Re: Fjord prices...
This message is from: sini seppala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hello Dagrun and all, I'll make a list of average prices in Finland. There are no recommendations set by the breed association so these are what I've seen they've been of late: Stallion / gelding 1 year 1 Fmk /$1540 Mare 1 year 12000 Fmk / $1850 Gelding, 5-12 yrs, well driven and / or ridden 16000-18000 Fmk /$2460-2770 Mare, 5-12 yrs, well driven and / or ridden 2-25000 Fmk /$3080-3850 Stallion, prices vary beginning from 35000 Fmk /$5390 The price also depends on bloodlines. Danish and Swedish lines are a little less expensive than Norwegian. Best wishes Sini. home page at http://www.saunalahti.fi/~partoy/Juhola6.html These were the Swedish prices Dagrun had: > Stallion/gelding 1 year $700, mare 1 year $900 > Stallion/gelding 2 years $1000, mare 2 years $1200 > 5-6 year old fjords, well driven and/or ridden and working in correct form: > $2000 - 3000
Weaning, pain
This message is from: sini seppala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I should have written "They are usually still mentally childish until they're five or six *years* old, even older." thanks Sini.
Weaning, pain relief after operation
This message is from: sini seppala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > In nature, when are horses weaned? Several persons have studied wild and semi-wild herds in North America and Europe (camargues and przewalskis in semi-wild circumstances or after being returned to nature in Mongolia). A foal stays with her dam for at least one, often two or three years. Even if the dam has a new foal, the previous one usually stays around and sometimes even keeps suckling. Weaning earlier than what is natural is common and the consequences may not show until later. One of the risks is causing the foal a permanent, basic feeling of insecurity and mistrust towards people. This is expressed in various outlets that are called problems or vices. One of the mildest form is that the horse will fear being away from other horses for work (he knows from experience his buddies may disappear like happened back then when he was weaned although he was not ready to be on hiw own), which may lead to his being reluctant to get caught and go to work. He generally trusts people's intentions very little and is not able to concentrate properly. However, horses are often incredibly flexible and may eventually learn to live with this kind of traumas just as we humans learn to live with them: we automatically tie our horses as they might otherwise run back to their herd, we always stay alert as it's never completely secure to ride or drive a horse who'd rather be back home checking on his friends at least if something scares him. Or we buy severe bits to make sure we'll be able to control him as we know he will not trust us enough to stay there and wait for us to solve the problem, when something scary happens. If weaned early, many find the best way is to do it gradually, individually and over a period of months. If the foal still has access to his dam (but may not be able to suckle) and both know where the other is at all times, and both have other friends around and something nice and relaxing to do, it may go well even if the foal is young. However, they are usually still mentally childish until they're five or six, even older. As for gelding colts: please make sure he's given proper medication for pain for days after the operation. As horses are prey animals they don't show their pain - if they acted any different from the rest of the herd, they would draw the predator's attention. Horses don't scream like many other animals in pain and they don't even limp until they have no other choice. Quite the contrary, as also the British vet Sara Wyche says in September issue of Horse & Rider, "Amazing though it may sound, horses can pull some incredible feats of agility out of the bag when it matters most - and sometimes in spite of underlying problems, which could render them lame. Superficially, the horse's instinct is to put on a convincing show of soundness, because it's all part of his survival code - lame horses attract predators." When a horse finally starts limping or refuses to move under pressure due to pain, he's most likely been in pain for a long time. This has also been proved through blood testing, looking for for example stress hormones that indicate pain. Horses' sense of pain is very well developed: the ones that didn't care about the predator's claws on their skin lost their lives and disappeared from the chain of evolution. The most sensitive lived and passed their sensitive genes on to their offspring. If you think about how you feel after an operation - the horse will feel at least as much pain. Sorry this is so long.. Best wishes Sini.
Re: 9-11-2001
This message is from: sini seppala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Dear friends, here's an update on Europe: You may like to know that there will be three minutes of silence everywhere in the European Union today, that is in almost every European country. (And probably in those, as well, that are not actual members of the union.) This is a national and international day of prayers and support for the Americans. The moment of silence will begin at 1 pm Finnish time (= 6 a.m. in New York). Churches have been kept open since the beginning of this tragedy here in Finland so people can seek comfort. About 200 American tourists as well as 800 Finnish persons went to one of these churches during the first hours. Thousands and thousands of candles have been lit and flowers brought to the gates of American Embassies everywhere. I just saw a photo of a little boy adding roses to a huge pile of flowers in front of the American Embassy in Moscow. Best wishes Sini in Finland. homepage at http://www.saunalahti.fi/~partoy/Juhola6.html sini seppala wrote: > Dear friends, > please accept our condolences. We share the huge sadness of this tragedy > and all Europe is as traumatised as your nation. We have been > following the news all the time since yesterday morning. > > There will be a moment of silence at every Finnish workplace and school > tomorrow. Take care of each other and please know that we're with you. > Sini in Finland. > home page at http://www.saunalahti.fi/~partoy/Juhola6.html
On celebrations, was Keep Praying
This message is from: sini seppala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sanders wrote: > I am also praying for > forgiveness for those people in other countries who celebrated our loss. > Thank you, > Teresa Hi Teresa, according to the media over here in Finland and our correspondents in various Arabic countries, those celebrations have been carried out by only a very small number of people. It looks bigger than it is as it's so tragic it's been shown on tv a lot. Best wishes Sini in Finland. homepage at at http://www.saunalahti.fi/~partoy/Juhola6.html
Re: 9-11-2001
This message is from: sini seppala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Dear friends, please accept our condolences. We share the huge sadness of this tragedy and all the Europe is as traumatised as your nation. We have been following the news all the time since yesterday morning. There will be a moment of silence at every Finnish workplace and school tomorrow. Take care of each other and please know that we're with you. Sini in Finland. home page at http://www.saunalahti.fi/~partoy/Juhola6.html
Oops - Bug Free
This message is from: sini seppala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sorry, APPLE vinegar is what we use, haven't tried other sorts. Sini. sini seppala wrote: > Hi Betty and all, > we sometimes mix vinegar and garlic mash and apply it on the horses. > Smells impressive, works fine, and no chemicals get absorbed into their > skin and system. > Best regards :) > Sini in Finland. home page at http://www.saunalahti.fi/~partoy/Juhola6.html > > Betty Quinlan wrote: > > I found some articles regarding home made fly solutions. One suggestion > > which apparently works is to put 1/4 cup of apple cider vinegar in the horse > > feed. Garlic also works in the feed.f
Re: Bug Free
This message is from: sini seppala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Betty and all, we sometimes mix vinegar and garlic mash and apply it on the horses. Smells impressive, works fine, and no chemicals get absorbed into their skin and system. Best regards :) Sini in Finland. home page at http://www.saunalahti.fi/~partoy/Juhola6.html Betty Quinlan wrote: > I found some articles regarding home made fly solutions. One suggestion > which apparently works is to put 1/4 cup of apple cider vinegar in the horse > feed. Garlic also works in the feed.f
Re: relay race
This message is from: sini seppala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > We need a new kind of relay race. First you put a little pile of hay at one > end that > must be consumed before you go to the next, and then a little pile of hay at > the other end. This reminds me of a video representing an arab stable. One mare after another were let into a small paddock and there were huge flower arrangements in the middle - but every one of the horses just trotted around looking calm and noble so the audience could admire them. What do you think they would have done if they had happened to be Fjords? :) Sini in Finland. home page at http://www.saunalahti.fi/~partoy/Juhola6.html
Re:breeding & developement
This message is from: sini seppala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > breed 2 & 3 yr fillys "because they are big" This reminded me of asking if anyone has written it all down: when different phases of the developement of a horse's back happen. Many Fjords get taller until they are about eight - what happens where in the back and the legs and when, about exactly? What about other original type of breeds like arabs? Another thing: what are your experiences in training a horse on a lunge line? Have heard of several cases where it supposedly resulted in permanent changes in the bones of the legs of young horses. Many of them developed excess bone tissue on their front knees or got lame for some time. The bent, leaning position is not very natural and is tough on their young tissues in the long term. Vets? Do you see results of this in your work a lot? What about horses that have been ridden regularly or bred early - even when they have been as old as three which is still a very vulnerable age? Do many of the horses with for example swayed backs belong to that group? Thank you Sini in Finland. home page at http://www.saunalahti.fi/~partoy/Juhola6.html
Re:Fjord size
This message is from: sini seppala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > but they didn't have the space > like we do here. Pastures are usually fairly big in Scandinavia because there is generally a lot of space in most of these countries. There are only 5 million people in for example Finland and the size of the country is about twice the size of e.g. Great Britain. Horses seem to be getting bigger over here, too, compared to what they were like 100 years ago. Also people are getting taller. People often want riding horses that match their own size. Find it interesting that actually smaller horses were preferred in the past at least for some purposes. There are plenty of old drawings and photos showing dressage horses doing high school and other riding / driving horses that look fairly small compared to their people. Perhaps Anneli can provide us with some more info or links on this subject? Some trainers even say today that the trend to breed huge horses for average sized people is not always a good idea. A rider will have more influence on a smaller horse and can have a more subtle style of riding (by for example using his seat a lot) and a lighter, more rewarding way of communication for both. Perhaps food for thought for us Fjord promoters - even in this light, Fjords can basically be for everybody, also tall people.:) Best wishes Sini in Finland. home page at http://www.saunalahti.fi/~partoy/Juhola6.html
Re:Socialist Fjords & freedom
This message is from: sini seppala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Well said Anneli. The same applies to Finland and all the Nordic / Scandinavian countries as well most European countries. Except that some of them don't have a king but a president, so they are called republics. Those remaining kings or queens don't have political power but mainly PR influence. It was not so long ago when many foreigners thought everybody in Finland speaks Russian or that there are Russian soldiers and bases over here. No, and there are no polar bears walking in the streets, either. One thing about stallions: at least over here there is no law that says you cannot use any stallion you want. However, if you choose a non-approved stallion, the foal will not be registered. Non-approved means the stallion has not been evaluated and approved by an organisation which promotes and supports good horse breeding. Best regards Sini in Finland. home page at http://www.saunalahti.fi/~partoy/Juhola6.html Anneli Sundkvist wrote: > Norway is NOT a socialist country. Neither is Sweden and still I've been > asked several times (not on this list) what it is like to live in one. And we > consider us just as "free" as you Americans!
