[Fink-users] /sw/src cleanup
Is there an easy way to identify and clean obsolete versions out of /sw/src? -- --- Harry Erwin, PhD, Senior Lecturer of Computing, University of Sunderland. Computational neuroscientist modeling bat bioacoustics and behavior. http://www.cet.sunderland.ac.uk/~cs0her/index.html --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Scholarships for Techies! Can't afford IT training? All 2003 ictp students receive scholarships. Get hands-on training in Microsoft, Cisco, Sun, Linux/UNIX, and more. www.ictp.com/training/sourceforge.asp ___ Fink-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-users
Re: [Fink-users] guile and libgcc.dylib problems
Hmm, I do have one or two things - from the days before I knew about Fink mainly. Before I obliterate everything in the /usr/local directory, do you happen to know what should be in there - or where I can find out? Thanks Simon On Wednesday, January 22, 2003, at 03:04 PM, Alexander Hansen wrote: Texmacs built fine for me. By any chance do you have GNU-Darwin stuff in /usr/local? On Wed, 2003-01-22 at 09:50, Simon Martin wrote: Hi I'm having problems building texmacs. The configure process chokes because guile can't find libgcc.dylib. From what I can find out about libgcc, it should not be used with Jaguar. Is it possible to persuade guile not to use this library? TIA Simon --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Scholarships for Techies! Can't afford IT training? All 2003 ictp students receive scholarships. Get hands-on training in Microsoft, Cisco, Sun, Linux/UNIX, and more. www.ictp.com/training/sourceforge.asp ___ Fink-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-users -- Alexander K. Hansen Associate Research Scientist, Columbia University visiting MIT Plasma Science and Fusion Center Levitated Dipole Experiment 175 Albany Street, NW17-219 Cambridge, MA 02139-4213 --- This SF.NET email is sponsored by: SourceForge Enterprise Edition + IBM + LinuxWorld = Something 2 See! http://www.vasoftware.com ___ Fink-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-users
Re: [Fink-users] Will Apple give Fink a hard time?
lenny, can you help me with the following: 1.) How did Tenon acquire this blackmail option over the Macintosh (Mac OS X specifically, not Mac OS 9?) implementation of Hardware OpenGL for Xfree86 in the first place? 2.) When did Tenon acquire this blackmail option on Hardware OpenGL? 3.) What part of XFree86 and/or X (X11R6.4?), among the numerous many components and pieces that comprise Xfree86 and X, is the *specific* component(s) that provides Hardware OpenGL capability, when compiled for the Macintosh (Mac OS X)? 4.) How did Apple deprecate Tenon's blackmail option? Did a patent owned by Tenon finally expire? Did Apple license a patent or license software from Tenon? If so, at what cost? I'm an Apple shareholder and would like to know. 5.) Under what license does Apple's release of the specific component(s) comprising Hardware OpenGL for Xfree86 on the PowerPC architecture fall? GPL? LGPL? APSL? Something else? Does not Apple's release of X11 contain proprietary code? Thank you for further elaborating, lenny. I believe this is a relevant topic that should not be dismissed. Please help me to understand the explicit differences between Xfree86 (that I am still currently running via Fink installation with XDarwin) and Apple's X11. I never want to get myself into a situation where the software I'm using is proprietary. I can tell that you're happy about Apple's release of X11 and Tenon losing its grip, but I am afraid to download Apple's X11 and install it ... fearful that I might get hooked into something proprietary. Furthermore to my worry about any part of X11 released by Apple under APSL (or some other restrictive license), there has been some controversy recently about the APSL, in addition to the DMCA. See that proclus of GNU-Darwin is dropping PPC support of GNU-Darwin: http://www.macslash.org/article.pl?sid=02/12/18/2332242mode=flat Posted By: proclus Date: 2002-12-18 11:07 Summary: FREE Darwin! I'm getting ready to draft the yearly report, which is only a little late ;-}. The Distribution has grown and progressed significantly, and undergone many positive changes, thanks to the efforts talented developers all over the world. Unfortunately, there are a couple of things that haven't changed, and it is necessary for us to step up our stridency and activism IMHO. I'm posting these concerns here first, before the report gets written. First, Apple continues the wall-of-silence with respect to their repugnant DMCA-based legal action, and there is no reason whatsoever for us to think that they will not undertake similar action in the future. It is regrettable that the DMCA was Apple-sponsored legislation, and it is now time for them to disavow it and promise never to employ it. Second, APSL is languishing, and it is unacceptable to the free software community. It is now time for an APSL revision, which brings the license in line with the free software definition in accordance with the expectations of GNU Project. In response to the inaction on these crucial items, we are taking two actions. First, we are making explicit and binding the following policy. GNU-Darwin will not support or distribute any software which links to proprietary libraries, and that includes Cocoa, Carbon, CoreAudio, etc. There will be no native package manager from GNU-Darwin (pkg_add suffices). Second, we will be moving our operations to x86, and we are putting the ppc collection into maintenance mode. As always, please feel free to contact me about these issues as well as any other concern. Regards, proclus http://www.gnu-darwin.org/ Thus, in line with what proclus has said about his policy in the context of the APSL needing a "revision", and thus no longer supporting or distributing any software which links to proprietary libraries, I'd like to know just what the heck is going on here with Apple's X11 and what Tenon's legacy is regarding the Hardware GL for Xfree86. What about the future of XDarwin??? Thank you very very much for helping me further understand this very important topic. -Brendan On Wednesday, January 22, 2003, at 02:27 AM, lenny bruce wrote: On Monday, January 20, 2003, at 09:14 AM, KaOs wrote: I wonder if Apple will make it impossible for Fink to continue to develop as it has by the introduction of developer tool changes. The reason I ask this is that the EULA forbids the "patching" of add-ons to the "embedded" Mac apps for OS X. Apple is, in other words, giving independent developers a hard time. They support OpenDarwin, but they do not even mention Fink as an alternative. It seems to me that there is little, if any, cooperation of Apple to the Fink Project. The recent "upgrade" that put the Fink project on hold for months eloquently demonstrates that.., as does the recent choice of an inferior browser as "default". So I would like to know what is the reality of the Fink situation in relation to Apple.., and should I begin thinking of a complete Debian PPC Woody "take-over" install
Re: [Fink-users] Will Apple give Fink a hard time?
