Llamas and fjords
This message is from: Misty Meadows B B [EMAIL PROTECTED] We share a common fenceline with our neighbors alpaca and llama farm. It happens to be the one where there is level enough ground for the feeding tubs ...so daily at feeding time the alpacas and llamas are there to pick up any scraps that overenthusiastic weegies flip out. They often stand beside each other across the fenceline during the day and do enjoy each other's company. Last year at the Saanich fair the owner of the horse in the stall adjacent to our stallion asked about the odd sounds he made at times. Yup- the alpacas have taught him to hum. - a fjord making an alpaca hum is something you just have to hear once Makes me giggle tonight just to think about it. Cathy Misty Meadows BB and Fjords, Victoria, BC
Re: Sofa Tipping
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 1/7/00 10:29:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On the subject of things that freak Fjords out, I have to agree that Mountain Bicyclists are #1. But for Taffy I'd have to say that Icelandic Horses rank #2! She absolutely would not stand next to one in any of the classes at the show. She would literally back out of line and move away to stand by another Fjord or a Haflinger. Quite embarassing with the judge looking on! Hate to tell you this, but Lars lives with my Icelandic, Styggur, and does not mind him one bit. Merek
Re: Flash v/s Function
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Anne, Since we are on this topic of type, your story from Norway left me a little confused. It sounds like the judges where just going for looks and the pretty face instead of function. I'd take a real homely, nice mover over a gorgeous looking, average one. What's that old saying, beauty is as beauty does...or something like that. But maybe I am brainwashed by years of working with warmbloods! Elaine Olsen
Re: Agree/Disagree - BDF IDAR - 1 of top 5
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I think if I was a breeder of Fjords for more than just my own personal use, I would take in to consideration how the majority of the Fjords are most used. I think there is a tremendous market for riding type Fjords. Every time I go to a show with mine, I am besieged with the question, 'where do I buy one. And I don''t think the riding types have to be finer boned, lighter weight, etc. It's more how all the parts work together and where the neck comes out of the body and the natural gaits. I'm not a breeder, just a rider, so I probably can't articulate it well enough, but just because a horse makes a great riding horse, I shouldn't think it would make him inept at draft. Elaine Olsen
Bucking and dressage
This message is from: Gail Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] the bucking i've experienced with fjords has only been 2 or 3 times on quinn the youngest. he sometimes does it when playing with knute. it is like you describe' the sofa being moved feeling. he is not a bucker by nature. * i think it is too hard for them to lift the mass they live in.* Denise said, in a sentence, the same thing I had planned to describe in a whole page. My understanding is that a talented bucking horse has the kind of athletic build that is ideally suited to dressage. Lots of power in the hindquarters, suppleness, and the will to put themselves into their work. However, that same athleticism has to be more carefully channelled if what you are after is a quiet, easygoing therapeutic riding center horse (or a really calm horse for middle aged just-got-back-into-riding types like me). So... I don't know exactly what the answer is. I do know that an athletic horse is more suited to the rigors of being ridden (assuming good bone and basic conformation)than a non-athletic horse. But it will also be a lot easier for the athletic horse to buck. No matter what we do, seems to me there are compromises whichever direction we go. Small aside. Does anyone else besides me use conformation instead of confirmation when describing how an animal is put together? I had never seen confirmation used in this context until I got on e-mail lists, but I now that is the only word I see used. Just curious.
Re: Agree/Disagree - BDF IDAR - 1 of top 5
This message is from: Lynn Mohr [EMAIL PROTECTED] Elain, what about us that don't want to ride. I use mine for light farm work at which they excell in their current conformation. If I used your logic I would say we should eliminate the lighter, taller types and only breed to increase bulk and strength.
Re: Sofa Tipping
This message is from: Marsha Jo Hannah [EMAIL PROTECTED] Laurie Pittman [EMAIL PROTECTED] quoted/wrote: On the subject of things that freak Fjords out, [...] I'd have to say that Icelandic Horses rank #2! That's too funny Amy! Never heard of a breed prejudiced fjord before. : ) I have---I've got a Fjord who's afraid of Arabians and Pasos! Near as I can tell, it's a body language thing. Among themselves, Fjords tend to have very subtle body language---a nose wrinkle or an ear twitch speaks volumes. When presented with a breed that has very expressive body language, Fjords tend to read all sorts of messages into it that may not be there. For instance, an endurance-bred Arab might be doing all sorts of nose-flip, eye-roll, prance maneuvers that simply mean Standing here is boring; let's run some more. To my Fjord gelding, this seems to translate to I'm thoroughly pissed off, and am on my way over there to kill you. Now, Sleepy is at the bottom of the pecking order around here, so knows all about getting his body out of harms way when someone offers to kill him. Trouble is, he tends to forget to warn me that he's about to do a rollback and exit stage right to evade one of those killer Arabs that we meet on the trail; thud. My, that plump boy can be athletic when he wants to Marsha Jo HannahMurphy must have been a horseman-- [EMAIL PROTECTED] anything that can go wrong, will! 30 mi SSE of San Francisco, Calif.
