Re: [Finale] Finale 2012 released
On 2011-10-08 06:24, Chuck Israels wrote: Definitely helpful for more useful playback of saxophone/ww parts in my scores. It should make it easy to switch to ww doubles and back - something I never took the trouble to do in the old system (too complicated for my brain - easier to imagine the correct sound). Maybe it will be easier to change instruments (cup mute trumpet/open trumpet) rather than to rely on keyswitches - also something I could not get to work properly, although I know HP would do this. And the instrument concept goes deeper than just make it easier to change an instrument mid-score, since Finale will now actually KNOW what instrument it is. Now you could claim that it's a bug if a plug-in puts string harmonics in a flute part, for example. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale 2012 released
Those were string harmonics? Some time ago I entered the flute and bass lines for a sonata by Francesco Mancini (not Henry’s father, as this is music from baroque London) into FM2011. Playback drove me insane as there were occasional 3 and 4 part chords. From my years as a recorder teacher I knew that difference notes could occur in two-part playing, and especially when between sopraninos these difference notes would rattle my eardrums in an unpleasant way. So I thought there were difference notes coming out of my speaker cones. My plan was and is to make a 4 part version of this sonata for flute and recorder quartets, possibly also for other winds or brasses. I opened my raw sketch in FM2012, and the playback of the solo line was immensely much better, whereas the bass line was muddy when harp was chosen. No harmonic/chords, thank you! I started the flute version by transposing the bass line up an octave and set flute as instrument. Not good, as there is no playback below B natural just below middle C. Garritan apparently has no options for bass flute and not even for alto flute. My solution was to use SmartMusic set to recorder for that part. The combination gives good clarity so far. And then I had problems reordering my staves, until I tried to drag them in the score manager. Very easy. Klaus From: Jari Williamsson jari.williams...@mailbox.swipnet.se Now you could claim that it's a bug if a plug-in puts string harmonics in a flute part, for example. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale 2012 Review
On 10/7/2011 8:52 PM, Jari Williamsson wrote: Hello! My Finale 2012 Review (with some tips) is now available on the Finale Tips site: www.finaletips.nu Let me know if you spot any errors regarding words, spelling, information, etc. Best regards, Jari Williamsson Jari, Thank you very much for this review of Finale2012. I noticed one small typo that I wouldn't mention except that you asked: Under the Repertoire Library heading, in your 2nd paragraph you have: The really good thing about the new Repertorie additions is that it really try to show The verb should be tries instead of try in order to agree with the most recent subject it. So you could change the verb or you could change it to they and leave try as it is. As always, your insights are very much appreciated, as is your work on the plug-ins! Thanks, David H. Bailey -- David H. Bailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Scrolling bar by bar in FM2012?
Working on some counterpoint lines it would be practical for me to go back one or two bars to the left in scroll view. But I don’t see the small left and right triads to click like I used to. The score jumps by almost a full screen with. (My tech English is bad, so I likely use wrong terms). Klaus ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Font problem in Finale 2012
Yesterday I bought the upgrade to Finale 2012. I installed it properly on my iMac but when I open the program there are no fonts. ¿What should I do to correct this problem? Thanks in advance Alberto Guzmán ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Font problem in Finale 2012
I had the problem of fonts not displaying right. I saw this on the Finale forum. It fixed it for me. http://makemusic.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/749/kw/749/r_id/101773 It's a link to download all the fonts again. Hope that helps. - Nigel Hanley On 09/10/2011, at 12:13 AM, Alberto Guzmán Naranjo wrote: Yesterday I bought the upgrade to Finale 2012. I installed it properly on my iMac but when I open the program there are no fonts. ¿What should I do to correct this problem? Thanks in advance Alberto Guzmán ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Font problem in Finale 2012
Thanks. I downloaded the FontPack (I'm in mac) but I can't save the file in my Desktop. So, I can't double-click the download in order tu reinstall the fonts 2011/10/8 Nigel Hanley i...@nigelhanley.com I had the problem of fonts not displaying right. I saw this on the Finale forum. It fixed it for me. -- Alberto Guzmán Naranjo Profesor Titular Universidad del Valle Director de la Escuela de Música de la FAI ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Font problem in Finale 2012
That's strange. I'm on Mac too. The FontPack downloaded as an install package. No need to save, just click. Perhaps you should try downloading again. Justin Phillips from Finale added this solution to the forum. 1) Go to Finder's Go menu Go to Folder. 2) Type in /Library/Fonts 3) Locate the Maestro fonts (as a test first) and drag them to the Trash 4) Install the .dmg FontPack from the link below: www.finalemusic.com/Downloads/Default.aspx?id=374 On 09/10/2011, at 1:44 AM, Alberto Guzmán Naranjo wrote: Thanks. I downloaded the FontPack (I'm in mac) but I can't save the file in my Desktop. So, I can't double-click the download in order tu reinstall the fonts 2011/10/8 Nigel Hanley i...@nigelhanley.com I had the problem of fonts not displaying right. I saw this on the Finale forum. It fixed it for me. -- Alberto Guzmán Naranjo Profesor Titular Universidad del Valle Director de la Escuela de Música de la FAI ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] preferences FinMac 2011 to 2012?
