Baling Twine Recycling

2007-10-30 Thread Michele Noonan
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Well in Montana, I think every good outbuilding, horse trailer and fence is
put together with Baling Twine
My old horse trailer was notorious for several pieces being tied together, It
never broke.  You would be AMAZED at what I have used that stuff for. I should
write a book.
BUT,  I do however have a SERIOUS issue with it being left laying around and
my children will tell you, it is a sure fire way to get mom hopping mad and a
big lecture about safety and some grounding (at the least) if I see it
anywhere floating around the property.  It is extremely dangerous when
partially frozen into the ground or eaten.

On another note.  We do have a weanling filly for sale  WHR Fiona.  Sire: WHR
Elsker and Dam: Tone.  We always have a hard time emotionally, selling
anything out of Tone. They are the nicest fillies (yep, all fillies)
1st place Weanling Fillies at Libby,  Sweet and Nicely built.  Does everything
a weanling should.   The 3 year old grandaughter can safely lead her around.
(with supervision of course!)  She stood tied at the trailer for hours at
Libby while her mom was in 7 classes one day. Her price is $2200.00 She will
make a nice show pony and should be very fast like her mom! ( Tone usually
only gets beat by Dusty in fast classes)

We hauled to a local barn today,  We took WHR Elsker and also rode our young
guy Knutsen Fjord's Soren, who is doing awesome at the trainers

I don't ride much.  Mandy, my daughter is the main rider here, however, she
encouraged me to get on Elsker and ride and I did. He was wonderful and It was
great for me to ride someone other than my mare Tone.

It was a great day!

Michele Noonan
Stevensville, Mt

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pictures from the KHP

2007-10-30 Thread Pat Holland

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Robin just sent me a CD with somewhere near 100 pictures and a few video 
clips of the Fjord demonstrations at the Kentucky Horse Park


She got some great pictures of Lauren Chumley, Linda Syverson-Kerr, Kathy 
Johnson and JJ, Marsha Korose,  Emma Schwartz, Kay Van Natta and Mike and 
Susie Sadlon, plus pictures of the facilities and grounds at the park.


If you contact her privatly at [EMAIL PROTECTED]   she might be 
able to send you a copy (if you pay for mailing) or send via email.


Pat Holland 


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Pony Power

2007-10-30 Thread Pat Holland

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Not sure if any of you are following the eventing world but Karen O'Connor 
just took an individual gold at the Pan Am games in Argentina with a 14-1 hd 
PONY. (He is by a Thoroughbred and out of an Arab/Shetland  x mare.)


The Pan Am Games are three star, but according to the article, Karen said 
some of the exercises were four star, as did Phillip Dutton.


There might be photos of this little guy, named Theodore O'Connor aka 
Teddy on www.useventing.com .


Interesting story  -  maybe some day we'll see a Fjord there?

Pat H

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Re: black walnut

2007-10-30 Thread Bonnie

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My vet told me that black walnut leaves are toxic to horses and not to let 
my fjords be in the same pasture with them. Anybody else heard that?

Bonnie MacCurdy
Visalia, CA

- Original Message - 
From: Carol Makosky [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 6:30 PM
Subject: black walnut



This message is from: Carol Makosky [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Hey!!  Don't knock the black walnut tree.  That is the only wood my 
husband will use to make gun stocks out of.  The feathering and patterns 
in the grain from the root area or crotch where a branch was can be breath 
taking once finished.  Plus it costs plenty when finished.  Someone once 
gave me a small bag of cleaned black walnut meat and I still can't find a 
use for it.  Perhaps it is time to feed it to the squirrels.  OK to keep 
this Fjord related, I spent about 3 hrs. driving Heidi today and she said 
that was long enough.


--
Built Fjord Tough
Carol M.
On Golden Pond
N. Wisconsin

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Re: Pony Power

2007-10-30 Thread PamInPalmdale
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You can view a picture of both Karen  Teddy at the oconnor event team 
website.
http://www.oconnoreventteam.com/new/index.html

Pam In Palmdale

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Not sure if any of you are following the eventing world but Karen O'Connor
just took an individual gold at the Pan Am games in Argentina with a 14-1 hd
PONY. (He is by a Thoroughbred and out of an Arab/Shetland  x mare.)


Pat H

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re: 4-legged termite remedies

2007-10-30 Thread Claudia
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Hi,

In regard to the farm-eating Fjords:  I just have one Fjord, who shares the
farm with two old Morgans and a Trakehner.  The only things that in my
experience work for horses are either electricity or solid oak.  Anything else
eventually gets eaten or knocked down by butt-rubbing.

