's which have to be plucked at the same time for a violin? Thank you all, you really help me. Sorry for my poor English, but I'm a Belgian (living in Ireland). Best regards, Will All New Yahoo! Mail Tired of [EMAIL PROTECTED]@! come-ons? Let our SpamGuard protect you.___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Confirmation sought: Text block bug
Confirmed. Can't go back to #1, only #2. FinWin 2007, W2000, SP4 Noel Stoutenburg wrote: Friends: I am seeking confirmation of a possible text block bug before sending a bug report to MakeMusic!. To reproduce: 1) Open default score; 2) select text tool; 3) without selecting a specific text block in the score, select edit text from the drop down menu accessed from text on menu bar; 4) in Edit Text dialog box, use the up selection arrow in the lower right hand corner to browse all text blocks, beginning with text block 1, through the highest numbered block; 5) use the down selection arrow to browse all text blocks down from the highest to the lowest. What is the lowest block you can edit without exiting the dialog box? On my system (WINfin 2k6, 2k7) after the above five steps I cannot access text block 1, unless I close the dialog, and open it again (i.e. steps 1-3 above). If I follow the above five steps in 2k or 2k3, I _can_ access text block 1 after step 5. I'm interested in knowing what the behavior is on Win 2k4 and 2k5, and on all MAC versions. ns ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Speed entry on a notebook
Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: At 06:11 AM 10/2/06 -0400, dhbailey wrote: In the Speedy Entry menu, be sure Use Midi Device For Input is UNchecked. Do NOT try to use the embedded numeric keypad -- use the top-row keys. In terms of touch-typing, this is slower because of the reach and the two hands having to be overtop each other. Say what? My left hand is on the top row number keys and my right hand is on the cursor arrows, not overtop of each other. [snip] -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Violin notation
Title: Message Harmonics: Special Tools - Note Shape tool. In Maestro, there's a diamond notehead symbol as character 79, but you may need to make a Stem Connection setting for it to connect to the stem properly. LH Pizz - enter the E in layer 1, and the Gs in layer 2 (E - stems up, G - stems down), and add a + symbol to each G (there's one in the standard Articulations pallette which you may want to use) -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Will DenayerSent: 02 October 2006 14:20To: finale@shsu.eduSubject: [Finale] Violin notation Thanks guys! Speed entry is going very well - my Use Midi device for input was not off (I knew it had to be off, but I unchecked Midi thru, which is something else).It works like cake now (if this is an English _expression_). How can I write harmonics for violin? How can I write a quarter E for a bow and two eight G's which have to be plucked at the same time for a violin? Thank you all, you really help me. Sorry for my poor English, but I'm a Belgian (living in Ireland). Best regards, Will All New Yahoo! Mail Tired of [EMAIL PROTECTED]@! come-ons? Let our SpamGuard protect you. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Linked Parts
Dear David, I could not get Special Tools/Beam Adjustment to access any part that had been extracted from a multi-part staff, and beam adjustments are needed. You cannot go back to the score to do the editing, or to a part with both voices, because the beam situation changes as the number of notes on the stem changes from two to one. This stops me dead in working in this system with multi-part staves. I also described (or tried to) another uncontrollable situation. On one staff line in a part, a 31 m. MM rest and a one m. pickup (with entries) at the end of the line. Finale will make the 31 m. rest and the one m. spread equally on the line, making the single measure look way too wide. So you drag the bar line and fix it. Fine, if you print right away, but go to another part and return to this one, and take a look. The spacing has sprung back to the default. I understand this to be a result of the fact that you are really messing up the measure proportions in the score, so the manual adjustment cannot be made to hold, or things would be wildly out of proportion in the score. I can't wrap my brain around a way to control this correctly, as long as you are working in linked parts. Maybe I'm overlooking something, but this is forcing me back to extracted parts. (I don't trust myself to see, or want to have to look for, these spacing things and adjust them every time I open a part to print it. If the layout doesn't hold, I can't use the system.) In terms of overall time spent on Finale, it is probably more efficient for me to duplicate edits in parts and scores, rather than work this way. This is a disappointment to me, since I've been working unrelentingly to learn this for the last two months and feel that I have achieved pretty good control. Careful what you ask for, you might get it! Well, maybe it's a good idea to have some parts linked and only extract those that have these problems. I haven't wrapped my brain around that one yet. Chuck On Oct 2, 2006, at 2:31 AM, dhbailey wrote: My experience with the linked score/parts shows me that for single- part-staves it is a very good thing and I am hopeful it will only get better. My experience with multiple-part-staves shows me that as soon as Finale filters which notes appear on the single-staff parts that it is possible to end up with, Finale needs to have all musical editing done on either the original score only or on another linked part which contains the original multiple-part-staff. For example, it will be possible to have a score which has 2 flute parts on a single staff, and in the create parts dialogue, to create 3 linked parts: 1) flute 1-2 (contains all the music in the original staff); 2) flute 1 (with the voicing options set appropriately); 3) flute 2 (with the voicing options set appropriately). All the page layout issues can be accomplished on the second and third parts as I just described them, but all the music entry issues (correcting wrong notes, adding or deleting notes, etc) has to be accomplished on the first part I just described. And Chuck found out just as I had done, that extracting the second and third parts as I describe them above allows the editing work to move ahead very nicely. But editing the music in the first part isn't too difficult, and all those edited changes will show up on the second and third parts (before they are extracted, of course). It's all a brave new world that I see a lot of great potential in. But as with so much of Finale (and indeed with all applications I've ever used), it forces the user to learn