RE: [Finale] the manual

[Richard Yates]

You should contact Hal Owen, a former reader of this list who also has
written excellent Finale tutorials. He has very poor vision and may have
helpful tips.  

Try: http://music.uoregon.edu/About/bios/owenh.html

Richard Yates


> I have big problems reading these days because 
>my eyesight is extremely poor. To read a book (which can lie 
>flat), I use a magnifier with a bulb, but my bulb broke down. 
>Now, you can say, 'buy another bulb' and I ordered some, but 
>this is Ireland and everything goes unbelievably slow here. To 
>work on the computer, I use a headband with magnifying 
>glasses. It's something that jewellers use to set stones or to 
>do very detailed work. The problem with that is that it 
>magnifies only a little area at a time, so all these things 
>are difficult for me. There is no way that I can read pocket 
>scores, not even with a magnifier. I cannot even read full 
>scores (the big Dover format), so I have to copy everything 
>into a bigger format So I  will print the manual and copy it, 
>but give me a couple of days. I am in the process of writing 
>something and I really want to go on with it. 
>With best regards, Will  

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Re: [Finale] the manual

[dhbailey]

Aaron Sherber wrote:

At 05:51 PM 1/2/2007, Will Denayer wrote:
 >Hello David, I understand what you are saying and I appreciate. But,
 >since you don't know me, let me explain. I have been asking rather
 >simple questions here - and always got a pertinent response, for which
 >I am very grateful - because I find it easy. I have big problems
 >reading these days because my eyesight is extremely poor. To read a
 >book (which can lie flat), I use a magnifier with a bulb, but my bulb
 >broke down.
...
 >So I
 > will print the manual and copy it, 

Will, when you open the manual in Acrobat, you can use Acrobat to 
enlarge it on-screen as large as you wish. This is certainly easier than 
printing the whole (enormous) manual and copying it.




To say nothing of the functions which Windows (I believe he's on a 
windows machine) offers for accessibility, including magnifying portions 
of the screen for better legibility.





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Re: [Finale] the manual

[Aaron Sherber]

At 05:51 PM 1/2/2007, Will Denayer wrote:
>Hello David, I understand what you are saying and I appreciate. But,
>since you don't know me, let me explain. I have been asking rather
>simple questions here - and always got a pertinent response, for which
>I am very grateful - because I find it easy. I have big problems
>reading these days because my eyesight is extremely poor. To read a
>book (which can lie flat), I use a magnifier with a bulb, but my bulb
>broke down.
...
>So I
> will print the manual and copy it, 

Will, when you open the manual in Acrobat, you can use Acrobat to 
enlarge it on-screen as large as you wish. This is certainly easier 
than printing the whole (enormous) manual and copying it.


Aaron.

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[Finale] the manual

[Will Denayer]

'Rather than beginning a message with an almost boastful "Yes, David, 
you are right. But I'm doing my best." in response to David Fenton's 
questioning of whether Will has worked through the tutorials.  It 
doesn't really seem that Will is doing his best ...'

Hello David, I understand what you are saying and I appreciate. But, since you 
don't know me, let me explain. I have been asking rather simple questions here 
- and always got a pertinent response, for which I am very grateful - because I 
find it easy. I have big problems reading these days because my eyesight is 
extremely poor. To read a book (which can lie flat), I use a magnifier with a 
bulb, but my bulb broke down. Now, you can say, 'buy another bulb' and I 
ordered some, but this is Ireland and everything goes unbelievably slow here. 
To work on the computer, I use a headband with magnifying glasses. It's 
something that jewellers use to set stones or to do very detailed work. The 
problem with that is that it magnifies only a little area at a time, so all 
these things are difficult for me. There is no way that I can read pocket 
scores, not even with a magnifier. I cannot even read full scores (the big 
Dover format), so I have to copy everything into a bigger format So I
 will print the manual and copy it, but give me a couple of days. I am in the 
process of writing something and I really want to go on with it. 
With best regards, Will  


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Re: [Finale] The Manual

[Darcy James Argue]

Hi Will,

Obviously you should not have modified the User Manual files. You can  
do a custom re-install of Finale that includes just the User Manual,  
and that's what I suggest you do. You can then open the User Manual  
from the Help menu in Finale.