Flash v/s Function
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks, Lori and Linda, for bringing up the topic of type in the middle of the talks on fjords and performance. I wanted to share a wonderful moment (there were many) from the trip to Norway last spring. There were two mares left in the final selection of two or three year old mares at the show at Forde. One was a wonderful mover; free and uphill, pushing from behind; all those things that attract a dressage rider's eye. The other was not as nice a mover but was drop dead beautiful; a head and face to die for, striking in color and would turn anyone's head, horse person or not. The judges deliberated for a long long time and finally chose the nicer looking mare for first place. When I asked them why, they said that it was a tough decision but basically felt that it was more important to preserve type in the breed than to breed for more extravagant movement which, while it has it's place is not necessarily what is needed to pull the cart up the mountain slope or work the fields...I loved that moment because it took my trained sport horse train of thought and soundly planted it in the context of the breed at hand. That is what learning is all about. That is what the trip to Norway was all about and that is what breeding should be all about. Just a thought. Anne
Re: Sofa Tipping
This message is from: Laurie Pittman [EMAIL PROTECTED] On the subject of things that freak Fjords out, I have to agree that Mountain Bicyclists are #1. But for Taffy I'd have to say that Icelandic Horses rank #2! She absolutely would not stand next to one in any of the classes at the show. She would literally back out of line and move away to stand by another Fjord or a Haflinger. Quite embarassing with the judge looking on! Amy That's too funny Amy! Never heard of a breed prejudiced fjord before. : ) Laurie
Re: Agree/Disagree - BDF IDAR - 1 of top 5
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jean, Without crossing the Fjord with any other breed, isn't there still room for improvement within the breed, and staying within the breed standards, for a horse with greater rideability and better gaits? I saw a video once from a breeder of Fjords in Germany who owns the top stallion Olhsen (no relation to me) and his young children where riding these Fjords around and they were so balanced, and beautiful movers, light and soft. I not suggesting breeding Fjords for a specific use in dressage, just to make them better to ride, period. I don't know if the average Fjord breeder cares about that, maybe they do. I think that a Fjord that is heavy on his forehand, stumbles a lot, and labors at his canter, isn't really fun to ride. Of course, this is my own opinion. Elaine Olsen
Re: New to List
This message is from: Laurie Pittman [EMAIL PROTECTED] This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Jill Welcome to the Fjord List. I know you from the CD-L, where I mostly lurk and learn about how to raise and train Naughers. Sue Clark-Sorger Crown Oak Fjords Sandia Park NM HmmmI wonder how many other lists the topic of Naugha's has bled over to from the CD-L? VBG If anyone is interested in the history, raising, training, etc. of Naugha's, check out the archives of the CD-L, http://www.trot-on.com/cd-l/ (Do Naugha's buck?) Laurie in NW Washington
RE: Sofa Tipping
This message is from: Evers [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ok, here's something I kow about first hand! Our 3 year old ( coming 4 this May ) Taffy discovered bucking last summer, and it was NOT like a sofa tipping. Way too many people at the Little Horse Show last June had the distinct privilage of seeing Taffy dump me on my behind, then procede to buck a full circle around me as I was seated on the ground. ( In my own defence I must say that I was only half way in the saddle at the time. ) I still had one rein in hand, and she never did tighten it up, but she was certainly getting air. She had all four feet higher than my ( seated) head several times. I was definitely impressed! She did try it again several times throughout the show, including during the bareback Sit-A-Buck class. h, maybe she just took the name of the class to seriously.. but I was able to scold her out of it. Taffy is not the worst bucker I've ever been on; that distinction goes to the Paint stallion I used to own, but she's not the easiest by any means! On the subject of things that freak Fjords out, I have to agree that Mountain Bicyclists are #1. But for Taffy I'd have to say that Icelandic Horses rank #2! She absolutely would not stand next to one in any of the classes at the show. She would literally back out of line and move away to stand by another Fjord or a Haflinger. Quite embarassing with the judge looking on! OK, I've babbled enough! Amy Bud, Tillie Amy Evers Dun Lookin' Fjords http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ridge/8589 Speak yer mind, but ride a fast horse.