to think in the program's ideal workflow. We're all so new to it that it's hard to discover just what that work-flow is. David H. Bailey Chuck Israels wrote: Thank you Dennis, I will try this. As I was working yesterday, I finally got frustrated enough to stop the process and extract the parts. The extracted parts retained the work that had been done with the linked parts and inherited the voicing characteristics that had been set up in the parts management dialog. In balance - this element of the new system seems to be well worked out and is more than worth learning to use. But as soon as the parts were extracted and I went back to working in individual documents, things began to go smoothly and quickly. I don't know if this is because the linked parts system is still in its infancy, or if its characteristics simply function in ways that slow down my work flow, but I have spent the past two months stubbornly trying to make it work only to be mightily relieved the moment I finally abandoned it. YMMV. I am reminded to be careful what I wish for, I might get it! I so much want this to work, but I'm beginning to be convinced that it is counterproductive for my work style, and that the time required to open and edit a few documents to make
Re: [Finale] Linked Parts
On 02 Oct 2006, at 10:44 AM, Chuck Israels wrote: I could not get Special Tools/Beam Adjustment to access any part that had been extracted from a multi-part staff, and beam adjustments are needed. You cannot go back to the score to do the editing, or to a part with both voices, because the beam situation changes as the number of notes on the stem changes from two to one. You should be able to get Patterson Beams to work on a part by first opening the plugin window, then switching to part view, then applying the plugin. I also described (or tried to) another uncontrollable situation. On one staff line in a part, a 31 m. MM rest and a one m. pickup (with entries) at the end of the line. Finale will make the 31 m. rest and the one m. spread equally on the line, making the single measure look way too wide. So you drag the bar line and fix it. Fine, if you print right away, but go to another part and return to this one, and take a look. The spacing has sprung back to the default. I u Have you tried editing the multimeasure rest width with the Measure Tool (control-click the measure, select Edit Multimeasure Rest, and change the width)? Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://secretsociety.typepad.com Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Linked Parts
On 02.10.2006 Darcy James Argue wrote: I also described (or tried to) another uncontrollable situation. On one staff line in a part, a 31 m. MM rest and a one m. pickup (with entries) at the end of the line. Finale will make the 31 m. rest and the one m. spread equally on the line, making the single measure look way too wide. So you drag the bar line and fix it. Fine, if you print right away, but go to another part and return to this one, and take a look. The spacing has sprung back to the default. I u Have you tried editing the multimeasure rest width with the Measure Tool (control-click the measure, select Edit Multimeasure Rest, and change the width)? I believe this problem would not actually go away by editing the width, either. The problem lies with the automatic update mm rests option, which is found in the document options-Multimeasure rests, which for this very reason should be switched off as soon as work on the parts starts. I have deactivated this option as a default after having spent hours trying to work out why the mm rests always reverted to the defaults after I had edited them. Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Violin notation
At 2:20 PM +0100 10/2/06, Will Denayer wrote: How can I write harmonics for violin? It depends. There are two kinds of harmonics, natural harmonics which are played by touching one of the nodes on an open string, and artificial harmonics for which one finger is held down and the string is touched by another finger a 4th or 5th higher. (Or other intervals on occasion.) We could tell you more if you could be more specific. The notation is different. How can I write a quarter E for a bow and two eight G's which have to be plucked at the same time for a violin? Again, it depends on which E and which G you are talking about. Left hand pizzicato works best on open strings, so it would have to be the open G string. If you aren't a violinist, it will be difficult for you to write in this way, just as it is difficult to write properly for harp or to specify organ registration unless you know the instrument. You would have to mark the pizz notes, but it's been so long since I've seen it I can't remember what the sign is. It might be a plus or an x. Thank you all, you really help me. Sorry for my poor English, but I'm a Belgian (living in Ireland). Best regards, Will You're doing better than I would in French or Gaelic!!! Completely understandable. John -- John Susie Howell Virginia Tech Department of Music Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Speedy jumping around
Last night I finally installed Finale 2007 and immediately I'm having problems. Measures 1-122 were entered with Finale 2006 (c, I think), measures 123 and following were entered with Finale 2007. I'm not able to advance throught the music using the [ and ] keys. Finale just skips entire systems! It jumps from the last measure of the first system of a page to the first measure of the first system of the next page! Can anyone confirm, or even better, explain this behaviour? Steps to take: * go to http://home.wanadoo.nl/btouburg/ * Download and open this file: Dichtungen2007.mus (don't worry about missing fonts) * Go to bookmark entr'acte * With Speedy, click in the first measure of the Entr'acte * Try to advance to the end using the ] key. Does Speedy behave normally or do you encounter the same weird behaviour? http://home.wanadoo.nl/btouburg/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Speedy jumping around
Earlier I wrote: Last night I finally installed Finale 2007 and immediately I'm having problems. Measures 1-122 were entered with Finale 2006 (c, I think), measures 123 and following were entered with Finale 2007. I'm not able to advance throught the music using the [ and ] keys. Finale just skips entire systems! It jumps from the last measure of the first system of a page to the first measure of the first system of the next page! Can anyone confirm, or even better, explain this behaviour? Now I see what's causing the trouble: the second system of a page (from page 12 on) is repeated as first system on the next page. Ctrl-U or Shft-Ctr-U doesn't fix this. Help? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Jazz Piano Instruction Book?
