Re: [Finale] "Last word" arguments

2006-12-15 Thread Mark D Lew

On Dec 15, 2006, at 10:13 AM, Aaron Sherber wrote:

No, it doesn't. An email thread is a conversation. You want to read 
what someone said and then what the reply is. On blogs and news sites, 
the articles are not related to one another in that way, and when you 
go to the site you generally want to see the newest things first.


A weblog is a log.  Of course, blogs can be used for pretty much 
anything, but most fundamentally it is like a diary.  If I'm reading, 
say, the log of the Lewis & Clark expedition, I don't want to read the 
newest items first; I want to read it in order.  Likewise if I'm 
reading someone's journal I want to read it in order.  You mention also 
mention news.  If I subscribe to a newsletter and I've fallen behind in 
reading it, when I sit down to catch up, I want to read the issues in 
order, not newest first.



On Dec 15, 2006, at 9:48 AM, Aaron Sherber wrote:

Because people want to log on and see the new posts. Having to jump 
down to the bottom doesn't seem to be a good way to do it.


Surely it wouldn't be so difficult for the software to have a feature 
so that after each item there's a little bookmark link.  When you get 
to the bottom of the page you click it to "mark your place", and then 
next time you visit you go back to where you left off, no matter how 
much has been added below.


I can make WordPress list things backwards. I'm guessing that most 
software you administer yourself allows it, although probably not 
canned things like Blogger.


I use Radio.  It's pretty powerful, so I assume there's a way to do it. 
 I dug around a bit looking for a piece of code I could use to arrange 
first-to-last, but I couldn't find anything.


mdl

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[Finale] Finale 2007a Crashes on Mac

2006-12-15 Thread Eric Dannewitz
Has anyone noticed that Finale 2007a seems to crash when importing Midi 
files?


I just finished something in the sequencer, and went to import it into 
Finale and...crash..

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Re: [Finale] Finale 2007a Mac is out

2006-12-15 Thread Chuck Israels

Dear Andrew,

I created a correct (centered at the apex of the cross point) stem  
connection for the x note head in Bill Duncan's (and yes, we will  
miss him) Salzedo font and adjusted the positioning of the connection  
to the Salzedo font half note percussion shape, and everything worked  
as it is supposed to for me (on a Mac G5 running OS 10.4).  So my  
only conclusion is that the ReadMe is mistaken.  I should have tried  
it first, but I was so pissed off when I read it that I fired off a  
missive to MM's tech support, only to have to retract it.  However,  
the silly loss of font selections when importing Document Options  
libraries on a Mac is still there.  That's just an annoyance, not a  
work stopper/deal breaker for me, but I am certainly irritated that  
it remains broken after all this time.


Chuck


On Dec 15, 2006, at 9:40 PM, Andrew Stiller wrote:



On Dec 15, 2006, at 8:18 PM, Chuck Israels wrote:


The Read Me is incorrect.  Stem Connections are accessible.



A  great relief, if true. To be specific, am I to understand  that  
the ReadMe assertion that


Document Options  •  Stem Connections cannot be created, edited,  
or deleted on PowerMacs.


is untrue in every particular, so that, if/when I install 2K7a on  
my pre-intel Mac I *will* be able to create, edit, and/or delete  
stem connections?


If the ReadMe is correct, I would consider this a deal-breaker. I  
purchased 2K7 a while back but have not installed it because it is  
so buggy. If even 2K7a will not let me, for example, create a  
correct stem connection for an X-shaped notehead, then the program  
is useless for me and I will have to continue to rely on 2K4-- 
itself no prize.


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Re: [Finale] Finale 2007a Mac is out

2006-12-15 Thread Andrew Stiller


On Dec 15, 2006, at 8:18 PM, Chuck Israels wrote:


The Read Me is incorrect.  Stem Connections are accessible.



A  great relief, if true. To be specific, am I to understand  that the 
ReadMe assertion that


Document Options  •  Stem Connections cannot be created, edited, or 
deleted on PowerMacs.


is untrue in every particular, so that, if/when I install 2K7a on my 
pre-intel Mac I *will* be able to create, edit, and/or delete stem 
connections?


If the ReadMe is correct, I would consider this a deal-breaker. I 
purchased 2K7 a while back but have not installed it because it is so 
buggy. If even 2K7a will not let me, for example, create a correct stem 
connection for an X-shaped notehead, then the program is useless for me 
and I will have to continue to rely on 2K4--itself no prize.


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Re: [Finale] Garritan in a student lab/Kontakt2

2006-12-15 Thread Eric Dannewitz

David Froom wrote:
First of all, I've seen Kontakt 2 discussed on the list -- but right 
now, all we have is 1.1.8,3, correct?  This is the last update to the 
player that we've been able to get from the Native Instruments site, 
and it is pretty old.


If your lab is going to use Intel macs, then you want Kontakt player 2 
that is universal binary. Using Kontakt player under Rosetta (IE: 
emulation) is terrible. It stutters and is basically not worth trying in 
my opinion. If the Macs are G5s or anything non-Intel, then it's not an 
issue. The Kontakt player will work fine.
Second question:  when I taught this two years ago (and GPO was fairly 
new), I had a lot of trouble installing GPO under a multiple user 
environment in the Mac lab.  It simply was not possible to have 
students on a single computer with multiple accounts get access to 
GPO.  We will use it both with Finale and with MOTU Digital 
Performer.  Last time I tried to get this to work, in order for the 
students to be able to use GPO, we had to give them administrative 
logins!  We tried everything, but this was the only way.

Hmmm. Searching NI's Forums I get this:
http://www.native-instruments.com/index.php?id=2203&action=view&uid=57271&startrow=30&filter=SP_Product_group%7Csearch%7Csearchtype%7E%7CKontakt%7C1

Your NI software authorization key can be used by any user on a Mac, 
assumed they are all users on the same computer.


In order to port the authorization from the admin user, who installed 
the software and registered it, to another user under the same system:


copy (do not move!) the Finale GPO Kontakt player.plist file from

Macintosh HD /users//library/preferences

into

Macintosh HD/users//Public/Dropbox

then login under the other user. the other "new" user must copy the file 
from the drop box to his user preferences folder:


Macintosh HD /users//library/preferences

After this you should be able to use the software.

Please note that the file permission for the copied .plist file may not 
yet be correct. You will have to change these manually via the Finder's 
GET INFO (apple-I) window.


Select the file> Finale GPO Kontakt player.plist

Press Apple-I

Expand the "ownership and permissions" section

Change the group to > admin, read and write
Change > others, read and write

Close the window
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Re: [Finale] FinMac2007a--Crash On Quit

2006-12-15 Thread Eric Dannewitz
Nope. No problems for me. Perhaps you have a corrupt Finale Preferences 
file? Maybe try deleting that...


Leigh Daniels wrote:

Just tried FinMac2007a and every time I Quit, I get the crash reporter.
This is true even if I just start it and then quit.

Any ideas why? Anyone else seeing this?