Particle board and plywood are useless with horses of any kind.  I think they
are attracted to the glue mixtures used to bond the layers, etc. They will
chew it up almost immediately.   When we moved here we bought loads of white
oak and put it up with the boards on the inside of the fence, so that even
with rubbing, the boards would stay up.  They can't eat it--it's too hard--so
it stays up. The only disadvantage is that it's hard to put a nail into when
it's green--it's almost mandatory to use a drill.  And when it is dry, it is
like steel and only a compression nailer will go through it.  We have had to
replace the posts from  time to time with treated 4X4's, and eventually those
get eaten unless a hotwire makes fooling around with them uncomfortable.

I don't use hay feeders because it's just another thing to repair after they
wreck it, and it's something to run into and get hurt if they gang up on each
other.  I just feed hay on the ground.  In the barn run-in I feed hay in a
water tank that developed a leak and won't hold water.  It keeps the hay from
blowing around so much, and is light enough that I can dump it out to avoid
having moldy ick in the bottom.  After dumping however, it has to be wired to
a post, because Vergel drags it outside to play with if I don't.

In the winter I board my Trakehner at a big warmblood place with an indoor,
and they have great fences.  They used treated posts and three strands of
electric rope.  The posts are safe because the horses can't chew on them
without getting a shock from the fence.  If someone gets chased into the
fence, it is stretchy so it gives a little and is not dangerous.  The posts
don't have to be as close together as they do for boards, and the fence is
easy to take down if you need to get a hay mower or something into the field.
The rope strands are about the diameter of clothesline, so they aren't
flapping in the wind like that white electric tape, and therefore they don't
stretch out and sag.

Another thing they do there is provide the horses with something it's OK to
chew, like a log with bark on it.  Anyone who has ever put horses in a pasture
with nice trees knows what happens to the trees in short order.  Knowing this,
the owners  periodically dump a log in each pasture, with the bark still on.
The horses chew on it like a dog will chew on a rawhide bone, and consequently
are not chewing on things they shouldn't be.  They put a log in each pasture
maybe two or three times a year.  One log will keep the horses chewing on it
for a long, long time.  Critics will say the bark isn't good for them, but
eating particle board and plywood isn't any better, so at least they aren't
dismantling the paddocks when they have a log chewie.

Fortunately I don't seem to have the chewing problems at home that I read
about on the List, but if they started, the first thing I would try is a log
with bark.  Hope this helps.

Claudia from Wisconsin where it has been sunny and in the mid 60's recently!
:)

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Childs lead line fjord wanted

2007-10-30 Thread highlandcottage2
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Hi All,

I have a friend that is looking for a older 16 to 24 years old, in good health, 
gelding that would be good as a steady lead line pony for her young daughter.
So if you can email me with what you have for sale out there I would appreciate 
it.


Shari? :O)





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RE: Baling Twine Recycling

2007-10-30 Thread Jeanne
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I love this topic of hay twine recycling.  How true it is!  We have an old
bit hanging in the barn alley, which has become our twine holder.  Got twine
in the tack room, horse trailer, lots of it on hand.  

We use it for hanging water buckets at shows.  Another great use is for
tying horses to hitching rails or horsetrailers, who might have tendencies
to dangerously fly back (of course I'm not talking about fjord horses)  ;-)
We use a single strand of hay twine, to loop the lead ropes through... if
they want to pull... they'll at least 'feel' the twine, and if they feel the
need to fly back 90mph... at least they won't break their necks, only the
hay twine.  We use it on our cross-ties, as well, to keep the barn in tact,
if the horse (still not speaking about fjords!) decides they 'need to
leave'.  

My kids have even braided hay twine together to make little ropes, to use as
ties in the barn.  

Jeanne
 - Berthoud, CO ~ Fall is officially here and my ponies are fuzzy and FAT.

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FOR SALE ITEMS

2007-10-30 Thread jerrell friz
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Hello List,

All the sale items have sold,
Bells
Saddle pad
Clippers.

Many inquires
Thanks to everyone,More to add later, still cleaning the tack room.


Regards,
Jerry Friz,
Anderson,Ca.



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RE: black walnut

2007-10-30 Thread Gail Russell
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Our black walnuts fall near a road.  The crows pick them up, sit on the
power line and drop them...trying to get them to crack.  What actually
happens is they land on the road, people drive over them, and the crows eat
them.  I enjoy aiming for them (near the side of the road) and watching the
crows flock down in my rear view mirror to get them.

