Re: [Finale] Sibelius 5 announced
In a message dated 6/11/2007 3:49:44 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > The first thing Tech Support says to do if you report any of the > above bugs, is "re-install Finale" which NEVER does anything except > make you lose all your preferences and edited component files. Correct, but hardly a problem specific to Finale. It's a sentence that someone who is in no way qualified to do tech support can read off a sheet of paper. It also represents penny-pinching on the part of management, which doesn't want to spend the money to train most of their support people in anything more than a minimal way. In software terms generally, there *are* users who need to uninstall and reinstall: they're probably the bottom 5% of the customer base, who have carelessly allowed their installations to become so corrupted that they actually are better off starting over. Given that aspect of it, it adds insult to injury when I hear it. For the rest of us, there normally is a fix well short of a reinstall--it's just a question of finding a person who knows what it is. Of the hundreds of times I've been given the instruction to reinstall software, I've done it exactly twice, and regretted it both times. David Lawrence ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Sibelius 5 announced
On Jun 11, 2007, at 9:27 AM, dc wrote: Why don't we start a list of 2007's worst bugs? If we are numerous to agree on these, perhaps we could convince MM to act? For me, #1 is the hyphen bug, or rather bugs, because there are several hyphen bugs (disappearing hyphens and misplaced hyphens, non wysywigness of the hyphens, etc.), to which I'd add, although MM probably considers this as a feature, the wrong, or at least unadjustable placement of the first hyphen after a system break. I made a quick list in a previous email, but here they are in an order of how much they bug me and completely explained. There may be others, but they don't occur to me right now. Enharmonic "fllip" using the 9 key in Speedy Entry does not stick, nor does it work consistently. It also messes up several other operations once you have pressed it more than once, including copying music, transposing music, and explode music (it causes the top line to take the LOWEST note of the chord instead of the highest, and drops the top note completely, as well as spelling that note differently.) Chord symbols do not transpose when they are assigned to a staff that uses Chromatic Transposition. This dates back many versions now. Shape expressions with imported graphics have handles that are far offset from where they are supposed to be (down and to the left) and this amount changes between score and parts, apparently related to staff height, though not exactly, so you never know where your expression is going to be placed or if it will stay there. Any note expression entered with the expression tool will be displaced if the staff has been reduced with the zoom tool. Hyphens. Urrgh, I don't want to get into it. Others have explained it better in any case. Repeat tool - repeat expressions like DS and Coda will not stay where you place them, if you put them right of the right barline or left of the left barline. The amount they move also changes between score and parts, and may be related to staff height (I didn't bother chasing it down, because these expressions have been buggy for many versions now and I long ago switched to staff expressions for these items.) 2-up printing seems to be broken. At least, I can't get it to work with my HP 5100. There seem to be problems with the installer on Mac. I can't pin things down exactly, but some things don't go in the folders they are supposed to go in (like plugins), and factory libraries won't load (you get an error message.) Libraries that you save yourself are fine. Repeat brackets - when they are placed over a first ending that ends up containing a multimeasure rest in a part, then the horizontal bars are too long and they are not selectable in Page View. Staff Styles, when copied in the score, do not appear properly to linked parts. You have to select Relink Staff Styles to Score while in the part to fix it. Un-selecting "Include in measure numbering" causes strange problems to crop up, like applying Barline styles to two adjacent measures at once, among others. Once again, I didn't bother tracking it down exactly, because I just stopped using the feature as hopelessly buggy. When you select Barline Styles as something to copy, ONLY the barline style itself is copied. As far as I can tell, none of the options (like break multimeasure rest) are copied, meaning that you THINK you have copied a double barline that breaks a rest, but you haven't. Many plugins don't work on linked parts. When stems get shortened (in passages with more than one layer in the same measure) only beamed stems and quarter and half note stems get shortened. Flagged stems do not. Adding