Max, I agree that people need to back up their statements. I disagree that this topic is moot on the Fink list. In the spirit of the Open Source Community that Fink is founded on: http://fink.sourceforge.net/faq/general.php#what Q1.1: What is Fink? A: Fink wants to bring more Unix software to Mac OS X, which results in two main goals: Goal number one is porting software to Mac OS X. That means we take commodity Open Source Unix software and fix whatever is necessary so that it will compile and run on Mac OS X. Sometimes that's easy, but it can also be very hard or even impossible for some packages. We're trying to provide tools and documentation to make this easier. Goal number two is making the results available to casual users. For this, we build a distribution using package management tools ported over from Linux, namely dpkg and apt-get, written by and for the Debian GNU/Linux project. The binary distribution uses the .deb package format. For building packages from source, we have our own tool, named fink, which creates those .deb package files. Most casual users do not understand the intricate specific differences between 1.) XFree86 with XDarwin "ported" to Mac OS X (which ports are packaged in packages that are released and maintained by Fink Maintainers on behalf of the casual (or not so casual user), and 2.) what Apple has released in the form of X11 which Fink has already adopted to a certain extent by offering documentation on its site: http://fink.sourceforge.net/doc/x11/inst-xfree86.php#apple-binary Please correct me if I'm wrong, but does not Fink's "adoption" and "integration" of Apple's X11 into the Fink system *break* with Fink's tradition and *goals*: (1.) commodity Open Source Unix software, (2.) building the Fink distribution from package management tools ported over from Linux, namely dpgk and apt-get? Why would Fink integrate something that is proprietary from Apple into what has, until now, been a non-proprietary system? But please forgive me if I'm totally misunderstanding (I read the Apple X11 license and don't see any words in the license (but I'm not a lawyer -- does Fink have any lawyers that can review the Apple X11 license?) that would 1.) allow a Fink maintainer to "fix whatever is necessary so that it will compile and run on Mac OS X" with regard to Apple's X11, and 2.) add to the Fink distribution from ... Linux (dpkg / apt-get). What worries me the most is that XDarwin will gradually vanish in the wake of Apple's X11 which does not allow the Open Source (Fink or otherwise) community(s) to offer fixes to anything specific that Apple has done. What is the probability of this happening? Has there been any discussion about this with the kind XDarwin folks? Would it not be quite feasible for the casual users who have come to know and love (and rely on) the Open Source communities at large, to easily get swept up in the Apple X11 proprietary application and get sucked into Apple's X11, thinking that its also "Open Source" (I.e., "It must be because everyone's using it -- look, even the Fink Web pages talk about it and how Apple's X11 can integrate into Fink distributions"). Again, I am not a lawyer, but would it not perhaps be a good idea to have the Free Software Foundation (or EFF) at least take a look at this situation so that we know exactly what we're dealing with here? Who knows, perhaps in the process we'll also understand that it is that Tenon has allegedly done in the past, too. Kind regards, -Brendan On Wednesday, January 22, 2003, at 10:29 AM, Max Horn wrote: At 12:03 Uhr -0800 22.01.2003, lenny bruce wrote: On Wednesday, January 22, 2003, at 09:32 AM, Andrew Hartung wrote: On Wednesday, January 22, 2003, at 06:27 AM, lenny bruce wrote: X11 on Mac OS X began as a hobby-like interest in the possibilities of OS X that Tenon illegally hijacked with criminal racketeering so they could profit. this guy really needs to get a dictionary. it was a scheme, classic criminal racketeering... * make sure you're the only one selling it * block anybody else from giving it away XonX did all the work and yet Tenon was selling it and XonX held it back. Apple broke up Tenon's little scheme by making XFree86 with HW OpenGL free. Apple was just too big to be intimidated the way Tenon did with XonX. Somehow people refuse to see it with computer stuff... but it's the same crime whether it's done with oil, the right to vote, alcohol, or any other product/service. OK, dude, now unless you can actually give hard facts and proofs for your ramblings (and I don't see how you could do so), stop this NOW. Stop accusing people for crimes when you can't prove it - in most democratic countries, doing that is a crime in itself and you can be sued for it. Even better, stop it anyway, even in the unlikely event that you can prove your statements, because this discussion really doesn't belong on this list. Max --- This
Re: [Fink-users] Will Apple give Fink a hard time?
