BOSS and Flax Seed
This message is from: Heather Baskey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I have been reading up on the use of BOSS and Flax Seed (soaked or ground) and would like to "poll the audience" on what other Fjord Owners use and in what quantity? Do you use one, or the other? or both? and in what quantities (of either, or both)? My private email is [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you don't wish to post the reply on the list. In appreciation Heather Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now at http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
EPSM diet and BOSS
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kelly MacDonald wrote: "For the EPSM horse who needs the truly "high" fat diet, some of them do much better on more natural sources of fat, even when those sources (boss, rice bran), bring the total dietary fat below the 20%+ fat that the more severe EPSM'ers have been deemed to need. Corn oil is "more fat" - - it's 100% fat vs 35 to 40% for BOSS and rice bran and it weights more per volume measure (i.e. cup), so it delivers more calories per volume. However, it's not just calories we're interested in when we're adding fat, although that's a big reason. The nutritional value of BOSS is so much better than oil." I have 1 Fjord that has EPSM and have tried to keep up with any "new" info on EPSM and diets. I had never heard that BOSS would help an EPSM horse/pony. I emailed Dr. Beth Valentine who has been working with EPSM horses for years, including helping us with Sonnie. Thought that someone out there that is dealing with an EPSM horse would be interested in her reply: " The black oil sunflower seeds contain up to about 40% fat, so they are good for horses that won't take in enough fat from oils. I wouldn't recommend them for a horse that eats other fat sources well, though, just be cause we aren't entirely sure how effectively sunflower seeds are digested by horses (at least, I haven't seen a study of it yet). There's nothing else in the sunflower that I know of that is good for EPSM. I think I'd stick with your current diet! " Thanks Kelly for bringing this up - interesting! My Fjord does ok on alfalfa pellets, beet pulp and corn oil plus supplements. This is the diet that Dr. Valentine told us about years ago! Nancy in NH The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: BOSS
This message is from: "kelly MacDonald" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Nancy, The one issue with EPSM is that once damage is done, it never goes away, no matter what you do to the diet - the body just can't get rid of the granules in the muscle mass. The purpose of the EPSM diet is to keep further damage from occurring. For the EPSM horse who needs the truly "high" fat diet, some of them do much better on more natural sources of fat, even when those sources (boss, rice bran), bring the total dietary fat below the 20%+ fat that the more severe EPSM'ers have been deemed to need. Corn oil is "more fat" - it's 100% fat vs 35 to 40% for BOSS and rice bran and it weights more per volume measure (i.e. cup), so it delivers more calories per volume. However, it's not just calories we're interested in when we're adding fat, although that's a big reason. The nutritional value of BOSS is so much better than oil. You can start with 1/4 each feeding and work up to as much as 3c/feeding. If you simply want the healthy coat benefits, you probably don't need more than 1/2c/day. But if you're also looking for calories (which you probably are), go up to the higher amount. Kudos to you for taking steps to make your boy feel better - and trust Dr. V - I've only heard wonderful things about her. Kindest Regards, Kelly MacDonald From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Subject: Rescue Buhund Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 05:50:11 -0800 >This message is from: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Hello, > >For those that liked our Buhund at the show in Winona. There is a male >Buhund available for adoption in Stoughton, WI. Go to the link below to read >his story. > > > >http://search.petfinder.com/petnote/displaypet.cgi?petid=7664553 > > > >If you have questions in general about Buhunds, please feel free to contact >me directly. I do not have direct information on this dog, however, he >sounds to be a great one. > > > >Catherine Lassesen > >Southern Oregon > >The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: >http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > > Your Space. Your Friends. Your Stories. Share your world with Windows Live Spaces. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: BOSS
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Does anyone use any natral remedies for Cushings? And what results have you had? Thanks Bonnie The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
BOSS
This message is from: "kelly MacDonald" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Yup, feed the shells and all. Sometimes the seeds do get passed whole, and the manure pile will sprout some pretty sunflowers. If the horse has little or no teach the seeds can be ground in a coffee grinder. It has to be the black oil sunflower seeds, not the striped ones. I pay about $15 for a 50 lb bag. From what I've read they should not be fed free choice, and a max of 8 cups a day (approx, depending on size of horse of course.) BOSS is high in Phosphorus content so too much BOSS will throw off the phos/Ca ratio. Important - the high potassium content in BOSS is not suitable for HYPP positive horses - but does wonders for horses with EPSM. Many people use BOSS for horses that have arthritis. BOSS is loaded with Omega 6. Omega 6 oils are part of the body's natural immune system that are inflammation precursors and enablers, in other words, they concentrate in an area of injury and are one of the compounds that start the inflamation process (along with histamine). However this is only proven in human systems, not in equine. Omega-6's are also used by the body in a number of other ways besides as a signal compound, including stimulating the immune system. And in the digestive system, very little of the omega-6 actually goes into the body as omega-6, most of it is broken down in the gut to simpler volatile fatty acids, which are an important fuel source for the horse. Kelly From: "Gail Russell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Subject: RE: Carrot storage, BOSS, weather Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 11:47:41 -0800 >This message is from: "Gail Russell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Is that with the shells on? If so, seems expensive to me. The whole seeds >are a lot cheaper here in Alaska. The "sunflower hearts" shelled seeds >cost about that tho. > >Maybe it is shelled, though you would think they would say that in the ad, >and I don't think they did. Possibly just a high mail order price. > >So...I better call the feedstores and see if I can find them. > >GAil > >The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: >http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > > Share your opinion and enter to win! Please complete this survey to enter into a draw for a grand prize of $500 or one of twenty $50 cash prizes. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Boss ???
