Lurkerdom
This message is from: "Gail Russell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Tamara Hiding out in Fallbrook CA and considering lurkerdom. No, No.don't do that!!! You add to the list..! Gail
Re: Fat Fjords (eating too much)
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] "...but I think that Fjords don't founder any easier than any other breed...You really have to keep close tabs on Fjords eating too much. They have an eating disorder so to say. They want to eat all the time..." I can second that one! ;-) Loki came home to me in early June - 200 lbs overweight, the day I picked him up. Our vet says he still needs to lo ose another 100 lbs *at least*. Just moved boarding stables last weekend. Former place is selling their land - so better to move on in the summer, rather than when the snows hit this fall. While there - I just limited the number of hours that Loki could be loose with the rest of my herd (a Standardbred, and 2 ponies) in the grazing pasture. Now, at the new place in Bennett - it is a *large* pen but no grazing pasture. So that's easy to regulate. ;-) Something nice - I could swear I saw a TINY bit of muscle tone, peeping out from the flubber, this week! (grin) "... They are easy keepers and you don't have to do any grain feeding unless they are being worked very hard everyday..." That's same here, too -- straight grass (no alfalfa, no grain) plus mineral & salt lick. Oh yes - the occasional carrot or shared apple.;-) "...We also say that they will get fat by just looking at a blade of grass..." That's something Loki's been teaching me! (grin) He truely resents his "diet" - as he'd say, a far cry from "voluntary dieting"! LOL Happy trails! Sher in Aurora, CO Like to ride weekdays? Colorado _http://groups.yahoo.com/group/COWeekdayRider/_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/COWeekdayRider/) Trail book for equestrians, Colorado _http://RockyMountainTrails.net/Book.html_ (http://rockymountaintrails.net/Book.html)
RE: Insurance
This message is from: "Gail Russell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I had the same problem. Allstate doesn't even seem to ask the question. I had a "farm" policy, and they cancelled me after I got over a certain number of horses. The Allstate policy is a residential policy, and I did have to state that this was not a "farming operation" (it is not...these are pets). After that they asked no more questions. Gail -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 12:49 PM To: Fjord list Subject: Insurance This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mare for Sale
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Karen, Luckily, I was able to speak in length to Brian Jacobsen about the genetics concerning red duns. Mike May had referred me when we had one born a couple of years ago. Basically, the way it works from how it was explained to me is that if a red dun is born, then both parents carry the red dun recessive gene, regardless of their color. Furthermore, even if only one parent carries the gene, the offspring will also carry the gene. However, for a red dun to occur, both parents must have this gene and even in such an instance, the possibility of a red dun is approximately 25%. Hope this helps! In a message dated 8/5/2004 9:50:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Lynda, don't you mean this foal "may" get the red dun gene? According to the NFHR records, Engar is a brown dun. Only a red dun can absolutely guarantee passing on a red gene to its offspring. A brown dun with the recessive red would have a 50/50 shot of passing that red gene. And if one were hoping for a red foal, each parent would have to have and pass on a red recessive gene. Cheers! Karen Thanks much, references are available. Lynda and Daniel Bailey's Norwegian Fjord Horse Farm White Cloud, MI 231-689-9902 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hometown.aol.com/baileysfjords/index.html
Re: cheap Fjord foals
This message is from: Tamara Rousso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Steve - My sincere apologies. I really do understand the word STOP, but my mistake was in answering an email before reading through all 45 I had this morning. When I got to yours that said "no more" (two more words I actually understand - and not trying to be sarcastic here, but rather chiding myself) it was too late. I had already sent the email. I should have immediately posted an apology at that point. I wasn't sure if appropriate 'net etiquette was to apologize, again drawing attention to the thread, or to just let it go. I am so embarrassed. Again so sorry. Tamara Hiding out in Fallbrook CA and considering lurkerdom. On Thursday, August 5, 2004, at 12:26 PM, Steve McIlree wrote: This message is from: Steve McIlree <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Tamara-- Thursday, August 5, 2004, you wrote: I didn't interpret the post as promoting cross breeding. That has been done by the PMU ranchers already and as long as Premarin holds a market that will continue. I don't mean to pick on Tamara, but I do want to make it clear I am not kidding. Just what part of STOP is it that is hard to understand? We are NOT going to get involved in another discussion of PMU, cross-bred, rescue, etc. The next person who chimes in on this thread may find themselves off the list. -- Steve McIlree Owner/Administrator FjordHorse List.