Re: New to List
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Jill Welcome to the Fjord List. I know you from the CD-L, where I mostly lurk and learn about how to raise and train Naughers. Sue Clark-Sorger Crown Oak Fjords Sandia Park NM
Re: fjordhorse-digest V2000 #6
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello All, For all of you who are allergic to the word dressage, please fast forward here. I am responding to Carol Rivoire's post about Fjords in Dressage. Carol, I am afraid you are misquoting me just as you have in the past. There is a basic point you are missing in what I wrote in my article. Perhaps it is my fault for not stating things well enough but in any case I would like to clear this up with you and the rest of the readers once and for all. I did not make a blanket statement about all fjords not being suited for dressage. In fact I thought I stated clearly what you yourself went on to say in detail. Many are well suited for dressage at the lower levels and some better suited than others to head up the levels. In truth there are few individuals of any breed that make it to the upper levels; even the most well bred or expensive as you have often stated. Let me make some points about Dressage that perhaps you are missing. Dressage is not a static skill. Think about ballet and the differences between a beginning ballet class compared to the demands of a Balanchine Performance of Swan Lake. Or figure skating. Or any other sport really. There is a world of difference from one end to the other. Everyone ensconced in a sport of any kind for a length of time knows this. When any horse does well at Training Level it is not necessarily a reflection on how they will handle the upper levels. Many many factors come into play and basic conformation is just one. Freedom of movement and float do not necessarily predict how well a horse will be able to do collected work later on. When you make statements about Fjords and dressage I cringe as there is such a huge range of factors and skills required at all the different levels. And there are horses of all breeds who defy all the rules and excell against many odds, conformation or otherwise. Please reread the article and try to understand the distinctions I am making. While I feel that we actually share the same view on some things and have the same interests at heart I feel the need to defend myself when you perceive me to be putting fjords down. Why on earth would I speak so disparagingly about a breed and sport I have spent so many years dedicated to? In my writing I try to speak mostly about personal experiences on specific horses. Everyone's experiences will be different. Your horses have done well at the lower levels and congratulations for that. There are indeed more and more fjords out there doing well in competition and I am thrilled for all of them for their achievements. As some of these horses climb up the levels I am eager to hear those people talk about their experiences which will no doubt be different from mine. Meanwhile keep breeding good sport horses. Anne
on vacation
This message is from: Mary Thurman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi list, Will be going off list for a week. We are going on a ski vacation in Canada. My email server tends to grumble a lot if there are lots of messages stacked up, so I'll unsubscribe while I'm gone. Messages to our private email address will still go through, however. We're heading north to pursue our other hobby - skiing. It's a yearly pilgrimage for us. Grew up in Libby back when it was truly a Scandinavian town. Most kids grew up with boards on their feet, a ski pole in one hand, and a roll of buttered and sugared lefse in the other - with visions of their hero, Lasse Viren, running through their little heads as they trudged off down the track. Needless to say, skiing has changed since then - downhill is now my favorite - but guess it gets into the blood when you're young!! No, we did not have Fjord horses in Libby back then - didn't even know they existed when I was a kid. Glad I found out about them. See you all in a week or so. Mary = Mary Thurman Raintree Farms [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com
Re: Selective breeding
This message is from: Joanna Crell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Oh no I beg to differ!! Even within selective breeding already occurring with riding type and draught type Fjords, the draught ones look like a fuzzy cute godzilla, and would have trouble collecting. Tell that to Larry Poulin who trained the luscious Mark and Felder, both are incredible to ride (except that you feel sprung from their wide backs) and although they are only driven at fairs with wagons and pulling in the woods, I just know that dressage remains within their repetoire! The best thing about our baby elephants is their memory, my experience is that Fjords learn fast and seem to hold onto all the good stuff, somehow they can usually get past the bad. I would love to have help bringing mine across, teaching advanced movements is not my forte` but it is great goal. Lets keep this discussion on training and technique open! Joanna, with cute fuzzy swampthings, slightly more svelte, bucking for fun and just to let me know where they stand every once in a while. === Joanna Crell - David Folger Willowind Therapeutic Horseback Riding Center Phone FAX (207) 288-9506
Re: dressage, bucking
This message is from: Rebecca Mayer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Re dressage--I don't really see that Carol and Anne differ much. As for me I agree that some fjords are better suited than others, that many fjords do very well up to about third level, that it takes a very good horse of any breed (and rider too) to advance beyond that and that dressage is the basis for my training of horses under saddle. As for the breed standard--I think preserving the all round use quality and temperment is primary. BRAG ALERT My old (23), fatish, mare, Wianda was a dressage champion in Holland ridden by Remmy Bron. she regularly beat the Dutch Warmbloods until people said Oh, am I riding in the same ring as the Fjord? Then I'll have no chance! She once scored 1st out of 250 competitors, mostly warmbloods. Wianda and her daughter, Minx, canter easily, in fact it's Wianda's preferred gate--sometimes it is hard to get her to walk or trot, but it's a lovely slow balanced canter rather like a rocking horse, so even beginners don't fall off. Luckily so, as she is my school horse. I have, however, regularly won dressage classes with another Fjord who does not canter easily. He has to warm up with a lot of shoulder-in in order to be able to canter well. I am shocked at how well Minx can buck! Luckily she has only taken her fits on the longe line and never under saddle. I was bucked off by a young fjord I was training and had my leg crushed when he stepped on it as he was leaving. Minx starts tossing her head when she is irritated and wants to register a protest. Well, enough. Becky
Cute babies
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Anyone who has ever held a brand new baby Nubian dairy goat also knows that they rank very high on the cuteness index.
