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This message is from: "linda hickam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sorry everyone.my messages to Anita...I thought were only going to
her{I'm so embarrassed}...linda
Re: Norwegian Brooch
This message is from: "Karen McCarthy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hey! I saw this on Ebay - it is perfect for those of you who own Bunads...good luck! Silver Norwegian Brooch Ebay#542397930 _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Re: mule and Bishop
This message is from: "Karen McCarthy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Carole, I think I saw you at Bishop (last year?) too! I was watching an early afternoon performance and I think I saw you (from your description) over between the last barn shedrow and the track/arena. We took 2 of my mares down & rode in the parade and then stayed overnite with friends at the McGee Creek Pack Station (nr. Mammoth). Bishop is a blast! I think the parade is the best in the world,(well maybe the Circus Parade in Milwualkee is pretty cool). It is all horse or mule powered, and there are some incredible turnouts. I have an open invitation** for anyone who wants to do the parade again this spring, on May 26th. Last year Great Basin Fjords entered 3 parades, and we won best matched pair or group in all 3. (Brag: We even won the Govenor's Award at last years Nevada Day Parade.) This year we plan to have 4 fjords under saddle, and one driving, at Bishop. Karen McCarthy Great Basin Fjords Carson City, NV **"Restrictions apply: Please email me privately re. the Mule Days Parade _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Re: Natural Selection of Stallions -
This message is from: "Karen McCarthy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I think the best way (at this stage) to develop the Fjordhorse for >sport is not through 'push' (ie requiring a 100 day test etc) but >through 'pull' ... get out there and develop your Fjord's abilities... >this will result in a marketplace of people who have seen what the >Fjordhorse is capable of. From here will come the pull that will >emphasize athleticism in breeding. Lori Albrough Moorefield Ontario Very well said, Lori! I would like add that the type of testing Carol is talking about is VERY expensive indeed. I think it too impractical to consider. With the NFHR Evaluation program standing on its own (four?) feet now,I think that the focus of rewarding good looking, versatile and mannered fjord horse will only produce better horses. As regards the "toughness" missing in today's horse that Carol mentioned, I do worry about this. And this is not just a problem with fjordhorses, but almost every horse on the face of the earth, 100 Day Tested or not. ( I do think the little hinny mules that I rode 2 months ago in Baja can be excepted!) We need to realise that we just do not use our horses today as much as in the past. They are pets, not beasts to be turned out on the tundra to fend for themselves when we are done with them in the winter, after a season of hard work. The fjordhorse is a cute teddy-bear of a horse, but it is working breed, and it is our responsibility as owners and breeders, to ensure that we are not producing lawn ornaments, for the sake of lawn ornamentation. Time to make up a new bumper sticker: KEEP THE FJORDHORSE WORKING! (I am sure someone out there can be inspired to a better way of saying this!) Karen McCarthy Great Basin Fjords Carson City, NV _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Re: Re:Tall Fescue Toxicity (long..),
This message is from: "truman matz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -Original Message- From: Patryjak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Date: Friday, January 19, 2001 7:28 PM Subject: Re:Tall Fescue Toxicity (long..), >This message is from: "Patryjak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Karen, >Thank you for info, this is something I have been concerned about in regard >to Mira, who is due late May. I haven't checked out those sites yet, but >will asap. I have been aware of tall fescue and inherent problems, but have >yet to find a really good photos to ID it with. Our pastures are old. May >just have to take a sample of what I think might be fescue into nearby Ag >Extension in the spring. > > > > > Fescue grows in large clumps comprised of fairly large blades of grass. But the clumps are very distinctive,... certainly nothing like a nice lawn grass, for instance. Good luck. J. > > > >
Re: rolling while riding
This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >I also reread some of the older posts on saddle fit and tried to place >the saddle further back to make sure it wasn't interfering with her >shoulder. It is better balenced there but I can't ride anywhere without >going up and down hills and the saddle slid forward going down the first >hill we came to. You can use a crupper with your Ortho-flex, very effective and comfortable for the horse. It will keep the saddle from sliding forward, especially needed on hills! Jean in still warm Fairbanks, Alaska, now +32 , up to +40's today. January in Fairbanks? not the usual! Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: UFF DA
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is a copy of a little pamphlet I got some time ago regarding the meaning of UFF DA. Kind of cute. "Uff da" is not in the dictionary, but for many Scandinavians, it is an all-purpose expression covering a variety of situations such as: Uff Da islooking in the mirror and discovering.you're not getting better, your're just getting older. Uff Da is.trying to dance polka to rock and roll music. Uff Da is.losing your wad of gum in the chicken yard. Uff Da is.eating hot soup when you've got a runny nose. Uff Da is..waking yourself up in church with your own snoring. Uff Da is..sneezing so hard that your false teeth end up in the bread plate. Uff Da is...walking way downtown and then trying to remember what you wanted. Uff Da isgetting swished in the face with a cow's wet tail. Uff Da istrying to pour two buckets of manure into one bucket. Uff Da iseating a delicious sandwich and then discovering the spread is cat food. Uff Da is.arriving late at a lutefisk supper and getting served minced ham instead. Uff Da is.when your two "steady" girl friends find out about each other. Uff Da is.trying to look at yourself in the mirror on January 1st. Uff Da is.looking in your rear view mirror and seeing flashing red lights. Uff Da is.the same as Charlie Brown's "Good Grief." Uff Da is.pushing the light switch and suddenly remembering you forgot to pay the electric bill. Uff Da isopening up the latest real estate tax bill. Uff Da isnoticing non-Norwegians at a church dinner using lefse for a napkin. Uff Da iswatching what dogs to to lutefisk piled up in front of the butcher shop. Uff Da isnot being Scandinavian. Rondi Tyler.
