Re: [Finale] 2012 vs 2014.5 speed test
I presume that if you save as XML and then re-import the XML into a new file, that will assign new IDs. But it may have unacceptable consequences. - Original Message - Subject: Re: [Finale] 2012 vs 2014.5 speed test From: "Robert Patterson" Date: 7/23/16 10:50 pm To: "finale" This is Finale internals now. Sorry to bore you with techy stuff, but Finale is at heart a piece of software with internals. Despite appearances, it's not magic. Each frame (which is a single layer on a single bar of a single staff) has an ID. Once the ID is assigned it never changes. So if if you delete one and add another you'll leave a gap in the numbers. The ID is a 16-bit value. No one, least of all anyone at MM I would guess, thinks a 16-bit value makes any sense for a program in 2016. But this is a design decision that goes all the way back to the 1980s when it did make sense, and it is really, really hard to change. On Sat, Jul 23, 2016 at 9:16 PM, Raymond Horton wrote: > IDs = ? > > Raymond Horton > Composer, Arranger > Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church > Retired Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra, 1971-2016 > > > On Jul 23, 2016 9:30 PM, "Robert Patterson" > wrote: > > > BTW: in theory, your id's should be able to range as high as 65535, but > > once you go past 32767 the likelihood of crash-causing bug goes up. I can > > diagnose how high your id's have gone if you want to send me a file > > offline. > > > > > > > > On Sat, Jul 23, 2016 at 8:18 PM, Robert Patterson < > > rob...@robertgpatterson.com> wrote: > > > > > I just ran some tests, and as I feared, if you delete a frame (by clear > > > layer or a measure), you don't get that frame number back. So you could > > > have exceeded the 32767 id value even though your actual number of > > > assignments is smaller. I don't see an easy way to recover the missing > id > > > values either. (File Maintenance doesn't appear to do it.) > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Jul 23, 2016 at 8:00 PM, Raymond Horton < > > horton.raym...@gmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > >> Frames 26160 , frame assignments 29604 > > >> > > >> Raymond Horton > > >> Composer, Arranger > > >> Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church > > >> Retired Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra, 1971-2016 > > >> > > >> > > >> On Jul 23, 2016 8:32 PM, "Robert Patterson" < > > rob...@robertgpatterson.com> > > >> wrote: > > >> > > >> > Right, but it doesn't tell you what the largest frame number is. If > > >> you've > > >> > done a lot of editing your frame numbers could have exceeded 32767. > > >> Finale > > >> > may have a mechanism for reusing deleted frame numbers, but who > knows > > >> how > > >> > reliable it is? Someone who has a tremendous amount of experience > with > > >> this > > >> > is Jef Chippewa. (Sometimes he monitors this list.) > > >> > > > >> > At any rate, it would be worth finding out if there is a way to > reset > > >> your > > >> > numbers to get rid of gaps. > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > On Sat, Jul 23, 2016 at 6:55 PM, J D Thomas > > >> wrote: > > >> > > > >> > > Your message got me thinking Robert. I haven't looked at the > count > > >> is a > > >> > > long time. I did that just now to the largest act and it shows I > > have > > >> > only > > >> > > 17471 active frames. So I am well under that stated limit. > > >> > > > > >> > > And, like Raymond, I detest splitting into separate files. Too > much > > >> work > > >> > > on the back end with parts. > > >> > > > > >> > > Life goes on… > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > *** > > >> > > J D Thomas > > >> > > ThomaStudios > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > On Jul 23, 2016, at 4:14 PM, Robert Patterson > > >> > > wrote: > > >> > > > > > >> > > > You guys may be hitting the frame limit of 32767, especially if > > >> there > > >> > > > aren't many rests or if you use a lot of multiple layers. For > any > > >> work > > >> > > with > > >> > > > 10's of staves, I wouldn't take it past 1000 bars before > splitting > > >> > into a > > >> > > > new file. > > >> > > > > >> > > ___ > > >> > > Finale mailing list > > >> > > Finale@shsu.edu > > >> > > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > >> > > > > >> > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > > >> > > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu > > >> > > > > >> > ___ > > >> > Finale mailing list > > >> > Finale@shsu.edu > > >> > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > >> > > > >> > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > > >> > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu > > >> ___ > > >> Finale mailing list > > >> Finale@shsu.edu > > >> https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > >> > > >> To unsubscribe from finale send a message
Re: [Finale] 2012 vs 2014.5 speed test
