Re: Fjord Coloring Books
This message is from: jern...@mosquitonet.com I  should have said: I just ordered three of each: 1 of each for me, and the others for my > adopted grand kids!  My best friend just adopted four boys, > brothers, ages 8 to 14, and designated me as their grandmother! >  They all call me "Grandma"! How great is that! She is also in the > process of starting an Equine therapy ranch, using horses for > healing: Veterans with PSTD,  children who have been abused, > emotionally or physically, and children in foster care,as well as >  autistic children.  I am helping her with that project.  Other > people have donated their time and one woman is donating two gypsy > cobs, all trained for driving and for riding by children. So things > are getting exciting here!  Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska  26 degrees here today,with 7 hours daylight! > On Mon, 9 Nov 2015 14:05:33 -0800, Gail Russell wrote: This message is from: Gail Russell The funds are rolling in. Jean, I will have to call you to hear about your adopted grandkids! Gail Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: Fjord Coloring Books
This message is from: Gail Russell The funds are rolling in. Jean, I will have to call you to hear about your adopted grandkids! Gail On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 1:00 PM, wrote: > This message is from: jern...@mosquitonet.com > > > I just ordered of each: i of each for me, and the others for my > adopted grand kids! > > Jean in Alaska, +23 today and 7 hours daylight! > > On Mon, 9 Nov 2015 14:08:25 -0500, Kay Van Natta wrote: > >This message is from: Kay Van Natta > > According to Amazon my Fjordish coloring books are in the mail! I am > waiting (crayons in hand) by the mailbox. > > Kay Van Natta > Yellow Pony Farm > > Sent from my iPad > > > On Nov 9, 2015, at 8:53 AM, Dave and Patti Walter wrote: > > > > This message is from: "Dave and Patti Walter" Just wanted to share > > with everyone, 2 wonderfully illustrated Fjord Horse > > Coloring Books that have just recently been published on Amazon. Created > by > > Patti Jo Walter, Illustrated by the very talented artist, Pat Holland. > They > > were created for my riding students. I wanted to help them learn > terminology > > in a fun way. They were so well received that I decided to share them > with > > the world! So.. these books are not just coloring books, but educational > > books as well. They are for youth and adults and for those that know Pat > > Holland's work, are filled with great wit and humor! Here are the links: > > http://goo.gl/IKdemN for book 1 and for book 2 http://goo.gl/QFwi33. > They > > are also very Affjordable at $6.99. Patti Jo Walter > > Francis Creek Fjords > > > > Important FjordHorse List Links: > > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > > FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > > FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l > > Important FjordHorse List Links: > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l > > Important FjordHorse List Links: > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: Fjord Coloring Books
This message is from: jern...@mosquitonet.com I just ordered  of each: i of each for me, and the others for my adopted grand kids!  Jean in Alaska, +23 today and 7 hours daylight! On Mon, 9 Nov 2015 14:08:25 -0500, Kay Van Natta wrote: This message is from: Kay Van Natta According to Amazon my Fjordish coloring books are in the mail! I am waiting (crayons in hand) by the mailbox. Kay Van Natta Yellow Pony Farm Sent from my iPad > On Nov 9, 2015, at 8:53 AM, Dave and Patti Walter wrote: > > This message is from: "Dave and Patti Walter" Just wanted to share > with everyone, 2 wonderfully illustrated Fjord Horse > Coloring Books that have just recently been published on Amazon. Created by > Patti Jo Walter, Illustrated by the very talented artist, Pat Holland. They > were created for my riding students. I wanted to help them learn terminology > in a fun way. They were so well received that I decided to share them with > the world! So.. these books are not just coloring books, but educational > books as well. They are for youth and adults and for those that know Pat > Holland's work, are filled with great wit and humor! Here are the links: > http://goo.gl/IKdemN for book 1 and for book 2 http://goo.gl/QFwi33. They > are also very Affjordable at $6.99. Patti Jo Walter > Francis Creek Fjords > > Important FjordHorse List Links: > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: Fjord Coloring Books
This message is from: Kay Van Natta According to Amazon my Fjordish coloring books are in the mail! I am waiting (crayons in hand) by the mailbox. Kay Van Natta Yellow Pony Farm Sent from my iPad > On Nov 9, 2015, at 8:53 AM, Dave and Patti Walter wrote: > > This message is from: "Dave and Patti Walter" > > > Just wanted to share with everyone, 2 wonderfully illustrated Fjord Horse > Coloring Books that have just recently been published on Amazon. Created by > Patti Jo Walter, Illustrated by the very talented artist, Pat Holland. They > were created for my riding students. I wanted to help them learn terminology > in a fun way. They were so well received that I decided to share them with > the world! So.. these books are not just coloring books, but educational > books as well. They are for youth and adults and for those that know Pat > Holland's work, are filled with great wit and humor! Here are the links: > http://goo.gl/IKdemN for book 1 and for book 2 http://goo.gl/QFwi33. They > are also very Affjordable at $6.99. > > Patti Jo Walter > Francis Creek Fjords > > Important FjordHorse List Links: > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
RE: Fjord coloring ?