At 1:19 Uhr -1000 23.01.2003, Brendan Lane Larson wrote: Max, I agree that people need to back up their statements. I disagree that this topic is moot on the Fink list. In the form it was discussed, yes it was and is inappropriate. I will not tolarate people behaving in this way on the list (that is, accusing others, be it persons or companies, repeatedly for having commited crimes, and then having no proofs, which is a crime itself, at least in Germany and the US). In the spirit of the Open Source Community that Fink is founded on: http://fink.sourceforge.net/faq/general.php#what [...] Brendan, you, should first get your facts straight before jumping to conclusion or before believing what lenny or others tell you. Apple's adoption of XFree86 is available in source. The Apple license (ASPL) is recognized as a true open source license by the OSI (http://opensource.org/). The GNU folks may view that differently, but then they view mostly anything which is not GPL as heretic shrug. In fact, go to http://developer.apple.com/darwin/. You can get the complete source for it their, *and* Apple states that they work with the XonX team (the people that ported XFree86 to OS X) to integrate their changes into XFree86. I don't know how they could be more open source friendly (in realistic terms). Fink offers you to choose between compiling XFree86+XDarwin.app yourself, installing a prebuilt binary of XFRee86 +XDarwin.app. In the past we offered the ability to install Tenon's X11 (and if they release it for 10.2, if possible we will allow this again). And nowadays we allow you to use Apple's XFree86+X11.app if you have it installed (mind you, we don't allow you to install Apple's X11, but if you have it installed, we allow you to hook it into Fink). Max --- This SF.NET email is sponsored by: SourceForge Enterprise Edition + IBM + LinuxWorld = Something 2 See! http://www.vasoftware.com ___ Fink-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-users
Re: [Fink-users] copying between Apple's X11 and OS X doesn't work with fvwm
I have the same problem as Dan. If I don't use Apple's wm, copy/paste does not work well at all. I use twm for now, and will likely never want to use Apple's wm because it does not allow me to select windows to become active without forcing them to pop to the front. Very inconvenient for doing work in multiple xterms. Not the most eye-pleasing solution, as twm is very basic, but it works. For doing software development, I need something that works more than I need something eye-pleasing like Aqua. (I'll probably replace twm with a different X-based window manager in the future that additionally supports window shading.) With XDarwin, copy/paste between Aqua and X11 worked fantastic. Copy using Apple-C in Aqua, paste with middle button in X11. Copy using left/right mouse in X11, paste with Apple-V in Aqua. I was ecstatic to hear Apple was providing X11 at first, especially after hearing the reviews. Now I'm not so sure. -- -Kurt Lloyd, [EMAIL PROTECTED], (978) 960-6276 Daniel M. Bikel wrote: While copying between Apple's X11 and the OS X clipboard seems to work fine when you use Apple's wm, it does *not* appear to work when you use, say, fvwm. (I am, unfortunately, forced to use fvwm, because Apple's wm doesn't seem to allow proper focus-switching, as is needed by the other-frame command in emacs.) Anyway, could someone else either confirm this bug, or tell me a work-around? Thanks, Dan. --- This SF.NET email is sponsored by: SourceForge Enterprise Edition + IBM + LinuxWorld = Something 2 See! http://www.vasoftware.com ___ Fink-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-users
Re: [Fink-users] guile and libgcc.dylib problems
Actually, you don't need to 'obliterate' anything. Just rename /usr/local. -- Alexander K. Hansen Associate Research Scientist, Columbia University visiting MIT Plasma Science and Fusion Center Levitated Dipole Experiment 175 Albany Street, NW17-219 Cambridge, MA 02139-4213 On Thu, 23 Jan 2003, Simon Martin wrote: Hmm, I do have one or two things - from the days before I knew about Fink mainly. Before I obliterate everything in the /usr/local directory, do you happen to know what should be in there - or where I can find out? Thanks Simon On Wednesday, January 22, 2003, at 03:04 PM, Alexander Hansen wrote: Texmacs built fine for me. By any chance do you have GNU-Darwin stuff in /usr/local? On Wed, 2003-01-22 at 09:50, Simon Martin wrote: Hi I'm having problems building texmacs. The configure process chokes because guile can't find libgcc.dylib. From what I can find out about libgcc, it should not be used with Jaguar. Is it possible to persuade guile not to use this library? TIA Simon --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Scholarships for Techies! Can't afford IT training? All 2003 ictp students receive scholarships. Get hands-on training in Microsoft, Cisco, Sun, Linux/UNIX, and more. www.ictp.com/training/sourceforge.asp ___ Fink-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-users -- Alexander K. Hansen Associate Research Scientist, Columbia University visiting MIT Plasma Science and Fusion Center Levitated Dipole Experiment 175 Albany Street, NW17-219 Cambridge, MA 02139-4213 --- This SF.NET email is sponsored by: SourceForge Enterprise Edition + IBM + LinuxWorld = Something 2 See! http://www.vasoftware.com ___ Fink-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-users --- This SF.NET email is sponsored by: SourceForge Enterprise Edition + IBM + LinuxWorld = Something 2 See! http://www.vasoftware.com ___ Fink-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-users
