Re: Poem for Oz

[Bonnie Morris]

This message is from: Bonnie Morris 


What a lovely poem!Thank you for sharing.

Don't Cry For The Horses, by Brenda Riley-Seymore


Don't cry for the horses
That life has set free
A million white horses
Forever to be

Don't cry for the horses
Now in God's hands
As they dance and they prance
To a heavenly band

They were ours as a gift
But never to keep
As they close their eyes
Forever to sleep

Their spirits unbound
On silver wings they fly
A million white horses
Against the blue sky

Look up into heaven
You'll see them above
The horses we lost
The horses we loved

Manes and tails flowing
They Gallop through time
They were never yours
They were never mine

Don't cry for the horses
They will be back someday
When our time has come
They will show us the way

On silver wings they will lift us
To the warmth of the sun
When our life is over
And eternity has begun

We will jump the sun
And dance over the moon
A Ballet of horses and riders
on the winds
to a heavenly tune

Do you hear that soft nicker
Close to your ear?
Don't cry for the horses
Love the ones that are here

Don't cry for the horses
Lift up your sad eyes
Can't you see them
As they fly by?

A million white horses
Free from hunger and pain
Their spirits set free
Until we ride again






-Original Message-
From: jernest 
To: fjordhorse 
Sent: Thu, Mar 28, 2013 9:09 pm
Subject: Poem for Oz


This message is from: jern...@mosquitonet.com


http://www.faeriekeeper.net/poetry4.htm

Don't Cry For The Horses, by Brenda Riley-Seymore is written by a modern day
heroine who lives in Sun Valley, California.  A cowgirl with a cop for a
boyfriend,
she was born in Kentucky and raised on a ranch. A semi retired animal trainer
for
motion pictures, whose heroes are cops and cowboys, she now works Los Angeles
in
information systems. Brenda and her 18 year old daughter who saves all
creatures
great and small.


Don't Cry For The Horses, by Brenda Riley-Seymore


Don't cry for the horses
That life has set free
A million white horses
Forever to be

Don't cry for the horses
Now in God's hands
As they dance and they prance
To a heavenly band

They were ours as a gift
But never to keep
As they close their eyes
Forever to sleep

Their spirits unbound
On silver wings they fly
A million white horses
Against the blue sky

Look up into heaven
You'll see them above
The horses we lost
The horses we loved

Manes and tails flowing
They Gallop through time
They were never yours
They were never mine

Don't cry for the horses
They will be back someday
When our time has come
They will show us the way

On silver wings they will lift us
To the warmth of the sun
When our life is over
And eternity has begun

We will jump the sun
And dance over the moon
A Ballet of horses and riders
on the winds
to a heavenly tune

Do you hear that soft nicker
Close to your ear?
Don't cry for the horses
Love the ones that are here

Don't cry for the horses
Lift up your sad eyes
Can't you see them
As they fly by?

A million white horses
Free from hunger and pain
Their spirits set free
Until we ride again

..

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Poem for Oz

[jernest]

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http://www.faeriekeeper.net/poetry4.htm

Don't Cry For The Horses, by Brenda Riley-Seymore is written by a modern day
heroine who lives in Sun Valley, California.  A cowgirl with a cop for a 
boyfriend,
she was born in Kentucky and raised on a ranch. A semi retired animal trainer 
for
motion pictures, whose heroes are cops and cowboys, she now works Los Angeles in
information systems. Brenda and her 18 year old daughter who saves all creatures
great and small.


Don't Cry For The Horses, by Brenda Riley-Seymore


Don't cry for the horses
That life has set free
A million white horses
Forever to be

Don't cry for the horses
Now in God's hands
As they dance and they prance
To a heavenly band

They were ours as a gift
But never to keep
As they close their eyes
Forever to sleep

Their spirits unbound
On silver wings they fly
A million white horses
Against the blue sky

Look up into heaven
You'll see them above
The horses we lost
The horses we loved

Manes and tails flowing
They Gallop through time
They were never yours
They were never mine

Don't cry for the horses
They will be back someday
When our time has come
They will show us the way

On silver wings they will lift us
To the warmth of the sun
When our life is over
And eternity has begun

We will jump the sun
And dance over the moon
A Ballet of horses and riders
on the winds
to a heavenly tune

Do you hear that soft nicker
Close to your ear?
Don't cry for the horses
Love the ones that are here

Don't cry for the horses
Lift up your sad eyes
Can't you see them
As they fly by?

A million white horses
Free from hunger and pain
Their spirits set free
Until we ride again

..

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Re: Oz

[Kim Manzoni]

This message is from: Kim Manzoni 


I am so sorry for your loss of Oz.
You are blessed that you had a chance to
spend many years with him.
 
My Quarter Horse, Cocoa, passed away Feb 2011 at
the age of 32. She had been with me for 27 yrs. It was very very hard. And I
still grieve for her to this day.
 
However, this poem helped me a lot and I
hope it helps you too.
 
My Heavenly Home

I lost my pet not long ago

I was
in despair and feeling low,

By my bedside, on bended knee,

I asked the Lord
why he took my pet from me.

As he brushed away my tears he said:

My Sweet
Child, shed not a tear,

Your precious pet is in my care.

I have many
children, in my Heavenly Home,

Some of them wanted a pet of their own.

There
were pets on earth,

That were sick and in pain.

So I brought them here

And
made them well again.

In lush green pastures they romp and play.

My children
groom them everyday.

The meals they eat are "fit for a king",

They're not in
want for anything.

So my child, dont you despair,

Your pet is happy, with
the children here.

The children know that they're just "on loan",

Until your
Heavenly Father calls you home.

And when I do, you can be sure,

Your pet
will greet you at Heaven's door.

And then, at last, you Both will be,

In
your Heavenly Home, here with Me

by the author, Rose Dixon
 
With love and
hugs,
Kim and Titan "Mr. Month of May 2013"

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RE: oz

[Debbie LeBreton]

This message is from: Debbie LeBreton 


My thought are with you.
 > From: livingi...@q.com
> Subject: oz
> Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 09:34:42 -0500
> To: fjordhorse-dig...@angus.mystery.com
>
> This message is from: laurie with 
>
>
> i posted this the other day, and like my last one, it didn't show
up….perhaps
> i used the wrong email…….
>
> with a heavy heart i must report that today Oz the great and powerful, as
> nicknamed by Kay Van Natta, was humanely euthanized at noon, exactly 2
months
> shy of his 18th birthday. the ringbone that had plagued him for the last
two
> years, and caused his retirement last fall, had gotten to the point where
even
> walking was painful. consulting with our vet, i realized that none of the
> solutions that might be available had a chance of relieving his pain.
>
> several days ago, while falling asleep, and sending him messages in my
mind,
> as i usually did, he sent me a vision. in fact he sent it three times, and
it
> was very clear to me that he was telling me it was ok to let go.
>
> the procedure was done by a vet with whom i am friends, and my wonderful
> friend carol supported me through the day. we brushed and combed him, and
> stuffed him full of all the treats he loved.
>
> he will be sorely missed. he had a huge presence to go along with his large
> size, and he left a part of him with everyone he encountered. he leaves a
> gaping hole in my life. i am very lucky to have skylar with a shoulder to
cry
> on, because to not have a fjord in my life is too painful to even imagine.
>
> laurie
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> livingi...@q.com
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Re: oz

[Kay Van Natta]

This message is from: Kay Van Natta 


Oh, Laurie...I'm so sorry about your loss.  Oz was a great individual and a 
wonderful companion.  I always admired him and his is the photo that's right in 
front of me every time I drive into my garage.  Remember when he was Mr. 
January on the Fjordhorse calendar?  I couldn't throw that picture away so I 
put it up on the front wall of my garage so I'd see it daily.  There's also 
that great picture you took of him giving that big mid-winter yawn...that one 
is on my fridge and always will be.  Love to you and Skylar from Braveheart, 
Bogie and me.

Kay Van Natta

Sent from my iPad

On Mar 26, 2013, at 10:34 AM, laurie with  wrote:

> This message is from: laurie with 
> 
> 
> i posted this the other day, and like my last one, it didn't show up….perhaps
> i used the wrong email…….
> 
> with a heavy heart i must report that today Oz the great and powerful, as
> nicknamed by Kay Van Natta, was humanely euthanized at noon, exactly 2 months
> shy of his 18th birthday. the ringbone that had plagued him for the last two
> years, and caused his retirement last fall, had gotten to the point where even
> walking was painful. consulting with our vet, i realized that none of the
> solutions that might be available had a chance of relieving his pain.
> 
> several days ago, while falling asleep, and sending him messages in my mind,
> as i usually did, he sent me a vision. in fact he sent it three times, and it
> was very clear to me that he was telling me it was ok to let go.
> 
> the procedure was done by a vet with whom i am friends, and my wonderful
> friend carol supported me through the day. we brushed and combed him, and
> stuffed him full of all the treats he loved.
> 
> he will be sorely missed. he had a huge presence to go along with his large
> size, and he left a part of him with everyone he encountered. he leaves a
> gaping hole in my life. i am very lucky to have skylar with a shoulder to cry
> on, because to not have a fjord in my life is too painful to even imagine.
> 
> laurie
> laurie with
> livingi...@q.com
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Re: oz

[Kathleen Prince]

This message is from: Kathleen Prince 


I am so very sorry for your loss.

"When he shall die, take him and cut him out in little stars,
and he will make the face of Heaven so fine, that all the world,
will be in love with the night."
~ Shakespeare
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On Mar 26, 2013, at 10:34 AM, laurie with wrote:

> This message is from: laurie with 
>
>
> i posted this the other day, and like my last one, it didn't show up
> .perhaps
> i used the wrong email
>
> .
>
> with a heavy heart i must report that today Oz the great and  
> powerful, as
> nicknamed by Kay Van Natta, was humanely euthanized at noon,  
> exactly 2 months
> shy of his 18th birthday. the ringbone that had plagued him for the  
> last two
> years, and caused his retirement last fall, had gotten to the point  
> where even
> walking was painful. consulting with our vet, i realized that none  
> of the
> solutions that might be available had a chance of relieving his pain.
>
> several days ago, while falling asleep, and sending him messages in  
> my mind,
> as i usually did, he sent me a vision. in fact he sent it three  
> times, and it
> was very clear to me that he was telling me it was ok to let go.
>
> the procedure was done by a vet with whom i am friends, and my  
> wonderful
> friend carol supported me through the day. we brushed and combed  
> him, and
> stuffed him full of all the treats he loved.
>
> he will be sorely missed. he had a huge presence to go along with  
> his large
> size, and he left a part of him with everyone he encountered. he  
> leaves a
> gaping hole in my life. i am very lucky to have skylar with a  
> shoulder to cry
> on, because to not have a fjord in my life is too painful to even  
> imagine.
>
> laurie
> laurie with
> livingi...@q.com
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Re: oz

[Wendy Weirich]

This message is from: Wendy Weirich 


So sorry.  Thankfully, they do often let us know when it is time.  It is
never easy though.  Thank you for the life you gave him and for doing the
very difficult right thing when it was time.

Wendy

Who will go hug Tomten
and Saska now - and all the little goats and the foxhound and the cats...

 From: laurie with 
To:
fjord list  
Sent: Tuesday, March 26,
2013 10:34 AM
Subject: oz
 
This message is from: laurie with



i posted this the other day, and like my last one, it
didn't show up….perhaps
i used the wrong email…….

with a heavy heart i
must report that today Oz the great and powerful, as
nicknamed by Kay Van
Natta, was humanely euthanized at noon, exactly 2 months
shy of his 18th
birthday. the ringbone that had plagued him for the last two
years, and caused
his retirement last fall, had gotten to the point where even
walking was
painful. consulting with our vet, i realized that none of the
solutions that
might be available had a chance of relieving his pain.

several days ago,
while falling asleep, and sending him messages in my mind,
as i usually did,
he sent me a vision. in fact he sent it three times, and it
was very clear to
me that he was telling me it was ok to let go.

the procedure was done by a
vet with whom i am friends, and my wonderful
friend carol supported me through
the day. we brushed and combed him, and
stuffed him full of all the treats he
loved.

he will be sorely missed. he had a huge presence to go along with his
large
size, and he left a part of him with everyone he encountered. he leaves
a
gaping hole in my life. i am very lucky to have skylar with a shoulder to
cry
on, because to not have a fjord in my life is too painful to even imagine.
laurie
laurie with
livingi...@q.com

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oz

[laurie with]

This message is from: laurie with 


i posted this the other day, and like my last one, it didn't show up….perhaps
i used the wrong email…….

with a heavy heart i must report that today Oz the great and powerful, as
nicknamed by Kay Van Natta, was humanely euthanized at noon, exactly 2 months
shy of his 18th birthday. the ringbone that had plagued him for the last two
years, and caused his retirement last fall, had gotten to the point where even
walking was painful. consulting with our vet, i realized that none of the
solutions that might be available had a chance of relieving his pain.

several days ago, while falling asleep, and sending him messages in my mind,
as i usually did, he sent me a vision. in fact he sent it three times, and it
was very clear to me that he was telling me it was ok to let go.

the procedure was done by a vet with whom i am friends, and my wonderful
friend carol supported me through the day. we brushed and combed him, and
stuffed him full of all the treats he loved.

he will be sorely missed. he had a huge presence to go along with his large
size, and he left a part of him with everyone he encountered. he leaves a
gaping hole in my life. i am very lucky to have skylar with a shoulder to cry
on, because to not have a fjord in my life is too painful to even imagine.

laurie
laurie with
livingi...@q.com

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Oz

[Debby Stai]

This message is from: "Debby Stai" 


I hope that getting your new fjord will help you in that you’ll have one
that you can ride and feel good about letting Oz retire and yet you still
doing what you love to do.  Many hugs and grooming and love to Oz will help
him to know he still comes first.
I’d tried “replacing” my Herbie before I lost him, as I knew his time
with me was short, but it didn’t work for me.  And after losing my Lang
within ten months of losing Herbie, I couldn’t have another pony.  Its taken
several tries and failures, but now I have two minis, both already drive.
Neither look like the other two I lost.  I haven’t fallen in love with them
as I did when I first had my Herbie and when I first saw Langster come off of
that trainer.  But they are  growing on me and they are good minis.  My
harness will be here soon, followed by the carts.  I hope to find the right
place/home for me and get my Ynde back to me.
It works differently for all people, the grief.
A little pain can be controlled by meds.  And a little bit off if not being
asked much of, I’d not even ride one at a walk that is off, but if he can
walk around, if he can lay down and get up with no difficulty, then I’d
think too soon to think of putting him down.  He’s earned a retirement if
that’s to be.
I’ve probably gone too far in holding on.  Its one thing to go through and
episode and come through it, but if it’s a pain that keeps them down and
hard for them to walk and its not ever going to get better and its been going
on, then that’s the time.  That’s just my opinion from what I and my
ponies have lived through.  But I always ask the vet, and I have cancelled the
appts. to put them down, just not ready.  But most great vets will tell you
when its time.  But I’m that way with my kitties too.
Enjoy your rides on your new pony, enjoy your time with Oz.  I hope the best
for all.
Debby

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RE: oz retirement

[Karen McCarthy]