Much better sport than taking them to the landfill.

Gail

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Opinions Needed! College Paper Topic on Fjords!!

2007-10-30 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi everyone!

I am currently a student at Murray State University in Murray Kentucky, and in 
my English Composition 
class, it has been assigned to write an argument paper on a controversial 
issue.  I spoke to my professor, 
and I have chosen to not write on a major issue discussed in the popular media, 
instead (and it was 
approved) I have chosen the topic: 
Whether or not Norwegian Fjords Horses with white markings should be bred

So, being that there is such a variety of fjord owners, breeders, trainers, 
judges and so forth on the 
digest, it will then be virtually my primary source. So I need opinions and any 
helpful information you 
might have on the issue. Such as:
For statistical purposes: roughly how many fjords with white markings have you 
encountered (no names 
needed, just numbers)?
Simply your overall opinion (ANY information will be helpful)
Any knowledge on genetics and how this trait developed.
If allowed, should there be a limit (ex: white spot on head should be no larger 
than 1 inch in diameter)?
Should the marking be taken into consideration in evaluations and halter show 
classes on conformation?
And really anything else that you can think of.  My professor does realize that 
we are limited on printed 
resources, being that it is not debated on the major media, therefore your 
opinions are very very 
important and I truly appreciate anything that you have to share!

Thank you all, hope to hear from you and take care!

Robin L Holland
8521 Springer Hall
Murray KY 42071
815-858-4042

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Check out these Fjord cross pmu babies needing homes

2007-10-30 Thread MorrisShadowMT
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The site is _www.theandimalifarm.com_ (http://www.theandimalifarm.com) 
very cute foals and mares needing homes.Very reasonable  adoption fees.   
They also cover transport.
 
 
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RE: black walnut

2007-10-30 Thread Cherie Mascis
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My vet told me that black walnut leaves are toxic to horses and not to let
my fjords be in the same pasture with them. Anybody else heard that?
Bonnie MacCurdy
Visalia, CA

As far as I know, (I may be wrong but I've worked for a number of Vets), the
black walnut toxin juglone is not in the leaves but is found in the bark,
wood, nuts, and roots. Horses are primarily affected when exposed to
shavings.

Cherie

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Re: Check out these Fjord cross pmu babies needing homes

2007-10-30 Thread Jean Ernest

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The link is wrong, should be  http://www.theanimalifarm

At 02:21 PM 10/30/2007, you wrote:

This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

The site is _www.theandimalifarm.com_ (http://www.theandimalifarm.com)
very cute foals and mares needing homes.Very reasonable  adoption fees.
They also cover transport.


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Re: black walnut

2007-10-30 Thread Robin Churchill
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Black walnut sawdust or shavings can cause laminitis
in horses but I don't know about the leaves.

Robin in Florida
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 My vet told me that black walnut leaves are toxic to
 horses and not to let 
 my fjords be in the same pasture with them. Anybody
 else heard that?
 Bonnie MacCurdy
 Visalia, CA
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Carol Makosky [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com
 Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 6:30 PM
 Subject: black walnut
 
 
  This message is from: Carol Makosky
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
  Hey!!  Don't knock the black walnut tree.  That is
 the only wood my 
  husband will use to make gun stocks out of.  The
 feathering and patterns 
  in the grain from the root area or crotch where a
 branch was can be breath 
  taking once finished.  Plus it costs plenty when
 finished.  Someone once 
  gave me a small bag of cleaned black walnut meat
 and I still can't find a 
  use for it.  Perhaps it is time to feed it to the
 squirrels.  OK to keep 
  this Fjord related, I spent about 3 hrs. driving
 Heidi today and she said 
  that was long enough.
 
  -- 
  Built Fjord Tough
  Carol M.
  On Golden Pond
  N. Wisconsin
 
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RE: Check out these Fjord cross pmu babies needing homes

2007-10-30 Thread Frederick J Pack
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Both wrong...
http://www.theanimalfarm.com 

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Fred and Lois Pack
Pack's Peak Stables
Wilkeson, Washington  98396 
 
   
  

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Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 4:13 PM
To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com
Subject: Re: Check out these Fjord cross pmu babies needing homes

This message is from: Jean Ernest [EMAIL PROTECTED]

The link is wrong, should be  http://www.theanimalifarm

At 02:21 PM 10/30/2007, you wrote:
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

The site is _www.theandimalifarm.com_ (http://www.theandimalifarm.com)
very cute foals and mares needing homes.Very reasonable  adoption fees.
They also cover transport.