Re: [Fink-users] Re: Removing KDE
Title: Re: [Fink-users] Re: Removing KDE Thu Jan 23 09:35:36 EST 2003 To me this sounds like a peck and shoot method. Keep shooting until you hit something... then see where the thread of can't remove dependecies takes you. I only appeared to have the bundle-kde-ssl installed so just for the heck of it I tried: dpkg -r bundle-kde-ssl and that seemed to complete fine, but didn't really affect the fink list- still have all sorts of fink crap. Also - I tried removing arts and one of the errors indicating a dependency was for mplayer. I use mplayer so I don't reallywant to disable that - but it doesn't even appear to me to be a kde app. So the long and short of this is still how can I easily remove all kde elements without destroying my fink installation? -- Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 17:02:05 -0800 Subject: Re: [Fink-users] Re: Removing KDE Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: C. Posey [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Kow K [EMAIL PROTECTED] I would suggest a try to do fink remove bundle-kde bundle-koffice or fink remove bundle-kde-ssl if you have SSL-enabledversion. With dpkg, exactly what you need to remove isn't clear, but the tip is this: 1. first try dpkg -r kdebase3or whatever you like without --ignore-depends option. This gives you a lot of dependency warnings 2. Add all the packages to kdebase3. This should eventually exhaust the list. Good luck Kow
Re: [Fink-users] Installing packages from unstable
Yes. You copy the .info and .patch file into your local tree: http://fink.sourceforge.net/faq/usage-fink.php#unstable -- Alexander K. Hansen Associate Research Scientist, Columbia University visiting MIT Plasma Science and Fusion Center Levitated Dipole Experiment 175 Albany Street, NW17-219 Cambridge, MA 02139-4213 On Thu, 23 Jan 2003, Philip Trauring wrote: If I'm configured to use the stable tree, but want to download one package from the unstable tree, is there a way to just download that package? Thanks, Philip --- This SF.NET email is sponsored by: SourceForge Enterprise Edition + IBM + LinuxWorld = Something 2 See! http://www.vasoftware.com ___ Fink-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-users --- This SF.NET email is sponsored by: SourceForge Enterprise Edition + IBM + LinuxWorld = Something 2 See! http://www.vasoftware.com ___ Fink-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-users
Re: [Fink-users] Proxy settings OK for Fink, not for FinkCommander
Thanks Max for your reply. At 15:31 +0100 23/01/03, Max Horn wrote: Hence when FinkCommander launches apt-get, then apt-get inherits the env of FC which contains no HTTP_PROXY etc. But how come the proxy settings are shown correctly in FC's preferences? Hervé --- This SF.NET email is sponsored by: SourceForge Enterprise Edition + IBM + LinuxWorld = Something 2 See! http://www.vasoftware.com ___ Fink-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-users
Re: [Fink-users] Re: Removing KDE
Mplayer does indeed depend on arts: Package: mplayer Version: 0.90rc2 Revision: 1 Depends: libdvdread-shlibs, libfame-shlibs, lame, ffmpeg, pth, x11, gtk+-shlibs, glib-shlibs, libpng3-shlibs, aalib-shlibs (= 1.4rc5-2), sdl-shlibs, libogg-shl ibs, libvorbis0-shlibs, mad-shlibs, lame-shlibs, libdnet-shlibs, lynx (= 2.8.4- 2) | lynx-ssl (= 2.8.4-2), libdv-shlibs, arts (= 1.1.0-2), mplayer-font, mplay er-skin-default One option would be to use Fink Commander, because you could then highlight everything (except arts) in the kde section and uninstall it. -- Alexander K. Hansen Associate Research Scientist, Columbia University visiting MIT Plasma Science and Fusion Center Levitated Dipole Experiment 175 Albany Street, NW17-219 Cambridge, MA 02139-4213 On Thu, 23 Jan 2003, C. Posey wrote: Thu Jan 23 09:35:36 EST 2003 To me this sounds like a peck and shoot method. Keep shooting until you hit something... then see where the thread of can't remove dependecies takes you. I only appeared to have the bundle-kde-ssl installed so just for the heck of it I tried: dpkg -r bundle-kde-ssl and that seemed to complete fine, but didn't really affect the fink list- still have all sorts of fink crap. Also - I tried removing arts and one of the errors indicating a dependency was for mplayer. I use mplayer so I don't reallywant to disable that - but it doesn't even appear to me to be a kde app. So the long and short of this is still how can I easily remove all kde elements without destroying my fink installation? -- Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 17:02:05 -0800 Subject: Re: [Fink-users] Re: Removing KDE Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: C. Posey [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Kow K [EMAIL PROTECTED] I would suggest a try to do fink remove bundle-kde bundle-koffice or fink remove bundle-kde-ssl if you have SSL-enabledversion. With dpkg, exactly what you need to remove isn't clear, but the tip is this: 1. first try dpkg -r kdebase3 or whatever you like without --ignore-depends option. This gives you a lot of dependency warnings 2. Add all the packages to kdebase3. This should eventually exhaust the list. Good luck Kow --- This SF.NET email is sponsored by: SourceForge Enterprise Edition + IBM + LinuxWorld = Something 2 See! http://www.vasoftware.com ___ Fink-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-users