This message is from: Karen McCarthy 


Laurie,I am doing a few things, none of them injections (yet)She gets:- 2oz
Turmeric 1x day (I mix w/ corn syrup & dose w/ syringe as she won't touch
otherwise but other ponies love the stuff)- Smartpak  'Rehab' pellets 1 x day-
1gm bute IF I am gonna ride her (walkies) about 2-3 b4 My ex is using some new
stuff his vet in Calif reccomended to him for a much older arthritic mare he
has. Its called Pentosan. He gets about 12 IM doses out of it. Aussies
deveopled it from a Eurpean (french?) human arthritic drug. Used on track as a
preventative in youngstock for maybe last 3 years?He writes: Pentosan sulfate,
inject 5ml IM once weekly for 4 weeks, then 5mg monthly. Cost $200 for 50ml.
Stuff worked miracles for Thyri, vet said it should slow down the degeneration
of her joints.  She hasn't been this frisky in years.The horse he is referring
to is a BIG mare and is the mother of a 12 yo mare I put down 2 years ago,
Alycia. She was diagnosed early on w/ arthritic changes but put her down due
to some queer gut infection that dazed all the vets at a teaching hospital.
Fjords can be very hard critters for them to fathom, as these horses can be
too stoic for their own good and I think some typical treatable stuff gets too
far out of control for us to intervene at times.) I am strongly considering
this stuff - have discussed the Pentosan w/ my local vet and she is a TB
breeder and is vaguely aware of it. She can't think of a reason not to try it.
I read a lengthy study at U of Colo. of Pentosan vs Adequan. Pentosan the
"winner".Ask your vet Sure hope this info helps!Take care,K
:: Karen McCarthy :: Great Basin Fjords :: Madras, Oregon ::




 > Subject: Re: oz retirement
> From: livingi...@q.com
> Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2012 09:15:37 -0500
> To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com
>
> This message is from: laurie with 
>
>
> thanks, karen. i understand what you are going through. right now he is
pretty sore, i am hoping the injections will work. is there anything special
you are doing for Idelle? i think part of what he is feeling now is adjusting
to a new place and his diet. too much going on at once. and emotional? that
would be me, too. i have shed many tears for my big, beautiful boy.
>
>
> On Sep 2, 2012, at 2:59 AM, fjordhorse-digest wrote:
>
> > Yes I have to admit that I got a bit
> > emotional reading it, as I too have a very good mare, Idelle that has
given so
> > much of herself to us, and I am now managing a ringbone issue with. So,
off to
> > dry my eyes and feed the ponies...
>
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Re: oz retirement…long

[Kathleen Prince]

This message is from: Kathleen Prince 


You are both wonderful. Brought a tear to my eye. Love him for the  
rest of his days.
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On Sep 1, 2012, at 9:58 AM, laurie with wrote:

> This message is from: laurie with 
>
>
> trish, i have to say that Elph sounds like he has it made in the  
> shade. i notice he's on quiescence, as is oz. both are lucky boys.
>
> oz has officially retired from the world of training barns and  
> giving lessons. i took him to the U of M vet last monday to get him  
> checked again for his ringbone and ongoing lameness. Dr. Ernst at  
> that facility is a fantastic vet, very open and thorough, and even  
> though he is busier than anyone i have seen, he always takes time  
> for his patients. he actually called me on a saturday, on his way  
> to the airport for a trip out of the country, to tell me he could  
> see us the day he got back. amazing.

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oz retirement…long

[laurie with]

This message is from: laurie with 


trish, i have to say that Elph sounds like he has it made in the shade. i 
notice he's on quiescence, as is oz. both are lucky boys.

oz has officially retired from the world of training barns and giving lessons. 
i took him to the U of M vet last monday to get him checked again for his 
ringbone and ongoing lameness. Dr. Ernst at that facility is a fantastic vet, 
very open and thorough, and even though he is busier than anyone i have seen, 
he always takes time for his patients. he actually called me on a saturday, on 
his way to the airport for a trip out of the country, to tell me he could see 
us the day he got back. amazing.

the news was nothing new, oz has ringbone in his front pasterns. we injected 
them, with suggestions to return to aluminum shoes with a heel wedge, and light 
riding at a walk when he is not painful. he is also now on a  strict diet, 
since he put on weight after not being used for kid lessons due to the lameness 
issues. the usual….no grass, limit hay intake, dry lot, etc.

the good news is that i found a small, private boarding barn just as close to 
me as the one he had been at, which had close to 40 horses. this one has 2 
others, and one belongs to the owners. the girls who manage the place are 
wonderful…helpful, accommodating and loved him immediately. the owners live 
there, so someone is always there at night. 

they have a dry lot available which is next to the one with the other two 
horses, so he has company during the day. at night he goes into the outdoor 
pasture with his muzzle, and there is a cow next to him. i don't know yet what 
he and the cow thought, but i will stop after work and check him out. they will 
give him his supplements and i am to talk to them if i need Anything! it is 
very peaceful and quiet and i love it already.

i got him a nibble net, which he started working on immediately, since he was 
already unhappy that i made him stop grass diving. 

he settled in quite nicely the first day, and when i get there he's usually 
sleeping in the corner of the pasture next to the other two. his pain level has 
gone down considerably so we rode a bit yesterday. they have a sand indoor, and 
the outdoor is the dry lot he's in. behind the next to pastures is a grass 
field, with mowed paths we can walk. and it's all level, no more big hills to 
come down, which seemed to make him hurt more. both the outdoor arena and the 
outside board pasture are attached to the indoor and the stable area, so i can 
get to him right away, which is a big improvement for me, too.

i am totally amazed at the many lives my horse has influenced and touched. i 
know i posted the asberger's rider, and he has been used for lessons, camps and 
birthday parties at the place we left. there were children (and adults) who 
came in nervous and/or afraid of horses, and every single one loved oz. there 
were 4 camp sessions in august, and he was painted, poked and prodded…..a dozen 
kids learned how to take a horse's temp when they were talking about health 
issues….brushed, braided and bandaged….walked, trotted and hugged. his impact 
was amazing. kids would come into target where i work and tell me they knew i 
am oz's mom and how much they loved him.

he was used for therapy groups for kids with difficulties, and gave hugs to the 
participants when the sessions were over. even the barn owner, who drove me to 
the new place, kissed his nose and said she loved him.

so now we have OUR time, no crowds, no drama, no more overused muddy pastures 
with other horses who want to make him run when he shouldn't. one other boarder 
who is similar in age to me with a 25 year old arabian mare…..my job is to keep 
him comfortable and pain free, and love on him. he has turned out to be the 
most remarkable horse i could have ever imagined, who has taught me and many 
others the meaning of trust and learning not to fear.

laurie with
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Re: oz as therapy horse

[jernest]

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Would a joint supplement with Devil's claw and Yucca make him more comfortable? 
 I
used Corta-flx RX 100 which had Devil's Claw and Yucca for old Bjarne who was 
lame
at times, but I don't think he had ring bone.  You can get Devil's Claw and 
Yucca
powder by itself,
"DC-Y Devils Claw and Yucca for horses from Met-Vet Phramaceuticals is 
recommended
to help ease discomfort associated with normal daily exercise and activity. DCY 
is
apple-flavored with an alfalfa base. Each oz of DC Y contains 2,097 devils claw
extract and 2,500 mg yucca extract. Dosage: Adult horses 900-1,100 lbs - higher
maintenance level - 1 oz daily, lower maintenance level - 1/2 oz daily (may be
doubled for first 14-21 days)."

> oz has given lessons to a girl with asperger's syndrome, and her mother has 
> done 2
> videos for her blog. this horse is so special, and takes such good care of 
> all the
> kids. i feel badly that he is so lame, and i need to retire him from the barn
> programs.
>
> here are the links to both videos"
>
> http://youtu.be/Ezcx5tUeVUE
>
> http://youtu.be/Ezcx5tUeVUE
>
>
> laurie, and oz, my heart horse
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Re: oz the people whisperer

[jernest]

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Laurie,

Could it be Oz is picking up on YOUR moods?  Maybe that is why hewas "depressed"
too.  And when your mood picked up he responded!

A couple years ago I broke my foot hopping off Bjorken on our first ride of the
summer. (Long story) I tied him to the porch and removed the bridle but left him
there for a little while until my friend came to help, and the friend put him 
away.
 I didn't see him for a day or two, then my friend told me Bjorken looked 
depressed
and I should go see him, and ultimately he had developed a conditon which looked
like colic (but wasn't), vet decided his electrolytes were off, he wasn't eating
and drinking etc.  It was HOT and smokey so maybe that was the reason...but I 
went
out to help take care of him and he recovered in a couple days...now did he get
sick because I broke my foot and didn't see him after I tied him to the porch?  
I
don't know, but I somehow feel there was a connection.

Our special animal buddies pick up on our moods and body language for sure.

Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska  cloudy, but not raining!


> the past couple of weeks oz has been mentally off as well as physically. he
> wouldn't take gummy bears, he hung his head the minute he was in the cross 
> ties and
> fell asleep, he was walking slow, etc.
>
> the last couple of weeks i have been very depressed about his condition, and 
> trying
> to make the change to a new barn. i think since i talked to lisa and decided 
> to
> stay where we are, my mood has relaxed and i have stopped crying at the drop 
> of a
> curry comb.
>
> today i went to the barn to check on him. he's been staying indoors with a fan
> since yesterday, as are the indoor board horses. i took him to the cross ties 
> for
> some brushing, let him roll in the arena and then hosed him down. he was very 
> much
> more alert, holding his head up, and begging for gummy bears and taking them. 
> he
> just seemed more relaxed and happier. he sticks his head out the stall door 
> and
> smiles at everyone who goes by.
>
> just saying………..
>
> laurie, and oz, who really is norwegian and not a southern belle…….gonna be 
> 100
> here again today
>
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oz the people whisperer

[laurie with]

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the past couple of weeks oz has been mentally off as well as physically. he 
wouldn't take gummy bears, he hung his head the minute he was in the cross ties 
and fell asleep, he was walking slow, etc.

the last couple of weeks i have been very depressed about his condition, and 
trying to make the change to a new barn. i think since i talked to lisa and 
decided to stay where we are, my mood has relaxed and i have stopped crying at 
the drop of a curry comb.

today i went to the barn to check on him. he's been staying indoors with a fan 
since yesterday, as are the indoor board horses. i took him to the cross ties 
for some brushing, let him roll in the arena and then hosed him down. he was 
very much more alert, holding his head up, and begging for gummy bears and 
taking them. he just seemed more relaxed and happier. he sticks his head out 
the stall door and smiles at everyone who goes by.

just saying………..

laurie, and oz, who really is norwegian and not a southern belle…….gonna be 100 
here again today

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oz update

[laurie with]

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i am very pleased to say that the injection that oz had in his pastern has made 
a big difference in how he feels and moves. i would say he is at 95% of normal. 
i let him rest for a week, and then tried him with some light riding with no 
problems.

yesterday i rode him for a good half hour with lots of trotting both 
directions, and he was good. he's back in the lesson program, giving lessons to 
kids again. they have missed him, and he does so well with him. there is a 
short clip of him with a young girl rider on my Facebook page.

it's obvious he needs some muscle toning on the side he's been favoring, but 
he's no longer avoiding moving that direction, and seems quite happy. except 
for his muzzle. there are at least 3 other horses at the barn who wear a 
muzzle. they are all quite normal, i see them wandering around, sleeping, 
trying to get a little grass through it.

oz? see other short video. he's at the round bale trying to suck hay into the 
muzzle. sigh. fjords never give up.

laurie and oz, the king of the bucket heads

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forum and oz update

[laurie with]

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first, I want to thank everyone for listening to our western dressage 
presentation at the fjord forum. it's fun to see so much interest in this 
developing new discipline. if you didn't get information, please check out our 
website. in Minnesota it's wdamn.org. the national organization is 
westerndressageassociation.org. some states already have an affiliated club 
(colorado for one) and others are in the works. in the Midwest feel free to use 
the Minnesota site, Wisconsin and Illinois are still working on it. also, 
please don't confuse us with any organization that is not affiliated with the 
national organization, western dressage association of America.

and, ozwhat can I say? he was such a trouper, even with the heat. as I 
mentioned, when we all got here in Minnesota a few years ago for either the 
winter meeting or the national 25th it was almost 90 degrees colder. we lucked 
out this year.

I had him checked again with my lameness vet. she's very pleased with his 
weight, and his feet are no longer painful. we have traced it to something in 
the pastern or fetlock area on the left leg. I am taking him to Anoka equine 
for X-rays and testing to see what we do next. at least this is progress.

he thanks all his fans for the nice comments, and it was fun to meet others and 
finally put faces to names. especially fun was Jeanne poirier, who when I 
introduced myself said, quote...nice to meet you, where is oz? LOLOL

it was a great to see everyone again, and thanks to everyone who made the 
meeting run so smoothly, and to sue plein for inviting us to speak.

laurie, and oz, the spring fuzzy pony

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RE: Laurie/Oz Update with Cynthia/Starfire Chiron updated added

[Cynthia Madden]

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Hi Laurie,
I can sympathize with you. I had major knee surgery on Jan 30, including a
knee "hinge" replacement and distal femur replacement about 12"  up my leg.
The X-ray looks kind of "star wars." This has been going on for almost 3
years. The doc here in Las Cruces fractured my femur during a "manipluation
under anesthesia" after a patella fracture and tendon repair. He either
didn't know it or tell anyone and I didn't find out for 7 months which left
my left foot turned out and a shorter leg. I finally went to Mayo Clinic in
Phoenix and after one year of back and forth,  got it fixed. You are
getting the short version of the whole mess.  I am starting my 4th week of
PT retraining muscles which don't listen to my brain anymore. I feel my
life will shortly be mine again and am so looking forward to getting Teddy
back in shape and competing him again. I could drive him occasionally as
long as I had someone to help me hitch him.The best news is that I am able
to retire on March 30th, so I will spend the summer fixing up the house and
redoing the landscaping destroyed by  2 unseasonably cold winters AND
driving Teddy!

Happy to hear your success story!

I can't say enough about Mayo Clinic. They are simply amazing. I will not
waste my time or money on the locals here in Las Cruces or El Paso again.

-- 
Cynthia Madden
Las Cruces, NM

 cynt...@carriagehorse.com

No philosophers so thoroughly comprehend us as dogs and horses.  ~Herman
Melville, Redburn. His First Voyage, 1849

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laurie/oz update

[laurie with]

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i haven't posted lately, mostly because on january 6th i had my second knee 
replaced. i was kind of dreading having it done, since the one i had six years 
ago still gives me pain, but i must say this has been a pretty remarkable 
recovery. anyone who has had this done knows how hard it is. the PT can be 
hell, but you have to do it in order to walk normally. i went through a couple 
of rough weeks about 4 weeks into it, crying at any little thing, wishing it 
was over, blah blah blah.

but, suddenly at 5 weeks, things improved dramatically. i had my balance back, 
the pain for the most part was gone, and i could walk without a cane.

after my 6 week followup, i whined my surgeon into clearing me to ride again. 
after all, i ride indoors, on oz (who unfortunately has been lame lately) who 
has 4 year olds ride him in lessons, has only two speeds - slow and eat, i use 
a mounting block, and promised to only walk. at 6 weeks and 5 days post 
surgery, i got on him for the first time since the day before surgery. the leg 
was strong enough to go over his back, and to walk up and down the block. happy 
camper here.

with the first knee i didn't ride again until 4 months.

laurie with
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Re: oz and barefoot

[Jo Wilgus]

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love renegades. no problems putting on or getting off. pretty colors too. 
regn  loves em. we go 10 wks on trims but have no foot issues. i hope we 
never do.
- Original Message - 
From: "Gail Russell" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 9:00 AM
Subject: RE: oz and barefoot



This message is from: Gail Russell 


What kind of boots are you getting?  I ask because I want to see you 
succeed.  In general, my take is that you can have easy on, but boots that 
require diligent attention to trimming, and are likely to be outgrown if 
you go six weeks between trims (easyboot gloves and Renegades) or not so 
easy on, and a boot that fits a wide range of foot sizes (Easyboot Epics 
and others).