Re: Age-"getting to know you"
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Joni Griffin in Milwaukee, Wisconsin here. I am 46 yrs old, am a medical secretary to a rheumatologist, wife to Raymond for 26yrs and mother of three boys ages: 26, 25, & 15. I board my 10 yr old Fjord gelding-Green Briar Jock at "The Ranch" in Menomonee Falls where he recently began a career as a therapeutic riding horse and is doing a great job. I am a proud "Mom". Jock and I have also just begun taking ground driving lessons as The Ranch will be using him to give cart rides to the kids who are unable to mount a horse. Jock is one of those horses that "does it all"-he's so agreeable to whatever is asked of him-gotta love him! This April, if all goes well, we will participate in the breed demo again at the annual Midwest Horse Fair in Madison, WI. The demo this year will entail jumping a log that will be skidded in by another Fjord. We'll be taking some jumping lessons to prepare for that! I'm enjoying "getting to know all of you!
mule and Bishop
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Oh, Denise, now you have gone and done it!!! Yes, I was at Bishop.everyone got to know me that used the track for exercisingI was the one in the back pen in the breeches and riding helmet in my Western saddle. I literally had one of the packing crewmen riding by with his string on about the third morning and asking me "Ain't you out o' that pen YET!?" I figure that having to deal with my mule will stand me in good stead with my Fjord! I spent the whole week in Bishop.for ONE class..a halter classjust so "Amy" and I could have the experience.besides trying to get her used to being around other mules, people, etc. Yes, there are quite a few more adventure stories from that sojourn.not the least of which was a grueling 14 hour trip home because a forest fire had blocked our 6 hour route home!!! Whew...never do THAT again...next time we stay over! Carole Sweet and herd, in Modesto CA
Re: eons and eons and eons, etc...............
This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Thanks Tillie for the good wishes. Charley has done better with his daily shots of banamine, then he caught a cough virus so is also getting smzs for that. Poor guy. This morning when the ferrier came Charlie was looking very morose. His eyes were squinted up and I thought he was worse again. He was so slow coming out of his stall for the trim. Then I thought he immediately looked better when he was done and put back into his stall. He was okay, evidently he thought we were going to hurt him again. He does not seem to even feel the banamine shots tho. He is certainly getting spoiled with my frequent and nightly check ups when there is always a carrot or apple. I am going to try the salve Exterra recommended by Gayle Ware, in a month or two when we see how this last series worked. Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Barnes & Noble Book Stores
Re: Natural Selection of Stallions -
This message is from: Lori Albrough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Arthur Rivoire wrote: > Maybe it's time for the Evaluation Committee and the NFHR to seriously > discuss 100 Day Testing for Fjord stallions, and requiring them to perform > in sporting events such as dressage, cutting, combined driving. ... > What do you think? Interesting question. I think the best way (at this stage) to develop the Fjordhorse for sport is not through 'push' (ie requiring a 100 day test etc) but through 'pull' ... by which I mean, get out there and develop your Fjord's abilities, show him in dressage, show him in Combined Driving, show him in other athletic pursuits, and show the world what the Fjordhorse can do! This will result in a marketplace of people who have seen what the Fjordhorse is capable of in sport and will WANT ONE that can do the same. From here will come the pull that will emphasize athleticism in breeding. Lori Albrough Moorefield Ontario
Re:Tall Fescue Toxicity (long..),
This message is from: "Patryjak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Karen, Thank you for info, this is something I have been concerned about in regard to Mira, who is due late May. I haven't checked out those sites yet, but will asap. I have been aware of tall fescue and inherent problems, but have yet to find a really good photos to ID it with. Our pastures are old. May just have to take a sample of what I think might be fescue into nearby Ag Extension in the spring. For those of you in warm climes, there are new pics on our website of snow. Considerably diminished by warmer temps, but deep snow nonetheless. http://foxfirefjords.homestead.com/BigSnow.html (Yes, manes are beyond absurd right now, Tomas neater this week, Mira's is ...a work in progress. This mare has more hairs per sq. inch than any I've ever seen!) The horses are bored for the moment, so they have taken to playing with our young cat, Mad Max, who thinks they are oversized, furry rubbing posts. Until today, that is, when Tomas tried to pick him up, gently, with his lips, by one ear! One very wet surprised kitty, who merely proceeded to entwine himself around T's front legs. Hope he doesn't become a flat cat. Betsy in chilly again Michigan
Ages
This message is from: Kim Gibson Rogstad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi we mostly lurke too. I think this idea of a profile is a good idea so here goes Gunnar 38 and Kim 46 our two daughters Casey 5 and Quinn 4 Casey will be 6 in Feb Our four maresVirdon Ingrid 7 and Virdon Dagny 3 these two are in foal to Pat wolfs Stallion Felix and due in mid May the other two mares areWild Flower Cloe 2 and Wild Flower Lily 2 two dogs five cats 5 goats and two on the way. Gunnar and Kim Rogstad Tall Pines Farm Sutton Ont
For Kate, Baldurs Mom
This message is from: "Patryjak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Kate: Did you find out what caused the drooling? Did it stop on it's own? Just curious. Betsy in Michigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://foxfirefjords.homestead.com/
Re: Bio Groom Anti Chew
This message is from: "pattybronson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >I remember hearing that cribbing and wind-sucking started as boredom things but evolved into an addiction. > According to Dr. McDonnell and her research this is not true. According to her they have found that stereotypy behavior is not performed out of boredom. Horses in the wild have been observed with various stereotypy behaviors. Patty Paradise Acres
Re: Bio Groom Anti Chew
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 1/19/01 5:05:31 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > One other thing that Dr. McDonnell said that I found interesting. > According to research at New Bolton there isn't any data that proves > cribbing can be learned from another horse nor that it's due to > boredom. They found that most cribbers were early weaned. > I remember hearing that cribbing and wind-sucking started as boredom things but evolved into an addiction. Cribbing and wind-sucking release endorphins. I've seen several horses go into trances as they wind-suck and startle out of them suddenly. One was a 17 hand TB. She would stand on the Xties sucking away and get so calm and quiet... and then when startled would bolt out the door, breaking the ties and her halter. Her owner finally sold her as she was becoming afraid of her. Kate in CT owned by Baldur the wonder fjord graduate B pony clubber MysticPonyClub egroups moderator ARIA certified riding instructor
Re: rolling while riding
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 1/19/01 9:13:28 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > Thanks all for your responses. Pamala, I hadn't thought about colic, > scary thought and I've watched her like a hawk. She's fine. I'm glad :) Sometimes I hate to post things that could cause undo concern, but on the other hand, I'd hate to NOT post something out of fear of being alarming, and then have that very thing happen. Glad she was just in one of those moods. Pamela
Tall Fescue Toxicity (long..)