Dear collected wisdom, Should I be worried about Finale 2012 overwriting my pref files for 2011? If so, where can I move these to, in order to be able to use them with 2011? In older versions one could store a copy of the file in the Finale folder in the App folder, but from 2011 on everything except the App has been moved to LibraryAppSupp, so ... what to do? Any tips would be much appreciated. Eric Habsburger Verlag Frankfurt (Dr. Fiedler) www.habsburgerverlag.de eric.f.fied...@t-online.de e.fied...@em.uni-frankfurt.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] preferences FinMac 2011 to 2012?
For a few versions now, the preferences file is identified as being 2011 ONLY, or 2012 ONLY, so no worries there. Christopher On 8-Oct-11, at 8-Oct-11 12:16 PM, Eric Fiedler wrote: Dear collected wisdom, Should I be worried about Finale 2012 overwriting my pref files for 2011? If so, where can I move these to, in order to be able to use them with 2011? In older versions one could store a copy of the file in the Finale folder in the App folder, but from 2011 on everything except the App has been moved to LibraryAppSupp, so ... what to do? Any tips would be much appreciated. Eric Habsburger Verlag Frankfurt (Dr. Fiedler) www.habsburgerverlag.de eric.f.fied...@t-online.de e.fied...@em.uni-frankfurt.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Biggest disappointment
is the lack of 64- bit. This is silly not to allow me to use all of my 8 GB of RAM with the ARIA player. Actually, I'm exploring a 16 GB setup already;-) Henry Howey Sent from my iPod ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] problem in Finale 2012
Hi All, This is just the first of what will probably be a number of questions regarding moving to 2012. I am making new templates (as recommended), rather than importing old ones - partly because I believe that should simplify loading instruments (perhaps they will turn out to have been pre-loaded). Bill Duncan fonts appear correctly in the chord library, where I have transferred my suffixes from earlier versions, but not in alternate notation. The slashes (one of the most attractive features of Bill's fonts) do not. I haven't tried the rhythmic notation yet, but I have my doubts, as this is also an Alternate Notation font. Ideas, anyone? Thanks, Chuck Chuck Israels 1310 NW Naito Parkway #807 Portland, OR 97209-316 land line: (971) 255-1167 cell phone: (360) 201-3434 www.chuckisraels.com www.chuckisraelsjazz.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Font problem in Finale 2012
FM2012 installed without problems on my desktop Mac, where I do most of my work. On my MacBook, which I in Finale contexts more use for references between work sessions, the percussion staff in a march score had odd substitutions for the note heads, even if the installation reported itself successful. I then ran the suggested font installer, and all note head went funny. Again after the installation reported itself successful. I then carried out the procedure suggested below here and deleted al the fonts that obviously were related to engraving, and then once more ran the font installer. And now the scores look right, but then I haven’t looked at all possible ways of writing in Finale. As I see it, Finale’s font installer must be wrong. If it will not install, when older font versions are in the fonts folder, then it should uninstall them as part of the procedure. At least it should not declare the installation successful. Klaus From: Nigel Hanley i...@nigelhanley.com That's strange. I'm on Mac too. The FontPack downloaded as an install package. No need to save, just click. Perhaps you should try downloading again. Justin Phillips from Finale added this solution to the forum. 1) Go to Finder's Go menu Go to Folder. 2) Type in /Library/Fonts 3) Locate the Maestro fonts (as a test first) and drag them to the Trash 4) Install the .dmg FontPack from the link below: www.finalemusic.com/Downloads/Default.aspx?id=374 On 09/10/2011, at 1:44 AM, Alberto Guzmán Naranjo wrote: Thanks. I downloaded the FontPack (I'm in mac) but I can't save the file in my Desktop. So, I can't double-click the download in order tu reinstall the fonts 2011/10/8 Nigel Hanley i...@nigelhanley.com I had the problem of fonts not displaying right. I saw this on the Finale forum. It fixed it for me. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] problem in Finale 2012