This is Finale internals now. Sorry to bore you with techy stuff, but Finale is at heart a piece of software with internals. Despite appearances, it's not magic. Each frame (which is a single layer on a single bar of a single staff) has an ID. Once the ID is assigned it never changes. So if if you delete one and add another you'll leave a gap in the numbers. The ID is a 16-bit value. No one, least of all anyone at MM I would guess, thinks a 16-bit value makes any sense for a program in 2016. But this is a design decision that goes all the way back to the 1980s when it did make sense, and it is really, really hard to change. On Sat, Jul 23, 2016 at 9:16 PM, Raymond Horton wrote: > IDs = ? > > Raymond Horton > Composer, Arranger > Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church > Retired Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra, 1971-2016 > > > On Jul 23, 2016 9:30 PM, "Robert Patterson" > wrote: > > > BTW: in theory, your id's should be able to range as high as 65535, but > > once you go past 32767 the likelihood of crash-causing bug goes up. I can > > diagnose how high your id's have gone if you want to send me a file > > offline. > > > > > > > > On Sat, Jul 23, 2016 at 8:18 PM, Robert Patterson < > > rob...@robertgpatterson.com> wrote: > > > > > I just ran some tests, and as I feared, if you delete a frame (by clear > > > layer or a measure), you don't get that frame number back. So you could > > > have exceeded the 32767 id value even though your actual number of > > > assignments is smaller. I don't see an easy way to recover the missing > id > > > values either. (File Maintenance doesn't appear to do it.) > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Jul 23, 2016 at 8:00 PM, Raymond Horton < > > horton.raym...@gmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > >> Frames 26160 , frame assignments 29604 > > >> > > >> Raymond Horton > > >> Composer, Arranger > > >> Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church > > >> Retired Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra, 1971-2016 > > >> > > >> > > >> On Jul 23, 2016 8:32 PM, "Robert Patterson" < > > rob...@robertgpatterson.com> > > >> wrote: > > >> > > >> > Right, but it doesn't tell you what the largest frame number is. If > > >> you've > > >> > done a lot of editing your frame numbers could have exceeded 32767. > > >> Finale > > >> > may have a mechanism for reusing deleted frame numbers, but who > knows > > >> how > > >> > reliable it is? Someone who has a tremendous amount of experience > with > > >> this > > >> > is Jef Chippewa. (Sometimes he monitors this list.) > > >> > > > >> > At any rate, it would be worth finding out if there is a way to > reset > > >> your > > >> > numbers to get rid of gaps. > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > On Sat, Jul 23, 2016 at 6:55 PM, J D Thomas > > >> wrote: > > >> > > > >> > > Your message got me thinking Robert. I haven’t looked at the > count > > >> is a > > >> > > long time. I did that just now to the largest act and it shows I > > have > > >> > only > > >> > > 17471 active frames. So I am well under that stated limit. > > >> > > > > >> > > And, like Raymond, I detest splitting into separate files. Too > much > > >> work > > >> > > on the back end with parts. > > >> > > > > >> > > Life goes on… > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > *** > > >> > > J D Thomas > > >> > > ThomaStudios > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > On Jul 23, 2016, at 4:14 PM, Robert Patterson > > >> > > wrote: > > >> > > > > > >> > > > You guys may be hitting the frame limit of 32767, especially if > > >> there > > >> > > > aren't many rests or if you use a lot of multiple layers. For > any > > >> work > > >> > > with > > >> > > > 10's of staves, I wouldn't take it past 1000 bars before > splitting > > >> > into a > > >> > > > new file. > > >> > > > > >> > > ___ > > >> > > Finale mailing list > > >> > > Finale@shsu.edu > > >> > > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > >> > > > > >> > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > > >> > > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu > > >> > > > > >> > ___ > > >> > Finale mailing list > > >> > Finale@shsu.edu > > >> > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > >> > > > >> > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > > >> > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu > > >> ___ > > >> Finale mailing list > > >> Finale@shsu.edu > > >> https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > >> > > >> To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > > >> finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu > > >> > > > > > > > > ___ > > Finale mailing list > > Finale@shsu.edu > > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > T
Re: [Finale] 2012 vs 2014.5 speed test
IDs = ? Raymond Horton Composer, Arranger Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church Retired Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra, 1971-2016 On Jul 23, 2016 9:30 PM, "Robert Patterson" wrote: > BTW: in theory, your id's should be able to range as high as 65535, but > once you go past 32767 the likelihood of crash-causing bug goes up. I can > diagnose how high your id's have gone if you want to send me a file > offline. > > > > On Sat, Jul 23, 2016 at 8:18 PM, Robert Patterson < > rob...@robertgpatterson.com> wrote: > > > I just ran some tests, and as I feared, if you delete a frame (by clear > > layer or a measure), you don't get that frame number back. So you could > > have exceeded the 32767 id value even though your actual number of > > assignments is smaller. I don't see an easy way to recover the missing id > > values either. (File Maintenance doesn't appear to do it.) > > > > > > > > On Sat, Jul 23, 2016 at 8:00 PM, Raymond Horton < > horton.raym...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > >> Frames 26160 , frame assignments 29604 > >> > >> Raymond Horton > >> Composer, Arranger > >> Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church > >> Retired Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra, 1971-2016 > >> > >> > >> On Jul 23, 2016 8:32 PM, "Robert Patterson" < > rob...