**Leigh
  


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Re: [Finale] Engraver Time Font

2006-12-15 Thread Eric Dannewitz

What? No way. Oh, this is terrible news!

Mike Cholewa wrote:

I would have been glad to answer this question. But when I tried to access
Bill Duncan's website I learned to my great dismay that he has passed away.
His Finale Productivity Pack (the modified version of BigTime is a part of
this pack) is a tremendous resource and help in my daily work with Finale.

See for your self: http://www.gwmp.com/
You may this page which are is longer linked from the main page:
http://www.gwmp.com/FinaleProductivityFrameset.htm

Mike 
  


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[Finale] Garritan in a student lab/Kontakt2

2006-12-15 Thread David Froom

Hello,
I have a few questions on which I hope to get help.

First of all, I am currently a FinMac2005 user who uses full GPO,  
though my primary use of GPO is with MOTU Digital Performer.  I'm  
teaching a small electronic music class at my college in the spring  
(I teach this every other year), and, over the winter break will be  
updating the college's (and my) licenses to FinMac 2007.  I usually  
try to buy right around the time of "version b," and it looks like it  
will be coming soon.


First of all, I've seen Kontakt 2 discussed on the list -- but right  
now, all we have is 1.1.8,3, correct?  This is the last update to the  
player that we've been able to get from the Native Instruments site,  
and it is pretty old.


Is this what FinMac2007 uses?

Second question:  when I taught this two years ago (and GPO was  
fairly new), I had a lot of trouble installing GPO under a multiple  
user environment in the Mac lab.  It simply was not possible to have  
students on a single computer with multiple accounts get access to  
GPO.  We will use it both with Finale and with MOTU Digital  
Performer.  Last time I tried to get this to work, in order for the  
students to be able to use GPO, we had to give them administrative  
logins!  We tried everything, but this was the only way.


We have been using FinMac 2006 on such a computer, and somehow, the  
light version of GPO that comes with FinMac 2006 DOES function in a  
multi-user environment.


Does anyone have experience with the current version of the full GPO  
in a multiple user environment with Macs, where GPO is installed and  
accesible by many people with different accounts on a single  
computer?  With and/or without Finale 2007?


Finally, does anyone have some quick advice about installing  
FinMac2007 and the full GPO?  Are there any tricks or cautions?  Or  
will it all sort itself out (where Finale, GPO, and MOTU quickly and  
happily find each other)?


Thanking you all in advance,

David Froom

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[Finale] Re: Finale 2007a Mac is out

2006-12-15 Thread shirling & neueweise


seems smart shapes are still not horizontally unlinkable and beam 
and stem lengths are not adjustable separately in SC/PT...


which i just discovered are a real pain in the ass with dashed lines 
for tempo ritardandi and accelerandi.


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[Finale] FinMac2007a--Crash On Quit

2006-12-15 Thread Leigh Daniels
Just tried FinMac2007a and every time I Quit, I get the crash reporter.
This is true even if I just start it and then quit.

Any ideas why? Anyone else seeing this?

**Leigh

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[Finale] Re: Finale 2007a Mac is out

2006-12-15 Thread shirling & neueweise


Chuck Israels cisraels at comcast.net

The Read Me is incorrect.  Stem Connections are accessible.


Robert Patterson wrote:

But I believe Stem Connections have been fixed.


what exactly does this mean?  i'm not sure about upgrading at the 
moment, i'm in the middle of trying to finish a big project... so may 
not bother at the moment.


seems smart shapes are still not horizontally unlinkable and beam and 
stem lengths are not adjustable separately in SC/PT...


jeez.

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Re: [Finale] Finale 2007a Mac is out

2006-12-15 Thread Chuck Israels

The Read Me is incorrect.  Stem Connections are accessible.

What is still broken on the Mac side is the loading of a Document  
Option Library.  Font selection becomes confused when loading a saved  
Doc. Opt. library.


Chuck


On Dec 15, 2006, at 5:02 PM, Chuck Israels wrote:


Hi Robert,

Haven't tried them, but the Read Me says no.  I will try and report  
back.


Chuck


On Dec 15, 2006, at 4:41 PM, Robert Patterson wrote:


Chuck Israels wrote:

But apparently not Stem Connections - arghhh!


I haven't been able to get my copy of 07a yet. (The server is  
exceedingly busy.) But I believe Stem Connections have been fixed.


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Re: [Finale] Finale 2007a Mac is out

2006-12-15 Thread Chuck Israels

Hi Robert,

Haven't tried them, but the Read Me says no.  I will try and report  
back.


Chuck


On Dec 15, 2006, at 4:41 PM, Robert Patterson wrote:


Chuck Israels wrote:

But apparently not Stem Connections - arghhh!


I haven't been able to get my copy of 07a yet. (The server is  
exceedingly busy.) But I believe Stem Connections have been fixed.


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Re: [Finale] Finale 2007a Mac is out

2006-12-15 Thread Robert Patterson

Chuck Israels wrote:


But apparently not Stem Connections - arghhh!



I haven't been able to get my copy of 07a yet. (The server is 
exceedingly busy.) But I believe Stem Connections have been fixed.


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Re: [Finale] Finale 2007a Mac is out

2006-12-15 Thread Chuck Israels


On Dec 15, 2006, at 4:13 PM, Robert Patterson wrote:

A big item is that plugins can now determine and control which part  
they  act on, and any plugin can be recompiled to launch in part  
view. My plugins and the version of JW Space Systems for Mac that I  
have been supporting all run in part view in Fin07a. I would be  
surprised if TGTools doesn't already or soon will.


There are also numerous bug fixes.


But apparently not Stem Connections - arghhh!

Chuck





Dean M. Estabrook wrote:

I looked on their site, and couldn't find any info on it. What's  
new  in it?


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Re: [Finale] Finale 2007a Mac is out

2006-12-15 Thread Robert Patterson
Interestingly, these docs do not mention the change to the plugin menu, 
possibly because MM chose not to allow launching of their plugins from 
part view. But if you use mine or (likely, soon, TGTools), you can 
launch them in part view in Fin07a.


Aaron Sherber wrote:



Win: 



Mac: 



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Re: [Finale] Finale 2007a Mac is out

2006-12-15 Thread Dean M. Estabrook

Ah ... thank you gentlemen.  As usual, I followed an incorrect path.

Dean

On Dec 15, 2006, at 4:13 PM, Aaron Sherber wrote:


At 07:01 PM 12/15/2006, Dean M. Estabrook wrote:
>I looked on their site, and couldn't find any info on it.

finalemusic.com -> Support -> Downloads

>What's new
>in it?

Win: 


Mac: 


Aaron.

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Re: [Finale] Finale 2007a Mac is out

2006-12-15 Thread Aaron Sherber

At 07:01 PM 12/15/2006, Dean M. Estabrook wrote:
>I looked on their site, and couldn't find any info on it.

finalemusic.com -> Support -> Downloads

>What's new
>in it?

Win: 

Mac: 

Aaron.