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single driving

2007-10-30 Thread donna mcgeein
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Hello, I have an 11 yr old gelding that has been hooked to a cart a few times.
I am in a situation now where I have ground to drive him on so I am seeking a
farm wagon and a collar harness. I live in Corvallis , Oregon. My horse is
Bro. I had considered selling him when I was in MT but I kept him and we
relocated. I need advice as well as equipment and tack if anyone can
help.Someone local suggested the ruralheritage web page. Thanks, Donna
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Donna Mcgeein

2007-10-30 Thread emperry
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Donna,
   Hi!  I might have a farm wagon that would work for you.  Email me,
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Eileen Perry

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Re: Check out these Fjord cross pmu babies needing homes

2007-10-30 Thread Melinda Schumacher
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Uhhh.I think it's really this one!
http://www.theanimalifarm.com/

Mel in Marengo :)

On 10/30/07, Frederick J Pack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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 Both wrong...
 http://www.theanimalfarm.com

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 Pack's Peak Stables
 Wilkeson, Washington  98396




 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com
 Subject: Re: Check out these Fjord cross pmu babies needing homes

 This message is from: Jean Ernest [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 The link is wrong, should be  http://www.theanimalifarm

 At 02:21 PM 10/30/2007, you wrote:
 This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 The site is _www.theandimalifarm.com_ (http://www.theandimalifarm.com)
 very cute foals and mares needing homes.Very reasonable  adoption
 fees.
 They also cover transport.

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As she knotted the reins and took her stand, the horse's soul came into her
hand, and up from the mouth that held the steel came an innermost word, half
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RE: Check out these Fjord cross pmu babies needing homes

2007-10-30 Thread Frederick J Pack
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TA DA!
You got it for us

Thanks from all of us...

Fred


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Subject: Re: Check out these Fjord cross pmu babies needing homes

This message is from: Melinda Schumacher [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Uhhh.I think it's really this one!
http://www.theanimalifarm.com/

Mel in Marengo :)

On 10/30/07, Frederick J Pack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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 Both wrong...
 http://www.theanimalfarm.com

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 Wilkeson, Washington  98396




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 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jean Ernest
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 Subject: Re: Check out these Fjord cross pmu babies needing homes

 This message is from: Jean Ernest [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 The link is wrong, should be  http://www.theanimalifarm

 At 02:21 PM 10/30/2007, you wrote:
 This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 The site is _www.theandimalifarm.com_ (http://www.theandimalifarm.com)
 very cute foals and mares needing homes.Very reasonable  adoption
 fees.
 They also cover transport.

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As she knotted the reins and took her stand, the horse's soul came into her
hand, and up from the mouth that held the steel came an innermost word, half
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My first time driving our Fjord

2007-10-30 Thread Eric Kozowski
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Follow the link to read about my first time driving our Fjord:

http://kozowski.com/FjordHorse/YaBB.pl?num=1193795864/0

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Re: black walnut

2007-10-30 Thread Warren Stockwell
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Yup I know a horse that got severely sick and ended up at the U of M. The
pasture was lined with them, They got torn out!

Roberta
MN
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Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 7:54 AM
Subject: Re: black walnut


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 My vet told me that black walnut leaves are toxic to horses and not to let
 my fjords be in the same pasture with them. Anybody else heard that?
 Bonnie MacCurdy
 Visalia, CA

 - Original Message - 
 From: Carol Makosky [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com
 Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 6:30 PM
 Subject: black walnut


  This message is from: Carol Makosky [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
  Hey!!  Don't knock the black walnut tree.  That is the only wood my
  husband will use to make gun stocks out of.  The feathering and patterns
  in the grain from the root area or crotch where a branch was can be
breath
  taking once finished.  Plus it costs plenty when finished.  Someone once
  gave me a small bag of cleaned black walnut meat and I still can't find
a
  use for it.  Perhaps it is time to feed it to the squirrels.  OK to keep
  this Fjord related, I spent about 3 hrs. driving Heidi today and she
said
  that was long enough.
 
  -- 
  Built Fjord Tough
  Carol M.
  On Golden Pond
  N. Wisconsin
 
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Re: Pony Power

2007-10-30 Thread Dianne White
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There was a small article about him in the October issue of EQUUS. They called 
him the Bionic Pony. The entire article was called SIZE Matters; Why bigger 
isn't better for health, performance and longevity. So maybe we could see a 
Fjord in the games in the future.
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Rescue ??? no way

2007-10-30 Thread Pedfjords
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Not picking on the original poster, but I have done some homework here.