Re: [Fink-users] Will Apple give Fink a hard time?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday, Jan 22, 2003, at 15:03 US/Eastern, lenny bruce wrote: On Wednesday, January 22, 2003, at 09:32 AM, Andrew Hartung wrote: On Wednesday, January 22, 2003, at 06:27 AM, lenny bruce wrote: X11 on Mac OS X began as a hobby-like interest in the possibilities of OS X that Tenon illegally hijacked with criminal racketeering so they could profit. this guy really needs to get a dictionary. it was a scheme, classic criminal racketeering... * make sure you're the only one selling it * block anybody else from giving it away XonX did all the work and yet Tenon was selling it and XonX held it back. Apple broke up Tenon's little scheme by making XFree86 with HW OpenGL free. Apple was just too big to be intimidated the way Tenon did with XonX. Fine. Show exactly how they kept XonX from distributing whatever they wanted, or shut up about it. It is completely off-topic here. jpb - -- Joe Block [EMAIL PROTECTED] The goal of Computer Science is to build something that will last at least until we've finished building it. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (Darwin) iD8DBQE+MANcyEXo8W2M9hsRAvRWAKCbPsRK4dbUTzEkzkc7trWl7q67yACaAtuo b/m/gfkJaOLXr/hRJa6Aczg= =UhGq -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Joe Block [EMAIL PROTECTED] Alpha Geek s i l e n t ) p l a n e t voice: (407) 673-2250 fax: (407) 673-2260 500 Park Avenue South Winter Park, FL 32789 --- This SF.NET email is sponsored by: SourceForge Enterprise Edition + IBM + LinuxWorld = Something 2 See! http://www.vasoftware.com ___ Fink-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-users
[Fink-users] can't download Imaging-1.1.4a2
Hi everybody ! I'd like to install sketch but the Imaging-1.1.4a2 is needed and impossible to get : % fink install sketch sudo /sw/bin/fink install sketch Password: (...) curl -f -L -O http://effbot.org/downloads/Imaging-1.1.4a2.tar.gz curl: (7) Timeout while accepting connection, server busy: 60 ### execution of curl failed, exit code 7 Downloading the file Imaging-1.1.4a2.tar.gz failed. This error occurs constantly since last week with this particular server... Is there any other place where I can download the package and/or tell fink where to find it... Thanks Bapts --- This SF.NET email is sponsored by: SourceForge Enterprise Edition + IBM + LinuxWorld = Something 2 See! http://www.vasoftware.com ___ Fink-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-users
Re: [Fink-users] Proxy settings OK for Fink, not for FinkCommander
At 15:45 Uhr +0100 23.01.2003, H.Fagard wrote: Thanks Max for your reply. At 15:31 +0100 23/01/03, Max Horn wrote: Hence when FinkCommander launches apt-get, then apt-get inherits the env of FC which contains no HTTP_PROXY etc. But how come the proxy settings are shown correctly in FC's preferences? Good questions. But as I stated, I don't use FC, so I doN't know. I am also not behind a firewall... my suggestion would be to file a proper bug report via the FC bug tracker. Max --- This SF.NET email is sponsored by: SourceForge Enterprise Edition + IBM + LinuxWorld = Something 2 See! http://www.vasoftware.com ___ Fink-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-users
Re: [Fink-users] can't download Imaging-1.1.4a2
I don't know whether this is the best way to do it but this is how I would do 1) run fink configure, see where fink should look for download tarballs and, if necessary, create a directory named /swbackup/src (sudo mkdir /swbackup/src) 2) go to http://effbot.org/downloads/ and download the tarball 3) place it in /swbackup/src (sudo mv xx.tar.gz /swbackup/src) 4) run fink install sketch Hope this helps, Le jeudi, 23 jan 2003, à 16:07 Europe/Paris, Baptiste Cecconi a écrit : Hi everybody ! I'd like to install sketch but the Imaging-1.1.4a2 is needed and impossible to get : % fink install sketch sudo /sw/bin/fink install sketch Password: (...) curl -f -L -O http://effbot.org/downloads/Imaging-1.1.4a2.tar.gz curl: (7) Timeout while accepting connection, server busy: 60 ### execution of curl failed, exit code 7 Downloading the file Imaging-1.1.4a2.tar.gz failed. This error occurs constantly since last week with this particular server... Is there any other place where I can download the package and/or tell fink where to find it... jeanphi -- jean-philippe demoulin -- thésard enst --- This SF.NET email is sponsored by: SourceForge Enterprise Edition + IBM + LinuxWorld = Something 2 See! http://www.vasoftware.com ___ Fink-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-users
Re: [Fink-users] Proxy settings OK for Fink, not for FinkCommander
Have you tried setting HTTP_PROXY et al. in the FC Preferences? On Thu, 2003-01-23 at 10:14, Max Horn wrote: At 15:45 Uhr +0100 23.01.2003, H.Fagard wrote: Thanks Max for your reply. At 15:31 +0100 23/01/03, Max Horn wrote: Hence when FinkCommander launches apt-get, then apt-get inherits the env of FC which contains no HTTP_PROXY etc. But how come the proxy settings are shown correctly in FC's preferences? Good questions. But as I stated, I don't use FC, so I doN't know. I am also not behind a firewall... my suggestion would be to file a proper bug report via the FC bug tracker. Max --- This SF.NET email is sponsored by: SourceForge Enterprise Edition + IBM + LinuxWorld = Something 2 See! http://www.vasoftware.com ___ Fink-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-users -- Alexander K. Hansen Associate Research Scientist, Columbia University visiting MIT Plasma Science and Fusion Center Levitated Dipole Experiment 175 Albany Street, NW17-219 Cambridge, MA 02139-4213 --- This SF.NET email is sponsored by: SourceForge Enterprise Edition + IBM + LinuxWorld = Something 2 See! http://www.vasoftware.com ___ Fink-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-users