Re:age
This message is from: sini seppala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Greetings! I'll be 34 in July and Pauli is 45. best regards Sini in Finland. home page at http://www.saunalahti.fi/~partoy/Juhola6.html
Hi everybody
This message is from: sini seppala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I'm sorry I somehow managed to send the whole list the message I thought I was sending to Linda in Minnesota this morning. This is what I was hoping I was sending all of you on the list: a very merry Christmas and a happy new Fjord year! from all of us at Juhola. (Will put up some winter pictures at our website tomorrow (Dec. the 25th). Sini in Finland. home page at http://www.saunalahti.fi/~partoy/Juhola6.html
Linda,
This message is from: sini seppala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> many happy Christmas wishes to all of you from all of us! And thank you for all the goat info. Will write you soon more. Take care, Sini. _ The simple way to read all your emails at ThatWeb http://www.thatweb.com
Top stallion for sale
This message is from: sini seppala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hello all, now there's a picture of Säthersblakken at our website. Säthersblakken was born in Norway in 1991 and sired 80 foals over there. As the number was that big he was then sold abroad and came to Tarmo Puranen in Finland two years ago. All of his offspring shown for example last year in Norway were approved. Säthersblakken is completely healthy, his legs have been x-rayed and are flawless and he's trained to both drive and ride. He has pulled logs in Norway and done carriage driving in Finland as his present owner Tarmo Puranen is a member of the Finnish driving team. Säthersblakken is also a natural, willing jumper and has competed in both show jumping and dressage. Email me for more info and photos as well as a video - Tarmo doesn't have an email address yet. Thank you & best wishes Sini in Finland. home page at http://www.saunalahti.fi/~partoy/Juhola6.html
Re: cannon bone measurement
This message is from: sini seppala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Mary Thurman wrote: > Line, has a cannon bone > measurement of 9.5 inches(24cm). > I > remember him coming back to her pen to take the > measurement himself, since he though maybe there was > some mistake :-) Mary says Line is considered draft style. Glitne in Finland I mentioned is not heavy, though, and competes in both dressage, show jumping and carriage driving. So a modern conformation doesn't always have to mean the legs must be light. Glitne is not quite as modern in conformation, though, as some other stallions over here (whose cannon bones are also thinner). Will try and get some pictures of both Glitne and at least Säthersblakken, the stallion who is for sale, for those of you who are interested to see them. Will email you privately. Best wishes Sini in Finland. home page at http://www.saunalahti.fi/~partoy/Juhola6.html
Re: measuring and a stud for sale
This message is from: sini seppala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Just sent off the post about Glitne's cannon bone and then checked with the owner Tarmo Puranen: it's even bigger than I remembered: 23,5 cm. Tarmo is not on this list but wanted to send you all greetings from Finland and also mentioned one of his stallions is for sale. Säthersblakken was born in Norway and is licensed both in Norway and Finland. He's sired a lot of gorgeous foals in Norway before coming to Finland three years ago. To my understanding he had had such a succesful career (=a big number of foals) in Norway that was the reason the Norwegians wanted to send him further to another country. You can email me if you're interested as Tarmo doesn't have an email address. Thank you Sini. home page at http://www.saunalahti.fi/~partoy/Juhola6.html
Re: measuring the cannon bone
This message is from: sini seppala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Glitne's (one of the Fjord stallions in Finland) is 23 cm. To my knowledge that's the biggest in at least all of Scandinavia. Here it's usually considered very desirable that a Fjord has as large a cannon bone as possible as it often means the legs are also strong and Fjord-typey. Isn't an inch the same as 2.49 cm, by the way? I could be wrong, though. Have a good weekend all Sini in Finland. home page at http://www.saunalahti.fi/~partoy/Juhola6.html Lori Albrough wrote: > Here are the cannon bone measurements of some of the Dutch stallions (1 inch > = 2.54 cm):
Re: Prayers and good thoughts needed
This message is from: sini seppala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Julie, > You have ours! > Beth Ours too. All the best to you Sini home page at http://www.saunalahti.fi/~partoy/Juhola6.html
Still on white duns:
This message is from: sini seppala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> forgot to mention that there were no yellow duns at all among those stallions at any time. There were some mares, not one during 1860-79 but 0,2-0,6 % after that. So what are those other colors then as it doesn't mean yellow duns? The writer of this article in the Finnish Fjord leaflet says Norwegian breeders want to have horses of all FIVE colors these days althou red duns were not as well liked as the other variants in the past. The writer also says the lighter version of brown duns (the one which is still the most common) has been the most popular for a long time already. The text also says especially older Fjords may have a color which is hard to define as it changes from season to season. They may look like white duns when they have a short coat and like brown duns in the winter. People also said Solkungen 882 (a certain stallion) was a brown dun and quite rightly so - although, according to his genes, he was a white dun. Go figure. When he bred brown dun mares the foals were often white duns. It also says here 'white duns got a bad reputation as, at some point people didn't know enough about how colors are passed on, and it's said a lot of white duns were bred to white duns which is said to have resulted in white foals with albino eyes.' Sini.
White dun - the most common Fjord color in the past!
This message is from: sini seppala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hello everybody. Came across some statistics that you might find interesting. Only parts of them were shown in the article I saw in the Finnish Fjord horse leaflet so I there are gaps between the chosen periods and the lenght of the periods vary - I don't know why. This would be easier to show as a statistic but the lines would get mixep up. So: It says here that during the years 1857-79 when 102 Fjord stallions were accepted in Norway, the most common color was white dun (48 % of all) while only 27,4 % of them were brown duns. One of them was a grey dun (1,0 %). No red duns at all were accepted. 23,6 % of the stallions were of other color than any of these. During 1900-09 the total of 179 stallions were accepted and the most common color was brown dun, 65,9 % of all. White duns came second, 19,6 %. Grey dun percentage was 3,4 %. One red dun (0,6 %) was accepted. 10,5 % of the stallions were of other color than any of these. >From 1930-39 the total of 252 stallions were accepted and the most common color was still brown dun, now as many as 89,7 % of them were brown duns. White duns: 8,3 %. Grey duns: 1,6 %. Red duns: 0,4 %. No stallions of other colors were accepted. >From 1960-69 the total of 95 stallions were accepted. Brown duns: 95,8 %. White duns: 0 %. Grey duns: 4,2 %. Red duns: 0 %. No stallions of other colors were accepted. >From 1990-1999 the total of 41 stallions were accepted. Brown duns: 85,4 %. White duns: 2,4 %. Grey duns: 9,8 %. Red duns: 2,4 %. No stallions of other colors were accepted. MARES: 1860-79 the total of 62 mares were accepted: Brown duns: 30,7 %. White duns: 46,8 %. Grey duns: 1,6 %. Red duns: 4,8 %. Other colors: 16,1 %. 1900-09 the total of 512 mares were accepted: Brown duns: 62,7 %. White duns: 20,9 %. Grey duns: 3,7 %. Red duns: 2,9 %. Other colors: 9,6 %. 1930-39 the total of 4363 mares were accepted: Brown duns: 83,6 %. White duns: 9,5 %. Grey duns: 1,7 %. Red duns: 4,2 %. Other colors: 0,5 %. 1965-70 the total of 539 mares were accepted: Brown duns: 90,5 %. White duns: 2,1 %. Grey duns: 1,7 %. Red duns: 4,6 %. Other colors: 0 %. 1980-85 the total of 714 mares were accepted: Brown duns: 88,2 %. White duns: 2,1 %. Grey duns: 3,7 %. Red duns: 5,6 %. Other colors: 0 %. Isn't it fascinating that the majority of Fjords actually used to be white duns during the second half of the 19th century! It would be nice to know why the Norwegian breeders quite suddenly started to favour brown duns, then, or was it a co-incidence. And why were red duns always so rare - is that gene so rare or did people generally find other colors more appealing or something? And what are those 'other colors' when as many as 23 % of the stallions were of other colors 1857-79 I'm sorry I missed parts of the color discussion some time ago - did you already talk about this kind of issues? > Sini in Finland. home page at http://www.saunalahti.fi/~partoy/Juhola6.html
off topic: girths and Ortho-Flexes
This message is from: sini seppala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi all, would you know where to find a flexible western type of girth anywhere in the world? A flexible girth is so much more comfortable for the horse and also safer as it adjusts to the horse so it always stays tight enough. We have a few English ones that have a flexible end and are with two buckles - they don't fit these western saddles that are for just one big buckle. The English girths are also too long for these saddles. Also, we're looking for Ortho-Flexes: Cyclone, Softsteel Turn-A-Burn, Softsteel Trailpardner and Softsteel Patriot are the ones we've mainly been thinking about. If you know of any which would be for sale second hand or new I'd be grateful to know! Also if you have had these modles on your Fjords - it'd be great to hear how they fit on a round and short back like they often have. Which one of those so called systems do you need to have for a Fjord? Thank you and have a good summer day all Sini in Finland. home page at http://www.saunalahti.fi/~partoy/Juhola6.html
Re: "Lasse"
This message is from: sini seppala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> My Fjord is named Lasse. I was told that this meant "large truck".
