RE: Elise- more from her owner
This message is from: laura fisher thank you Amy for your input. I was told by someone else that she had at one time been used on a dude ranch. Was just being honest with the information I have been given. it explains why she is not barn sour- and very willing to go for trail rides on her own.I knew she was used as an excellent inexperienced rider/ kids' horse from her last owner. I think she has enjoyed the ring work I have given her. I didnt know about the other two babies. She is very loving and will set her head in your hands and leave it there to hug and kiss( and clip)- she has excellent ground manners. How have her offspring turned out? I know nothing about breeding. Guess I should get those papers transferred ASAP huh? Laura:) > To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com > Subject: Re: Fillies for sale > Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 17:27:04 -0400 > From: fjord...@aol.com > > This message is from: Amy Evers > > > From: laura fisher laura_fishe...@hotmail.com ~~ I own a > are named Elise and I might need ( probably) to sell her. I would like to get > er a home where people know the breed. Please let me know if anyone is > nterested . I think she is eight years old. Very steady on trails.She has > apers.She has had two babies. ( not with me) She was used on a dude ranch > nd came out of the mid- west. ~~ I own a > are named Elise and I might need ( probably) to sell her. I would like to get > er a home where people know the breed. Please let me know if anyone is > nterested . I think she is eight years old. Very steady on trails.She has > apers.She has had two babies. ( not with me) She was used on a dude ranch > nd came out of the mid- west. > > > > Just FYI... If this is the mare I think it is, her name is Elisie (NFHR > HCR-N-2417-M). She is 10 years old and was bred by Robin Crouch in Nevada. She > was used in a previous home to give rides to non-riders but it was not a "dude > ranch". She has had 4 foals, one of which is a grey filly now owned by Ruthie > & Gene Bushnell, two others are still with Elisie's last owner - the one that > is still on her papers. She is a nice quiet mare, and a good ride on the > trails, but has not had much as far as formal training. > > Amy Evers > Dun Lookin' Fjords > Cottage Grove OR 97424 > > Important FjordHorse List Links: > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
RE: Fillies for sale
This message is from: laura fisher hello, i haven't been on the forum for quite a while because of a divorce. I own a mare named Elise and I might need ( probably) to sell her. I would like to get her a home where people know the breed. Please let me know if anyone is interested . I think she is eight years old. Very steady on trails.She has papers.She has had two babies. ( not with me) She was used on a dude ranch and came out of the mid- west. A good home is important but I would like to recover some of her cost as I could really use the money. I need to buy a new computer but cant afford it at the time so be patient with my responses. Seems to work fine on this browser accept for pop-ups. I am really exhaused and this decision to sell her should have been made a couple of ago. It is very hard to have one more loss. thank you, Laura Robbins "Fisher" bellacavallof...@seasidehighspeed.com > To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com > Subject: Fillies for sale > Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 22:54:42 -0300 > > This message is from: "Bella Cavallo Farm" > > > Bella Cavallo Farm is pleased to offer for sale Bella Cavallo Prima > (available Oct 2010) and Bella Cavallo Gemma (available Feb 2011). Both > fillies are sired by BDF Yukon a son of Gjest. > > For more information go to our website www.bellacavallofarm.com or email us > at bellacavallof...@seasidehighspeed.com > > > > > > Ron Reginato and Sheila Kyte and Family > Bella Cavallo Farm > Quality Norwegian Fjord Horses in Beautiful Cape Breton > <http://www.bellacavallofarm.com> www.bellacavallofarm.com > > Important FjordHorse List Links: > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
into the wall
This message is from: laura fisher Hey Everyone! Well I just want to say that the training is going very well with Elise and I. She made her first lovely trot to canter transition in the round pen, one side slightly rougher that the other. She is responsive with our endless varying circles and never fusses...We are working on lowering of the poll and stepping out on the bit at the walk. Hope my horse terminology is correct. I sometimes know what to do but not what to call it. We have a really nice indoor arena. The only thing I wish is that it didn't have this two foot high concrete edge around the perimeter and the structure is cross braced with cable. There was a lot of helmet talk going on a week or so ago and today when I put my helmet on I noticed that it was really loose but the webbing is hard to adjust so I just let it go- in fact I thought about taking it off but I figured a loose helmet is better than no helmet so I tacked up Elise and we went out into the arena. It was a good day for us. We were both in sync and I had Verdi blasting out of my speaker system and as we came around the bend of a circle at a trot Elise lost her balance and naturally I gave her her head and instead of picking herself up she fell further so that I was thrown into the concrete and head first into the sheet metal and the cable while I pulled my body back as far as I could because Elise came crashing down on me before she was able to scramble to her feet. I managed to get my legs out of the stirrups upside down. My husband heard the crash and he ran to the arena sure we were in for a trip to the emergency room, but I brushed myself off and figured where I was going to hurt (starting immediately) and I checked Elise and she was fine. We finished going around a bit just so we could get our confidence back and make it seem like it never happened. This was the classic case of- out of the blue- how could it happen- boy I am sure I had my helmet on- I think I will tighten it tomorrow- until I get a new one. Laura- Happy happy trails!!ya hoo! _ Windows 7: I wanted more reliable, now it's more reliable. Wow! http://microsoft.com/windows/windows-7/default-ga.aspx?h=myidea?ocid=PID24727 ::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_myidea:102009 Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
RE: Environment
This message is from: laura fisher Dear DeeAnna, I can understand that. My ex was first a civil ( schools and jails mostly),engineer, and then a chemical engineer where he had his own lab to dabble in. He did hazardous waste management, toxic waste clean up using altered forms of bacteria, waste treatment and occaisionally taught environmental science at the community college. His first career was in civil engineering and land management. He was very bright and I miss being confident that my questions would very likely be answered with accuracy on just about any subject. So back to "wither pads" I went to the grange and asked them what they were for and she said to fill in the concave part of the neck underneath the wither. Right on DeeAnna! Laura > Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 22:58:29 -0500 > From: coy...@acrec.com > To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com > Subject: Re: Replacing helmets > > This message is from: "coy...@acrec.com" > > > ...How do you know all of this stuff? > > The short answer is I'm a geek. The long answer is I'm a PhD engineer, > and I have taught environmental science, technical science, and physics > at the local community college. I have also worked in the fields of > industrial chemical production, hazardous waste management, plastics > manufacturing, and waste treatment. > > > ...Did you call the manufacturer to get this detailed information? > > No, that really isn't necessary. Information on why and how helmets work > is independent of any manufacturer and is fairly easy for anyone to > find. A quick Google search tonight turned up this decent article that > covers the basics: http://www.bhsi.org/general.htm > > --DeeAnna > > Important FjordHorse List Links: > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/ Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
RE: Replacing helmets
This message is from: laura fisher Deanna, How do you know all of this stuff? (seriously) I am impressed and you have convinced me to replace my helmet. ( I am cheap)...(and lazy)...I took a bad fall a couple years ago and I know it saved me. On the ground I wear it around the horses and have survived several bad side waps to my head Did you call the manufacturer to get this detailed information? I hope the people who read this are now convinced to replace what at first, seems,( but isn't ) -to be an expensive item- Last year I got wopped in the jaw as my horse grabbed his hoof back and I was very lucky-no broken jaw. Unfortunately my helmet didn't help, but that one trip to the emergency room cost one thousand dollars. Laura :) > Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 11:31:51 -0500 > From: coy...@acrec.com > To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com > Subject: Re: Replacing helmets > > This message is from: "coy...@acrec.com" > > You are comparing apples and oranges. The issue of polystyrene degrading > in a landfill is not related to a helmet keeping its full > impact-cushioning properties after years of normal handling and use. > > A helmet is designed to be a sacrificial safety item. It has to be > fragile enough to crush and deform correctly under the types of impacts > for which it was designed. > > Even during normal use and handling, a helmet will gets slightly flexed > and bumped. Over time, the polystyrene layer can become slightly > compressed and even get tiny surface fractures. Also polystyrene gets > more brittle with exposure to air pollutants and UV light. > > It isn't just the polystyrene layer that is of concern -- the outer > shell and the inner harness are also important. The outer shell spreads > the force of an impact over more area -- very important for the > polystyrene to function correctly to dissipate energy. The inner harness > keeps the helmet correctly in place during an impact. With normal use > and handling and exposure to sunlight and air, these elements will wear > and can become less effective. > > These changes resulting from normal use and time might be small, maybe > not even visible to the naked eye, but they can gradually reduce the > helmet's effectiveness. You need to be reasonably certain that the > helmet you are wearing will work the way it is supposed to work upon > impact, hence the recommendation to replace a helmet after "X" years of use. > > It hasn't come up in this discussion, but I'll also add that motorcycle > helmets or bicycle helmets are not substitutes for horse riding helmets. > Each helmet is designed for particular types of impacts, including the > direction of force and the total force, that are the most common for a > particular activity. --DeeAnna > > Corinne Logan wrote: > > ...my helmets all have styrofoam in them ... that stuff never breaks > > down in our landfills > > Important FjordHorse List Links: > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/ Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
RE: ground movement