Thanks for the recommendations! - Jacki ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] OT: QuickTime advice needed
Hi all, I'm having a strange PC vs. Mac issue with a QuickTime movie file. Basically, the movie will play fine on a Mac but gives error 2048 on a PC (with latest QuickTime installed). The strange part is that if I copy the file from the DVD on which it lives to my PC, and then put it on my flash drive and take it to a Mac, the Mac won't play it either -- as though simply passing through my PC has done something to the file. And the problem isn't the flash drive, because if I put the DVD in a Mac and use the Mac to copy the file to my flash drive, the Mac will still play it fine. My first thought is that this is some data fork/resource fork Mac file format thing, except that (a) I haven't seen those in a long time, and (b) my brother, who is a Mac person, assures me that that shouldn't be happening in OS X. Any offlist suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks, Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: QuickTime advice needed
At 10/2/2006 12:53 PM, Aaron Sherber wrote: I'm having a strange PC vs. Mac issue with a QuickTime movie file. Basically, the movie will play fine on a Mac but gives error 2048 on a PC (with latest QuickTime installed). The strange part is that if I copy the file from the DVD on which it lives to my PC, and then put it on my flash drive and take it to a Mac, the Mac won't play it either -- as though simply passing through my PC has done something to the file. Do you have anti-virus monitoring file creation? Perhaps turning that off might be the answer. But that is a guess. Phil Daley AutoDesk http://www.conknet.com/~p_daley ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] BAK.files
dhbailey / 2006/10/02 / 06:00 AM wrote: It didn't even have to be true in Win98 -- it was possible to create a bootable CD, and whether a computer can boot from CD or DVD or has to boot from a floppy or hard drive is purely a function of the computer's CMOS setup, nothing to do with windows. Unless I am remembering things totally wrong, I don't recall OS/2 had boot location (which bus and where) limitation like DOS/Win has. -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Speed entry on a notebook
dhbailey / 2006/10/02 / 06:38 AM wrote: Simple entry is definitely NOT easier/faster for me. I am the same way. What Simple bugs me is that you have to place your mouse pointer to the exact pitch, which isn't easy with high res monitor. Speedy gives me no such hassle :-) -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Speedy jumping around
On 02.10.2006 Barbara Touburg wrote: Now I see what's causing the trouble: the second system of a page (from page 12 on) is repeated as first system on the next page. Ctrl-U or Shft-Ctr-U doesn't fix this. Help? Does Control U update the layout? You will have to update the layout on the first page. Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Speed entry on a notebook
On 02.10.2006 A-NO-NE Music wrote: I am the same way. What Simple bugs me is that you have to place your mouse pointer to the exact pitch, which isn't easy with high res monitor. Speedy gives me no such hassle :-) Nor does Simple, type A and you will get an A. Simple has changed dramatically over the years, and although I seldomly use it, I have to admit that it can be quite fast and efficient, especially as one can enter articulations and expressions while entering the music. Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Speedy jumping around
Johannes Gebauer wrote: On 02.10.2006 Barbara Touburg wrote: Now I see what's causing the trouble: the second system of a page (from page 12 on) is repeated as first system on the next page. Ctrl-U or Shft-Ctr-U doesn't fix this. Help? Does Control U update the layout? You will have to update the layout on the first page. Johannes I've tried that already. It didn't help at all. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Speedy Entry
Hello All, Sorry for being tiresome, but I still have problems with speedy entry: 1) suppose I want to add other voices, how do I do this? Whatever I do, the thing stays in V1; 2) there is something I do not like in Speedy: if I have been typing, say, quarter notes and the last note was an F and then I press 3 because I want sixteen notes, the thing immediately produces a sixteenth F - am I doing something wrong, or is this just the way it is? Thanks and with best regards, Will Yahoo! Messenger NEW - crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Speedy jumping around
Johannes Gebauer wrote: On 02.10.2006 Barbara Touburg wrote: Now I see what's causing the trouble: the second system of a page (from page 12 on) is repeated as first system on the next page. Ctrl-U or Shft-Ctr-U doesn't fix this. Help? Does Control U update the layout? You will have to update the layout on the first page. Johannes It's getting worse! I decided to move on to the next song in this cycle. With TGTools I prepared some 10 systems for alto flute, soprano and alto. Instead of repeating the last system of the page on the next page, the last TWO systems are repeated! ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Speedy jumping around
At 07:34 PM 10/2/06 +0200, Barbara Touburg wrote: Johannes Gebauer wrote: On 02.10.2006 Barbara Touburg wrote: Now I see what's causing the trouble: the second system of a page (from page 12 on) is repeated as first system on the next page. Ctrl-U or Shft-Ctr-U doesn't fix this. Help? Does Control U update the layout? You will have to update the layout on the first page. Johannes I've tried that already. It didn't help at all. This was a problem many, many versions ago ... back in the Finale 3.x days. The only way to cure it back then was update layout from page 1, close and re-open the file, do a data check, update layout again, save the file under a new name in ETF format, close and re-open it. You might try something similar, even though I believe ETF is not longer available. Dennis -- Please participate in my latest project: http://maltedmedia.com/waam/ My blog: http://maltedmedia.com/bathory/waam-blog.html ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] BAK.files
