Re: mules
This message is from: Mary Thurman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --- Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is from: Jean Ernest > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Alison, I don't think the Canadian Fjord Horse > Association has any rules > aginst breeding to other species such as donkeys and > zebras. I also can't > think of a really good reason to ban it in the NFHR > (donning flame suit and > ducking flames from Nova Scotia) Mules and > zebra-horse crosses can't > reproduce and isn't that the reason for banning > cross breeding in the first > place? Jean, Well said! I couldn't agree more. There are places where well-bred mules are very useful. I think it is a disservice to the mule population to ban the production of a mule from a breed of horse that would probably produce a very excellent light-duty mule. Mary - also donning flame suit and hoping for rain!! = Mary Thurman Raintree Farms [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com
Microchips
This message is from: "fjords" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> This message is from [EMAIL PROTECTED] As a Member of the Canadian Fjord Horse Association we are required to have all ou horses microchipped and I think it is a waste of money and time as they are so often unreadable Due most likely to a combination of incorrect scanners or the chip floating through the muscel tissue. They don't read the chips at the U. S. border and we don't read them at shows. There must be a better way for us to clearly identify pure bred fjords. Microchip identification is not the perfect answer in my opinion. How many of us have readers that will read all the different chips used in the last 12 years? My quess is none. What is the best form of long term identification?? Lauren Sellars Snowy Mountain Fjords www.fjordhorse.net
Fjord microchips
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mike, Are the Fjords registered with a national database after you receive the Microchipping Form? Brian
Looking for a Riding Instructor/Trainer
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello Fjord Friends! I'm in the process of looking for a riding instructor/horse trainer. I am especially interested in someone who works very well with children. My daughter is fearful of riding, due to some circumstances last season, but still wants to ride. So, she needs someone who will have patience to help her through this time. Plus, I have a 5 year old Fjord gelding who I want help training. We live in Central NY. Our horses are boarded at Julie Will's, Old Hickory Farm in Weedsport, NY. I am proceeding very cautiously with this search, since I've made some errors in judgement in the past. Your help would be greatly appreciated! With much thanks! Pat McCurdy Cato, NY, just down the road from OHF!
Re: Equine ID Brands
This message is from: Mary Thurman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > But can the Canadian chips, like Lars has, be read > out in America, or do > they read 40% less here, like their money? Merek, Good one! However, I must say that I've had no luck with ANY American scanners being able to read the Canadian chips - not even the scanners touted as "universal" by their companies. ALSO, these so-called "universal" scanners cannot read the NFHR chips either - even though the company that makes the Registry chips claims they are compatible with all readers. Not so - the only thing that will read my NFHR chips is the NFHR scanner (DESTRON I believe). We have tried all the other scanners available out here - and the vets have had lots of them over the years - but none will read those chips. Same with the AVID chips - supposed to be "universal", but only AVID readers will scan them for sure. Ah, the world of technology! I just don't worry about it - I can tell which horse is which and so can anyone else who is around them for a day or so. Most experienced horse people notice that there is a difference between each of them right away. If they were stolen the chances of getting them back around here is pretty slim anyway. Haven't heard of any "horse rustlin'" since we've lived out here. There was a case of horse disappearance, but there was a nasty divorce involved - so you know what happened there. Another horse "disappeared" in cougar country last year - I suppose someday some hunter will find the skeleton. If you "scanned" that cougar, do you suppose his having eaten the microchip would make him "identifiable" as a horse? Just wondering. Mary = Mary Thurman Raintree Farms [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com
Re: Show Clothing
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Renee, I haven't had a chance to go through Whitney's closet to see what fits yet but will try to soon and let you know. How old are your kids?? Whitney will be 13 in April and wears very slim sizes -- you know the age -- no hips and the legs go on forever! She shows both English and Western. I'll let you know. For sure I will have a pair of light tan chaps that I know she has outgrown. Susan in MN "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Grey Fjords' anatomy...