This message is from: "Karen McCarthy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Peg,
Read your note re. 'Fescue ' poisoning.
First, there is only one culprit in the fescue family, tall fescue (Festuca
arundinacea). This does not include the whole family. But, tall fescue is a
grass that is commonly found in permanant pastures. One of the reasons for
this,(and this is the interesting part if you are "into" plants) is that the
endophyte that is in the plant actually assists the plant in outcompeting
the other grasses, as it increases the plants tolerance to insects and
drought. Where there is a negative there's a positive...
I am became familiar with the harm causing variety of tall fescue that
contains the endophytes as I used to feed a grass hay that contained allot
of tall fescue. My ex-husband pointed out the possibility that this feed
could be harmful to our horses, as he had had a few too many grass & pasture
managment classes while at OSU. The farmer we purchased our hay from did end
up providing us with documentation that the seed he used for his pastures
was indeed from a low endophyte tall fescue variety. He also cut the hay and
put it up before it headed out, a big plus if you are concerned about this
threat to your horses. You can also have your hay or pasture tested.
Anyway, I have provided a short & long description of Tall Fescue endophyte
toxicity, read on if you want
Karen McCarthy
Great Basin Fjords
Carson City, NV
The following was taken from a page on toxic plants at:
www.huntersponyfarm.com
TALL FESCUE
Festuca arundinacea (grass family)
TOXICITY RATING: Moderate to high, depending upon individual circumstance.
ANIMALS AFFECTED: Horses, cattle, possibly other ruminants.
DANGEROUS PARTS OF THE PLANT: Seed head, stem and leaf sheath.
CLASS OF SIGNS: Reproductive problems, "poor doers", lameness, dry gangrene,
fever, death.
PLANT DESCRIPTION: This grass (fig. 15), often cultivated in wet pastures
for forage or for turf, is a perennial, 3 to 4 foot tall clump grass with
medium-wide leaves that are rough-ribbed on top. It has no rootstocks
(rhizomes). The heads are open and many-branched. Escaped plants may be
found along roadsides and in waste areas.
SIGNS: Toxicity is the result of an endophytic ("inside the plant") fungus,
Acremonium coenophialum, which is believed to enable the grass to be more
hardy and outcompete other grass species. The grass itself is not toxic. The
fungus is passed in the seed, and is not transmitted directly from plant to
plant.
In horses, pregnant mares are most at risk when eating fescue, since the
alkaloids produced by the fungus inhibit prolactin release. Mares will have
an increased risk of prolonged gestation, abortion, stillbirth, dystocia
(difficult birth), foal mortality, retained or thickened placenta, no milk,
and mare death (in foaling, or from a retained placenta).
Additional note: Fescue can accumulate nitrates under conditions of
overfertilization (see the section on oats for more information on nitrate
toxicosis).
FIRST AID: There is only supportive and symptomatic treatment once signs
appear. A veterinarian can advise on treatment of more severely affected
animals. Pregnant mares will be likely to need assistance when foaling and
in the post-foaling period. Foals that survive will require supplemental
colostrum. Management and prevention are the best means to minimize losses.
SAFETY IN PREPARED FEEDS: The toxin remains active in hay.
PREVENTION: Fungicides do not work, so animal and pasture management are the
only viable alternatives. Pastures can be tested for the presence and degree
of fungal contamination, and reseeding may be needed. If reseeding the
pasture is not an option, keeping the pasture short will prevent seed
formation. Feeding other forages, such as other warm season grasses or
legumes, will be of benefit. Fescue pastures can also be diluted with legume
planting (red or white clover). Heavy fertilization may make the problem
worse, especially in cattle. If fescue has to be used for mares, at least
avoid feeding fescue hay or pasture during the last 30 to 60 days of
gestation to minimize problems. Endophyte-free strains of fescue exist,
although they do not grow as well as tall
fescue with endophyte.
...Here is the REALLY long explanation for all you scientific types:
http://www.equitox.com/Impact.html
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Re: eons and eons and eons, etc............