Re: Bucking and Head Tossing
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Michele, Our Fjord is 4 also and he used to buck when we were in a group and the group got a little too far ahead of us. It really was more of a crow hop kind of buck but a buck none the less. I corrected him by pulling his nose around to my knee and made him walk in a tight circle once, then made him walk behind the others for a while before we caught up. This worked for ;him because he hasn't tried it again yet. The other time he bucked was when my daughter was at a Fun Show this fall and she was having a good time taking him around a barrel pattern. On the way home, he bucked a little when she spurred him a little too hard. Unfortunately, he didn't get corrected on that one. We'll see this next year how it goes. I've found that if you lunge before you ride, or use a round pen,. they can get that excess energy out by themselves, not with you on them. I know it takes a little extra time sometimes but I always feel safer getting on or harnessing up after he's had a few minutes in the round pen to let off steam. Hope this helps! Susan In MN
Re: Selective breeding
This message is from: Alison Barr [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hmm, I think that we could produce really good dressage horses, but what would we loose? Fjords are in general athletic, quick, gentle, smart, sound, and very versatile. Are you willing to give up some of these qualities? Thoroughbreds were bred for speed, but they also gained a very skittish temperament. Warmbloods are bred to be performers, but they aren't very sound. Even within selective breeding already occurring with riding type and draught type Fjords, the draught ones look like a fuzzy cute godzilla, and would have trouble collecting. The riding types are lighter and loose some of the soundness that comes from the stocky legs. Besides, the classic Fjords seem to have no problem. Fj is a classic, and I have found no fault with him yet ( personal opinion). I think how it would be nice if he were lighter, then I see a friend whose horse is lame all summer, and I want to kiss those solid little legs. Again I think I might have treaded into debatable areas, and I am sure there are going to be people who think the draughties can do dressage, or the light ones are sound, and it is probably true in most cases but do we want to loose all that we have in the classic ones?
Re: bucking
This message is from: Alison Barr [EMAIL PROTECTED] I think the important point of bucking is that there is a big difference between happy, exuberant, or Confused green horses that let one loose, and those that have a real problem. If your horse is green, it is probably the first. It could also be a back problem. Pulling with your weight on their tails helps correct that type of back pain. For the mischievous bucker, The method that made FJ permanently drop it is he bucked and I laughed. Never did it again. Don't let them change paces, but ignore it otherwise. It is therefore completely pointless for the horse to buck, and they will give it up as a failed escapade. For fjords as big buckers, usually they don't have the personality to buck big. But remember they are really fast on their feet. I can ride arabs that spook or horses that stop dirty, but the time I fell off Fj I was on the ground before I realized he had stopped. The video is funny. He is cantering along at a good pace, and then he just stopped. Didn't even have to try, and was in a good canter even in the stride he stopped in, then he just stopped.
Re: Fjord babies
This message is from: Pat [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fjord babies are cute, but the llamas have those great eyes! The first time I saw one I thought I was on another planet. Now wait a minute Pat ... could there possibly be anything cuter than a Fjord baby?;-) Meredith Sessoms Soddy-Daisy. Tennessee. USA Dorina NFR Aagot
Re: New to List
This message is from: Carl Sarah Nagel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Welcome Jill and Happy New Year. This is a good place to do some learning! I will caution you tho, the addiction to Fjords will grow!!! p.s. I have a beautiful 4 year old fjord mare for sale when you are ready for one... Sarah Nagel in Snowy Northern Idaho where the Fjords watched elk cross their hill this morning. -Original Message- From: Handwovens by Jill [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Date: Friday, January 07, 2000 10:57 AM Subject: New to List This message is from: Handwovens by Jill [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, I'm new to the list. My name is Jill and I live in Oregon. I'm wanting to learn all I can about carriage driving and fjord horsesI hope you will let me learn and lurk from time to time! Jill from Oregon where it's Raining and WET Handwovens by Jill What you have in mind I'll put into design! Website Address: http://www.spiritone.com/~jillhack
Standards
This message is from: Ursula Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] However, as breeders we need to breed true to type (stick to the standard as Linda said). We don't want to end up breeding for dressage ponies that couldn't scramble up the side of a cliff in Norway if their life depended on it. To quote the FHI The Fjordhorse must be true to type. Its conformation must be functional and its use versatile. It must have a good temperament and be hardy and sound. Lori - AMEN...not American Standards but Breed Standards.. Ursula Brian Jensen Trinity Fjords Box 1032 Lumby BC Canada V0E-2G0 http://okjunc.junction.net/~ujensen/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] (250) 547-6303
horse body language.