a new staff with Setup Wizard doesn't give you the same options as if you created a score from scratch with the Setup Wizard, for instance it doesn't create a new instrument for playback, it doesn't add a third and fourth trumpet to the existing group of trumpets (it creates a new group of trumpets numbering from 1 again) and other minor annoyances. When new systems get created (say, you add measures to a piece), they don't have the same staff height as the previous systems. On linked parts, there is only one way to alter this, which is Page Layout>Resize Staff System... (the zoom tool doesn't work.) Check Document Fonts Against System Fonts hasn't worked on my Mac for several versions now. This is just one of several annoyances with fonts that I think is Mac-specific. Extraneous beat charts seem to get created for no reason, with no apparent cause. This causes spacing problems, most noticeable in measures with Slash Notation staff style applied. The first thing Tech Support says to do if you report any of the above bugs, is "re-install Finale" which NEVER does anything except make you lose all your preferences and edited component files. (Ok, that one isn't a BUG, but it IS annoying!) Chri
Re: [Finale] Sibelius 5 announced
Richard Huggins wrote: Excellent idea. An update with NO "new features" would demonstrate MM';s commitment to maintain leadership status and its responsiveness to its user base. Part of me wonders if the programmers wouldn't cheer an announcement in staff meeting to the effect, "Folks, we're goin' bug squashing!" I definitely think there would be a thunderous cheer should such a thing be announced. But marketing has to get their little say (actually it has become the tail that wags the dog) so perhaps some little new, easy to program feature or appearance issue (remember textured paper?) so that they have some new features to brag about, but the majority of the upgrade being committed to squashing long-standing bugs and putting more meat into features which have been there for a long time. Heck, even being able to announce Linked Score/Parts v2.0, where the developers have been allowed finally to do what should have been done for version 1, would be a great thing. And the ability to re-squash bugs which had been long dormant but somehow got resurrected for Fin2007 would be very welcome by the developers. They don't want to issue buggy software, not by a long-shot, but when the marketing department has more clout as to what gets included (remember MicNotator?) and the developers simply have to say "yes, sir," there's nothing they can do about it. I would prefer Sibelius' every-two-years-approximately upgrades with major fixes and improvements where the development team has been allowed to do its job properly and not be rushed, with the higher price ($169), rather than Finale's once-a-year, get-it-out-the-door-no-matter-what schedule at $90. And the $30 that Sibelius charges for it's printed version of the on-line-documentation gets you a real book, not just an inhouse printing of a 2-up copy. At first I was hesitant about Sibelius' future when it was bought out by the same company which owns M-Audio, but it seems as if that company has a better handle on how to let software companies operate than MakeMusic has. Oh well, time will tell. Once the Sib5 program is actually in people's hands and we have a chance to see if it lives up to its promise (the Kontakt2 player that will ship with it allows 16 channels per instance rather than the 8 channels per instance that Finale has) or if it falls short. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Sibelius 5 announced
Excellent idea. An update with NO "new features" would demonstrate MM';s commitment to maintain leadership status and its responsiveness to its user base. Part of me wonders if the programmers wouldn't cheer an announcement in staff meeting to the effect, "Folks, we're goin' bug squashing!" --Richard On Jun 11, 2007, at 6:11 AM, Johannes Gebauer wrote: It seems that Sibelius has done what we asked Make Music to do: An update which repairs bugs and fixes all the little things which are problematic. I really, really wished MakeMusic would do exactly that, too. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Sibelius 5 announced, now top 2007 bugs
At 03:05 PM 6/11/2007 -0400, Kim Patrick Clow wrote: >Finale's PDFs onscreen have always looked bloody awful (this is for PC >users, I'm sure on the MAC it's a different story). I've never >understood what could be so difficult about fixing something so simple >as this. It works fine (small and clean) if you use the "Compile Postscript Listing" selection. These even supports custom page sizes in Finale 2007. Check out some of the scores at http://maltedmedia.com/waam/ The only thing "Compile Postscript Listing" doesn't support is embedding graphics. :( Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Sibelius 5 announced, now top 2007 bugs
