RE: Barefoot trimming
This message is from: Robin Churchill [EMAIL PROTECTED] My fjords are both barefoot and do well but the ground is very sandy here. The Hanovarian has to have shoes. I have tried a number of times to pull the shoes and I won't bore you with the details but he can't go without them even on the rear. Robin in Florida --- Rose or Murph [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: Rose or Murph [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, I agree. I am not against barefoot trimming, but I have done riding tests with my percheron cross who, does require shoes when being ridden regularly. I pulled his shoes, let his feet toughen up, during the dry months here. I took him out on the rocks and hard ground. I could tell he was not really comfortable on rough ground as he seemed unsure of where he wanted to place his feet. His trot was choppier, and he did not want to canter. I went to the natural balance shoes, and method. His gaits improved, he was not uncomfortable over rocks and hard ground. I think it really depends on each horse, their conformation, how they move, their environment, lots of variables. I also agree that there are a lot of dishonest farriers out there who are expensive, and to boot their bad jokes are less than entertaining. I am lucky to have found one who is honest, and understands the horse. Rosemary in Roy. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of jerrell friz Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2007 10:49 PM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Re: Barefoot trimming This message is from: jerrell friz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi List, I see several posts to the list on barefoot trimming. I would be careful with this.Good farriers are very hard to find, it is hard work,and takes time. Trimming a horses hoof is very easy. 5 minutes of work, and 15 minutes of BS talk. The profit margin in trimming is way more than with a good shoe job.. Poor farriers can specialize in trimming and do very good with little overhead. A healthy horse out in the pasture will wear their hooves just about as fast as they grow, and maybe too fast, depending on their health and nutrition intake. The poor 7/24 stalled horse, will need to be trimmed. [I see a lot of them] You might think that the hooves look great, but your horse doesn't move right, fights the bit, hard to trot, canter, etc. just might be the feet. It is very unfortunate that is takes a life time for some of us to realize this. I like to let my horses go barefoot for only a couple months in the Winter when I can't ride/drive them in the mud. [not this year though] However, if I am doing any work with them they need shoes on all four feet. Reset about every 9 weeks. I want my horses to move in self-carriage, not be limping along. You might think you are saving money by not putting shoes on, but in the long haul it will cost you a lot more. [ if you are NOT using them, if they are just pets, then by all means they should be without shoes.] Again just my 2 cents worth. Regards, Jerry Friz, Anderson,CA. For your security this Message has been checked for Viruses as a courtesy of Com-Pair Services! The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw TV dinner still cooling? Check out Tonight's Picks on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: fjordhorse-digest V2007 #48
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] We are huge Phantom fans, and have stopped the DVD on the two scenes featuring the horse, and we are convinced is a Fjord. Lovely! Same thing with TombRaider, but the horses are on screen for such a short time it's hard to tell. But I thought they were Fjords also! Kate In a message dated 2/25/2007 6:36:43 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In Phantom of the Opera, in the overature scene, just before the spiral staircase of the young ballerinas descending, is the stage-hand horse harnessed to the stage scrim tackle a Fjord that has a very short roached mane? In the Tomb Raider1, when Angelina Jolie is buying sled dogs in Siberia, is that a Fjord or 2 in the pen behind the old man? BRBRBR**BR AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: fjordhorse-digest V2007 #48
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 2/25/07 5:36:43 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: a 16hh gelding and an 11hh 40+ y/o pony. The gelding was always herding that pony and she would squeal in protest, but always go back for more. that sure sounds like my place. oz is away at camp, and at home i have an old, possibly close to 30, rescued 16h QH, and a yearling mini that i got from heike. charlie adopted the mini the day he arrived, and they just love each other. i have seen gizmo walk under charlie, and then scratch his back on charlie's stomach or back legs. charlie will nudge giz along, and sometimes pulls his blanket. yesterday it was funny to watch them standing in the blowing snow with their tails to the wind, tall horse, small horse. charlie has spells during which he seems to lose his balance while he's sleeping standing up. i read in equus about horses doing this who can't lie down, and i am not sure if that's it or if he has neurological damage from a past life. he had one last week..he usually gets off balance 3 times and then snaps out of it. in the middle of it, gizmo nuzzled charlie's forehead as if to ask if he was ok.. as for shoes, i kept oz barefoot a lot, but seems like when he gets someplace where there is gravel, he just can't handle it. i had him shod on site the last time i was at blue earth, and after we brought him home from my old trainer. they had trouble with him acting up on the road, and then he seemed lame when heike came over and rode him, but only on hard surfaces. i had him shod shortly after that and he's been fine. he still has them on where he's boarding due to the frozen ground with no snow (until this weekend!!!). laurie and the equine menagerie ** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: fjordhorse-digest V2007 #48