This message is from: Denise Delgado [EMAIL PROTECTED] to the group, i have noticed some behavior among horses that has me stymied. i have seen it in all breeds and various times and situations. does anyone have an idea what this means in horse-speak? they rapidly rise and lower their head and neck and face the other horses, look them in the eye so to speak. their ears are forward and it is almost a jerky movement. the feet are squared, tail regular position.sometimes they open their mouths, but not in a threatening way. i'm thinking it is a happy look, maybe an invitation to play or chase me kind of thing. sometimes my fjords do it with me too. they do it with eachother, other horses and even my dog and the goats. denise
Re: llama wool
This message is from: Meredith Sessoms [EMAIL PROTECTED] This message is from: Pat [EMAIL PROTECTED] I enjoy the llamas around our farm, they lend a peaceful attitude to sometimes a hectic day. I think a llama baby has to be the cutest baby of any animal other than, oh maybe a panda! Now wait a minute Pat ... could there possibly be anything cuter than a Fjord baby?;-) Meredith Sessoms Soddy-Daisy. Tennessee. USA Dorina NFR Aagot
Re: Fjords Dressage
This message is from: Jean Gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cynthia I could not agree with you more about dressage being the foundation for rider and horse. I would add one more thought that it also gives purpose to those of us who primarily ride in arenas. You can work at improving your dressage to the end of your riding career. Jean Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of The Colonel's Daughter Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Barnes Noble Book Stores
Triple Crown Lite
This message is from: Michele Bigelow [EMAIL PROTECTED] From the Triple Crown lite Bag: A pelleted feed to provide minerals and vitamins for horses with restricted grain intake. Fortified to provide protein, essential amino acids, vitamins, trace minerals, macro minerals, bacteria and enzymes. The ingredient and analysis are extensive (and I should be finishing making the math departments algebra final), so I will post the web site and phone number. The folks at this company were very helpful. I am very pleased with the results, as is my farrier (feet have never looked better) and vet (about time they lost some weight). My retired Paint mare consumes 4 lb. a day, and looks as fit as she did when I competed with her years ago. So it is not just for overweight horses, but also easy keepers. www.triplecrownfeed.com 1-800-451-9916 Michele
Re: Head tossing/exhuberance
This message is from: Denise Delgado [EMAIL PROTECTED] karen, what is sunfishing in regards to bucking? the bucking i've experienced with fjords has only been 2 or 3 times on quinn the youngest. he sometimes does it when playing with knute. it is like you describe' the sofa being moved feeling. he is not a bucker by nature. i think it is too hard for them to lift the mass they live in.