On 6/11/07, Raymond Horton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: #1 for me is the one I've posted here to no solution, and the reason I can't use 2007 at all. At any given time, at printing time, my full pages print as only a postage stamp size. Only solution at that point was to print as PDFs. It happened too often, with no warning. Once the stamps showed up, they printed on different printers. Finale's PDFs onscreen have always looked bloody awful (this is for PC users, I'm sure on the MAC it's a different story). I've never understood what could be so difficult about fixing something so simple as this. Good luck! Kim Patrick Clow ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Sibelius 5 announced, now top 2007 bugs
dc wrote: Johannes Gebauer écrit: I really, really wished MakeMusic would do exactly that, too. I'd happily pay for such an update. Fin2k7 is a nightmare to work with, it has reached a critical mass of bugs and problems which is unacceptable, and almost impossible to work with. I'd also pay for that, though less happily. Why don't we start a list of 2007's worst bugs? If we are numerous to agree on these, perhaps we could convince MM to act? For me, #1 is the hyphen bug, or rather bugs, because there are several hyphen bugs (disappearing hyphens and misplaced hyphens, non wysywigness of the hyphens, etc.), to which I'd add, although MM probably considers this as a feature, the wrong, or at least unadjustable placement of the first hyphen after a system break. Dennis #1 for me is the one I've posted here to no solution, and the reason I can't use 2007 at all. At any given time, at printing time, my full pages print as only a postage stamp size. Only solution at that point was to print as PDFs. It happened too often, with no warning. Once the stamps showed up, they printed on different printers. Raymond Horton ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Sibelius 5 announced
On 11.06.2007 dc wrote: For me, #1 is the hyphen bug, or rather bugs, because there are several hyphen bugs (disappearing hyphens and misplaced hyphens, non wysywigness of the hyphens, etc.), to which I'd add, although MM probably considers this as a feature, the wrong, or at least unadjustable placement of the first hyphen after a system break. My #1 is Engraver Slurs, actually it is probably #1-#10 because there are so many bugs about them, which make it almost impossible to use them in real publications, since they are definitely not WYSIWYG, and every single one needs to be checked and many of them corrected. They are a real nightmare for me. Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Sibelius 5 announced
On 08.06.2007 Christopher Smith wrote: On Jun 8, 2007, at 3:47 AM, Johannes Gebauer wrote: Sibelius 5 has been announced. Looking at the new features briefly, I see they have added easy cue notes. Perhaps finally Finale will include such, too? I have been asking for it for years. Huh? In the Plugins menu under Scoring and Arranging you have Add Cue Notes, which is just a fewer-featured example of TG Tools Parts>Add Cue Notes. What's the difference? You know, I think there is an enormous difference, at least if the new Easy Cue Notes in Sibelius work the way they seem to work. The Finale implementations work by actually working around the limitations of layers, which are very inadequate to be used for Cue notes in the first place. The mentioned plugins do make some of these work arounds a little easier to handle, but they are still very clumsy to work. I have asked for better cue notes integration for years. I am not again going to elaborate how I think this should be done, but part of it would be to have a new, independent, cue note layer, which can hold mirrors of real parts as well as independent notes. I have completely given up from using the smart cue notes plugin, it seems to cause me more problems than it is worth. The simpler version sort of works, but so much extra work is required afterwards that I sometimes wonder why we have a computer for this at all, I would be quicker writing the cues in by hand. BTW, as far as I am concerned, Cues simply aren't functional for linked parts. Everytime I tried this I ended up saving a separate parts score, as anything else just cost me time but eventually showed unsolvable problems. It seems that the Sibelius approach is different and more adequate. If it is, I am sure we will see something like this no later than Fin2k9. As far as the other changes in Sibelius 5 go: It seems that Sibelius has done what we asked Make Music to do: An update which repairs bugs and fixes all the little things which are problematic. I really, really wished MakeMusic would do exactly that, too. I'd happily pay for such an update. Fin2k7 is a nightmare to work with, it has reached a critical mass of bugs and problems which is unacceptable, and almost impossible to work with. Johannes And Sibelius has finally added Scroll View (called