Re: [Fink-users] can't download Imaging-1.1.4a2
You don't even have to do that--just download the tarball wherever you like, and move it (sudo mv) into /sw/src. It may be that the server was down, I was just able to get the tarball: [ldx3:unstable/main/finkinfo] hansen% fink fetch pil sudo /sw/bin/fink fetch pil Information about 2108 packages read in 3 seconds. curl -f -L -O http://effbot.org/downloads/Imaging-1.1.4a2.tar.gz % Total% Received % Xferd Average Speed Time Curr. Dload Upload TotalCurrent Left Speed 100 380k 100 380k0 0 122k 0 0:00:03 0:00:03 0:00:00 144k Give it another try. On Thu, 2003-01-23 at 10:41, jean-philippe demoulin wrote: I don't know whether this is the best way to do it but this is how I would do 1) run fink configure, see where fink should look for download tarballs and, if necessary, create a directory named /swbackup/src (sudo mkdir /swbackup/src) 2) go to http://effbot.org/downloads/ and download the tarball 3) place it in /swbackup/src (sudo mv xx.tar.gz /swbackup/src) 4) run fink install sketch Hope this helps, Le jeudi, 23 jan 2003, à 16:07 Europe/Paris, Baptiste Cecconi a écrit : Hi everybody ! I'd like to install sketch but the Imaging-1.1.4a2 is needed and impossible to get : % fink install sketch sudo /sw/bin/fink install sketch Password: (...) curl -f -L -O http://effbot.org/downloads/Imaging-1.1.4a2.tar.gz curl: (7) Timeout while accepting connection, server busy: 60 ### execution of curl failed, exit code 7 Downloading the file Imaging-1.1.4a2.tar.gz failed. This error occurs constantly since last week with this particular server... Is there any other place where I can download the package and/or tell fink where to find it... jeanphi -- jean-philippe demoulin -- thésard enst --- This SF.NET email is sponsored by: SourceForge Enterprise Edition + IBM + LinuxWorld = Something 2 See! http://www.vasoftware.com ___ Fink-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-users -- Alexander K. Hansen Associate Research Scientist, Columbia University visiting MIT Plasma Science and Fusion Center Levitated Dipole Experiment 175 Albany Street, NW17-219 Cambridge, MA 02139-4213 --- This SF.NET email is sponsored by: SourceForge Enterprise Edition + IBM + LinuxWorld = Something 2 See! http://www.vasoftware.com ___ Fink-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-users
Re: [Fink-users] Proxy settings OK for Fink, not for FinkCommander
At 10:57 -0500 23/01/03, Alexander Hansen wrote: Have you tried setting HTTP_PROXY et al. in the FC Preferences? See my first message: At 15:04 +0100 23/01/03, H.Fagard wrote: I have checked the proxy settings in Preferences/Download: they are exactly identical to those entered through fink configure. Hervé --- This SF.NET email is sponsored by: SourceForge Enterprise Edition + IBM + LinuxWorld = Something 2 See! http://www.vasoftware.com ___ Fink-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-users
[Fink-users] Re: Removing KDE
The consequences probably won't be all that dire. Try just doing a standard remove first, to see which packages complain about missing dependencies, e.g. mplayer wanting arts. Then exclude anything that some package you use depends on, and try again, using the force option if you have to. On Thu, 2003-01-23 at 11:15, C. Posey wrote: Thu Jan 23 11:14:13 EST 2003 Hey thats a great idea! I am so used to doing everything via CLI - I forgot all about Fink Commander. So I assume its alright to just go in and delete all KDE like that with much dire consequences? - thx -- From: Alexander Hansen Date: 1/23/03, 9:54 -0500 Subject: Re: [Fink-users] Re: Removing KDE One option would be to use Fink Commander, because you could then highlight everything (except arts) in the kde section and uninstall it. -- Alexander K. Hansen Associate Research Scientist, Columbia University visiting MIT Plasma Science and Fusion Center Levitated Dipole Experiment 175 Albany Street, NW17-219 Cambridge, MA 02139-4213 --- This SF.NET email is sponsored by: SourceForge Enterprise Edition + IBM + LinuxWorld = Something 2 See! http://www.vasoftware.com ___ Fink-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-users
Re: [Fink-users] python/tkinter/tcltk don't talk
Joseph: If you have updated to tcltk 8.4 recently, you may need to rebuild python (if python was compiled with 8.3.4 tkinter won't work with 8.4). If that doesn't do it, please send the error message that you get when you try to run idle. (Note: You must have a X server running and the DISPLAY variable set to do this!) -Jeff On Thu, 23 Jan 2003, Joseph C. Slater wrote: I have Python and tcltk installed (both fink), but they don't talk (can't run idle). How do I make python talk to tcltk? Thanks, Joe \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ (+1) 937-775-5085 http://www.cs.wright.edu/~jslater --- This SF.NET email is sponsored by: SourceForge Enterprise Edition + IBM + LinuxWorld = Something 2 See! http://www.vasoftware.com ___ Fink-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-users -- Jeffrey S. Whitaker Phone : (303)497-6313 NOAA/OAR/CDC R/CDC1FAX : (303)497-6449 325 BroadwayWeb : http://www.cdc.noaa.gov/~jsw Boulder, CO, USA 80305-3328 Office: Skaggs Research Cntr 1D-124 --- This SF.NET email is sponsored by: SourceForge Enterprise Edition + IBM + LinuxWorld = Something 2 See! http://www.vasoftware.com ___ Fink-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-users
Re: [Fink-users] Will Apple give Fink a hard time?