This message is from: "Knutsen Fjord Farm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Dr. Brian, have you no shame?! Disapprovingly, Peg Knutsen, Knutsen Fjord Farm, www.eburg.com/~kffjord
Re: balloons
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 1/26/00 9:36:33 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > popular with balloonists. The horses always enjoyed watching them fly over > And > then there is the day when one came over a rise that was at eye leve with > the > horse I was riding and then flew over us so low we could hear them yelling > and > the firing noise as they tried to lift up higher. We were on the balloon path in Albuquerque and they could go five feet over my fjords' heads and they would watch, but not stop chewing. Gail Dorine
microchips
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have had chips from NFHR & CFHA read at my vet's office by an AVID scanner. I seem to remember Cliff Baltzley(sp?) having some problems with the NFHR when he hot branded horses. Personally I prefer visible brands as not everyone has a scanner available. I would like to put my 2 cents in on Harold Jacobsen branding horses. I can tell you when I purchased from him he was not marking horses in any manner. In reference to the pain caused by hot branding I think it would be a blip on the radar screen of life. How many male men remember what may have been done to you shortly after birth. Ladies, childbirth can't be comfortable. Do we think about those hurts later in life? This is whipping a dead horse but the ranch in Deming WA appears to be in the business of selling horses. Wouldn't it be a boring world if we were all alike. I applaud those that actually went there & were kind enough to share their experiences with the rest of us who were gossiping over the back fence. To those of us selling fjords we need to think about what price the market will bear. What we feel our fjords are worth may be out of line with what the purchaser feels they are worth. We all seem to agree that not all purchasers put the value on training that the purchaser does. One seems to either pay for training in the purchase price or later after it is discovered that the horse knows nothing because no one took the time, & money, to train it. Or the horse is passed on to another purchaser who discovers the horse isn't trained so it is sold to another purchaser... Fjord mules. Went to a draft horse & mule show in John Day, OR years ago. All the mule people thought I should breed my mare for a mule colt. Seems to me they already think alike. Could be dangerous. Might too smart for humans to teach it anything. Bye Joel Harman YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.
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Rare breed Exhibition-Virginia
This message is from: "Sarah Vogeley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On April 26-30, the Carriage Association of America is having a four day event in Williamsburg, VA. In addition to the CAA sponsored activities, the American Livestock Breeds Conservancy is having a rare breed exhibition. I don't know if Fjords classify as a "rare breed" but it might be a fantastic opportunity to exhibit to a wide audience of people and answer questions about the Norweigian Fjord and its versatility. To find out whether the organization is interested in having Fjords participate, you can contact the person below for details. I wish I had a Fjord to show off! I will probably take my Andalusian mare, as they are eager to show the breed in the demos. Donald E. Bixby, DVM Executive Director American Livestock Breeds Conservancy PO Box 477 Pittsboro, NC 27312 (919) 542-5704 FAX (919) 545-0022 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.albc-usa.org _ Sarah Vogeley New Forest Farm Charlottesville, VA
Re: Equine ID Brands
This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> So if the scanners do not read all chips, how many scanners do the meat houses have? Sounds pretty scary. Jean Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Barnes & Noble Book Stores
Re: change of subject
This message is from: "Bushnell's" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 10:03 AM 01/28/2000 -0800, you wrote: >This message is from: "Denise Delgado" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >listers, >would anyone out there care to give some recomendations on were to stay in >libby? do i need to make reservations now for september? someplace close >to the activities, maybe walking distance. if i bring my horses, where >could they stay? are there places to r.v. camp? thanks, denise ~~ "WALKING DISTANCE?" How well do you like to walk Denise? =))) seriously, I'd be glad to try and help with any info in regards to Libby (live 35 west of there) but maybe the Daytons, as registrars, probably have brochures pertaining to lodging. I think http://www.libby.org would take you to the county website too where you might find contacts. any question in particular? I'll be glad to answer. Ruthie, NW MT >
Re: Equine ID Brands