Panorama), the equivalent of Staff Styles (for instrument changes), made the code Universal Binary, allowed advanced page layout, allowed Plugins to be undoable in short, it seems for once to be playing catchup with Finale, rather than vice-versa! -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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I root for Sibelius even though I've never used it and can't imagine using it unless a project client demands it and the project is worth learning it. Keep the heat on! Breathe down MM's neck! Get better and better. In the jungle, strong animals get old or sick. You know what happens to them. I presume that MM want to make money the old-fashioned way (compete for it with a better product) and that it knows you can't fool savvy users. But, mismanagement is nothing new to American business, and if MM has by some means morphed into mismanagement, what a pity indeed. The management team would deserve every single penalty its performance brings. Sadly, we and innocent employees of MM would pay the price as well. But I don't know enough to know that this has happened to MM or is in progress. I just hope they admit that they are as vulnerable as the next company absent any meaningful strategy to stay in the leader's position. I still enjoy using Finale and especially that it is so vast that there's almost always a way to do something that must be done. --Richard ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Sibelius 5 announced
At 4:06 PM -0400 6/8/07, dhbailey wrote: Eric Dannewitz wrote: Oh wow, they have a SCROLL VIEW now. Wow. Amazing. Those guys are great. Well it may be a yawn to you, but it is certainly attracting this finale-user's interest! And other folks' as well. Especially in view of how many of the recent Finale upgrades have been mirrors of the previous Sibelius release (incorporating Kontakt player was Sibelius first, linked score/parts was Sibelius first). Actually Mosaic had linked score/parts from the very beginning, c. 1992. Only took 12 or 14 years for BOTH Finale and Sibelius to catch up!! Not that there weren't a ton of things Mosaic could NOT do, but one thing it COULD do was to give professional results with the defaults right out of the box. John -- John & Susie Howell Virginia Tech Department of Music Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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Um, no. If I cannot easily import all my exisiting stuff into Sibelius, that is a deal breaker. MusicXML doesn't cut it. I would want/need something that opens it and I don't have to futz with it. Yeah, scroll view is a great feature which I need and use all the time. It's great Sibelius finally decided to put it in. And its great that they, after about a year after Finale did it, make an application that is Universal Binary on Mac. All great selling points no doubt. Johannes Gebauer wrote: On 08.06.2007 dhbailey wrote: Eric Dannewitz wrote: Oh wow, they have a SCROLL VIEW now. Wow. Amazing. Those guys are great. Well it may be a yawn to you, but it is certainly attracting this finale-user's interest! And other folks' as well. [snip] Thanks David, for spelling out what I was thinking, too. Johannes ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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On 08.06.2007 dhbailey wrote: Eric Dannewitz wrote: Oh wow, they have a SCROLL VIEW now. Wow. Amazing. Those guys are great. Well it may be a yawn to you, but it is certainly attracting this finale-user's interest! And other folks' as well. [snip] Thanks David, for spelling out what I was thinking, too. Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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On Jun 8, 2007, at 4:50 PM, Eric Dannewitz wrote: But, I have never had any issues with bugs in Finale 2007. Probably a lot of people haven't. Holy moley! Are you kidding? I haven't had so many problems with bugs EVER in Finale as I do in 2007, and this is going back to 3.2! Maybe it's just the kind of things I do with the program that are different than what you do, but I am constantly having to work around things that just don't do what they are supposed to. And new things keep cropping up every day (like this stupid BIAB autoharmoniser, that I haven't even looked at since I first checked it out how many versions ago, and now I could use it and it didn't work. Apparently I have to do a reinstall of Finale, which didn't go well the first time, and I don't expect it to go well this time either.) And libraries don't load (I get error messages), and I keep getting files corrupted so that I can't insert measures, and articulations still seem to bounce around, and expressions don't place themselves correctly on reduced staves, and lyric hyphens, and the enharmonic flip, and explode music, and chord symbols STILL don't transpose with chromatic staff transposition, and shape expressions with imported