This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I think Steve McIlree is selling nice harness made out of the leather looking "Beta Biothane. Also Dave McWethy! Jean in spring-like Fairbanks, Alaska +40 F. (I suppose it'll snow in May!) >I bought some biothaine riding reins, last year...and really like >them. I just saw an add for a driving harness made out of this >materialanyone have anything they'd like to share, good or bad, >about buying a harness made out of this? > Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ages
This message is from: GAIL RUSSELL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Thor sometimes paws the ground, waiting for the hay to arrive. The >other day he was standing with his one foot stretched forward - he put >his other foot forward and did a cat-style stretch. Never saw a horse >do that before. Gunthar does cat stretches...so should I. :) Gail Russell Forestville CA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: virus
This message is from: "truman matz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Jean, Thanks a lot for the input. I'll be careful with my machine, and check that anti-viurus program first time we're out. Thanks again. Judy >This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Hi Judy, these virus can make a mess of your computer altho tonight I >heard from a guru who says it is the warnings about a virus that do >the damage not the messages. Some attach themselves to your email >addresses and you can infect friends computers. You usually have to >click on something in them to open the virus. Snow white supposedly >has a paper clip to click on. I deleted it so fast I did not see the >clip. The technicians at my local server advised that I get a Norton >anti virus 2000 for about $59. It is an "easily" installed program >and you refresh it once a week. Protects you from every brand of >virus. Hope this helps. Jean
Culprits
This message is from: Anjer Farms <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi, I have 4 mares and haven't had a gelding in many years. From everyone's stories it sounds like geldings are the usual culprits when mischief arises. Do geldings have more attitude and personality than mares? Hard to imagine more personality than my Tedra, but I guess anything is possible! Andrea
Re: eons and eons and eons, etc...............
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm cheating too I guess, I won't be 40 till September 21st. (thank goodness !) Amy >This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Denise I am >cheating, will not be 76 until August. I start calling myself a year >older months before and then it is not such a shock. Jean Dun Lookin' Fjords Bud, Tillie & Amy Evers Redmond, OR http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ridge/8589
Re: eons and eons and eons, etc............
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I guess I too will add my name at this time. I've been WAY behind in my reading...and just caught up. Aimee Day - 36, I live in Maine, have 7 fjords, 2 more on the way this year. We've got snow snow and more snow. I've GOT to get me a sleigh! I bought some biothaine riding reins, last year...and really like them. I just saw an add for a driving harness made out of this materialanyone have anything they'd like to share, good or bad, about buying a harness made out of this? Aimee
ages
This message is from: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Another mostly lurker, surfacing to participate in the age and profile thing. I'm 38, hubby is 42 and two girls, 11 and 9. I subscribe to the digest from work, and forward relevant advice, stories, etc to the family at home. I almost never go near the computer at home - too much to do! I've learned so much from the list, really enjoy the jokes, stories etc. I got inspired to take riding lessons by hearing from others on this list. I thought I was too old to start such a thing - silly me. We have two 11 year old Fjord geldings, a saddle horse of undetermined breed (transplanted southwestern ranch horse - mustang, perhaps), one teeny black pony, sheep, goats, ducks, chickens, cats, dogs, guinea pig and angora bunny. The Fjords are finally, after a very long break, being handled and worked fairly consistently, preparing for being used on the farm. My oldest daughter is riding Thor a little, bareback until we get a saddle that fits. Thor sometimes paws the ground, waiting for the hay to arrive. The other day he was standing with his one foot stretched forward - he put his other foot forward and did a cat-style stretch. Never saw a horse do that before. Thanks to all for a great list - gotta get back to work. Candy, Ed, Erica and Samantha Sloma, Thor, Max, Taco, Billy, et al Laughing Crow Farm, upstate NY
Re: Drooling Baldur
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Baldur's fine today, no drooling. I did consider that he may have bitten himself. On investigating his stall in daylight I found a few places on the wall where he's been "worrying" it. Not really chewing, but scraping with his teeth. He does a lot of licking after eating something...he always has. He loves metal after treats, so maybe the goober did get his tongue stuck to something :-) I also did find bird doo along the walls, I'm going to talk to the barn owner about that. The people who are in the aisle next to us keep their grain in an uncovered wheelbarrow and I think it's attracting the birds. I don't mind the birds, it's the germs that they bring in. I think I'm going to crush his salt block and add it to his feedings with his bioten. I worry about him getting too much with the free choice. He's so oral that he probably licks it when he's bored. Thanks! Kate in CT owned by Baldur the wonder fjord graduate B pony clubber MysticPonyClub egroups moderator ARIA certified riding instructor
Re: Ha Ha Ha, Snow White, and the Sexy Dwarfs ; /
This message is from: Mike May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 11:27 PM 1/18/01 -0500, you wrote: This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jean, do not panic. I belong to several lists and have been getting Ha Ha Sexy, Snow White crap now at least 10 times a week. Dont have to RUSH and do anything, just ignore and delete without opening the attachments. I do not open anything unless someone I know sends me something with prior notice anyway. Lisa So I am not the only one getting these messages nearly every other day or so then? At least Norton does catch them.
Re: Bio Groom Anti Chew
This message is from: "pattybronson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> No he is definitely "cribbing" although they are all 4 legged termites. I should mention that due to an injury my now 10 month old filly has been stall bound since Nov. 28th. She started chewing but the anti chew seems to have "curbed" her appetite. I can only assume that since Billy is a teenager gelding he has absolutely NO taste. My 14 year old will eat anything that resembles food, I'm starting to think Billy is the same. One other thing that Dr. McDonnell said that I found interesting. According to research at New Bolton there isn't any data that proves cribbing can be learned from another horse nor that it's due to boredom. They found that most cribbers were early weaned.