This message is from: laura fisher Hi Heather- I tried the moving around the haunches- nose and shoulder and it worked! thank you so much! ...why have i not been able to get "trainers" to show me? I have wanted to do this for years, and even the temporary slug that Elise is - I can get on step eighter side! I like ground work because it is so peaceful and I understand more what I am supposed to do on top. > Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 03:39:44 -0700 > From: cavy_l...@yahoo.com > Subject: Re: ground movement > To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com > > This message is from: Heather Baskey > > Hi Laura > > You can also test (with moving the front or hind end) whether your horse moves like a "ball" or a "chair". > > Henry will disengage his HQ readily (move like a ball, light to the touch) and used to be a "chair" on the front end - although now he is lighter. > > When you have a chair, your goal is to achieve lightness (but in order to achieve it, you must first offer it). > > Anyhow, I love the ball/chair analogy and if you really makes you think ... get out a ball and just slightly touch it - it MOVES. Then apply that same pressure (that you gave to the ball) to a chair. What happens? > > A couple of months ago I did a review on the Parelli Success Series, "Horseanalities" and reviewed more about Left/Right Brain and Introvert/Extroverts. Moving the Front/Hind end is just one of the pieces of the puzzle. There are actually horseanality charts (again on my blog somewhere) where you check off certain characteristics (as mild/medium/extreme) and you can find your horse's general personality. Henry is predominately a Left Brain Introvert, but also scores high in the Extrovert quadrant (not for the energy level, but for the mischievousness (this may change as he gets older - he's still a baby with a HUGE curiousity factor). He has VERY few Right Brain characteristics and the ones that he does have are getting closer to the center circle as he matures. > > Back to disengagement/one-rein stops. I am not saying it will work 100% of the time, or work when you need it most - but why I practice it every time I ride is that it is one skill I will always have in my back pocket (or an extra arrow in my quiver). I practice it so it becomes "instinctual", rather than having to think about it when/if the time comes that I need to use that card. If it doesn't work - I "tried" (and sure beats do nothing at all!). Its entire premise is based on the flight line, flight reaction. Each horse has their own "flight line" (i.e., how far they will run before they "disengage" and turn to face what has caused them to run (if they run "forever", it has no use for the horse - as they will be weak for their next saber-toothed butterfly!). A TB has a nice long flight run (say about a mile and a quarter ;-)) - an Arabian will run for days ;-) - a Fjord (most) have a shorter flight line (thankfully) - but it's the disengagement > that is key to all breeds. If the rider disengages the HQ, then you are triggering the natural behavioural response in the horse to turn and face what they thought was going to kill them (i.e., what they will "eventually" do naturally - you are just speeding up the process). > > I hope/hope/hope I will never be in the situation to have to test it for real, but it's just another arrow (whether it works or not at the time) that I can pull out of my quiver, in lieu of just sitting there for the ride! > > Heather ;-) > > > > > > It will be interesting to see if Elise is a left brain or right > brain thinker! > Laura :) > > > __ > Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! > > http://www.flickr.com/gift/ > > Important FjordHorse List Links: > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/ Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
RE: helmet AMEN
This message is from: laura fisher I,too, have been saved by my helmet. Got thrown flat back on the road -hit the back of my skull on the ground... I lay there for a minute or so contemplating the likely fact that I would have been dead or a vegetable if I hadn't had it on. So what if it "don't look country" > To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com > Subject: helmet > Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 22:28:03 -0400 > From: tacke...@aol.com > > This message is from: tacke...@aol.com > > I want to reiterate and sing the praise of my helmet. It has saved my blond > head on several occasions. Chucked em afterwards and bought a new one each > time. Pavement and heads do not match. > > Also sing a second refrain of praise for breakaway stirrups and covered > stirrups. These are well worth the investment. Saved by a rubberband! > > Add this to the list of things that can spook a horseanything. > > I will say I found natural horsemanship very useful. And time time time in the > saddlewhich I never have enough of. > > Tonja with frosty Fjords and Fall in full swing > > Important FjordHorse List Links: > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f > > _ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsofts powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
RE: Elise YUP
This message is from: laura fisher Really she is SO funny sometimes.. and endearing! thanks for the info! Laura :) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 07:04:46 -0700 > From: sarahmagdalencla...@yahoo.com > Subject: Re: Elise > To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com > > This message is from: Sarah Clarke > > > It's a fjord thing. All the time I find the fjords (who have run in sheds) > standing out looking up at the rain, while the OTF are huddling in their > stalls looking offended by the weather. (We are in the foothills east of San > Diego, so the weather that is offending is VERY mild.) > > > ...and there is Elise > just the opposite with her butt and body completely out in the storm and only > her head in the dry stall! > > Important FjordHorse List Links: > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f > > _ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsofts powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
RE: ground movement
This message is from: laura fisher thank you Heather! I looked at your blog, too- besides printing out your answer to me. I will try it tomorrow. It will be interesting to see if Elise is a left brain or right brain thinker! I like your blog very much and what you are doing. I don't know much about blogs but when I am not so tired I will study yours. Again, thanks for taking the time to talk with me! Laura :) > Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 05:13:20 -0700 > From: cavy_l...@yahoo.com > Subject: Re: ground movement > To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com > > This message is from: Heather Baskey > > Oye - OK - I can try and explain this ... and will also give a link to my blog > (in the depths of my blog, you will find my PNH Level 1 audition and as messy > as it was - what I type out below is shown in the video clip - OR - search for > hvbaskey within YouTube and you will find the audition clip as well). > Anyhow! to move front end on the ground: place hand on nose of horse, other > hand on shoulder of horse. With steady pressure - move the horse over > (pressure on nose, support with shoulder). > > IF the horse shifts weight, or > takes a step - RELEASE and rub to a stop (rewarding the slightest try). Then > move from one step to two to three, etc.etc.etc. until the horse is moving > his/her front end. Do NOT let the horse move forward! Dominant (Left Brain > Thinkers) horses will resist moving their front end, but will disengage their > hind end easily. Right Brain (Insecure, Flight Mode models) will move their > front end easily and their hind end not so readily). > > Pressure Phases are > "air, hair, skin, muscle" (you want your phases to be as light as possible > which will lead itself to lightness in the saddle). > > Not sure if that helps > (or not!) - but gave it a try ;-) IF you do watch my L1 PNH audition clip, > please bear in mind that's over 6 months ago and we have improved - LOL!!! > Heather > Playing Naturally with Henry Fjord > http://digilass.wordpress.com > > if anyone can tell me how to approach the > horse to move the front hooves please let me know. > Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite > sites. Download it now > http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. > > Important FjordHorse List Links: > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/ Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Elise
This message is from: laura fisher This is the second day Elise has had her very own stall next to the other horses. We fianally got a stall empty of another neighbors' horse so Elise was rigged up in the arena--but now she is SOOhappy! Today we had out first bad rain storm so we kept the horses in, there is a lot of wind that blows branches etc. Anyway, my husband went to feed the horses and had to laugh when he noticed that all of our other horses( but not Elise) were looking out at the weather, wet to their shoulders but their behinds nice and dry ...and there is Elise just the opposite with her butt and body completely out in the storm and only her head in the dry stall! go figure ? ;) Laura _ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222985/direct/01/ Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
RE: fjordhorse-digest V2009 #195 ground movement
This message is from: laura fisher I try to check out how my horse is feeling and develop flexibility while on the ground, but I have never been able to get a horse to REALLY move one front foot over another while the hind foot pivots, in fact, I get the two- the phrases: "move on hindquarters"- "move off forefeet" (whatever...) mixed up? see? I don't even know what to call it. I am a teeny bit dyslexic and get the two mixed up even though I go over it in books. I never had a trainer who would teach me ground movements I had to learn from books, I don't think that works as well... So if anyone can tell me how to approach the horse to move the front hooves please let me know. My sweet fjord is not very quick on her toes when it comes to ground movement. I have to know where to specifically push and PUSH! once she gets it then it all starts to go together. :) > Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 18:58:13 -0700 > From: cavy_l...@yahoo.com > Subject: Re: fjordhorse-digest V2009 #195 > To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com > > This message is from: Heather Baskey > > Absolutely! I work on the ground first (pre-flight checks) and disengage, move backwards, sideways, check out transitions, etc.etc.etc. Then, once aboard - I re-check all the steps that I checked out on the ground. > > I stand by the philosophy of controlling the mind through the feet. Any horse can run through a bit! > > Check out the mind on the ground, then move it to the saddle. > > Heather (who is a firm believer in the importance and maintenance of ground work) > > > > > > i STILL do turns on the forehand, and on the hocks with him on > the ground before i even mount up. then i do them again on him. but i never > see anyone teach thatshe always told me YOU control the feet. > > laurie and oz > > > > __ > Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! > > http://www.flickr.com/gift/ > > Important FjordHorse List Links: > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f > > _ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsofts powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
laura and elise :) thank you!