This message is from: "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 10:56 AM 7/17/2008, you wrote: This message is from: Cherrie Nolden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I've not understood the naming conventions of some of the colors. Brown dun, red dun, white dun and yellow dun make sense to me, especially for non-Fjord folks who may not understand that the dun dilution is always present in this breed. Why black dilutes are officially called Grey, and not mouse dun or grulla or gray dun (grey if using the European spelling), seems confusing to me since the true gray/grey is not even a color option in Fjords. The reason we call them grey is because that is what all of the other countries that have Fjords call them. It would be more confusing rather than less confusing I think if we called them something different. And why we are calling the Kvit colors Albino on the NFHR pedigree site seems very misleading. Albinos have no pigment and red eyes. Kvit Fjords still have a bit of melanin in their skin and hair, and they have blue eyes. Anybody out there have any insight on these conventions? You are right - that probably should be changed. Back when I first took over the Registrar's job FG Luna was already registered as an Albino.. I guess at the time that is what they thought he was. I suppose the term Kvit can be somewhat confusing too. Also in Norway what we call White Dun is called an Uls Dun. Mike Cherrie --- On Mon, 7/14/08, Karen Keith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: Karen Keith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: Fjord coloring ? To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Date: Monday, July 14, 2008, 10:29 PM This message is from: Karen Keith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Cherrie: Too funny! The day I decide to climb up on a soapbox about color genetics it's in response to a molecular biologist. LOL! I yield the floor. Perhaps, though, my explanation will be helpful to folks whose brains work like mine. I can muddle through the alleles and capital letters and lower case letters denoting genes, but it really is a muddle for me and hard work. I have to keep going back to charts and reviewing. I see the base horse colors as hues on a color wheel, and the dun and creme dilutions as a tints and tones, creating the lovely dun and creme coats. Does anyone else remember junior high art class? Start with red, add a tint of white and you get pink! http://creativecurio.com/2008/05/the-color-wheel-and-color-theory/ I know it's simplistic but it works for me. And you're right, since all Fjords are some color of dun, referring to them as red dun, brown dun, etc., one might say is re-dun-dant! :^) Cheers! Karen _ It's simple! Sell your car for just $40 at CarPoint.com.au http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fsecure%2Dau%2Eimrworldwide%2E com%2Fcgi%2Dbin%2Fa%2Fci%5F450304%2Fet%5F2%2Fcg%5F801459%2Fpi%5F1004813%2Fai% 5F859641&_t=762955845&_r=tig_OCT07&_m=EXT The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Executive Director & Registrar PO Box 685 Webster, NY 14580-0685 Voice 585-872-4114 FAX 585-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
RE: Fjord coloring ?