New to List
This message is from: Handwovens by Jill [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, I'm new to the list. My name is Jill and I live in Oregon. I'm wanting to learn all I can about carriage driving and fjord horsesI hope you will let me learn and lurk from time to time! Jill from Oregon where it's Raining and WET Handwovens by Jill What you have in mind I'll put into design! Website Address: http://www.spiritone.com/~jillhack
Re: Agree/Disagree - BDF IDAR - 1 of top 5
This message is from: Jean Gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Elaine, here we go with the old boxers nose is too short quarter horses look better with the hang dog profile put more thoroughbred in the warm bloods to get more action etc. God bless us that we always need change but it destroys the original purpose of things. Re the fjord and dressage, all breeds have certain ideal characteristics that equip some of their members for areas outside their original use. Lets leave that that way. If a line of fjords has strong hind ends that assist the canter, find that horse. Do not attempt to change the whole breed for the one purpose. Many thoroughbreds are not equipped for the higher levels of dressage as are many quarter horses, warm bloods. appys etc. Wez is an exceptional horse who could have gone faster and more easily if he had been crossed with a thoroughbred!! Ugh Ann. But Ann's patience and stick to it characteristics, hours of practice etc made them get to the top. Many horses including my own break down during the process or riders tire etc. I think there is enough variability in the fjord to offer goes in all areas if the particular horse has the requirements. Carol when you talk about dressage any but a crippled horse can do training and first levels. The culling out begins at second, third up. At the higher levels the greatest demands are put on horse and rider. Hope all is well in Nova Scotia. Jean Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of The Colonel's Daughter Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Barnes Noble Book Stores
Re: Question about this site
This message is from: Lori Albrough [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ron Sherrie Dayton wrote: Is it possible when the headings for the site come up to highlite one and go directly to it. If you receive the list as individual messages, rather than in digest form, you can do this. To set up for individual messages go to Steve's site: http://members.home.net:80/smcilree/Subscriptions/Change/change.htm Then, to make it really slick, set up your mail reader to filter all messages from fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com into a separate mail folder. This will keep your fjord digest messages separate from your other email. Now you can browse through the headings, read the ones that appeal to you, and trash the rest. You can even sort by Subject, so you can read all postings on a given subject contiguously. Info on how to set up your mail reader to sort messages into separate folders will vary depending on the mail reader you use. I can give you instructions for Netscape 4.5 or higher. Lori
Re: fjordhorse-digest V2000 #7
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 1/7/00 10:54:03 AM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The only ones I know of where horse trailers must stop are on the highway through Nebraska. However I was never through when they were open. Any other states? The checkpoints out of Las Cruces, NM, everybody has to stop - cars, too. We're a border town.
bucking
This message is from: Bushnell's [EMAIL PROTECTED] if your Fjord bucks like a graceful davenport, aren't you lucky! I have an Arab that does that too, but I can usually see it coming through her explicit body language and discourage it. on the other hand, Fjord indications of an impending ejection are nonexistant by comparison. my observation is they are too stoical to give any advance notice. that, coupled with their kissy-faced friendliness can be deceptive! I have to say I was almost killed when one tossed me like a frisbee and I body slammed the ground. talk about an attitude adjustment! I am now one cautious lady! Fjords ARE a superior horse (I love them no less, and couldn't love them more!) but they can buck in a more excellent way as well. that's why I always say, more horsepower per pony. please spare me the game of there must have been a bee or how was your hair parted that day?... this particular horse enjoys bucking. PERIOD one male skeptic who prides himself on his riding ability was doubtful about the incident; the horse, the tack, my riding ability, etc. but you should have seen that same fella disembarked from that high flying daveno!!! WHOOOE!! Folks, we have to quit overselling the Fjord by saying they're innocuous furniture, etc.! they are as perfect as a horse can get and I'm as zealous as anyone in praising their merit but they are after all just an animal! someone could be seriously injured, or killed, through our misrepresentation. I fully realize they differ greatly and many don't have the bucking potential but BE CAREFUL! I kind of hated to say this but it might prevent injuries. a few years ago Anne Appleby wrote a cautionary article in the Herald about misrepresenting the Fjord as harmless and I greatly appreciated it. maybe we need to do this on a regular basis for newcomers. Ruthie, NW MT
Fjords Dressage
This message is from: Cynthia_Madden/OAA/UNO/[EMAIL PROTECTED] OK, here's my 10 cents (this is too long for 2 cents worth) on dressage. Very few horses of any breed are capable of FEI level competition in dressage and I certainly applaud the work of Anne and others who continue to strive to bring out the best in their horses who happen to have this capability. But a lot of conversation on competitive dressage or on horses who can do high level competition, begs the question of dressage as a training philosophy which is the real issue for Fjords or any breed, in my opinion. All horses can benefit from utilizing dressage for training to the highest degree of which they are capable. It's a building block system allowing a horse to develop mental and physical abilities to the highest degree that particular animal can attain. I think most horses can be trained up to third level and beyond that issues of conformation and intelligence can come into play - but if the horse has the ability and the trainer has the time, go for it! But what have you got in a third level or even second level horse? One who will do anything you want most of the time (unless you want to play with the big boys girls). You will have a superbly responsive, supple forward moving horse that will be a pleasure for recreational and/or competitive use. You will have improved your riding skills immeasurably if you have taken the time to bring your horse to this level. You can take that dressage foundation and use your horse in any performance style. I think foundation is the key word here. It is a time consuming process - not 30 days or even one year. It is a continuing commitment to learning how to improve yourself and bring out the most in your horse as you learn to communicate effectively with each other and work as a team. It is this that appeals to me about dressage. I could care less if I ever go to a schooling show again. But when I have trouble scheduling my dressage lessons or working my horse as often as I would like, or losing time over the winter, I am not happy. My dressage instructors thinks Tank is capable of at least fourth level and we are still in training level, but I hope we can go as far as possible and who knows what that will be. But we will learn a lot about ourselves and each other by trying. May I suggest that people who might be interested in dressage as a training tool for themselves and their horse, but do not have any familiarity at this time, try Mary Twelvepony's book, Everyday Training or Backyard Dressage. It is an excellent primer. You can certainly move up to the big guns from there, but Mary's book is very user friendly and non-intimidating. Most bookstores and amazon.com have it. I guess I have used up my 10 cents and more by now. Happy Trails! Cynthia Madden Omaha, Nebraska USA email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: llama wool
This message is from: Pat [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank you Mary, actually we just sold a llama to Randi Neison a good friend of mine who is on the Digest, she wants to do something with the wool and I thought she would get info from our conversation. Some of the colors of the llamas are so beautiful I thought that would be a plus for them. I enjoy the llamas around our farm, they lend a peaceful attitude to sometimes a hectic day. I think a llama baby has to be the cutest baby of any animal other than, oh maybe a panda!