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Re: [Finale] Finale 2007a Mac is out

2006-12-15 Thread Robert Patterson
A big item is that plugins can now determine and control which part they 
 act on, and any plugin can be recompiled to launch in part view. My 
plugins and the version of JW Space Systems for Mac that I have been 
supporting all run in part view in Fin07a. I would be surprised if 
TGTools doesn't already or soon will.


There are also numerous bug fixes.

Dean M. Estabrook wrote:

I looked on their site, and couldn't find any info on it. What's new  in 
it?




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Re: [Finale] Finale 2007a Mac is out

2006-12-15 Thread Dean M. Estabrook
I looked on their site, and couldn't find any info on it. What's new  
in it?


Dean

On Dec 15, 2006, at 2:22 PM, Eric Dannewitz wrote:


it's huge though. 106 megs
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Re: [Finale] "Last word" arguments

2006-12-15 Thread Eric Dannewitz

Ok then...all is good

dhbailey wrote:

Eric Dannewitz wrote:
I respectfully disagree. Most everyone, except this list, I email 
with puts replies on the top.


dhbailey wrote:


News sites I can understanding the newest items at the top, because 
they're not threads of conversations, which are best understood when 
read from beginning (original statements) to end (newest statements).


e-mail responses, however, are like conversations which make best 
sense when read in chronological sequence of oldest to newest.





Cool -- most other lists I belong to put replies on the bottom.  Many 
individuals I correspond with put replies on the top.


As long as they're comprehendable (or is that comprehensible?), I 
really don't care.




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[Finale] [OT] german translation: 1 clave is F/M/N?

2006-12-15 Thread shirling & neueweise


one clave is called for, score and notes in german... is it der, das 
or die Clave?


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Re: [Finale] Finale 2007a Mac and Win

2006-12-15 Thread Aaron Sherber

Mac and Win are both available from finalemusic.com

Aaron.

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RE: [Finale] Engraver Time Font

2006-12-15 Thread Mike Cholewa
I would have been glad to answer this question. But when I tried to access
Bill Duncan's website I learned to my great dismay that he has passed away.
His Finale Productivity Pack (the modified version of BigTime is a part of
this pack) is a tremendous resource and help in my daily work with Finale.

See for your self: http://www.gwmp.com/
You may this page which are is longer linked from the main page:
http://www.gwmp.com/FinaleProductivityFrameset.htm

Mike 

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> 
> Hi,
> 
> I'm working on a score using the large time signatures from the Engraver
> Time
> font.   But I need the cut-time character which isn't included.   I seem
> to
> remember that someone had modified this font in the past to include this.
> Does anyone have any information where I can find this?
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Re: [Finale] "Last word" arguments

2006-12-15 Thread Eric Dannewitz
I respectfully disagree. Most everyone, except this list, I email with 
puts replies on the top.


dhbailey wrote:


News sites I can understanding the newest items at the top, because 
they're not threads of conversations, which are best understood when 
read from beginning (original statements) to end (newest statements).


e-mail responses, however, are like conversations which make best 
sense when read in chronological sequence of oldest to newest.





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Re: [Finale] "Last word" arguments

2006-12-15 Thread dhbailey

Eric Dannewitz wrote:
Yes, it is. Snipping off really old replies makes sense. But scrolling 
all the way down to read someone's reply.seems silly.but then 
again, people do silly things




Like hoping that Fin2007a will be released before Fin2008 is offered for 
sale.  ;-)



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Re: [Finale] "Last word" arguments

2006-12-15 Thread dhbailey

Aaron Sherber wrote:

At 04:25 PM 12/15/2006, Eric Dannewitz wrote:
 >Yes, it is. Snipping off really old replies makes sense. But scrolling
 >all the way down to read someone's reply.seems silly.but then
 >again, people do silly things

Butbut...but...it's not 'scrolling all the way down' if you've 
trimmed judiciously. If you only quote the bits you're replying to, then 
your reply is immediately visible, kind of like this one.


Here, go look at these:




These pages refer to Usenet postings, but they apply equally well to 
email discussions.


I'm not going to add any more to this thread. I have a hunch it's only 
going to start to get nasty.




At least nobody's mentioned Hitler or nazis yet.  Oops!  There goes the 
neighborhood!  :-)




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[Finale] Finale 2007a Mac is out

2006-12-15 Thread Eric Dannewitz

it's huge though. 106 megs
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Re: [Finale] "Last word" arguments

2006-12-15 Thread dhbailey

Eric Dannewitz wrote:
I respectfully disagree. Most everyone, except this list, I email with 
puts replies on the top.


dhbailey wrote:


News sites I can understanding the newest items at the top, because 
they're not threads of conversations, which are best understood when 
read from beginning (original statements) to end (newest statements).


e-mail responses, however, are like conversations which make best 
sense when read in chronological sequence of oldest to newest.





Cool -- most other lists I belong to put replies on the bottom.  Many 
individuals I correspond with put replies on the top.


As long as they're comprehendable (or is that comprehensible?), I really 
don't care.


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Re: [Finale] Trouble adding a natural to a note.

2006-12-15 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
At 04:03 PM 12/15/06 -0500, dhbailey wrote:
>And Dennis' remark that the * key will work if the cursor is on the 
>original position doesn't hold true in Fin2007, at least when I change a 
>G to Abb using the enharmonic key (9).  I notice that it DOES work when 
>it's a simpler change, such as Ab to G# or vice versa.  But when it's G 
>to Abb, it doesn't work.

I'll have to check that. I am using F2K7 on one machine, and didn't try the
double-flat test.

Yup, I'm back. This is the new motherboard, CPU and memory. All seems to be
working just fine. Under three hours -- not so bad.

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Re: [Finale] "Last word" arguments

2006-12-15 Thread Aaron Sherber

At 04:25 PM 12/15/2006, Eric Dannewitz wrote:
>Yes, it is. Snipping off really old replies makes sense. But scrolling
>all the way down to read someone's reply.seems silly.but then
>again, people do silly things

Butbut...but...it's not 'scrolling all the way down' if you've 
trimmed judiciously. If you only quote the bits you're replying to, 
then your reply is immediately visible, kind of like this one.


Here, go look at these:




These pages refer to Usenet postings, but they apply equally well to 
email discussions.


I'm not going to add any more to this thread. I have a hunch it's 
only going to start to get nasty.


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Re: [Finale] "Last word" arguments

2006-12-15 Thread Eric Dannewitz
Yes, it is. Snipping off really old replies makes sense. But scrolling 
all the way down to read someone's reply.seems silly.but then 
again, people do silly things


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I prefer the new message at the top and the quotes underneath. If I'm  
interested enough to look at the quotes I'll scroll down.  
 
It's a bit like tea and milk this isn't it?
 
All the best,
 
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Re: [Finale] "Last word" arguments

2006-12-15 Thread dhbailey

Eric Dannewitz wrote:
Erg. Whatever. I think it's insane to wade through all the quotes/quotes 
and more quotes to read something at the END of a message. If people 
replied at the top to messages, you can still see the order of the 
"conversation" and easily see what the person had to say.