An exception to that rule may be the new easyboot Trail boot, which is 
supposed to be easy on, and require no special trim and it is cheaper than 
the others.  Not for really long rides though, and probably not as 
durable.  You might consider them.  See http://www.easyboottrail.com/


Gail
i love my farrier. he's working his butt off trying to get oz
comfortable again. i think, however, it's time to dump the shoes and
give it a try. i promise to get boots and not whine if he's ouchy for
a while.

laurie and oz, the best pony at the barn, and also the hairiest with
winter hair starting already!!!

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RE: oz and barefoot

[Gail Russell]

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What kind of boots are you getting?  I ask because I want to see you succeed.  
In general, my take is that you can have easy on, but boots that require 
diligent attention to trimming, and are likely to be outgrown if you go six 
weeks between trims (easyboot gloves and Renegades) or not so easy on, and a 
boot that fits a wide range of foot sizes (Easyboot Epics and others).

An exception to that rule may be the new easyboot Trail boot, which is supposed 
to be easy on, and require no special trim and it is cheaper than the others.  
Not for really long rides though, and probably not as durable.  You might 
consider them.  See http://www.easyboottrail.com/

Gail
i love my farrier. he's working his butt off trying to get oz  
comfortable again. i think, however, it's time to dump the shoes and  
give it a try. i promise to get boots and not whine if he's ouchy for  
a while.

laurie and oz, the best pony at the barn, and also the hairiest with  
winter hair starting already!!!

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Re: oz and barefoot

[laurie with]

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many thanks to everyone who answered on here and/or emailed me. just  
to clarify, i'm in minnesota and we had a VERY wet spring/summer. oz  
is outside boarded, which suits him fine, but he does get the effect  
of a lot of wet ground.


what we would see is head bobbing, especially to the left at the trot,  
where he seemed to really be sore when turning. it looked like he was  
favoring the left leg, and i  wondered if it was a shoulder problem.


the injections he had were into the coffin joint, trying to reduce the  
inflammation that might have been there. this vet was talking about  
nerving him if this didn't work, and i immediately said no.


my gut told me he was tight and/or off balance. the vet that gave him  
shots doesn't believe in chiropractic and adjustments, but then again  
he's not my regular vet, particularly since he's always giving you the  
gloom and doom interpretation of what's going on.


two days ago one of the horses at the barn was getting a session of  
cranialsacro therapy, almost like a combination of chiropractic and  
massage. she had time, so she also worked on oz. what she found was  
imbalance, and some tender areas. she did gentle neck flexion, and  
guess what.he was uneven and sore, particularly on the left. she  
worked with him in both directions and his flex improved and was even  
on both sides. she did other work, but it's a lot to try to describe.  
however, the last one was pulling the tail, which i learned at a  
TTouch clinic. lately when i have done it, he clamps his tail. when i  
brushed his tail yesterday, it was soft and relaxed.


the best part.when i got the to barn yesterday, he was being  
ridden in his second kid's lesson of the day. and he was sound! if you  
are on facebook, i posted a photo of the boy who was doing the lesson,  
and then rode him bareback. what a happy pair.


anne longfellow and bjorne know this clinician, and also the trimmer  
she uses. i am going to go see them and talk about it and go from there.


i love my farrier. he's working his butt off trying to get oz  
comfortable again. i think, however, it's time to dump the shoes and  
give it a try. i promise to get boots and not whine if he's ouchy for  
a while.


laurie and oz, the best pony at the barn, and also the hairiest with  
winter hair starting already!!!


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Re: Google+, Oz, vaccines

[Steve McIlree]

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On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 9:16 AM, Gayle  wrote:

> This message is from: "Gayle" 
>
> Steve could you give a quick synopsis of Google+?  I'd be interested if I
> knew more about it?  I am definitely 'computer challenged' and hope I'm not
> the only one out here??
>

Google+ is the newest entry into the realm of social networking services. It
was introduced just over a month ago, and has been growing at a rate which
far exceeds its predecessors like FaceBook and Twitter, now boasting over 25
million members. Not too shabby for a service which is still in testing and
by invitation only.  While this is a drop in the bucket compared to the size
of FaceBook, there are many who predict it is only a matter of time before
Google+ becomes the dominant service. I could go on to attempt to describe
the advantages of Google+, but if you are really interested just spend a few
minutes to watch the videos here: http://goo.gl/z9Ntf. If you are then
interested in trying it out, just ask and I will send you an invitation.

-- 
Steve
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without
accepting it.-- Aristotle 384-322 BC

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Google+, Oz, vaccines

[Gayle]

This message is from: "Gayle" 


This message is from: Steve McIlree 
Are there any other folks here who have gotten on Google+? It is turning out
to be pretty neat. It is still by invitation only, so if anyone would like
to get on just let me know. I will see to it you get an invitation.

BTW, the Hangout feature on G+ looks as if it could be a great way to the
NFHR board to conduct their monthly meetings FOR FREE. And with video!

Steve could you give a quick synapsis of Google+?  I'd be interested if I 
knew more about it?  I am definitely 'computer challenged' and hope I'm not 
the only one out here??


--

Laurie it sounds to me like Oz may need a chiropractic adjustment.  A few 
years ago I had a really nice QH gelding in for training and he began 
displaying similar behavior.  I spoke with his owner and we decided to begin 
with a vet check.  What he found was quite interesting.  This horse had a 
dorsal stripe and if you stood directly behind him, you could see a zig-zag 
near the top of his hip.  The vet said he had an iliosachral (not sure about 
the spelling?) subluxation OKEY DOKEY then!!  He recommended a 
chiropractic adjustment which we did and the transformation was immediate 
and amazing.


i am throwing this idea out to see if anyone has had any experience with 
lyme disease in horses…..


i have been dealing with off and on problems with oz since spring. he's been 
ouchie on occasion on his front feet, and other times just kind of off, 
especially turning to the left.

--

This year I had trouble with West Nile, tetanus, sleeping sickness 
combination vaccine - Merial brand.  Won't use that brand again.  Out of 20 
horses vaccinated I had two that developed really big, bad abscesses. 
That's a pretty high percentage of reactions.  My vets were very helpful and 
contacted the manufacturer as well as the company that I ordered the vaccine 
from.  Apparently the vaccine had gotten too cold during shipping.  Merial 
said that was harder on the vaccine that having it get too warm, that that 
would cause the vaccine to become hyper reactive.  UH HUH!  The gel packs 
that the vaccine was shipped with were frozen instead of just cooled and 
apparently there was not enough packing to prevent the vaccine from getting 
too cold.  $1500 in vet bills and a ton of time treating them - not to 
mention the horses suffering!


We have a barn where two horses have gone down with vaccines.  I do not 
think they were from the West Nile, but I gather there is a history of 
problems with the adjuvant in one or more of the West Nile vaccine brands. 
My friend who once gave horses vaccines herself with impunity now has the 
vet do all of them.


Gail

Gayle Ware
Field of Dreams
Eugene, OR
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oz and the muzzle

[laurie with]

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it's muzzle time. best friends has made a new muzzle with a change in  
design and extra straps which they call houdini horse proof. oz has  
proven you can't call it fjord-proof.


thursday after my ride he had it on. when my pasture partner came to  
ride later, it was off. she looked everywhere. after our lesson  
yesterday, i walked the entire mud sucking pasture, bad knee and all,  
looking for it. on my way back to the fence, i glanced at this huge  
fallen log that i looked all around the first time past it. sitting  
nicely on the end, tucked behind the root area, was the muzzle. the  
plastic buckle had broken, as it should. i laughed out loud.


fixed the buckle, and tramped across the pasture again. why are they  
always at the far end of the pasture when we are looking for them. i  
got the muzzle back on, readjusted it for better fit. first oz got  
really mad at one of the mares he shares the pasture with because she  
wouldn't help him get it off. good, i thought, nobody will help him. i  
headed for the gate. halfway there i turned around in time to see him  
walk to the big stump again, tap his head against it and the muzzle  
popped right off. sigh. back i go. put it back on, gave him the stink  
eye and hoped for the best.


if anyone is interested, i posted a photo of the infamous muzzle on my  
facebook page.


i love my pony.

laurie, and oz, who field tests muzzles

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oz and western dressage

[laurie with]

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oh, that rhymes, doesn't it?

just a small brag about our western dressage clinic last weekend...we  
had a great variety of breeds there, and it was interesting to see the  
different ways they worked and carried themselves. oz was the only  
fjord, and he had the cute factor down completely.


however, he also knew his stuff. thanks to paula for his early formal  
dressage training, and the work we have done together, the clinician  
said there was very little he could add to how i ride him. he was  
soft, round, relaxed and of course, cute. i was proud of him, and it  
was a nice validation to be told i am a good rider after my years of  
self doubt.


we have been having some foot problems, as always in the spring, but i  
think they have worked themselves out. yesterday we had a great  
lesson, light again, working on turns on haunches and forehand,  
leading to small successes at rollaways and such. good pony.


laurie and oz, the western dressage king (for a day)

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Re: Carrots for TGAP Oz!

[JadeBear]

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Dear Oz!
I am SO happy that you  will, once again, be on the receiving end of 
the many and wonderful snacks that  all Fjordhorses so richly deserve.  A life 
unpunctuated by apples, carrots,  peppermints (and Circus Peanuts) is 
dreary to contemplate even when blessed by  much brushing, hugging and kissing. 
 
Welcome back to the ranks of the  spoiled.
 
(!burp!)
Bogie, The Love Pony
 
 
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he can actually have grass  again!!! and carrotsand no expensive  meds.





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oz-toundingly good news

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HOW Grand that the test came back okay!

Dagney and I are sending a dozen E-carrots and our best wishes.

Lindy and Dagney in the humid-once-again Shenandoah Valley

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good news on the oz front

[CrystalZak]

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you may remember last spring oz was diagnosed with cushings.

last week i had a blood draw just to see where we are, and a different vet 
used the preferred test for it, not the one that was used when the first vet 
checked him. i was told this second test is the gold standard for checking 
for cushings.

i got the results yesterday.he does NOT have cushings. the first test 
must have given a false positive, and i understand it's not always 
reliable

he can actually have grass again!!! and carrotsand no expensive meds.

we are both happy campers...

laurie, and oz, the great and powerful..

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Re: oz update

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In a message dated 5/28/10 12:58:50 AM,
owner-fjordhorse-dig...@angus.mystery.com writes:


> This message is from: Kathleen Prince 
> Glad to see he's feeling better. His mane is lovely - I can't quite 
> get the proper arch on my girls. May I ask what food you are feeding 
> him?
>

i have to admit to cheating on the mane. when i went to roach him, i cut
off all the white, and found the black stayed standing. so i kept trimming it
to the shape i wanted, and then as the white is growing in, i just follow
the line of the black :)

he is getting grass hay and hay cubes. i know there are vitamins in the
cubes, but i am not sure what exactly. i just trust kathy and she gets the
right stuff in him. he's also on pergolide and a thyroid med. everything
together is really helping him feel good again.

laurie, and oz the lunging fool

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Re: oz update

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Glad to see he's feeling better. His mane is lovely - I can't quite  
get the proper arch on my girls. May I ask what food you are feeding  
him?
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> This message is from: crystal...@aol.com
>
>
> ozzie has been at kathy johnson's for almost 3 weeks, on his  
> pergolide and
> getting the right food. i will let this video show how he's doing :)
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Q_AbZ6aAGk
>
> laurie, and oz, getting better by the day
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oz update

[CrystalZak]

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ozzie has been at kathy johnson's for almost 3 weeks, on his pergolide and 
getting the right food. i will let this video show how he's doing :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Q_AbZ6aAGk

laurie, and oz, getting better by the day

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Re: oz update

[CrystalZak]

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since i last posted, when oz was first diagnosed as cushings, i spent some 
time in a depressed panic. then started reading and finally put out a note 
from our fjord friends who are in the area, looking for someone who might dry 
lot him and help me get him stabilized. it was just not possible where i 
was boarding. there was grass in the pasture, he kept getting off his muzzle, 
and the owner didn't want to create a dry lot. i was extremely frustrated 
and anxious.

i am happy to say that kathy johnson has allowed oz to move into a 
beautiful dirt paddock at her place in the woods, and between her and donna, 
her 
extremely helpful and willing friend, are starting him on the road to being 
better. he gets his meds regularly every day, the right kind of food and tender 
loving care. i have been going a couple of times a week to ride him and 
some of the therapy horses, along with kim potter. oz is still a bit lame on 
the right front, and a trip to the local equine vet is scheduled for monday to 
find out what the problem is. i am pretty much certain it's not a hoof 
issue, so we shall see.

i feel much better knowing that he is in such a good environment, 
surrounded by other fjordies and people who know and love them. as i said, 
fjord 
owners are by and large the best of any around!

aside from riding him, i have had the opportunity to ride other fjords, 
some quite a bit smaller than my huge boy. it's been fun and good for my 
riding. and today was the best...i was priviledged to be able to ride 
linda's 
markus. what a wonder pony.so light in the bridle and with aids, all you 
have to do is think where you want to go, and he does it. it was a very 
good ride! thanks, linda, for allowing it.

now, to get oz all healed up in time for blue earth so we can join the 
party.

thanks all who gave me input on his situation. i truly appreciate it.

laurie, and oz, the biggest pony on the farm

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Re: oz and thanks

[CrystalZak]

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thanks to all of you for the information and input. for what it's worth, i 
am on the cushings list and was just too overwhelmed by the information, by 
the way, he did have insulin tested also. i have ordered pergolide from the 
vet, but i am also going to look into the evitex. perhaps i can start that 
first and see how it goes before i do the meds.

my farrier was here today, and there is no sign of foot problems. he's been 
doing his feet for several years, and though he has soft soles, he has 
never had any other problems. i keep front shoes on him, because that's where 
he 
needs them. he is a bit stiff in the behind, and a chiropractor was 
suggested.

his symptoms, along with feeling sluggish, included the cresty neck, some 
fat on the top of his butt and on the sheath area. he still has the indents 
over his eyes. even since he's been on the thyroid only i think i am seeing 
less in front of his hip. nothing in the way of wavy hair, and he's pretty 
much shedding out the way he always does.

he was pretty up after being inside all night. he wanted his pasture, but 
he got ridden first, much to his dismay. i ride him just about every day, now 
that i am retired, even if all we did was walk when he was first feeling so 
bad.

my vet, who has been in the business for some time, and has worked with 
other fjords, says our pasture, which is dang near nude, will be fine for him. 
he has seen the horse, has seen the pasture, so i choose to trust him.

thanks again
laurie

so, i will keep the list updated

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Oz

[brass-ring-farm]

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Poor Laurie! Poor Oz! It is all confusing and the reason is there is not
one answer for every horse. The Cushings list, which I have read off and
on for 8+ years, errs on the side of absolute caution. If you follow
their protocols I have no doubt that you will give your horse the best
possible chance at life. But at what cost? Quality is important too.

