Re: [Finale] large time sigs / +
Yes, it seems like an oversight: it ought to be possible to set the vertical position of the plus sign. I can only come up with workarounds, either: 1. You could set the plus sign to a blank character, then add it as an expression. or 2. If you prefer keeping the plus sign as it is, you are forced to move the time signature staff upwards. To remove the extra bit of left barline, you could first turn off display of left barlines, then create a fake left barline using a group bracket or a smart line. I think I'd use the first method. Good luck - that score looks like a lot of hard work. Michael On 9 Dec 2006, at 00:50, shirling neueweise wrote: two normally unrelated issues but intimitely connected for me at the moment... am i missing something or is this some strange oversight on the part of finale? you can set the vertical position for upper and lower numbers, but not the + sign!? the issue is that i need larger time sigs on the score; they thought this one out in the linked parts, there are different settings for font and positioning score/parts... but nowhere can you set the + sign vertical positioning? it is (still) impossible to use a separate staff at the top of the score for ONLY time sigs and tempos which sits **above** the rest of the staves!?!?! (staff set to show nothing but measure expressions and time sigs) because the left barline will always extend from the topmost staffline of the entire system. so i have set the top staff (time sig staff) to exactly the same positioning as the top instrument staff and positioned the time sig #s so they sit above the staff... however, the + sign sits in the staff at the proper position ONLY at 24pt. is there another solution that i can't see at the moment? (you can't set the left barline to invisible for only one staff) ack. see top left in this file http://newmusicnotation.com/TEMPFILES/ blinkypalermo_TIME.pdf hope someone has some crazy solution i am blind to at the moment... -- shirling neueweise ... new music publishers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :.../ http://newmusicnotation.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Time Lag
Eric Dannewitz nailed it -- it's latency, and for immediate response when you hit a midi key, you need one or more of several things: A faster processor, more ram, a different playback engine. If you're trying to use GPO, which is extremely resource-hungry, while entering your music, you'll have to spend a lot of money to get a faster processor and lots more ram. Simply switch to using your normal soundcard playback synth and you'll most likely notice no latency at all. Then when you've got all the notes entered, switch to GPO. The reason it doesn't happen in Fin2004 is that it doesn't have GPO playback capability. You could consider using the same playback device you use in Fin2004 when you're entering music in Fin2006 or 2007. David H. Bailey John Hughes wrote: If anyone has the solution to this problem I would surely like to hear it. John - Original Message - From: John Hughes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: finale@shsu.edu Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 11:32 AM Subject: [Finale] Time Lag I feel sure some kind person would have the solution to my problem. In speedy entry there is a time lag between the moment I press the key on my keyboard and when the sound appears. This in itself is annoying, but when I am entering a string of notes I first get a measure full of rests, then eventually the notes begin appearing. This makes it impossible to work. This first showed up when I installed WinFin 2007, hence I have not yet been able to use it. The problem has now infested my Fin2006. I have spent days off and on searching for ways to correct it, with no results. So far, my Fin2004 seems to be unaffected. If anyone has the solution to this I would be eternally grateful. John Hughes ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Time Lag
Eric Dannewitz / 2006/12/08 / 10:35 PM wrote: It's called LATENCY You need to perhaps get a better sound card or use a Midi module. It may be, or maybe not. The original poster was having the problem on input data, not playback (which includes patch through that many seems to think that is where the problem lies). Crappy MIDI driver can do this. You should check the driver is up to date first. Google around to see if your MIDI interface driver is known to be clean. -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Time Lag
Well, he said In speedy entry there is a time lag between the moment I press the key on my keyboard and when the sound appears. This in itself is annoying, but when I am entering a string of notes I first get a measure full of rests, then eventually the notes begin appearing. This makes it impossible to work. Which, without any other information, would sound like latency problems. A-NO-NE Music wrote: Eric Dannewitz / 2006/12/08 / 10:35 PM wrote: It's called LATENCY You need to perhaps get a better sound card or use a Midi module. It may be, or maybe not. The original poster was having the problem on input data, not playback (which includes patch through that many seems to think that is where the problem lies). Crappy MIDI driver can do this. You should check the driver is up to date first. Google around to see if your MIDI interface driver is known to be clean. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Time Lag