Hello all,
'lasset' which is often pronounced 'lasse' is - apart from being a
common man's name - the same as 'load' in Swedish. And 'lastbil' is a
truck ('bil'=car).
So perhaps here's at least some connection bringing Lasse closer to a truck.
Best wishes
Sini in Finland. home page at http://www.saunalahti.fi/~partoy/Juhola6.html
Re: Training age
This message is from: sini seppala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Pat What a wonderful post you wrote. Wise calm thoughts put in such a balanced way. A treat to read! Thank you & have a good day all Sini in Finland. http://www.saunalahti.fi/~partoy/Juhola6.html Pat wrote: > Betty,Here at Green Valley Farm we start them under saddle the winter going > into their third year. However prior to this they are handled everyday & > taught ground manners. Prior to ever sitting on them they fully understand > what it means to stand and accept whatever it is I am doing with them, ie: > clipping, bathing, farrier work, vet work, dentist. I teach them to lunge > and expect them to give me their attention for 10-15 min's. They learn to > walk, trot and canter on the end of a 25 ft. lunge line, to stop and stand > and to move off and stay at whatever gait I ask in a steady and calm manner. > During these work outs I can asses their capabilities and attitude, I learn > how much I can ask and when to quit. I then ground drive them to develop some > mouth > before I get on. The first few lesson are easy, short and calm. I've already > figured out what each individual horse will accept and then move on in > training according to that. Some horses are a little sensitive and we go > about walking and trotting with a calming-easy tone. Some others need > "encouragement" to move off and accept the fact that a "work session" is > going on and they can't be in "la-la land". > More important than age is your assessment of your individual horse. Learn to > read him, I know of a very good trainer who starts Fjords as two years old > and have wonderful results. I currently have a three year old I have not > ridden yet because she needs concentrated time and right now I have four > other horses in hard training. I will start her when my show season is over. > Each horse is different and you have to adapt your training to that > individual horse. Go with your gut feeling, no two training programs are > alike, take from everyone who you ask a little something and create your own > methods. > Good Luck. > Pat Holland, Mgr./Tr. Green Valley Farm
Re: horse oriented/imprinting
This message is from: sini seppala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Timid? Is there such a thing as a timid Fjord foal? :-) those foals were probably not Fjords. Anyway, I meant to say they were equally unwilling and inexperienced when it came to cooperate with humans. > If it is not done correctly it CAN cause behavior problems > later so unless you know what you are doing and take the time and care to > do it right it its best not to try to "imprint". Yes, certainly true. However, it often seems imprint training is somewhat mystified and a dead-serious business - as if there's only one way to handle a foal and if you don't follow the program you're both lost for ever. A foal is still a horse and we all know what we want to do with horses and what we'd like them to be like. When you keep that in mind you'll know what you want the foal to get used to. So IMO you *can* do the handling and training according to what feels right and sensible for you and the particular foal although 'it's in the book' that you have to do this exercise 50 times or that this exercise will have to be done before this one. I think there are only three things you need to keep in mind to do it right: > Maybe you think it's cute when he rears up to > play with you at a day old, but if you incourage this you are teaching him > to buck and rear with you! Yes - it's not a good idea to let him do anything which he will not be allowed to do later in his life. The other thing is that when doing imprint training exercises, it's always necessary to hold the foal UNTIL he relaxes. That's how he'll learn that unclear situations can be solved by relaxing. If you let him get up and go earlier he'll only learn that they can be solved by fighting. I find this the only risk there is. And then it's wise not to desensitize the areas which should remain sensitive (like flanks so that he'll react to leg yields easily when ridden). Obviously it's a safe route to follow the 'instructions'. So it's very much to recommend. I just think it's not the only way to go. Karen's idea to tie a youngster on the arena fence to watch the other horses sounds nice. We have had them in the pasture nearby to watch but they would obviously concentrate even better if they were standing still. Best wishes, Sini. http://www.saunalahti.fi/~partoy/Juhola6.html
Re: horse oriented/imprinting
This message is from: sini seppala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Timid? Is there such a thing as a timid Fjord foal? :-) those foals were probably not Fjords. Anyway, I meant to say they were equally unwilling and inexperienced when it came to cooperating with humans. > If it is not done correctly it CAN cause behavior problems > later so unless you know what you are doing and take the time and care to > do it right it its best not to try to "imprint". Yes, certainly true. However, it often seems imprint training is somewhat mystified and a dead-serious business - as if there's only one way to handle a foal and if you don't follow the program you're both lost for ever. A foal is still a horse and we all know what we want to do with horses and what we'd like them to be like. When you keep that in mind you'll know what you want the foal to get used to. So IMO you *can* do the handling and training according to what feels right and sensible for you and the particular foal although 'it's in the book' that you have to do this exercise 50 times or that this exercise will have to be done before this one. I think there are only three things you need to keep in mind to do it right: > Maybe you think it's cute when he rears up to > play with you at a day old, but if you incourage this you are teaching him > to buck and rear with you! Yes - it's not a good idea to let him do anything which he will not be allowed to do later in his life. The other thing is that when doing imprint training exercises, it's always necessary to hold the foal UNTIL he relaxes. That's how he'll learn that unclear situations can be solved by relaxing. If you let him get up and go earlier he'll only learn that they can be solved by fighting. I find this the only risk there is. And then it's wise not to desensitize the areas which should remain sensitive (like flanks so that he'll react to leg yields easily when ridden). Obviously it's a safe route to follow the 'instructions'. So it's very much to recommend. I just think it's not the only way to go. Karen's idea to tie a youngster on the arena fence to watch the other horses sounds nice. We have had them in the pasture nearby to watch but they would obviously concentrate even better if they were standing still. Best wishes, Sini. http://www.saunalahti.fi/~partoy/Juhola6.html
Re: horse oriented/imprinting
This message is from: sini seppala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > I suspect (don't know) imprinting is overrated. I read a study where people were asked at the end of 6 months to > guess which of 12 foals had been imprinted and which had not (they'd all > been handled daily). Nobody could tell. > Gail-Dorine in Las Cruces That makes a lot of sense to me: I think the point is that it doesn't really matter WHAT you actually do with a foal as long as you do something with them regularly from the very beginning, spend time with them and let them learn to trust you as a reliable, nice leader. Imprinting exercises and showing different kinds of equipment to the foal etc. are very all right but I think the most important thing is simply to be around and to 'live' with the foal, letting it get used to the everyday life by communicating with people and by watching older horses - I think it's a good idea to let the foal follow the mare safely to different situations and learn by watching. Also heard about a study made in the US (don't know about the details) where a number of foals was handled and the same amount was not. Then they were in a herd so that the next time they were approached they were one year old. ALL of them were equally timid. They just simply forget if the contact is not frequent. Sini. home page at http://www.saunalahti.fi/~partoy/Juhola6.html
Re: Biting
This message is from: sini seppala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Wrote about the vinegar trick the other day. Wanted to add that the mare
is now 3 yrs old and nice to be around. Haven't used the vinegar thing
for others as nipping never has become an issue. I think a major help is
to have a decisive adult horse around - they teach the young ones to
respect other individuals (people, too).
Have a haoppy Mother's Day all!
Sini. home page at http://www.saunalahti.fi/~partoy/Juhola6.html
sini seppala wrote:
> We used to have vinegar in one of those injection type of tubes in which
> some deworming preparates come (so there's no nail). When this filly
> nipped we would immediately give her a dose and she DEFINITELY
> didn't think it tasted any good. The first few times she was most
> offended, gave us some very annoyed looks ('how could you - now you
> ruined all the fun!') and started sulking. But it did help after only a
> few attempts.