@robertgpatterson.com> > >> wrote: > >> > >> > Right, but it doesn't tell you what the largest frame number is. If > >> you've > >> > done a lot of editing your frame numbers could have exceeded 32767. > >> Finale > >> > may have a mechanism for reusing deleted frame numbers, but who knows > >> how > >> > reliable it is? Someone who has a tremendous amount of experience with > >> this > >> > is Jef Chippewa. (Sometimes he monitors this list.) > >> > > >> > At any rate, it would be worth finding out if there is a way to reset > >> your > >> > numbers to get rid of gaps. > >> > > >> > > >> > On Sat, Jul 23, 2016 at 6:55 PM, J D Thomas > >> wrote: > >> > > >> > > Your message got me thinking Robert. I haven’t looked at the count > >> is a > >> > > long time. I did that just now to the largest act and it shows I > have > >> > only > >> > > 17471 active frames. So I am well under that stated limit. > >> > > > >> > > And, like Raymond, I detest splitting into separate files. Too much > >> work > >> > > on the back end with parts. > >> > > > >> > > Life goes on… > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > *** > >> > > J D Thomas > >> > > ThomaStudios > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > On Jul 23, 2016, at 4:14 PM, Robert Patterson > >> > > wrote: > >> > > > > >> > > > You guys may be hitting the frame limit of 32767, especially if > >> there > >> > > > aren't many rests or if you use a lot of multiple layers. For any > >> work > >> > > with > >> > > > 10's of staves, I wouldn't take it past 1000 bars before splitting > >> > into a > >> > > > new file. > >> > > > >> > > ___ > >> > > Finale mailing list > >> > > Finale@shsu.edu > >> > > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > >> > > > >> > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > >> > > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu > >> > > > >> > ___ > >> > Finale mailing list > >> > Finale@shsu.edu > >> > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > >> > > >> > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > >> > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu > >> ___ > >> Finale mailing list > >> Finale@shsu.edu > >> https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > >> > >> To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > >> finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu > >> > > > > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] 2012 vs 2014.5 speed test
Too bad. Thanks for your help. I actually was able to open the file in 2012 and work for 30 or 40 minutes before it crashed this time. Progress? Raymond Horton Composer, Arranger Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church Retired Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra, 1971-2016 On Jul 23, 2016 9:18 PM, "Robert Patterson" wrote: > I just ran some tests, and as I feared, if you delete a frame (by clear > layer or a measure), you don't get that frame number back. So you could > have exceeded the 32767 id value even though your actual number of > assignments is smaller. I don't see an easy way to recover the missing id > values either. (File Maintenance doesn't appear to do it.) > > > > On Sat, Jul 23, 2016 at 8:00 PM, Raymond Horton > wrote: > > > Frames 26160 , frame assignments 29604 > > > > Raymond Horton > > Composer, Arranger > > Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church > > Retired Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra, 1971-2016 > > > > > > On Jul 23, 2016 8:32 PM, "Robert Patterson" > > > wrote: > > > > > Right, but it doesn't tell you what the largest frame number is. If > > you've > > > done a lot of editing your frame numbers could have exceeded 32767. > > Finale > > > may have a mechanism for reusing deleted frame numbers, but who knows > how > > > reliable it is? Someone who has a tremendous amount of experience with > > this > > > is Jef Chippewa. (Sometimes he monitors this list.) > > > > > > At any rate, it would be worth finding out if there is a way to reset > > your > > > numbers to get rid of gaps. > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Jul 23, 2016 at 6:55 PM, J D Thomas > wrote: > > > > > > > Your message got me thinking Robert. I haven’t looked at the count > is > > a > > > > long time. I did that just now to the largest act and it shows I > have > > > only > > > > 17471 active frames. So I am well under that stated limit. > > > > > > > > And, like Raymond, I detest splitting into separate files. Too much > > work > > > > on the back end with parts. > > > > > > > > Life goes on… > > > > > > > > > > > > *** > > > > J D Thomas > > > > ThomaStudios > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 23, 2016, at 4:14 PM, Robert Patterson > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > You guys may be hitting the frame limit of 32767, especially if > there > > > > > aren't many rests or if you use a lot of multiple layers. For any > > work > > > > with > > > > > 10's of staves, I wouldn't take it past 1000 bars before splitting > > > into a > > > > > new file. > > > > > > > > ___ > > > > Finale mailing list > > > > Finale@shsu.edu > > > > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > > > > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu > > > > > > > ___ > > > Finale mailing list > > > Finale@shsu.edu > > > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > > > > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > > > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu > > ___ > > Finale mailing list > > Finale@shsu.edu > > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu > > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] 2012 vs 2014.5 speed test