This message is from: "Sarah Vogeley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> This is the precise problem with microchips. Not all scanners read all microchips. It's a shame that a universal effort wasn't made when this technology became available. My Andalusian mare has two microchips in her neck, and I'm not sure why. When I inquired about it, I was told that perhaps the first one wasn't readable, so they put in another one! Scary! _ Sarah Vogeley New Forest Farm Charlottesville, VA -- >From: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: >Subject: Re: Equine ID Brands >Date: Sat, Jan 29, 2000, 3:52 AM > > So if the scanners do not read all chips, how many scanners do the meat > houses have? Sounds pretty scary. Jean
fjord horse digest #28 Thank-you
This message is from: "Lynch/Stidham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Thank-you Jean, I was very happy to see that People do listen and I really wanted to let people know that not ALL place like this are bad. We take delivery of Jordan Feb.3rd and I can hardly wait. I would be happy to share Jordans whole story with any one that wants to listen. Foreverton saved him and I am very glad. I have met the little mare Leighla and she is very sweet. I did not ride her because we were looking for a gelding but she is cute, not show material but should make someone a fine trail horse. I will send pictures of our horse family as soon as we can. I will even take pictures upon receiving so people can have a little more understanding. I do have one question. We are currently trying to figure out what kind of bit to use on Jordan. I know about bits and there various uses and yes I will ask what he has been ridden in, but I would like to get some feedback on what others use and find successful. I use an O ring snaffle with our 2 yr old Morgan and he does very well in this, of course I can and do ride him with his halter and lead rope, him doing as well or better. He is our genius.:) It seams the less the better for this boy. So let me know your opinions and experiences with bits and hackamores etc. I am always learning. Thanks again for hearing my views and experiences. Caitlin
Re: mules
This message is from: "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 11:15 PM 1/27/00 -0700, you wrote: This message is from: Alison Barr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hey, I didn't know that you couldn't cross breed Fjords to mules or zebras. I thought the reason against cross breeding was to avoid half-breds being sold as pure? Is this wrong, or is there a different reason not to cross breed to zebras and donkeys? I always thought that a Fjord mule would be a nice mule. Of course, I don't need a mule, and don't have a donkey or a breedable Fjord, and don't have breeding facilities, or need a foal of any type, but still. I also didn't know that you could cross breed to Zebras at all. I was under the impression that they were too distantly related. Well, you learn something new every day. Yes we do learn something new every day. Here is the NFHR's rule regarding crossbreeding: "In the interest of protecting the genetic purity and the highest standards of the Fjord horse, we will withdraw from the Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry any mare or stallion that is used for crossbreeding with another breed or species. Violators will have their membership suspended and will lose all membership privileges including registration, transfer of horses and any voting rights. The names of owners and horses will be placed on the suspended list. " To see the complete set of rules here is a link to them: http://www.nfhr.com/nfhrrule.html Mike === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Registrar Voice 716-872-4114 FAX 716-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Rare Breed Exhibition-VA (long)
This message is from: "Sarah Vogeley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> After asking more questions, I have a listing of the breeds that the American Rare Breed of Livestock Conservancy is working to protect. The breeds below arent confirmed to be represented at this exhibition, though they are hopeful for a good turnout of livestock. For those that are interested, the list goes as follows... Asses Critical Rare Watch Study Poitou American Mammoth Jack Stock* Cattle Critical Rare Watch Study Canadienne* Dutch Belted Florida Cracker* Kerry Milking Devon* Pineywoods* Randall Lineback* White Park Ankole-Watusi Dexter Red Poll Ayrshire Belted Galloway Galloway Guernsey Highland Milking Shorthorn Goats Critical Rare Watch Study San Clemente (F)* Nigerian Dwarf* Tennessee Fainting* Oberhasli Spanish* Horses Critical Rare Watch Study Akhal-Teke American Cream* Canadian* Caspian Cleveland Bay Exmoor Florida Cracker* Mountain Pleasure* Spanish Mustang* Spanish Barb* Suffolk Dartmoor Hackney Horse Lipizzan Rocky Mountain* Clydesdale Friesian Gotland Shire
Re: Grey Fjords
This message is from: "Sarah Vogeley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Oh! Silly me! _ Sarah Vogeley New Forest Farm Charlottesville, VA -- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com >Subject: Re: Grey Fjords >Date: Sat, Jan 29, 2000, 12:48 AM > > This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > On Fri, 28 Jan 2000 00:19:39 -0600 "Mark and Lisa K. McGinley" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >>I think Sarah would like you to extend your metaphor (so to speak) :) >> >>Mark > > > Extend my metaphor?! Goodness, Gracious, Great Balls of Fire! > > Brian > > P.S. Sarah - that last phrase is the answer to your question.