 These Fjord foals are for sale. Yesthey are being marketed by a rescue 
group. They have been marketed by this and other rescue groups 
( pmurescue.org )  ect. comming from the same BREEDER, who, even after 
detailing on their own ranch's webpage as being out of the  Equine Industry   
 for 
going on 4 years now, are still breeding and breeding and breeding and 
breeding many Fjord, Fjord cross's, Drafts, Canadians * bred to Fjord stallions 
ect. 
ect. ect.  Check out the BREEDERS web page 
 www.ourbluemoonranch.com and you can see their mares, stallions including 
registered Canadian Fjord studs  Marvin  and  40  along with the same bred 
Fjord foals, now  $2,000.  ( Canadian Fjord registry currently allows cross 
breeding Fjords, just FYI, nothing fishy there )

 In my always not so humble opinion, the RESCUE INDUSTRY is going strong. A 
few years ago when Wyeth had contracts with all now but a few Manitoba PMU 
ranchs, and allowed their breeders to place rescue foals with rescue groups to 
avoid the babies resulting from the breeding of mares for the Premerin lines 
going to the canners, there were legit rescues. Now ???

 Dealing with BREEDERS who insist on re-breeding their Premerin line mares 
over and over, than selling foals through  rescue  groups is just HELPING 
CREATE THE MARKET FOR UNWANTED, GLUT FOALS of every type.  

 Here are a few brain teaser's for you. 

Why are these foals being advertised as PMU rescues, when the breeders have 
not had contracts going on 4 years now ?

Why, if the ranch's are in such DIRE straights, are they breeding the same 
Fjord stallions, Marvin and 40, to both Fjord mares, also being advertised as 
rescues, as well as cross breeding these Fjord stallions to Belgians, Canadians 
ect. year after year ? * check out their webpage carefully. On the Animali 
site, they have listed to go to CA. on  upcoming shippments  
BM Stacy07
BM Jannie07
BM Ace07
BM Gwen07
BM April07
and BM Joanie07all Fjord foals.BM, meaning Blue Moon Ranch. 
you will see these ad's next year I predict. Their mares are all advertised 
as being bred back.   Rescues ???

 I predict that if the US rescues continue to do business and accept Fjord 
foals and others from these same breeders, you will see the same pleas for 
 RESCUE  foals next year...and the next year...and the next. 

 Hey Im all for breeding and selling quality Fjords. Sold 4 and have one 
other out on a try out in the last 6 months, BUT, do your homework and as 
always, 
buyer beware of encouraging another horse industry thats directly related to 
those poor Belgian's in that roll over wreck, headed from sale to sale a few 
days ago. Im betting that they were  no sale'd  at Shipshawana auction or 
elsewhere and actually headed for Canada to slaughter. 
also.with the US sending its glut of unwanted horses now across the 
Mexican and Canadian borders, ( at last report to gain .50 a lb ) why dont we 
RESCUE some of our OWN US horses and save them the trip. 

   Lisa
 



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Holloween Fjordies

2007-10-30 Thread MorrisShadowMT
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How many Fjords are going trick or treating this year? And do any of you 
have an special costumes?
 
We go out every year thru the neighborhoods and hand out candy with the  
Fjords.  This year we have a following of over 50 that are showing up just  to 
go 
out with the horses.   Costumes that we have used in the past  have ranged 
from clown suits, masked marauders dragging dead bodies,  to  angels and 
fairy's. 
  Of course the Fjords always want to know what is  in all the bags   
Once we get out into the neighborhoods we get  all the kids following us, they 
seem to forget their pursuits of candy.   Horses (the mo-hawk dudes are much 
cooler:0)
 
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Re: Rescue ??? no way

2007-10-30 Thread Melinda Schumacher
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I am inclined to agree with you.  I have seen these same ads in years past,
as well, and yes, the mares have all been exposed to a stallion once again
this spring/summer.  Gee.  All rescue cats and dogs are spayed/neutered, no
doubt about it.

I was also noting that their prices are higher than a lot of horses on
equine.com that are purebred and selectively bred and come from family homes
where they have apparently been well loved and cared fornot used as a
machine.  Did you notice the hooves on some of these mares?!!!

Melinda



On 10/31/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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 Not picking on the original poster, but I have done some homework here.

