Re: [Finale] Controlled accel.
David W. Fenton wrote: [snip) Does anyone know if MakeMusic is intending to provide finer control over HP parameters than one finds in Finale 2005? And, ACK, why does everything have REVERB turned up so high? Reverb doesn't improve synthesized sound at all -- just makes it harder to hear! I quickly adjusted that to turn it off! http://www.finalemusic.com/finale/features/hearyourmusic/humanplayback.aspx is the URL for their page listing what they feel are the important details. This starts http:// and ends with .aspx in case it gets split on your display. Interestingly they mention that they are including More custom settings — reverb room types, marching band options, support for Garritan Personal Orchestra, and more. and they mention specifically marching band options so with this feature they are aware of marching bands but not if we want to use Garritan sounds. They don't itemize what those marching band options are -- maybe it's playback without saxes using GPO. :-) -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Controlled accel.
On 15 Jul 2005 at 6:30, dhbailey wrote: David W. Fenton wrote: [snip) Does anyone know if MakeMusic is intending to provide finer control over HP parameters than one finds in Finale 2005? And, ACK, why does everything have REVERB turned up so high? Reverb doesn't improve synthesized sound at all -- just makes it harder to hear! I quickly adjusted that to turn it off! http://www.finalemusic.com/finale/features/hearyourmusic/humanplayback .aspx is the URL for their page listing what they feel are the important details. This starts http:// and ends with .aspx in case it gets split on your display. Most of the additions are quite opaque in the kind of effect they implement, or apply to specialized needs. None of the control given applies to the behavior of specific sub-clasess of HP behavior. The ability to have sections of the piece without HP (which is implied by the ability to apply different styles of HP to different parts) was something I assumed was part of the basic HP implementation. I had assumed there'd be a No HP staff style. I was obviously wrong. -- David W. Fentonhttp://www.bway.net/~dfenton David Fenton Associateshttp://www.bway.net/~dfassoc All non-quoted content (c) David W. Fenton, all rights reserved ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Controlled accel.
David, You can apply HP selectively using the Apply Human Playback plugin. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 15 Jul 2005, at 3:34 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: On 15 Jul 2005 at 6:30, dhbailey wrote: David W. Fenton wrote: [snip) Does anyone know if MakeMusic is intending to provide finer control over HP parameters than one finds in Finale 2005? And, ACK, why does everything have REVERB turned up so high? Reverb doesn't improve synthesized sound at all -- just makes it harder to hear! I quickly adjusted that to turn it off! http://www.finalemusic.com/finale/features/hearyourmusic/humanplayback .aspx is the URL for their page listing what they feel are the important details. This starts http:// and ends with .aspx in case it gets split on your display. Most of the additions are quite opaque in the kind of effect they implement, or apply to specialized needs. None of the control given applies to the behavior of specific sub-clasess of HP behavior. The ability to have sections of the piece without HP (which is implied by the ability to apply different styles of HP to different parts) was something I assumed was part of the basic HP implementation. I had assumed there'd be a No HP staff style. I was obviously wrong. -- David W. Fentonhttp://www.bway.net/~dfenton David Fenton Associateshttp://www.bway.net/~dfassoc All non-quoted content (c) David W. Fenton, all rights reserved ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Controlled accel.
On Jul 15, 2005, at 3:34 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: The ability to have sections of the piece without HP (which is implied by the ability to apply different styles of HP to different parts) was something I assumed was part of the basic HP implementation. I had assumed there'd be a No HP staff style. I was obviously wrong. No you weren't. The Apply Human Playback plugin can be applied to selected passages of a work, and the HP style that you select can be None. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Controlled accel.
On 15 Jul 2005 at 15:43, Christopher Smith wrote: On Jul 15, 2005, at 3:34 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: The ability to have sections of the piece without HP (which is implied by the ability to apply different styles of HP to different parts) was something I assumed was part of the basic HP implementation. I had assumed there'd be a No HP staff style. I was obviously wrong. No you weren't. The Apply Human Playback plugin can be applied to selected passages of a work, and the HP style that you select can be None. I answered this in reply to Darcy, but it seems quite clear to me that this plugin does something completely different than what the Finale web page promises for the new HP. -- David W. Fentonhttp://www.bway.net/~dfenton David Fenton Associateshttp://www.bway.net/~dfassoc All non-quoted content (c) David W. Fenton, all rights reserved ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Controlled accel.