Hi Chuck, Rather than make new templates, you should make yourself a brand-new Document Style. You can then select that style when creating new documents via the Setup Wizard. Otherwise, you will not get many of the new benefits of the Score Manager system. Having a bunch of templates for various instrumentations is not really the best way to go -- the Document Style allows you to use a single document as the basis for everything you write, regardless of instrumentation. If there's an ensemble that you use frequently, instead of making a template for it, you can just save it in the Setup Wizard. Check the documentation on Document Styles to learn how to do this. You can (and should) base your new Document Style on a copy of the Finale 2012 default document -- you'll need to make a lot of adjustments, so the best thing to do is to open Finale 2011 and Finale 2012, and compare each section of the Document Options for your old template in Finale 2011 side-by-side with the corresponding section in Finale 2012. Then type in all of the necessary changes to the Document Settings in your clean Finale 2012 file, which will be the basis for your Document Style. Of course, as you know you'll also need to import any custom articulation, expression, and chord libraries (deleting the existing items first), adjust your Smart Shape placement settings, re-create any custom Smart Shapes and Staff Styles, set up all your metatools, etc. This is all very tedious but if you use Document Styles then you only have to do it once (as opposed to many times for many different templates) -- and it is MUCH safer and more reliable to start with a clean Finale 2012 file than it is to import an existing template from an earlier version of Finale. As for the slash characters, that's actually a two-step process. First, in Document Options - Fonts, choose Alternate Notation from the Notation pull-down menu, then select ChordSym (24 point). Then, in Document Options - Alternate Notation - Music Characters, for each item (Large Slash, Small Slash, etc) click Select and choose the appropriate character from the ChordSym font set. Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On 8 Oct 2011, at 2:53 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: Hi All, This is just the first of what will probably be a number of questions regarding moving to 2012. I am making new templates (as recommended), rather than importing old ones - partly because I believe that should simplify loading instruments (perhaps they will turn out to have been pre-loaded). Bill Duncan fonts appear correctly in the chord library, where I have transferred my suffixes from earlier versions, but not in alternate notation. The slashes (one of the most attractive features of Bill's fonts) do not. I haven't tried the rhythmic notation yet, but I have my doubts, as this is also an Alternate Notation font. Ideas, anyone? Thanks, Chuck Chuck Israels 1310 NW Naito Parkway #807 Portland, OR 97209-316 land line: (971) 255-1167 cell phone: (360) 201-3434 www.chuckisraels.com www.chuckisraelsjazz.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] problem in Finale 2012
Dear Darcy, As usual, you respond to these pleas with useful information. I'd call you and Christopher (and a few others) my saviors, but that starts to sound quasi-religious and overly emotional. Nevertheless, I am grateful for the time you take to help make things clear. It is obvious that you take some trouble to help solve these problems. First: the Alternate Notation problem is solved. Choosing the music characters did the trick. I had not encountered that situation in earlier upgrades so didn't know where to look for that. I have now done considerable work in converting Finale's Jazz Band Template (created with the Wizard) and am reluctant to abandon it. Is there any reason why I couldn't save a document style from this template when I have finished the work on it? One more problem: I have imported custom expressions, articulations and staff styles - all successfully, but when I try to import my carefully created smart shape library (full of Bill's things), the file manager reports an error and it doesn't import. Ideas on that one? The usual thanks, Chuck On Oct 8, 2011, at 1:02 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Hi Chuck, Rather than make new templates, you should make yourself a brand-new Document Style. You can then select that style when creating new documents via the Setup Wizard. Otherwise, you will not get many of the new benefits of the Score Manager system. Having a bunch of templates for various instrumentations is not really the best way to go -- the Document Style allows you to use a single document as the basis for everything you write, regardless of instrumentation. If there's an ensemble that you use frequently, instead of making a template for it, you can just save it in the Setup Wizard. Check the documentation on Document Styles to learn how to do this. You can (and should) base your new Document Style on a copy of the Finale 2012 default document -- you'll need to make a lot of adjustments, so the best thing to do is to open Finale 2011 and Finale 2012, and compare each section of the Document Options for your old template in Finale 2011 side-by-side with the corresponding section in Finale 2012. Then type in all of the necessary changes to the Document Settings in your clean Finale 2012 file, which will be the basis for your Document Style. Of course, as you know you'll also need to import any custom articulation, expression, and chord libraries (deleting