On 2 Oct 2006 at 0:16, A-NO-NE Music wrote: David W. Fenton / 2006/10/01 / 04:06 PM wrote: None of the machines you describe should need a boot floppy. Maybe you just don't know how to use the Windows installation disk and the command console. You are correct, David. I don't know how to launch CLI from Win2K installer disk. I just tried it, and it has no such option. The command console should be one of the repair options. The CD should boot by default to the re-install/repair/run command console prompt. And the command console is a command prompt that gives you full access to all the disk drives (if they haven't failed in hardware, of course). How do you launch CLI from Win2K installer disk? Command console from the prompt that's given you. It can run from the CD or it can be installed on the hard drive so you can get a boot menu without the CD to run the command console at boot instead of booting the GUI. And you are saying I can launch win32 apps from there as the same as you launch from Win2K? No, I never said that. And I can remove Win2K installer disk to access backup image from a DVD-R? That I don't know. If you install the command console on the hard drive, you can activate the boot menu with F8 during boot and then boot to the command prompt and then insert any CD or DVD that's readable by the command prompt environment (I have no idea if DVDs are supported by the command console). But if those require a Win32 app, then that isn't going to work. Oh, wait, to restore image to C:, I can launch application, PQDI on the C: drive. What is my alternative? On my Mac, I just boot off a backup drive which is bootable, and restore image in no time. What do you do on PC? All the imaging software I've ever used provides a non-GUI command prompt utility to restore images without needing to boot the GUI. I have been doing this with Floppy disks, including swapping floppy many, many times. Very time consuming. If there is one DVD solution, I'd jump on it. I don't have a DVD drive and doubt that there is, since DVD support is still provided in software and not in the base OS installation. Which is stupid, of course. -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] BAK.files
On 2 Oct 2006 at 13:01, A-NO-NE Music wrote: dhbailey / 2006/10/02 / 06:00 AM wrote: It didn't even have to be true in Win98 -- it was possible to create a bootable CD, and whether a computer can boot from CD or DVD or has to boot from a floppy or hard drive is purely a function of the computer's CMOS setup, nothing to do with windows. Unless I am remembering things totally wrong, I don't recall OS/2 had boot location (which bus and where) limitation like DOS/Win has. OS/2 installed a boot manager on your hard drive that took care of this. A client of mine had a Win95/DOS 6 system that used the OS/2 boot manager to give a choice of boot environment. Don't ask me why she thought she needed to do that, but she did, and somebody who was an OS/2 guru set it up for her. It was still the primary boot hard drive that was doing the booting -- there was no magic that allowed you to boot from any device just because you had OS/2. You had to have the boot manager configured to boot from the particular device. -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Speedy jumping around
When I had this problem the other day, after advice from the list I selected all (using the mass mover tool) and pressed cntrl U - it solved the probelm in my case. Cheers, Lawrence ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Speedy jumping around
On 2 Oct 2006 at 17:58, Barbara Touburg wrote: Last night I finally installed Finale 2007 and immediately I'm having problems. Measures 1-122 were entered with Finale 2006 (c, I think), measures 123 and following were entered with Finale 2007. I'm not able to advance throught the music using the [ and ] keys. Finale just skips entire systems! It jumps from the last measure of the first system of a page to the first measure of the first system of the next page! Can anyone confirm, or even better, explain this behaviour? Steps to take: * go to http://home.wanadoo.nl/btouburg/ * Download and open this file: Dichtungen2007.mus (don't worry about missing fonts) * Go to bookmark entr'acte * With Speedy, click in the first measure of the Entr'acte * Try to advance to the end using the ] key. Does Speedy behave normally or do you encounter the same weird behaviour? http://home.wanadoo.nl/btouburg/ I have a spanish keyboard so i can not confirm the exact behaviour you are talking about. The [ and ] keys don't work for me in speedy. But with shift + the arrow keys speedy works fine in your file. I'm on winfin by the way. I do not see the problem with repeated systems you mentioned in other posts. Data check, File maintenance showed no inconsistencies in your file. Regards Rafael Velasco ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Speedy Entry
Will Denayer wrote: Hello All, Sorry for being tiresome, but I still have problems with speedy entry: 1) suppose I want to add other voices, how do I do this? Whatever I do, the thing stays in V1; 2) there is something I do not like in Speedy: if I have been typing, say, quarter notes and the last note was an F and then I press 3 because I want sixteen notes, the thing immediately produces a sixteenth F - am I doing something wrong, or is this just the way it is? Thanks and with best regards, Will Finale has two ways of doing this: Layers and Voices. Layers (up to four are possible in a single staff, each with 2 possible voices) are for times when you want two completely independent parts on one staff, such as soprano and alto voices in a choral part, or two very distinct flute parts on a single staff in an orchestral score. Voices (only 2 are possible, for each layer on a staff) are for when you want occasional splits between two parts, but other wise either unison parts or parts with chords which share the same rhythm. To enter a new layer, simply click the appropriate number at the lower left of your screen. You should see a change in color for the notes you enter. To enter something into voice 2, simply hit the ' key (the apostrophe) and you'll see the V1 change to V2. You need to be in the exact rhythmic location where you want voice 2 to begin, because as soon as you move left or right, Finale will revert to V1. As for your Speedy problem, I've never seen that behavior, unless you are using Speedy Entry with a Midi Keyboard and have Caps-Lok ON. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Measure numbers in linked parts
On 2 Oct 2006 at 15:34, dc wrote: David W. Fenton écrit: There's no way to unlink positiong from the score? That doesn't make much sense to me. You can unlink in all parts from the score. What I meant - sorry if I wasn't clear - is that simply moving the numbers in the score without prior unlinking affects all the parts. OK, then. I still don't know if your answer ways that it is possible to set the measure number position in the score (which will set it in the parts), unlink it, and then change it so that it's different for the score only, and the parts retain the original setting (which was appropriate for parts). Still, it would be nice to position measure numbers in the dialog box separately for each part if needed. I agree, but if the above is possible, it doesn't sound like a terribly problematic situation. -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Speed entry on a notebook