Eric Dannewitz / 2006/12/09 / 11:44 AM wrote: Well, he said In speedy entry there is a time lag between the moment I press the key on my keyboard and when the sound appears. This in itself is annoying, but when I am entering a string of notes I first get a measure full of rests, then eventually the notes begin appearing. This makes it impossible to work. Which, without any other information, would sound like latency problems. No. He is getting _rests_ entered, meaning the input data is not reaching. -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Time Lag
Well, it could be a number of problems. Perhaps two problems. The time lag between pressing and hearing the sound is latency. The other problem, Speedy not catching up...could be because he's using GPO sounds and the latency for Finale to generate the sound first, then to update the screen might be making it delayed. Perhaps we need more specific information about this... A-NO-NE Music wrote: Eric Dannewitz / 2006/12/09 / 11:44 AM wrote: Well, he said In speedy entry there is a time lag between the moment I press the key on my keyboard and when the sound appears. This in itself is annoying, but when I am entering a string of notes I first get a measure full of rests, then eventually the notes begin appearing. This makes it impossible to work. Which, without any other information, would sound like latency problems. No. He is getting _rests_ entered, meaning the input data is not reaching. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Time Lag
Thanks to everyone who sent suggestions, but I really think it is due somehow to the actual software. Everything was fine before Fin 2007. From the word 'go' I couldn't use it because of this fault. I continued using Fin2006. Then the other day I loaded Fin2007 and tried every possible way to fix it, to no avail. When I returned to Fin2006 I found that it had contracted the same fault. I have now gone back to using Fin2004, which is working OK. - No latency, which indicates that my keyboard and sound card must be alright. John ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] O.T. Self publishing issues
On Dec 7, 2006, at 8:59 AM, John Howell wrote: Lots of opinions being thrown around here, and NONE of us has seen the inside of a law school, but this brings up a concrete question. Do you know that? I realize you're speaking metaphorically, and for the sake of clarity I confirm that I am neither a lawyer nor a law student nor have I ever been one. I did, however, in my youth spend quite a bit of time inside a law school. I don't believe anyone has stated this explicitly, so I'll go out on a limb. Copyright in the U.S. is treated as a property right, and a copyrighted work is treated as property. In fact, property and property rights were extremely important to the founding fathers. I think you're going out on the wrong limb here. This is a very tangled argument for many reasons, not the least of which is that the founding fathers were far from unified, but on the whole I think it's incorrect to say that the founding fathers perceived copyright as a personal property right. Under American law, copyrights and patents are defined as exclusive rights, not intellectual properties. Intellectual property is itself an advocacy term, invented by those whose agenda was precisely what you describe: to have the law treat copyrights, patents, etc, more like personal property. The term did not come into common usage until the 1960s, corresponding with the founding of the World Intellectual Property Organization. (Earliest known use of the term is 1845, but it's rare until WIPO was formed in 1967. After that it almost always appears in quotation marks until about 1980.) I know you're looking for factual clarification, not a political argument. I'm sorry to have to tell you that you can't get far discussing intellectual property without it becoming political. It is an inherently political term, like death tax or woman's right to choose. mdl ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] O.T. Self publishing issues
On 12/9/06, Mark D Lew [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm sorry to have to tell you that you can't get far discussing intellectual property without it becoming political. It is an inherently political term, like death tax or woman's right to choose. Intellectual property is a new term btw: Here is a wonderful quote from an interview Stay Free Magazine! had with Siva Vaidhyanathan the author of Copyrights and Copywrongs: Full interview here: http://www.stayfreemagazine.org/archives/20/siva_vaidhyanathan.html Stay Free!: It's funny. You think of corporations as being so antideregulation, and with copyright, it's the complete opposite. Vaidhyanathan: Corporations are always pro regulation when it's to their benefit. Copyright law has been way below the public's radar largely because this stuff seems so complicated and so irrelevant to daily life, but I think that's changing. Stay Free!: Napster really raised the awareness level, although I'm not