RE: Insurance
This message is from: "Karen Keith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> My trailer is insured with my auto insurance, but it's individually named on the policy, along with the truck and two cars. We use USAA. Karen My insurance is with American Family as well. When I called to insure my >horse trailer, they told me that it was covered under my auto insurance. I do not have a separate policy for the trailer. I hope I am not under>insured. _ SEEK: Now with over 50,000 dream jobs! Click here: http://ninemsn.seek.com.au?hotmail
RE: Mare for Sale
This message is from: "Karen Keith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> We know Engar carries the red dun recessive gene, so this foal will, too. Lynda, don't you mean this foal "may" get the red dun gene? According to the NFHR records, Engar is a brown dun. Only a red dun can absolutely guarantee passing on a red gene to its offspring. A brown dun with the recessive red would have a 50/50 shot of passing that red gene. And if one were hoping for a red foal, each parent would have to have and pass on a red recessive gene. Cheers! Karen _ Smart Saving with ING Direct earn 5.25% p.a. variable rate: http://ad.au.doubleclick.net/clk;7249209;8842331;n?http://www.ingdirect.com.au/burst6offer.asp?id=8
Re: fjordhorse-digest V2004 #177
This message is from: "Sheri E. Kane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi friends, I haven't kept up on the list lately, I do try to scan over things now and then. I told more than a few folks online that I would update them on Red's EPM condition. Hopefully no one else is going through this. I have received some positive and some negative responses, and I DO appreciate ALL of your comments. I won't go over the boring details, but Red IS showing improvement during his 4th week of Marqui treatment. Our very well known dressage trainer next door did a visual examination,,, turn on the haunches, maybe 8 times in 1 direction then trott off, then back to the other side,,, over and over again. Red was able to keep his balance and he looked pretty ok. 4 weeks ago he would have fallen over in the field after 2 turns. Last nite we lunged him at the walk trott, as the Dr. allowed, and he tripped 4 times and looked sore on the right front, but he was steady. Dr. said to put him on grass if staying on dry paddock made him anxious ANXIOUS,?? GRASS ON THE OTHER SIDE,,! CAN'T HAVE IT,,, ANXIOUS.!!! After 1 long month,,, Red was seen galloping with the others. We are very hopeful indeed. thanks for everyone's prayers and best wishes. Maybe the key is to catch EPM early and treat it immediatly. We sure are hopeful. sheri and red, in wisconsin
Trained gelding for sale
This message is from: "Douglas Knutsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi - Our friend, Toots Mahre, whom many of you met at the Day's Creek Evaluation, is offering her brown dun gelding, KFF Rustenson, for sale. Yes, he is the son of Rusten, lucky boy. Toots says," Rustenson is working well under saddle at the walk, trot, and canter. He does very nice turns on the forehand and turns on the haunch. He leg yields at both the walk and trot and side passes to open and close a gate. He trailers well and enjoys our outings on the trail. His calm disposition and friendly temperament make him a pleasure to work with. He has potential to do well in a variety of disciplines." Vital stats - foaled May 1999; 14-1 hh; 1000 lbs; KFF-M-1102-SG. Asking $5000.00 View him on the NFHR Pedigree Search page and also on our farm web site [as "Sonny"], shown below. This has been her first Fjord, but Toots has worked with horses all her life, and has a degree in Equine Science. She teaches riding at a nearby dude ranch. You can reach her at 509-933-3551 or [EMAIL PROTECTED] . I couldn't recommend Toots more highly as someone to do business with. Peg Knutsen www.elltel.net/kffjord/
Re: fjordhorse-digest V2004 #177
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 8/5/04 2:04:30 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > but when you start promoting the practice of > cross breeding I see red! > Who was promoting it? To tell people who may not be in a situation to buy a several thousand dollars horse (but want one with the wonderful Fjord personality) about a rescue site (I did not give the address of the now defunct PMU Farm!) is not condoning their breeding practices!!