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 2/25/07 5:36:43 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What is a duck race? We have 200 ducks that sell for $10.00 each. catherine, just so people don't think you are being cruel to ducks, i think you should mention that they are rubber ducks, right? i have real ones and no way would they get out of the water. :) laurie, and the quackers ** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Ducks for the Race
This message is from: Ronni Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ducks? R.Taylor I do hope, and assume - that the ducks for the duck race are the cute yellow rubber kind! In case anyone is interested, in Illinois, near where I used to live, the Visiting Nurse Association for the county is/was supported by the annual duck race on the river. They sell rubber duckies with bar codes on the bottom (at Wendy's and Walmart, etc). Then on a certain day, they dump them from a couple of dump trucks into the river. The flotilla goes a mile down the river, and then in boomed into shore, becoming a single file, and the bar codes on the bottom of the ducks identify the winners. Several years ago, I think the dump was over 200,000 yellow rubber duckies. ($5 each, or 6 for $25 - at the time) They made a flotilla nearly the entire mile of river. National Geographic did an article on it in the 90's. - Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. Check it out. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Ducks, again.
This message is from: Ronni Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Oops! Forgot to tell you - it's the Kaskaskia River Rubber Duckie Race. R.Taylor - Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
RE: Barefoot trimming
This message is from: Gail Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] I pulled his shoes, let his feet toughen up, during the dry months here. I took him out on the rocks and hard ground. I could tell he was not really comfortable on rough ground as he seemed unsure of where he wanted to place his feet On rocky ground, horses may well need boots. Especially if they have not had time to adapt to their barefoot condition. And, there just are times when horses do need some foot protection. But that does not mean it is good for a horse to have shoes on 24/7, and to have his foot trimmed to accommodate a flat iron horseshoe when his feet were meant to wear off at the edges. As my regular farrier has said, all horses should go barefoot because shoeing casts in iron a farrier's mistakes. There is also a concern with shoes that it does not allow the hoof to move normally, which, in turn, causes lack of blood flow to the hoof structures, and potential distortion of the hoof capsule. Using boots to protect the feet is not impossible. There are many endurance champions who use Easy Boots successfully on 100 mile rides. Apparently Clinton Anderson is trying to get a hoof boot made that duplicates the function of reining horse sliders on the back feet. I just recently saw a version of the new EasyBoot Epics that are obviously much easier to put on and off, and require no vetwrapping, etc. And, Easyboots allow you to pad a horse's feet when needed, or add studs or high traction soles for rocky or paved conditions Whether they fit well on all hoof shapes, I do not yet know. The fact that barefoot horses may need boots at times is not a failure of barefoot trimming. It is just a different way of allowing the horse to have a more normal hoof, and still protect the horse's feet when necessary. I see several posts to the list on barefoot trimming. I would be careful with this.Good farriers are very hard to find, it is hard work,and takes time. Trimming a horses hoof is very easy. 5 minutes of work, and 15 minutes of BS talk. There is a difference between paring off the hooves flat, with a hoof knife, and using a rasp or nippers to roll the foot edges to discourage flares and promote a healthy concave sole. The latter takes more time. Rolling the edge, carefully adjusting heel height, and knowing when to remove shedding sole (and no more) takes observation, thought and skill. If you look at www.healthyhoof.com you will see evidence of someone who is taking a careful scientific approach to her work. She could still be wrong in her conclusions, but you cannot accuse her of making easy money by going into barefoot shoeing. Jerrell Friz is correct that a barefoot trimmer can still do damage. Some versions of barefoot trimming apparently do a lot of aggressive sole trimming, which I can see could be dangerous in the long run. It still takes a knowledgeable person to do the trimming. For what it is worth, I hope to convince my regular farrier to learn more about barefoot trimming procedures, in hopes of keeping him on as my farrier. The barefoot trimmer I am working with is not opposed to this plan. For now, she and I are working with two of our eight horses to get a start, and to train me to do most of my own trimming on these two. If that works out well, we will move on to the others. Gail The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