BTW: in theory, your id's should be able to range as high as 65535, but once you go past 32767 the likelihood of crash-causing bug goes up. I can diagnose how high your id's have gone if you want to send me a file offline. On Sat, Jul 23, 2016 at 8:18 PM, Robert Patterson < rob...@robertgpatterson.com> wrote: > I just ran some tests, and as I feared, if you delete a frame (by clear > layer or a measure), you don't get that frame number back. So you could > have exceeded the 32767 id value even though your actual number of > assignments is smaller. I don't see an easy way to recover the missing id > values either. (File Maintenance doesn't appear to do it.) > > > > On Sat, Jul 23, 2016 at 8:00 PM, Raymond Horton > wrote: > >> Frames 26160 , frame assignments 29604 >> >> Raymond Horton >> Composer, Arranger >> Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church >> Retired Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra, 1971-2016 >> >> >> On Jul 23, 2016 8:32 PM, "Robert Patterson" >> wrote: >> >> > Right, but it doesn't tell you what the largest frame number is. If >> you've >> > done a lot of editing your frame numbers could have exceeded 32767. >> Finale >> > may have a mechanism for reusing deleted frame numbers, but who knows >> how >> > reliable it is? Someone who has a tremendous amount of experience with >> this >> > is Jef Chippewa. (Sometimes he monitors this list.) >> > >> > At any rate, it would be worth finding out if there is a way to reset >> your >> > numbers to get rid of gaps. >> > >> > >> > On Sat, Jul 23, 2016 at 6:55 PM, J D Thomas >> wrote: >> > >> > > Your message got me thinking Robert. I haven’t looked at the count >> is a >> > > long time. I did that just now to the largest act and it shows I have >> > only >> > > 17471 active frames. So I am well under that stated limit. >> > > >> > > And, like Raymond, I detest splitting into separate files. Too much >> work >> > > on the back end with parts. >> > > >> > > Life goes on… >> > > >> > > >> > > *** >> > > J D Thomas >> > > ThomaStudios >> > > >> > > >> > > > On Jul 23, 2016, at 4:14 PM, Robert Patterson >> > > wrote: >> > > > >> > > > You guys may be hitting the frame limit of 32767, especially if >> there >> > > > aren't many rests or if you use a lot of multiple layers. For any >> work >> > > with >> > > > 10's of staves, I wouldn't take it past 1000 bars before splitting >> > into a >> > > > new file. >> > > >> > > ___ >> > > Finale mailing list >> > > Finale@shsu.edu >> > > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >> > > >> > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: >> > > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu >> > > >> > ___ >> > Finale mailing list >> > Finale@shsu.edu >> > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >> > >> > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: >> > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu >> ___ >> Finale mailing list >> Finale@shsu.edu >> https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >> >> To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: >> finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu >> > > ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] 2012 vs 2014.5 speed test
I just ran some tests, and as I feared, if you delete a frame (by clear layer or a measure), you don't get that frame number back. So you could have exceeded the 32767 id value even though your actual number of assignments is smaller. I don't see an easy way to recover the missing id values either. (File Maintenance doesn't appear to do it.) On Sat, Jul 23, 2016 at 8:00 PM, Raymond Horton wrote: > Frames 26160 , frame assignments 29604 > > Raymond Horton > Composer, Arranger > Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church > Retired Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra, 1971-2016 > > > On Jul 23, 2016 8:32 PM, "Robert Patterson" > wrote: > > > Right, but it doesn't tell you what the largest frame number is. If > you've > > done a lot of editing your frame numbers could have exceeded 32767. > Finale > > may have a mechanism for reusing deleted frame numbers, but who knows how > > reliable it is? Someone who has a tremendous amount of experience with > this > > is Jef Chippewa. (Sometimes he monitors this list.) > > > > At any rate, it would be worth finding out if there is a way to reset > your > > numbers to get rid of gaps. > > > > > > On Sat, Jul 23, 2016 at 6:55 PM, J D Thomas wrote: > > > > > Your message got me thinking Robert. I haven’t looked at the count is > a > > > long time. I did that just now to the largest act and it shows I have > > only > > > 17471 active frames. So I am well under that stated limit. > > > > > > And, like Raymond, I detest splitting into separate files. Too much > work > > > on the back end with parts. > > > > > > Life goes on… > > > > > > > > > *** > > > J D Thomas > > > ThomaStudios > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 23, 2016, at 4:14 PM, Robert Patterson > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > You guys may be hitting the frame limit of 32767, especially if there > > > > aren't many rests or if you use a lot of multiple layers. For any > work > > > with > > > > 10's of staves, I wouldn't take it past 1000 bars before splitting > > into a > > > > new file. > > > > > > ___ > > > Finale mailing list > > > Finale@shsu.edu > > > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > > > > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > > > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu > > > > > ___ > > Finale mailing list > > Finale@shsu.edu > > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu > ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] 2012 vs 2014.5 speed test