sure that's all good. I'm on an email list with lots of teachers, and when, say, a student uses a popular song in a video they've created, some teachers will refer to that as stealing. Vaidhyanathan: But when many people say they're stealing, they're joking. They giggle when they use peer-to-peer systems to download songs... Stay Free!: I think you can blame part of the problem on language. Where did the term intellectual property originate? Vaidhyanathan: In the late 1960s, the phrase started making its way into law school course catalogues. Within legal discourse, property does not mean what it means in popular discourse. So it wasn't a real problem until the phrase caught on with the public. When that happened, it allowed experts call the shots. Jack Valenti [president of the Motion Picture Association of America] will say, This is theft, this is theft, this is theft, because we're talking about property. You could then use metaphors like If I lock something up in my garage, you can't come in and take it. Or, You can't break into my house to watch television. Stay Free!: But those arguments are pretty easy to shoot down, don't you think? Because real property isn't like copyrighted material. If someone takes something from your garage, then you don't have it anymore. But if, say, a store plays your song, you don't have any less of a song. Vaidhyanathan: Unfortunately, the property metaphor is addictive. Whenever we debate people who belong to the content world, we end up having to work within the metaphor. Now I tend to respond by saying, You're not talking about real property, you're talking about a government-granted monopoly. And you have to get back to that point that copyright is not natural, it's something that we the people decided to give to a certain class of people in exchange for something. And so if we're not giving what we promised to this group of people, we need to ask whether the system is properly balanced. Kim Patrick Clow There's really only two types of music: good and bad. ~ Rossini ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] O.T. Self publishing issues
Mark D Lew wrote: On Dec 7, 2006, at 8:59 AM, John Howell wrote: Lots of opinions being thrown around here, and NONE of us has seen the inside of a law school, but this brings up a concrete question. Do you know that? I realize you're speaking metaphorically, and for the sake of clarity I confirm that I am neither a lawyer nor a law student nor have I ever been one. I did, however, in my youth spend quite a bit of time inside a law school. Not to mention those of us who have spent time at law schools, and have worked in the legal field for many years. (Not copyright law, though, otherwise I might have said something earlier). cd -- http://www.livejournal.com/users/dershem/# http://members.cox.net/dershem ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] O.T. Self publishing issues
At 11:03 AM -0800 12/9/06, Mark D Lew wrote: On Dec 7, 2006, at 8:59 AM, John Howell wrote: I don't believe anyone has stated this explicitly, so I'll go out on a limb. Copyright in the U.S. is treated as a property right, and a copyrighted work is treated as property. In fact, property and property rights were extremely important to the founding fathers. I think you're going out on the wrong limb here. This is a very tangled argument for many reasons, not the least of which is that the founding fathers were far from unified, Agreed that they were far from unified (and what else could we expect!), but the laws they passed were not ambiguous, and it is those laws, in my view, that treat copyrights and patents as property, but as property with a reasonable time limit to its exclusivity. They also probably disagreed on whether we would have a King or a President, but they made a decision, and on whether to have a state religion, multiple state religions, or no state religions, and again they made the decision that is recorded in our Constitution. Men of good will can disagree, as long as they have the intelligence to compromise. That, of course, is what is missing in the Middle East these days. (Political statement? I don't think so; just a statement of fact. When no one will give an inch, compromise and negotiation are impossible, and therefore democracy is impossible.) Under American law, copyrights and patents are defined as exclusive rights, not intellectual properties. Which may be why, if you check, you'll see that while I write of copyrights, I do not use the term intellectual property. At least not in this particular thread. And the reason I avoid it is to avoid confusing U.S. law with European law and the moral rights or whatever they are called that underlie it. John -- John Susie Howell Virginia Tech Department of Music Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Time Lag
John Hughes wrote: Thanks to everyone who sent suggestions, but I really think it is due somehow to the actual software. Everything was fine before Fin 2007. From the word 'go' I couldn't use it because of this fault. I continued using Fin2006. Then the other day I loaded Fin2007 and tried every possible way to fix it, to no avail. When I returned to Fin2006 I found that it had contracted the same fault. I have now gone back to using Fin2004, which is working OK. - No latency, which indicates that my keyboard and sound card must be alright. But you still haven't told us which playback device you were trying to use in Fin2007 -- was it GPO or were you using your basic soundcard synth? -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Time Lag