Isn't that what is more important, keeping the order of the conversation 
intact?



[snip]

Yes, keeping the order of conversation intact is the most important, and 
since there's no uniform way for e-mail clients to do this, we end up 
with replies on both ends of an original message, which no clue whether 
the newest response is replying to the original message, which lies 
immediately below it (assuming the newest responder is a top-responder) 
or the first reply which lies below the original message (assuming the 
first reply came from a bottom-responder.)


Ultimately I don't care whether people reply on top or bottom as long as 
the logical flow of the conversation is clear.  And it seems that it 
most clear most of the time when people simply bottom respond following 
previous postings, snipping whatever is extraneous to a clear 
understanding of the conversation even for a person who is just entering 
the conversation reading that message.


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Re: [Finale] "Last word" arguments

2006-12-15 Thread dhbailey


Eric Dannewitz wrote:
Well, it doesn't make sense. Sites like Digg, Slashdot, MacDailyNews, 
MacNN.Yahoo News...


All those have new items at the top. Doesn't it make sense then that 
messages and Blog and Email software work the same way?



[snip]

News sites I can understanding the newest items at the top, because 
they're not threads of conversations, which are best understood when 
read from beginning (original statements) to end (newest statements).


e-mail responses, however, are like conversations which make best sense 
when read in chronological sequence of oldest to newest.



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Re: [Finale] O.T. : Ahmet Ertegun (founder of Atlantic Records) passed away

2006-12-15 Thread Chuck Israels

About Ahmed Ertegun:

The Ertegun brothers (I knew Neshui better) were lovely people.   
There are few left from this era.  I have heard from Jerry Wexler,  
one of the partners and producers at Atlantic (involved in Ray  
Charles recordings for that label).  He is living in Florida.  Don't  
know if their engineer, Tom Dowd, is still alive or not, but the  
actor they got to play him in the "Ray" movie looked very much the  
way I remember him as a young man.


Orrin Keepnews - the Riverside Records honcho who produced early Bill  
Evans and many Monk recordings is living in San Francisco.


George Avakian is in his 80's, active, alert, and great to know.  I  
run into him from time to time, as we are both fans of Dave Berger's  
Sultans of Swing, and we meet occasionally at their performances.   
George was the producer responsible for the Miles Davis/Gil Evans  
recordings on Columbia, financed largely from profits from the  
international pop division, of which George was in charge.  It's hard  
to imagine my musical world had George not had the vision to take  
that chance.


Would that I had had the perspective to recognize the extraordinary  
commitment and courage of these people when I first knew them.


Chuck


On Dec 15, 2006, at 11:58 AM, Kim Patrick Clow wrote:


I know there are  many fans of Jazz on this list (and blues as well):

"Ahmet Ertegun, Founding Chairman of Atlantic Records, passed away on
December 14, 2006 in New York City at the age of 83. He had been
hospitalized with a head injury since October 29th, when he fell
backstage at a Rolling Stones concert at the Beacon Theatre in
Manhattan."

http://www.atlanticrecords.com has a wonderful tribute to Ahmet.

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Re: [Finale] Trouble adding a natural to a note.

2006-12-15 Thread dhbailey

Rich Caldwell wrote:

On Dec 15, 2006, at 8:22 AM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote:
Oh, yes, that happened yesterday, but it affects not only the * but 
also +
and - (in Speedy). The cursor has to be in the note's original 
position to

work. So if it was A-flat enharmonically changed (Speedy "9") to G-sharp,
the * key will not work unless the cursor is still on the A position. 
Since
I've only had 2K7 for a few days and only for one client, I had taken 
this

as some setting in 2K7 that I'd missed.


That bug bothered me more than any other until I realized that the 'A' 
key (unfortunately at the opposite end of the keyboard) does the trick.  
It's for "courtesy accidentals" - even though the manual doesn't say to 
use it for courtesy accidentals.



That still doesn't solve the issue of being able to display or hide an 
accidental the way that the * key allows.  That A key does nothing when 
the enharmonic shift

involves a double flat.

And Dennis' remark that the * key will work if the cursor is on the 
original position doesn't hold true in Fin2007, at least when I change a 
G to Abb using the enharmonic key (9).  I notice that it DOES work when 
it's a simpler change, such as Ab to G# or vice versa.  But when it's G 
to Abb, it doesn't work.  G# to Ab, though, the * works as it should no 
matter where it is, on the enharmonic note or the original pitch or even 
on a different pitch altogether as long as it's in the correct slot in 
the measure.


It appears as if this bug only manifests itself when the enharmonic 
shift involves double accidentals, regardless of whether it's 
double-flats or double-sharps.




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[Finale] O.T. : Ahmet Ertegun (founder of Atlantic Records) passed away

2006-12-15 Thread Kim Patrick Clow

I know there are  many fans of Jazz on this list (and blues as well):

"Ahmet Ertegun, Founding Chairman of Atlantic Records, passed away on
December 14, 2006 in New York City at the age of 83. He had been
hospitalized with a head injury since October 29th, when he fell
backstage at a Rolling Stones concert at the Beacon Theatre in
Manhattan."

http://www.atlanticrecords.com has a wonderful tribute to Ahmet.

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Re: [Finale] "Last word" arguments

2006-12-15 Thread YATESLAWRENCE
 
In a message dated 15/12/2006 20:13:53 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
writes:

"Eric  Dannewitz wrote:
>Erg. Whatever. I think it's insane to wade through all  the quotes/quotes
>and more quotes to read something at the END of a  message. "


I prefer the new message at the top and the quotes underneath. If I'm  
interested enough to look at the quotes I'll scroll down.  
 
It's a bit like tea and milk this isn't it?
 
All the best,
 
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Re: [Finale] "Last word" arguments

2006-12-15 Thread Aaron Sherber

At 01:27 PM 12/15/2006, Eric Dannewitz wrote:
>Erg. Whatever. I think it's insane to wade through all the quotes/quotes
>and more quotes to read something at the END of a message. 

That's the point that some of us have been trying to make: Part of 
proper email etiquette involves trimming the material you're replying 
to (as I have done here) so that you *don't* need to wade through 
yards of material.


Aaron.

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[Finale] Engraver Time Font

2006-12-15 Thread FinaleMAC
Hi,

I'm working on a score using the large time signatures from the Engraver Time 
font.   But I need the cut-time character which isn't included.   I seem to 
remember that someone had modified this font in the past to include this.   
Does anyone have any information where I can find this?