You may also want to try installing Adobe Reader 8 before you do this.

Cheers,

- Darcy
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On 18 Dec 2006, at 1:25 PM, Will Denayer wrote:



With respect to opening the manual for Finale, you wrote earlier that
you converted the ~.pdf files to ~.rtf format.  Based upon that
statement, if it were me, here's what I'd do.

Hello Noel,

Thank you very much for your help. I tried to do today what you  
were saying. I did everything right, at least I could follow all  
the steps. The manual still doesn't open. Did anyone else had this  
problem before too? Is it possible that there is something wrong  
with my copy. This really begins to annoy me enormously.

With best regards, Will


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[Finale] The manual addendum

[Will Denayer]

Just to see, I went to the GPO site and copied Darcy's manual, which is in PDF. 
This manual opened immediately without any ado whatsoever. So, there is nothing 
wrong with my Adobe Reader. 
I do not understand this. 
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[Finale] The Manual

[Will Denayer]

With respect to opening the manual for Finale, you wrote earlier that 
you converted the ~.pdf files to ~.rtf format.  Based upon that 
statement, if it were me, here's what I'd do. 

Hello Noel, 

Thank you very much for your help. I tried to do today what you were saying. I 
did everything right, at least I could follow all the steps. The manual still 
doesn't open. Did anyone else had this problem before too? Is it possible that 
there is something wrong with my copy. This really begins to annoy me 
enormously. 
With best regards, Will


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Re: [Finale] The manual

[Noel Stoutenburg]

Will Denayer wrote:

With respect to opening the manual for Finale, you wrote earlier that 
you converted the ~.pdf files to ~.rtf format.  Based upon that 
statement, if it were me, here's what I'd do. 


1)  Close all files, folders and programs.

2)  Click on "Start"

3)  Open the folder containing Finale 2007.

4)  In the Finale 2007 folder, find the folder "User Manual". 


5)  Copy that entire folder and contents to the desktop.

6)  Open the folder "User Manual" in Finale 2007

7)  Delete the entire contents, but not the folder.

8)  Insert the distribution DVD or the CD labeled 1 of 2, whichever you 
have, in the CD / DVD drive.


9)  If it doesn't start automatically, start set-up.  When you reach the 
dialog asking if you want a "typical", "compact", or "custom" 
installation, select "custom".


10)  In the custom installation, scroll down the list, and select for 
installation only the item "user documentation", near the bottom.


11)  Install a new copy of the documentation.

12) Complete the installation dialog, and close all windows

13)  Start Finale, select "help", and from the drop down menu, select 
"user manual", and see if you can't get the manual window to open. 


ns

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[Finale] The manual

[Will Denayer]

Hello Aaron, 

What can I do to finally open this manual? Why doesn't it work? Do you have any 
ideas? Best, Will


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[Finale] The Manual

[Will Denayer]

Nothing? Doesn't the right side change to the appropriate Table of 
Contents for the chapter you clicked on? If not, then you should try 
downloading and reinstalling Adobe Reader, per my last post.

 >When I click on 'See next chapter' at the right hand of the screen, 
it
 >gives me the index of the new chapter.

That's right. And doesn't display the first page of that chapter on the 
right?

Dear Aaron, 

No, seriously, nothing happens. I get pdf files from work often and they all 
work fine, so I assume that
there is nothing wrong with the reader. And no, I do not see any first page of 
any chapter, if so, I would
have solved this a long time ago. Best regards, Will





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RE: [Finale] The manual

[Richard Yates]

 
> Nothing happens when I click these icons.

Have you tried a double-click?

RY

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Re: [Finale] The manual

[Aaron Sherber]

At 07:59 PM 12/13/2006, Will Denayer wrote:
>  I try to open the manual by clicking on the book button (or going to
>Help, it is the same). On the right, you can then see what I assume is
>the first page of the manual, while on the left, you can see the adobe
>icons for every chapter. Nothing happens when I click these icons.