On 2 Oct 2006 at 15:23, dc wrote: Dennis Bathory-Kitsz écrit: I'm not saying Speedy is preferable for anybody but me, but I know the Finale keyboard layout so well that I don't even have to look at the screen as I work (particularly with the added confirmation of pitches sounding when I enter notes). I agree with Dennis. I'm a keyboard player and a fast typist, and I own a MIDI keyboard purchased spefically for use in Finale. But Speedy entry with the numeric keypad is for me the fastest way of entering music (unless I can use Hyperscribe, which allows me to practice my C-clefs at the same time, and which is even faster). I look only at my source, and count on the sound feedback to spot wrong notes, and Finale's error beep for wrong rhythms. That being said, the entry of the music itself represents only a small portion of the work, timewise. I'm a fast touch typist, a keyboardist with an undergraduate degree in piano performance from a famous conservatory and a computer professional. I find it far, far easier to enter large amounts of music with a MIDI keyboard than from the computer keyboard. The shortcuts laid out on the keyboard for notes don't make any sense to me, so I have never learned them. Why bother when I can use the keyboard layout that is ingrained in my muscles from decades of playing the piano? The equation may be different for different people, but I don't see the utility in learning the insanely arbitrary keyboard shortcuts, unless one has no possibility of ever using a MIDI keyboard for input. And I long ago concluded that Hyperscribe was utterly useless. I have top-notch keyboard skills, but it takes way to much time to clean up the transcription errors that come from the limits of human perception that are much less precise than those of a computer. -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Speedy jumping around
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I had this problem the other day, after advice from the list I selected all (using the mass mover tool) and pressed cntrl U - it solved the probelm in my case. Cheers, Lawrence I can't believe this! I did what you suggested and all is well! I had done that a dozen times with no results, and suddenly it works! There must be some magic involved here. Thanks! Barbara ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] BAK.files
David W. Fenton / 2006/10/02 / 01:49 PM wrote: It was still the primary boot hard drive that was doing the booting -- there was no magic that allowed you to boot from any device just because you had OS/2. You had to have the boot manager configured to boot from the particular device. I don't really want to sound we are debating meaningless Mac vs Wintel, but Mac can boot off anywhere by just pressing Opt key on boot which lists all the possible boot volumes. That alone, crisis control on Mac is much easier and faster than PC without even talking about registry. I am just curious. When I go to location recording job including my own performance, I always carry 2.5 emergency drive. If and when my Powerbook flips due to HD trouble or something, I just attach 2.5 drive, boot it off, and finish recording. This has happened once, actually. If I have time before the show, I can even run Utility to repair the problem, or restore the internal volume itself from the emergency drive in time. On PC, how do you control crisis like this? -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Speedy jumping around
On 2 Oct 2006 at 19:38, Barbara Touburg wrote: Johannes Gebauer wrote: On 02.10.2006 Barbara Touburg wrote: Now I see what's causing the trouble: the second system of a page (from page 12 on) is repeated as first system on the next page. Ctrl-U or Shft-Ctr-U doesn't fix this. Help? Does Control U update the layout? You will have to update the layout on the first page. Johannes It's getting worse! I decided to move on to the next song in this cycle. With TGTools I prepared some 10 systems for alto flute, soprano and alto. Instead of repeating the last system of the page on the next page, the last TWO systems are repeated! I do not know why Ctrl-U does not work for you. I just reopened your file then pressed alt-v-c-f to fit the page, alt-v-m to see multiple pages (in page view obviously) went to page 13, then with page layout tool selected i could see that systems 43 and 44 were at the end of that page and also at the begining of the next one. Then pressed ctrl-u and every system is in his right place. Rafael Velasco. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Speed entry on a notebook
Johannes Gebauer / 2006/10/02 / 01:29 PM wrote: Nor does Simple, type A and you will get an A. Woa. Didn't know, didn't know. This thread was very beneficial to me :-) Thanks. -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Speed entry on a notebook
David W. Fenton wrote: On 2 Oct 2006 at 15:23, dc wrote: Dennis Bathory-Kitsz écrit: I'm not saying Speedy is preferable for anybody but me, but I know the Finale keyboard layout so well that I don't even have to look at the screen as I work (particularly with the added confirmation of pitches sounding when I enter notes). I agree with Dennis. I'm a keyboard player and a fast typist, and I own a MIDI keyboard purchased spefically for use in Finale. But Speedy entry with the numeric keypad is for me the fastest way of entering music (unless I can use Hyperscribe, which allows me to practice my C-clefs at the same time, and which is even faster). I look only at my source, and count on the sound feedback to spot wrong notes, and Finale's error beep for wrong rhythms. That being said, the entry of the music itself represents only a small portion of the work, timewise. I'm a fast touch typist, a keyboardist with an undergraduate degree in piano performance from a famous conservatory and a computer professional. I find it far, far easier to enter large amounts of music with a MIDI keyboard than from the computer keyboard. The shortcuts laid out on the keyboard for notes don't make any sense to me, so I have never learned them. Why bother when I can use the keyboard layout that is ingrained in my muscles from decades of playing the piano? The equation may be different for different people, but I don't see the utility in learning the insanely arbitrary keyboard shortcuts, unless one has no possibility of ever using a MIDI keyboard for input. And I long ago concluded that Hyperscribe was utterly useless. I have top-notch keyboard skills, but it takes way to much time to clean up the transcription errors that come from the limits of human perception that are much less precise than those of a computer. I agree that hyperscribe is utterly useless. One doesn't have to use the keyboard shortcuts for the pitches to use only the computer keyboard for speedy entry. Use the cursor keys to position the cursor and the number keys to place the proper value note. Extremely simple and I find it far easier than moving my left hand around on a midi keyboard, for which I am constantly having to take my eyes off the original manuscript or the monitor when the music has larger leaps. I'm sure if I practiced that I could get better at it, but this way I work the same way on my desktop computer which has a midi keyboard connected to it as when I'm working on my notebook without a midi keyboard. And I don't use those silly shortcuts for the pitches. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Speed entry on a notebook