Re: Biting
This message is from: sini seppala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
We used to have vinegar in one of those injection type of tubes in which
some deworming preparates come (so there's no nail). When this filly (10
months old)
nipped we would immediately give her a dose and she DEFINITELY
didn't think it tasted any good. The first few times she was most
offended, gave us some very annoyed looks ('how could you - now you
ruined all the fun!') and started sulking. But it did help after only a
few attempts (more quickly than what seems to work if you slap them or
whatever) and she quit.
First we thought about chili (that fiery spice) diluted in water instead
of vinegar, but didn't do it as the effect would have stayed for too
long and it obviously shouldn't bother her for more than a few seconds.
Vinegar is not good for teeth, though, as it's quite sour so you'd
better not use it for very many days.
(Another thing which we've found helpful is to teach them to give way
and move a bit when you ask by waving your hand or a leadrope. That
confirms you have the right to ask them to move - so you're above in the
herd which means they have no right to bite you.)
Good luck
Sini. home page at http://www.saunalahti.fi/~partoy/Juhola6.html
Re: Trimming Ergots
This message is from: sini seppala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Jean Gayle wrote: > Sarah I just dig my thumb nail in and peel them off. Dogs love them. Or > you can ask your ferrier to slice them off. :) :) :) - I thought you wrote 'Or you could ask your TERRIER to slice them off.' Why not!? Some people soften ergots and chestnuts with either water or some grease (like vaseline) before peeling them off. Have a great day all. Sini. home page at http://www.saunalahti.fi/~partoy/Juhola6.html
Aimee's great day
This message is from: sini seppala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Thanks for sharing this - sounds like a wonderful day in deed and I can almost smell the mild spring air..:) Sini. home page at http://www.saunalahti.fi/~partoy/Juhola6.html > > Aimee Day wrote: > > I just wanted to share my GREAT day with other fjord people :) > > > My horses have not been out of their pasture in the last 2 months. > > I brought them in today, had their feet done and cleaned > > them up a bit. (the weather is a balmy 55-60 degrees in Maine today) > > We decided to take him outside of the barn and drive him around a bit. He > > did GREAT... I > > am SO PROUD of him > > OH, and we also went on our first ride SINCE Nov. of last year As > > alwaysperfect gentlemen :-) What a GREAT DAY! > > Thanks for letting me share :)
Re: Fjord Temperament
This message is from: sini seppala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Lynn wrote: > I got them impression that they are very > mule like - stubborn and rude. She was having great difficulty handling > them and even more when training. a lady here in Tassie has one and took it to a > clinic - it continuously bullied her and then flipped out and went bush - > it did this three times and each time it took her half an hour trying to find > it! Hi Lynn One thing is that sometimes Fjords are considered pets and children's horses. Kids (with quite good intentions) may not always treat them very skillfully if not guided to do so. Fjords (and a lot of ponies) are born to survive which means they tend to use their own head: If there's no reliable leader they can trust they'll make their own decisions. (Even if there is one now they are still products of their background and be used to decide for themselves.) Actually, stubborn is usually the same as intelligent and confident which also means the horse won't jump into conclusions nor spook easily - invaluable traits for a dependable, wise mount or any horse, aren't they! Many people say the same thing about mules and donkeys: that they are not stubborn nor rude - they are so intelligent they need to be allowed to weigh things. If you manage to create a good companionship with them and let them understand what you want they'll do anything for you. Kaci, one of our Fjords once refused to jump over a little ditch during a trail ride. As I kept demanding she finally did jump - and we ended up half swimming in the mud. She had known the ground was too soft. And I had thought she was just being stubborn when she was only using her own knowledge and experience for the benefit of both of us. (So I certainly didn't act like a good leader whose decisions can be trusted... we had known each other for just about a month at that time. Luckily she forgave me.) This is an example I often think of when trying to describe what Fjords are like. I think Fjords are often exceptionally smart and sensitive. Even if most of them are patient, hard-working and friendly to most people, I know some Fjords who are so people-oriented they love their own family so deeply that it will take a long time before they get used to a new environment and new people after being sold. This may be one reason for some communication hiccups. Many of us also say Fjords have a certain sense of humour. I can very well imagine the situation you describe although I haven't had that kind of problems to that extent with my horses. A Fjord could very well do that if he thinks 'this is not fair' or 'this person doesn't know what she wants' or 'I know there's something to eat over there so why not have a break'. Perhaps you need to have a bit of a laid-back and permissive approach with many Fjords to make it easiest for both you and the horse. If you allow yourself to enjoy their intelligence and value their individualism they'll reward you with a lot of love and devotion and you'll have a wonderful time together. Sini. home page at http://www.saunalahti.fi/~partoy/Juhola6.html
Re: nosebands
This message is from: sini seppala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Don & Jane Brackett wrote: > At the > stable we ride at they are very snug. Our teacher feels that it keeps > the bit stable. We have been keeping them looser at home Hi Jane Many trainers say a tight noseband disturbs the horse a lot: as we know horses tend to chew when they are thinking about something and processing it, a noseband that won't let them do this makes learning and co-operation much more difficult for them. This applies especially for the drop noseband but the regular ones, too. If everything's all right in the communication the bit will be stable - forcing the horse to keep his mouth shut is probably not a lasting way to do it. All the best to you and your horses Sini. home page at http://www.saunalahti.fi/~partoy/Juhola6.html
Re: a question for the list
This message is from: sini seppala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Anna. I don't actually know the system in the US very well but as this was discussed on the list some time ago you might find the emails in the archives? According to the discussion one of the main reasons for the ban in the US was because crosses often look a lot like purebred Fjords. The dun colour is very dominant and many other traits typical of a Fjord seem to be passed on quite easily, too. That's why some Fjord breeders are afraid that it will get out of control - that people won't be able to know which is a Fjord and which is a cross. And that this mixup would lead a lot of problems - prices of pure Fjords and the reputation of pure Fjords being one thing. Best wishes Sini. home page at http://www.saunalahti.fi/~partoy/Juhola6.html
Re: Sad News
This message is from: sini seppala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I'm so sorry. It's good you obviously found him pretty soon so he got help and care on time. It sounds like he's getting the best possible care now. If something comes up that you don't agree on please ask for a second opinion. Sometimes it's worth a lot. Best wishes to all of you Sini. home page at http://www.saunalahti.fi/~partoy/Juhola6.html Catherine Lassesen wrote: > Markmann, one of our yearlings (in May he > will be one), was found at feeding time with his leg hanging from his > shoulder.
Re: Glen Tanar Eide photographs
This message is from: sini seppala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I seem to be all mixed up - it's not Sunday yet, is it! So have a good Saturday all. :) Sini PS. Somnus had a lot of fun today. It was his turn to be loose and he took good care of the mares who were in two pastures, visiting both places regularly, wandering in the woods a bit, climbing the rocks, tasting juicy young branches and cantering and bucking a little every now and again as he was in such a good mood. We like to keep one of them loose almost every day, sometimes all day, and they seem to enjoy it a lot. They never go very far but entertain themselves exploring all kinds of things. They gladly join Pauli (husband) when he makes firewood and try and give us a hand when we go back and forth in the yard with the wheelbarrow. :) sini seppala wrote: >Have a good Sunday Jean, it's > bedtime here (and hay time for the horses, just came in after feeding > them).
Re: Glen Tanar Eide photographs
This message is from: sini seppala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Jean Gayle wrote: > But > perhaps Scotland does have the first fjord of the millennium in the British > Isles :) :) :) That's right, most likely. Have a good Sunday Jean, it's bedtime here (and hay time for the horses, just came in after feeding them). Sini at 10.45 PM.
Re: Glen Tanar Eide photographs
This message is from: sini seppala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Jean Gayle wrote: > David, what I find most exciting about Glen Tanar Eide is that England knows > this is their first Fjord foal of the millennium Oh-oh - SCOTLAND, not England, Jean!! :) Congratulations to both Jacqueline and all of you Fjord people over there David! Great news. Thanks for sharing this Sini.
Denise, saddles
This message is from: sini seppala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> One thing I've heard about another flexible saddle Ultra-Flex (made in Germany) is that it should be better for horses with a short back (like Fjords or Arabs) than an Ortho-Flex. (I haven't seen or tried any of their saddles so this is hearsay.) Ultra-Flex doesn't have much on the net but the email address of a retailer is [EMAIL PROTECTED] Their home page is http://www.zentaur.de/sternberghof/tack.htm I'm expecting their brochure to arrive in the mail any day. They said the price of a saddle would be about 3600 DM which is about $1800. And if you buy several it will be cheaper. Do you know other flexible saddles? Was surfing for them the other day and found these sites: http://www.nhdid.com/sr-saddleco/page2.html http://www.bozsaddlery.com/ Sini. home page at http://www.saunalahti.fi/~partoy/Juhola6.html
Re: I finally watched the 13th warrior!!