dhbailey wrote, WRT John Hughes complaint about delay in sound when using Fin 2k6 and 2k7: But you still haven't told us which playback device you were trying to use in Fin2007 -- was it GPO or were you using your basic soundcard synth? I would note further, and perhaps more fundamentally, that Mr. Hughes does not appear to have provided (at least in this thread, and if it was in a previous post, I've deleted it) any information on his platform. In the absence of details about the processor, clock speed, OS version, amount of installed memory, and sound card and driver, are we not guessing as to reasons for the behavior he describes? I remember an episode of latency, I think when I upgraded from 2k1 to 2k2 (or maybe from 2k2 to 2k3), and it was quickly fixed by upping the amount of memory, though I don't necessarily mean to imply that this is the problem in this case. ns ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Irregular Rest Placement
In MacFIN-07, to create individual parts from a “conductor’s score” in which I use 2 layers for paired parts (i.e. a staff for flute 1/2, a staff for clarinet 2/3, etc.), I built a “parts score” (each part with a separate staff). From the “conductor’s score,” I then copied the paired parts into both of their respective staves in the “parts score” (fl.1/2 into both flute 1 2 staves). Then by deleting flute layer 2 from the fl. 1 part, flute 1 remains, and deleting layer 1 leaves flute 2, etc. Now my problem #1 with rests: After deleting a layer, rest patterns (sometimes) have jumped to incorrect spaces on staves, but sometimes not. (e.g. at times the rest is above the staff, sometimes below, at times too high or low by a line or a space.) And this aberration changes from measure-to-measure. My question #1: (Aside from why this annoyance occurs) is there a way to select all rests in a staff and move them to the default location without disturbing notes in the measures? Problem #2: Many measures of this composition are in 7/4, and, after I split the parts, sometimes FINALE changes rest durations, filling in empty parts of measures in unpredictable ways. (e.g. a 4-beat rest may be displayed as 2 half-note rests at times, and at times as a whole note rest. Sometimes a 3-beat rest will appear as a dotted half, and at others as a half-plus-a-quarter rest. 5 counts of rest may appear as a whole rest plus a quarter rest; a dotted half rest plus a half rest; and even half-rest, quarter-rest, half-rest, etc.) There seems to be no pattern to this anomaly. Question #2: Is there a way to specify a rest preference, and to avoid dotted rests? (I personally avoid using dotted rests because the dot isn’t always apparent to players. And in the 7/4 measures the measure at times is 4+3, but at other times 3+4. I want the rest pattern to indicate this to the player.) Question #3: In the “conductor’s score” I hide rests in layer 2. Is there a way to select all hidden rests in a staff of the “parts score,” and get all hidden rests to show? PS. I am always impressed with the answers, and thankful for the patient responses members of this list make to my frustrated queries. Most recently, thanks to Chuck, David and Randolph. I wish there were someone local using FIN-07 whom I could sit down with and just watch, to see how they use it.___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Irregular Rest Placement
Le 06-12-09 à 21:33, Gerry Kirk a écrit : My question #1: (Aside from why this annoyance occurs) is there a way to select all rests in a staff and move them to the default location without disturbing notes in the measures? The move rests plug-in (note, beam and rest editing folder) has an option to clear manual positioning. Éric Dussault ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Gubaidulina
Raymond, thanks for your story. Stimmen is a symphony in 12 parts. Here too there is a lot of difference in the quality of the individual parts. Some, though really the minority, are really good in my humble opinion, and there are some which I find mediocre and some which are terrible. I didn't know Gubaidulina untill recently when I heard one of her string quartets. I ordered Stimmen ( and Stufen, again, of which the first part is really beautiful, but not the rest), because I wanted to hear more and because this CD with the Stockholm got very good reviews on Amazon. The Nono CD got very good reviews too. Sometimes I think that almost everything gets good reviews on Amazon. Or maybe it's just me getting Alzheimer. I recently bought Five pieces for Orchestra by Schoenberg. The Ode to Napoleon is also on that CD. After many years, I listened to it again. I don't like this piece. I also bought Stravinsky's Symphony in C - it doesn't do a thing to me. Best regards, Will - The all-new Yahoo! Mail goes wherever you go - free your email address from your Internet provider. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