Fjord driving day
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Mark, I am a lurker on the Fjordie list. I live in Saint Paul and board at the same place with Tish Pasqual. (I also have a Diamond Aire aussie, so there is another connection!) I'm wondering if non-fjords would be allowed at the drive. When it came time for me to buy a horse, I decided that as a novice I would be more comfortable with something smaller and less intimidating than a fjord, so I bought a Welsh pony. (But he's sort of dun colored . . . ) At any rate, I don't have a fjord, but Tish and I were discussing your driving day and it sounds like loads of fun. I have another friend with a fjord in Saint Paul who might be interested as well. If you prefer to keep it all fjords that absolutely fine, but I thought I would check. BTW, I love your cross of Aussie lines. I think Mike Boughton's old lines mixed with Diamond Aire is a fantastic cross. My DA aussie is a red merle River son, out of a bitch named Minnie. Minnie is a Jude x Sandy daughter. Thanks a million, Jane :-)
Re: Insurance
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello, We use Farm Bureau for both auto, trailer, and farm. With the trailer, we use a BAPP policy. Thanks much, references are available. Lynda and Daniel Bailey's Norwegian Fjord Horse Farm White Cloud, MI 231-689-9902 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hometown.aol.com/baileysfjords/index.html
RE: Insurance
This message is from: "Casanova, Julie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mariposa Farm Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 4:01 PM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Re: Insurance This message is from: Mariposa Farm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I'd be interested in info on other peoples Insurance companies too. Especially ones that insure horse operations that do boarding, training, lessons, etc. Mark McGinley Mariposa Farm My insurance is with American Family as well. When I called to insure my horse trailer, they told me that it was covered under my auto insurance. I do not have a separate policy for the trailer. I hope I am not under insured. Julie Minnesota
Re: Insurance
This message is from: Mariposa Farm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I'd be interested in info on other peoples Insurance companies too. Especially ones that insure horse operations that do boarding, training, lessons, etc. The company I've had in the past is getting out of those lines and the new one that my agency recommends is pretty expensive. My horse trailer is insured thru my regular auto insurance company, (American Family) It's cheap and it covers damage by animals... including horses... even from inside the trailer! I wonder how long that will last. :) Mark McGinley Mariposa Farm Washburn, WI [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi everyone! I don't post often but something came up today that I wanted some input on. We purchased a new trailer and called to add it to our insurance. Our agent called back and said Safeco wanted to know how many horses we had--like a fool, I told him! Safeco has decided that they will not renew our policy next year as we have too many horses!!! They said that they "allow" for two horses per adult. We have been with Safeco for 20+ years and have had well over 2 horses each for the whole time. They have a least given us almost a full year to find another insurer as it was just renewed in July. Now to my question--do any of you have a good insurance company that accepts the fact that you have horses in numbers above the "normal"? On another, happier subjectLatigo and I went to another show (#2) last weekend and had a great time. We showed against 2 fancy, high steppin' Morgans and a QH in 2 driving classes. We came in second in both classes behind one of the Morgans and it's trainer! I was really pleased with Latigo as he was steady as a rock even though the arena was extremely deep and "sticky" with a very rough "bottom". On to Libby!! Barb Lynch Benton City, WA
Insurance
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi everyone! I don't post often but something came up today that I wanted some input on. We purchased a new trailer and called to add it to our insurance. Our agent called back and said Safeco wanted to know how many horses we had--like a fool, I told him! Safeco has decided that they will not renew our policy next year as we have too many horses!!! They said that they "allow" for two horses per adult. We have been with Safeco for 20+ years and have had well over 2 horses each for the whole time. They have a least given us almost a full year to find another insurer as it was just renewed in July. Now to my question--do any of you have a good insurance company that accepts the fact that you have horses in numbers above the "normal"? On another, happier subjectLatigo and I went to another show (#2) last weekend and had a great time. We showed against 2 fancy, high steppin' Morgans and a QH in 2 driving classes. We came in second in both classes behind one of the Morgans and it's trainer! I was really pleased with Latigo as he was steady as a rock even though the arena was extremely deep and "sticky" with a very rough "bottom". On to Libby!! Barb Lynch Benton City, WA
Baby stallion for sale.