This message is from: sini seppala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Michele Noonan wrote: > And the other thing I noticed. I've never seen Fjords MOVE SO FAST. I > think I need to see a few more in motion, I thought only Dusty new how to > Get up and Go like that Do you think they could have used a certain trick: sometimes a scene is filmed at normal speed and then showed for example twice as fast in the final result. This is what was done e.g. when Zorro rides his two horses (standing up) through the woods like a madman (in Zorro's Mask). Actually the horses were cantering very slowly and under control although it looks pretty wild in the actual movie. This trick was used also when The Horse Whisperer was filmed, at least when the horse is laid down. Sini. home page at http://www.saunalahti.fi/~partoy/Juhola6.html
Re: Sini's page
This message is from: sini seppala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Thank you Meredith. So nice you visit the page. :) :) :) Have a beautiful day all Sini in Sääkskylä where the furry fairies are having their breakfast in the morning sun Meredith Sessoms wrote: > > This message is from: "Meredith Sessoms" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > I think Sini Seppälä has outdone herself again ... take a look at the new > fjordling portrait at the top of her page! Sometimes I begin to believe > our breed has been sprinkled with fairy dust! Great photos Sini!: > > http://www.saunalahti.fi/~partoy/Juhola6.html > > >>><<< Meredith Sessoms > >>><<< Soddy-Daisy. Tennessee. USA > >>><<< Dorina & NFR Aagot
Janne - an idea?
This message is from: sini seppala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Janne Myrdal wrote: > Heidi is doing well, but oh boy, I have never seen such a sad horse. Janne, I'm so sorry for the situation, too. However it's nice you've got other horses so she's not quite alone. Have you thought about getting a foster foal for her? There are often loads of babies who have lost their mom or whose mom rejects them - if you're interested to do a foal a big service to save their lives you could check www.cyberfoal.com That would certainly make Heidi very happy if she just still accepts the baby. Some mares need to meet the foster baby soon after they have lost their own baby, but on the other hand some mares accept a new baby even if they haven't been pregnant for a long time and also if they are nursing their own foal at the same time. They help foals and mares to get together and also help people to get colostrum for orphan foals. Best wishes Sini. http://www.saunalahti.fi/~partoy/Juhola6.html
Re: V names
This message is from: sini seppala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> There is one 'Viola' in our Kaci's pedigree. Suppose Viola means violet. Then there is Vosse-Lars. No idea what Vosse is. Lars is about the same as Larry. There's also a mare called Valbjörg in Norway. Have a good day all Sini. http://www.saunalahti.fi/~partoy/Juhola6.html "M.Bijster" wrote: > > This message is from: "M.Bijster" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > -Oorspronkelijk bericht- > Van: Brian Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Aan: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com > Datum: maandag-februari-2000 23:16 > Onderwerp: Re: V names > > >This message is from: "Brian Thompson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >Norwegian names that begin with V are not plentiful in my family tree book, > >but I did come up with Valborg (fem) and Vigleik (male). > >Brian Thompson > > > >I once had a Fjord mare named Vroja ( I found that name in a book on > Norwegians myths and gods) > > Marion
Hi Jill
This message is from: sini seppala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I believe there are thousands of horse related mailing lists - have you tried www.onelist.com? You could also try a search engine and type e.g. the words 'mailing list' - that's what I did once and there were PLENTY. Good luck Sini in Finland. home page at http://www.saunalahti.fi/~partoy/Juhola6.html Handwovens by Jill wrote: > > This message is from: "Handwovens by Jill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > As I read the postings I see that the "season" is certainly gearing up > to be a busy one. I live in Portland, Oregon, and very much want to be > able to participate in these Fjord activities when ever I can -- as a > tradesperson/vendor selling my custom hand-made driving aprons and > horsey jewelry. Please, plze add me to any mailing lists you > have out there so I know what's going onthanks in advance! > > Jill -- Weaver Diva, Apron Maker Extrodinaire, Beaverton, Oregon > > Snail Mail: > Jill Hack > 5620 SW Murray Road, No. 5 > Beaverton, OR 97005
I'm sorry-that was supposed to be private
This message is from: sini seppala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The email I sent to Jill, that is. I'm sorry. Have a beautiful Sunday all Sini.
Re: Stallion control?
This message is from: sini seppala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> " Horse breeding is > mostly government subsidized. Stallions are owned by the government Studs. > Distances are short, and mare owners can take their mares to the government > stallions for a nominal fee. In Finland none of the stallions or mares are owned by the government. There used to be Finnish Universal (the national breed) stallions owned by the government a long time ago. Not all stallions used for breeding were owned by it, however. They used to be called 'stallions of the crown' referring to royalties, and Finland has been a republic since 1917. This has been very interesting and educating, thank you all. Sini.
Re: Do you Remember?
This message is from: sini seppala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Yeah and if it was like the walk my Mother-in-Law had to make it was up hill both ways with hot potatoes in her pockets too!!! So the story goes anyway). ;-) > Here the story goes 'I always skied to school all winter and summer..' ;-) Sini.
Stallion control?
This message is from: sini seppala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I am personally very happy that the stallions in America are not controlled by the government, as from earlier posts I understand is done in Europe. ---That's not the case at least in Finland and I don't know of any other countries, either, that would have that kind of system. Which ones do you mean? There is an organisation which keeps registries of different breeds and works for the benefit of breeding in many ways and it is not under the government over here. And yes, things and policies do constantly progress even over here. ;-) Have a beautiful (spring?) day all Sini.
Re: Fiskars
This message is from: sini seppala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Misha > So are these Fiskars the real good ones and where do you get em? Yes I think they're really good for this. Just make sure they are no copies - it should say Fiskars and Finland on them. Have sometimes bought some which looked about the same but were less durable. In fact they couldn't take a Fjord mane without going to pieces. Fiskars is actually a place in Finland and there is an old famous factory over there that makes knives, forks, tools etc. - also camp spades for the US army these days, by the way. 'Fiskare' is the same as 'Fisherman' so the history of this area has a lot to do with shipping. It's on the Southern-Western coast of Finland. Thank you for reminding - went out and trimmed two manes right after reading your post.:) Good luck Sini. home page at http://www.saunalahti.fi/~partoy/Juhola6.html
Saddles
This message is from: sini seppala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hello all, would be nice to know what you think about Ortho-Flexes and Ultra-Flexes (that's a German saddle with a flexible tree instead of spring panels). Have you used them on Fjords? Someone said OF's would tend to be longish for a short Fjord back but mostly I've heard they are just wonderful (at least to other breeds) in so many respects. SASKIA, try this: http://www.iberianconnection.com/saddles.html Have never tried Iberian saddles but some of them look so beautiful. Saw a lot of them at Equitana last year and many of them are pure works of art. I believe they are rather popular in Germany these days. This address above is to a Californian company. Cheers Sini. PS. Just updates the home page, welcome. Does it generally take ages to get to see the pictures at our site? Sini. http://www.saunalahti.fi/~partoy/Juhola6.html
Re: Safety stirrups /umlauts
This message is from: sini seppala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Oh-oh..changed the sentence after writing 'a friend of mine who's also in North America...' and now it looks like I thought you're in Canada, as well, or like this friend was about everywhere! :) Well, sunny greetings from Finland, all! Sini. http://www.saunalahti.fi/~partoy/Juhola6.html sini seppala wrote: > > This message is from: sini seppala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Hi Jean > Aha, so your keyboard uses them. I know there are many kinds and was > wondering how they turn out after going through the server. A friend of > mine who's also in Canada has a computer at home and another at work and > both of them make umlauts look like sets of bars or like sets of number > ones. (We use that word 'umlaut' in school in German classes, too:) > Best regards > Sini. http://www.saunalahti.fi/~partoy/Juhola6.html > > Jean Gayle wrote: > > > > This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > We call those two dot letters umlauts and we can make them with our puters, > > Sini > > > > ] > > Jean Gayle > > Aberdeen, WA > > [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" > > Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] > > http://www.techline.com/~jgayle > > Barnes & Noble Book Stores
Re: Safety stirrups /umlauts
This message is from: sini seppala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Jean Aha, so your keyboard uses them. I know there are many kinds and was wondering how they turn out after going through the server. A friend of mine who's also in Canada has a computer at home and another at work and both of them make umlauts look like sets of bars or like sets of number ones. (We use that word 'umlaut' in school in German classes, too:) Best regards Sini. http://www.saunalahti.fi/~partoy/Juhola6.html Jean Gayle wrote: > > This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > We call those two dot letters umlauts and we can make them with our puters, > Sini > > ] > Jean Gayle > Aberdeen, WA > [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" > Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] > http://www.techline.com/~jgayle > Barnes & Noble Book Stores
Re: Safety stirrups
This message is from: sini seppala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sorry, forgot to translate, just wanted to greet my 'neighbour' Anneli in her language and was also curious to see what happens to the a's and o's with dots (also called Scandinavian letters although they do exist in at least German and Estonian too) when they're sent via this server. :) Sini. > Hejsan Anneli > undrar vad som händer till våra skandinaviska bokstäver nu när de far > genom listans server. :)
Re: Safety stirrups
This message is from: sini seppala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hejsan Anneli undrar vad som händer till våra skandinaviska bokstäver nu när de far genom listans server. :) Have got two pairs of those camargue ones - bought them in Germany but they seem to be exactly like the ones Hooks (with dots) in Sweden has. I think they're great because they are so safe and don't come off accidentally like the ones with rubber bands. Why do you think it's possible to get stuck? The only thing I can think of is that if you have really deep and prominent figures under your soles they might get stuck unders ome circumstances. That's why we always wear shoes with relatively plain soles when riding. We attach these camargue ones to our western saddles, too, when we use them. We just put their stirrup leathers through the girth ring up there and don't use the original stirrups of the saddle at all (in fact we've removed them, only their wide, empty leathers are left). Best regards, Sini. http://www.saunalahti.fi/~partoy/Juhola6.html I have a pair of cage-shaped stirrups and I belive > that they are to low and to narrow - mabye I can't slip through them (which > I'm sure I wouldn't do anyway) but it's possible to get stuck and get > dragged after the horse. Seems like I have to buy myself a pair of > rubber-band-stirrups.