This message is from: laura fisher Today my husband and I went to a trail that is hardly ever used. As you know, I had trouble with Elise on the trail. After reading all of the wonderful contributions, I followed everyones' advice. ( I think) As we started out I just kept the reins slack and let her find her own pace behind our quarter horse, "Easy" ( aptly named). Her length from Easy is about two horse lengths which I found to be encouraging. Her head was relaxed but her ears were back until three quarters of the ride, when they started to flip back and forth and also perk up here and there. If she wanted to trot, we trotted. She never fussed or misbehaved. She flattened her ears when I stroked her behind, ( because I smacked her there two days ago), but then she relaxed after that. I petted her neck a lot and told her how great she is. She followed Easy over a small stream very well, and I felt the ride was a great success. The ride was an hour long. We are going to go again tomorrow and every day it doesn't rain as we are getting into the late fall when the down pours arrive. I printed out all of the helpful replies and am going to read them frequently. One of my faults,( primarily with myself), is pushing too much- just a spur of the moment without even thinking. I do that to myself in my music, but when I was a kid and just beginning to learn it was all "baby steps". If anyone is a big fan of Darby Conleys' cartoon strip " Get Fuzzy" - at the bottom of one of his books of comic collections is this: (House rule #4)... " The Dog Is Not A Toy" and a picture of Satchel( the dog) with scratches and band aids that- Bucky, the cat, inflicted).. In my case what I need to foremost keep in mind is " The Horse is Not a Flute". :) Thank you Lisa, Sarah, Gail, Jean, Valerie and anyone else who took the time to pass on knowledge that will help me prevent dangerous mistakes and help build a wonderful relationship between me and Elise. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/ Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
beach ride.
This message is from: laura fisher This is Laura from Oregon with Elisie. Well, we went on our second beach ride. what I really I really like about the terrain is that the sand is relatively deep and the sides of the trail are relatively low. I have owned Elisie for about 90 days. I ride about five to six days a week. We do tons of ring work , which is a breeze, learning wise unless a canter is expected on the lunge line or any other time except free lunge, but we are successfully working on that. My question is that my mare has definite issues on the trail. Her previous owner used her as a kids horse trail horse. A first she would not take a bridle or pick up her feet. We fixed that pretty easily. While she will gladly work with me in the ring, she behaves differently out side. #1- If you want to lead the trail ride she will(it seems) happily do that for quite a ways so you would think the problem has been overcome.. then all at once she plants her feet and refuses to go forward. I am glad I have done tons of disengaging of the hind quarters and limbering exercises and riding of circles. She will start spinning and tend to want to get off the trail and into brush or hilly areas, but if I start the suppeling exercises she will quite happily do them and quiet down. Then I ask to go forward and the fight begins. Backing her up doesn't work. I have tried yelling her forward, smacking her and last resort kicking her. nothing. Finally I settle for two and a half steps forward. I patted her and followed my husband. It looked like she thought I had "won". #2- my husband says I ask too much of her on the trail. Ask her once or twice to hold back and stop, but don't keep doing it during the whole ride. Don't try to lead far at all, just lead a little and then follow for the rest of the ride. She does quite well standing still while my husbands' horse goes ahead, but not when I keep asking. I guess I would like a time perspective of how much and how long should I bring the things we work successfully in the arena into "real life" Also, I don't know why but all of a sudden she flew up in the air like ( I hope) a bee had stung her. I stayed on fine but shoulders and arms were sore afterwards...I had been in the middle of letting her catch up to my husbands' horse .Of course she was bolting ahead not listening to me which I was trying to work on at the time... I don't know if I caused the explosion , she stood still after that and we followed my husband back to the trailer. She was really sweaty and since I keep her in great shape she must have been stressed. (?) At least I feel much safer on the sand. I guess I should say I am a classical musician with a pretty fierce drive towards my own perfection and I think that can really get in the way. (practice perfection more practice perfection. you get the idea) How much should I do ? Just ride the winter following my husbands' horse , concentrate on the indoor and nothing else, or continue to work on these problems and how much? >From some of what I read in the forum there are people that take the imperfections in stride,even laugh about it. Then seem to enjoy the ride in spite of the rodeo. Maybe don't even try to correct them. Sometimes I think they are just way better riders than me. Well, time to get working and clean stalls! Have a great day/night everyone! Laura :) _ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/ Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
RE: fjord digest- welcome Julie! Lola
This message is from: laura fisher Hi Lola- I live on the coast in a town called North Bend. Actually they mushed the two towns ( Coos Bay)together and call it Coos bay/ North Bend. The coast is beautiful here even with the old mills sprawled along the river, dead,(the mills) but we have a very nice horse camp about ten minutes from where we live. It is called "Horsefall Camp". I have my days and nights free to horse around and I am very fortunate for that. We moved to a new home and I have an indoor arena. I am so thankful I try to use it every day. My fjord, Elisie, and I have only know each other for about 90 days. ... I have three other horses. In fact my husband and I took a ride on the dunes today. This part of the coast is a big draw for ATV'S but they stay away from the camp. Tomorrow I am going to write to the forum about my experiences today out on the trail. It got pretty hairy there for awhile. I am getting a lot of help from the forum and I am following their suggestions. It is helping me not make quite so many mistakes and bring the knowledge that I do know together. I know this is more information than you asked for. do you live in Oregon? Laura :) > Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 09:07:01 -0700 > Subject: Re: fjord digest- welcome Julie! > From: lolal...@gmail.com > To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com > > This message is from: Lola Lahr > > Where do you live in Oregon, Laura? > > > > > > _ > > Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. > > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/ > > > > Important FjordHorse List Links: > > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > > FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > > Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f > > Important FjordHorse List Links: > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f > > _ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/ Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
gaming horses
This message is from: laura fisher Is there anything wrong by teaching a horse to game? Does it reduce their chances of being trained for other disciplines'? Do people pay high prices for them ? (better home, maybe) _ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsofts powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
RE: fjord digest- welcome Julie!