the netherlands
This message is from: "griet vandenbroucke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi for all those interested in the fjors jubleum in the netherlands you can go to: http://www.fjordstudbook.com and there you find the info i think you can choose to translate it in english, if you can't please let me now and i'll translate it if you want lot's of Fjordings Griet vandenbroucke Linde, Kely, Victor and Askeladden (who becomes a big Fjord now)
Re: zebra
This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> More on Zebras: A very interesting and informative article. http://www.angelfire.com/ma/BarredMRanch/article.html Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska [EMAIL PROTECTED]
zebra and fjord together
This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Good heavens! Here is a picture of a Zebra and a Fjord together! Do you think there are any Zebra/Fjord crosses already out there? (alert the anti-crossbreeding police! LOL) http://www.angelfire.com/ma/BarredMRanch/page13.html Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, still dark at 7:30 but still above zero (+10F) >Hi Alison, come see this: http://hometown.aol.com/zzorse/photos2.html >Here's a picture of a baby zorse of an Appy mare - with both spots and >stripes! There are several other photos, too, for example of crosses >from QH's. It's quite interesting to see that these crosses look more >like zebras than horses. As if the zebra genes are somehow more >dominant? > >Here are two other addresses: >http://hometown.aol.com/zzorse/index.html >http://www.angelfire.com/tx/redmustang2/exotics.html >Best regards >Sini. http://hometown.aol.com/zzorse/photos2.html > > Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Branding
This message is from: "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 06:23 PM 1/27/00 -0800, you wrote: This message is from: "Catherine Lassesen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Our LYDER is branded. He came from the Jacobsen Farm in Colorado at the time. I am sure it was their way of keeping the babies set. Maybe Brian can explain? Catherine L I am pretty sure the brand on Lyder is the Baltzley Brand. The Baltzley Ranch was called Bar X Bar I believe & the X with a number was used for the brand. Mike === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Registrar Voice 716-872-4114 FAX 716-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: gift for David Klove
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Arthur Rivoire) Hello from Carol Rivoire at Beaver Dam Farm in Nova Scotia - To Nancy Lehnert - That's a great idea, Nancy. David will be so touched. He's a wonderful man with a beautiful spirit. David wrote us several months ago with the awful news of his grandson, and we wondered if we'd ever hear from him again. Then this Christmas we received, as usual, another of his unique and inspirational photo cards. He talked about his close family, and how they made it possible to bear the loss. --- Arthur and I are very pleased to be allowed to contribute to this gift, and will be sending you our check. We hope enough others will do the same. David Klove has given his best to the Fjord breed and merits our admiration, gratitude, and love. -- As to the actual gift, Jane Champion's exquisite sculpture of a rearing Fjord, . . . it's absolutely magnificent, and is one of my most prized possessions. Best Regards, Carol Rivoire Carol and Arthur Rivoire Beaver Dam Farm Fjords II R.R. 7 Pomquet Antigonish County Nova Scotia B2G 2L4 902 386 2304 http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/beaverdf
Re: mules
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 1/28/00 2:42:08 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Alison, I don't think the Canadian Fjord Horse Association has any rules aginst breeding to other species such as donkeys and zebras. I also can't think of a really good reason to ban it in the NFHR (donning flame suit and ducking flames from Nova Scotia) Mules and zebra-horse crosses can't reproduce and isn't that the reason for banning cross breeding in the first place? to keep the breed pure? And a fjord mule or Zebra/Fjord hybrid won't be mistaken for a pure bred fjord. Oh well, I'm not about to do either. >> XENOPHOBIA
sini
This message is from: "saskia schoofs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> hi again Sini, I got a phone call and made too early an end to my e-mail. How are you? And I wanted to tell the list the photos on your site are magnificent again! For those who haven't bookmarked it yet: don't miss an enchanting visit to: http://www.saunalahti.fi/~partoy/Juhola6.html have a nice day & week-end! Saskia
Re: E-Z BOOTS & Saskia
This message is from: "saskia schoofs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Hi Sini!