graphics have handles that jump around even greater distances and more unpredictably than the previous buggy version, and repeat tool signs for coda and DS still jump around randomly whenever they are horizontally placed outside the barline after I don't how many versions, and repeat brackets are way too long and not selectable in parts when they are over a multimeasure rest, and "do not include in measure numbering" screws up all kinds of things and so is useless, and staff styles don't copy properly, and they don't transfer to the parts properly without a workaround, and copying barline styles does not copy the state of the checked box "break multimeasure rest" so you could have a double bar that you THINK breaks a rest, but doesn't really, and systems added to an old file don't necessarily have the same staff height as the other systems and don't respond to the zoom tool (took me a while to find the way around THAT one!), and my old fonts don't work the same way, and I keep getting empty measures of slashes not spacing correctly because of extraneous beat charts (thanks TG Tools for helping me sort that one out) and so many plugins don't work on linked parts... Ah, I'm getting tired again... Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Sibelius 5 announced
While I would like to have a bugless program, I don't think that is really likely from any software company. my point was simply that sib5 might not have a "major" new feature but it seems to be a version with many very important improvements; i.e. they actually **did** resolve a lot of outstanding issues and **have** in fact fixed many bugs. in other words, this is an upgrade that seems well worth the $ for any sib user, if everything works as it shoud and no new bugs are introduced. -- shirling & neueweise ... new music publishers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :.../ http://newmusicnotation.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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While I would like to have a bugless program, I don't think that is really likely from any software company. Ideally, yeah, it would be great if they could just go through and fix a lot of outstanding issues. But, they also need to keep adding features.so there is a balance. But, I have never had any issues with bugs in Finale 2007. Probably a lot of people haven't. In the next release, if they can hone in the linked parts and maybe squash a couple of bugs, andwho knows.I'll be happy. But, for how many years did Sibelius NOT do a scroll view? That was my major decision never to go to Sibelius full time. I can't stand the page thing it has. shirling & neueweise wrote: Oh wow, they have a SCROLL VIEW now. Wow. Amazing. Those guys are great. from what i have seen (and following discussions with a sib power-user colleague) i think the value of this release is that they have actually -- seemingly -- addressed a number of long-standing issues with sibelius. it seems to be a fairly major "improvement version". i find this quite valuable actually, and can only dream of the year when finale does something similar, stopping the whole "bulldoze forward and hope we don't fuck anything up and if we do, well maybe we'll deal with it sometime, maybe we won't" approach to concentrate on fixing the many loong-standing and newly introduced bugs, finishing the half-ass jobs they started, and making those things that have the potential to be incredibly powerful tools into in fact very powerful tools. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Sibelius 5 announced
Christopher Smith wrote: On Jun 8, 2007, at 4:06 PM, dhbailey wrote: Such as making tech-support easier and friendlier for starters. I don't know when you emailed tech support last, but they changed things a few months ago. It's through email now, and you don't have to give your mother's maiden name every time you want to ask a question. Quite a bit better than the labyrinth net interface they had before. Sorry the guys they have working it don't seem to be quite 100 watts, though. And they will NEVER admit anything is wrong with the program! Just say, "Sorry, that's a bug. We know about it and will try to fix it in the next update." and we will calm down a lot. Well, I'm glad they've changed that - I haven't needed finale tech support in recent months. Too bad they can't get the human response any better. Sibelius says that all the time, when it's true, and nobody on the Sibelius list ever gets angry over the tech support issues. Wish I could say the same for the Finale list here. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Sibelius 5 announced