Re: Bio Groom Anti Chew
This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Is he CRIBBING?-- arching his neck and sucking wind? or just chewing wood? Thereew is a BIG difference! They can "crib" on metal, or on nothing, but chewing wood doesn't mean thay are cribbers! Jean in WARM Fairbanks, Alaska, +40 degrees in January! >A footnote here: I was invited by my Vet to attend a lecture by Dr. Sue >McDonnell of the University of Penn. She is a well known Equine Behavior >specialist. In her lecture she discussed all the various stereotypy >behavior. Of all the behaviors that they were able to eliminate by diet, >cribbing was the only one they could NOT stop. > >Patty >Paradise Acres > > > > Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bio Groom Anti Chew
This message is from: "pattybronson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> A comment on the above mentioned product. I searched and searched for this product as Billy the blonde cribs. The Miracle collar doesn't seem to stop it and this product was mentioned as a possible solution. I finally found Anti Chew, bought two bottles and quickly went home to apply on the "chew" areas in all three stalls but more importantly on Billy's ledge to his feeder door as that is his "cribbing" hang out. I removed his Miracle collar and stood back to observe. He walked up... sniffed... grunted (he's part Swine, I'm sure of it as he grunts at everything) and walked off. My heart swelled yes! finally an answer to the cribbing. Watched him off and on through out the day.. he didn't seem to be cribbing. That night I left his feeder door open (he never gets his left open). As I was nearing the barn in the morning I could hear that audible cribbing grunt. Snuck in and sure enough he was cribbing on the feeder door ledge. I assumed the nasty taste was off so I reapplied. He went flying out of his stall to the run at the smell. Yes! I loaded my filly to take to the vet and left. My neighbor guy showed up as I was returning with the filly. Unloaded her as we were talking Billy was cribbing again. I excused myself walked over and "puddled" the Anti chew on the ledge. Replaced the bottle on his blanket hanger and walked away. My neighbor was pointing and laughing I turned to see Billy run his lips across the edge then crib. I thought he had maybe soaked up my "puddles" by sticking his head out and rubbing his neck. I again reapplied the spray and stood back to watch. He took his tongue and licked along the edge then reached out grabbed the bottle of spray in his mouth and stood looking at me. I GIVE UP! A footnote here: I was invited by my Vet to attend a lecture by Dr. Sue McDonnell of the University of Penn. She is a well known Equine Behavior specialist. In her lecture she discussed all the various stereotypy behavior. Of all the behaviors that they were able to eliminate by diet, cribbing was the only one they could NOT stop. Patty Paradise Acres
Ages?
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please add Pam Garofalo- 48 (soon to be 49)
Re: Natural Selection of Stallions -
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Arthur Rivoire) Hello from Carol Rivoire at Beaver Dam Farm in Nova Scotia - I was on the phone today with Bob van Bon, Chief Inspector of Fjords in Holland. When we finished our business, he asked about our old stallion, Gjest who is now 24. I told him Gjest is very healthy, but showing his age in the condition of his teeth, and the drop in his back. Next, Bob asked about his fertility. I said he'd had no problem covering any of the mares we bred him to last season, that they'd all gotten in foal in one cycle. (outside mares as we didn't breed any of our own last season.) Then Bob said something he's said to me many times in the past few years. He said, "WE CAN'T FIND STRONG STALLIONS LIKE GJEST ANYMORE. THERE ARE NO MORE." Arthur was on the extension, and asked Bob why this old type had disappeared, and Bob answered - "Because there is NO MORE NATURAL SELECTION". And then he went on to explain. . . . He said that in the old days, throughout the history of the Fjord in Norway, the stallions had been PROVEN THROUGH WORK. Those stallions worked for the mountain farmers and lived extremely rigorous lives in spartan conditions with poor food (dried cod), and little in the way of vet care and maintenance . . .and the ones who couldn't take it were butchered. Today, Bob said, there is no more work for the stallions, and they do nothing but stand in a meadow and breed. He feels this has weakened the Fjord breed. Then it occured to me that if Fjordhorses were "Sport Horses", that would be a kind of natural selection. The weak ones, not able to do the job, would be put aside and not used for breeding. I said this to Bob, and he agreed that yes, IF FJORDS WERE SPORT HORSES, their strengths and weaknesses would show up, and the strong stallions would be selected in that manner. Warmblood horses are Sport Horses. That's their function. There's not much danger that weakness would persist in those breeds as they'd not be able to fulfill their ordained function. No Warmblood stallion is going to become popular because he's cute and fuzzy and friendly, or looks snappy in the show ring, or has a personable owner. He has to perform, or he's Gravy Train to put it crudely and bluntly. A Warmblood gelding that can't perform is not much use either. Warmbloods are not pets! However, Fjords are pets, which is not a bad thing AS LONG AS THEY ARE ATHLETES AS WELL. I hope to God that the pet quality never is allowed to take precedence over the athletic qualities. Van Bon is saying that the breed has gotten softer because of what he calls "natural selection", meaning a proving ground for the stallions of arduous, long-term work. A program that proves their strength, stamina, abilities, and longevity. Well, that situation of working the stallions in the mountains no longer exists, and it can't be replicated. So, what are we going to use to replace it that can work in the New World? The Warmbloods start off with their 100 Day Testing which gives judges a good idea if the stallion has what it takes. After that, the approved stallion is expected to perform in tough competition, and there he shows if he's a winner or not. --- This is true of all performance horses - dressage horses, jumpers, racers. We don't have anything at all like it in the Fjord breed. What do you think will be the long-term consequences? When someone with the knowledge of Bob van Bon says he's worried that the breed is becoming soft, we should listen. When he says he cannot find any more "strong" stallions such as Gjest, we should begin to be concerned. Maybe it's time for the Evaluation Committee and the NFHR to seriously discuss 100 Day Testing for Fjord stallions, and requiring them to perform in sporting events such as dressage, cutting, combined driving. Make the testing sufficiently tough so that only the strong stallions survive. The use of the Fjordhorse has changed. It's now more recreational (sport) than farm work, and sport can be as tough or tougher on horses than farm work, and as good a proving ground. What do you think? Best Regards, Carol Rivoire Carol and Arthur Rivoire Beaver Dam Farm Fjords II R.R. 7 Pomquet Antigonish County Nova Scotia B2G 2L4 902 386 2304 http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/beaverdf