On 15 Jul 2005, at 4:20 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: No you weren't. The Apply Human Playback plugin can be applied to selected passages of a work, and the HP style that you select can be None. I answered this in reply to Darcy, but it seems quite clear to me that this plugin does something completely different than what the Finale web page promises for the new HP. I'm afraid I don't understand what you are talking about. The Apply Human Playback plugin works exactly like regular human playback, except you can apply it selectively -- which makes it possible to freely mix sections with different HP settings and/or no HP setting. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Controlled accel.
On 15 Jul 2005 at 15:36, Darcy James Argue wrote: You can apply HP selectively using the Apply Human Playback plugin. That's very different from what I understood the Finale web page to say. That plugin writes the human playback data into the file's permanent MIDI data. That's quite different from doing on-the-fly HP, and having the on- the-fly HP use different parameters in different sections, and use none at all in some sections. If all MakeMusic has done is incorporate the plugin's writing of the HP data to the files MIDI data, then it looks like badly misleading advertising to me. -- David W. Fentonhttp://www.bway.net/~dfenton David Fenton Associateshttp://www.bway.net/~dfassoc All non-quoted content (c) David W. Fenton, all rights reserved ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Controlled accel.
On 15 Jul 2005, at 4:33 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: So, as I said, the web page is misleading, if not outright lying. I agree, it's a bit misleading. The actual new features are under the New in Finale 2006 heading. The bullet points below Listen to the difference are all Fin2k5 features. In fact, it looks exactly the same as the Fin2k5 promo page. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Controlled accel.
On 15 Jul 2005, at 4:38 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: On 15 Jul 2005, at 4:33 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: So, as I said, the web page is misleading, if not outright lying. I agree, it's a bit misleading. The actual new features are under the New in Finale 2006 heading. The bullet points below Listen to the difference are all Fin2k5 features. In fact, it looks exactly the same as the Fin2k5 promo page. Except -- of course -- the bullet point about GPO. So yeah, I see what you mean -- it's badly organized and misleading. I don't think there's anything nefarious going on, just bad copy-editing. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Controlled accel.
On 15 Jul 2005 at 16:38, Darcy James Argue wrote: On 15 Jul 2005, at 4:33 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: So, as I said, the web page is misleading, if not outright lying. I agree, it's a bit misleading. The actual new features are under the New in Finale 2006 heading. The bullet points below Listen to the difference are all Fin2k5 features. In fact, it looks exactly the same as the Fin2k5 promo page. Well, that's not true, either. If you look at the screenshot of the Human Playback Preferences dialog, that has a dozen or so new parameters that do not exist in Finale 2005 (at least, not in the DEMO). So, I guess More custom settings means in comparison to the immediately previous version while now with... means that it has it now, but that doesn't mean it didn't have it before. As I said, misleading at best. -- David W. Fentonhttp://www.bway.net/~dfenton David Fenton Associateshttp://www.bway.net/~dfassoc All non-quoted content (c) David W. Fenton, all rights reserved ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Controlled accel.
Ever since the unfortunate demise of JW Tempo for Mac, I've been looking for an easy way to tell Finale Change smoothly from q=X to q=Y over Z number of measures. I know tempo improvements are coming in Fin2k6, but is there any *easy* way to do this in FinMac2k5? (And just in case, using shape expressions = NOT EASY, unless you have developed some painless method you'd like to share.) - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Controlled accel.
Ever since the unfortunate demise of JW Tempo for Mac, I've been looking for an easy way to tell Finale Change smoothly from q=X to q=Y over Z number of measures. I know tempo improvements are coming in Fin2k6, but is there any *easy* way to do this in FinMac2k5? (And just in case, using shape expressions = NOT EASY, unless you have developed some painless method you'd like to share.) - Darcy How about JW Tempo for PC? (sorry). I feel your pain; I use this plugin a LOT. Lee Actor Composer-in-Residence and Assistant Conductor, Palo Alto Philharmonic http://www.leeactor.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Controlled accel.
Human Playback usually does it pretty well. Just make sure to have an expression at the end set to the desired target tempo, and put the accel expression where you want it to start. Tyler --- Darcy James Argue [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ever since the unfortunate demise of JW Tempo for Mac, I've been looking for an easy way to tell Finale Change smoothly from q=X to q=Y over Z number of measures. I know tempo improvements are coming in Fin2k6, but is there any *easy* way to do this in FinMac2k5? (And just in case, using shape expressions = NOT EASY, unless you have developed some painless method you'd like to share.) - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale __ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Controlled accel.