Nothing? Doesn't the right side change to the appropriate Table of 
Contents for the chapter you clicked on? If not, then you should try 
downloading and reinstalling Adobe Reader, per my last post.


>When I click on 'See next chapter' at the right hand of the screen, it
>gives me the index of the new chapter.

That's right. And doesn't display the first page of that chapter on the right?

Aaron.

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[Finale] The manual

[Will Denayer]

"What doesn't open -- Adobe or the Finale Manual?"
   
  Dear Aaron and Christopher, 
   
  I dunno. 
  I try to open the manual by clicking on the book button (or going to Help, it 
is the same). On the right, you can then see what I assume is the first page of 
the manual, while on the left, you can see the adobe icons for every chapter. 
Nothing happens when I click these icons. When I click on 'See next chapter' at 
the right hand of the screen, it gives me the index of the new chapter. Sorry, 
it begins to wear me out. Christopher, unfortunately I am on Windows.  
  Best regards and thanks again for your valuable help, Will

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Re: [Finale] The 'Manual'

[John Roberts]

I have several versions of Finale loaded on my Mac computer, including for
OS9. This in particular does not open automatically from the Help menu - I
have to launch Adobe Reader, and then open the manual from there, usually
with a command-O open, navigating to the User Manual folder, then opening
one of the files. At this point you can get to the TOC from anywhere and
navigate from the index.

John Roberts





On 12/13/06 3:48 PM, "Eric Dannewitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> FYI, Mac OS X might still default to Preview rather than Adobe Reader
> even if you install it. You might try:
> 
> Selecting a PDF file. Anything ending in .PDF
> File-> Get Info
> a little box will open with info about the file. Look for OPEN
> if it says Preview, Click on it, it might or might not give you a list
> of other programs to open it with. Adobe might show up there. If not,
> select other than then look in Applications/Adobe Acrobat Reader and
> select the program there.
> 
> You can also tell OS X to open all files like that one with Adobe
> Acrobat Reader as well.
> 
> 
> Christopher Smith wrote:
>> Will, if you are on Mac, there might be a "gotcha" here.
>> 
>> I tried to change the default program to open PDFs to be Preview
>> (faster, smaller than Reader) and ended up defeating my abilities to
>> read the manual from inside Finale. Finale NEEDS the manual files to
>> be opened in Adobe Reader ONLY. Once I changed their defaults back to
>> Reader, all was well, and I was able to access the manual from the
>> Help menu of Finale, as I should be able to do.
>> 
>> Christopher
>> 
>> 
>> On Dec 13, 2006, at 2:56 PM, Aaron Sherber wrote:
>> 
>>> At 01:57 PM 12/13/2006, Will Denayer wrote:
 Because I still can't open the freaking thing.
 I have Adobe Reader, but it doesn't open, 
>>> 
>>> What doesn't open -- Adobe Reader, or the Finale manual? Have you
>>> tried downloading and installing a new copy of Adobe Reader from
>>> ?
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Re: [Finale] The 'Manual'

[Eric Dannewitz]

FYI, Mac OS X might still default to Preview rather than Adobe Reader 
even if you install it. You might try:


Selecting a PDF file. Anything ending in .PDF
File-> Get Info
a little box will open with info about the file. Look for OPEN
if it says Preview, Click on it, it might or might not give you a list 
of other programs to open it with. Adobe might show up there. If not, 
select other than then look in Applications/Adobe Acrobat Reader and 
select the program there.


You can also tell OS X to open all files like that one with Adobe 
Acrobat Reader as well.



Christopher Smith wrote:

Will, if you are on Mac, there might be a "gotcha" here.

I tried to change the default program to open PDFs to be Preview 
(faster, smaller than Reader) and ended up defeating my abilities to 
read the manual from inside Finale. Finale NEEDS the manual files to 
be opened in Adobe Reader ONLY. Once I changed their defaults back to 
Reader, all was well, and I was able to access the manual from the 
Help menu of Finale, as I should be able to do.


Christopher


On Dec 13, 2006, at 2:56 PM, Aaron Sherber wrote:


At 01:57 PM 12/13/2006, Will Denayer wrote:
>Because I still can't open the freaking thing.
>I have Adobe Reader, but it doesn't open, 

What doesn't open -- Adobe Reader, or the Finale manual? Have you 
tried downloading and installing a new copy of Adobe Reader from 
?