This message is from: laura fisher Welcome Julie! I am new to the forum also! You should be expecting many kind people to contact you into the group! New Zealand? I live in Oregon. A friend told me New Zealand resembles Oregon, (and vice versa) USA, where I live . How many Fjords do you have? I have one. A mare. 9 years old. Elisie. Laura :) > To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com > From: i...@funnyfrenchcars.co.nz > Subject: fjord digest > Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 21:45:02 +1300 > > This message is from: Julie ~ Funny French Cars > > Hi is this how i post on the digest?? cheers julie from new zealand > > Important FjordHorse List Links: > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f > > _ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/ Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
RE: Laura: another question
This message is from: laura fisher ...It took a few days...( I like to reread my stuff) but once I thought about it you are right- she is unbalanced. I have seen so much improvement in her but I have a tendency to expect too much too quickly. When I think about her movement when I am on her back I think it is precisely that. Thank you. > Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 20:33:15 -0500 > From: coy...@acrec.com > To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com > Subject: Re: Laura: another question > > This message is from: "coy...@acrec.com" > > > ...I thought that a fjord might have special needs > > ...my mare has a trot ... with a break-neck -like speed > > ...it feels like I am going to topple over her... > > Well, I don't know that Fjords have "special needs" in the saddle fit > department, more than other breeds. They do tend to be stockier through > the body and often have rounder withers, but some Morgans and Quarter > Horses have a similar body type. > > I am guessing the wither pad you refer to is a pad meant more for use > with horses that have prominent withers and little or no muscling or fat > right below the withers. > > As you describe it, your mare's "break neck" speed sounds more like she > is unbalanced and is "falling forward" in the trot, rather than a saddle > fit problem. Hard to say without seeing her -- and I'm not a trainer, so > I can't offer any suggestions to help her. > > DeeAnna > > Important FjordHorse List Links: > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f > > _ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222984/direct/01/ Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
RE: hang on
This message is from: laura fisher I had a horse that would "itch" his face on its knees- and then go down. I was told to always watch out for the itch and lift the reins and kick him forward immediately > Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 22:14:20 -0500 > From: coy...@acrec.com > To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com > Subject: Re: hang on > > This message is from: "coy...@acrec.com" > > plumg...@pon.net wrote: > > I cannot figure out why a horse would want to go down in a shallow creek with > > rocks all over the streambed > > Well, I can't figure it out either, Gail, but the fact remains that it > happens. I have personally seen it happen to other riders several times > and almost had it happen to me once. > > In EVERY case in my personal experience, the horse DID strike the water > several times with a front hoof shortly before attempting to lie down. I > do not mean to say they ALWAYS paw before lying down, but in my > experience, the pawing is strongly linked to lying down in the water. > > On the same note, I ~occasionally~ see the same pawing behavior right > before a horse lies down in the pasture. Even though it does not happen > every time on land, it happens often enough on water and on land that I > associate this pawing with the act of lying down. > > In the cases I can attest to, one was a small solid-granite pool up in > the west Texas hills, water depth of about a foot. The rider had stopped > to let his horse drink. When the horse had his fill, he started to paw. > I warned the rider to get his horse moving, but he didn't react fast > enough. After pawing several times, the horse calmly laid down in the > water. The rider got a foot briefly trapped under the horse and came out > of it with some good bruises. The horse got several abrasions and cuts > on its legs as it struggled to get up on the slippery rocks. > > The other two times I have experienced this behavior were in the Yellow > River here in northeastern Iowa. It has a rocky limestone bottom, the > depth ranges from 12" to 24", and the width ranges from 100 to 200 feet. > Same basic story as the Texas incident, but no injuries to the riders or > horses either time, thank goodness. > > And some years ago my mare Sissel, after taking a drink on a hot day, > started to paw and get "weak in the knees". Thankfully, I got her moving > across the river again before she went down. Once they get moving, their > "sinking spell" seems to evaporate and they're fine. > > --DeeAnna > > Important FjordHorse List Links: > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/ Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
RE: hang on
This message is from: laura fisher ...we were crossing a wide stream on a hot day- and my friends swore- no kidding- that my horse just wanted to cool off... he just had that look of it. The moment he remembered I was on his back he scrambled to his feet and it was a good thing for us to all laugh about. i only got wet up to my knees.saddle was fine :) > From: fjo...@frontiernet.net > To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com > Subject: Re: Re: hang on > Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 18:11:34 -0600 > > This message is from: "ruth bushnell" > > > This message is from: "plumg...@pon.net" > > > I cannot figure out why a horse would want to go down in a shallow creek > > with > > rocks all over the streambed. Seems like they should know it would hurt > > their > > backs? > > > > Gail > > > > RIGHT, GAIL, in all my year's of horse experience, in the "outback," > I have never known of a horse that wanted to get down > in a stream, I don't believe that's why they strike the water with their > hooves. > > Ruthie, nw mt, US > > Important FjordHorse List Links: > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/ Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
RE: hang on- thanks DeeAnna
This message is from: laura fisher Dear DeeAnna, Thank you for helping me the other day with saddle wither padding problems. I think I am on the way to solving it. About the conversation on rolling horses and unwanted baths: I also had the unfortunate experience of being almost rolled on. I dragged my leg out from under him in time with my riding friends screaming-"get out of there! get out! he's going to roll over you!" amongst other things. Unfortunately I do not live close to any trainers. Trail riding is very different than ring riding, I think anyway... I wish I had support of this forum when I was working with my Morgan now that I am faced with trails later in life. ( I trail rode all the time in my thirties-different horse) I might have been able to overcome my fears as we could work it out together. I guess, like marriages, sometimes too many tears and feelings of failure ( and fear) can kill a relationship. I recognize that if I had had help in the beginning with this horse I could have overcome it. But now I just can't and don't want to. (with my Morgan) It is people like you ( and the forum) that can mean so much. ( I have experienced the water trick, also. ) Thanks, and have a good day/night! Laura > Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 11:34:47 -0500 > From: coy...@acrec.com > To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com > Subject: Re: hang on > > This message is from: "coy...@acrec.com" > > On the same note, if you are riding through water and your horse starts > to splash with a front hoof, encourage the horse IMMEDIATELY to move on. > > Your horse is getting ready to lay down and get you, your expensive > saddle, and said horse very, very wet -- at the very least. If your foot > or leg gets trapped and you go under water, the consequences could be > even more disastrous. > > If you've never encountered this before, it can be tempting to just sit > there and think, "Awww, that's cute" as the water droplets go flying in > the sunlight. DON'T! If your horse starts to get "weak in the knees" to > lie down, it may be too late to prevent a dunking. > > --DeeAnna > > > For the rolling in sand while you are on board ? Use a crop. Spurs. > > A bat. Its a bad habit, but a habit only > > Important FjordHorse List Links: > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f > > _ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsofts powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
new email address for Laura
This message is from: Laura Fisher Hi everyone, I am hoping this puts me back on the forum. Please let me know if this new email number does the job. Thanks, Laura Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
RE: Laura: another question