Oh wow, they have a SCROLL VIEW now. Wow. Amazing. Those guys are great. from what i have seen (and following discussions with a sib power-user colleague) i think the value of this release is that they have actually -- seemingly -- addressed a number of long-standing issues with sibelius. it seems to be a fairly major "improvement version". i find this quite valuable actually, and can only dream of the year when finale does something similar, stopping the whole "bulldoze forward and hope we don't fuck anything up and if we do, well maybe we'll deal with it sometime, maybe we won't" approach to concentrate on fixing the many loong-standing and newly introduced bugs, finishing the half-ass jobs they started, and making those things that have the potential to be incredibly powerful tools into in fact very powerful tools. -- shirling & neueweise ... new music publishers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :.../ http://newmusicnotation.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Sibelius 5 announced
On Jun 8, 2007, at 4:06 PM, dhbailey wrote: Such as making tech-support easier and friendlier for starters. I don't know when you emailed tech support last, but they changed things a few months ago. It's through email now, and you don't have to give your mother's maiden name every time you want to ask a question. Quite a bit better than the labyrinth net interface they had before. Sorry the guys they have working it don't seem to be quite 100 watts, though. And they will NEVER admit anything is wrong with the program! Just say, "Sorry, that's a bug. We know about it and will try to fix it in the next update." and we will calm down a lot. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Sibelius 5 announced
Eric Dannewitz wrote: Oh wow, they have a SCROLL VIEW now. Wow. Amazing. Those guys are great. Well it may be a yawn to you, but it is certainly attracting this finale-user's interest! And other folks' as well. Especially in view of how many of the recent Finale upgrades have been mirrors of the previous Sibelius release (incorporating Kontakt player was Sibelius first, linked score/parts was Sibelius first). And that scroll-view, as David Fenton says, is addressing a major issue which holds may Finale users back from trying Sibelius. Finale had better sit up and take notice and not just think they can do whatever they feel like. Oh yes, Sibelius had textured paper LONG before Finale did. :-) So with Finale having played catch-up to this young whippersnapper of a program for the past few years, if Sibelius can resolve some Finale users' final objections (I wonder if the page-layout enhancements in Sib5 will address some of the supposed "for that final 5% you need Finale" issues), MakeMusic will need to do a lot to attract and keep new users and long-time users. Such as making tech-support easier and friendlier for starters. Failure to address long-standing bugs is another symbol of a "we don't have to care, we're the leaders" mentality which will have the Sibelius tortoise crossing the finish line way ahead of the Finale hare. And while Finale may have jumped on the file-overwrite issue quickly, it has certainly dropped the ball on the hyphens issue and I have yet to see any fix coming for the speedy-entry re-spell notes bug. Oh, yeah, I forgot, we have to pay for any major fixes over the freebie limit of 1, so we'll see those issues addressed in the next upgrade which we'll be expected to pay for, even though they were nonexistent in the previous upgrade which we paid for. Funny how business works -- I coulda sworn that such things used to fixed for free and with an apology! -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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Oh wow, they have a SCROLL VIEW now. Wow. Amazing. Those guys are great. *Yawn* The ideas hub is an interesting idea though.. Johannes Gebauer wrote: Sibelius 5 has been announced. Looking at the new features briefly, I see they have added easy cue notes. Perhaps finally Finale will include such, too? I have been asking for it for years. Johannes ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Sibelius 5 announced
On Jun 8, 2007, at 3:47 AM, Johannes Gebauer wrote: Sibelius 5 has been announced. Looking at the new features briefly, I see they have added easy cue notes. Perhaps finally Finale will include such, too? I have been asking for it for years. Huh? In the Plugins menu under Scoring and Arranging you have Add Cue Notes, which is just a fewer-featured example of TG Tools Parts>Add Cue Notes. What's the difference? And Sibelius has finally added Scroll View (called Panorama), the equivalent of Staff Styles (for instrument changes), made the code Universal Binary, allowed advanced page layout, allowed Plugins to be undoable in short, it seems for once to be playing catchup with Finale, rather than vice-versa! Christopher (now, if only Finale had fewer bugs...) ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Sibelius 5 announced
Sibelius 5 has been announced. Looking at the new features briefly, I see they have added easy cue notes. Perhaps finally Finale will include such, too? I have been asking for it for years. Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