This message is from: "Douglas Knutsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi all - It's time [sob] to find a new home for our sweet little stud muffin, Knutsen Fjord's Soren. Soren's sire is Old Hickory's wonderful imported stallion, Flotren. Flotren, 2.pr in Norway, earned an 84.5 in the NFHR Conformation and Movement Evaluation section, and has NFHR Gold and Silver Medallions of Quality in Performance. He has earned Overall Grand Championships at prestigous Fjord shows. He is a well-proven sire, having produced many fine offspring in Norway, Canada, and the US. Flotren can be viewed on the NFHR Pedigree Search pages, as well as the Old Hickory Farm pages, www.oldhickoryfarm.com . We will be able to see him in the flesh at Libby this September! Soren's dam is our grey Erlend daughter, OH Sadie. Sadie has earned NFHR Gold and Silver Medallions of Quality, as well as a Conformation and Movement score of 85.25, slightly out-scoring her dad and her mate. You go, girl! Her grey sire, MVF Erlend, 3.pr, earned Gold and Silver Medallions of Quality, as well as a Conformation and Movement score of 84.5. Sadie and Erlend also can be viewed on the NFHR Pedigree Search pages, as well as on our web site, www.elltel.net/kffjord . Soren, like his full-brother, Knutsen Fjord's Aren, is an exceptional example of the breed. He is up-headed, balanced, sweet-tempered, and moves beautifully. A brown dun, Soren should be able to produce offspring of various colors, through both sides of his pedigree. See him on the NFHR site, or contact us for more photos. We will make a video soon. We are asking $5000. US for him as a weanling stallion, and $4000. as a gelding. Thanks, Peg Peg Knutsen www.elltel.net/kffjord/
Re: Dagrun's e-mail address
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 8/4/2004 3:36:08 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have a delightful working student here from Sweden who was referred to me by Dagrun and she is looking for Dagrun's e-mail address . Thanks Vivian C. Hi Vivian- It's [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brigid
Re: training with food treats
This message is from: "jgayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I use apples or fruit in season, occasionally to get my horses to come to me in the field. Usually they come anyway but when they get a bit distracted I use apples for a few times and then not. After awhile it gets to be a habit and they come when called. I do not use feeding as a reward. Jean G Author "The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 46-49 Send $20 to: PO Box 104 Montesano, WA 98563
Re: cheap Fjord foals
This message is from: Steve McIlree <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Tamara-- Thursday, August 5, 2004, you wrote: > I didn't interpret the post as promoting cross breeding. That has been > done by the PMU ranchers already and as long as Premarin holds a market > that will continue. I don't mean to pick on Tamara, but I do want to make it clear I am not kidding. Just what part of STOP is it that is hard to understand? We are NOT going to get involved in another discussion of PMU, cross-bred, rescue, etc. The next person who chimes in on this thread may find themselves off the list. -- Steve McIlree Owner/Administrator FjordHorse List.
Grass Grabbing solution!
This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Well, one great thing that I got from the Parelli clinic is the solution to your Fjord grabbing lunch while riding! Now the Parelli instructor said, surprizingly, that it is OK to let them eat grass when YOU want them to, but to get their attention while on their back, don't yank on the reins or kick..slap them on the withers/neck with the end of the reins! Doesn't have to be hard. I watshed Walt Brunner do it with his Fjord mare Milly at the clinic, but I thought to myself "That'll never work with Bjorken, He is too focused on eating. I have yanked, pulled, kicked, cussed, etc. to get him to keep his head out of the grass/fireweed, to no avail. But today I went for a lovely ride, slapped his neck/withers with the reins a couple times when he dove to eat and low and beholdit works! He had to be reminded occassionally, but he was so much better that I was astounded! And he didn't bolt or anything from the slap. I got so I could just wave the end of the reins back and forth saying "head up", or just a light tap and he was good for quite a stretch. So, give this a try! It will work better if you have the split reins or Romal reins of course, but I did it even with the English reins. Jean in sunny and gorgeous Fairbanks, Alaska, smoke is gone, the Fair starts tomorrow and we have SUN and 80 degrees predicted for the next several days! What an unusual summer! Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Mare for Sale