At 02:03 PM 10/2/06 -0400, David W. Fenton wrote: The equation may be different for different people, but I don't see the utility in learning the insanely arbitrary keyboard shortcuts, unless one has no possibility of ever using a MIDI keyboard for input. Yeah, Midi keyboards are especially good for quarter-tones. :) Seriously, though, the computer keyboard shortcuts don't seem arbitrary to me, though. They're all mnemonics for me, even if they weren't intended as such. / cut (break) beam toggle, ' launch the little voice (voice 2), P parenthesis, L lift flip stem toggle, O do not enter (hide note), ; demure (grace) note , + sharpen, - flatten, BKSP back over squash silent (turn into rest), * sticky-splat the note toggle. Arrows/shift-arrows, insert, delete all do their stuff. But as I said, it's been years of doing it, and it's mostly physical memory. I have no physical memory on a musical keyboard, in part because of aphasia (I was denied my college degree because there were no disability laws in 1970 and I couldn't work the piano keyboard). Because entry and editing are basically identical in Speedy, I need to learn only one set of actions to function quickly. If Speedy suddenly disappeared, I'd have to learn most of what I use in Finale over. It's the only entry/edit method I've ever used. So ya learn what ya learn make it work. Dennis -- Please participate in my latest project: http://maltedmedia.com/waam/ My blog: http://maltedmedia.com/bathory/waam-blog.html ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Speedy jumping around
On 2 Oct 2006 at 20:06, Barbara Touburg wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I had this problem the other day, after advice from the list I selected all (using the mass mover tool) and pressed cntrl U - it solved the probelm in my case. I can't believe this! I did what you suggested and all is well! I had done that a dozen times with no results, and suddenly it works! There must be some magic involved here. I thought selection was not needed for Ctrl-U -- you just needed to be on the first page in order to update layout for the whole file? -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Speed entry on a notebook
On 2 Oct 2006 at 14:30, dhbailey wrote: David W. Fenton wrote: On 2 Oct 2006 at 15:23, dc wrote: Dennis Bathory-Kitsz écrit: I'm not saying Speedy is preferable for anybody but me, but I know the Finale keyboard layout so well that I don't even have to look at the screen as I work (particularly with the added confirmation of pitches sounding when I enter notes). I agree with Dennis. I'm a keyboard player and a fast typist, and I own a MIDI keyboard purchased spefically for use in Finale. But Speedy entry with the numeric keypad is for me the fastest way of entering music (unless I can use Hyperscribe, which allows me to practice my C-clefs at the same time, and which is even faster). I look only at my source, and count on the sound feedback to spot wrong notes, and Finale's error beep for wrong rhythms. That being said, the entry of the music itself represents only a small portion of the work, timewise. I'm a fast touch typist, a keyboardist with an undergraduate degree in piano performance from a famous conservatory and a computer professional. I find it far, far easier to enter large amounts of music with a MIDI keyboard than from the computer keyboard. The shortcuts laid out on the keyboard for notes don't make any sense to me, so I have never learned them. Why bother when I can use the keyboard layout that is ingrained in my muscles from decades of playing the piano? The equation may be different for different people, but I don't see the utility in learning the insanely arbitrary keyboard shortcuts, unless one has no possibility of ever using a MIDI keyboard for input. And I long ago concluded that Hyperscribe was utterly useless. I have top-notch keyboard skills, but it takes way to much time to clean up the transcription errors that come from the limits of human perception that are much less precise than those of a computer. I agree that hyperscribe is utterly useless. One doesn't have to use the keyboard shortcuts for the pitches to use only the computer keyboard for speedy entry. Use the cursor keys to position the cursor and the number keys to place the proper value note. That means 3 up arrows to go up a fourth, 7 an octave, and so forth. Yes, that's the method I use, and it's an order of magnitude slower than input with a keyboard. Extremely simple and I find it far easier than moving my left hand around on a midi keyboard, You need a better setup. I have the MIDI keyboard on the desk with the computer keyboard on top of it. I use right or left hand for MIDI keyboard or for computer keyboard, depending on range. The music I'm copying is on the music rack of the MIDI keyboard, to the left, with the computer monitor visible through the left part of the music rack (which is transparent). This means I can see everything just by moving my head. Obviously, I've got the keyboard sense to follow the original source and the monitor and not need to look at my hands too often, but if you used the numeric pad on the computer keyboard, you might find it easier to input the rhythms. I sometimes switch back and forth between the numbers at the top of the keyboard and the numeric pad, depending on which hand I'm using for rhythm and which for the MIDI keyboard. But I can do all of that by sense without needing to look, because of my background, I guess. But it also wouldn't be possible without the layout I've set up for music entry. for which I am constantly having to take my eyes off the original manuscript or the monitor when the music has larger leaps. I'm sure if I practiced that I could get better at it, but this way I work the same way on my desktop computer which has a midi keyboard connected to it as when I'm working on my notebook without a midi keyboard. And I don't use those silly shortcuts for the pitches. Well, then I don't see how you can do things as quickly as with MIDI entry, even if you don't have the inherent keyboard skills to place your hands without looking. Obviously, it works for you, which is what matters, but -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Speed entry on a notebook
On 2 Oct 2006 at 14:37, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: At 02:03 PM 10/2/06 -0400, David W. Fenton wrote: The equation may be different for different people, but I don't see the utility in learning the insanely arbitrary keyboard shortcuts, unless one has no possibility of ever using a MIDI keyboard for input. Yeah, Midi keyboards are especially good for quarter-tones. :) Well, that's different! Seriously, though, the computer keyboard shortcuts don't seem arbitrary to me, though. I meant the keyboard shortcuts for notes, not for all the things you mention, which I use all the time (since there's no way to do any of those things on a MIDI keyboard). They're all mnemonics for me, even if they weren't intended as such. / cut (break) beam toggle, ' launch the little voice (voice 2), P parenthesis, L lift flip stem toggle, O do not enter (hide note), ; demure (grace) note , + sharpen, - flatten, BKSP back over squash silent (turn into rest), * sticky-splat the note toggle. I know all of these shortcuts, but mostly don't use any of the cosmetic ones until the second pass (i.e., I don't do anything about breaking beams or stem direction until the second pass). Arrows/shift-arrows, Navigating up and down the staff with the arrow keys is so incredibly slow that I couldn't imagine that was the method anyone claiming any speed was actually using. I assumed they were using the pitch shortcuts, which in Speedy are pretty nonsensical (i.e., there is no mapping to actual note names, just an octave for each row of the keyboard). insert, delete all do their