This message is from: laura fisher Dear DeeAnna, Thank you for your response. I did not know there were that many trees. Considering the breadth of them I am afraid I would have to travel the entire United States, with my horse in tow, to find a saddle that would fit me and my horse. I printed your reply for future reference. Out in the boon docks as I am, up until I became active on the internet,( yuck) I have had to rely on personal experience. (or my reaching out to a forum). My experience with saddles, is with dressage saddles, and circle y flex 's ( and other saddles over the years-no named). I thought that a fjord might have special needs because unlike any other horse I have ridden- my mare has a trot that goes with a break-neck -like speed I have never seen or experienced... it feels like I am going to topple over her while she tries not to canter. I would have to really exaggerate my position backwards to not move forward. I have owned horses since I was a kid and I hope I have improved from the fetal position by now, especially with all those darn dressage lessons. I would say I am an intermediate rider. I have an independent seat. I do not know much about western saddle padding, having moved out here from the east coast, but in the dressage and three day event barn I boarded in, I saw many kinds of padding placement to compensate for saddle and rider. In the western world I have seen what is called a wither pad. I assumed it was to raise the saddle off the withers. I could be wrong because I never asked anybody I just read the label. I guess I was really asking whether anyone else experienced this, and if they had what did they do. I do not mean to hurt my horse, but you are right, done poorly any saddle /rider combination if not fit right, can go badly. I didn't give it a thought that it would go badly because I know how to fit a saddle. But I have never owned a fjord. If people are telling me there is no anatomical difference between a fjord and other "horses" then I will toss my lists of questions into the air and figure she is like any other horse. I was just trying to explore and come up with a solution to a wonderful animal that behaves and handles differently. She is fantastic! Otherwise, I will spend however long it takes me to get her supple enough to make clean trot /canter transitions and hope that will make the problem go away. But in the meantime, on the trail, with other horses that may get her excited, I was hoping I could position the saddle ( or buy a saddle) so that I could ride out that trot as I would any other horses I have owned: Arab, quarter horses, appy/draft, morgan, - and feel more comfortable in the saddle, riding at what might potentially be a break neck trotting speed. Safety stops aside...Accidents do happen. Happy trails :) Sincerely, Laura ;) > Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 18:39:42 -0500 > From: coy...@acrec.com > To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com > Subject: Re: Laura: another question > > This message is from: "coy...@acrec.com" > > Saddles with different tree widths don't necessarily look especially > different. And even if you could see the difference from the front or > back in a photo, that doesn't tell you anything about the fit in the > middle of the saddle. Trained hands are required to correctly evaluate > saddle fit. > > And, on that note, it's not "regular" tree vs. full quarter horse bars. > The term "regular" is not used in the saddle industry, as far as I am > aware. There are Arab trees, full quarter horse bars, semi quarter horse > bars, draft trees, wide trees, extra wide trees, etc. -- no standardized > terminology and no standardized tree shapes. You have to evaluate the > fit of a particular tree on your specific horse, rather than trust to > the names. > > > Also, considering the regular bar saddle fits, can a wedge be put in front... > > Think about it -- you have a pair of shoes that fit great. If the shoes > fit without an insole, they fit WITHOUT THE INSOLE. Pretty much the same > for a saddle. Yes, you can pad a too big saddle to fit better, but it > makes no sense to put more padding under a "just right" or too small saddle. > > If you feel like you are falling forward, saddle fit might ... or might > not ... be the problem. Assuming it's the saddle -- look at where your > saddle is placed -- too far back perhaps? The low part of the seat > should be about where the lowest part of the horse's back is. > > Is the saddle the right size for you? If the seat is too big or too > small or if the shape is not right for your anatomy, that can affect how > you sit. > > Another issue is stirrup placement -- they might be placed incorrectly > for you. Stirrup placement is usually fixed and probably won't be
RE: laura: 7/8 rigging
This message is from: laura fisher Hi Shawna, I understand a little about the rigging together from the tiny print on the circl y s' web page.you said it keeps the cinch from rubbing the horse...does that also keep the saddle over the cinch and is there a balance benefit to that? Is balance what the dee placement is all about or is it the animals comfort? Do certain positions help the rider in different instances, ie,cutting, reining, pleasure etc? can it just help the saddle fit the horse better? Am I just making too much out of this? ...who cares...well the Dees are there for some reason... Thanks for answering! Laura > From: caseacre...@msn.com > To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com > Subject: Re: laura: 7/8 rigging > Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 15:20:24 -0700 > > This message is from: > > Laura, > I own a circle Y flex-lite with the "double D" rigging and I do use > both D's when cinching. With both dees, it gives you 3 options for cinch > placement, front, back or middle-using both dees. Works really well for me, > keeps cinch out of horses armpit, and seems to help keep saddle positioned > correctly. This has been a fabulous saddle that I like as much as when I > bought it 5 years ago, Hope this helps, Shawna in OR > > -- > From: "laura fisher" > a circle y that has two horizontal "d" rings > > on each side..what is the purpose of one D ring over the other- do you use > > both at the same time? > > Important FjordHorse List Links: > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f > > _ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/ Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
breeding
This message is from: laura fisher I have Elisies' conformation scores in front of me...how do I interpret them? Where do I go to find out whether her sire and dam were any good? and her ancestors? Will this help me with choosing how I should train her and what I should expect from her? What does this mean for the future. Will it determine whether she should ever be bred? just wondering- there is a fjord magazine? Below? _ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsofts powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Laura: another question
This message is from: laura fisher Hi! :) Is it possible to put a photo on the forum of a regular tree saddle on my hosre verses a fqhb saddle for forum input, so I know what to buy? Also, considering the regular bar saddle fits ,can a wedge be put in front, (under the blanket) so I don't feel like I am going to fall off my horse at a fast trot, let alone a canter? Without withers or shoulder? there doesn't feel like anything is there. Is it just my lowly riding abilities? (don't worry- it won't hurt my feelings) :) is there a different solution or is that it? _ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222985/direct/01/ Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
laura: 7/8 rigging
This message is from: laura fisher Hey there- I am looking at flex lite circle-y s' and they have some saddles that have 7/8 rigging--can anyone explain that to me and also give me the benefits compared to a regular saddle? I also own a circle y that has two horizontal "d" rings on each side..what is the purpose of one D ring over the other- do you use both at the same time? _ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222984/direct/01/ Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
RE: Amy from Laura
This message is from: laura fisher Amy... How do I bypass the forum and talk directly to you? Also, did you mean I highlight in blue what I want to DELETE or do I want to Highlight what I DON'T want to delete? ...Inquiring minds want to know :) Laura ps: did you recieve any postings yesterday? > To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com > Subject: Re: really ? That is good news > Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 12:02:39 -0400 > From: fjord...@aol.com > > This message is from: Amy Evers > > Although you can never be 100% sure there are not any meat buyers among the bidders, the Hermiston Horse Sale is one of the oldest in the NW and has always had a good reputation. > > > > I guess a lot would depend on whether these folks are consigning them to the Horse Sale, or hauling them to the weekly livestock auction.? > > > > Amy Evers > Dun Lookin' Fjords > Cottage Grove OR 97424 > > > -Original Message- > From: pedfjo...@aol.com > To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com > Sent: Mon, Sep 28, 2009 2:42 pm > Subject: really ? That is good news > > > > This message is from: pedfjo...@aol.com > > so Hermiston does NOT sell to the meat buyers ? Lisa > > Important FjordHorse List Links: > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f > > Important FjordHorse List Links: > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f > > _ Hotmail® has ever-growing storage! Dont worry about storage limits. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/Storage?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial _Storage_062009 Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
where is everyone?
This message is from: laura fisher Hi- this is Laura. Where is everyone? _ Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail®. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutoria l_QuickAdd_062009 Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
RE:has someone?