Re: A question
This message is from: "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 01:59 PM 1/19/01 -0500, you wrote: This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I've been following the thread about member profiles. I would like to know if there is any Fjord publication, with pictures, out there? I have Carol's book, and it was good, but I want more. Pamela Garofalo Well there is the NFHR's quarterly magazine that has pictures & news in it. Also some ads with pictures. You can subscribe to it by going to the web site & clicking on "Joining NFHR". Print the form and mail it to the address on the form with your payment. Subscribe soon so you get all of the 2001 issues. Mike === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Registrar Voice 716-872-4114 FAX 716-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re:Age and Fingerlakes Fjord Show
This message is from: "ceacy henderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hello Listers! Sue Giargiari here at Ceacy's Penfrydd Farm! Her computer is up and running and I am attempting to get her new scanner and printer up and going for her. Then she will invest in a digital camera! Wow! I had already listed my age, 46! On Saturday! OOPppss! That's tomorrow! Honey, I'll be home if the snow stops in time! Dick is 56! We have 9 Fjords, 2 fjords boarding, 1 appy & 1 arabian boarding, 2 pgymy goats, 2 jack russells( Marcus B(9) and daughter, Maggie May(5 mths and oh so cute!!), 3 barn cats, 1 Great Pyreness (Murphy), 1 Beagle(Shiloh, of course!) and 1 house cat! Pumpkin Kitty! Oh, and of course! The best is always last.Anthony!! at a big 12 years now! Yeah Julie! I will let Deb Stevens know the dates for the fjord show! She can put it in for the Insurance with the club, also the clinic. We will be there! Hopefully we will have a camper and be able to stay this year for the Sunday clinic at your house! It was great to see your smiling face in the Herald!! For those of you who didn't come last year, it is a great bunch of fjord folks and was a great show! Classes for all! The facility was great and at quite a bargain! Hotels right near by and food also! Got to go and get to work now! It is snowing so nicely with big ol' flakes gently falling down and building up gradually to a soft cartpet of wonderful riding terrain! We may just have to go out for a ride in a bit!Sue G. in MA, who really lives in NH
UFFDA
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This message is from: "linda hickam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Someday I want to name a filly.Uffda!!!{don't take
anyone}thanks Janne >>
There was a gelding at Blue Earth last year named UFFDA ! Everytime he
would be introduced to the Nordic heavy crowd, they would laugh and clap !
You just need to put your " herd " prefex before the name and you can claim
it too. PF here, PF Hansel, PF Gretel...PF Valjo.
PFLisa
Mike, how many UFFDA's are there ?
A question
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I've been following the thread about member profiles. I would like to know if there is any Fjord publication, with pictures, out there? I have Carol's book, and it was good, but I want more. Pamela Garofalo
Funny Fjord Behavior
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] My 10 year old mare, Riata, has recently decided that it is great fun to run out of her house and kick the side of it when I am carrying her breakfast to her. She is not chubby but very stout and to see her lift both hind feet high in the air like a cartoon mule is both entertaining and impressive. She will go back into her house, run out again and wham! kick the side as if to say "I am feeling so good today!" Good thing it is a well built run-in. Pamela Garofalo
Late-term miscarriages
This message is from: "Knutsen Fjord Farm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi all - In regard to the awful losses of late-term foals, no one has mentioned Fescue as a possible problem. I've read, and it was re-emphasized at the Colorado Reproductive class, that Fescue can cause miscarriage, lack of milk, problems with conception, etc. Their recommendation was to take any pregnant mare off any Fescue for the last 30 days of pregnancy. I've also heard longer. Fescue is nutritious and is in many hay mixes around here [centralWA] but is bad for late-term pregnant mares. You can find pictures of it in vet or horse nutrition books. Steve? The water-wizard culprit is still unidentified and at large. So far the votes I've been receiving are evenly split between Clark the Goat and Sonny the gelding I found a pin which so far has foiled any attempts to repeat the crime, and is easy to operate if you have thumbs, which I do. I shudder to think what the world would be like if Fjords had thumbs Imagining horses with thumbs? You must have too much free time, girl! Bye, Peg Knutsen http://www.eburg.com/~kffjord/
RE: Shake, Rattle & Roll
This message is from: Cynthia_Madden/OAA/UNO/[EMAIL PROTECTED] This discussion brings back memories of growing up in Houston. We had a big (at least he seemed so then) black and white pinto named Duke. Our first horse was Prince (he truly was) a brown and white pinto. Duke came second. We quickly discovered that Duke loved to roll in water. Given an inch of dampness, he would drop. We lived in the city, but close to the edge where much of the land was still undeveloped and about a 45 minute ride from Memorial Park. The park had several stables near it and wonderful brdile trails. We would take off on our horses and spend the day at the park. To get there we had to cross a bridge or go across the Buffalo Bayou. The bridge was kind of scary as it was in heavy traffic and people liked to honk! So we would most often cross the Bayou which was inhabited by cottonmouth snakes. This made it pretty scary tool. To get Duke across the Bayou, we would keep one kid behind him and her responsibility was to smack him on the butt as we crossed to keep from even thinking of rolling. If one of us went to the park by ourselves, Duke was not the horse of choice! He never did roll in the Bayou but he did everywhere else! Mentioning Prince makes me thing a great topic would be to memorialized our first horse! Cynthia email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: rolling while riding