stuff. But as I said, it's been years of doing it, and it's mostly physical memory. I have no physical memory on a musical keyboard, in part because of aphasia (I was denied my college degree because there were no disability laws in 1970 and I couldn't work the piano keyboard). I used Finale for 6 years without a MIDI keyboard, so I know all these shortcuts very, very well, and also have plenty of experience entering substantial amounts of music with these methods (Finale didn't add the pitch shortcuts until after I'd gotten a MIDI keyboard). I can put in music many times more quickly with a MIDI keyboard than I ever did without it. Because entry and editing are basically identical in Speedy, I need to learn only one set of actions to function quickly. If Speedy suddenly disappeared, I'd have to learn most of what I use in Finale over. It's the only entry/edit method I've ever used. Since my work is all putting parts into Finale that already exist in order to make scores, the MIDI keyboard is much faster. And editing is a second step after the entry of notes and rhythms. For my composing/arranging, I use a combination of MIDI keyboard and computer keyboard, about half and half. This may be the difference, that the people who find the MIDI keyboard faster are working from complete sources and inputting them into Finale, and those working fast with the computer keyboard are creating music on the fly, with no significant pre-existing source to copy from. -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Speed entry on a notebook
At 03:06 PM 10/2/2006, David W. Fenton wrote: speed was actually using. I assumed they were using the pitch shortcuts, which in Speedy are pretty nonsensical (i.e., there is no mapping to actual note names, just an octave for each row of the keyboard). That's only nonsensical if you're trying to mentally map the letter on the keyboard to the note name. But if you just think of it as three stacked white-key scales, it makes lots of sense. This is the method I use, and I'm very fast with it. This may be the difference, that the people who find the MIDI keyboard faster are working from complete sources and inputting them into Finale, and those working fast with the computer keyboard are creating music on the fly, with no significant pre-existing source to copy from. Speaking for myself, I'm usually working from existing sources, and I use the computer keyboard. As has been said before, one of the strengths of Finale is that it allows so many different methods, and individuals can find what works best for them. I'm not going to try to convince anyone that my way is better, but I know for a fact it's better for me. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Speedy jumping around
I wrote: I can't believe this! I did what you suggested and all is well! I had done that a dozen times with no results, and suddenly it works! There must be some magic involved here. Thanks! Barbara Unfortunately, the problem is back. Is there anyone who would like to try and fix this problem for me? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Speed entry on a notebook
At 03:06 PM 10/2/06 -0400, David W. Fenton wrote: Navigating up and down the staff with the arrow keys is so incredibly slow that I couldn't imagine that was the method anyone claiming any speed was actually using. I mentioned that autorepeat is set to max and delay to min. I can 'feel' exactly when it arrives at the spot without looking, and I can keep composing straight to the draft (or looking at the score). It really is fast in total. I have absolutely no productivity or deadline problems with myself or customers. There's no physical distraction -- which I definitely would have, as my hunt and peck is with musical keyboards. I don't map score pitches to musical keyboard fingers, especially more than one at a time. Try changing the keyboard octave span to 8 inches, putting your keyboard backwards, and looking in a mirror to play it. That might give you an idea of what it is for me. Alien. :) Denis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Speedy jumping around
On Oct 2, 2006, at 2:11 PM, Rafael wrote: I do not know why Ctrl-U does not work for you. I just reopened your file then pressed alt-v-c-f to fit the page, alt-v-m to see multiple pages (in page view obviously) went to page 13, then with page layout tool selected i could see that systems 43 and 44 were at the end of that page and also at the begining of the next one. Then pressed ctrl-u and every system is in his right place. One thing you have to keep in mind: Update Layout only works from the page you are on until the end of the document. If you were on page 14 and updated layout, the problem between 13 and 14 would not have been fixed. I always update layout from page 1, just to be sure. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Speedy jumping around
dc wrote: Barbara Touburg écrit: I'm not able to advance throught the music using the [ and ] keys. Finale just skips entire systems! It jumps from the last measure of the first system of a page to the first measure of the first system of the next page! Can anyone confirm, or even better, explain this behaviour? Steps to take: * go to http://home.wanadoo.nl/btouburg/ * Download and open this file: Dichtungen2007.mus (don't worry about missing fonts) * Go to bookmark entr'acte * With Speedy, click in the first measure of the Entr'acte * Try to advance to the end using the ] key. Does Speedy behave normally or do you encounter the same weird behaviour? This seems to work fine over here. But then, I don't use the ] key to navigate in Speedy, for the simple reason it has no effect on a French keyboard. I use the arrow keys, and they seem to work with no problem in your file. Is there any difference between the two keys for the navigation itself? Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale No, there isn't any difference. I said it so that you would experience landing on the second system of the page instead of on the first. That was before I discovered the duplicate systems. On my computer, control-shift-u worked only ONCE. The file is corrupt again. I'm continuing with Rafael's file he so kindly sent me. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] FIN 2k8 wish list
For my own part, a feature I would like to see is a smart-shape swell. When you drag, crescendo and diminuendo hairpins would appear, perfectly aligned, and each taking up exactly half of the dragged distance. The space between the end of the cresc. and the beginning of the dim. would be user-adjustable as a Smart-Shape Option. Such a feature would be easy to implement, and would save me--and I imagine at least a few others on this list--immense amounts of work. Andrew Stiller Kallisti Music Press http://home.netcom.com/~kallisti/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Please remove me from Finale List
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Re: [Finale] Please remove me from Finale List
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Re: [Finale] FIN 2k8 wish list