the existing items first), adjust your Smart Shape placement settings, re-create any custom Smart Shapes and Staff Styles, set up all your metatools, etc. This is all very tedious but if you use Document Styles then you only have to do it once (as opposed to many times for many different templates) -- and it is MUCH safer and more reliable to start with a clean Finale 2012 file than it is to import an existing template from an earlier version of Finale. As for the slash characters, that's actually a two-step process. First, in Document Options - Fonts, choose Alternate Notation from the Notation pull-down menu, then select ChordSym (24 point). Then, in Document Options - Alternate Notation - Music Characters, for each item (Large Slash, Small Slash, etc) click Select and choose the appropriate character from the ChordSym font set. Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On 8 Oct 2011, at 2:53 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: Hi All, This is just the first of what will probably be a number of questions regarding moving to 2012. I am making new templates (as recommended), rather than importing old ones - partly because I believe that should simplify loading instruments (perhaps they will turn out to have been pre-loaded). Bill Duncan fonts appear correctly in the chord library, where I have transferred my suffixes from earlier versions, but not in alternate notation. The slashes (one of the most attractive features of Bill's fonts) do not. I haven't tried the rhythmic notation yet, but I have my doubts, as this is also an Alternate Notation font. Ideas, anyone? Thanks, Chuck Chuck Israels 1310 NW Naito Parkway #807 Portland, OR 97209-316 land line: (971) 255-1167 cell phone: (360) 201-3434 www.chuckisraels.com www.chuckisraelsjazz.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 1310 NW Naito Parkway #807 Portland, OR 97209-316 land line: (971) 255-1167 cell phone: (360) 201-3434 www.chuckisraels.com www.chuckisraelsjazz.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] preferences FinMac 2011 to 2012?
Thanks Christopher, I hadn't noticed that. Eric Habsburger Verlag Frankfurt (Dr. Fiedler) www.habsburgerverlag.de eric.f.fied...@t-online.de e.fied...@em.uni-frankfurt.de On 08.10.2011, at 19:15, Christopher Smith wrote: For a few versions now, the preferences file is identified as being 2011 ONLY, or 2012 ONLY, so no worries there. Christopher On 8-Oct-11, at 8-Oct-11 12:16 PM, Eric Fiedler wrote: Dear collected wisdom, Should I be worried about Finale 2012 overwriting my pref files for 2011? If so, where can I move these to, in order to be able to use them with 2011? In older versions one could store a copy of the file in the Finale folder in the App folder, but from 2011 on everything except the App has been moved to LibraryAppSupp, so ... what to do? Any tips would be much appreciated. Eric Habsburger Verlag Frankfurt (Dr. Fiedler) www.habsburgerverlag.de eric.f.fied...@t-online.de e.fied...@em.uni-frankfurt.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] problem in Finale 2012
On Oct 8, 2011, at 1:02 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Rather than make new templates, you should make yourself a brand-new Document Style. You can then select that style when creating new documents via the Setup Wizard. Otherwise, you will not get many of the new benefits of the Score Manager system. Having a bunch of templates for various instrumentations is not really the best way to go -- the Document Style allows you to use a single document as the basis for everything you write, regardless of instrumentation. If there's an ensemble that you use frequently, instead of making a template for it, you can just save it in the Setup Wizard. Check the documentation on Document Styles to learn how to do this. I haven't gotten into that portion of the 2012 Score Manager yet, but does it create voiced parts, like Flute 1 and 2 on the same score staff but with separate parts? Setting that up is a bit of a pain, so I have gotten into the habit of using my own Orchestra template with the voiced parts already set up. That is one very good reason to use templates, IMO. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] problem in Finale 2012
Hi Chris, Yes, voiced parts still have to be added after the fact, but I'd recommend doing the heavy lifting with the Setup Wizard and a clean 2012 Document Style first. Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On 8 Oct 2011, at 5:13 PM, Christopher Smith wrote: On Oct 8, 2011, at 1:02 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Rather than make new templates, you should make yourself a brand-new Document Style. You can then select that style when creating new documents via the Setup Wizard. Otherwise, you will not get many of the new benefits of the Score Manager system. Having a bunch of templates for various instrumentations is not really the best way to go -- the Document Style allows you to use a single document as the basis for everything you write, regardless of instrumentation. If there's an ensemble that you use frequently, instead of making a template for it, you can just save it in the Setup Wizard. Check the documentation on Document Styles to learn how to do this. I haven't gotten into that portion of the 2012 Score Manager yet, but does it create voiced parts, like Flute 1 and 2 on the same score staff but with separate parts? Setting that up is a bit of a pain, so I have gotten into the habit of using my own Orchestra template with the voiced parts already set up. That is one very good reason to use templates, IMO. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] problem in Finale 2012