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello to all, We are finally selling our last young mare, Mid's Brita C-1886, FAM-L-1537-M, microchip #411F1D2D14. She is 6 years old, brown dun, stands 14.3, and is cross registered with the NFHR and CFHA. She has had two foals to date, both selling prior to weaning and both gorgeous babes! Brita is currently in foal for an early 2005 summer foal. Brita is very friendly, inquisitive, and literally dotes on people. This is the girl the private evaluator raved so highly about a few years back, in fact, the evaluator said that Brita was one of the nicest fillies she had seen. Her conformation, temperament, and movement are stunning! Click here for Brita's pedigree: MID'S BRITA C-1886 Click here for the pedigree of her upcoming foal: Hypothetical Mating We know Engar carries the red dun recessive gene, so this foal will, too. Brita was a slow maturer so while she has tons of ground manner and in hand work completed, she has not had begun riding or driving training as of yet, although we did start a bit of ground driving with her last year. She is now ready for such training! We are asking $3500 for Mid's Brita and remember, she is in foal! There is a picture available of her on our website, with hopefully more to come soon! We are making a trip to the Albany, NY area, leaving here no later than August 15th. We could arrange very reasonable, if not free transport, for Brita if she is sold to a good quality home that is directly along our route plan. Thanks much, references are available. Lynda and Daniel Bailey's Norwegian Fjord Horse Farm White Cloud, MI 231-689-9902 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hometown.aol.com/baileysfjords/index.html
Re: cheap Fjord foals
This message is from: Tamara Rousso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On Thursday, August 5, 2004, at 05:38 AM, Ruth Bushnell wrote: You can talk all you want about the cross bred being a darling horse and their life worth as much as a purebred, (but certainly not their net worth) and I can agree with that, but when you start promoting the practice of cross breeding I see red! I didn't interpret the post as promoting cross breeding. That has been done by the PMU ranchers already and as long as Premarin holds a market that will continue. Menopausal women - forgo the premarin! I think the person who posted has a big heart and was trying to save some babies and was hopeful that those of us that love Fjords would be more likely to rescue if Fjord blood was involved. I actually offered to geld a Fjord cross stallion on a Canadian ranch that was described as docile if someone would adopt him. I've no more room, and the thought of that wonderful Fjord disposition going to the meat man made me too sad. There were (are) many stallions in need, but because I love Fjords that is the one I wanted to help. That said (and before you breeders start flaming away) I do have to say that if you want a FJORD you need to get a purebred and you need to be darn picky about the breeder. I do not breed Fjords, but have experience breeding and buying other purebreds. The best way to be happy with the Fjord you get is to look at the breeder's program and spend the time researching. I recently had a thoroughbred breeder chastise me for adopting a PMU mare because it hurt her foal market. I don't agree. First of all I wasn't in the market for a horse - I only did it because I love animals and wanted to save a horse that would otherwise become someone's dinner. Secondly I would never buy a Thoroughbred anyway. And I am holding dear to the day when we move and have more land of getting a second Fjord. Speaking of which I contacted a breeder who occassionally posts on this list and requested a tour while we are vacationing near them. I never heard back. Is it possible said breeder knows from the list I can't buy right now and so doesn't want to "waste their time". If so shame! I'll be looking somewhere more hospitable when the time comes... Tamara Rousso Fallbrook CA - where WNV has just reared its ugly head www.algedifarm.com
training with food treats
This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Here is an excerpt from a discussion on the Equine Studies Institute website that I thought was interesting: http://www.equinestudies.org/discus/ Teaching Tricks By Dr. Deb Bennett Dear Kat -- I also have no problem with using food treats. However, you must be very clear that you are using them as motivators and rewards rather than bribes. A reward is something that comes AFTER the desired action; a bribe is something that comes BEFORE the desired action. You "cure" horses of being pushy or nippy on food treats by giving them no reason whatsoever to nipin fact, quite the opposite. This requires that you have utterly zero fear of getting your fingers caught between the animal's teeth -- you have to be so steady and unafraid that you can put your hand crosswise in his mouth, or between his incisor teeth, without ever succumbing to an overwhelming urge or instinct to jerk your hand back. When you have that kind of steadiness, then when you feed the treat, you put the carrot chunk (or the piece of apple or yam or horse cookie or whatever you're using) in the palm of your hand, and push the palm of your hand flat up against his lips. When the horse opens his lips to grasp the tidbit, do not remove your hand, but if anything slightly increase the pressure against his face. Keep your hand there for five seconds or more even after he begins chewing. L ettheHORSEbetheonetobreakcontact.If and when he does break contact, he will back away. At that point, gently lower your hand. If you feed them this way, there will be no problem at any time, and the horse will understand it and retain his good manners. It is kids and inexperienced adults who are afraid to get their hands bitten that are the ones who teach horses to nip. It's much the same with petting a cat on the stomach: you have to be able to just wait