My Morgan got ouchy like Oz. He started preferring to walk on the sides
of the paths where it is softer and other indicators his feet hurt. I was
ignorant. Finally he had a full blown laminitis attack with rotation in
both front feet and one back (4-8 degrees). No grass that spring; he was
dry lotted. Then I slowly started letting him out on summer grass and the
next spring gave him a few hours at a time. He was always in a dry lot at
night. For the past few years he is on his own, with 12 hours of grass
(not great grass, has to walk in a rocky hilly pasture, but it is there).

We used the Evitex at first for years. It is a good place to start.
Eventually you will need to go to Pergolide, which is actually cheaper.

4 years ago I had both the ACTH for Cushings run and insulin. He is both
Cushings (controlled with pergolide) and insulin resistant (controlled
with diet). You can give Oz hay, it has to be soaked first if you do not
know how rich it is. I never did that. Ours is plain grass hay from a
local farmer and the horses tell you some bales are better than others; I
am sure they are the sugary ones. This is not an absolutely safe way to
do things. 

The Morgan, by the way, is now 25, looks and acts 8 and is quite rideable
by me, that is, fairly slowly a couple of times a week. Besides the
grass, he eats a tiny bit of Purina Wellsolve Low Starch, and not too
many treats. He wears shoes with pads and has done well with this
protocol.

To keep this Fjord related, my Fjord has begun to have insulin resistant
problems too, but email me privately if you want to go into that.
Remember ACTH is good for Cushings diagnoses and insulin for insulin
resistance, controlled by diet. 2 different things. Here in Connecticut
the ACTH/insulin are combined and cost $90. Medicine Pergolide for the
Cushings is available mail order for 1 mg capsule for $53 for 3 months. I
find controlling the insulin resistance with diet the bigger pain of the
two.

Best of luck,
Valerie

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RE: Oz & cushings- possible treatement

[Julia Webb]

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I seem to remember (from safergrass.org) that it can depend on the alfalfa.
One of the sources of carbs in alfalfa is a lot of pectin.  Evidently, that
doesn't seem to cause as much trouble.  Some grass hays can have REALLY awful
NSC values if you're managing a horse with metabolic issues.



Julia Webb

Wellington, CO

> Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 17:52:46 -0800
> Subject: RE: Oz & cushings- possible treatement
> From: jern...@mosquitonet.com
> To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com
>
> This message is from: jern...@mosquitonet.com
>
>
> Free choice alfalfa? I didn't think Fjords could even be on free choice
grass hay!
> Much less free choice alfalfa! But it sounds like you have found the
solution for
> your mare's problem with Evitex and Vitex.

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Oz

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Hi Laurie - you are going to get a lot of advice and a lot of it will be
conflicting. If I were you I would join the Equine Cushings group on
Yahoo and get free up to the minute advice from professionals. All of it
can seem overwhelming, but sounds like you have caught Oz in time before
real laminitis that causes founder or sinking has set in.

I have been a member since my Morgan foundered 8 years ago. Today he is
rideable, 25 years old, and out on grass 12 hours a day. My Fjord is dry
lotted until the end of May. I might try the grazing muzzle again but she
was pretty dramatic last year. I wish you could ask them, grazing muzzle
or dry lot? Kind of like when I was raising my children. Would you like
broccoli or peas with your hamburger tonight?
Best,
Valerie
Columbia, CT

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oz again

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ok, i am going to take a deep breath and just calm myself down. i have had 
information overload to the point of brain strain and i need to stop.

oz had his teeth done this morning. we have a great equine guy who can do 
it without the mouth brace or sedation, neither of which i really like. oz 
was a trooper, and stood quite still, and went right back to the hay in his 
stall when he was finished.

while i was there the hay supplier came in, and i asked about the hay he 
has. he has icedlandics, and and older mare who has cushings and needs the low 
starch/sugar grass, and he can supply it for me. no need to test since he's 
done it and it's about 9%.. so that takes care of that part of it. (he also 
told me i am welcome to visit his place and ride an icelandic. how cool is 
that?)

i also got a call from the vet who did the testing, which was done at BET 
in kentucky. he says we caught things early, and with the meds we can keep 
things well under control. he knows our pasture there, and the grass is 
literally right down to the roots. it's lousy pasture, which is good for our 
ponies. he can wear his muzzle for now, and i will bring him in at night for a 
few weeks while we get his meds and/or supplements started. i need to be able 
to trust my vet, so i am.

he gets a trim tomorrow with a fjord familiar farrier who has been doing 
his feet for several years. he has been ouchie now and again in the 6 years i 
have had him, but i don't think came anywhere near to founder. 

the thyro-l has perked him up and he sure didn't drag his butt when i 
turned him out this morning (with muzzle).

i don't know if i posted this last week when we took it, but he looks 
pretty good in this video, i think.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLfh3WdQKRM

thanks so much for everyone's input and suggestions. as i have said many 
times since i got oz, fjords come with an extended family, and it sure shows 
up when we need assistance.

laurie, who is going back to the barn to ride.

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RE: oz update #2

[Gail Russell]

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Hi Laurie,

I went back and searched thru my Equine Cushings List, and it looks like you 
are on it.  I believe you are getting good advice to get OZ tested for insulin 
resistance and glucose intolerance.  And it sounds like you really should get 
the ACTH test done.  Be sure that the vet knows the blood handling procedures.  
The list will help you pick the correct test AND the correct blood draw 
circumstances (normal feed, no fasting, time of day to test, always at home in 
a normal non-stressful situation).  You can go to the Cornell website and 
download everything.  It is a bit hard to pick your way through everything, but 
it can be done.

Also...I should reiterate that there are other types of muzzles and ways to 
narrow the holes on the Best Friends muzzle so he can get no grass.

I do know a vet who lets her insulin resistant horse out on grass.  (However, 
she says she tells few of her clients this because they may get the idea they 
do not have to control their horse's intake.)  She makes a point of exercising 
her mare EVERY DAY and she makes the point of putting the horse out on grass in 
the early morning, and bringing her in before noon.  You can actually test the 
pasture grass if you want to.  The list is correct that the stressed, 
short-cropped grass can be very high sugar.  Also, the vet I am talking about 
is operating in California, where we have summer drought.  When it gets hot, 
and the grass manufactures sugars like crazy during the day, there not also a 
lot of rain/moisture that helps the grass grow.  In the Midwest, I am sure the 
grass situation is different.

Gail

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RE: oz update #2

[Gail Russell]

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Hi Laurie,

Are you subscribed to the Yahoo Equine Cushings List, where e-mails from the 
list come to your computer?  Or are you reading an online forum, where people 
post to a forum? 
 

I would recommend the former (Yahoo Equine cushings List).  Among other things, 
if you posted this kind of frustration to the Yahoo List, they would have been 
pretty supportive in helping you with the confusion and frustration.  (Their 
motto is to BREATHE, and they are very positive that you WILL be able to figure 
things out.)

Although OZ did not have the Cadillac of Cushings tests, it sounds like he does 
have some Cushings symptoms, and, for now, you should assume that the positive 
test he had using the Cortisol Rhythm test is positive.  It is true that many 
vets believe that the Cortisol Rhythm test is the best.  However, Dr. Kellon 
believes the ACTH is a much better indicator, and much more help in setting 
dosage of Pergolide.  And she points out that the Cornell test lab that does 
the ACTH testing is associated with the Cornell University Vet School, and 
their results are carefully monitored.  Also, I have experience with taking a 
"fresh out of vet school" vet through the Cornell testing.  He initially messed 
up the blood draw by NOT following the proper handling program.  However, once 
he got going, he called and talked to the Cornell lab, and they walked him 
through things and he found them very helpful.  By the way, the "fresh out of 
vet school" vet knew very little about the testing for Cu!
 shings in general, and the studies he had suggested the Cortisol Rhythm test.  
However, he was very impressed with the Cornell lab in the end, and I believe 
may have been "converted."

My understanding from the Equine Cushings List is that Cushings horses can 
become foot sore, and acutely laminitic from uncontrolled Cushings.  However, 
they are not all insulin resistant, and may not need to be on an insulin 
resistant diet.  I am not positive about that, but I do know of a Cushings 
horse that lived a long life on grass without catastrophic founder.  (He 
actually had almost no treatment, and...though he was not a healthy horse, he 
lived a long time.)   On the other hand, OZ is a Fjord, so he may, indeed, be 
insulin resistant.  (FWIW, the insulin resistant Fjord I own gets an obviously 
firm/hard crest very easilyit was pretty easy to diagnose her just by 
observing how she carried weight.) 

It sounds like you have not had OZ tested for insulin resistance?  I would join 
the Yahoo Equine Cushings list, post a detailed history of his situation, 
tests, and treatment, and ask for their help.  Posting the history is a bit of 
a project.  It has changed recently.  They will help you with it.  I can try to 
help as well, but I am going to be on the road soon (going to the Bettina 
Drummond clinic in Massachusetts...which...by the way...is still open to 
auditors...and I do believe it is a unique clinic format specially suited to 
auditors, and something that is not going to be available again any time soon.)

The Yahoo List is owned by a vet who specializes in Cushings.  It is also 
moderated, so you will not get conflicting advice there.  The list will want 
you to send the insulin resistance/glucose test to Cornell, not Kentucky.  They 
will also probably recommend you treat OZ for his Cushings, if it is not being 
done already.  They will give you an emergency diet to put him on.  For now, I 
suspect using the muzzle will be fine.  Also, there are other muzzles (beyond 
the Best Friends type) that may suit Oz better, and that can be set up to allow 
little or NO grass thru.  The Yahoo Group will refer you to a sister e-mail 
list (for non-emergency discussions) where you can get lots of help in coping 
with the barn situation you have.

I hope this helps.  It is overwhelming.  The Yahoo list people know this.  I 
will forward you the last post I received from that list.

Gail Russell

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Re: oz update #2

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i am beyond frustrated and confused. there is a cushings forum online with 
people posting who have dealt with the IR/cushings issues for 10 years. i 
have posted there and gotten a lot of information. i also have gotten input 
and info from two vets and the barn owner. i feel like i am drowning.

right now i have been told the following:

list says even chewed down short grass is bad, even with his muzzle. so, no 
pasture.

list says no hay that hasn't been tested, so, no hay.

vet #1 said anemia, vet #2 said no anemia, cushings.

list said vet #2 didn't do the cadillac of cushings test ACTH, and there's 
a strong possibility of false positive in tests he did run.

vet #2 says his tests are accurate, no grass.

barn owner says no to dry lot. has had a cushings horse and he lived a 
long, good life. use muzzle. we are getting grass hay, but she doesn't always 
buy from the same supplier.

oz is on outside board, i don't want to leave on muzzle all night, so he's 
inside at night for a couple of weeks.

laurie

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Re: oz update

[Starfire Farm]

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Hi Laurie,

I have had very good luck with using only Thyro-L. Usually, I have seen 
the "ouchy feet" go away in a couple of weeks and their energy and 
condition perk up pretty quick. I'd stay away from all of the other 
stuff, at least initially, until you see if the Thyro-L will do the trick.


Good luck with him and take care,

Beth

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a while ago i posted that oz was discovered to be anemic, and several 
members questioned that diagnosis, and i thank them for that.


we had another vet at the barn last week who regularly treats the other 
fjord that i board with, and he suggested running bloodwork that is screened in 
lexington, KY, looking for cushings, thyroid problems, insulin and cortisol 
problems.


i got the results yesterday, and oz came up with hypothyroid and cushings. 
at first i was devastated until i started reading support group postings, 
and got some input from tanya welsch, who owns oz's girlfriend at the barn.


at least now we have an clear explanation of why he's been so off, and i 
can't seem to get the weight off him that he's recently acquired. perhaps this 
contributed to his ouchie feet, though he doesn't seem to have foundered. 
he has   a farrier appointment next week and i will discuss what's going on 
with him and the best way to keep his feet healthy.


i have read a lot about what to feed and what not to feed, pergolide and a 
thyroid supplement, though i had already started him on that and he has 
perked up somewhat. he still feels "off" when we ride, but now i know why. my 
poor baby.


he went out yesterday with his muzzle on and totally hated it, of course. 
he pouted, he glared at me, he had one of the other geldings try and help him 
remove it, he rubbed his head on the trees, and when i left was sulking by 
the fence.


i have talked to the barn manager about setting up a dry lot, which i am 
sure would benefit both the of the fjords, and we will discuss hay issues and 
such.   she is more than willing to work with me, since she knows how 
concerned i have been about him lately.


the one good thing about the situation is that i retired march 31st, and 
can now go to the barn which is 7 miles away, during the day on a regular 
basis to take care of him. we have ridden almost every day, mostly just a walk 
while he's been off, to keep him moving. his energy has come back with the 
thyroid he's on and we have started trotting again for short periods.


i have a video on youtube taken monday with a friend riding him, search for 
fjord oz and it should come up, or else my name on there is crystalzak.


thanks for being here
laurie, and oz, the unhappy camper, soon to be feeling better

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Re: oz update

[Debby]

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Glad you got the test results back.  How much of the Thyroid L are you 
giving?
I'd try to not do pergolide unless you really really have to.  I'd had Amber 
on it and it can do a number on their tummies and I found it to make her 
lethargic, probably from the tummy issues.  And she ended up with owey feet 
too.  I ended up keeping her up in her stall for propbably 6 weeks, heavily 
bedded, but if she'd had access to a thick sand lot, that would have worked 
too.  I'd also make sure the farrier does not take sole especially in front 
of the frog, and especially if Oz ends up on a sand lot and is getting some 
exercise, I find the sand does a great job of sanding their hooveswe 
just make sure the heel does not get long.
I'd also had to have Amber on some pain meds, but gave her tummy meds too, 
shes down to 1/2gram of the bute a day, but was getting close to 
2grams...this was after the farrier had come and done too much.
Speaking of ponies, have to get them in, I'm only letting them out on the 
grass around the barn 2hrs. a day, mornings, and its kept mowed and short. 
The rest of the time they have their runs with a bit of stuff growing so 
that they walk around and graze some...I have 20 acres of lush grass that my 
three can't have access too...doesn't seem fair to me!

take care.
Debby
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From: 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 8:01 AM
Subject: oz update



This message is from: crystal...@aol.com


a while ago i posted that oz was discovered to be anemic, and several
members questioned that diagnosis, and i thank them for that.

we had another vet at the barn last week who regularly treats the other
fjord that i board with, and he suggested running bloodwork that is 
screened in
lexington, KY, looking for cushings, thyroid problems, insulin and 
cortisol

problems.

i got the results yesterday, and oz came up with hypothyroid and cushings.
at first i was devastated until i started reading support group postings,
and got some input from tanya welsch, who owns oz's girlfriend at the 
barn.


at least now we have an clear explanation of why he's been so off, and i
can't seem to get the weight off him that he's recently acquired. perhaps 
this

contributed to his ouchie feet, though he doesn't seem to have foundered.
he has   a farrier appointment next week and i will discuss what's going 
on

with him and the best way to keep his feet healthy.

i have read a lot about what to feed and what not to feed, pergolide and a
thyroid supplement, though i had already started him on that and he has
perked up somewhat. he still feels "off" when we ride, but now i know why. 
my

poor baby.

he went out yesterday with his muzzle on and totally hated it, of course.
he pouted, he glared at me, he had one of the other geldings try and help 
him

remove it, he rubbed his head on the trees, and when i left was sulking by
the fence.

i have talked to the barn manager about setting up a dry lot, which i am
sure would benefit both the of the fjords, and we will discuss hay issues 
and

such.   she is more than willing to work with me, since she knows how
concerned i have been about him lately.

the one good thing about the situation is that i retired march 31st, and
can now go to the barn which is 7 miles away, during the day on a regular
basis to take care of him. we have ridden almost every day, mostly just a 
walk

while he's been off, to keep him moving. his energy has come back with the
thyroid he's on and we have started trotting again for short periods.

i have a video on youtube taken monday with a friend riding him, search 
for

fjord oz and it should come up, or else my name on there is crystalzak.

thanks for being here
laurie, and oz, the unhappy camper, soon to be feeling better

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Re: oz does a clinic

[Marsha Jo Hannah]

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crystal...@aol.com wrote:

i realized, after it was all done, that i have now been riding for
almost 9 years. i guess it's time i stop thinking of myself as a
rank beginning and accept that i do know something about what i am
doing. now i just need to apply it with confidence and we will both
improve.

laurie, and oz


LOL!  Then there are those, like me, who are "experienced
beginners"---I've been "practicing my mistakes" for nearly 30 years,
now.  ;-)

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han...@ai.sri.com   anything that can go wrong, will!
15 mi SW of Roseburg, Oregon

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Re: oz does a clinic

[debora seely]

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Lucky you!!!
 