Thanks in advance
FM
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[Finale] RE: iKey

2006-12-15 Thread shirling & neueweise


John Hinchey john at hincheymusic.com

For example, I want a key stroke for 'show active layer only.'  are 
you able to do something similar to this with ikey and Finale 2007?


yeah, same as in 2005, except that i'm using 
iKey1.   from what i understand it should be the 
same idea, just more complicated... er i mean uh 
challenging to set up.


open the iKey editor, open your script, select general and set the keystroke.

if the thing is copied over from an earlier 
version of finale, as i said, the menus have 
changed, so any sequence accessing menus (or 
submenus) "By index" instead of "By name 
beginning" will no longer work; set "Selection" 
to "By name beginning", click on the menu-looking 
button near upper left and follow instructions.


here is how i have it setup (you can se the order of opened windows):
http://newmusicnotation.com/TEMPFILES/iKey_active-layer.pdf

cheers,
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[Finale] RE: iKey

2006-12-15 Thread John Hinchey

Hi Shirling,

Thanks for posting on my question.  I had it working on another  
computer on Fin 2005 but ikey2 on my new G5 with Finale 2006, I  
haven't been able to get it to work at all.


For example, I want a key stroke for 'show active layer only.'  are  
you able to do something similar to this with ikey and Finale 2007?


Regards,
John

John Hinchey
Hinchey Music Services Inc.


John Hinchey


Anyone successfully using iKey with Finale 2006 or 2007.



you have to make a new set (duplicate and rename the old one) so that
it works in F07; also since the menus have changed (i upgraded from
2005 to 2007, so this may or may not apply to updating from 2006),
you will have to update a number of your scripts.

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Re: [Finale] Finale 2006 scroll hang

2006-12-15 Thread Eric Dannewitz
Well, not the same setup, but you could try deleting the Finale 
Preferences file. I had an issue on my iMac where it couldn't adjust 
page margins in Page view (the menu selection), and deleting that file 
solved it. I think it is in UserName/Library/Preferences/ and the file 
is Finale 2007 Preferences


And make sure you email Finale Support as well ;-)

John Hinchey wrote:

Hi,

I've got a problem with Finale 2006d & 2007.  When I tried to scroll 
in scroll view (or mixer) more that a couple of bars at a time,
Finale hangs (beach ball) and I have to force quit.  It's to the point 
where I can't work, on this file.
I'm on a G5 dual 2.5 with 5 gig or ram and a Dell 24" monitor, OSX 
10.4.8.


Anyone else using this setup successfully?

Regards,
John Hinchey


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Re: [Finale] "Last word" arguments

2006-12-15 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
At 12:49 PM 12/15/06 -0500, Phil Daley wrote:
>I would expect to see primary posts date ordered from newest to oldest.
>I would expect to see replies to primary posts from oldest to newest.

There are no replies. It's just a weblog, a book-blog, so to speak. If an
interesting comment is made via the contact form, it may end up (with
permission) in a future commentary.

Going down for a hardware upgrade. Gulp. New motherboard, CPU and memory.
With luck, I'll be posting back here in a few hours...

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[Finale] Finale 2006 scroll hang

2006-12-15 Thread John Hinchey

Hi,

I've got a problem with Finale 2006d & 2007.  When I tried to scroll  
in scroll view (or mixer) more that a couple of bars at a time,
Finale hangs (beach ball) and I have to force quit.  It's to the  
point where I can't work, on this file.
I'm on a G5 dual 2.5 with 5 gig or ram and a Dell 24" monitor, OSX  
10.4.8.


Anyone else using this setup successfully?

Regards,
John Hinchey




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Re: [Finale] Re: baseline positioning of expressions

2006-12-15 Thread Noel Stoutenburg

Christopher Smith wrote:

I have never grasped the 4th triangle in the other tools either. And 
furthermore, the definitions you quoted above are news to me, as I had 
always assumed that they were identical to the 4 triangles in the 
other tools like lyrics and chords. But since I don't touch them as a 
rule...


In the lyrics tool, the fourth (right most) triangle affects the 
baseline position of only the active syllable; the next triangle to the 
left affects the baseline of the a lyric line containing the active 
syllable for a single staff in a system which has been optimized; the 
next triangle to the left affects the baseline of the lyric containing 
the active syllable for the entire work; the left-most triangle affects 
the baseline of all lyrics in the work globally.


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Re: [Finale] "Last word" arguments

2006-12-15 Thread Phil Daley

At 12/15/2006 12:36 PM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote:

>At 09:17 AM 12/15/06 -0800, Mark D Lew wrote:
>>I've long felt the same way about blogs, which are essentially built as
>>a perpetual top-post.  Why can't they add new items to the bottom and
>>push old ones off the top, instead of vice versa?  As far as I can
>>tell, the blogging softwares don't even offer that as an option.
>>I'm used to it by now, but I've always thought it was stupid.
>
>It's funny about that. My blog is set up as daily commentaries (not using
>blogging software), one commentary per day, oldest first, and I've received
>complaints that it doesn't make sense that way, even though it has an
>up-front index. :)

I don't think it is the order of primary posts.

It is the order of "replies to primary posts".

I would expect to see primary posts date ordered from newest to oldest.

I would expect to see replies to primary posts from oldest to newest.

I guess you have it half right ;-)

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Re: [Finale] Re: smart shape bug?

2006-12-15 Thread Aaron Sherber

At 12:14 PM 12/15/2006, shirling & neueweise wrote:
>i would expect that if finale was aware of the bug in 2006 it would
>have been fixed for 2007.

Hahahahahaha..

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Re: [Finale] "Last word" arguments

2006-12-15 Thread Eric Dannewitz
Does it really matter if you have a conversation stacked at the top or 
at the bottom? You said the sequentially is more important. Don't we 
kind of get that anyways with the nested replies? The move more to the 
right the older they are?


And the quote at the end wasn't needed. I could say something about 
people who are fixed in their ways or habits but I won't



Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote:

At 09:52 AM 12/15/06 -0800, Eric Dannewitz wrote:
  
Well, it doesn't make sense. Sites like Digg, Slashdot, MacDailyNews, 
MacNN.Yahoo News...
All those have new items at the top. Doesn't it make sense then that 
messages and Blog and Email software work the same way?



Following what is contextually appropriate makes much more sense. News
(time-sensitive) is not the same as discussion (verbally sequential). A
blog might be either subject-sensitive (such as mine) or time-sensitive.
Emerson said it best: "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little
minds."

Dennis
  

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Re: [Finale] "Last word" arguments

2006-12-15 Thread Eric Dannewitz
Erg. Whatever. I think it's insane to wade through all the quotes/quotes 
and more quotes to read something at the END of a message. If people 
replied at the top to messages, you can still see the order of the 
"conversation" and easily see what the person had to say.


Isn't that what is more important, keeping the order of the conversation 
intact?


Aaron Sherber wrote:

At 12:52 PM 12/15/2006, Eric Dannewitz wrote:
>Well, it doesn't make sense. Sites like Digg, Slashdot, MacDailyNews,
>MacNN.Yahoo News...
>
>All those have new items at the top. Doesn't it make sense then that
>messages and Blog and Email software work the same way?

No, it doesn't. An email thread is a conversation. You want to read 
what someone said and then what the reply is. On blogs and news sites, 
the articles are not related to one another in that way, and when you 
go to the site you generally want to see the newest things first.