there even after he clomps onto you with his claws. If at that point you yell "OW!" and jerk your hand back, that is when you get scratched; in other words, for the most part it is the person who scratches herself. If you just softly wait, the cat will eventually unhook himself and you will get the minimum injuries. >>>snip> Overall, I like food treats as being very helpful in speeding up the learning process (I call carrots "brain lubricant"), and in helping to maintain or increase the horse's motivation and willingness, not to mention his enjoyment. To keep the food from being a bribe, make sure that at every stage you have clearly in mind what the "minimum rewardable response" has to be, and then absolutely do not feed unless the minimum standard is met. * Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska a beautiful sunny day, will be 85 degrees today! Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cheap Fjord foals
This message is from: "Barbara Kellison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I really need to speak up in Patty's defense. I own a purebred Fjord that I got from a stunt rider in Canada. She had a less than dignified beginning and I've spent countless hours trying to undo the damage done to this beautiful creature. She is not conformationally perfect, but she is my pride and joy and the object of much admiration. My point here is that neither Patty nor I own a Fjord that would compare to one that we could purchase for say $12,000 or $8,000 or even $4,000. But we love the breed and everything about it. By adopting a PMU foal, we are not condoning the PMU industry. We are trying to undo some of the damage done by this horrendous industry but giving wonderful homes to great little horses who are frowned at by people who have no use for anything less than perfect. We, like you, grit our teeth at the practice of mixing Fjord blood with any breed that makes a bigger Fjord.( Biigger Fjords mean more meat.) The PMU industry is going away, slowly but surely. It is all through the efforts of people like Patty and SOS Rescue, that's right, Rescue, and not through the efforts of people who condemn the innocent product of the industry to certain death. We joined the board to share our love of the breed with other Fjord lovers, but instead have been insulted and chastised. It is true that rescues are being phased out and are being given the opportunity to become brokers for PMU farmers. But as people become educated about hormone replacement therapy and the practice of PMU farming, this too shall pass. These so called imitation Fjords aren't doing any damage to the Fjord industry. The only people adopting or buying Cross bred Fjords are people who can't afford the purebred prices. From: "Ruth Bushnell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com To: Subject: Re: cheap Fjord foals Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 05:38:14 -0700 This message is from: "Ruth Bushnell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > this is a fjord line Only ... Bo Fjords > > are we only allowed to talk about pure bred fjords on this line ...Sue ~~~ Having just inadvertently sent a frame with nothing in it, I guess the element of surprise is gone = (apologies) Talking about cross breds and ADVERTISING them are two different things entirely! The Quilter post which had the website advertising cross breds, was at the very least in poor taste, (on a Fjord List) and I didn't like it either! If a lot of you breeders out there would speak up, you'd admit you didn't appreciate it much. The horse market in general is bad and the last thing we need right now is offers of cheap imitations... which are a hazard to the purebred Fjord industry. That particular post was an advertisment for an unprincipled breeder that had probably supplied the PMU industry and is now left holding a surplus because of current restrictions. There are now hundreds of unwanted cross breds! By promoting their despicable practice in this manner, the lady that posted their site is adding to the problem of cross breed proliferation and unethical breeding practices. There is already an e-mail List for Fjord rescues and that would have been a better choice to post these kinds of notices. I hated to comment on this as I know this subject has caused controversary in the past but all it takes for wrong to succeed is silence. When I think of the many Fjord owners who throughout the years have spent thousands and thousands of dollars and spared no efforts in improving and preserving the wonderful Norwegian Fjord horse, only to have their major investments and self sacrifice diluted and cheapened by unprincipled pirates, it makes me sick! You can talk all you want about the cross bred being a darling horse and their life worth as much as a purebred, (but certainly not their net worth) and I can agree with that, but when you start promoting the practice of cross breeding I see red! Ruthie, nw mt _ Overwhelmed by debt? Find out how to Dig Yourself Out of Debt from MSN Money. http://special.msn.com/money/0407debt.armx
Re: cheap Fjord foals
This message is from: Steve McIlree <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I am going to call for a stop to this thread right now. If need be I will filter further discussion on this topic. -- Steve McIlree - Pferd, Skipper & Clust - Omaha, NE/Las Cruces, NM, USA Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. -- Voltaire(1694 - 1778)