   Brad is a great instuctor.   I took a lesson on my lipizzan with him.  
Sometime I would love to get a lesson with my fjord.
 
Deb in Michigan

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oz does a clinic

[CrystalZak]

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for the first time since i got him, when we did a desensitization clinic, 
oz an i attended a real clinic. it was given at the barn we used to board at 
in st. cloud, mn. the clinician was brad cutshall, who i understand is well 
known in the dressage world.

i felt somewhat intimidated, since i never consider myself much of a rider, 
but he made everyone feel at ease. it helped somewhat that my significant 
other picked him up at the airport so the barn owner wouldn't have to come 
down and back to minneapolis twice. she also sent someone with a trailer to 
pick up oz! i thought that was really nice.

there were riders all the way from grand prix (the barn owner), different 
levels, or just casual riders. he worked with all of us at the same intensity 
and excitement. i worked a lot on bending and softening with oz, which has 
always been an issue with him. i learned i give in too soon, and that i need 
to spend more time working out..it was quite a worthwhile 
experience for both of us.

i realized, after it was all done, that i have now been riding for almost 9 
years. i guess it's time i stop thinking of myself as a rank beginning and 
accept that i do know something about what i am doing. now i just need to 
apply it with confidence and we will both improve.

laurie, and oz, the traveling pony, who got to see all his old friends 
again

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oz goes to a clinic

[CrystalZak]

This message is from: crystal...@aol.com


the barn where i formerly boarded oz is having a clinic this weekend by 
brad cutshall. he is well known, though i have never encountered him, and this 
is the first clinic i have ever done. the barn owner offered to come down 
and get oz and let me ride, though i think the clinic was full. we will be the 
guest mystery rider, the only fjordie in the bunch.

i am looking foward to it. he specializes in suppleness and softness, both 
of which i need to work on, and i am sure it will be helpful to also watch 
the other participants.

we will let you know how it goes.

laurie and oz, who along with viola, and been starting to shed a 
bitmight as well start when it's below zero

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Oz "got mud"....

[Jeanne Zuker]

This message is from: Jeanne Zuker 

YES!!  After rain for a couple days/nights, part of the pasure is muddy (some
is slightly swampy), Monty the Magnificent Muddy Fjord LOVES IT.  He has found
his favorite places to roll and stretch out...really nice since it is far too
chilly now for a BATH!! :) 
 
Sunday he got to running and doing a Yaaa-HO slidding stop that I just
couldn't take it and brought him inside about 6pm!! (I think THAT was HIS
intentions all along.)  It wasn't just a couple times, he was also doing some
'sliding' turns just before the barn!!  I didn't mind it out in the pasture
where he had plenty of room to run (that pony got extra gears sometimes lol)
and turn, but when he was running full out towards the barnokay, I
actually looked to make sure I had my vet's emergency number...it was just too
much.  When I went out he ran the length of the pasture to the barn (looked
very pleased that he beat me) and when I opened the slider, he was right
there, put his head down, got his halter on and proceded to his stall.
 
This morning I took him outside and decided to give him a good brushing and
get some of the caked on mess off him while he ate some hay, when I was done,
he shook, got a drink of water and immediately went out to the mud and
ROLLED...then he came trotting back to me...mud caked in his mane, tail, his
sides, back forelock, face, knees...I swear he SMILED!!!
 
I think we are supposed to get a break from some of the rain for a few days
and hopefully the pasture will dry up some.  I worry about the mud with Monty
making the stops and turns, I don't mind the brushing to clean him up but
don't want the injuries that speed through my head watching him.  Sounds like
Oz enjoys the mud as much as Monty.
 
Jeanne Z and Monty
MI/USA

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oz wins over another barn

[CrystalZak]

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 i'm gonna brag on my boy. my friend carol, whom some of you have met, rode 
him in a lesson this   morning   at our new barn. she did very well at 
getting him moving and working without a whip. a far cry from the first lesson 
she had on him last summer when getting him to even move was a challenge.
>
then the instructor got on him, just to try him out. she's not the barn   
owner, but is the barn manager and teaches, tooquite young, very good.

 she was VERY impressed with him.his conditioning, how light he is in   
the mouth, and how well he worked for her. she had him collected, doing an 
extended trot on the diagonal and really moving (!!!) and a relaxed loose 
rein canter around the entire arena. who is this horse and what have they done 
  with my oz??? it was amazing to see, and shows me how much more he is 
capable of than i can do with him. i would love to work him to a higher level, 
but my knee is still giving me fits, and he's so wide in that dressage 
saddle that my hips ache. guess he'll get me back in shape.
>
i love my pony. the only other fjords they have ever had out there, aside 
from viola, were really "fluffy", and tended to not have much training, so he 
is quite impressive.

everyone who has ever ridden him says he is fun to ride. i know every where 
we go, the kids (big and little) really love him. he is turned out with my 
mini and lulu, another mini. they make quite the threesome.

laurie, and oz, a legend in his own mind, and gizmo, the 3 legged wonder 
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Re: Oz made me do it.

[KateSeidel]

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Oh - even when I roach them down, I leave a "handle" on them at the  withers. 
 I tell them it is distinctive, but they do not really seem to  care much 
either way.
 
Kate
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I  haven't done Bogie yet because he's my bareback pony and I'd like to 
keep  something to grab in case of unexpected events for a little while  
longer. 


 
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Re: Oz made me do it.

[kngould]

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I roach my two geldings in the spring (getting ready to do so in another 
couple of days); but leave what I call a "oh sh**" handle on the bottom! It 
about a hand's width of mane I just let grow so that I too have something to 
grab onto. I don't think it looks too bad, either.

Kim
(Asti and Woody, who both think they are pretty dapper no matter what mom 
does to their manes)
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Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 10:52 AM
Subject: Oz made me do it.



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Inspired by Laurie's bold hairdressing moves, I did what I thought I'd 
never
do...roached Braveheart's mane right down to nothing!  I saved up and, 2 
days
ago, the industrial strength clippers I've been wanting arrived so I made 
my
move.  Although BH, himself, was largely unconcerned about this 
development I
still wasn't sure that I was doing the right thing so the big trim (about 
3
passes with these new clippers) was a pretty unnerving experience for me. 
Now I
will sit around with scissors anxiously awaiting the return of said mane 
so I
can supervise it back into a nice tidy, traditional do.  Meanwhile, he 
looks
different but not really too bad.  Actually, all saddled up, he looks a 
lot
like a foundation quarter horse. I look at him when we're ready to go and 
it kind

of makes me want to go out and work cattle.
   I haven't done Bogie yet because he's my bareback pony and I'd like to
keep something to grab in case of unexpected events for a little while 
longer.
Both of them are shedding like crazy ponies and, like Susan said, I'm 
getting
a lot of mileage out of my leaf rake as a grooming tool. All this in spite 
of
the fact that the weatherman says we have another shot at snow this 
weekend.
Still, that'll be nothing compared to the blizzards and flooding being 
endured

by our neighbors to the west.  Are all you guys out that way OK?

Kay
and Braveheart, who thinks himself quite sveldte-looking
and Bogie, who thinks a lot of things but can't say any of them because 
he's

laughing too hard
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Oz made me do it.

[JadeBear]

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Inspired by Laurie's bold hairdressing moves, I did what I thought I'd never 
do...roached Braveheart's mane right down to nothing!  I saved up and, 2 days 
ago, the industrial strength clippers I've been wanting arrived so I made my 
move.  Although BH, himself, was largely unconcerned about this development I 
still wasn't sure that I was doing the right thing so the big trim (about 3 
passes with these new clippers) was a pretty unnerving experience for me.  Now 
I 
will sit around with scissors anxiously awaiting the return of said mane so I 
can supervise it back into a nice tidy, traditional do.  Meanwhile, he looks 
different but not really too bad.  Actually, all saddled up, he looks a lot 
like a foundation quarter horse. I look at him when we're ready to go and it 
kind 
of makes me want to go out and work cattle.
I haven't done Bogie yet because he's my bareback pony and I'd like to 
keep something to grab in case of unexpected events for a little while longer.  
Both of them are shedding like crazy ponies and, like Susan said, I'm getting 
a lot of mileage out of my leaf rake as a grooming tool. All this in spite of 
the fact that the weatherman says we have another shot at snow this weekend.  
Still, that'll be nothing compared to the blizzards and flooding being endured 
by our neighbors to the west.  Are all you guys out that way OK?
 
Kay
and Braveheart, who thinks himself quite sveldte-looking
and Bogie, who thinks a lot of things but can't say any of them because he's 
laughing too hard
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Re: oz as a lesson horse

[CrystalZak]

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thanks for everyone's comments about oz. he really is quite amazing, and i 
often wonder how i ended up being lucky enough to have him. it gives me chills 
to think how close i came to selling him two years ago..

laurie, and oz, who gets extra carrots this week


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Re: Oz as a lesson horse

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Kay--
 
That's just great...now there are a million little first graders also  
clamoring for Bogie's affections right along with me.  He is really going  to 
leave 
a trail of disappointment when he relocates to North  Carolina.  How long do I 
have to ride the fumes of our brief love affair at  the Kentucky Horse Park 
before he and I meet again?!
 
A few pictures of him in full winter yaklike splendor might tide me over...  
:)
 
Kris in NC
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Re: oz as a lesson horse

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Like Kate, I am not a bit surprised that Oz would carefully protect a rider 
who needed it.  Like many Fjords, he's not just another pretty face...he's also 
a great companion pony, for which many folks have unsuccessfully searched the 
length and breadth of entire breeds. We Fjordies and Fjordettes have an 
embarrassment of riches in this regard.  Almost everyone has at least one great 
companion pony waiting for them in the barn and, more often than any other 
breed, 
more than one.  
Braveheart, the Wonder Pony, stands like a rock for however long it takes 
me to get on or off (saddle or carriage) and, as much as he likes to fly, 
will only do what I think I can do on any given day.  Bogie, the Love Pony, is 
careful and deliberate and, last week, stood like a fluffy statue for almost 2 
hours while about a million first graders at a local elementary school...it was 
"Cowboy" day...crowded around him to pet, ask questions and brush him.  He 
now has a ton of new friends and a very well-groomed tummy. I was so proud of 
him.
As I said, we are SO lucky.
 
Kay
and Braveheart, who says, "I AM quite saintly."
and Bogie, who says, "PT!  And who does she pick for her bareback rides?"
and Braveheart, who replies, "Hah!  You want virtue points for being too fat 
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Re: oz as a lesson horse

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<<  she, of course, chose oz >>
Well - naturally she would choose Oz!!  That boy has become so  versatile, 
it's hard to imagine anyone who would NOT choose Oz.  Easy with  beginners, 
more 
animated with advanced riders, personality.  Really, he has  it all.  One of 
the nice things about hanging around the Fjord list is  getting to see how 
some of these horses has changed.  Oz was nice to begin  with, but he has 
really 
become a wonderful pony!
 
Now, we just need to get him driving too !!
 
Kate
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oz as a lesson horse

[CrystalZak]

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there is a girl at our barn with some developmental and emotional 
difficulties. she has also, as she's grown, put on some extra weight. she has 
always 
ridden one of the school horses, and seems to have some natural ability, even 
though she struggles in many aspects of her life.

she and her mom made a trip last summer to beaver dam fjords, and of course, 
loved the horses.

today she rode oz for a lesson, since she has been away for a while and the 
one lesson horse that she has ridden is probably not the best choice for her, 
as he is quite narrow and tends to have a rather fast canter.

i was really amazed at how well he behaved for her, and how well she moved on 
him. he has a tendency to be quite lazy (after all, he's a fjord, right?) and 
if you don't pay attention he likes to suck toward the instructor. he also 
cuts corners and is hard to get into a trot. well..i watched her lesson, 
and 
they worked very well together. because he is wider than the school horse, 
she kept her balance really well, and he moved off her leg when she asked, 
keeping up his trot. i was very proud of the effort of both of them. at the end 
of 
the lesson, the instructor asked if she would rather ride oz or the lesson 
horse the next time..she, of course, chose oz..

he seemed to know.

laurie, and oz, who handled her with care


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Re: oz teaches a friend

[KateSeidel]

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Crystal - we keep Della in a piano key haircut as well (although Joe says  he 
is way too much of a stud for such shenanigans).  It's probably her most  
popular feature amongst the barn population.  Despite Joe being gray and  Della 
being brown, it's the haircut that lets me tell them apart when they are  way 
across the field and I don't have my glasses on!!
 
Kate
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Re: oz teaches a friend

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Nice story and a super pic to go with it :-)
The bareback pad looks super
comfy too!!!
Heather & Henry



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Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 10:05:36 AM
Subject: oz teaches a friend

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i know that many of you who have been at
BE have met my friend carol. she has 
come with me to the show since my first
year there, even though she was a 
self-proclaimed non horse person. she was
somewhat fearful of them, but did all 
the work of cleaning stalls, hauling
water, etc., when i rode.

last year, after our local horse expo, she decided
to take lessons. i think 
what pushed her in that direction was linda
syverson-kerr tossing her marcus's 
reins and saying hold him for a minute,
will you? carol's thoughts were "hey 
wait, i don't know what i am doing." and
then she went out to remedy that, not 
telling me until she was well into it.
she now goes every week, and is 
cantering and has a fun instructor who works
well with her.

she has come up to my barn several times for a lesson on oz,
who has shown 
her just how stubborn a fjord can be. this time we were just
riding, and she got 
him to listen, and then took her first ever bareback
ride. he was a total 
good boy the entire day, and i am so proud of them both.
here's a link to their picture:
__http://livinginoz.smugmug.com/photos/340376617_mxU47-M.jpg__

laurie, and
oz, the lovely, whose new haircut has been described as looking 
like a piano
(thanks carol makosky for letting me steal your idea)



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oz teaches a friend

[CrystalZak]

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i know that many of you who have been at BE have met my friend carol. she has 
come with me to the show since my first year there, even though she was a 
self-proclaimed non horse person. she was somewhat fearful of them, but did all 
the work of cleaning stalls, hauling water, etc., when i rode.

last year, after our local horse expo, she decided to take lessons. i think 
what pushed her in that direction was linda syverson-kerr tossing her marcus's 
reins and saying hold him for a minute, will you? carol's thoughts were "hey 
wait, i don't know what i am doing." and then she went out to remedy that, not 
telling me until she was well into it. she now goes every week, and is 
cantering and has a fun instructor who works well with her.

she has come up to my barn several times for a lesson on oz, who has shown 
her just how stubborn a fjord can be. this time we were just riding, and she 
got 
him to listen, and then took her first ever bareback ride. he was a total 
good boy the entire day, and i am so proud of them both.

here's a link to their picture:

__http://livinginoz.smugmug.com/photos/340376617_mxU47-M.jpg__

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I always put a "belt and suspenders" on those gates with the chain latch 
as you describe.