On the other hand, if you really like to see older things first, you 
can use an RSS reader or aggregator to read your news and blogs. They 
let you sort the items oldest first.


Aaron.


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Re: [Finale] "Last word" arguments

2006-12-15 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
At 09:52 AM 12/15/06 -0800, Eric Dannewitz wrote:
>Well, it doesn't make sense. Sites like Digg, Slashdot, MacDailyNews, 
>MacNN.Yahoo News...
>All those have new items at the top. Doesn't it make sense then that 
>messages and Blog and Email software work the same way?

Following what is contextually appropriate makes much more sense. News
(time-sensitive) is not the same as discussion (verbally sequential). A
blog might be either subject-sensitive (such as mine) or time-sensitive.
Emerson said it best: "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little
minds."

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Re: [Finale] "Last word" arguments

2006-12-15 Thread Aaron Sherber

At 12:52 PM 12/15/2006, Eric Dannewitz wrote:
>Well, it doesn't make sense. Sites like Digg, Slashdot, MacDailyNews,
>MacNN.Yahoo News...
>
>All those have new items at the top. Doesn't it make sense then that
>messages and Blog and Email software work the same way?

No, it doesn't. An email thread is a conversation. You want to read 
what someone said and then what the reply is. On blogs and news 
sites, the articles are not related to one another in that way, and 
when you go to the site you generally want to see the newest things first.


On the other hand, if you really like to see older things first, you 
can use an RSS reader or aggregator to read your news and blogs. They 
let you sort the items oldest first.


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Re: [Finale] "Last word" arguments

2006-12-15 Thread Eric Dannewitz
Well, it doesn't make sense. Sites like Digg, Slashdot, MacDailyNews, 
MacNN.Yahoo News...


All those have new items at the top. Doesn't it make sense then that 
messages and Blog and Email software work the same way?


Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote:

At 09:17 AM 12/15/06 -0800, Mark D Lew wrote:
  
I've long felt the same way about blogs, which are essentially built as 
a perpetual top-post.  Why can't they add new items to the bottom and 
push old ones off the top, instead of vice versa?  As far as I can 
tell, the blogging softwares don't even offer that as an option.

I'm used to it by now, but I've always thought it was stupid.



It's funny about that. My blog is set up as daily commentaries (not using
blogging software), one commentary per day, oldest first, and I've received
complaints that it doesn't make sense that way, even though it has an
up-front index. :)

Dennis






  


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Re: [Finale] Re: smart shape bug?

2006-12-15 Thread Christopher Smith


On Dec 15, 2006, at 12:45 PM, Aaron Sherber wrote:


At 12:14 PM 12/15/2006, shirling & neueweise wrote:
>i would expect that if finale was aware of the bug in 2006 it would
>have been fixed for 2007.

Hahahahahaha..


Heh heh... umm... right...

A certain bug involving chord symbols not transposing when using  
chromatic transposition staves comes to mind... this one since, oh,  
about FOREVER! (grumble, grumble)


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Re: [Finale] "Last word" arguments

2006-12-15 Thread Christopher Smith


On Dec 15, 2006, at 12:17 PM, Mark D Lew wrote:



I've long felt the same way about blogs, which are essentially  
built as a perpetual top-post.  Why can't they add new items to the  
bottom and push old ones off the top, instead of vice versa?  As  
far as I can tell, the blogging softwares don't even offer that as  
an option.


I'm used to it by now, but I've always thought it was stupid.


And here I thought  was the only fossil around who thought that!

Christopher

(and try emphasising the  like that in HTML messages - weird  
things happen! Maybe if I understood HTML...)




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Re: [Finale] "Last word" arguments

2006-12-15 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
At 09:17 AM 12/15/06 -0800, Mark D Lew wrote:
>I've long felt the same way about blogs, which are essentially built as 
>a perpetual top-post.  Why can't they add new items to the bottom and 
>push old ones off the top, instead of vice versa?  As far as I can 
>tell, the blogging softwares don't even offer that as an option.
>I'm used to it by now, but I've always thought it was stupid.

It's funny about that. My blog is set up as daily commentaries (not using
blogging software), one commentary per day, oldest first, and I've received
complaints that it doesn't make sense that way, even though it has an
up-front index. :)

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Re: [Finale] "Last word" arguments

2006-12-15 Thread Mark D Lew


On Dec 15, 2006, at 3:36 AM, Phil Daley wrote:

I often get work messages that are forwarded to me after a week or two 
of top posting, ie. 20 replies.


The only way to read them is to go to the bottom and scroll upwards.

Seems dumb, to me.


I've long felt the same way about blogs, which are essentially built as 
a perpetual top-post.  Why can't they add new items to the bottom and 
push old ones off the top, instead of vice versa?  As far as I can 
tell, the blogging softwares don't even offer that as an option.


I'm used to it by now, but I've always thought it was stupid.

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[Finale] Re: smart shape bug?

2006-12-15 Thread shirling & neueweise


i would expect that if finale was aware of the bug in 2006 it would 
have been fixed for 2007.


but i expect too much sometimes.


Fisher, Allen afisher at makemusic.com

This sounds familiar, there was an issue with SmartShapes in Finale 2006
that was solved by loading a Doc options library. Try doing that.


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RE: [Finale] smart shape bug?

2006-12-15 Thread Fisher, Allen
This sounds familiar, there was an issue with SmartShapes in Finale 2006
that was solved by loading a Doc options library. Try doing that. 

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> Subject: RE: [Finale] smart shape bug?
> 
> You may want to reinstall Finale. 
> 
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> Subject: Re: [Finale] smart shape bug?
> 
> Derek Kane wrote:
> > Greetings,
> > 
> > I have just begun to work with Finale 2007 PC on my XP machine.
> > 
> > When I try to add a smart shape to a score (i.e. slur, crescendo, 
> > decrescendo), finale crashes.  It's nothing dramatic, finale just 
> > disappears.  Has anyone else experienced this?  If so, is there a 
> > quick solution?
> > 
> 
> I haven't run into that on my machine -- and I've opened 
> files from previous
> versions as well as files I've started in 2007.
> 
> Perhaps a list of other applications you're running at the 
> same time, how
> much RAM you've got available, maybe a bit more precision 
> with what steps
> you're doing immediately before Finale disappears.
> 
> If none of us had been able to use Smart Shapes in 2007 
> without the program
> disappearing, you'd better believe you would have heard of it 
> long before
> the end of November!
> 
> 
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[Finale] Re: iKey

2006-12-15 Thread shirling & neueweise


John Hinchey

Anyone successfully using iKey with Finale 2006 or 2007.


you have to make a new set (duplicate and rename the old one) so that 
it works in F07; also since the menus have changed (i upgraded from 
2005 to 2007, so this may or may not apply to updating from 2006), 
you will have to update a number of your scripts.


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Re: [Finale] Trouble adding a natural to a note.