Frames 26160 , frame assignments 29604 Raymond Horton Composer, Arranger Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church Retired Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra, 1971-2016 On Jul 23, 2016 8:32 PM, "Robert Patterson" wrote: > Right, but it doesn't tell you what the largest frame number is. If you've > done a lot of editing your frame numbers could have exceeded 32767. Finale > may have a mechanism for reusing deleted frame numbers, but who knows how > reliable it is? Someone who has a tremendous amount of experience with this > is Jef Chippewa. (Sometimes he monitors this list.) > > At any rate, it would be worth finding out if there is a way to reset your > numbers to get rid of gaps. > > > On Sat, Jul 23, 2016 at 6:55 PM, J D Thomas wrote: > > > Your message got me thinking Robert. I haven’t looked at the count is a > > long time. I did that just now to the largest act and it shows I have > only > > 17471 active frames. So I am well under that stated limit. > > > > And, like Raymond, I detest splitting into separate files. Too much work > > on the back end with parts. > > > > Life goes on… > > > > > > *** > > J D Thomas > > ThomaStudios > > > > > > > On Jul 23, 2016, at 4:14 PM, Robert Patterson > > wrote: > > > > > > You guys may be hitting the frame limit of 32767, especially if there > > > aren't many rests or if you use a lot of multiple layers. For any work > > with > > > 10's of staves, I wouldn't take it past 1000 bars before splitting > into a > > > new file. > > > > ___ > > Finale mailing list > > Finale@shsu.edu > > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu > > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] 2012 vs 2014.5 speed test
Right, but it doesn't tell you what the largest frame number is. If you've done a lot of editing your frame numbers could have exceeded 32767. Finale may have a mechanism for reusing deleted frame numbers, but who knows how reliable it is? Someone who has a tremendous amount of experience with this is Jef Chippewa. (Sometimes he monitors this list.) At any rate, it would be worth finding out if there is a way to reset your numbers to get rid of gaps. On Sat, Jul 23, 2016 at 6:55 PM, J D Thomas wrote: > Your message got me thinking Robert. I haven’t looked at the count is a > long time. I did that just now to the largest act and it shows I have only > 17471 active frames. So I am well under that stated limit. > > And, like Raymond, I detest splitting into separate files. Too much work > on the back end with parts. > > Life goes on… > > > *** > J D Thomas > ThomaStudios > > > > On Jul 23, 2016, at 4:14 PM, Robert Patterson > wrote: > > > > You guys may be hitting the frame limit of 32767, especially if there > > aren't many rests or if you use a lot of multiple layers. For any work > with > > 10's of staves, I wouldn't take it past 1000 bars before splitting into a > > new file. > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu > ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
[Finale] missing simple entry palettes
mysterious behavior: Using simple entry (have used it for decades with nothing like this... The simple entry palettes: tools, notes, and rests, are what I keep on the left of the screen. Today, every time I changed a tool in the tool palette, the other two (notes and less) disappeared and had to be entered again in the Window menu. Huh? Why is that happening after all these years? Was it something I said...uh... did? Completely baffled. Any suggestions? Thanks, Linda ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] 2012 vs 2014.5 speed test
Your message got me thinking Robert. I haven’t looked at the count is a long time. I did that just now to the largest act and it shows I have only 17471 active frames. So I am well under that stated limit. And, like Raymond, I detest splitting into separate files. Too much work on the back end with parts. Life goes on… *** J D Thomas ThomaStudios > On Jul 23, 2016, at 4:14 PM, Robert Patterson > wrote: > > You guys may be hitting the frame limit of 32767, especially if there > aren't many rests or if you use a lot of multiple layers. For any work with > 10's of staves, I wouldn't take it past 1000 bars before splitting into a > new file. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] 2012 vs 2014.5 speed test