I once watched one of our horses open the chain latch by rattling the 
gate repeatedly with his nose. It was clear to me that the horse knew 
exactly what to do.


The chain eventually worked its way out of the "L" slot and fell free. 
The horse then shoved the gate open to get into the next pasture. (I 
knew his escape would be a safe one -- I just wanted to see what he was 
up to!)


DeeAnna

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I have no doubt at all that Oz can easily get out of the chain arrangement  
you described.  Although generally my Fjords would prefer to break down the  
fence to get to a round bale, they are pretty good with latches too.   
Definitely needs to be some kind of clip for us to remain secure.
 
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I love that Laurie: prehensile nose!!!  A very apt description!
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ok, so a couple of weeks ago, oz was found on a saturday morning happily 
munching on some hay stored in the barn by the school horses. it was still warm 
enough that the barn doors were open at night. i had assumed that i didn't hook 
the gate on his pasture well enough the night before when i left.

ha. yesterday i went to ride after work, and by the time i got ready to go 
outside and get him, it was dark. i always take my flashlight so i don't fall 
into a snowbank, and when i aimed it where he usually is standing..what? 
the 
gate is open. there are several adjoining pastures next to his, and when i 
starting shining the light along the fence, there he was. first he was pawing 
at 
some snow, and then he leisurely wandered into another pasture where there 
was a round balehmmm, dinner, course two.

i am thinking the boy has learned to open the gate. it's a metal panel gate, 
with a chain attached that goes around the post and then comes back to hook 
into the gate. i am not sure if anyone has seen them, they are probably 
commonthere's a metal plate at the edge of the upright with an L shaped 
notch. the 
chain goes into the notch, and is held in place by the link of the next 
chain, which won't go through. i suspect he and his prehensile nose have been 
playing with it and discovered he can let himself out for a free buffet.

it is now closed with a clip and wrapped twice around. i don't think he'd go 
much farther than the first hay bale he found, but me thinks i prefer the 
mental security of knowing where he is all night. he and about a half dozen 
others 
are on outside board, he has a shelter and a heated bucket. we are thinking 
he may get his own round bale for a while, since it's been so cold and he seems 
to be a little thinner than i would like for the winter.

on a different breed note..there is now a lovely friesian gelding 
boarding there, the only other horse with a forelock as long as ozzie's. the 
woman 
offered me a ride on him last weekend, and i begged off since he'd only been 
there a few days. however, my instructor's 11 year old daughter rode him, so 
next 
time she's around, i will take her up on the offer. he's got awesome gaits 
and a wonderfully calm demeanor. if anyone is interested, he can be seen at 
brecdressage.com, look under sales and WOPKE...

laurie and oz, who really does think the bale is greener on the other side of 
the fence.


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Re: oz tv

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In a message dated 9/5/07 10:05:51 AM,
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> Re: oz tv debut...and his fans scream "MORE CAMERA TIME FOR THE BLOND
> HORSE!"
>
> This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Oz was beauteous (as always) but both Braveheart and Bogie believe the
> exposure given to the other horses (and most of the people) would have been
> much
> better spent by focusing on Oz. 
>

ROFMAO, i totally agree. heck, he was on just as much of a diet as the
people, and he wasn't nearly so much a ham on camera as the mom (i got the
inside
scoop at the barn from the people who were there). i wish he could have
appeared
with a less army-style haircut, however, as usual, my timing was off.

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Oz was beauteous (as always) but both Braveheart and Bogie believe the 
exposure given to the other horses (and most of the people) would have been 
much 
better spent by focusing on Oz.  
 
Kay
and Braveheart and Bogie, who think that the really bad judgement exercised 
by TLC in picking the most important central character in that segment probably 
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ok, according to the TLC website, the program that oz was filmed for is on 
tonight. the program is "honey   we're killing the kids" and it's on at 7pm ET. 
i have no idea how much time he will be shown, and i am pretty sure it's right 
at the end, but we know they were at the barn and filmed him :)

he promises it won't go to his head.probably because he's more interested 
in things that go to him stomache.

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RE: Oz

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Hi Laurie, condolences to your pocketbook.  Our equine addiction can be
expensive.  We have the vet out every year in March to draw their EIA
tests, check teeth, clean sheaths, give shots, and give them an all over
wellness exam.  Every year the vet offers to coach me through sheath
cleaning, he says its routine maintainance that can easily be done by the
owner...  Eee!  I'm quite happy to pay for that charming task to be
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Re: the great and all powerful Oz...our hero.

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I, too, am one of the many admirers of the great and powerful Oz.  His 
picture is one of those adorning my refrigerator...a position of honor and 
respect 
here at Yellow Pony Farm.  You ARE quite the ambassador, big boy!
 
Kay
and Braveheart, who says, "Look!  I'm 15 hands high too!"
and Bogie, who says, "Oh, sure.  Get off the coffee table."
 
 



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RE: the great and all powerful Oz

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I drooled over Oz at MN Expo.  I mean pools of drool.  I will be spending
time in Hades for the sin of coveting Oz.  The only thing I didn't
immediately love about Oz is his height.  But after being around him for
two days at such a Very nerve wracking event, I thought 15 hands is
do-able if he acts like that.  He is beautiful and fabulous and optimal
in body and mind.  I used to have a "friend" who I would come away from
feeling confused, or somehow "less-than" after our time together.  I
figure life is too short to spend time with people who, for whatever
reason, leave me feeling "less-than".  Oz is perfect, and science,
although not perfect, has come a long way toward helping humans and other
critters live healthier.  I do give shots and I do worm per my Vet's
advice.

Oz's Fan Club Member, Kate in Bemidji, MN

  >i just want to make sure i am doing right by him. did those of you
  at the
  >expo find him to look in less than optimum health? thanks for
  letting me think
  >this out, since i always feel confused when i come back from her
  place.
  >
  >laurie, and oz
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Re: oz the TV personality :) kinda long

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ah that is a great story Laurie   I am glad you are doing so well with 
him!!!


Reena
AZ


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> the cable channel TLC has a program called "honey, we're killing the kids", 
> which takes a look at childhood obesity in the US. the host, who is a 
> dietitian and works with families to help find a solution for them, chose a 
> family 
> in st. cloud, the city in central minnesota where i work. after interacting 
> with the family for a few weeks, they finish up with the family have some 
> kind 
> of exercise play day. they did some research in the area and chose the barn 
> where i board oz for the family to visit. they got to meet some of the 
> horses, do some grooming and feeding, and then got to ride.
> 
the kids and the mom were overweight, with her weighing about 260. while the 
kids, especially the younger ones, could ride the school horses, teresa wasn't 
sure they had a horse that could carry the womanexcept oz! i was 
about 230 when i first got him, so there's no doubt he could carry her.

he was just a super actor.stood quietly while they groomed and fussed 
over him, and was calm when she rode, for the most part ;) she was apparently 
quite nervous because of a past experience with a not so nice horse. she had 
relaxed quite a bit and they were doing an interview with her on oz, with the 
camera man squatting down to the side of him. well, he stood up, and at the 
same 
time the blower on the overhead heater came on and both things startled oz a 
little. he did a typical fjord spook.he took two sideways steps and trotted 
off. the woman lost her balance and fell off. oz simply trotted over to where 
my instructor was standing to visit her.

happily enough she was not only not hurt, but got back on and rode some more. 
she apparently commented on what a positive experience it was for her, both 
the program and the riding. her husband also did some walk/trot on him.

everyone, including the barn owner, commented on what a good boy he was. i 
don't know when the show will air, and how much time will be devoted to the 
riding part, but if someone says they saw a fjord on TLC.it was OZ!!!

to top it off, when i finished my lesson tonight, i got on him bareback and 
rode him around the arena for a while to cool off. 

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Re: oz as a teacher

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Hi,
   I would think most fjords are good at basic dressage.  All the ones I 
have ridden are sure great. Just be sure the withers are level with or higher 
than the croup.  You don't ever want a "down-hill" horse for dressage.   Mine 
comes from a line of draftier ones but she is a medium build and is quickly 
learning dressage.  When  I was looking at horses, I came across a gelding that 
is almost 15 hands.  He would need someone to put more training on him.  If you 
ever want more info on him, please email me privately.
  Deb 

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> i have a good friend at work who rides at the same barn i do with oz. he 
> loves dressage and has been really struggling with his appaloosa for a while, 
> and last week or so finally decided he had enough and was going to quit 
> riding. (he has said this before, but this time he seemed more determine). 
> our barn 
> owner and trainer suggested perhaps it was time to look at a different 
> horse, since these two don't seem too well suited to each other.
> 
he has been riding oz on a pretty regular basis, both so that oz gets more 
riding time, and also so brian can ride other horses besides his own. last 
night 
the two of them had a really nice ride. i watched them, and oz was extending 
very nicely, and looks very well balanced, with lots of muscle showing in his 
rear (not too bad for a former poster child on how not to feed your fjordie). 
brian was working a lot on a loose rein, and using seat and leg aids. i could 
see that oz was responding very very well, and they were having a good time. 
then i got on him to cool him off, and used a lot of seat and very little rein, 
and he was great. we were doing stops on voice and seat commandshe 
has been very comfortable and happy lately and it shows.

before brian left, he stopped by where i was brushing oz and said "i guess 
maybe i won't quit after all". :):)

i think he would love a fjord, but because he's tall and burly (though he's 
lost about 60 pounds since he started riding a few years ago), he thinks he 
looks too big for a fjord. i think he looks just fine on oz, but then again, 
he's 
15 hands and very drafty. i am not sure if the lighter fjords would work, or 
on the other hand, can a drafty type fjord do dressage?

by the way, we had 14" of snow last weekend, and another foot is predicted 
for this week.yikes.

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> i have a good friend at work who rides at the same barn i do with oz. he 
> loves dressage and has been really struggling with his appaloosa for a while, 
> and last week or so finally decided he had enough and was going to quit 
> riding. (he has said this before, but this time he seemed more determine). 
> our barn 
> owner and trainer suggested perhaps it was time to look at a different 
> horse, since these two don't seem too well suited to each other.
> 
he has been riding oz on a pretty regular basis, both so that oz gets more 
riding time, and also so brian can ride other horses besides his own. last 
night 
the two of them had a really nice ride. i watched them, and oz was extending 
very nicely, and looks very well balanced, with lots of muscle showing in his 
rear (not too bad for a former poster child on how not to feed your fjordie). 
brian was working a lot on a loose rein, and using seat and leg aids. i could 
see that oz was responding very very well, and they were having a good time. 
then i got on him to cool him off, and used a lot of seat and very little rein, 
and he was great. we were doing stops on voice and seat commandshe 
has been very comfortable and happy lately and it shows.

before brian left, he stopped by where i was brushing oz and said "i guess 
maybe i won't quit after all". :):)

i think he would love a fjord, but because he's tall and burly (though he's 
lost about 60 pounds since he started riding a few years ago), he thinks he 
looks too big for a fjord. i think he looks just fine on oz, but then again, 
he's 
15 hands and very drafty. i am not sure if the lighter fjords would work, or 
on the other hand, can a drafty type fjord do dressage?

by the way, we had 14" of snow last weekend, and another foot is predicted 
for this week.yikes.

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Re: a saddle for oz

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I recently purchased a treeless saddle for my tubby Fjord (which will hopefully 
help a bit with the tubbiness).  Its from Nickers saddlery, the Harmony which 
is the Western version.  Similar to the Hybrid now advertised on the site.  
This is a fabulous saddle, comfortable, perfect fit, non-slip, really works 
well.  And beautifully made.  I highly recommend Nickers Saddlery.  I got the 
saddle used and Dana, the owner of the company, responded to my questions about 
the saddle, even though I was not buying it from her.

Silja Knoll <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  This message is from: Silja Knoll 

I have also recently tried the Duett saddles on my Fjord and found them to fit 
well. My mare would need a 38 cm and with her short back it was recommended 
that I do not go above a 17 inch seat so that she doesn't carry the weight too 
far back. Something to consider. 
Turns out that I am going to go the treeless route and ordered a Trekker 
endurance/dressage saddle from England. Should be here in a few weeks. With the 
amount of riding I do in the mountains and flatwork in the arena I hope it is 
the right fit for us.
The Duetts are really nice saddles! Good luck!

Silja
in Colorado, where the snow has finally meltedfor now.


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i want to thank whomever on the list sent me in the direction of the chubby 
pony website. she introduced me to Duett saddles, which are made for very wide 
horses. after having tried about 5 other brands, the best of which so far 
belongs to heike and she wants it back, today i rode in one of the Duett 
Companion 
II, which they call a trail saddle, but could easily be mistaken for an all 
purpose, or used for dressage.

here i'd been thinking i could ride in a 17 inch, turns out that the 19 inch 
is really what i needed. and the tree size is 36mm. i think all you people who 
have round fjords like mine know what size that is.

i am going to ride in it again tomorrow night, and have the barn owner check 
the size on oz, and then i think i have finally found what i need. and i love 
that it's a two tone design

here's the site for the dealer:
Duett Saddles: The Partnership of Horse & Rider

or: http://www.duettsaddles.com/trail.htm, if the link doesn't work

it's fun to look at the photos of Horses in Duetts, there are several fjords 
on there.

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I have also recently tried the Duett saddles on my Fjord and found them to fit 
well.  My mare would need a 38 cm and with her short back it was recommended 
that I do not go above a 17 inch seat so that she doesn't carry the weight too 
far back. Something to consider.  
  Turns out that I am going to go the treeless route and ordered a Trekker 
endurance/dressage saddle from England.  Should be here in a few weeks.  With 
the amount of riding I do in the mountains and flatwork in the arena I hope it 
is the right fit for us.
  The Duetts are really nice saddles!  Good luck!
   
  Silja
  in Colorado, where the snow has finally meltedfor now.

   
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i want to thank whomever on the list sent me in the direction of the chubby 
pony website. she introduced me to Duett saddles, which are made for very wide 
horses. after having tried about 5 other brands, the best of which so far 
belongs to heike and she wants it back, today i rode in one of the Duett 
Companion 
II, which they call a trail saddle, but could easily be mistaken for an all 
purpose, or used for dressage.

here i'd been thinking i could ride in a 17 inch, turns out that the 19 inch 
is really what i needed. and the tree size is 36mm. i think all you people who 
have round fjords like mine know what size that is.

i am going to ride in it again tomorrow night, and have the barn owner check 
the size on oz, and then i think i have finally found what i need. and i love 
that it's a two tone design

here's the site for the dealer:
Duett Saddles: The Partnership of Horse & Rider

or: http://www.duettsaddles.com/trail.htm, if the link doesn't work

it's fun to look at the photos of Horses in Duetts, there are several fjords 
on there.