Hi Chuck, I am happy to help when I can! I have now done considerable work in converting Finale's Jazz Band Template (created with the Wizard) and am reluctant to abandon it. Is there any reason why I couldn't save a document style from this template when I have finished the work on it? There are a few reasons why I recommend starting over from scratch creating your personal Document Style with each new version of Finale. One is that files brought forward from previous versions of Finale tend to accumulate crud (for lack of a better word) over time, so I always prefer to start fresh with each new version. My experience is that this is the most stable, reliable way to go. Second, MakeMusic often introduces a few new things in their default documents (most often new Staff Styles, and also recently the new Expression Categories) which I like to incorporate into my own Document Styles. Of course, it's possible to add these things manually, or import them as libraries, but if I'm going to do that, it's not *that* much more trouble to start entirely from scratch, which is safer. Can't help you with the File Manager problem -- have you tried exporting that library from a different document, or a different version of Finale? Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On 8 Oct 2011, at 4:26 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: Dear Darcy, As usual, you respond to these pleas with useful information. I'd call you and Christopher (and a few others) my saviors, but that starts to sound quasi-religious and overly emotional. Nevertheless, I am grateful for the time you take to help make things clear. It is obvious that you take some trouble to help solve these problems. First: the Alternate Notation problem is solved. Choosing the music characters did the trick. I had not encountered that situation in earlier upgrades so didn't know where to look for that. I have now done considerable work in converting Finale's Jazz Band Template (created with the Wizard) and am reluctant to abandon it. Is there any reason why I couldn't save a document style from this template when I have finished the work on it? One more problem: I have imported custom expressions, articulations and staff styles - all successfully, but when I try to import my carefully created smart shape library (full of Bill's things), the file manager reports an error and it doesn't import. Ideas on that one? The usual thanks, Chuck On Oct 8, 2011, at 1:02 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Hi Chuck, Rather than make new templates, you should make yourself a brand-new Document Style. You can then select that style when creating new documents via the Setup Wizard. Otherwise, you will not get many of the new benefits of the Score Manager system. Having a bunch of templates for various instrumentations is not really the best way to go -- the Document Style allows you to use a single document as the basis for everything you write, regardless of instrumentation. If there's an ensemble that you use frequently, instead of making a template for it, you can just save it in the Setup Wizard. Check the documentation on Document Styles to learn how to do this. You can (and should) base your new Document Style on a copy of the Finale 2012 default document -- you'll need to make a lot of adjustments, so the best thing to do is to open Finale 2011 and Finale 2012, and compare each section of the Document Options for your old template in Finale 2011 side-by-side with the corresponding section in Finale 2012. Then type in all of the necessary changes to the Document Settings in your clean Finale 2012 file, which will be the basis for your Document Style. Of course, as you know you'll also need to import any custom articulation, expression, and chord libraries (deleting the existing items first), adjust your Smart Shape placement settings, re-create any custom Smart Shapes and Staff Styles, set up all your metatools, etc. This is all very tedious but if you use Document Styles then you only have to do it once (as opposed to many times for many different templates) -- and it is MUCH safer and more reliable to start with a clean Finale 2012 file than it is to import an existing template from an earlier version of Finale. As for the slash characters, that's actually a two-step process. First, in Document Options - Fonts, choose Alternate Notation from the Notation pull-down menu, then select ChordSym (24 point). Then, in Document Options - Alternate Notation - Music Characters, for each item (Large Slash, Small Slash, etc) click Select and choose the appropriate character from the ChordSym font set. Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On 8 Oct 2011, at 2:53 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: Hi All, This is just the first of what will probably be a number of questions regarding moving to 2012. I