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Re: [Finale] The 'Manual'

[Christopher Smith]

Will, if you are on Mac, there might be a "gotcha" here.

I tried to change the default program to open PDFs to be Preview  
(faster, smaller than Reader) and ended up defeating my abilities to  
read the manual from inside Finale. Finale NEEDS the manual files to  
be opened in Adobe Reader ONLY. Once I changed their defaults back to  
Reader, all was well, and I was able to access the manual from the  
Help menu of Finale, as I should be able to do.


Christopher


On Dec 13, 2006, at 2:56 PM, Aaron Sherber wrote:


At 01:57 PM 12/13/2006, Will Denayer wrote:
>Because I still can't open the freaking thing.
>I have Adobe Reader, but it doesn't open, 

What doesn't open -- Adobe Reader, or the Finale manual? Have you  
tried downloading and installing a new copy of Adobe Reader from  
?




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Re: [Finale] The 'Manual'

[Aaron Sherber]

At 01:57 PM 12/13/2006, Will Denayer wrote:
>Because I still can't open the freaking thing.
>I have Adobe Reader, but it doesn't open, 

What doesn't open -- Adobe Reader, or the Finale manual? Have you 
tried downloading and installing a new copy of Adobe Reader from 
?


Aaron.

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[Finale] The 'Manual'

[Will Denayer]

With all due respect, Will, now that you've found the manual, why not 
just look up 'Glissandos' in the Index?

Because I still can't open the freaking thing.
I have Adobe Reader, but it doesn't open, so I converted 43 files or so into 
rtf (I think) and now I have 43 copies of the index. 
God thank I'm not a plumber. 
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Re: [Finale] The 'Manual'

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Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 2:26 AM
Subject: [Finale] The 'Manual'


> Well, I wanted to ask about this before, but it sounds so stupid that I
refrained myself from doing so.
> When I ask something, people refer to the manual, but which manual? My
version of Finale (2007) came together with a book called Installation Guide
and Tutorials. These tutorials are pretty easy, but at the end of every
chapter they refer you to ... the manual if you want to know more.
> This mythical manual is probably on my hard disk, which is some sort of
magical thing to me anyway, but where? The only thing I found so far are the
videos, which I understand, although they go too quick to make notes.
> OK, I guess you are all laughing now. Best regards, Will
>
>
Usually in a folder called "user manual" (at least 2005 and 2006 versions do
so) in Finale installation folder.
When you are into Finale main window, user manual is reachable clicking on
"help" menu at the far right of menus.
If this does not happen, you  could have a bad (weird?) installation of
Finale.

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Re: [Finale] The 'Manual'

[Aaron Sherber]

At 08:26 PM 12/11/2006, Will Denayer wrote:
>Guide and Tutorials. These tutorials are pretty easy, but at the end
>of every chapter they refer you to ... the manual if you want to know more.
>This mythical manual is probably on my hard disk, which is some sort
>of magical thing to me anyway, but where? 

Help | User Manual | Index.

Also see Help | Finale Tutorials, per David Fenton's suggestion.

Aaron.

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[Finale] The 'Manual'

[Will Denayer]

> I was going to suggest that you read the user manual, but it is
> horrible in indexing grace notes and simple entry, so I can't even in
> good conscience tell you to read the manual.

Does Finale no longer include the excellent tutorials? It would seem 
that either it does not, or Will has not worked through even one of 
them.

Well, I wanted to ask about this before, but it sounds so stupid that I 
refrained myself from doing so. 
When I ask something, people refer to the manual, but which manual? My version 
of Finale (2007) came together with a book called Installation Guide and 
Tutorials. These tutorials are pretty easy, but at the end of every chapter 
they refer you to ... the manual if you want to know more.
This mythical manual is probably on my hard disk, which is some sort of magical 
thing to me anyway, but where? The only thing I found so far are the videos, 
which I understand, although they go too quick to make notes. 
OK, I guess you are all laughing now. Best regards, Will
 





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