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slowing down as he used to

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i want to thank whomever on the list sent me in the direction of the chubby 
pony website. she introduced me to Duett saddles, which are made for very wide 
horses. after having tried about 5 other brands, the best of which so far 
belongs to heike and she wants it back, today i rode in one of the Duett 
Companion 
II, which they call a trail saddle, but could easily be mistaken for an all 
purpose, or used for dressage.

here i'd been thinking i could ride in a 17 inch, turns out that the 19 inch 
is really what i needed. and the tree size is 36mm. i think all you people who 
have round fjords like mine know what size that is.

i am going to ride in it again tomorrow night, and have the barn owner check 
the size on oz, and then i think i have finally found what i need. and i love 
that it's a two tone design

here's the site for the dealer:
Duett Saddles: The Partnership of Horse & Rider

or: http://www.duettsaddles.com/trail.htm, if the link doesn't work

it's fun to look at the photos of Horses in Duetts, there are several fjords 
on there.

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slowing down as he used to

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oz charms 'em (long)

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oz is now residing at a new barn, which, while it doesn't strictly cater to 
dressage, does have a lot of horses that are ridden for it, plus the 
owner/trainer rides upper level herself. there are a lot of warmbloods, and 
expensive 
horses, along with trail and school horses, so there is quite a variety. 
however, everyone just loves to visit with my hairy beast. even one woman, who 
has a 
$35,000 (YIKES) dutch paint warmblood was entranced when she met him.

i think what i am seeing with him is that fjords are very affected by the 
attitude of the people around them, as we discussed recently. at the other 
place 
i had him, though the owner is a friend, she did not like him, and told me he 
didn't like people, didn't want to work and had a bad attitude. she said not 
to ride him, and since he injured her daughter, please take him home. which 
didn't do anything to help my fear of riding.

i have watched him being ridden at the new place, and ridden him a couple of 
times myself. the young rider, the high school guy who helped me trailer him, 
rode him tuesday night. his comments were "it's like getting on a couch", 
"he's GOOD", and "don't let this on get away." he described him to a friend who 
also rides there as "perfect." wow.both the instructors have said he 
seems very calm, not showing any signs of lousy attitude or any inclination to 
spook. and he responds wonderfully to cues...he managed to rub his halter 
off in the pasture, and since it was dark i couldn't go look for it, so i 
simply 
wrapped his lead rope around his nose to lead him into the barn, followed by 
three little girls who all wanted to help.

i rode him last night and even got him to do some side passes, and very 
definitive turns on the forehand, something i haven't been really able to feel 
before, but i could feel every foot placement last night.

i think my confidence and abilities are improving, and something tells me i 
shouldn't let this one get away

laurie, and oz, who wonders if the english saddle they managed to find that 
fit him made his butt look 
big :)

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Re: Laurie and Oz

[J&H Carlson]

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I was happy to see you "followed your nose" and had Oz shod.  Had the same 
kind of problem with my old fellow Thor.  He went wild at a night parade, 
another time tore heavy gates off the hinges and threatened to demolish the 
barn.  It took a couple of exams, but he was found to have gluacoma, very 
painful eye pressure.


Now he's back to his usual self, a grump, but my grump with a terrific work 
ethic.


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oz and knee

[brass-ring-farm]

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Hi Laurie - the left knee is the hardest, of course, getting on and off,
what with that pivoting motion. I don't use a mounting block getting off,
yet, but have evolved a slightly warped way of taking the right foot out
of the stirrup, swinging it over to the left, putting my body over the
saddle, taking out my left foot and using the saddle to lower myself.
That sounds awful, and I know it is vulnerable, but so far it has worked.
The horses have to stand like rocks, and, possibly because they are so
happy I am getting off, they do.
I have a mounting block at home that my husband made, a heavy
wooden one that just stays in the ring. At first the horses would swing
away from it, so I put two tall traffic cones, making a kind of aisle. If
they really felt the need to move away and step into the cones, they
wouldn't get hurt. They respect the barrier and it has helped them think
that they have to stand by a block, and when there are no cones, beside a
rock or stump out on the trail; they are a lot better about just standing
now.
Valerie

RE: oz and knees

[Frederick J Pack]

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Laurie,
Where did you upload the pictures to?

All the best,
Fred

All Mail is scanned in AND out by Norton Anti-virus.
Fred and Lois Pack
Pack's Peak Stables
Wilkeson, Washington 98396 

Re: oz and knees

[CrystalZak]

This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

In a message dated 8/7/06 8:44:57 PM, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


> Hey, that's great Lori! Which knee is it? I know once I had my partial
> knee replacements, riding became a pleasure, no pain in the knees. I have
> one of those 3 step mounting bloc
> 

hi valerie. it's the left knee, though i am planning the other one to be done 
in october. i have a 2 step block, and it's find for getting on, but i do 
have to work to get my foot solidly on it to get off. i may try a taller one, 
and 
then we will work on him to stand quietly while i dismount. he's pretty good 
most of the time, but once in a while will think he can't possibly move next 
to it. right now i am working with my instructor in a lesson format, while he 
realizes yes, it's me again, not that skinny little good rider who's been on 
his back for the last 4 months. after blue earth, and watching all those great 
kids doing all that stuff, i figure it should be able to handle it, too.

laurie, who just processed over 1000 pix from the show...

ride on Oz

[brass-ring-farm]

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Hey, that's great Lori! Which knee is it? I know once I had my partial
knee replacements, riding became a pleasure, no pain in the knees. I have
one of those 3 step mounting blocks and I throw it in the back of the
truck when we go on trailering trail rides. My friends all make fun, so
high they are getting nose bleeds, etc, but I notice they all use it
Have fun,
Valerie

Re: learning to drive...Oz can do it and so can you!

[JadeBear]

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Hi Laurie!
I love to drive and I think you'd love it too!  Body English is out and 
hands and voice are in.  And, at shows, you get to dress up!  Furthermore, you 
can take people (like your sainted husband - so he won't buy any more llamas 
while you're out) along with you without needing another horse.
I'm not the expert either Linda or Patti Jo are but I've got 3 
vehicles...one of which I like and 2 of which I love.  My favorite is the 
meadowbrook 
you may have seen me ramming around in from time to time. It's both cute and 
comfy. I bought it new at Martin's horse-drawn vehicle auction in PA (a really 
fun and fascinating event, even if you don't buy anything).  To me, it IS an 
easy entry vehicle.  I had the 2 back floorboards dropped down about 6 inches 
giving me an extra step for getting in and out but you probably wouldn't need 
to 
do that.  I like entering from the rear.  You don't have to turn your back to 
your beloved pony.  And a common, if not the only, worst-case scenario would 
have your pony bolting, leaving you standing behind the vehicle with one foot 
raised rather than half-way up, between the wheel and the vehicle and facing 
the wrong way. People have pointed out to me (and they're right) that my 
meadowbrook wouldn't be as easy to bail out of in an emergency as some other 
vehicles, but believe me...if you're considering bailing out then the "easy" 
ship has 
already sailed.  I made a tubby-old-lady decision when I got into this - as 
official captain, I'm going down with the carriage so look for me in the 
wreckage.  You're more athletic than I am so you'll probably have more choices.
I also love my marathon vehicle although you do have to enter using a 
front step.  The good part here is that the wheels on a "war wagon" aren't as 
big 
as on a 2-wheeled vehicle so your step is in front of the wheel and not 
between it and the body of the cart.  Maybe it's splitting hairs but that makes 
me 
feel more secure.  The marathon vehicle is comfy, extremely sturdy and a very 
good choice if there's a chance you may be ricocheting off the occasional 
tree.  Mine is set up with a seat that can be placed and secured in the middle 
or 
moved to the right side at which time a second seat folds down for a 
passenger.  Behind me, on either side of the "Ben Hur" platform where the 
navigator 
would stand I also have 2 seats facing each other...room for more passengers 
(or 
the same passenger if you want to take him but you don't necessarily want to 
talk to him).  There's about a zillion ways you can have a war wagon set up and 
everybody has their own favorite.  Mine is a Glinkowski and I got it at 
Driving Essentials in Leola PA.  It's called a "pony sport" and was built for 
Braveheart.  I'm sure they'd be glad to send you a catalog with all their 
models if 
you get interested.  They treated me right.
My third is an easy-entry 2-wheeled  metal cart.  I like it but it's not 
as cute and comfy as the meadowbrook nor as comfy and sturdy as the war wagon. 
 It's another PA auction item.
Patti Jo and Linda will both have the best advice about all this for you 
and Oz, the laughing Fjord with the sveldte figure.  This is just my opinion, 
for what it's worth.  I'm so glad you and Oz are going to stay a team!  My new 
pony, Bogie, and I have bonded due largely, I'm sure, to my endless supply of 
carrots.  Tell Jim I'm saving up for his new saddle as fast as I can.
Have fun at BE and I'll see you at the 25th Anniversary Show!


Kay
and Braveheart, who is trotting his little buns off trying to get ready for 
Iron Horse
and Bogie, who sees himself as more of a walk-trot kind of guy 

Re: Laurie and Oz

[jgayle]

This message is from: "jgayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Lois I quite agree with you that enjoying a horse is however a person wants 
it.  As for getting the leg over, those tendons and muscles need stretching. 
A few days of exercise and you can do it.  I also enjoy just being around my 
two, grooming and now an occasional ride, as of this weekend.  Jean G







Author
"The Colonel's Daughter"
Occupied Germany 46-49
Send $20 to:
PO Box 104
Montesano, WA 98563 

Re: Re Laurie and Oz

[Tamara Rousso]

This message is from: Tamara Rousso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

On Tuesday, February 1, 2005, at 08:43 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

To me horses are wonderful animals and they have been abused by many, 
so just giving them a wonderful home with loving care is enough if 
that is what you like.


I so agree with that, Onna.  I just love my two horses so much and see 
them as large pets.  Although my 12 year old daughter does ride, and I 
will take some lessons some day, but even if it ends up no one is 
riding them I will keep them.  I always find it jarring when someone 
suggests to me that my PMU mare must be broke to ride for her to have 
worth.  I suppose that it is true should something happen to me and she 
would need to go to a new home, but for my purposes just grooming her 
and doing ground work with her makes me a happy camper.


Tamara Rousso
Fallbrook CA

www.algedifarm.com

Re Laurie and Oz

[Onnak2000]

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Hi,
I had horses for 6 or 7 years and never rode because I didn't know how and was 
afraid. I always felt people were pressuring me to ride. But I read an article 
by either John Lyons or Pat Parelli and they said people have horses for 
different reasons, some like to ride, some drive, some breed and raise them, 
some like to show, and some just like kitchen window horses. From then on I 
never felt obligated to ride. I just loved taking care of them. So if that is 
what you like to do, then just do that. And if you have ever seen Pat Parelli's 
video on the 7 games, that is also fun to teach your horses and you never have 
to get on them. But, a couple of years ago I found an instructor close to me 
and I am now riding and do enjoy it. But if I didn't want too, I wouldn't. To 
me horses are wonderful animals and they have been abused by many, so just 
giving them a wonderful home with loving care is enough if that is what you 
like. Just my 2 cents worth. Onna

Re: Laurie and Oz

[Crystal Garland]

This message is from: Crystal Garland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

My grandparents ride my Fjords and tey' 58 and 65~~~ My great aunt, or how ever 
she is related.. but still loved his hittin 80 soon and loves to ride, even 
with her reast cancer...!
Just had to add my note!

Warren Stockwell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
This message is from: "Warren Stockwell" 

I can't resist you fifty year olds talking about being at the end of your
riding days. Shame. I am eighty now and cleaning up the old saddle to get
back on Fjord Gunnar.


Hey Guys,

I got my sisters one starting 60 and the other mid 50 with Parkinson's and
they both ride yes their are a few adjustments and I go and work out the
spring spunkies ( not much these are grand horses and very intuitive ). They
go all the time I can't keep up with them. Every time I call to see if they
want to go ride their already gone no bother calling me : )) I gotta check
out with my husband and kids so off they go. They mount off the trailer, or
a block and when my sister with Parkinson's starts with tremors she just
switches hands the horse doesn't care he knows it his job to take care of
her and he does a great job!! Tex is a ranch bred and trained QH and very in
tune with his rider.

I took lessons at a saddlebred ranch and their was a 95 year old lady just
starting lessons, seemed she never had time earlier. I imagine they needed a
hoist to get her up there : ))

So ladies and Gents their is always hope if you are determined! you give up
it's your own fault.

43 and know my limitations and push the boundaries,
Roberta
- Original Message - 
From: "jgayle" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 10:36 PM
Subject: Re: Laurie and Oz


> This message is from: "jgayle" 
>
> I can't resist you fifty year olds talking about being at the end of your
> riding days. Shame. I am eighty now and cleaning up the old saddle to get
> back on Fjord Gunnar. Of course I ride in my arena and he is a grumpy boy
> but very reliable under saddle. I am overweight, but use a mounting
block.
> One of the reasons I am getting back on is for the exercise and my weight.
> I gave up daily riding about four years ago. I have never been the
slender,
> athletic type either. So no more of this "my riding days are coming to an
> end" until at least 75!!! Jean Gayle
>
>
>
>
> Author
> "The Colonel's Daughter"
> Occupied Germany 46-49
> Send $20 to:
> PO Box 104
> Montesano, WA 98563

Re: Laurie and Oz

[Lisa Wiley]

This message is from: "Lisa Wiley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Genie,

I always use the mounting block.  I ride a fifteen hand Morgan that is 
gaited.  I am really hoping Fjiona can be trained to ride.  She is right 
around 14 hands.  Has a smooth gate and is nice and wide.


I do want to say anyone who just wants a horse to love on should get a mini. 
They are the best.  The work is so much less.  I have five right now.  Three 
are trained to drive.  But mostly I pet them and watch them play out my 
window.

Lisa Wiley
Turnabout Portuguese Water Dogs
Connecticut State Director Ponies With Purpose
http://www.angelfire.com/ar3/ponieswithpurposeinc/
http://www.geocities.com/summerct/horses.html
http://www.geocities.com/summerct/Turnabout.html 

Re: Laurie and Oz

[gdpony]

This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED]


This message is from: Lois Berenyi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

  Of all my fears related to returning to riding this was one I had 
not considered.  Apparently between age 50 and 62 my lower back and 
hip joints had seized up.  Now my fear is that I will not be able to 
get off (of my own choice) if I had to.


If anyone knows of exercises specifically to help this inflexibility 
I'd like to know of them.  I have not encountered this "disability" 
in any other activity of normal life.


My defense against all the people who want me to risk life and 
limb.and put my extra 50# on a mare who can't talk and give me 
her opinion...is that I love the horses, always have, the same as my 
dogs.



Half of the horses at the barn where I board are not ridden.  I 
respect most the people who don't ride, but still come out and give 
their horses attention.  Several are older retired horses.  One horse 
can't be ridden due to any injury and his owner comes out every week 
and does clicker training with him - they both have lots of fun and 
the horse still thinks he has a job.  I don't think I'd be very 
interested in riding if the horse care and ground training were not 
part of it as like you I love just interacting.


Stay solid in your conviction that you are the best one to judge how 
you should interact with your horses - enjoy them anyway you can.