This message is from: Don & Jane Brackett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Thanks all for your responses. Pamala, I hadn't thought about colic, scary thought and I've watched her like a hawk. She's fine. I think it must have just looked like a good rolling spot and I wasn't being fully alert! I got the chance for another ride this morning and stayed very alert. She didn't even try which surprised me as Osa learns almost too quickly and I expected her to have figured out that it would rattle me! :) I also reread some of the older posts on saddle fit and tried to place the saddle further back to make sure it wasn't interfering with her shoulder. It is better balenced there but I can't ride anywhere without going up and down hills and the saddle slid forward going down the first hill we came to. The very old pony that my youngest son rides for his lesson does lie down if she's had enough, I've never seen her do it but the trainer assures us that she does. What a fun education that horses give us humans. Jane
dude ranches/ ground driving
This message is from: "Denise Delgado" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> listers, this is for the lady looking for ranches to ride while on vacation in calif. i found this reference site in western horseman magazine, feb. 2001. www.duderanch.org. also, there is an excellent article in the same issue (page 46) about ground driving colts. its called, "driving colts, part 1: basic maneuvers. arizona trainer, mike kevil, author of wh book, starting colts, shows you the basics for driving your colt in a round pen..." it has lots of photos and goes through step by step. starts with a little about what to do before you drive, getting started, equipment, turning, stopping, and backing. denise
Re: aging on
This message is from: "Denise Delgado" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> carole, did you have some mules at mule days in bishop last year? your name is really familiar to me. denise in murphys. - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, January 19, 2001 6:54 AM Subject: aging on > This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Morning, > It all depends on if we go by January 1st, or and actual birth date > Ok, I am 44, but only until November, when the next birthday rolls around > again! And my Fjord is going to be a year in April...or was it May?? He > comes to greet me, even when he is eating! I thought THAT was rather > revolutionary of him > Carole Sweet Modesto, CA > > > > >
Re: Salt answers and new question
This message is from: Mary Thurman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Ok, to answer the questions regarding salt... > > I gave him one of those small blocks that fits in > the holder thingies on the > wall. It was reddish brown with no ingredients > listed. So, it was what we call a 'brick' of salt. Reddish brown means it was probably what they call a 'trace mineral' block - which may or may not contain selenium. Usually these come in big boxes at the feed store with ingredients/contents listed somewhere on the box. His eating the whole block in one day or so is pretty 'normal' for a Fjord - especially one that is stabled and probably bored. Could never use these with our boys - or most young stock - as they played with them (Oh boy! Something to crunch!) and either ate the whole thing in a couple days or reduced it to smithereens all over the bottom of the manger or floor of the stall. Then they'd go to work on the holder, using it for a 'butt scratcher/shoulder itcher' until it broke into small - sometimes sharp - pieces! We use only the big blocks, and place them in one end of the manger or in a home-built holder of some kind so they can't use them as a toy to be rolled and kicked around the stall. Mary = Mary Thurman Raintree Farms [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
Re: UFFDA
This message is from: "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 11:31 PM 1/18/01 -0500, you wrote: This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] There was a gelding at Blue Earth last year named UFFDA ! Everytime he would be introduced to the Nordic heavy crowd, they would laugh and clap ! You just need to put your " herd " prefex before the name and you can claim it too. PF here, PF Hansel, PF Gretel...PF Valjo. PFLisa Mike, how many UFFDA's are there ? None. There is one that is named: KJOR UFFDA NFHR Reg. No: RDK-J-965-S Microchip ID: 407A3E2B2C Gender: Stallion Color: Brown Dun Date of Birth: 1996-04-11 SOUTH DAKOTA Owner: ROBERT D KJORSVIG KJORSVIG FJORDS RR1, BOX 73 ROSLYN, SD UNITED STATES 57261 === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Registrar Voice 716-872-4114 FAX 716-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
aging on
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Morning, It all depends on if we go by January 1st, or and actual birth date Ok, I am 44, but only until November, when the next birthday rolls around again! And my Fjord is going to be a year in April...or was it May?? He comes to greet me, even when he is eating! I thought THAT was rather revolutionary of him Carole Sweet Modesto, CA
Re: Eons and eons....
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Oh, Hell! Merek Geiger M/52 and Valea's Lars 15 (May)
Fjord show dates
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 1/18/01 8:45:45 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << News Flash The second annual Fingerlakes Fjord Horse show will be on Saturday, July 21st, at the Cayuga County Fairgrounds in Weedsport, New York. >> Isnt that the same or right next to the same week as the Blue Earth Fjord show ? I will never make all 4 at this ratesigh. Wish they were spaced apart a bit. Hard to make Libby AND Turlock just being a week or so apart.Lisa ( just wining, sorry , but would LOVE to attend the East Coast show someday.