On 15 Jul 2005, at 00:45, Tyler Turner wrote:Human Playback usually does it pretty well. Just makesure to have an _expression_ at the end set to thedesired target tempo, and put the accel _expression_where you want it to start.I don't understand how to do this. Target tempo, OK, but how do I define the accel _expression_ so that it will trigger the accelerando? John___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Controlled accel.
--- John Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 15 Jul 2005, at 00:45, Tyler Turner wrote: Human Playback usually does it pretty well. Just make sure to have an expression at the end set to the desired target tempo, and put the accel expression where you want it to start. I don't understand how to do this. Target tempo, OK, but how do I define the accel expression so that it will trigger the accelerando? John ___ You leave it undefined. That's HP's job. It's supposed to look for the word accel (or variations of it) and then look forward to the next tempo marking (if any) to determine the tempo curve. If it doesn't do that, report it on the Finale forum as a bug for Robert and send it into customer support. I set up a test with note expressions just now and it worked fine. It should also work with measure expressions. Tyler __ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Controlled accel.
On 15 Jul 2005, at 02:28, Tyler Turner wrote: --- John Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 15 Jul 2005, at 00:45, Tyler Turner wrote: Human Playback usually does it pretty well. Just make sure to have an expression at the end set to the desired target tempo, and put the accel expression where you want it to start. I don't understand how to do this. Target tempo, OK, but how do I define the accel expression so that it will trigger the accelerando? John ___ You leave it undefined. That's HP's job. It's supposed to look for the word accel (or variations of it) and then look forward to the next tempo marking (if any) to determine the tempo curve. If it doesn't do that, report it on the Finale forum as a bug for Robert and send it into customer support. I set up a test with note expressions just now and it worked fine. It should also work with measure expressions. Thanks Tyler, I will try this tomorrow. If it works I'm really impressed. I mean really really impressed. John ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Controlled accel.
I've had mixed success with accel. rit. markings. Sometimes it works fairly well. Other times, it does nothing. Most of the time, it doesn't make a smooth transition from one tempo to the new tempo. Perhaps it doesn't work well over short distances (2 measures or less?), with changes that are too subtle or too extreme, or generally with more complex music? I haven't found a pattern - like with most of the HP bugs - which might explain why they haven't been fixed. I wish I could use expression shapes along with HP. I half-recall reading that it is possible now (???), but it simply doesn't work for me at all. Back with FinMac2004, I started communication with MM about playback issues, but quickly began to realize I was spending more time testing their software rather than using it for my own productivity. Rich On Jul 14, 2005, at 9:28 PM, Tyler Turner wrote: --- John Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 15 Jul 2005, at 00:45, Tyler Turner wrote: Human Playback usually does it pretty well. Just make sure to have an expression at the end set to the desired target tempo, and put the accel expression where you want it to start. I don't understand how to do this. Target tempo, OK, but how do I define the accel expression so that it will trigger the accelerando? John ___ You leave it undefined. That's HP's job. It's supposed to look for the word accel (or variations of it) and then look forward to the next tempo marking (if any) to determine the tempo curve. If it doesn't do that, report it on the Finale forum as a bug for Robert and send it into customer support. I set up a test with note expressions just now and it worked fine. It should also work with measure expressions. Tyler ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Controlled accel.
John Bell wrote: On 15 Jul 2005, at 00:45, Tyler Turner wrote: Human Playback usually does it pretty well. Just make sure to have an expression at the end set to the desired target tempo, and put the accel expression where you want it to start. I don't understand how to do this. Target tempo, OK, but how do I define the accel expression so that it will trigger the accelerando? With human playback you don't need to. It recognizes what to do when it sees accel., just as it knows what to do when it sees Tr for a trill. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Controlled accel.
You leave it undefined. That's HP's job. It's supposed to look for the word accel (or variations of it) and then look forward to the next tempo marking (if any) to determine the tempo curve. If it doesn't do that, report it on the Finale forum as a bug for Robert and send it into customer support. I set up a test with note expressions just now and it worked fine. It should also work with measure expressions. Thanks Tyler, I will try this tomorrow. If it works I'm really impressed. I mean really really impressed. John PS: I didn't wait till tomorrow. I use GPO and have HP Style set to Optimize for GPO. The accel didn't work. So I went to HP Preferences and changed Tempo: to HP(incorporate data). It now works perfectly! I have been using Finale for years and am still discovering untrumpeted features that are so very good. John ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