Very useful information, Robert. Thank you. I am away from home now, but I'll check that number when I get home tonight. After working with a musical that I wrote back in 1999 that had different files for every song, I swore that the next project like this I would keep in one file no matter what. Raymond Horton Composer, Arranger Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church Retired Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra, 1971-2016 On Jul 23, 2016 7:15 PM, "Robert Patterson" wrote: > You guys may be hitting the frame limit of 32767, especially if there > aren't many rests or if you use a lot of multiple layers. For any work with > 10's of staves, I wouldn't take it past 1000 bars before splitting into a > new file. > > On Sat, Jul 23, 2016 at 4:47 PM, J D Thomas wrote: > > > Hi Raymond, > > > > I have been having very similar issues with a two-act opera I’ve been > > working on. Each act is about 1500 measures, full orchestra and up to 18 > > characters in vocal lines with lyrics. Everything you’re experiencing I > > have been dealing with for the past several months: > > saving file takes up to 18-20 seconds. > > time signature changes takes about 90 seconds. > > instrument changes take over a minute. > > JW Navigation plugin refuses to work at all on these files, but it works > > fine on other files. > > Lyric editing can be most frustrating. I have each character with its > own > > separate verse for overall organization, and sometimes, when selecting a > > verse, I get the spinning beachball for over a minute. But it’s quite > > random. > > File size more than doubled when converting from 2012. > > > > This is all in Finale Mac 2014. 2014.5 is worse; completely unusable. > > And, to be honest, things weren’t much better back in 2012. I abandoned > > that version since it’s quite buggy under my current OS, Yosemite > 10.10.5. > > > > I have discussed these issues with MM, and they confirm Finale doesn’t > > like large files! No shit Sherlock!! > > > > I know this doesn’t help your situation, but you’re not alone here. > > > > *** > > J D Thomas > > ThomaStudios > > > > > > > On Jul 23, 2016, at 2:20 PM, Raymond Horton > > wrote: > > > > > > One more one more thing. Trudging along in 2014 now , I have been > > reminded > > > that every time signature change takes a very long time, about a minute > > or > > > so. I hope I can move this file back to 2012 before I die of boredom or > > old > > > age or both. > > > > > > Raymond Horton > > > Composer, Arranger > > > Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church > > > Retired Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra, 1971-2016 > > > > > > > > > On Jul 23, 2016 3:25 PM, "Raymond Horton" > > wrote: > > > > > >> I promised this several weeks ago but put it off. Unfortunately, > today I > > >> was forced to go back and forth between the two versions because my > file > > >> kept crashing in 2012. > > >> (Windows 10 , three year old computer that should be fast enough for > > most > > >> apps.) > > >> The file in question is more than 2,000 measures for orchestra, 5 > voice > > >> parts, and two pianos. Orchestra is 8 Woodwinds, five brass, timpani, > > >> percussion, and a xylophone - Glockenspiel staff. > > >> Saving this file in 2012 takes about 3 seconds, in 2014 22 seconds! > > >> Exporting the 2014 file to a 2012 file takes about 11 seconds. > > >> So, I have been working on it in 2012 for the past several months. But > > the > > >> good news for 2014 is that the crashing that has been happening, today > > >> only, every time I edit a certain part of the score happens in 2012 > but > > not > > >> 2014. So, despite the time problems, I may need to finish this file in > > 2014. > > >> > > > ___ > > > Finale mailing list > > > Finale@shsu.edu > > > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > > > > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > > > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu > > > > > > > > > ___ > > Finale mailing list > > Finale@shsu.edu > > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu > > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] 2012 vs 2014.5 speed test
You guys may be hitting the frame limit of 32767, especially if there aren't many rests or if you use a lot of multiple layers. For any work with 10's of staves, I wouldn't take it past 1000 bars before splitting into a new file. On Sat, Jul 23, 2016 at 4:47 PM, J D Thomas wrote: > Hi Raymond, > > I have been having very similar issues with a two-act opera I’ve been > working on. Each act is about 1500 measures, full orchestra and up to 18 > characters in vocal lines with lyrics. Everything you’re experiencing I > have been dealing with for the past several months: > saving file takes up to 18-20 seconds. > time signature changes takes about 90 seconds. > instrument changes take over a minute. > JW Navigation plugin refuses to work at all on these files, but it works > fine on other files. > Lyric editing can be most frustrating. I have each character with its own > separate verse for overall organization, and sometimes, when selecting a > verse, I get the spinning beachball for over a minute. But it’s quite > random. > File size more than doubled when converting from 2012. > > This is all in Finale Mac 2014. 