RE: Ducks for the Race
This message is from: Jean Ernest [EMAIL PROTECTED] Here in Fairbanks, Alaska, we have a 10 day Golden Days event in the summer, culminated by a parade and the Rubber duckie Race after the parade. for weeks before the event rubber duckies are for sale: the numbers are sold, for $5.00 and $10:00 with different prize catagories, and the ducks are released at the bridge in town to float down the Chena River to the next bridge, a couple miles down river where a net barrier collects them there are a bunch of prizes, for first, 2nd, 3rd, etc. places, so a lot of chances to win something. It is a fundraiser to support the Golden days events and local non profit organizations. There is usually one or two huge air inflated yellow rubber ducks at places around town selling the duckie chances. Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, looking forward to summer on this very cold but sunny day: -35 degrees. My Fjordis are shedding however! Tons of fur to shed, so no worries about getting cold. From: Ronni Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] I do hope, and assume - that the ducks for the duck race are the cute yellow rubber kind! In case anyone is interested, in Illinois, near where I used to live, the Visiting Nurse Association for the county is/was supported by the annual duck race on the river. They sell rubber duckies with bar codes on the bottom (at Wendy's and Walmart, etc). _ With tax season right around the corner, make sure to follow these few simple tips. http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Taxes/PreparationTips/PreparationTips.aspx?icid=HMFebtagline The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Hoof Boots at Fjord Competitions?
This message is from: Gail Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Does anyone know how they have/would be treated at Fjord shows/evaluations? Gail The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Old Mac boots
This message is from: Beth Pulsifer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Has anyone that is doing the barefooting tried the Old Mac Boots when needed? Beth in Maine where it was sunny and 40 degrees today.. wind made it feel quite a bit cooler though. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
RE: Old Mac boots
This message is from: Gail Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] My neighbors have used some, but they have caused rubs. However, that may have been because they used them in a sandy round pen. I will have to ask about that. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Beth Pulsifer Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2007 12:56 PM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Old Mac boots This message is from: Beth Pulsifer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Has anyone that is doing the barefooting tried the Old Mac Boots when needed? Beth in Maine where it was sunny and 40 degrees today.. wind made it feel quite a bit cooler though. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Old Mac boots
This message is from: Lola Lahr [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yes, that was what I started with years ago when they were just about the only alternative to easy boots. They work really well and are really durable! My horses love them. There are new designs out there though that are worth looking at re: does that shape fit your horse's hoof shape better, etc. The Horse Journal had a review of the various styles last year. I have used Boa boots because they are not so bulky. There is also the Old Mac G2 which a friend of mine uses succesfully on her fjord gelding. The only problem I had with the Boa boots is that when my 1100 lb fjord mare was cantering down the trail, the cable broke and off went the Boa, rolling into the ditch. We retrieved it, and had to finish the gravelly ride bootless, which, at the time, she was a little ouchy about that, but did not come up sore at all. Her feet have grown out so beautifully this winter, and is going bootless on gravel trails with no problem, that I wonder if she will be ouchy under those same conditionsthis summer when it is drier. On 2/25/07, Beth Pulsifer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: Beth Pulsifer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Has anyone that is doing the barefooting tried the Old Mac Boots when needed? Beth in Maine where it was sunny and 40 degrees today.. wind made it feel quite a bit cooler though. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: fjordhorse-digest V2007 #48
This message is from: jgayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] About the 16 hander who seems to have spells. My big Charlie took quite awhile to learn to lock his knees when sleeping standing. The neighborhood was amused when they could see Charlie nodding off as they knew he was about to drop. Kids would gather and then screech when he would fall forward. Being the show off he was during his career, I think he liked the attention. Jean Author 'The Colonel's Daughter Occupied Germany 1946 to 1949 Send: $20 to Three Horse's Press 7403 Blaine Rd Aberdeen, WA 98520 The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Barefoot trimming