XonX did all the work and yet Tenon was selling it and XonX held it back. Apple broke up Tenon's little scheme by making XFree86 with HW OpenGL free. Then this might be of interest: The beta release of X11 is free of charge, but Apple has yet to announce pricing for the software when it debuts later this year. http://news.com.com/2100-1001-981495.html Cheers, Gary __ ...The atlas-eater with a jaw for news bit out the mandrake with tomorrow's scream.. 'Altarwise by Owl-light' Dylan Thomas Gary Elshaw Film and Media Tutor Victoria University New Zealand http://elshaw.tripod.com/ __ --- This SF.NET email is sponsored by: SourceForge Enterprise Edition + IBM + LinuxWorld = Something 2 See! http://www.vasoftware.com ___ Fink-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-users
Re: [Fink-users] Proxy settings OK for Fink, not for FinkCommander
On Thursday, January 23, 2003, at 08:13 AM, H.Fagard wrote: At 10:57 -0500 23/01/03, Alexander Hansen wrote: Have you tried setting HTTP_PROXY et al. in the FC Preferences? See my first message: At 15:04 +0100 23/01/03, H.Fagard wrote: I have checked the proxy settings in Preferences/Download: they are exactly identical to those entered through fink configure. Try setting them in the Environment pane instead. -BEn --- This SF.NET email is sponsored by: SourceForge Enterprise Edition + IBM + LinuxWorld = Something 2 See! http://www.vasoftware.com ___ Fink-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-users
Re: [Fink-users] Proxy settings OK for Fink, not for FinkCommander
Right--sorry if I seemed snappish. I told him I needed coffee this morning because I thought I missed his initial message, and I definitely need it now, after missing that he was on the wrong pane. -- Alexander K. Hansen Associate Research Scientist, Columbia University visiting MIT Plasma Science and Fusion Center Levitated Dipole Experiment 175 Albany Street, NW17-219 Cambridge, MA 02139-4213 On Thu, 23 Jan 2003, Ben Hines wrote: On Thursday, January 23, 2003, at 08:13 AM, H.Fagard wrote: At 10:57 -0500 23/01/03, Alexander Hansen wrote: Have you tried setting HTTP_PROXY et al. in the FC Preferences? See my first message: At 15:04 +0100 23/01/03, H.Fagard wrote: I have checked the proxy settings in Preferences/Download: they are exactly identical to those entered through fink configure. Try setting them in the Environment pane instead. -BEn --- This SF.NET email is sponsored by: SourceForge Enterprise Edition + IBM + LinuxWorld = Something 2 See! http://www.vasoftware.com ___ Fink-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-users --- This SF.NET email is sponsored by: SourceForge Enterprise Edition + IBM + LinuxWorld = Something 2 See! http://www.vasoftware.com ___ Fink-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-users
Re: [Fink-users] GNU-Darwin Stuff in /usr/local
A very practical solution to this problem is: if you run into trouble compiling a Fink package, try sudo mv /usr/local /usr/local.bak and then compile the package. Afterwards, you can do sudo mv /usr/local.bak /usr/local to restore things to their original state. The things most likely to cause interference are in /usr/local/lib and /usr/local/include. However, there could be problems with things in /usr/local/bin as well, and that's where teTeX (which is harmless) would be installed. -- Dave --- This SF.NET email is sponsored by: SourceForge Enterprise Edition + IBM + LinuxWorld = Something 2 See! http://www.vasoftware.com ___ Fink-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-users
Re: [Fink-users] Mutt and URL's in e-mail: how to launch an aqua browser?
On Thursday, January 23, 2003, at 06:28 PM, Rogério Brito wrote: On Jan 21 2003, Martin Costabel wrote: Rogério Brito wrote: BTW, as another question, is there any reason (lack of manpower, perhaps) on why the urlview isn't present in fink? You know, of course, the package request tracker at http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?atid=371315group_id=17203 There is also a package-submit tracker for the case that you already prepared a fink package for urlview :-) I can make a fink package for urlview (I just compiled it from sources and it worked great coupled with mutt) and contribute it to the Fink project, but I have a question: how does one create a package for Fink? A package for urlview was made a couple days ago. selfupdate-cvs to get it. For docs on making fink packages, see the fink website, click documentation. There is a large packaging manual as well as a powerpoint presentation. :) And look at, for example, /sw/fink/10.2/unstable/main/finkinfo/net/urlview-0.9-1.info and /sw/fink/10.2/unstable/main/finkinfo/net/urlview-0.9-1.patch -Ben --- This SF.NET email is sponsored by: SourceForge Enterprise Edition + IBM + LinuxWorld = Something 2 See! http://www.vasoftware.com ___ Fink-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-users
Re: [Fink-users] Mutt and URL's in e-mail: how to launch an aqua browser?