Re: cheap Fjord foals
This message is from: "Debi Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I raise Pure bred Fjords but I don't care if someone wants to let the rest of us know where these foals are available. What I do care very much about is that those getting the foals understand, 1. crosses can not be bred to pure bred Fjords. 2. PMU cross stallions should be gelded to prevent such breeding practices. (A cheap breeding is just Too attractive for people to pass up. I went to a BLM adoption recently. $125.00 for some nice young stock. There was a bidding but no one raised the bid. Only a few that went thru were bid on, most were just passed thru. They were bought after the bidding had finished in a second chance round. And here's a kicker---$25.00 for a buddy after you have bought one at the $125.00 price. People were getting 2 or three young mares with breeding plans for them. I can only hope these horses do have a good home for a year while they adopters must wait for title. there is an online auction coming up. you bid on line like Ebay. The animals can then be shipped to a drop off point where you have to pick them up. I guess that isn't Fjord related either, as none of them are Fjords... thankfully!! debi williams
Re: epoxy
This message is from: "Debi Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Jeffers catalog fall 2004 carries the epoxy for hooves page 27 Vettec products Adhere, equi-pac, equi-thane, euqi-build. they have the 20 cc sizes for 12.95 and the larger farrier sizes 180 cc cartridge 24.70 to 29.75. they also carry Mushers Secret to keep feet dry in all weather. Also Fungidye for white line disease. They really have gotten the top products out to the general public. however you do have to have the knowledge to use the products correctly. nope I'm not a salesman.. just get lots of catalogs. Debi Williams
Re: cheap Fjord foals
This message is from: "Ruth Bushnell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > this is a fjord line Only... Bo Fjords > > are we only allowed to talk about pure bred fjords on this line > Sue
Re: cheap Fjord foals
This message is from: "Ruth Bushnell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > this is a fjord line Only ... Bo Fjords > > are we only allowed to talk about pure bred fjords on this line ...Sue ~~~ Having just inadvertently sent a frame with nothing in it, I guess the element of surprise is gone = (apologies) Talking about cross breds and ADVERTISING them are two different things entirely! The Quilter post which had the website advertising cross breds, was at the very least in poor taste, (on a Fjord List) and I didn't like it either! If a lot of you breeders out there would speak up, you'd admit you didn't appreciate it much. The horse market in general is bad and the last thing we need right now is offers of cheap imitations... which are a hazard to the purebred Fjord industry. That particular post was an advertisment for an unprincipled breeder that had probably supplied the PMU industry and is now left holding a surplus because of current restrictions. There are now hundreds of unwanted cross breds! By promoting their despicable practice in this manner, the lady that posted their site is adding to the problem of cross breed proliferation and unethical breeding practices. There is already an e-mail List for Fjord rescues and that would have been a better choice to post these kinds of notices. I hated to comment on this as I know this subject has caused controversary in the past but all it takes for wrong to succeed is silence. When I think of the many Fjord owners who throughout the years have spent thousands and thousands of dollars and spared no efforts in improving and preserving the wonderful Norwegian Fjord horse, only to have their major investments and self sacrifice diluted and cheapened by unprincipled pirates, it makes me sick! You can talk all you want about the cross bred being a darling horse and their life worth as much as a purebred, (but certainly not their net worth) and I can agree with that, but when you start promoting the practice of cross breeding I see red! Ruthie, nw mt
Re: cheap Fjord foals
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 8/4/04 9:24:31 PM Mountain Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This message is from: "BO-FJORDS" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> this is a fjord line Only These are fjord foals, Patty didn't post about quarter horse foals, are we only allowed to talk about pure bred fjords on this line maybe everyone had better show their registration papers before posting?. I have a PMU fjord mare with no papers, am I not allowed to talk about her on this line. This kind of message angers me. Some of us cannot afford to pay the high prices fjords can cost and will do anything possible to own one of these wonderful horses and that includes adopting and saving the lives of PMU mares and foals. Now that off my chest I will go back to lurker land. Sue Sue Clark-Sorger Crown Oak Fjords Sandia Park NM - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 12:43 PM Subject: Re: cheap Fjord foals > This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://members.shaw.ca/sos3/BM_FOALS.htm > > this PMU rescue site has 7/8 Fjords foals for under $600 each, delivered to > several different sites across the US. > Patty