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Two of my guys (Fjord and Welsh) go barefoot, and always have. My third (Fjord) wears rubber shoes to help his ringbone (by softening the impact of walking). They are WONDERFUL for him, and if I needed to put shoes on anything else, ever, those would be the only ones I'd use. A bonus is that they're inexpensive, and last a long time. We replaced his last pair after six months, and they weren't even that worn. Here's the website, in case anyone is interested: _http://www.plastichorseshoes.com/_ (http://www.plastichorseshoes.com/) My previous farrier, who was a great natural/barefoot trimmer (sheâs now retired), recommended them to me. Jamie In the Mountains SW of Denver, CO BRBRBR**BR AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Rubber ducks
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] YES. the ducks are rubber and they are decorated with all sorts of themes. We have nurse ducks, army ducks, biker ducks, hippy ducks, Mexican ducks, police ducks and so on. We are only selling 200 of them. They will be dumped at one location on Days Creek and the winners at another location (down stream). We hope to have over 100 prizes all valued over $10.00. So the chance of winning will be 50%. The Spaghetti Feed went well. We have about 30 people for dinner. About $150.00 was raised. Amy Evers won the door prize which was 10 ducks for the duck race. Gordon Thomas picked the winning number 25 and Amy had that ticket. It was great to see so many come out to support the colt's fund. BTW. he is doing better and we hope to bring him home tomorrow. 50/50 tickets, ducks for the duck race and a raffle for 1 ton of hay are all in the works. Contact me directly for more information. Catherine Lassesen Hestehaven - The Horse Garden Bed, Barn, Breakfast Baskets Southern Oregon The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Breeding Contract
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi List ! Been off-line here for awhile, but the results are in on the breeding contract info. I was looking for. Many thanks to everyone who sent one along, or gave me links on finding ones on the net. I looked at many contracts from many breeds. In the endI used parts of several peoples existing contracts to put one together that seems to honor both the stallion owner and the mare owner, as far as any contract can go. Many thanks to Curt Pierce, Peg Knutson, Sara Faull, and esp. Anne Appleby for sending me their already good examples of breeding contracts. I am happy to share what I put together for comments or if anyone wants to glean from it and tailor it to fit their needs. Write me privately if you want a copy ! Lisa Pedersen / Pedersens Fjords * Cedar City, UTAH ** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: barefoot trims and Old Macs
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi All, I've had happier and sounder horses since the barefoot trims. My Fjord mare gets a trim (mainly the hoof walls) every 5-7 weeks, depending on the growth. Fitting her to boots has been difficult, and I've tried Old Mac G2s and the Boas. The original Old Macs are too round. The problem I have is that hairy, thick coronet band makes the boot fit difficult (her feet don't flare from top to bottom at all). So I feel like I need to use a couple of sizes larger than what the size chart would indicate. Mainly I use the boots when driving on really rocky or pavement conditions. Eileen, currently in southern CA, missing my ponies and pooches The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Boot Categories
This message is from: Gail Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] My understanding is that there are boots that derive their staying on power , at least in part, by fitting up over the coronary band. And then there are hoof boots that do not fit up over the coronary band. Boa and Old Macs are the former. Original Easy boots were the latter. However, the EasyBoot Epic has a gaiter that is sort of like a sock, but I believe offers some stabilization as well. Downloading and studying the 23 page EasyCare Inc brochure is helpful. http://www.easycareinc.com/_system/lib/Image/main_pages/downloads/easyboot-b rochure-web.pdf Gail The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: PNFPG 'Fjord News Northwest
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Ursula Brian, The AFHA is putting on a Fjord PlayDay Weekend August 18 19 at Olds. I will have more information later, it will include a show and a clinic along with some social events, Alison Bakken Quoting Ursula Brian Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED]: This message is from: Ursula Brian Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kathy and I are getting the spring newsletter ready for printing and want to remind members to get any articles, pictures, event dates and ads in now. There is limited room left so it is first come first serve for this next issue. Send inclusions to me at the address below. It's too late to mail anything but e-file would be good. Word files and small jpg's are best. Thanks, Ursula I esp. need dates of outings such as parades, shows, exhibits etc that will be including fjords this season. Let me know, I am including a calendar of events. Ursula and Brian Jensen Box 1032 Lumby, B.C. Canada V0E 2G0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.trinityfjords.com The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