Dear Andrew, Bill Duncan has these in a variety of proportions in his productivity font set (hairpin font). They work well. My only reservation it that the lines are thinner than I prefer, and there doesn't seem to be a way to edit them, as you can in Finale's Smart Shape Options. That doesn't mean that I don't such a thing would be good included in Finale, but you might want to look at Bill's site, if this is something you need often. Chuck On Oct 2, 2006, at 1:48 PM, Andrew Stiller wrote: For my own part, a feature I would like to see is a smart-shape swell. When you drag, crescendo and diminuendo hairpins would appear, perfectly aligned, and each taking up exactly half of the dragged distance. The space between the end of the cresc. and the beginning of the dim. would be user-adjustable as a Smart-Shape Option. Such a feature would be easy to implement, and would save me--and I imagine at least a few others on this list--immense amounts of work. Andrew Stiller Kallisti Music Press http://home.netcom.com/~kallisti/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] FIN 2k8 wish list
On Oct 2, 2006, at 4:11 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: with typos and missing words - now corrected below. Chuck Dear Andrew, Bill Duncan has these in a variety of proportions in his productivity font set (hairpin font). They work well. My only reservation is that the lines are thinner than I prefer, and there doesn't seem to be a way to edit them, as you can in Finale's Smart Shape Options. That doesn't mean that I don't think such a thing would be good included in Finale, but you might want to look at Bill's site, if this is something you need often. Chuck On Oct 2, 2006, at 1:48 PM, Andrew Stiller wrote: For my own part, a feature I would like to see is a smart-shape swell. When you drag, crescendo and diminuendo hairpins would appear, perfectly aligned, and each taking up exactly half of the dragged distance. The space between the end of the cresc. and the beginning of the dim. would be user-adjustable as a Smart-Shape Option. Such a feature would be easy to implement, and would save me--and I imagine at least a few others on this list--immense amounts of work. Andrew Stiller Kallisti Music Press http://home.netcom.com/~kallisti/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Linked Parts
Johannes, Thank you. This seems to be working on the parts. I wonder if I'm messing up score spacing as I am doing this, but maybe not. I'll keep doing this on some more parts with automatic update mm rests off and see if everything continues to stick where I put it. Thanks again. Chuck On Oct 2, 2006, at 8:55 AM, Johannes Gebauer wrote: On 02.10.2006 Darcy James Argue wrote: I also described (or tried to) another uncontrollable situation. On one staff line in a part, a 31 m. MM rest and a one m. pickup (with entries) at the end of the line. Finale will make the 31 m. rest and the one m. spread equally on the line, making the single measure look way too wide. So you drag the bar line and fix it. Fine, if you print right away, but go to another part and return to this one, and take a look. The spacing has sprung back to the default. I u Have you tried editing the multimeasure rest width with the Measure Tool (control-click the measure, select Edit Multimeasure Rest, and change the width)? I believe this problem would not actually go away by editing the width, either. The problem lies with the automatic update mm rests option, which is found in the document options-Multimeasure rests, which for this very reason should be switched off as soon as work on the parts starts. I have deactivated this option as a default after having spent hours trying to work out why the mm rests always reverted to the defaults after I had edited them. Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Speed entry on a notebook
Le 06-10-02 à 09:09, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz a écrit :In terms of touch-typing, this is slower because of the reach and the two hands having to be overtop each other. I still disagree with Johannes on speed. The excellent organization of the keyboard in Speedy entry seems to be overlooked. The entire keyboard usage is shifted right from normal touch typing, so that without touching anything but the keys with two hands, music can be entered quickly in Speedy without ever touching the mouse. I agree with David and Dennis on the fact that using the computer keyboard is faster and better designed to use the functionality keystrokes of Finale. Am I overlooking something or does midi keyboard input in Speedy require to go back and shift flat and sharp notes (black keys of the keyboard). It looks to me that it slows things down quite a lot. At worst I would say that computer keyboard is not slower than midi keyboard. But that's the wonderful thing about Finale that makes it superior in term of input over the competition: many different entry methods will still get good results.The other Eric___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Speed entry on a notebook
On 2 Oct 2006 at 20:45, Éric Dussault wrote: Am I overlooking something or does midi keyboard input in Speedy require to go back and shift flat and sharp notes (black keys of the keyboard). It looks to me that it slows things down quite a lot. How so? It is only a problem when Finale uses the wrong enharmonic spelling. If you hit a black key you get either a flat or a sharp, according to the enharmonic mapping in place for the key in question. I correct enharmonic errors on the first editing pass, the same one where I do beaming and stem direction. -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] FinMac2k7 Linked Parts questions
working on my first score/linked parts wind quintet project and have come across a few issues that I haven't seen come up on the list but may have missed and hoping for some feedback: no Left barlines in Parts only: * my score has standard grouped staves and parts are individual instruments: when I create the parts in the part definition, is there a way to set something so that the left barline doesn't appear at the beginning of each system in the Part as in standard practice? I can do it manually by unchecking Document OptionsLeft Barlines: Display on Single Staves but this is global and affects both Parts and Score. Printing/Saving as PDF problems: * From both Score and Parts I get spinning pizza of death when printing ranges of pages when I use the FilePrintFinale 2007 pull down menu. Happens to either of my laser printers. However, when I put a range of pages in the standard Copies Pages pull down menu of the print dialog all OK; and * Similarly, I want to create PDF files using the OSX PrintSave as PDF feature: I can do it for the Score view but not for the Parts view. I've done some tests in the Fin2k7 sample file Bach.mus and created parts. I can print range of pages in PrintFinale 2007 pull down menu and Save as PDF. Must be something in my score/parts file. Anybody else have similar problems and would appreciate any ideas? -- --- cheers, Claudio -- * Mac PPCG4 1.25GHz DP FW800 1.75GB Ram ATI Radeon Pro video card * HP 8100 LaserJet duplex; Brother HL-1430 Laser writer * Finale 2k7 and most previous versions Claudio Pompili composer, sound designer, music consultant http://www.claudiopompili.net.au/ AMC http://www.amcoz.com.au ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