Re: [Finale] Finale 2012 Review
Thanks, Jari. Helpful as ever. Somewhere I saw a post of yours mentioning the new ability to customize page offsets in individual parts. Wow, could I have used that on a couple of projects!! Is it possible for you to list these kind of added improvements that aren't mentioned in either the Read-me file or your review? Thank you again! JB Sent from my iPhone using my thumbs w/out a spellchecker On Oct 7, 2011, at 7:52 PM, Jari Williamsson jari.williams...@mailbox.swipnet.se wrote: Hello! My Finale 2012 Review (with some tips) is now available on the Finale Tips site: www.finaletips.nu Let me know if you spot any errors regarding words, spelling, information, etc. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale 2012 released
On 8 Oct 2011 at 3:46, SN jef chippewa wrote: How often will I need to make a circle score? Probably never, but now I know how to do it! yeah great. how often do i need linked parts to work right? always, but i will probably never be able to really have it work right because of the insufficient implementation of this otherwise fantastic feature and complete disinterest in solid software design by make music. Well, to be fair, so far as I can tell, MM didn't actually do anything new to make the circular score possible, as it's done with capabilities that have existed in Finale for over a decade (if not longer). So it doesn't seem to me that any resources were diverted from more important projects (except, perhaps, in the marketing department). Some things are easy to fix. Those get fixed quickly. Some things are hard, and thus take much longer to get fixed. It often has little to do with the relative importance of the features involved and everything to do with how easy it is to address the problem. -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] problem in Finale 2012
On Oct 8, 2011, at 2:25 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Hi Chuck, I am happy to help when I can! I have now done considerable work in converting Finale's Jazz Band Template (created with the Wizard) and am reluctant to abandon it. Is there any reason why I couldn't save a document style from this template when I have finished the work on it? There are a few reasons why I recommend starting over from scratch creating your personal Document Style with each new version of Finale. One is that files brought forward from previous versions of Finale tend to accumulate crud (for lack of a better word) over time, so I always prefer to start fresh with each new version. My experience is that this is the most stable, reliable way to go. Well, this is a new clean 2012 document - created with the 2012 Wizard, so I don't think there is any reason to think there's inherited crud. It is exactly for that reason (my 2011 templates were created from imports of imports and therefor more than likely to have problems hidden in them) - that, and the expectation that a document created with the Wizard in 2012 will have correctly set up instruments - without much fussing in that department. Second, MakeMusic often introduces a few new things in their default documents (most often new Staff Styles, and also recently the new Expression Categories) which I like to incorporate into my own Document Styles. Of course, it's possible to add these things manually, or import them as libraries, but if I'm going to do that, it's not *that* much more trouble to start entirely from scratch, which is safer. I've already noticed a few new things and kept them in libraries before deleting things I don't want and importing elements form 2011 libraries. Can't help you with the File Manager problem -- have you tried exporting that library from a different document, or a different version of Finale? I'll try something along those lines. Thanks, Chuck Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On 8 Oct 2011, at 4:26 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: Dear Darcy, As usual, you respond to these pleas with useful information. I'd call you and Christopher (and a few others) my saviors, but that starts to sound quasi-religious and overly emotional. Nevertheless, I am grateful for the time you take to help make things clear. It is obvious that you take some trouble to help solve these problems. First: the Alternate Notation problem is solved. Choosing the music characters did the trick. I had not encountered that situation in earlier