2014.5 is worse; completely unusable. > And, to be honest, things weren’t much better back in 2012. I abandoned > that version since it’s quite buggy under my current OS, Yosemite 10.10.5. > > I have discussed these issues with MM, and they confirm Finale doesn’t > like large files! No shit Sherlock!! > > I know this doesn’t help your situation, but you’re not alone here. > > *** > J D Thomas > ThomaStudios > > > > On Jul 23, 2016, at 2:20 PM, Raymond Horton > wrote: > > > > One more one more thing. Trudging along in 2014 now , I have been > reminded > > that every time signature change takes a very long time, about a minute > or > > so. I hope I can move this file back to 2012 before I die of boredom or > old > > age or both. > > > > Raymond Horton > > Composer, Arranger > > Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church > > Retired Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra, 1971-2016 > > > > > > On Jul 23, 2016 3:25 PM, "Raymond Horton" > wrote: > > > >> I promised this several weeks ago but put it off. Unfortunately, today I > >> was forced to go back and forth between the two versions because my file > >> kept crashing in 2012. > >> (Windows 10 , three year old computer that should be fast enough for > most > >> apps.) > >> The file in question is more than 2,000 measures for orchestra, 5 voice > >> parts, and two pianos. Orchestra is 8 Woodwinds, five brass, timpani, > >> percussion, and a xylophone - Glockenspiel staff. > >> Saving this file in 2012 takes about 3 seconds, in 2014 22 seconds! > >> Exporting the 2014 file to a 2012 file takes about 11 seconds. > >> So, I have been working on it in 2012 for the past several months. But > the > >> good news for 2014 is that the crashing that has been happening, today > >> only, every time I edit a certain part of the score happens in 2012 but > not > >> 2014. So, despite the time problems, I may need to finish this file in > 2014. > >> > > ___ > > Finale mailing list > > Finale@shsu.edu > > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu > > > > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu > ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] 2012 vs 2014.5 speed test, now a request for help
Well, exporting back to 2012 has not helped me a bit. Now this file crashes everytime I click on anything. I'd appreciate any advice anyone has. Thanks Raymond Horton Composer, Arranger Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church Retired Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra, 1971-2016 On Jul 23, 2016 5:48 PM, "J D Thomas" wrote: > Hi Raymond, > > I have been having very similar issues with a two-act opera I’ve been > working on. Each act is about 1500 measures, full orchestra and up to 18 > characters in vocal lines with lyrics. Everything you’re experiencing I > have been dealing with for the past several months: > saving file takes up to 18-20 seconds. > time signature changes takes about 90 seconds. > instrument changes take over a minute. > JW Navigation plugin refuses to work at all on these files, but it works > fine on other files. > Lyric editing can be most frustrating. I have each character with its own > separate verse for overall organization, and sometimes, when selecting a > verse, I get the spinning beachball for over a minute. But it’s quite > random. > File size more than doubled when converting from 2012. > > This is all in Finale Mac 2014. 2014.5 is worse; completely unusable. > And, to be honest, things weren’t much better back in 2012. I abandoned > that version since it’s quite buggy under my current OS, Yosemite 10.10.5. > > I have discussed these issues with MM, and they confirm Finale doesn’t > like large files! No shit Sherlock!! > > I know this doesn’t help your situation, but you’re not alone here. > > *** > J D Thomas > ThomaStudios > > > > On Jul 23, 2016, at 2:20 PM, Raymond Horton > wrote: > > > > One more one more thing. Trudging along in 2014 now , I have been > reminded > > that every time signature change takes a very long time, about a minute > or > > so. I hope I can move this file back to 2012 before I die of boredom or > old > > age or both. > > > > Raymond Horton > > Composer, Arranger > > Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church > > Retired Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra, 1971-2016 > > > > > > On Jul 23, 2016 3:25 PM, "Raymond Horton" > wrote: > > > >> I promised this several weeks ago but put it off. Unfortunately, today I > >> was forced to go back and forth between the two versions because my file > >> kept crashing in 2012. > >> (Windows 10 , three year old computer that should be fast enough for > most > >> apps.) > >> The file in question is more than 2,000 measures for orchestra, 5 voice > >> parts, and two pianos. Orchestra is 8 Woodwinds, five brass, timpani, > >> percussion, and a xylophone - Glockenspiel staff. > >> Saving this file in 2012 takes about 3 seconds, in 2014 22 seconds! > >> Exporting the 2014 file to a 2012 file takes about 11 seconds. > >> So, I have been working on it in 2012 for the past several months. But > the > >> good news for 2014 is that the crashing that has been happening, today > >> only, every time I edit a certain part of the score happens in 2012 but > not > >> 2014. So, despite the time problems, I may need to finish this file in > 2014. > >> > > ___ > > Finale mailing list > > Finale@shsu.edu > > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu > > > > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] 2012 vs 2014.5 speed test