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Do you feed shells and all??? I have heard about colic from the shells?? were do you usually get them ? Thanks Debbie NJ How much do you pay for your black oil sunflower seeds. I just found a place that will ship them for free for 30.00 for 20 lbs. Is that more or less than you pay? (I can probably find them at my feed store, but am lazy about shopping and will order if I can.) Gail I feed BOSS. All my horses have been on BOSS regularly since mid-summer. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
RE: Carrot storage, BOSS, weather
This message is from: "Gail Russell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Is that with the shells on? If so, seems expensive to me. The whole seeds are a lot cheaper here in Alaska. The "sunflower hearts" shelled seeds cost about that tho. Maybe it is shelled, though you would think they would say that in the ad, and I don't think they did. Possibly just a high mail order price. So...I better call the feedstores and see if I can find them. GAil The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
, BOSS,
This message is from: "jerrell friz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - Subject: RE:, BOSS, This message is from: "Gail Russell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> How much do you pay for your black oil sunflower seeds. ? - I buy mine at any one of the local feed stores. A couple years ago they were $12 dollars a bag. [ A bag is 50 #] Now they are $18 dollars a bag. I am sure they would deliver [ for a price] if I asked them to. You can get them at Wal-Mart, you will pay more and they have a coating with some kind of an additive. So, please like everything else READ the label. One other thing I forgot to mention. Birds , turkeys, etc. will fight for the piles left by the horses for left over's. Probably a good thing as they scatter the piles, maybe reducing parasites. Also, the hulls are a great roughage. Regards, Jerry Friz, Anderson, Ca. For your security this Message has been checked for Viruses as a courtesy of Com-Pair Services! The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
RE: Carrot storage, BOSS, weather
This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Is that with the shells on? If so, seems expensive to me. The whole seeds are a lot cheaper here in Alaska. The "sunflower hearts" shelled seeds cost about that tho. Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska where it is warming up and will be +15 to +20 tomorrow. we're sending that big mass of cold air down south! How much do you pay for your black oil sunflower seeds. I just found a place that will ship them for free for 30.00 for 20 lbs. Is that more or less than you pay? (I can probably find them at my feed store, but am lazy about shopping and will order if I can.) Gail The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Carrot storage, BOSS, weather
This message is from: "Melinda Schumacher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Are these the "regular" black oil sunflower seeds that I would buy for the birdfeeder? Do the horses eat the shells too?! Melinda On 1/10/07, kelly MacDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > This message is from: "kelly MacDonald" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > I feed BOSS. All my horses have been on BOSS regularly since > mid-summer. They've never looked better. Even in their winter coats > they are sleek, soft and shiny. And they LOVE them. My Fjord getsa cup > twice a day along with his tid-bit of feed. He is in good shape, but > BOSS is also an excellent way to put some weight on. > > > > Kelly > > > -- Coaching with Melinda Schumacher, MD Personal Empowerment through Creative Expression and Equine Experiential Learning "You wander from room to room hunting for the diamond necklace that is already around your neck." ~Jalal-Uddin Rumi "As she knotted the reins and took her stand, the horse's soul came into her hand, and up from the mouth that held the steel came an innermost word, half thought, half feel."~paraphrased, John Masefield Fly Without Wings www.flywithoutwings.net Gestalt Practitioner www.gestaltcleveland.org The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
RE: Carrot storage, BOSS, weather
This message is from: "Gail Russell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> How much do you pay for your black oil sunflower seeds. I just found a place that will ship them for free for 30.00 for 20 lbs. Is that more or less than you pay? (I can probably find them at my feed store, but am lazy about shopping and will order if I can.) Gail I feed BOSS. All my horses have been on BOSS regularly since mid-summer. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
RE: Carrot storage, BOSS, weather