Where can I find a policy for Fink packages? http://fink.sourceforge.net/doc/packaging/index.php It's quite complete. -- Dave --- This SF.NET email is sponsored by: SourceForge Enterprise Edition + IBM + LinuxWorld = Something 2 See! http://www.vasoftware.com ___ Fink-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-users
[Fink-users] Gnome update-windows stuck
I just completed the (unstable) updates to Gnome and related files (all was up-to-date and working prior to this evening; I had downgraded to imlib-1.9.10-9). After the updates, the graphics are fine, but the applications are locked into the upper left-hand corner of the screen. Gnumeric, for example, will not move from that position. Its menus are covered by the X11 menu bar. Furthermore, the Gnumeric window will not resize as it did previously. Thanks for the continued efforts to add and improve! Package manager version: 0.11.2 Distribution version: 0.5.1.cvs Mac OS X version: 10.2.3 December 2002 Developer Tools gcc version: 3.1 make version: 3.79 (Updates done through the terminal using fink update-all) Stan --- This SF.NET email is sponsored by: SourceForge Enterprise Edition + IBM + LinuxWorld = Something 2 See! http://www.vasoftware.com ___ Fink-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-users
Re: [Fink-users] Will Apple give Fink a hard time?
On Thursday, January 23, 2003, at 02:50 AM, Brendan Lane Larson wrote: lenny, can you help me with the following: wait, hold a sec... I don't claim all that you say. I really don't think you understand what I said. It's XFree86, not Mac OS X, that we're discussing. XFree86 is a X Window Server that runs on many platforms. 1.) How did Tenon acquire this blackmail option over the Macintosh (Mac OS X specifically, not Mac OS 9?) implementation of Hardware OpenGL for Xfree86 in the first place? 2.) When did Tenon acquire this blackmail option on Hardware OpenGL? nobody said blackmail the word is racketeering XonX ported XFree86 so it would compile in Darwin (Mac OS X's underlying layer) but port is kind of the wrong word... they didn't need to provide a missing infrastructure the way one might use GUSI and Cygwin to do to get UNIX programs to run on Mac OS 9 and Windoze http://www.cygwin.com/ - http://www.iis.ee.ethz.ch/~neeri/macintosh/gusi-qa.html Darwin is real (Univ of Calif) BSD UNIX running on the (Carnagie Mellon) Mach kernel basically XonX had to adjust for some goofiness we have with shared libraries and this is the necessary component that enables HW OpenGL support. XonX also came up with the idea for the XDarwin launcher for Aqua. XonX didn't exactly invent the wheel here... it was mainly about realizing it could be compiled easily on Mac OS X. Like a lot of people recently... it occurred to me that I could run ms-windoze programs more quickly using WINE by running a minimal UNIX-X11 combo on Virtual PC and then forwarding the X Windows to my Mac OS X's X11... avoiding MS Windoze. It doesn't mean I'm a genius... it was just something that could be done. It was a drag to do but I did it... XonX's effort was a lot like that. 3.) What part of XFree86 and/or X (X11R6.4?), among the numerous many components and pieces that comprise Xfree86 and X, is the *specific* component(s) that provides Hardware OpenGL capability, when compiled for the Macintosh (Mac OS X)? GLX... but it's part of the XFree86 package. The key is the link between GLX and the host platform's OpenGL libraries. HW OpenGL support in XFree86 relies on two things: * a shared or static link * HW OpenGL libraries in the first place. XonX wrote original code that enabled shared library support in XFree86. Apple wrote the OpenGL libraries that connected to ATI and NVIDIA hardware. Only on Mac OS X was this link payware... and herein lies the mystery. Compiling XFree86 on Darwin was difficult for XonX because they're just people. Apple has unique knowledge because they own NeXT and make Mac OS X. Apple was helping XonX in their efforts to get XFree86 running on Darwin but clearly they were have a difficult time getting a straight answer about why Tenon was selling XonX's HW code while XonX released SW-Only OpenGl when the link relied on Apple's OpenGL code in the first place... Apple was only involved in helping XonX as a nicety in the first place trying to score points in open-source work that wasn't related to Mac OS X... but when this mystery about denying free HW OpenGL support while Tenon sold it started to drive away big customers because it was free on every other platform Apple simply said screw you to whatever the mystery was with Tenon and XonX. They compiled XFree86 for themselves and released it... PROBLEM SOLVED. Some try to defend XonX by saying that their HW-OpenGL-enabled XFree86 was available on the CVS server... but that blocks the majority of the market and it wasn't exactly common knowledge until I began bitching about it. Most people use Fink/FinkCommander as compiling stuff manually is beyond them. The reality of the releases available to the common people was SW-OpenGL-only. Plus, if it was free... why weren't the other packagers of XFree86 on Mac OS X allowed to include the HW OpenGL version on their shareware CDs??? 4.) How did Apple deprecate Tenon's blackmail option? Did a patent owned by Tenon finally expire? Did Apple license a patent or license software from Tenon? If so, at what cost? I'm an Apple shareholder and would like to know. forget the word patent... XFree86's license is open and free The mystery was why only Tenon had HW OpenGL support and XonX wasn't releasing it too... especially as XonX did all the work. We don't know how Tenon kept XonX from releasing it... that's the mystery. Blocking others from releasing something so you can be the only source is called RACKETEERING. Sometimes the government controls special licenses so that they can conduct alcohol sales (State Liquor Stores, for example) or for others that they deem legally entitled to control a market. Tenon didn't have any right to be blocking others yet they were doing it anyway... that's why it's CRIMINAL RACKETEERING. Microsoft did it to DRI (the original authors of DOS) when they closed out DR-DOS to make sure MS-DOS was the only source. Standard Oil did it to local