When I went back to riding four years ago after six years off for a 
surgery and recovery, etc.  I had an embarassing start.  For my first 
lesson, they had a 16 hand thoroughbred all tacked up and ready to go 
and a little flimsy 2 step stepstool for me to get on.  I couldn't 
begin to get on her!  Luckily they brought out a 14'3 or 15' quarter 
horse and I somehow was able to pull myself on her.   I couldn't ride 
in a dressage saddle because I didn't have enough hip and lower back 
flexibility.  What helped the most to loosen up my hips and back was 
riding- I bought my owner solid three step mounting block and with 
time I was able to mount and dismount comfortably-without having to 
lie down on her back to swing my leg over.  I still use a large three 
step mounting block with my Fjord because it is better for my knees 
and his back.  Good luck



--
Genie Dethloff and Finne
Ann Arbor, Michigan

Re: Laurie and Oz

[Lois Berenyi]

This message is from: Lois Berenyi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Well I'm 65 and haven't ridden in years but have greatly enjoyed my horses 
all that time.  I did get on my Fjord mare at age 62 and was shocked to find 
that I had an incredibly hard time getting my leg over the cantle of the 
dressage saddle.  I was o.k. while walking and trotting but when it came 
time to get off needed help from my husband in getting my leg back over the 
saddle.  Of all my fears related to returning to riding this was one I had 
not considered.  Apparently between age 50 and 62 my lower back and hip 
joints had seized up.  Now my fear is that I will not be able to get off (of 
my own choice) if I had to.


If anyone knows of exercises specifically to help this inflexibility I'd 
like to know of them.  I have not encountered this "disability" in any other 
activity of normal life.


Meanwhile I'm considering, again, getting out of horses.  I have no idea why 
it is important to so many people that I actually ride my horse.  The people 
at the boarding stable ask "when are you going to ride?"  My husband asks 
the same question.  The truth is that I have never particularly enjoyed 
riding even when I took it up at age 29 because I was dotty about horses 
since a kid.  I realized that the perspective of looking at a horse through 
its ears was not as pleasurable from an aesthetic point of view as that of 
watching it on the ground.  I did some driving but found the view of the 
rear end even less enchanting than the ears.


My defense against all the people who want me to risk life and limb.and 
put my extra 50# on a mare who can't talk and give me her opinion...is that 
I love the horses, always have, the same as my dogs.  I don't ride the dogs 
and no one expects me to.  On a cost basis our 140 lb. Shepherd and 25 lb. 
beagle cost more to feed than the Fjord but no one ever mentions getting 
their money's worth of out their dogs.  My pleasure really comes from giving 
an animal a good life with all the interaction to create friendly, sane 
animals with good personalities who respond to me as their boss but also as 
their protector and so far I have that relationship with all three critters.


Maybe I'll get on again just to give it one last shot or maybe we will just 
keep playing at our ground work.  I did have some riders exercising the mare 
to keep her fit but could not stand the spur-spade bit philosophy they had 
about riding so have discontinued that regime.  I have finally, I think, 
figured out the Fjord mystique, but was having trouble explaining it to the 
QH people.  To get along with a Fjord you have to think like one and act 
like one which is basically being as passively stubborn about requests as 
they are about ignoring them.  But that's what's fun about horses.  They are 
all different and they all, at times, make a person think about new 
approaches to common equine problems.


I still think the Fjord is the perfect horse for the mature adult.  I think 
we need the wisdom of our years to understand them and in so doing, 
appreciate them for the unique creatures they are.


Lois Berenyi in Shallotte, North Carolina, temps near 50, sunny, great day 
for riding should someone be so inclined.



- Original Message - 


From: "Carol J Makosky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 3:37 AM
Subject: Re: Laurie and Oz



This message is from: "Carol J. Makosky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Jean Ernest wrote:


This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Hey!
I got my first horse , Fjord of course, at age 49..17 years later I am 
still riding!  Granted  I haven't ridden since October...too cold,


I think I  WAS a lot braver or maybe DUMBER when I first got my fjords..
Meanwhile I am whiling away the cold winter days waiting for the temps to 
get at least +10F  it has been a cold January, with more below zero temps 
predicted this week, maybe as low as -30F.


Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska



I am 51 and in someways feel like my riding time may be running out, yet 
I feel if I am careful and take it slowly, I will still get to ride when 
I am much older.   Finne is only 6 and a half so he may be my last horse 
and I want to do it right with him, no matter how long it takes.


I want to go to Blue Earth and show this



Hi,
And I thought I was one of the few to start back riding when so old.  I 
was 55.  And Jean.  I am happy it is cold by you cause we are somewhat 
warm now.  So you keep the cold, but we could use some of that snow.  Have 
a good week and I will see you at BE in July Laurie.  Jean can send down 
some cold for us then.


--
Built Fjord Tough
Carol M.
On Golden Pond
N. Wisconsin

Re: Laurie and Oz

[Warren Stockwell]

This message is from: "Warren Stockwell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

I can't resist you fifty year olds talking about being at the end of your
riding days.  Shame. I am eighty now and cleaning up the old saddle to get
back on Fjord Gunnar.


Hey Guys,

I got my sisters one starting 60 and the other mid 50 with Parkinson's and
they both ride yes their are a few adjustments and I go and work out the
spring spunkies ( not much these are grand horses and very intuitive ). They
go all the time I can't keep up with them. Every time I call to see if they
want to go ride their already gone no bother calling me : )) I gotta check
out with my husband and kids so off they go. They mount off the trailer, or
a block and when my sister with Parkinson's starts with tremors she just
switches hands the horse doesn't care he knows it his job to take care of
her and he does a great job!! Tex is a ranch bred and trained QH and very in
tune with his rider.

I took lessons at a saddlebred ranch and their was a 95 year old lady just
starting lessons, seemed she never had time earlier. I imagine they needed a
hoist to get her up there : ))

So ladies and Gents their is always hope if you are determined! you give up
it's your own fault.

43 and know my limitations and push the boundaries,
Roberta
- Original Message - 
From: "jgayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 10:36 PM
Subject: Re: Laurie and Oz


> This message is from: "jgayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> I can't resist you fifty year olds talking about being at the end of your
> riding days.  Shame. I am eighty now and cleaning up the old saddle to get
> back on Fjord Gunnar.  Of course I ride in my arena and he is a grumpy boy
> but very reliable under saddle.  I am overweight, but use a mounting
block.
> One of the reasons I am getting back on is for the exercise and my weight.
> I gave up daily riding about four years ago.  I have never been the
slender,
> athletic type either.  So no more of this "my riding days are coming to an
> end" until at least 75!!!  Jean Gayle
>
>
>
>
> Author
> "The Colonel's Daughter"
> Occupied Germany 46-49
> Send $20 to:
> PO Box 104
> Montesano, WA 98563

Re: Laurie and Oz

[Jean Ernest]

This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Hey!
I got my first horse , Fjord of course, at age 49..17 years later I am 
still riding!  Granted  I haven't ridden since October...too cold, but hope 
to start again this next month...after I clear the arena of snow and snow 
blow some trails in the field.  3 ft of snow on the ground.


I think I  WAS a lot braver or maybe DUMBER when I first got my fjords.. 
Now I don't do a lot of the things I did then, because I know a lot more 
and am a better rider also,  I don't want to get hurt, either.  I am a 
little more cautious going out on the neighborhood trails by myself.   I 
took lessons, attended clinics, etc. and still do.
Meanwhile I am whiling away the cold winter days waiting for the temps to 
get at least +10F  it has been a cold January, with more below zero temps 
predicted this week, maybe as low as -30F.  It IS beautiful and clear with 
nice sunsets tho!


Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska



I am 51 and in someways feel like my riding time may be running out, yet I 
feel if I am careful and take it slowly, I will still get to ride when I 
am much older.   Finne is only 6 and a half so he may be my last horse and 
I want to do it right with him, no matter how long it takes.


I want to go to Blue Earth and show this year;  I'm finally beginning to 
realize we might make it!

--
Genie Dethloff and Finne
Ann Arbor, Michigan

Re: Laurie and Oz

[Carol J. Makosky]

This message is from: "Carol J. Makosky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Jean Ernest wrote:


This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Hey!
I got my first horse , Fjord of course, at age 49..17 years later I am 
still riding!  Granted  I haven't ridden since October...too cold,


I think I  WAS a lot braver or maybe DUMBER when I first got my fjords..
Meanwhile I am whiling away the cold winter days waiting for the temps 
to get at least +10F  it has been a cold January, with more below zero 
temps predicted this week, maybe as low as -30F.


Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska



I am 51 and in someways feel like my riding time may be running out, 
yet I feel if I am careful and take it slowly, I will still get to 
ride when I am much older.   Finne is only 6 and a half so he may be 
my last horse and I want to do it right with him, no matter how long 
it takes.


I want to go to Blue Earth and show this



Hi,
And I thought I was one of the few to start back riding when so old.  I 
was 55.  And Jean.  I am happy it is cold by you cause we are somewhat 
warm now.  So you keep the cold, but we could use some of that snow.  
Have a good week and I will see you at BE in July Laurie.  Jean can send 
down some cold for us then.


--
Built Fjord Tough
Carol M.
On Golden Pond
N. Wisconsin

Re: Laurie and Oz

[Carol J. Makosky]

This message is from: "Carol J. Makosky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

jgayle wrote:


This message is from: "jgayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

I can't resist you fifty year olds talking about being at the end of 
your riding days.  Shame. I am eighty now and cleaning up the old 
saddle to get back on Fjord Gunnar.  Of course I ride in my arena and 
he is a grumpy boy but very reliable under saddle.  I am overweight, 
but use a mounting block. One of the reasons I am getting back on is 
for the exercise and my weight. I gave up daily riding about four 
years ago.  I have never been the slender, athletic type either.  So 
no more of this "my riding days are coming to an end" until at least 
75!!!  Jean Gayle





Author
"The Colonel's Daughter"
Occupied Germany 46-49
Send $20 to:
PO Box 104
Montesano, WA 98563

OK It is suppose to be above freezing tomorrow and I just may get on for 
a ride in the snowy woods, but will stay away from the snowmobiles so 
Heidi does not dance with me in the middle of the highway out front 
again.  All of my body is up for riding except the knees and they do 
protest to being on a horse for too long.


--
Built Fjord Tough
Carol M.
On Golden Pond
N. Wisconsin

Re: Laurie and Oz

[jgayle]

This message is from: "jgayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

I can't resist you fifty year olds talking about being at the end of your 
riding days.  Shame. I am eighty now and cleaning up the old saddle to get 
back on Fjord Gunnar.  Of course I ride in my arena and he is a grumpy boy 
but very reliable under saddle.  I am overweight, but use a mounting block. 
One of the reasons I am getting back on is for the exercise and my weight. 
I gave up daily riding about four years ago.  I have never been the slender, 
athletic type either.  So no more of this "my riding days are coming to an 
end" until at least 75!!!  Jean Gayle





Author
"The Colonel's Daughter"
Occupied Germany 46-49
Send $20 to:
PO Box 104
Montesano, WA 98563 

Re: Laurie and Oz

[Jean Ernest]

This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Hey!
I got my first horse , Fjord of course, at age 49..17 years later I am 
still riding!  Granted  I haven't ridden since October...too cold, but hope 
to start again this next month...after I clear the arena of snow and snow 
blow some trails in the field.  3 ft of snow on the ground.


I think I  WAS a lot braver or maybe DUMBER when I first got my fjords.. 
Now I don't do a lot of the things I did then, because I know a lot more 
and am a better rider also,  I don't want to get hurt, either.  I am a 
little more cautious going out on the neighborhood trails by myself.   I 
took lessons, attended clinics, etc. and still do.
Meanwhile I am whiling away the cold winter days waiting for the temps to 
get at least +10F  it has been a cold January, with more below zero temps 
predicted this week, maybe as low as -30F.  It IS beautiful and clear with 
nice sunsets tho!


Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska



I am 51 and in someways feel like my riding time may be running out, yet I 
feel if I am careful and take it slowly, I will still get to ride when I 
am much older.   Finne is only 6 and a half so he may be my last horse and 
I want to do it right with him, no matter how long it takes.


I want to go to Blue Earth and show this year;  I'm finally beginning to 
realize we might make it!

--
Genie Dethloff and Finne
Ann Arbor, Michigan

Re: Laurie and Oz

[gdpony]

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 The best
advice I can give is Take Your Time! Don't feel badly and don't rush.

Taking lessons is a good thing and if your instructor sees good 
things in you...super! I
can recommend the book "Overcoming the Fear of Riding" by Theresa 
Jordan Ph.D. & Peter
DeMichele M.Ed. and also "Fitness, Performance and the Female 
Equestrian" by Mary

Midkiff. Both are good reads.



I also have read  "Overcoming the Fear of Riding".  It was given to 
me by the women who sold Finne to me.   She had to overcome a bad 
injury to ride again.  If you read it, don't be put off by the 
beginning where all these big time professional riders are talking 
about overcoming their fear.  At first I thought, "right! if I was 
willing to attempt a tenth of what they did I'd be brave."  But as 
the book goes on he talks about everyday riders and gives some very 
useful techniques about honestly assessing your abilities, the risk 
you would need to take to do what you want to do, and then deciding 
if the risk is acceptable to you.


I also am taking it very slowly and allowing my body to be fit and 
ready to progress.  I'm a little envious sometimes when I see others 
cantering around the arena and I know we are a long way from that. 
But after 8 months of lots of walking and well contolled trotting, 
I'm so much more confident.  Of course Finne needs to learn to canter 
under saddle and I won't try it with him until the trainer has him 
confirmed.


I am 51 and in someways feel like my riding time may be running out, 
yet I feel if I am careful and take it slowly, I will still get to 
ride when I am much older.   Finne is only 6 and a half so he may be 
my last horse and I want to do it right with him, no matter how long 
it takes.


I want to go to Blue Earth and show this year;  I'm finally beginning 
to realize we might make it!

--
Genie Dethloff and Finne
Ann Arbor, Michigan

Laurie and Oz

[I Ivic]

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>if patti jo knew how cowardly i really am about riding, she would probably 
>make me give oz back. i rode as a teen, ya know, the places where you rent by 
>the hour and follow another horse's butt. my friend and i got pretty well 
>known 
>by the owners, and got to ride bareback and such. i could actually gallop full 
>out bareback!!!
>when i finally had a place 4 years ago where i could keep a horse, at age 54, 
>i started taking lessons. and i found myself nervous all the time! i couldn't 
>trot for the longest time because i was afraid he would run way with me.

Hi Laurie,

I can relate too (I'm 52 yrs. young)...Have gone through the same "self 
preservation"
mind games in recent years. There are the "not-at-ease" days when I just want 
to groom &
play with my horses, and other days where we actually have a canter or two. The 
best
advice I can give is Take Your Time! Don't feel badly and don't rush.
 
Taking lessons is a good thing and if your instructor sees good things in 
you...super! I
can recommend the book "Overcoming the Fear of Riding" by Theresa Jordan Ph.D. 
& Peter
DeMichele M.Ed. and also "Fitness, Performance and the Female Equestrian" by 
Mary
Midkiff. Both are good reads.

We used to have an "Old Peoples Riding Club" here (no...REALLY, that's what it 
is
called!!), but unfortunately the chapter closed due to lack of participation. 
Think "Pony
Club"---for mature folks. Wish we were still active...the support was great. 
There
webpage is: http://www.oldpeoplesridingclub.org/

Hang in there Laurie! Wish you lived closer...I'd ride with you! ((hugs)) Ingrid






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Oz comes to minnesota

[CrystalZak]

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hello, all. my new fjordie, Oz, arrived last evening, after having charmed 
the socks off the hauler and his wife. they almost didn't want to give him up. 
he did just what patti predictedstepped off the trailer, looked around, 
looked down and saw green grass, and that was it...

walked him past all our geese and ducks into the barn, and he settled down 
quite nicely. after all, there was fresh hay in there. this morning i turned 
him 
out, keeping him separate from the other horses until they get used to each 
other.

he seems like a very sweet boy, and i know i am going to have a fun time 
getting to know him and building our relationship. i can already see how people 
oriented he his, particularly in comparison to my QH.

laurie with
central minnesota