Re: Punishment
This message is from: sini seppala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Regarding the leader of a herd and how she disciplines the others: some research done lately by studying herds shows that actually the real leader of the herd does not use force much at all. As she's gained the respect and trust in other ways (by being reliable, stable and calm and making good decisions) she doesn't usually have to do more than make a gesture (for instance pin ears) to help the others to remember who's who. (There are often members in the herd who do boss around and kick and bite. However, usually these ones are not real leaders - the others don't trust their decisions, follow them nor seek their company to feel safe. Quite the contrary these bosses are often disliked by the others.) According to these researchers and trainers most of the biting and kicking happens between members who are almost equal in the hierarchy. (For them it's often useful to quarrel as winning gives you an instant reward - lets you eat first etc.) This is why hitting the horse often seems to encourage the unwanted behaviour: in the horse language the human is saying 'we're almost equal' which means that it can be a profitable idea to go on opposing. Many people find building the relationship consequently - for example by teaching the horse to give way - a more durable solution to bad behaviour than instant hitting. Another good simple idea is to conquer the horse's pile of hay in the paddock every now and again by approaching him in a demanding way (for instance by waving a lead rope in the air to chase the horse away if needed) as this is one of the daily things a real leader does to establish its position. So that farrier episode ended well. However, there are horses who might have thought what he did was mighty unfair of a person who they don't even know. Which might have led into further problems. In any case somebody else might have established his position by taking a few minutes to introduce himself and by for instance asking the horse to give way before starting to work on her. He might have thought that a horse that behaves herself because she wants to and not because she gets punished if she doesn't is a happier and safer horse to work with. I hope no-one thinks I'm criticizing what they do with their horses. Quite the contrary I read about everybody's experiences with great respect and interest. A relationship with a horse is always a collection of so many factors and we're all individuals as well as our horses are - what suits one doesn't suit the other. What do you think? Greetings from misty, snowy Juhola. Sini. home page at http://www.saunalahti.fi/~partoy/Juhola6.html
horse's headaches
This message is from: sini seppala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Have often wondered if horses sometimes get headaches like we do > Have wondered about that, too, and I think horses' heads and > bellies etc. ache at times just like ours - why wouldn't they? After > all, horses are even more sensitive to for instance changes in their > diet than many other animals. Have also heard of a horse who, according > to the owner, clearly had pains which were related to the mare's > hormonal cycle. > > I guess we easily think that the horse is just being difficult or > testing us or whatever. What if he's stiff and ouchy from > yesterday's exercise, or has a pulled muscle that won't cause visible > limping (just like we may have some really sore spots that won't prevent > us from moving but still hurt a lot), or is fighting an infection that > makes him feel weak although we can't notice anything out of the > ordinary. > > Greetings from snowy Juhola where the horses are having their supper > out in the pasture and the sky is deep blue tonight. > Sini. http://www.saunalahti.fi/~partoy/Juhola6.html
Re: ouch / safety boots
This message is from: sini seppala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> We've bought some which are actually meant for woodsmen and are recommended for use at building sites, too. :) I guess they should be able to take a horse hoove, too. I'm not sure if there is steel in these as they are much lighter than another pair which is not meant for this kind of professional work. Sini. http://www.saunalahti.fi/~partoy/Juhola6.html > My farrier made a point about warning me to NEVER wear shoes > with a steel toe, since, a horse can step on these in such a way as > to collapse the steel tip, and cut toes off. Sorry for the gruesome > posting.
Snow and training young horses
This message is from: sini seppala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Yes, deep snow can slow young horses down notably: look at this picture at http://www.saunalahti.fi/~partoy/Juhola6.html Poor innocentTroia was running around in the forest with her little brother, and then she tripped. This is what that sudden stop looked like.;) Sini.
urine color
This message is from: sini seppala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I had a BIG scare after our first snow this winter as there was bloody > urine ALL OVER our pasture. I know a horse vet was really concerned once and took lots of tests to find out the reason. Until another one said that this happens - the color of the urine of a horse varies a LOT, and it can be red or become red on the ground. I'm not sure if it's only the sunlight that changes it as it can look red in shavings indoors, too. Somebody said it would have to do with hormones but I don't know how. At least our mares can have it both when they're in season and when they're not. However, have heard the urine can be red also if the horse has that one particular illness when it gets stiff all over etc. for instance because of having too much oats and too little exercise. Lannehalvaus in Finnish. But then the red urine should not be the only symptom. Best regards, Sini. http://www.saunalahti.fi/~partoy/Juhola6.html
Re: Misty Meadows Birth Announcement
This message is from: sini seppala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> CONGRATULATIONS! What an unusual coloring too. ;) Surprise is 'overraskning' (o with dots) in Swedish and it's probably something close to that in the Norwegian language. (Those two languages are so close to each other you can easily understand Swedish if you speak Norwegian yourself and vice versa.) Do we have people from Norway on here? So wonderful everything went fine. You must be very happy, all of you! All the best Sini. Misty Meadows B & B wrote: > Here at Misty Meadows in Victoria, BC we have a wonderful new colt born in > secret in the paddock this morning about 7:00AM. His dam Lyn is enjoying > this time of stalling (can you say non-stop eating!!!) and Sire Claylee's > Cole was proudly in attendance at the birthing. (6, weanlings, yearlings, > two year olds and broodmares also stood nearby and watched) The colt as yet > unnamed (is there a good Norwegian word for surprise, anybody??)
Re: We are pleased to announce....
This message is from: sini seppala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Oh Boy - wonderful pictures. What a sweet filly and a proud Mom. Thanks for sharing this Sini. http://www.saunalahti.fi/~partoy/Juhola6.html > > http://www.nfhr.com
Re: We are pleased to announce....
This message is from: sini seppala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> How wonderful. Congratulations! Zagorska sounds beautiful, too. All the best, Sini. http://www.saunalahti.fi/~partoy/Juhola6.html
Mules and head reading
This message is from: sini seppala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > "I think you'd find that the things she considers positive are things > that we would look for in a good horse any way." Thank you for the info Laurie, hope I'll get to know Linda's theory better some time. Ruthie, I think your ideas about why not do inter-species breeding sound well thought-out. Even if one of the experiments (=mule) has turned out good it can be an exception. Both donkeys and horses are domestic animals unlike zebras so they have more in common and may make a more 'natural' cross. By the way, I've been wondering, too, if mini-pigs are bred to be small like miniature horses. Does someone know where to get more detailed info on what the process is like that has made miniature horses smaller and smaller (although the initial individuals were bigger than the final results). It would also be interesting to know more about their health - if they are as healthy as horses in general or if there are some special problems they are more likely to have. Thank you have a beautiful Sunday, all. Sini. http://www.saunalahti.fi/~partoy/Juhola6.html
Electric fences and traditions
This message is from: sini seppala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I zipped and pointed "north"...away from the fence. Father-in-law > unzipped and started to "point" TOWARDS the fence. I casually remarked > > that I didn't think he should go right there.then pointed out the > > > electric wires. > Now THAT would have been a shocker. > Fred Pack Hubby (Pauli) says what your father-in-law was about to do is what he and his buddies used to do on purpose when they were little... sometimes if nature happened to call only one of them at a time they would also hold hands to make sure no-one missed the vibes. Even his dad did the same thing when he was little so I guess they couldn't help it.. Sini. http://www.saunalahti.fi/~partoy/Juhola6.html
Head reading
This message is from: sini seppala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Jean Gayle wrote: > I had my head "read" in 1947 in Germany. I was with some German > friends and got the giggles and was asked to leave the "Dr's" office!!! > Jean Jean, I didn't mean that kind of reading at all. Just the fact that the head of a stallion looks different from that of a mare!:) Did you ever get to know what they thought they could read in you? Was the person who did it supposed to be some sort of expert on this? Now that you mentioned this: actually there is a book (it could be by Linda Tellington-Jones but I'm not sure) in which the author comes up with a lot of conclusions based on how certain features in a horse (like big nostrils vs. small nostrils) should mean certain things in their nature. Don't know anything about it, just saw that book once. Sounds a bit strange. Sini. http://www.saunalahti.fi/~partoy/Juhola6.html
Re: zebra and fjord together
This message is from: sini seppala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > The zebra is the young stallion, Illusion, now around 4-5 years old and > nearing breeding age. Merek Really? Usually you can tell by how for example the head looks so I guess it's different when it comes to zebras. Interesting. Sini.