This message is from: laura fisher >>>Has some one done something about this? I have a barn full of horses and stress up to my ears , but- my gosh- Myrtle point is just down the ROAD.!!! Gow much do they want? Laura > From: pedfjo...@aol.com > Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 19:03:09 -0400 > Subject: well, THAT just > To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com > > This message is from: pedfjo...@aol.com > > S U C K S. > > > 2 mares, NFHR, in Myrtle Point, OR. selling with the threat of " going to > auction in Hermiston OR. Oct. 16th " if not sold by then. Lovely. Not priced > high, someone go get them please, dig a bit on Dreamhorse, no photo ad. I > would call, but I might say something unbecoming. Really like the one mares > bloodlines, Karibu X Milli, like a couple of mine.geeesh, whats the rush > to auction here ? > Lisa > > Important FjordHorse List Links: > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f > > _ Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail®. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutoria l_QuickAdd_062009 Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
RE: Laura on tail rubbing
This message is from: laura fisher ny Hi there- When my husband ended up in ICU for five weeks and other people had to feed out horses, we left them in the pasture day and night. My husband happened to become ill on the very day we were to move into this "farm". The pasture here is much lower than where we kept them before the move. When we came back and my husband was still very sick I didn't have much time but to feed them and take them in and out. After he got better I noticed that most of the horses tails were really rubbed, some ribbed. Two of the horses had rubbed the hair off their flanks and also their manes. the vet called it "sweet itch"...Tiny flying insects the some horses are allergic to. We had an awful time of it. The vet gave them some cortisone. I used this potion the grange insisted would work. I got the sheets and head/ neck jammie thngs(snuglies?) out. Most of it didn't help. I felt like a horrible horse owner until I looked it up and saw that everywhere horses have this problem. Then I came upon the :Boett Blanket" It originated in Sweden twenty years ago and is supposes to REALLY WORK. I do not have one yet but I intend to. Another product people swear by is "Skin So Soft" by Avon. I guess you dilute itSome people have tried any produt that contains Bebzyl Benoate I know all of this because one day all at once I noticed Elise's tail was getting scratched...it didn't take me long to envision that beautiful mane being ruined.. I treat her with a nine day fly spray and use a sheet especially at dusk or dawn.. I hope you son't have Sweet Itch > From: magicm...@roadrunner.com > To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com > Subject: tail rubbing > Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 14:23:59 -0400 > > This message is from: "Beth" > > Hello list, > Anyone have any suggestions for horses that rub their tails??? Is this a > Fjord thing??? My mare continues to make a mess of her tail by rubbing it.. > I keep it clean, she is wormed regularly and I keep her clean in and around > her udder. > We have wood fences now with wire on the inside to keep varmits out. I'm > thinking we need a couple strands of hot wire. Wondering if this is just a > habit with her. She makes it look like it feels so good that even the > arab has started.. but not nearly as much as the fjord.:) My hubby is not > happy with having to fix broken boards so often.. sighhh > Thanks for any thoughts you may have on this subject. > Beth > in Maine where the weather has been beautiful but we are getting rain today. > > Important FjordHorse List Links: > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f > > _ Hotmail® has ever-growing storage! Dont worry about storage limits. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/Storage?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial _Storage_062009 Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
RE: Laura selling saddles
This message is from: laura fisher ...I know how wonderful this saddle is. I tried many dressage saddles and after a half hour or so riding dressage they would become torture devices. (To anyone out there who knows me I lived in NJ for a few years and was lucky enough to keep my horse at a dressage barn. ) I had no clue what saddle to buy so I begged other riders if I could try theirs'. Some people were gracious and other were emphatically notThen someone in the barn came in on an Albion.A...I will never forget it.! ...I asked if I could possibly sit in it and the answer was "yes" ..Oh my GOSH! This saddle is made for women! The problem is that I have lost over 50+ pounds and it doesn't feel right. Elise hated it and I couldn't stay balanced...I could try one more time? I intend to jump and do ring work, but can anyone tell me this is the problem? I am not going to gain the weight back so I can ride the saddle... :( I guess someone will scoff this baby up. ;( > Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 18:29:39 + > From: dgant...@comcast.net > To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com > Subject: Re: selling saddles > > This message is from: dgant...@comcast.net > > --Go on the Albion website, they usually have a link to used saddles - > dimensions - etc. I LOVE my Albion on my 'wider' traditional fjord, Olav, it > has a nice deep seat, super comfortable...I bought it used, on ebay, for > $1000.00 free shipping - about 6 yrs ago, they can tell you where to look on > the flaps for the info re: size etc. I will recommend this saddle to > anyonemy son has competed in it - eventing- and our eventing horse "Bjorn" > loves wearing it...Albions are worth their weight in goldgood luck! > This message is from: laura fisher > > Hello out there- > > > > I own an Albion Original Comfort dressage saddle that I want to sell. I have > looked on the internet and have seen that it has actually held its' price, > even a little more, but when I check some dressage used saddle sites they list > them around $950.00 and not the $1200.or more. This is because of the > "recession". > > > > My problem is: how do I represent this saddle? I don't know how wide the > gullet is(do they have a gullet?- do I list the flaps the billets the wool > pading etc.etc. or do I just assume they know what An Albion Origi > > > > I had a quarterhorse when I used it so I think it has a wide tree. But is the > gullet in front?Underneath?... I was wondering whether I could use a > measureing tape so someone would know all the dimensions and put the photos in > my ad. Would their knowing the dimendsions inable them to purchace the saddle > with confidence? The saddle is in great shape- just a tiny scrape on the front > edge(gullet?) I do not want to get into returns policy for such a heavy objec > espcially when I am not going to get top dollar for it. Has anyone gone > through this process? ...I waant to get it out there and get it on Ebay as > soon as I can because I need a saddle to fit my Fjord. > > > > Thanks! > > > > laura > > _ > Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail�. > http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutoria > l_QuickAdd_062009 > > Important FjordHorse List Links: > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f > > Important FjordHorse List Links: > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f > > _ Microsoft brings you a new way to search the web. Try Bing now http://www.bing.com?form=MFEHPG&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MFEHPG_Core_tagline_try bing_1x1 Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Laura asks-where do they go?