2006-12-15 Thread Rich Caldwell

On Dec 15, 2006, at 8:22 AM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote:
Oh, yes, that happened yesterday, but it affects not only the * but  
also +
and - (in Speedy). The cursor has to be in the note's original  
position to
work. So if it was A-flat enharmonically changed (Speedy "9") to G- 
sharp,
the * key will not work unless the cursor is still on the A  
position. Since
I've only had 2K7 for a few days and only for one client, I had  
taken this

as some setting in 2K7 that I'd missed.


That bug bothered me more than any other until I realized that the  
'A' key (unfortunately at the opposite end of the keyboard) does the  
trick.  It's for "courtesy accidentals" - even though the manual  
doesn't say to use it for courtesy accidentals.


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RE: [Finale] lyric question

2006-12-15 Thread Fisher, Allen
I would much rather have them Decimal-alligned... 

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> 
> On 5 Dec 2006 at 16:23, dhbailey wrote:
> 
> > You need to use a non-breaking space, often called a hard space,
> > instead of a regular space.  You can insert one on PCs by 
> holding down
> > the ALT key and pressing the numbers 0160 on your numeric 
> keypad.  The
> > Finale will treat it as another character so your first 
> syllable will
> > appear to be "1. A" and will all go under the first note.
> 
> Oughtn't this be an option for lyrics, so that if you used verses, 
> you could check off a box in lyric options that would put in the 
> verse numbers, left aligned before the beginning of the text? 
> 
> Perhaps there could be repercussions to that approach that I've not 
> thought of?
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RE: [Finale] Move authorization?

2006-12-15 Thread Fisher, Allen
On the old computer:
Help-->Deauthorize Finale (internet connection required)

On the new computer:
Help-->Authorize Finale and complete the authorization wizard.

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> Subject: [Finale] Move authorization?
> 
> Hey all,
> 
> In Fin2k7, wasn't there supposed to be some way to move an  
> authorization from one computer to another, or to de-authorize an  
> existing computer, without having to call MM during business hours?
> 
> If so, uh, how do I do that?
> 
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[Finale] Re: repeats + time sigs cause cautionary time sig shift

2006-12-15 Thread shirling & neueweise


Fisher, Allen afisher at makemusic.com
I can. If you unlock the measures the time sig will shift back where 
it belongs...



 can anyone confirm this?


just to make sure i understand you correctly, you are NOT saying this 
behaviour is intentional, right?


i.e. it is a bug?

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[Finale] Re: Merge layers

2006-12-15 Thread John Hinchey

Dear Richard and all,

Thanks, that is the way I have been doing it, but I was hoping there  
was a simpler way.


Regards,
John Hinchey


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Message: 33
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 21:02:12 -0800
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Subject: RE: [Finale] Merge layers
To: 
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Am I missing something.  Is there a way to merge notes from
several layers all into layer 1 on a staff?


It takes a few steps:
Make a separate staff for each layer.
Move each layer into layer 1 on its own staff.
Select all staves.
Mass mover --> Mass Edit --> Utilities --> implode music.
Delete the extra staves.

Richard Yates


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[Finale] iKey

2006-12-15 Thread John Hinchey

Hi all,

Anyone successfully using iKey with Finale 2006 or 2007.  I had the  
old version working with Finale 2005 but can get this new one to

do anything with 2006 and 2007.

Regards,
John Hinchey


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Re: [Finale] Merge layers

2006-12-15 Thread Gerald Berg
Nope -- on 2005d anyways.  Best thing I know is multi staff the part 
move all to layer one and implode.


Jerry

Gerald Berg
On 14-Dec-06, at 11:23 PM, John Hinchey wrote:


Hi all,

Am I missing something.  Is there a way to merge notes from several 
layers all into layer 1 on a staff?
I'm opening some XMLs that have notes in several layers on a staff 
(same rhythm in all layers) and I

want to merge them into a chord all in layer one.

Regards,
John Hinchey




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RE: [Finale] Re: repeats + time sigs cause cautionary time sig shift

2006-12-15 Thread Fisher, Allen
I can. If you unlock the measures the time sig will shift back where it
belongs...

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> To: finale@shsu.edu
> Subject: [Finale] Re: repeats + time sigs cause cautionary 
> time sig shift
> 
> 
> this seems to be because finale does NOT take the document settings 
> (*) from "document options: repeats" into account when time signature 
> changes AND repeat measures appear in the same system.   however, it 
> does adjust for changes to thin and thick barlines in the barline 
> "document options: barlines".   and when time sig changes appear in 
> the system with no repeats, or repeats with no time sig changes, 
> changes to either of the doc option dialogues is taken into account.
> 
> i also just noticed that the cautionary time sig sits in a different 
> position according to the number of repeat measures in the system, 
> and that this behaviour is the opposite as described above: the more 
> repeats, the further LEFT the cautionary time sig sits
> 
> can anyone confirm this?
> 
> (*) i have thicker thin and thick lines than the anemic default 
> finale settings.
> 
> 
> At 02:35 +0100 12/15/06, shirling & neueweise wrote:
> >can someone confirm this? the more time sig changes you have in a 
> >systyem where repeats bars are also present, the more outside the 
> >right side of the system the cautionary time sig sits?
> >
> >i know i can adjust this using "page layout: system space after 
> >music", but this shouldn't happen in the first place.
> 
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[Finale] Re: baseline positioning of expressions

2006-12-15 Thread shirling & neueweise



 > Christopher Smith hath wrat:
or "wrot", which might describe it better, too! 8-)


would it be "he wrot" or "he hath wrot" (jeez, sounds nasty, you 
should see someone about that!)?



 >> - Moving the leftmost baseline triangle (all staves/all systems) 

 in the Score effects all Parts.


They must mean "affects."


strange, don't think i've ever come across errors in the 
documentation before...




...



...



...




Tacet parts
A page containing only the title, composer, and page text, and a 
note to "tacet" or "tacit" informs

the player to rest for that entire movement/act of a musical/etc.


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RE: [Finale] Trouble adding a natural to a note.

2006-12-15 Thread Richard Yates
 
>I believe it becomes unresponsive when a note has been 
>enharmonically changed. From memory, sometimes pressing the 
>asterisk on the previous enharmonic note will work.
>Éric

Confirmed here (FinWin2k7). Bad bug.

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Re: [Finale] Trouble adding a natural to a note.

2006-12-15 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
At 06:19 AM 12/15/06 -0500, Éric Dussault wrote:
>I believe it becomes unresponsive when a note has been enharmonically  
>changed. From memory, sometimes pressing the asterisk on the previous  
>enharmonic note will work.

Oh, yes, that happened yesterday, but it affects not only the * but also +
and - (in Speedy). The cursor has to be in the note's original position to
work. So if it was A-flat enharmonically changed (Speedy "9") to G-sharp,
the * key will not work unless the cursor is still on the A position. Since
I've only had 2K7 for a few days and only for one client, I had taken this
as some setting in 2K7 that I'd missed.

2K7 so far has lots of strange behavior. The mass edit - select region -
apply note spacing doesn't work at all for me from the menu, but works from
the right-click (context) menu. Again, I haven't figured out if this is a
setting thing new to 2K7.