> Where are Saskia
here! :-))) just very very busy :-(((
> and the haflinger-fjord baby?!
still inside of Kitty! it's freezing again in Belgium, so I can only
encourage her to try to keep it inside of her as long as possible! (though I
have a strange tendency to shake her until the foal comes out at last :-)))
why can't they be like dogs, three months is long enough for a waiting
grandmother-to-be! :-)))
well, the merrier I'll be when it pops out! :-)
> How are you?
impatient and nervous! :-) sorry for not writing earlier to you, though I
have wanted to since a long time, I'm just a little overwhelmed by work.
for Christmas I got Miller's book about imprinting. you mentioned it in an
earlier post (thanks for all the foal-advices!). How do you do your
imprinting?
Yesterday the vet came for the annual vaccinations. He was afraid that they
would recognize him, or his smell, and run away, but they crowded around
him, impatient to be vaccinated, and especially when he started to deworm
("o!!! that man has food!!!") they were so enthousiast that we had to laugh,
because when he was deworming the little Shet Janosch, the Fjords Sybren and
Zeno both climbed upon Janosch trying to get some more of the stuff. Janosch
carried the weight bravely, and swallowed as much worm-paste as he could!
To my big relief he said the stable was big enough for foaling, if I would
be on the premises to be sure everything was allright. I plan to let Kitty
choose where to foal, but it's good to know that the stable is okay if it
rains heavily etc., or if she should choose it. She enters it spontaneously
these last days, something she never did before, so I think she's preparing
to build a nest! :-)
Sybren was funny yesterday. More than a year ago, I taught him how to carry
a bucket. Just for fun. I hadn't played at that again since then, in fact, I
had completely forgotten that he could do it. Yesterday I had a terrible
headache and was looking rather grey I think, I was sitting in the pasture
to get some fresh air (it was cold but sunny), a feeding bucket was still in
the pasture, next to Sybren (not surprisingly), so suddenly he looked at me
in a funny way, as to say: "hey, look what I remember!". He took the handle
of the bucket in his mouth and brought it to me! When I took it over, he had
a smile from one ear to the other! Maybe because he thought I would fill it
again!
He can pull such funny faces! He will be three in May, and sometimes he
looks so big and impressive, he has a huge neck and is really sturdy, but
sometimes he can look so young and almost vulnerable, it's very strange.
Happy Fjording,
Saskia
Re: mules
This message is from: sini seppala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I also didn't know that you could cross breed to Zebras at all. Hi Alison, come see this: http://hometown.aol.com/zzorse/photos2.html Here's a picture of a baby zorse of an Appy mare - with both spots and stripes! There are several other photos, too, for example of crosses from QH's. It's quite interesting to see that these crosses look more like zebras than horses. As if the zebra genes are somehow more dominant? Here are two other addresses: http://hometown.aol.com/zzorse/index.html http://www.angelfire.com/tx/redmustang2/exotics.html Best regards Sini. http://hometown.aol.com/zzorse/photos2.html
The Horse Magazine
This message is from: "Catherine Lassesen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I second Sarah's voice on "THE HORSE: Your Guide to Equine Health Care" magazine. It is well written and very informative. Some items are published that even my Vets have not heard of. The address is... http://www.thehorse.com or send $ 30.00 to The Horse: Your Guide to Equine Health Care, P.O. Box 4680, Lexington, KY 40544-4680. It is produced by The Blood-Horse, Inc. FYI Catherine Lassesen
Grey Fjords
This message is from: "Knutsen Fjord Farm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi all - Dr. Brian, I agree with all that you say about grey Fjords. I hope that anyone who is considering breeding one will have him/her Evaluated first. I will definitely have Erlend re-Evaluated as soon as I can. Is there or is there not going to be one in the west this year...? I must disagree, however, with your suggestion that some of us are geographically disadvantaged. Maybe some of us like to have our lips peeled back off our teeth when we have to walk into the windmakes your fillings ache in this weather, let me tell you! Seriously [yes, I can be serious], those of us that might be in the market for grey breeding stock will stand in line to get a horse that has done well. Let's keep improving the breed as a whole this way. 'Nuf said. Peg Knutsen, Knutsen Fjord Farm, New web site address =