This message is from: "kelly MacDonald" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I feed BOSS. All my horses have been on BOSS regularly since mid-summer. They've never looked better. Even in their winter coats they are sleek, soft and shiny. And they LOVE them. My Fjord gets a cup twice a day along with his tid-bit of feed. He is in good shape, but BOSS is also an excellent way to put some weight on. Kelly From: "jerrell friz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Subject: Carrot storage, BOSS, weather Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 21:46:09 -0800 >This message is from: "jerrell friz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Awhile back someone asked about carrot storage. I also purchase my carrots in >25# bags. They are about 25 cents a pound here. I usually grow my own, but did >not this last year. I store mine in a plastic bag, and then keep the bag in a >large cooler, along with my water bottles. In the Summer, I dump ice cubes in >the cooler.. I use the carrots after training for stretching exercises. [ I >don't think it is a good idea to give horses treats.[ Dogs different story.] >I would not use newspapers due to the ink, which has LEAD in it ! > >I use the old formula 2# total food, for every 100# of weight. Adjust up or >down. [example, a horse that weighs 1000# would eat 20# TOTAL. My fjord, >and Lip., take about 17 #. My 1300# Warmblood takes about 28# > >I don't see any one feeding BOSS. [ Black Oil Sunflower Seeds] If is my >understanding that they provide extra copper, not to mention the oil that is >digestible in this form. Copper is needed for black skinned horses. >Anyway, I have been using them for about 2 years. My horses have the best >coats ever. I know people that have been using boss for 5 years. The down >side is, they will gain weight. But, again, total, all food. So, you will >have to cut back somewhere else.I feed 1 cup to my Fjord, and Lip., and 3 >cups to the WB., once daily. > >Weather, seems to be normal this year. Co., is getting the snow that it >normally should get, Ak., is cold, which is normal, and here ,well ,we >are enjoying 70 degree days. I was able to bath my horses outside today. >My round pen is dry, will have to water it tomorrow. > >Regards, >Jerry Friz, >Anderson,Ca > > > > >" The world is a dangerous place to live, not because of the people who are >evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it " Albert >Einstein > >For your security this Message has been checked for Viruses as a courtesy of >Com-Pair Services! > >The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: >http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > > Your Space. Your Friends. Your Stories. Share your world with Windows Live Spaces. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Who made me boss?
This message is from: "shawna smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At least I know some folks read what I post. Cordially Joel Harman Brass Ring Ranch Mosier Oregon Hey Joel, I read all of your posts and often find them helpful-even saved the one where you described how to measure properly for a collar. Also enjoy Jord's farm stories. Shawna Smith Colton, OR
Who made me boss?
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear Debi, Thank you for sharing your opinion with me, & everyone else. Whenever I see the word "rescue" associated with a horse someone wants to "sell" it bothers me. I'm soo glad it doesn't bother you. Take 12 of them home, aren't they cheaper by the dozen? A few months ago there was discussion on the list regarding why fjords have a bad rap in the equine world. When I offered my opinion in that discussion it was basically ignored. Don't, worry I lost no sleep over that fact just as I will lose no sleep over your opinion. So, in answer to your inquiry, only one of the spoiled fjords I had a few years died. He broke his leg(nasty compound fracture) when he broke his lead rope & ran until he wrapped the butt chain around his leg during his version of the Hambiltonian (sp?) Stakes, only he was hooked to another horse at the time instead of on a sulky. He didn't think I was god & it cost him , & me dearly. As far as my current working string knows, I AM god, & I will always be god to them. I really don't have any desire to be god to anyone else, except maybe my dog. So you can hear about all the cute little fuzzy fjords that need "rescuing" on the fjord rescue board. I'm sure someone will post the address of it for you. Thanks again for responding to my post. At least I know some folks read what I post. Cordially Joel Harman Brass Ring Ranch Mosier Oregon Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!
Boss mares
This message is from: misha nogha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> As you know, it is the boss mare who is the head of a wild group of horses. Young colts who are too agressive and not well mannered get kicked out of a herd. A lone horse is kind of a fast food situation for predators. A stallion who is a slam bam thank you ma'm may never have a chance to breed in the wild because mares rarely tolerate that kind of behaviour in stallions if they are left to their own devices and not hobbled up and put in breeding chutes. Kindness does not equal weakness. Stallions have to be assertive, to be sure. But assertive does not mean bad tempered. On the strength of stallions, ie conformation, in Holland, I am sorry to hear that some people feel they are not what they used to be. Is that really true, If so, whose fault is that then? Looks to me like we have some really super horses in North America that are pretty tough boys. A lot of them are pretty nice guys too, my gosh, I got to babysit a few for people at Libby over the years and found them to be real swell guys. It's one of the things I like about Fjords, they seem real family kind of horses. Misha