This message is from: laura fisher I have written a couple other monologues that I was quite proud of and I have noticed that they never saw the light of day- here on the forumdo we get butted out sometimes? Are there technical difficulties with the forum or do I just mess up and send them to who knows whom or where? Just want to know. _ Lauren found her dream laptop. Find the PC thats right for you. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/choosepc/?ocid=ftp_val_wl_290 Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
selling saddles
This message is from: laura fisher Hello out there- I own an Albion Original Comfort dressage saddle that I want to sell. I have looked on the internet and have seen that it has actually held its' price, even a little more, but when I check some dressage used saddle sites they list them around $950.00 and not the $1200.or more. This is because of the "recession". My problem is: how do I represent this saddle? I don't know how wide the gullet is(do they have a gullet?- do I list the flaps the billets the wool pading etc.etc. or do I just assume they know what An Albion Origi I had a quarterhorse when I used it so I think it has a wide tree. But is the gullet in front?Underneath?... I was wondering whether I could use a measureing tape so someone would know all the dimensions and put the photos in my ad. Would their knowing the dimendsions inable them to purchace the saddle with confidence? The saddle is in great shape- just a tiny scrape on the front edge(gullet?) I do not want to get into returns policy for such a heavy objec espcially when I am not going to get top dollar for it. Has anyone gone through this process? ...I waant to get it out there and get it on Ebay as soon as I can because I need a saddle to fit my Fjord. Thanks! laura _ Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail®. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutoria l_QuickAdd_062009 Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Laura and Here's my (sort of) happy topic ...poultry
This message is from: laura fisher Hi- my husband bought two Muscovey ducks last winter. This is our first "farm". Its not a farm, really just a house and some stalls and an indoor arena. (plus 53 acres) Anyway, his first big deal was to buy two Muscovey ducks. I thought it was a great idea--never having seen a Muscovey duck. When he brought two in a grain sack and let them out I couldn't believe how ugly they were! They looked to me like vultures on ducky bodies. There was a lot of chiding from not just me but any one that saw them. It was only I who knew how truly this hurt my poor husbands' feelings... He REALLY loved those ducks... Well our pond is quite small and there is a plethora of raccoons . Now you know the storys' sad endingbut- no- it wasnt the raccoons after all it was the dog of the man who bales our hay! My husband had to witness his beloved male Muscovery being wrung to death before his very eyes! My husband was depressed for many days. I felt terrible I had made such fun of it. Only the female was left and she was dejected. She hid in the back of the pond behind the reeds.-obviously deeply depressed... A few days later we had to go to the grange for grain and what not, and while we were there they had a couple of Blue Dutch baby ducks peeping . Terribly excited my husband brought them home. When we came down to feed the horses the next morning it was hard to believe, but that Muscovey had taken them in as her very own. Her depression lifted and she was in heavenSpeaking of heaven I hope the raccoons don't get them this winter Any suggestions? > From: weeg...@hotmail.com > To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com > Subject: RE: Here's my (sort of) happy topic ...poultry > Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 17:28:59 + > > This message is from: Karen McCarthy > > Yikes, this brings back only fond memories of the Guinea hens we had. We had > 6, and they excelled at scavenging bugs, etc > > They were a bit loud at times, but we put up with it. > > The funniest thing though was they really liked to hang out under my stallion > Sven when he slept standing up after eating his breakfast, and some of them > that were laying, would only lay eggs in feeder. As soon as you fed they would > fight amongst themselves to sit on his flake of hay, and as he ate it, of > course they would drop lower and lower until there were just bars, but we'd > always find 2 or 3 eggs in the bottom of the feeder which Sven graciously ate > around and did not disturb. > > Sadly Guinea fowl aren't the brightest bunch...they absolutely refused to go > in their coop at night. They liked to roost at night up on the ridgeline of > the barn. So it didn't take long for one of the local owls to figure this out > and so in just over a week, one by one, they were picked off. > > > > :: Karen McCarthy :: Great Basin Fjords :: Madras, Oregon :: > > > > > http://www.picturetrail.com/weegees > > Important FjordHorse List Links: > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f > > _ Bing brings you maps, menus, and reviews organized in one place. Try it now. http://www.bing.com/search?q=restaurants&form=MLOGEN&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_M LOGEN_Core_tagline_local_1x1 Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
RE: Harness
This message is from: laura fisher Dear Tonja, Good to meet you. I would love a list of appropriate saddles. I am needing one soon. Sincerely, Laura > From: tacke...@aol.com > To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com > Subject: Harness > Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 13:36:38 -0400 > > This message is from: Tonja Acker-Richards > > Curious. Would a marathon harness be adaptable to meadowbrook type cart? > > Also I am consolidating a list of fjord approved :) saddles based on > riders recommendations that I'll post herelater. Anyone else want to > addtheir favorite western English or endurance saddle choices for > fjordies. > > Tonja Acker-Richards > > Important FjordHorse List Links: > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f > > _ Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail®. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutoria l_QuickAdd_062009 Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
RE: Happy Topic?
This message is from: laura fisher All For It! Laura > From: jhalst7...@aol.com > Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 07:22:19 -0400 > Subject: Happy Topic? > To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com > > This message is from: jhalst7...@aol.com > > Please can we get back to talking about happy things? I very rarely post > to this list but I always read it and I am tired of crying everyday > remembering my losses and reading about yours. The Kleenex bill is mounting! > > We are having 80 degree weather in CT and Patrick is sweating with a winter > coat that equals a full winter coat for most breeds. Great for hiding all > the dust he loves to roll in :-) > > Carol 'n Patrick in CT > > Important FjordHorse List Links: > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f > > _ Hotmail® has ever-growing storage! Dont worry about storage limits. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/Storage?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial _Storage_062009 Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
RE: did I ever send this?
This message is from: laura fisher I am sorry I made that mistake. I am sure it will happen again but I will make an effort to correct myself and get help frome one of my sixteen year old twins (step) . It is amazing what they can do. Have a good day/night Laura > Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 21:57:30 -0600 > From: starfiref...@usa.net > To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com > Subject: Re: did I ever send this? > > This message is from: Starfire Farm > > Hello Laura, > > Yes, you sent it to the list. I don't know if you intended it to go > privately or not. I don't have that much time for the e-mail list, so > you'll have to excuse my lack of response. Sounds like you are doing > good work with your horse. Good luck with her. > > Beth > > laura fisher wrote: > > >This message is from: laura fisher > > > >Hello Beth, > > > >I think I will take your advice to heart. when I get home I will take her back > >into the arena and try a walk and then a trot on the lunge line. I think that > >will go fine. I willl ride her in big/small/traveling circles all over the > >place and I will go around the poles (trot) and other obstacles so we don't go > >crazy with boredom. ...I am a little leery of trail riding but there IS a > >trail on the valley road that I have taken her on by myself- ( again, she did > >some testing, but not much) -and I think I should ride with a friend first > >before going it alone. Unfortunately we do not get cell phone service here, > >but that road gets lots of traffic (slow). > > > >The reason I am anxious to not use the round pen into the winter is that I > >live in a temperate rainforest and my pen will be under ground shortly. I CAN > >bring it indoors but it will eliminate all that cone/pole fun. If I have to I > >could move it in and then take it out when she has gained her balance and is a > >"good girl"...The round pen would turn into a 40 foot ( ten feet each side) > >instead of the 60 and I think the larger the circle for cantering the better. > > > >I am hoping that after enough circles while I am riding her and what not there > >will come a time when she will just break into a nice slow canter on her own. > >Wishful thinking? > > > >I used alot of ground work to get my Morgan to respect me. I just wasn't able > >to get us working together. I have had him for three years. He was a stud > >for five years before I bought him and just couldn't shake the dominaton > >thing. I have a trainer who comes in to ride him and I have just put him up > >for sale. He is too talented and beautiful and an advanced person needs to > >ride him. He loves always being given a challenge he can focus on. > > > >I wanted a Fjord because I hoped that I would not have to be constantly > >vigilent every time I want to ride her. PLEASE say this is true...I do love > >ground work and am looking forward to starting it., Elise is very stiff and I > >can tell she knows nothing about it. I use a little bit of everything. > > > >I am feeling so much better talking with you. I am not ALONE > > > >Laura > > > > > > > >>Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 07:58:09 -0600 > >>From: starfiref...@usa.net > >>To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com > >>Subject: Re: hello again > >> > >>This message is from: Starfire Farm > >> > >>Hello Laura, > >> > >>Your problem is fairly common, simply because Fjords are so intelligent > >>and many are not taught to lunge properly. > >> > >>Your idea is on the right track. You need to break down the act of > >>lunging into smaller steps and teach her that what you really want is > >>for her to stay in a circle around you. Let the canter not be the most > >>important thing. Use small circles at first, just so she gets the idea > >>about staying with you. Gradually work in larger circles, greater speed, > >>until you are sure she understands and won't leave. Then maybe try for > >>the canter. > >> > >>I would use the round pen, only for easier containment if she decides to > >>leave you again. If she does leave, don't punish her, just start over > >>and take even smaller steps. > >> > >>You did not say how old your mare was. If she is young, you must be very > >>careful not to do too much of this work because it can damage developing > >>joints. > >> > >>Good luck and have fun, > >> > >>Beth > >> > >>laura fisher wrote: > >> > >> >
RE: did I ever send this?