upgrades so didn't know where to look for that. I have now done considerable work in converting Finale's Jazz Band Template (created with the Wizard) and am reluctant to abandon it. Is there any reason why I couldn't save a document style from this template when I have finished the work on it? One more problem: I have imported custom expressions, articulations and staff styles - all successfully, but when I try to import my carefully created smart shape library (full of Bill's things), the file manager reports an error and it doesn't import. Ideas on that one? The usual thanks, Chuck On Oct 8, 2011, at 1:02 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Hi Chuck, Rather than make new templates, you should make yourself a brand-new Document Style. You can then select that style when creating new documents via the Setup Wizard. Otherwise, you will not get many of the new benefits of the Score Manager system. Having a bunch of templates for various instrumentations is not really the best way to go -- the Document Style allows you to use a single document as the basis for everything you write, regardless of instrumentation. If there's an ensemble that you use frequently, instead of making a template for it, you can just save it in the Setup Wizard. Check the documentation on Document Styles to learn how to do this. You can (and should) base your new Document Style on a copy of the Finale 2012 default document -- you'll need to make a lot of adjustments, so the best thing to do is to open Finale 2011 and Finale 2012, and compare each section of the Document Options for your old template in Finale 2011 side-by-side with the corresponding section in Finale 2012. Then type in all of the necessary changes to the Document Settings in your clean Finale 2012 file, which will be the basis for your Document Style. Of course, as you know you'll also need to import any custom articulation, expression, and chord libraries (deleting the existing items first), adjust your Smart Shape placement settings, re-create any custom Smart Shapes and Staff Styles, set up all your metatools, etc. This is all very tedious but if you use Document Styles then you only have to do it once (as opposed to many times for many different templates) -- and it is MUCH safer and more reliable to
Re: [Finale] Finale 2012 Review
On 2011-10-08 03:20, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: A question regarding the ASIO you mention. When using Adobe Audition, setting the ASIO driver messes with display settings (turning on the fade/scroll effects). I have to reset display settings when leaving the program. Does Finale's ASIO do that? Isn't it your specific ASIO driver that causes this problem? Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale 2012 Review
On Sat, October 8, 2011 6:26 pm, Jari Williamsson wrote: On 2011-10-08 03:20, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: A question regarding the ASIO you mention. When using Adobe Audition, setting the ASIO driver messes with display settings (turning on the fade/scroll effects). I have to reset display settings when leaving the program. Does Finale's ASIO do that? Isn't it your specific ASIO driver that causes this problem? According to Audition support, this is the behavior of the ASIO driver with Audition -- but I've never seen it with other programs that use ASIO. Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale 2012 up and running
Hi All, It took me all day (not really surprising), but I am now able to run 2012 reasonably well, and the problem with being unable to load an old Smart Shapes Library was solved (at Darcy's suggestion) by saving a new one from a 2011 document that had the desired shapes, after which the newly saved library loaded in 2012 without problems. This is a quick, mini review - or maybe just an opinion, but the Score Manager seems to work well - and more or less intuitively. Whether or not it provides generally useful operational advantages remains to be seen, but it is pretty slick and seems to have required significant under-the-hood changes. Things have changed location (as usual), but no functionality has been lost (that I can see), and I think this will prove efficient in the long run. I like it. Chuck Chuck Israels 1310 NW Naito Parkway #807 Portland, OR 97209-316 land line: (971) 255-1167 cell phone: (360) 201-3434 www.chuckisraels.com www.chuckisraelsjazz.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] change instrument
I was hoping this command would solve the problem of switching brass mutes. However the only instruments available under this command are the Finale included ones, not the JABB instruments that I have installed. Fin2012 mac Mark McCarron ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] change instrument