 These Fjord foals are for sale. Yesthey are being marketed by a rescue
 group. They have been marketed by this and other rescue groups
 ( pmurescue.org )  ect. comming from the same BREEDER, who, even after
 detailing on their own ranch's webpage as being out of the  Equine
 Industryfor
 going on 4 years now, are still breeding and breeding and breeding and
 breeding many Fjord, Fjord cross's, Drafts, Canadians * bred to Fjord
 stallions ect.
 ect. ect.  Check out the BREEDERS web page
  www.ourbluemoonranch.com and you can see their mares, stallions
 including
 registered Canadian Fjord studs  Marvin  and  40  along with the same
 bred
 Fjord foals, now  $2,000.  ( Canadian Fjord registry currently allows
 cross
 breeding Fjords, just FYI, nothing fishy there )

 In my always not so humble opinion, the RESCUE INDUSTRY is going strong. A
 few years ago when Wyeth had contracts with all now but a few Manitoba PMU
 ranchs, and allowed their breeders to place rescue foals with rescue
 groups to
 avoid the babies resulting from the breeding of mares for the Premerin
 lines
 going to the canners, there were legit rescues. Now ???

 Dealing with BREEDERS who insist on re-breeding their Premerin line mares
 over and over, than selling foals through  rescue  groups is just
 HELPING
 CREATE THE MARKET FOR UNWANTED, GLUT FOALS of every type.

 Here are a few brain teaser's for you.

 Why are these foals being advertised as PMU rescues, when the breeders
 have
 not had contracts going on 4 years now ?

 Why, if the ranch's are in such DIRE straights, are they breeding the same
 Fjord stallions, Marvin and 40, to both Fjord mares, also being advertised
 as
 rescues, as well as cross breeding these Fjord stallions to Belgians,
 Canadians
 ect. year after year ? * check out their webpage carefully. On the Animali
 site, they have listed to go to CA. on  upcoming shippments 
 BM Stacy07
 BM Jannie07
 BM Ace07
 BM Gwen07
 BM April07
 and BM Joanie07all Fjord foals.BM, meaning Blue Moon
 Ranch.
 you will see these ad's next year I predict. Their mares are all
 advertised
 as being bred back.   Rescues ???

 I predict that if the US rescues continue to do business and accept Fjord
 foals and others from these same breeders, you will see the same pleas for
  RESCUE  foals next year...and the next year...and the next.

 Hey Im all for breeding and selling quality Fjords. Sold 4 and have one
 other out on a try out in the last 6 months, BUT, do your homework and as
 always,
 buyer beware of encouraging another horse industry thats directly related
 to
 those poor Belgian's in that roll over wreck, headed from sale to sale a
 few
 days ago. Im betting that they were  no sale'd  at Shipshawana auction
 or
 elsewhere and actually headed for Canada to slaughter.
 also.with the US sending its glut of unwanted horses now across the
 Mexican and Canadian borders, ( at last report to gain .50 a lb ) why dont
 we
 RESCUE some of our OWN US horses and save them the trip.

Lisa




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RE: Check out these Fjord cross pmu babies needing homes

2007-10-30 Thread Jean Ernest

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No Fred, it IS the Animali Farm!  Check it out!

Jean

At 03:44 PM 10/30/2007, you wrote:

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Both wrong...
http://www.theanimalfarm.com


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Re: Check out these Fjord cross pmu babies needing homes

2007-10-30 Thread MorrisShadowMT
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As it turns out you both are right, both sites talk about pmu babies.   Being 
that I am the writer of the original post  it is _www.theanimalifarm.com_ 
(http://www.theanimalifarm.com)   Not sure which side of the stubborn 
crosswalk you guys belong to:0)  It is  always an adventure posting on here.   
 
 
Only for the love of Fjords
 
Bonnie:0)))



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Re: Rescue ??? no way

2007-10-30 Thread PamInPalmdale
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One reason their prices are high, they include Coggins, Border fees and 
transportation up to 2000 miles.

Pam In Palmdale

- Original Message - 
From: Melinda Schumacher [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 9:30 PM
Subject: Re: Rescue ??? no way


This message is from: Melinda Schumacher [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I am inclined to agree with you.  I have seen these same ads in years past,
as well, and yes, the mares have all been exposed to a stallion once again
this spring/summer.  Gee.  All rescue cats and dogs are spayed/neutered, no
doubt about it.

I was also noting that their prices are higher than a lot of horses on
equine.com that are purebred and selectively bred and come from family homes
where they have apparently been well loved and cared fornot used as a
machine.  Did you notice the hooves on some of these mares?!!!

Melinda

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