Dennis


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Re: [Finale] Re: baseline positioning of expressions

2006-12-15 Thread Christopher Smith


On Dec 15, 2006, at 6:38 AM, shirling & neueweise wrote:



Christopher Smith hath wrat:


or "wrot", which might describe it better, too! 8-)


I have never touched my baseline heights, preferring to
adjust vertical offsets in the expressions themselves for automatic
placement purposes.


i do much the same, reading my comment again i see it wasn't really  
clear that i was talking about the triangles you can adjust on the  
left of the screen.  from the manual chapter 37-23:



Baseline Positioning in linked parts
- Moving the leftmost baseline triangle (all staves/all systems)  
in the Score effects all Parts.


They must mean "affects."


- Moving the 2nd baseline triangle (entire staff) in the Score  
applies to all parts that contain that staff.
- Moving the 3rd baseline triangle (single system) has no effect  
on parts, only the score.

- Moving the 4th baseline triangle has no effect in any part.


uh... so what does the 4th triangle do then that the 3rd can't do?




I have never grasped the 4th triangle in the other tools either. And  
furthermore, the definitions you quoted above are news to me, as I  
had always assumed that they were identical to the 4 triangles in the  
other tools like lyrics and chords. But since I don't touch them as a  
rule...



actually... thinking a little about this i see they could be quite  
useful for lower staves of grand staff parts and vocal parts, where  
the dynamics should sit above the staff; instead of manually  
adjusting each expression vertically.


There you go!

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Re: [Finale] Trouble adding a natural to a note.

2006-12-15 Thread Éric Dussault


Le 06-12-15 à 06:13, dhbailey a écrit :



What's the major bug in this area?  Is it a Mac-only thing?  On my  
Windows machine, this "force display of accidental" works just fine.


I believe it becomes unresponsive when a note has been enharmonically  
changed. From memory, sometimes pressing the asterisk on the previous  
enharmonic note will work.


Éric

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Re: [Finale] "Last word" arguments

2006-12-15 Thread Phil Daley

At 12/14/2006 10:12 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:

>I find that top posting tends to encourage superficial replies,
>whereas interleaved bottom posting allows for a detailed response.
>It's also my experience that many people who top post just don't read
>through to the end of what they are replying to. Since I tend to
>write detailed messages, this always annoys the hell out of me,
>particularly with my clients.

I agree with this David, too. ;-)

I often get work messages that are forwarded to me after a week or two of 
top posting, ie. 20 replies.


The only way to read them is to go to the bottom and scroll upwards.

Seems dumb, to me.

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[Finale] Re: baseline positioning of expressions

2006-12-15 Thread shirling & neueweise


Christopher Smith hath wrat:

I have never touched my baseline heights, preferring to
adjust vertical offsets in the expressions themselves for automatic
placement purposes.


i do much the same, reading my comment again i see it wasn't really 
clear that i was talking about the triangles you can adjust on the 
left of the screen.  from the manual chapter 37-23:



Baseline Positioning in linked parts
- Moving the leftmost baseline triangle (all staves/all systems) in 
the Score effects all Parts.
- Moving the 2nd baseline triangle (entire staff) in the Score 
applies to all parts that contain that staff.
- Moving the 3rd baseline triangle (single system) has no effect on 
parts, only the score.

- Moving the 4th baseline triangle has no effect in any part.


uh... so what does the 4th triangle do then that the 3rd can't do?

actually... thinking a little about this i see they could be quite 
useful for lower staves of grand staff parts and vocal parts, where 
the dynamics should sit above the staff; instead of manually 
adjusting each expression vertically.


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Re: [Finale] "Last word" arguments

2006-12-15 Thread Phil Daley

At 12/14/2006 04:42 PM, dhbailey wrote:

>I think the bad thing about top-posting is that it is too easy to simply
>type a "me too" response without even looking at how much quoted
>material there is.
>
>At least when you reply at the bottom, it's a bit more obvious whether
>there's a ton of stuff above your reply or not, and can do some
>judicious snipping.

I agree with David.

Also, it's impossible to insert answers to multiple questions "in-line" 
when using a "top post" style.


Unfortunately, Outlook presents this as the only possibility, as far as I 
know.  I am a newbie on Outlook, having used Eudora since V2.


But the company requires Outlook for internal email.

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Re: [Finale] Trouble adding a natural to a note.

2006-12-15 Thread dhbailey

Johannes Gebauer wrote:

On 15.12.2006 Kim Patrick Clow wrote:

The note that is pointed with an arrow (G), needs a natural added to
it. But Finale will not let me (I'm assuming because it thinks this
note hasn't had a # before). What would be a solution to adding a
natural sign?


Many have given you the correct reply. However, it may not work in 2k7, 
which has a rather major bug in this area. You can fix it by doing this 
in Simple instead of Speedy. Hopefully 2k7a will fix this.


Johannes



What's the major bug in this area?  Is it a Mac-only thing?  On my 
Windows machine, this "force display of accidental" works just fine.


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Re: [Finale] Trouble adding a natural to a note.

2006-12-15 Thread Johannes Gebauer

On 15.12.2006 Kim Patrick Clow wrote:

The note that is pointed with an arrow (G), needs a natural added to
it. But Finale will not let me (I'm assuming because it thinks this
note hasn't had a # before). What would be a solution to adding a
natural sign?


Many have given you the correct reply. However, it may not work in 2k7, 
which has a rather major bug in this area. You can fix it by doing this 
in Simple instead of Speedy. Hopefully 2k7a will fix this.


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Re: [Finale] Trouble adding a natural to a note.

2006-12-15 Thread Raimund Lintzen
Keith and all,


in Simple entry(Win) it is 'ctrl-shift--(minus)


Best wishes
 
Raimund Lintzen



keith helgesen schrieb:
> 
> OK Gurus- now- how does one do this in Simple entry? Not Speedy.
> 
> We are talking about simply stating (for whatever reason) that a note should
> be sharp, flat, or natural- yes?
> 
> I have asked this before and somehow never got an answer.
> 
> Cheers Keith in OZ
> 
> Keith Helgesen.
> Director of Music, Canberra City Band.
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> Michael L. Meyer
> Sent: Friday, 15 December 2006 4:05 PM
> To: finale@shsu.edu
> Subject: Re: [Finale] Trouble adding a natural to a note.
> 
> On 12/14/06 11:48 PM, "Kim Patrick Clow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > http://www.bytenet.net/kpclow/finale/flat-to-add.jpg
> >
> > The note that is pointed with an arrow (G), needs a natural added to
> > it. But Finale will not let me (I'm assuming because it thinks this
> > note hasn't had a # before). What would be a solution to adding a
> > natural sign?
> 
> Hi Kim --
> 
> I assume you just mean to add a courtesy accidental.  I don't know how you
> do it in anything other than Speedy entry, but in Speedy entry, put the
> cursor on the note in question and press asterisk (*).
> 
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