This message is from: laura fisher Hello Beth, I think I will take your advice to heart. when I get home I will take her back into the arena and try a walk and then a trot on the lunge line. I think that will go fine. I willl ride her in big/small/traveling circles all over the place and I will go around the poles (trot) and other obstacles so we don't go crazy with boredom. ...I am a little leery of trail riding but there IS a trail on the valley road that I have taken her on by myself- ( again, she did some testing, but not much) -and I think I should ride with a friend first before going it alone. Unfortunately we do not get cell phone service here, but that road gets lots of traffic (slow). The reason I am anxious to not use the round pen into the winter is that I live in a temperate rainforest and my pen will be under ground shortly. I CAN bring it indoors but it will eliminate all that cone/pole fun. If I have to I could move it in and then take it out when she has gained her balance and is a "good girl"...The round pen would turn into a 40 foot ( ten feet each side) instead of the 60 and I think the larger the circle for cantering the better. I am hoping that after enough circles while I am riding her and what not there will come a time when she will just break into a nice slow canter on her own. Wishful thinking? I used alot of ground work to get my Morgan to respect me. I just wasn't able to get us working together. I have had him for three years. He was a stud for five years before I bought him and just couldn't shake the dominaton thing. I have a trainer who comes in to ride him and I have just put him up for sale. He is too talented and beautiful and an advanced person needs to ride him. He loves always being given a challenge he can focus on. I wanted a Fjord because I hoped that I would not have to be constantly vigilent every time I want to ride her. PLEASE say this is true...I do love ground work and am looking forward to starting it., Elise is very stiff and I can tell she knows nothing about it. I use a little bit of everything. I am feeling so much better talking with you. I am not ALONE Laura > Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 07:58:09 -0600 > From: starfiref...@usa.net > To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com > Subject: Re: hello again > > This message is from: Starfire Farm > > Hello Laura, > > Your problem is fairly common, simply because Fjords are so intelligent > and many are not taught to lunge properly. > > Your idea is on the right track. You need to break down the act of > lunging into smaller steps and teach her that what you really want is > for her to stay in a circle around you. Let the canter not be the most > important thing. Use small circles at first, just so she gets the idea > about staying with you. Gradually work in larger circles, greater speed, > until you are sure she understands and won't leave. Then maybe try for > the canter. > > I would use the round pen, only for easier containment if she decides to > leave you again. If she does leave, don't punish her, just start over > and take even smaller steps. > > You did not say how old your mare was. If she is young, you must be very > careful not to do too much of this work because it can damage developing > joints. > > Good luck and have fun, > > Beth > > laura fisher wrote: > > >This message is from: laura fisher > > > >I have had a problem lunging my fjord, Elise. I bought her from a woman that > >let her children ride her on trails. As a result, Elise learned that she does > >not have to canter. I thought starting on a 60 foot lunge line would remedy > >this, but instead she is so strong that when I ask her to canter she pulls > >away and the line is pulled out of my hands ...and I am a VERY strong person. > >I have tried lunging her in the 60 foot round pen but I do not think this is > >going to work. I am wondering if I should just do lots and lots of slow > >circles, some at a walk, some at a trot. ...But I really need some input . I > >want to get her cantering away but I want to do it right. This is very > >frustrating. She has a lovely slow trot. > > > >_ > >Microsoft brings you a new way to search the web. Try Bing now > >http://www.bing.com?form=MFEHPG&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MFEHPG_Core_tagline_t ry > >bing_1x1 > > > >Important FjordHorse List Links: > >Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > >FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > >Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Starfire Farm > Beth Beymer and Sandy North > http://www.starfirefarm.com > > Impor
a good day
This message is from: laura fisher Hello everyone, I have reading everyones' contribution and I can feel my fjord brain cells growing. .. Today's training went very well with Elise ,thanks to another member filling me in on my mares' past training. Once I learned that she knew pretty much nothing then I had a starting place, plus, now I really appreciate how quickly she is learning. Today we started to learn to move away to pressure. I also lunged her at a walk without the stud chain. Then we did circles indoors and outdoors and then had a nice cool bath. A cloudless sky- a gentle breeze... Ahhh! what a good day! _ Microsoft brings you a new way to search the web. Try Bing now http://www.bing.com?form=MFEHPG&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MFEHPG_Core_tagline_try bing_1x1 Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
RE: hello again
This message is from: laura fisher Hello Beth, I think I will take your advice to heart. when I get home I will take her back into the arena and try a walk and then a trot on the lunge line. I think that will go fine. I willl ride her in big/small/traveling circles all over the place and I will go around the poles (trot) and other obstacles so we don't go crazy with boredom. ...I am a little leery of trail riding but there IS a trail on the valley road that I have taken her on by myself- ( again, she did some testing, but not much) -and I think I should ride with a friend first before going it alone. Unfortunately we do not get cell phone service here, but that road gets lots of traffic (slow). The reason I am anxious to not use the round pen into the winter is that I live in a temperate rainforest and my pen will be under ground shortly. I CAN bring it indoors but it will eliminate all that cone/pole fun. If I have to I could move it in and then take it out when she has gained her balance and is a "good girl"...The round pen would turn into a 40 foot ( ten feet each side) instead of the 60 and I think the larger the circle for cantering the better. I am hoping that after enough circles while I am riding her and what not there will come a time when she will just break into a nice slow canter on her own. Wishful thinking? I used alot of ground work to get my Morgan to respect me. I just wasn't able to get us working together. I have had him for three years. He was a stud for five years before I bought him and just couldn't shake the dominaton thing. I have a trainer who comes in to ride him and I have just put him up for sale. He is too talented and beautiful and an advanced person needs to ride him. He loves always being given a challenge he can focus on. I wanted a Fjord because I hoped that I would not have to be constantly vigilent every time I want to ride her. PLEASE say this is true...I do love ground work and am looking forward to starting it., Elise is very stiff and I can tell she knows nothing about it. I use a little bit of everything. I am feeling so much better talking with you. I am not ALONE Laura > Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 07:58:09 -0600 > From: starfiref...@usa.net > To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com > Subject: Re: hello again > > This message is from: Starfire Farm > > Hello Laura, > > Your problem is fairly common, simply because Fjords are so intelligent > and many are not taught to lunge properly. > > Your idea is on the right track. You need to break down the act of > lunging into smaller steps and teach her that what you really want is > for her to stay in a circle around you. Let the canter not be the most > important thing. Use small circles at first, just so she gets the idea > about staying with you. Gradually work in larger circles, greater speed, > until you are sure she understands and won't leave. Then maybe try for > the canter. > > I would use the round pen, only for easier containment if she decides to > leave you again. If she does leave, don't punish her, just start over > and take even smaller steps. > > You did not say how old your mare was. If she is young, you must be very > careful not to do too much of this work because it can damage developing > joints. > > Good luck and have fun, > > Beth > > laura fisher wrote: > > >This message is from: laura fisher > > > >I have had a problem lunging my fjord, Elise. I bought her from a woman that > >let her children ride her on trails. As a result, Elise learned that she does > >not have to canter. I thought starting on a 60 foot lunge line would remedy > >this, but instead she is so strong that when I ask her to canter she pulls > >away and the line is pulled out of my hands ...and I am a VERY strong person. > >I have tried lunging her in the 60 foot round pen but I do not think this is > >going to work. I am wondering if I should just do lots and lots of slow > >circles, some at a walk, some at a trot. ...But I really need some input . I > >want to get her cantering away but I want to do it right. This is very > >frustrating. She has a lovely slow trot. > > > >_ > >Microsoft brings you a new way to search the web. Try Bing now > >http://www.bing.com?form=MFEHPG&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MFEHPG_Core_tagline_t ry > >bing_1x1 > > > >Important FjordHorse List Links: > >Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > >FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > >Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Starfire Farm > Beth Beymer and Sandy North > http://www.starfirefarm.com >
hello again
This message is from: laura fisher I have had a problem lunging my fjord, Elise. I bought her from a woman that let her children ride her on trails. As a result, Elise learned that she does not have to canter. I thought starting on a 60 foot lunge line would remedy this, but instead she is so strong that when I ask her to canter she pulls away and the line is pulled out of my hands ...and I am a VERY strong person. I have tried lunging her in the 60 foot round pen but I do not think this is going to work. I am wondering if I should just do lots and lots of slow circles, some at a walk, some at a trot. ...But I really need some input . I want to get her cantering away but I want to do it right. This is very frustrating. She has a lovely slow trot. _ Microsoft brings you a new way to search the web. Try Bing now http://www.bing.com?form=MFEHPG&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MFEHPG_Core_tagline_try bing_1x1 Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