Re: Agree/Disagree - BDF IDAR - 1 of top 5
This message is from: Lori Albrough [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linda has a good point. I am extremely happy and proud when I see Fjords like Wez and Idar and Kanada King doing well in dressage, because it shows it can be done. And I think a lot of Fjords can be happy and do well for their riders in dressage, especially at the levels most riders are working at. However, as breeders we need to breed true to type (stick to the standard as Linda said). We don't want to end up breeding for dressage ponies that couldn't scramble up the side of a cliff in Norway if their life depended on it. To quote the FHI The Fjordhorse must be true to type. Its conformation must be functional and its use versatile. It must have a good temperament and be hardy and sound. Lori linda hickam wrote: This message is from: linda hickam [EMAIL PROTECTED] My comment about improving the breed'sathleticism and rideabilityI say, stick to the standards.
Re: Llamas
This message is from: Mary Thurman [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Bushnell's [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: Bushnell's [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is idle curiosity. After all it is January. =) The subject of sheep and goats, how they affect pasture and coexist with Fjords brought to my mind Llamas. Do they coexist with Fjords well I'm wondering? Ruthie, Yes, llamas and Fjords coexist quite nicely. We have raised all of our Fjords right next to a llama farm - we share a common fence line. Our Fjords are not bothered in the least by the llamas, although other horses being ridden past seem to have a problem with them!! On the trail we have met almost everything and the only problems we have are with mountain bikers who tend to sneak up quietly and just appear suddenly over a rise either in front of or behind the horses. One biker who surprised our horses commented that he needed to put some bear bells on his bike so it would make some noise and warn the horses he was coming. We think that would be a grand idea. My Sindar is also not particularly comfortable with those bigger, dark-colored horses that appear suddenly on the trail and try to run him down - we have some people out here who seem to think that trail riding is a race and allow their big long-legged horses to go at an astonishing pace. It's a wonder more people aren't hurt out here. Sindar is becoming more used to bigger horses, but he still doesn't like them very well for some reason. A case in point concerning what a horse will learn from llamas: An appy pony we once had learned to llama fight - to a llama anything higher than its head is dominant, so they fight by biting each others' legs at the knee, the first one to kneel down loses the fight. This pony learned to fight that way and would bite at the Fjord's knees to try to get them to kneel to him. Funny to watch. LLamas also spit when ticked off. Comes in handy when your hands are full of hay and your Fjord is getting pushy - just spit at him and he will back off quickly if he has ever been spat at by a llama. Nasty stuff, llama spit! Mary = Mary Thurman Raintree Farms [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com
Re: fjordhorse-digest V2000 #6
This message is from: ceacy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello List, I thought I would let everyone know that Julia Will won the drawing for her donation to the Blain Whitcomb fund. I recently celebrated my birthday with the Whitcombs and had a wonderful visit with Blain. Things were looking positive and the tumors had all but disappeared. That was on Dec. 28, however, since then things have taken a turn and it now appears that the tumor on his back has infiltrated his spinal column. Last Wed. he woke up paralyzed from the waist down. There will be no more trips to Japan and the next direction for treatment is unclear. So, whatever your faith may be, please send positive energy out there for Blain. He is a brave little boy and his family needs all the support they can get. If you still want to make a donation to help the family with the astronomical medical bills they are coping with you can send a check to The Blain Whitcomb Benefit Fund, c/o NYLLA, Gwen Pierre, Tucker Road, New Woodstock, NY 13122-9753 . I am going out to see them next week and perhaps I will be able to give a more uplifting update then. Thank you to everyone who sent a donation for Blain, if only you all could know him and his love of animals and his quiet strength and optimism about life. I think of him daily and am inspired to try harder to overcome obstacles with the same grace as he has faced his ordeal. May the new millenium bring a cure for cancer and an end to such suffering. Thank you for this forum , Sincerely, Ceacy Henderson, Colrain, Ma.