Re: Drooling Baldur
This message is from: "Patryjak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Kate, How is Baldur this am? I have had one incidence of a drooling horse, sounds similar to what you see. Turned out another horse had bit the end of my horses' tongue! Long funny story...took place at a boarding farm. End result was, vet happened to be there when I discovered horse drooling profusely. It took a lot of inspecting the mouth to find the 4 perfect teeth marks (facing the wrong way) on the underside of his tongue. (Treated with peroxide rinses from large syringe, which made him drool foam.) If he is still drooling today, you may want to check his mouth really well for cuts, splinters, bites ...or is he stalled or turned out next to another horse? Could he have licked a cold piece of metal and had his tongue freeze to it? Since he's been so actively licking salt, maybe he did make his tongue sore. Hope it is nothing serious. Let us know. Betsy in Michigan
Ha Ha Ha, Snow White, and the Sexy Dwarfs ; /
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 1/18/01 8:45:45 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I hesitate to send this but I received "snow white" in my mail yesterday and as I recall it may go along with email. If you should get it do what I did and immediately delete it and delete it out of your delete box immediately. Do not stop and read it. >> Jean, do not panic. I belong to several lists and have been getting Ha Ha Sexy, Snow White crap now at least 10 times a week. Dont have to RUSH and do anything, just ignore and delete without opening the attachments. I do not open anything unless someone I know sends me something with prior notice anyway. Lisa
Re: virus
This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Judy, these virus can make a mess of your computer altho tonight I heard from a guru who says it is the warnings about a virus that do the damage not the messages. Some attach themselves to your email addresses and you can infect friends computers. You usually have to click on something in them to open the virus. Snow white supposedly has a paper clip to click on. I deleted it so fast I did not see the clip. The technicians at my local server advised that I get a Norton anti virus 2000 for about $59. It is an "easily" installed program and you refresh it once a week. Protects you from every brand of virus. Hope this helps. Jean Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Barnes & Noble Book Stores
Re: Salt answers and new question
This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Kate, having had a horse choke with a piece (big) of apple in her throat I do not think your horse has that. You could feel the piece in my horses throat. Luckily it did not hamper her breathing. Tooth problems? Have to ask you if your horses have salt available at all times? A necessity of life. Jean PS hope all is well in the morning. Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Barnes & Noble Book Stores
Carts for sale
This message is from: Anita Unrau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Orville is spending time between driving colts, making a number of two wheeled carts that will be ready to go in the next couple of weeks. The carts are the similar to the one we had at the International Fjord show in Libby for those of you that tried to buy that one. The cart is a two wheel, torsion suspension, all steel, easy entry type, training or cross country vehicle. The wheels are 1 1/2" by 32". Price is $1200.00 US. Orville will be leaving at the end of January for Santa Maria, California and will be taking some carts with him to sell while there. He will also have the following Norwegian Fjords for sale while in Santa Maria: Anvil's Regjer Sire: Anvil's Regin-Dam: Mari. Coming five year old, l4.3h brown dun gelding that has been used for trail riding in the mountains as well as driving single and pair. Reg is a forward moving, uphill built horse with lots of potential for Dressage and CDE's. Reg is quiet and gentle to handle with excellent ground manners. Stands quietly to mount or hook and unhook. Price is $6500.00US KeJaCo's Olga Sire:Liedjo-Dam: Anvil's Levende. Coming four year old, 13.3h brown dun filly. Bred to Anvil's Morgen and will foal spring 2001. Olga has been trained to ride as well as drive single and pair. Olga does excellent walk, trot and canter transitions, up and down, canter departs on the correct lead, counter canter, turn on the haunches, turn on the forhand and leg yield. Driven in the pair she walks 1 Km consistently in 9 min 45 sec. Olga has been shown by our daughter in English Pleasure classes as well as Western classes at the International Fjord show in Libby, MT where she won numerous ribbons. Orville drove her in three pair classes and they won the Obstacle Driving , second place in the Log Skid and a third in the Pleasure Driving. You can tell where Orville's priorities lie. Price: $8,000 US Email privately for pictures and information about the carts or the Fjords. Anvil's Acres Norwegian Fjord Horses Anita and Orville Unrau "Disposition, Conformation, Versatility" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 250-446-2502
12 yr old training
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 1/18/01 8:45:45 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << This message is from: "Frederick J. \(Fred\) Pack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Mary, Someone wrote on this list, some time ago, that he/she stopped the problem by refusing to approach the horse until it stopped. One of my girls (mares) had a habit of banging on the gate until she was fed, WHEN SHE SAW ME COMING with the food. >> That was my 12 yr old son, Cody. Oscars Sweet Korina, loved to bang, bang, bang on anything ( mostly anything metal ) when she thought it was time for food. Cody was observed by me one day to suddenly stop while approaching her pen with the hay cart.then going again, stopping, going.I asked him " whats up " and he said hes " teaching " Korina NOT to bang.Looking at them, now, she will still sometimes revert this obnoixus behavior, until Cody stops and looks at her ONE TIME, LOL. She will even raise up her foot, but hold it there till he throws her feed. Lisa
Cows count
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 1/18/01 8:45:45 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << This message is from: "Janne Myrdal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> OK, OK, I am 38, my horses are 13 (QH), fjords are 10, 9 and 9 months. Two dogs, a yellow lab and a JR puppy, 2 cats, fish, parakeet ( I hate that messy thing) and way to many cattle to count :). >> OMG JANE !What if you lost one ? Dont cows count ? Cant cows be treated in the same light as a parakeet ? Cows have feelings too.. mooving on now, Lisa