Re: zebra and fjord together
This message is from: sini seppala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Jean Ernest: http://www.angelfire.com/ma/BarredMRanch/page13.html Good heavens! Here is a picture of a Zebra and a Fjord together! Yes but it looks like both are mares. Thank God. ;) Sini. http://www.saunalahti.fi/~partoy/Juhola6.html
Re: zebra and fjord together
This message is from: sini seppala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I think phrenology, reading the bumps on a skull to determine an individual's > characteristics or condition, went out early in the 1900's. Have heard some Finnish and Norwegian judges say that the head of a Fjord stallion must look manly and that of a mare feminine. That's what I meant, no characteristics or condition. Best regards Sini.
Re: zebra and fjord together
This message is from: sini seppala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> PS Merek: In any case I think the zebra is beautiful. Looks kind of sophisticated and elegant. Are these your animals? What kind of zebra is he? Have never seen horse-zebra crosses live but they look fascinating. Although I know zebra is a wild animal etc. and you never know what the cross will be like if you end up with one. Interesting, still. Sini. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > In a message dated 1/28/00 2:56:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > writes: > > << http://www.angelfire.com/ma/BarredMRanch/page13.html > Good heavens! Here is a picture of a Zebra and a Fjord together! > > > Yes but it looks like both are mares. Thank God. ;) > Sini. http://www.saunalahti.fi/~partoy/Juhola6.html > >> > The zebra is the young stallion, Illusion, now around 4-5 years old and > nearing breeding age. Merek
Re: zebra and fjord together
This message is from: sini seppala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sorry, I keep finding more information after sending these questions off! Found my way to the info part of this website at www.angelfire.com/ma/BarredMRanch and read more about Illusion's breeding. Their work sounds interesting. Is Heidi on the list, too? Thank you for sharing this Sini. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > In a message dated 1/28/00 2:56:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > writes: > > << http://www.angelfire.com/ma/BarredMRanch/page13.html > Good heavens! Here is a picture of a Zebra and a Fjord together! > > > Yes but it looks like both are mares. Thank God. ;) > Sini. http://www.saunalahti.fi/~partoy/Juhola6.html > >> > The zebra is the young stallion, Illusion, now around 4-5 years old and > nearing breeding age. Merek
Re: mules
This message is from: sini seppala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I also didn't know that you could cross breed to Zebras at all. Hi Alison, come see this: http://hometown.aol.com/zzorse/photos2.html Here's a picture of a baby zorse of an Appy mare - with both spots and stripes! There are several other photos, too, for example of crosses from QH's. It's quite interesting to see that these crosses look more like zebras than horses. As if the zebra genes are somehow more dominant? Here are two other addresses: http://hometown.aol.com/zzorse/index.html http://www.angelfire.com/tx/redmustang2/exotics.html Best regards Sini. http://hometown.aol.com/zzorse/photos2.html
Re: Erlend web site - Knutsen Fjord Farm
This message is from: sini seppala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Thanks for sharing this Doug & Peg, Erlend is GORGEOUS. Congrats on the beautiful web site, too. How tall is Erlend? Everyone else, go see him at http://www.eburg.com/~kffjord/content/erlendpage.htm. He's great. Sini. http://www.saunalahti.fi/~partoy/Juhola6.html
Re: Horses looking up...
This message is from: sini seppala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sure they do look up over here, too. Especially our arab mare Bona - when I met her for the first time and rode her in the forest she actually stopped to look at the full moon. No kidding. She turned her head almost upside down to see it better. Now at New Year's eve she left her pile of hay and went to a more open place in her pasture to see the fireworks better. She wasn't afraid of them, just curious to see them in the sky. Also our Fjords are often amazed at hot-air balloons. Sini. http://www.saunalahti.fi/~partoy/Juhola6.html Sarah Vogeley wrote: > Our three mares have a paddock that runs about 15 feet from > our house and in the mornings (when it's warmer) my husband and I often > liftup our bedroom window to say good morning to them. -- after > we "chat" with them for a bit, they realize where our voices are coming from > and look up at us on the second floor. > > >From: Anita Unrau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > People always told us that horses don't look up but I got some pics of > > them looking up to see what that horrible noise was.
Re: Blonken
This message is from: sini seppala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Meredith Sessoms wrote: > Hey, wait a minute, Sini ... Snag is a llama! tehe Yup, I guess you're right. But he's almost as handsome as a Fjord in a winter coat, though. ;) Sini. http://www.saunalahti.fi/~partoy/Juhola6.html
Re: Blonken
This message is from: sini seppala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I'm confused, http://www.foreverton.com/snag.htm, is a llama.¨ LOL - I'm sorry, that one really didn't look like a Fjord to me, either! (A gorgeous llama, though). The address I meant to give was http://www.foreverton.com/index.htm :) Sini. http://www.saunalahti.fi/~partoy/Juhola6.html
Re: Blonken
This message is from: sini seppala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> False alarm, now I did find a Fjord mare at http://www.foreverton.com/snag.htm Sini. > > This message is from: Mary Thurman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > If this is a Fjord I'll eat my hat! > > > http://www.foreverton.com/blonken.htm > > > > > > This is probably his dam, looks pure Fjording to me: > > > http://www.foreverton.com/graphx/ > >
Re: Blonken
This message is from: sini seppala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Meredith, which one of them do you think is the dam? Only found a list of names and none of them says Fjord - which is the right one? Thanks Sini. http://www.saunalahti.fi/~partoy/Juhola6.html Meredith Sessoms wrote: > If this is a Fjord I'll eat my hat! > http://www.foreverton.com/blonken.htm > > This is probably his dam, looks pure Fjording to me: > http://www.foreverton.com/graphx/
Electric fence
This message is from: sini seppala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> There are so many types of those electric units - some of them are so powerful that they burn all the long grass under the wire. I wonder if I'd ever purchase one of those - what if a child or a dog touches the wire? Also heard of a foal who had been caught in the wires and actually died. Truly wonder if that much power is necessary. Guess they are originally meant for really huge pastures and shouldn't be used for other purposes. Sini. http://www.saunalahti.fi/~partoy/Juhola6.html Jean Gayle wrote: > I pick a blade of grass, wet it > with my tongue and then rest the blade on the hot wire.
Re: Redford / join hands
This message is from: sini seppala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> So well put Joanna, thank you. Lots of warm thoughts to you, Sheri and Harold, from all of us I'm sure. Sini. http://www.saunalahti.fi/~partoy/Juhola6.html Joanna Crell wrote: > Please feel the warmth and loving wishes of everyone here (each house, farm > and fellow) I know that this is a living connection. When one of us > needs, many will help. I love seeing the caring communication between > people here, this is a circle of friends that could be a global example.
Re: Norwegian folk museum
This message is from: sini seppala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Interesting! Thanks for sharing this. I wonder if the stripes in the picture could also refer to a long-haired winter coat as there are almost no stripes on the legs (where they usually are) and as the other animals (at least the deer) seem to have the same kind of stripes. Don't know. Your guess sounds as good. How old is this picture? How do you know it's a Fjord? As the Vikings had horses on their ships when they travelled to what are now called Greenland and Britain as well as along the rivers through what is now Russia to Southern Asia I guess they may have brought some new horses home, too, at times. Have heard the Arabian influence would be the reason for the typical Fjord head with a dish. Sini.http://www.saunalahti.fi/~partoy/Juhola6.html walker wrote: > this wood cut which makes me wonder if the early fjords had even more > zebra striping than we ever imagined? > http://www.norskfolke.museum.no/presentasjon/bonde-best/motiv.html?motiv=med+pipe+og+tobakk&bildenr=4&image.x=6&image.y=1
Re: E-Z BOOTS & Saskia
This message is from: sini seppala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Sue, you say that you use a velcro strap hooked into the back of the boot and around the ankle so we don't loose a boot. How do you actually use it? Any other ideas on how they can be made sit where they should? Haven't tried them yet but some people say they can come off. Our horses don't usually need shoes under these circumstances. The only reason for having shoes is that it's sometimes quite slippery over here in the winter. We've been wondering if easy boots might be the answer. They also come with small metal studs which can be attached to their bottom and removed. Where are Saskia and the haflinger-fjord baby?! How are you? Thank you Sini in Finland. home page at http://www.saunalahti.fi/~partoy/Juhola6.html
Re: Dun looking for names?
This message is from: sini seppala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> How about Dunderella or Dad's Dun It Great. What is the sire called? Glad? Then it could be Glad's Dun It Great. Or Right or Fine etc. Good luck & best regards Sini. http://www.saunalahti.fi/~partoy/Juhola6.html [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > In a message dated 00-01-19 13:33:35 EST, you write: > > << We bred our QH mare to > a Hollywood Dun It son whose name is I'm glad I'm dun. And we're looking > for > a cute name for the foal with a "Dun" in it. I hope we can make it, we just > have one Fjord so far, and we still have a lot of learning to do, and I > think > that it helps to get all the exposure we can. > Thanks,Tami > >> > > We had a QH Dun gelding, whos registered name was, " Show Um How Its Dun > " .he was a dun, of course. His barn name was " Dundee " Lisa > Pedersen >Always thought " Ride, Till He's Dun " would be cute also.