Re: goats and sheep
This message is from: Mary Thurman [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Pat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: Pat [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mary, Do you know if spinning sheep wool is the same for llamas? Is llama wool the same to work with? Pat, Spinning llama fiber and spinning sheeps wool are very different experiences. Sheep wool has elasticity to it, llama fiber does not. If you are used to spinning wool and start spinning llama, it will take a while to get the hang of it, but it does make very nice yarn. I have a friend who raises llamas and spins a lot of llama yarn for socks. The socks are wonderful - warm and lightweight. However, yarn from llama fiber lacks elasticity - it doesn't bounce back into shape when you take it off - so requires ribbing with a twisted stitch, or with a fine elastic thread used along with the yarn. Some patterns are just not suitable for llama yarn, as the garment tends to sag from its own weight. If you can get good clean llama fleece it is fun to work with, but many people do not groom their llamas regularly and the fleece is nearly impossible to clean if it's really full of stuff. Also, llamas coats have an underdown and outer guard hairs. Some llamas have very long guard hairs that MUST be removed before spinning, other llamas have shorter guard hairs which could be left in, depending on what you want your yarn to look like and its intended use. OTOH llama fiber does not tend to felt as quickly and easily as sheep wool does, which can be a plus unless you INTENDED for it to felt. Hope this answers your questions. Mary PS. There is a newsgroup/list online for spinners. IF you would like the address, I will send it to you. = Mary Thurman Raintree Farms [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com
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This message is from: Mary Thurman [EMAIL PROTECTED] List, Sorry, I meant to send the message re: llamas and sheep to Pat privately. Senior moment, I guess. Mary = Mary Thurman Raintree Farms [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com
Re: Triple Crown Lite
This message is from: Pat [EMAIL PROTECTED] I agree with Karen McCarthy, the least made of it the better, but it needs to be addressed most importantly in a timely fashion, I also agree with her description of how they buck the end of the couch-like lift. When I first started riding the Fjords I actually thought it was cute, because it was so un-energy-like I don't think its cute anymore, usually all I have to do is use my voice or a stronger leg and its a one time deal.I have to admit I don't do alot of trail riding, I have a great girl who loves the outdoors and puts the miles on our training horses. I spend 20 min's to 1/2 an hr in the ring with them, depending on what we're doing then their days off from me is with her on the trails. Its a good arrangement, we both like our jobs. Pat and others - How exactly do you handle a buck to get the point across that it is not aceptable?
Re: Agree/Disagree - BDF IDAR - 1 of top 5
This message is from: linda hickam [EMAIL PROTECTED] My comment about improving the breed'sathleticism and rideabilityI say, stick to the standards. Look for individuals within the standards that will better suit your needs..other than that, get a thoroughbred or a warmblood.Linda -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Re: Agree/Disagree - BDF IDAR - 1 of top 5 Date: Fri, Jan 7, 2000, 1:54 AM This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I wanted to reply to some of Carol's statements about Fjords and dressageI own an upper level, FEI Dutch Warmblood that won the North American Championships several years ago with another owner, and I own BDF Idar. I too, believe that Fjords can compete and win in dressage, and I think some have just the right equipment to make wonderful dressage horses up the levels. They are strong, smart, willing partners, generally with wonderful, workman attitudes. I do think there is a big difference in their abilities based on their confirmation, movement and suspension. The dressage training is coming easier to my Fjord, Idar, than it has to many warmbloods that I have had. Idar has big, strong hindquarters and it enables to have a very light canter with a lot of jump. His neck carriage is more uphill and getting him on the bit is very easy. As everyone knows, warmbloods have been bred carefully for years for use in this sport. Couldn't a similar thing happen to improve the athleticism and rideability of the Fjord in the US? Not only would this make the Fjord a good dressage horse, it would make him a better riding horse for any type of riding. A small correction from Carol's statements about Idar. He has only been shown one show season, and he placed Sixth in the United States Dressage Federation Regional Championships. Elaine Olsen
Re: fjordhorse-digest V2000 #6
This message is from: Mike May [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 05:31 PM 1/6/00 -0500, you wrote: This message is from: Dave McWethy [EMAIL PROTECTED] A trailer with a manufacturer's GVWR of more than 10,000 lbs. when the GCWR exceeds 26,000 lbs. GVWR must be gross veicle weight rating. What is GCWR? Only a guess but how about Gross Combined Weight Rating? Mike