Hi Raymond, I have been having very similar issues with a two-act opera I’ve been working on. Each act is about 1500 measures, full orchestra and up to 18 characters in vocal lines with lyrics. Everything you’re experiencing I have been dealing with for the past several months: saving file takes up to 18-20 seconds. time signature changes takes about 90 seconds. instrument changes take over a minute. JW Navigation plugin refuses to work at all on these files, but it works fine on other files. Lyric editing can be most frustrating. I have each character with its own separate verse for overall organization, and sometimes, when selecting a verse, I get the spinning beachball for over a minute. But it’s quite random. File size more than doubled when converting from 2012. This is all in Finale Mac 2014. 2014.5 is worse; completely unusable. And, to be honest, things weren’t much better back in 2012. I abandoned that version since it’s quite buggy under my current OS, Yosemite 10.10.5. I have discussed these issues with MM, and they confirm Finale doesn’t like large files! No shit Sherlock!! I know this doesn’t help your situation, but you’re not alone here. *** J D Thomas ThomaStudios > On Jul 23, 2016, at 2:20 PM, Raymond Horton wrote: > > One more one more thing. Trudging along in 2014 now , I have been reminded > that every time signature change takes a very long time, about a minute or > so. I hope I can move this file back to 2012 before I die of boredom or old > age or both. > > Raymond Horton > Composer, Arranger > Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church > Retired Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra, 1971-2016 > > > On Jul 23, 2016 3:25 PM, "Raymond Horton" wrote: > >> I promised this several weeks ago but put it off. Unfortunately, today I >> was forced to go back and forth between the two versions because my file >> kept crashing in 2012. >> (Windows 10 , three year old computer that should be fast enough for most >> apps.) >> The file in question is more than 2,000 measures for orchestra, 5 voice >> parts, and two pianos. Orchestra is 8 Woodwinds, five brass, timpani, >> percussion, and a xylophone - Glockenspiel staff. >> Saving this file in 2012 takes about 3 seconds, in 2014 22 seconds! >> Exporting the 2014 file to a 2012 file takes about 11 seconds. >> So, I have been working on it in 2012 for the past several months. But the >> good news for 2014 is that the crashing that has been happening, today >> only, every time I edit a certain part of the score happens in 2012 but not >> 2014. So, despite the time problems, I may need to finish this file in 2014. >> > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu > ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] 2012 vs 2014.5 speed test
One more one more thing. Trudging along in 2014 now , I have been reminded that every time signature change takes a very long time, about a minute or so. I hope I can move this file back to 2012 before I die of boredom or old age or both. Raymond Horton Composer, Arranger Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church Retired Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra, 1971-2016 On Jul 23, 2016 3:25 PM, "Raymond Horton" wrote: > I promised this several weeks ago but put it off. Unfortunately, today I > was forced to go back and forth between the two versions because my file > kept crashing in 2012. > (Windows 10 , three year old computer that should be fast enough for most > apps.) > The file in question is more than 2,000 measures for orchestra, 5 voice > parts, and two pianos. Orchestra is 8 Woodwinds, five brass, timpani, > percussion, and a xylophone - Glockenspiel staff. > Saving this file in 2012 takes about 3 seconds, in 2014 22 seconds! > Exporting the 2014 file to a 2012 file takes about 11 seconds. > So, I have been working on it in 2012 for the past several months. But the > good news for 2014 is that the crashing that has been happening, today > only, every time I edit a certain part of the score happens in 2012 but not > 2014. So, despite the time problems, I may need to finish this file in 2014. > ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] 2012 vs 2014.5 speed test
One more thing. The file size is about twice as big and 2014.5. 3515 KB in 2012, 6560 KB in 2014. Raymond Horton On Jul 23, 2016 3:25 PM, "Raymond Horton" wrote: > I promised this several weeks ago but put it off. Unfortunately, today I > was forced to go back and forth between the two versions because my file > kept crashing in 2012. > (Windows 10 , three year old computer that should be fast enough for most > apps.) > The file in question is more than 2,000 measures for orchestra, 5 voice > parts, and two pianos. Orchestra is 8 Woodwinds, five brass, timpani, > percussion, and a xylophone - Glockenspiel staff. > Saving this file in 2012 takes about 3 seconds, in 2014 22 seconds! > Exporting the 2014 file to a 2012 file takes about 11 seconds. > So, I have been working on it in 2012 for the past several months. But the > good news for 2014 is that the crashing that has been happening, today > only, every time I edit a certain part of the score happens in 2012 but not > 2014. So, despite the time problems, I may need to finish this file in 2014. > ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
[Finale] 2012 vs 2014.5 speed test
I promised this several weeks ago but put it off. Unfortunately, today I was forced to go back and forth between the two versions because my file kept crashing in 2012. (Windows 10 , three year old computer that should be fast enough for most apps.) The file in question is more than 2,000 measures for orchestra, 5 voice parts, and two pianos. Orchestra is 8 Woodwinds, five brass, timpani, percussion, and a xylophone - Glockenspiel staff. Saving this file in 2012 takes about 3 seconds, in 2014 22 seconds! Exporting the 2014 file to a 2012 file takes about 11 seconds. So, I have been working on it in 2012 for the past several months. But the good news for 2014 is that the crashing that has been happening, today only, every time I edit a certain part of the score happens in 2012 but not 2014. So, despite the time problems, I may need to finish this file in 2014. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