Re: Trees & Pictures / Joni
This message is from: sini seppala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Joni The page is in both Finnish and English. Perhaps there was something wrong with the address - here it is once again. Hope you'll get through All the best to all, Sini in Finland. home page at http://www.saunalahti.fi/~partoy/Juhola6.html [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sini: I tried to view your web-site, but I did not know where to go, as > it is all in "Finish"??? Could you let me know how to find the pictures? > Thanks, Joni @ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sorry
This message is from: sini seppala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I'm sorry to burden the list unnecessarily: just asked about this and now I did find the way to change the subscription from the digest form to the individual one. Thank you anyway. Sini. http://www.saunalahti.fi/~partoy/Juhola6.html
Trees & Pictures
This message is from: sini seppala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hello all. Haven't heard pinetrees would be harmful. Our horses have a pasture in the forest and they love to add all kinds of branches to their diet. We don't have maples or oaks over there, however. We also make bunches of branches (aspen, birch, alder, willows) for them in the summer and they gladly have some during the winter months. That's an old tradition over here and keeps them busy and happy. What's more, trees are proven to contain a lot of vitamins and minerals. Some breeding stables at least in France use them, too, in a chopped form. Especially if you let the bunch soak in water for about an hour or two before serving they get juicy and taste especially good. We also bring the horses branches of fir trees in the winter (that's a traditional addition as well) and they have firs growing in their pastures, too. They actually eat quite a lot of those needles (more than just a handful a day) which is nice as it gives them e.g. the vitamin C in a natural form. Mike asked me to tell you all on here when new photos are released on our home page. The page is updated at least once a week so welcome to visit us! Have a happy new year all. Sini in Finland. home page at http://www.saunalahti.fi/~partoy/Juhola6.html PS. If one wants to subscribe to the standard list and not the digest, what should be done? Thank you.
Still On Foals
This message is from: sini seppala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Saskia and all! I'm sorry this is a long post. However, we know that many people think about this kind of things and think they are worth discussing. Are you planning to do some of the so called imprint training? You don't have to repeat every exercise 100 times like it's sometimes said - if the foal relaxes earlier which is quite possible. The only thing which is quite important to do 'by the book' is that you should wait until the foal relaxes before you let him go. (Will call the foal 'him' from now on.:) He WILL instinctively try and get up at some point even if the situation is quite nice. IF you let him get up, the foal will learn that unclear situations can be solved by force. But if you go on stroking until the foal relaxes and then let him go, hewill learn that unclear situations can be handled by calming down. It's also useful to let him get an idea of all kinds of things he's going to come across later on. It's good to let him learn by watching what mom does. For example our foals have understod the idea of driving by watching their dam pulling a cart. When we then start driving them they know right away that they are supposed to go forward although the human is now behind them and not by their side like when being led. Especially if the mare is calm she can teach her foal to face all kinds of situations and places with confidence (bikes, flying hens, ditches, barking dogs etc.). She will also teach her foal how to communicate with people - and that's why we think it's a good idea to make sure the mare has a chance to be a good role model: it'd be great if she didn't have to do anything which will make her protest because the foal will pick that up. If she has to do something uncomfortable it might be a good idea to find something for the foal to do in the meantime so that he won't see her dam having disagreements with people. When hesees mom being friendly and cooperative hewill start doing the same. Also if there are other horses around who sometimes for example test their limits, it might be best not to show those conflicts for the foal. Another thing which we've found useful and which is discussed by some vets over here, too, is to let the foal get used to various circumstances - hills, rocks, woods. Their tendons and muscles get much stronger and more flexible than on even fields and they learn to look after their feet - good for future jumpers (and all others). This also greatly reduces the risks for all kinds of injuries - that they are allowed to run in the woods when they are little. They do know how to do it from the very first day - and they will easily forget all about it if they are kept on fields only. You can also see quite clearly that their movement develops into what their capacity really is - which may not happen when they are mainly on even fields. It would be nice to hear everybody's thoughts about these things. Thank you in advance. Everybody have a wonderful year change and all the best in 2000! Sini in Finland. home page at http://www.saunalahti.fi/~partoy/Juhola6.html
Steve already sent us the digest
This message is from: Sini Seppala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ..just wanted to let you know in case somebody was going to do the same. Thank you anyway & warm regards, Sini. home page http://www.saunalahti.fi/~partoy/Juhola6.html
Missing Digest
This message is from: Sini Seppala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hello all! Would somebody care to forward the digest no 311 as something happened and it disappeared while we were trying to check the post. Thank you so much have a beautiful day all Sini in Finland. [EMAIL PROTECTED] home page at http://www.saunalahti.fi/~partoy/Juhola6.html
Re: Move
This message is from: Sini Seppala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Yes, anything goes - however, it'd be easiest if there was no fee as I don't have credit cards and it's fairly difficult and costly to send payments abroad otherwise. Have a good Fjord day all Sini in Finland. home page http://www.saunalahti.fi/~partoy/Juhola6.html
Re: List must move
This message is from: Sini Seppala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Whatever you decide is fine with us. Thank you Sini. home page http://www.saunalahti.fi/~partoy/Juhola6.html
Still On Winter Foals
This message is from: Sini Seppala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ...if you wonder why I recommended the address of Cyberfoal: it's good to know where to get information - obviously it sounds like everything will go just fine for you. There is one centre for this purpose even in the Netherlands these days, by the way, it's mentioned at this Cyberfoal site. Sini. home page at http://www.saunalahti.fi/~partoy/Juhola6.html
Winter Foals
This message is from: Sini Seppala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Saskia, our Kaci had one of her foals here in Finland when there was still some snow on the ground in places. Guess what - the baby (Troia) must have known it was cold outside as she was born with a thick, wooly coat - quite different from e.g. the following foal Somnus who was born with a silky coat next summer! So she was definitely warm except when she ran so much she got wet one evening. We actually had to use a hair-dryer which she enjoyed so that she fell asleep in our hands. (A good form of imprint training!) Kaci didn't have a blanket when she was foaling in her pasture. However, had she been sweating more she might have needed one afterwards. The temp was about 2-4 degrees Centigrade. I think it's safer to let the mare foal outdoors if possible because there's no way the foal can end up in a difficult position between the mare and a wall or anything like that. Kaci also seemed to be happy to be able to choose the actual place herself. She picked up a nice, even, safe place under the trees. (Quite many Fjord people around here also think the foals who are born outside often become even healthier than other Fjord babies. At least Kaci's foals have always been completely healthy.) >From then on the baby and Kaci were outdoors all the time. If Kitty likes her herd I would probably let her foal in the company of the others. It may be a nice experience for her to know that the others are there to guard her safety - especially since she is a dominant mare: I don't think the others will disturb her. If you want to keep them separate you could still turn them out with the others quite soon. The idea of having your Shetland pony with her sounds very good. In any case, Kitty will protect the foal from the others if they tend to get too wild. It took Kaci about an hour before she recovered well enough to realise what she's supposed to do. First she didn't protect the foal as much as she perhaps could have when the rest of the herd wanted to get to know the newcomer. Everything went well, however. I don't think it matters to the foal whether the colts are gelded. But I guess you mean you can't put them together with Kitty so that they won't breed her. There are a lot of good foaling-related sites on the net. You could try 'foal', 'foaling', 'imprint training' and words like that on some of the search engines. You could also check these sites out: http://horseforum.com/tjones/manual.htm http://www.cyberfoal.com/ All the best to all of you! What a wonderful way to start a new millennium! Sini. http://www.saunalahti.fi/~partoy/Juhola6.html
Mane Trimming
This message is from: Sini Seppala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi all, one thing to make the mane stand up is to make it thinner. (Sorry if I'm repeating someone else's texts and somebody's mentioned this already - a few messages went missing before I managed to read them.) Have heard Norwegian horse people traditionally use a knife to grab the black part of the mane and to pull it out so that some of the hairs come out. I've got a pair of those scissors that barbers used to use (perhaps they still do) to shingle hair - you know those scissors with even, tiny teeth and gaps on the blades. They cut only 50% of the hair that goes through the blades while the rest is left intact. Makes it nice and even. Sini. home page at http://www.saunalahti.fi/~partoy/Juhola6.html
Fjord Message Board
This message is from: Sini Seppala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi all, thought to ask if you were interested in a Fjord message board - a site where everyone can leave their messages and reply to the others' posts. Or is there one already perhaps? Have been visiting a general horsey message board for two years and the place is both useful and a lot of fun. These people (there are about 15-20 regular participants and 5-10 who come and go) write about all kinds of horse-related things and tell stories about their horses etc. It's nice to learn to know them and their horses' personalities and hear about how they are doing. Most people write a post of a few lines once a day or a few times a week. These people have become great friends and have also met each other a few times. Does somebody know how a site like this can be established? Have a good day everyone and thank you for all these interesting conversations on the list Sini in Finland. home page at http://www.saunalahti.fi/~partoy/Juhola6.html
Hi Steve
Hi Steve! I'd like to get back on the list after a break caused by some travelling I've done. Can you tell me what do to? Thank you in advance and all the best, Sini. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