Hi Mark, It is possible to edit your Human Playback settings to get the Garritan JABB instruments to recognize mute changes by triggering keyswitches, but I agree that Finale should support this out of the box without users having to manually adjust their settings. Please register your displeasure with MakeMusic directly, as that is the only way stuff like this gets fixed. Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On 8 Oct 2011, at 11:15 PM, Mark McCarron wrote: I was hoping this command would solve the problem of switching brass mutes. However the only instruments available under this command are the Finale included ones, not the JABB instruments that I have installed. Fin2012 mac Mark McCarron ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] change instrument
Darcy, Can you do this by changing from Open Trumpet to Cup Mute Trumpet samples as an instrument change? Is that easier than configuring HP (which I once got working right but then lost the way to do it)? Chuck On Oct 8, 2011, at 8:46 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Hi Mark, It is possible to edit your Human Playback settings to get the Garritan JABB instruments to recognize mute changes by triggering keyswitches, but I agree that Finale should support this out of the box without users having to manually adjust their settings. Please register your displeasure with MakeMusic directly, as that is the only way stuff like this gets fixed. Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On 8 Oct 2011, at 11:15 PM, Mark McCarron wrote: I was hoping this command would solve the problem of switching brass mutes. However the only instruments available under this command are the Finale included ones, not the JABB instruments that I have installed. Fin2012 mac Mark McCarron ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 1310 NW Naito Parkway #807 Portland, OR 97209-316 land line: (971) 255-1167 cell phone: (360) 201-3434 www.chuckisraels.com www.chuckisraelsjazz.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] change instrument
Hi Chuck, Either way will take a bit of additional effort and kludging and counter-intuitive work to set up. Keyswitches via HP are probably still a bit easier, though they are maddeningly not 100% reliable. I haven't tried to do them with instrument changes yet -- I'm not currently using Finale 2012 because I'm in the midst of a massive project and can't switch over until it's finished. Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On 9 Oct 2011, at 12:02 AM, Chuck Israels wrote: Darcy, Can you do this by changing from Open Trumpet to Cup Mute Trumpet samples as an instrument change? Is that easier than configuring HP (which I once got working right but then lost the way to do it)? Chuck On Oct 8, 2011, at 8:46 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Hi Mark, It is possible to edit your Human Playback settings to get the Garritan JABB instruments to recognize mute changes by triggering keyswitches, but I agree that Finale should support this out of the box without users having to manually adjust their settings. Please register your displeasure with MakeMusic directly, as that is the only way stuff like this gets fixed. Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On 8 Oct 2011, at 11:15 PM, Mark McCarron wrote: I was hoping this command would solve the problem of switching brass mutes. However the only instruments available under this command are the Finale included ones, not the JABB instruments that I have installed. Fin2012 mac Mark McCarron ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 1310 NW Naito Parkway #807 Portland, OR 97209-316 land line: (971) 255-1167 cell phone: (360) 201-3434 www.chuckisraels.com www.chuckisraelsjazz.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] change instrument
On Oct 8, 2011, at 9:14 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Hi Chuck, Either way will take a bit of additional effort and kludging and counter-intuitive work to set up. Keyswitches via HP are probably still a bit easier, though they are maddeningly not 100% reliable. That was my experience. Sometimes they worked, sometimes not, and I couldn't figure out why. It was inconsistent enough that I gave up on trying to control the behavior I haven't tried to do them with instrument changes yet -- I'm not currently using Finale 2012 because I'm in the midst of a massive project and can't switch over until it's finished. Well, whoever gets to this first - I will be glad to see a report (or give one, if I am early in the game). Maybe some beta testers have done this. I does seem to me that, if there is provision for saxophone staves to switch to ww doubles, the same thing ought to work for brass, using the existing separate open and muted samples (or trumpet/flugelhorn samples). Am I missing something? I have not tried any of this, but I have become addicted to checking my music with Finale's playback, and the successive improvements do help. Chuck Chuck Israels 1310 NW Naito Parkway #807 Portland, OR 97209-316 land line: (971) 255-1167 cell phone: (360) 201-3434 www.chuckisraels.com www.chuckisraelsjazz.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