This message is from: Cherrie Nolden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Karen, Sorry for the slow response. I'm out of town with limited internet access. No need to yield anything, as I'm always learning also. These conversations challenge me to review my understanding and I LOVE it! I'm interested in talking with you about how you think about the colors. I've found ways that make sense to me, but I would love to be able to think about the inheritance from a different perspective and be able to describe it from that perspective if people have a hard time grasping the way I best understand and explain inheritance. If you are interested in sharing, could you send me your phone number? I've not understood the naming conventions of some of the colors. Brown dun, red dun, white dun and yellow dun make sense to me, especially for non-Fjord folks who may not understand that the dun dilution is always present in this breed. Why black dilutes are officially called Grey, and not mouse dun or grulla or gray dun (grey if using the European spelling), seems confusing to me since the true gray/grey is not even a color option in Fjords. And why we are calling the Kvit colors Albino on the NFHR pedigree site seems very misleading. Albinos have no pigment and red eyes. Kvit Fjords still have a bit of melanin in their skin and hair, and they have blue eyes. Anybody out there have any insight on these conventions? Cherrie --- On Mon, 7/14/08, Karen Keith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: Karen Keith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: Fjord coloring ? To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Date: Monday, July 14, 2008, 10:29 PM This message is from: Karen Keith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Cherrie: Too funny! The day I decide to climb up on a soapbox about color genetics it's in response to a molecular biologist. LOL! I yield the floor. Perhaps, though, my explanation will be helpful to folks whose brains work like mine. I can muddle through the alleles and capital letters and lower case letters denoting genes, but it really is a muddle for me and hard work. I have to keep going back to charts and reviewing. I see the base horse colors as hues on a color wheel, and the dun and creme dilutions as a tints and tones, creating the lovely dun and creme coats. Does anyone else remember junior high art class? Start with red, add a tint of white and you get pink! http://creativecurio.com/2008/05/the-color-wheel-and-color-theory/ I know it's simplistic but it works for me. And you're right, since all Fjords are some color of dun, referring to them as red dun, brown dun, etc., one might say is re-dun-dant! :^) Cheers! Karen _ It's simple! Sell your car for just $40 at CarPoint.com.au http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fsecure%2Dau%2Eimrworldwide%2E com%2Fcgi%2Dbin%2Fa%2Fci%5F450304%2Fet%5F2%2Fcg%5F801459%2Fpi%5F1004813%2Fai% 5F859641&_t=762955845&_r=tig_OCT07&_m=EXT The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Fjord coloring ?
This message is from: "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 02:21 PM 7/14/2008, you wrote: This message is from: "jen frame" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Mike, her muzzle has the black skin, with white hairs ontop, giving her the "mealy" muzzle look. If she gets wet then the dark skin shows through, but she has the white muzzle. Then she is very likely a brown dun. The grey foals usually have a blacker muzzle when young. Mike After reading the post after yours that goes into depth on color genetics, I think you are right: she is a brown dunn, and the dunn gene in her case diluted a lighter bay horse. I looked closely at her colors this morning before I drove her, and her mane is dark brown--almost black but not a true black, with some red hairs mixed in, mostly lower towards her withers. Her strip is definately red, as are the primitive markings. Her points are only on her coronet band up to her ankles, and then again on her knees. The cannon bones are her light body color (i.e. her points are not contiguous up her leg, but mostly on the ankle joint and the knee joint). And the points are reddish brown with some grey hairs in them, not black. Thanks Jen On 7/14/08, Mike May, Registrar NFHR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is from: "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > At 10:09 AM 7/14/2008, you wrote: > > yes I am pretty sure she will end up a brown dun. > > What color is her muzzle - light mealy color or dark blackish color? > > Mike The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Executive Director & Registrar PO Box 685 Webster, NY 14580-0685 Voice 585-872-4114 FAX 585-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
RE: Fjord coloring ?
This message is from: Karen Keith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Cherrie: Too funny! The day I decide to climb up on a soapbox about color genetics it's in response to a molecular biologist. LOL! I yield the floor. Perhaps, though, my explanation will be helpful to folks whose brains work like mine. I can muddle through the alleles and capital letters and lower case letters denoting genes, but it really is a muddle for me and hard work. I have to keep going back to charts and reviewing. I see the base horse colors as hues on a color wheel, and the dun and creme dilutions as a tints and tones, creating the lovely dun and creme coats. Does anyone else remember junior high art class? Start with red, add a tint of white and you get pink! http://creativecurio.com/2008/05/the-color-wheel-and-color-theory/ I know it's simplistic but it works for me. And you're right, since all Fjords are some color of dun, referring to them as red dun, brown dun, etc., one might say is re-dun-dant! :^) Cheers! Karen _ It's simple! Sell your car for just $40 at CarPoint.com.au http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fsecure%2Dau%2Eimrworldwide%2E com%2Fcgi%2Dbin%2Fa%2Fci%5F450304%2Fet%5F2%2Fcg%5F801459%2Fpi%5F1004813%2Fai% 5F859641&_t=762955845&_r=tig_OCT07&_m=EXT The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
RE: Fjord coloring ?
This message is from: Cherrie Nolden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Karen, Yes, I was trying to keep it simple. The explanation was incomplete if taken out of context of the question at hand. Thank you for filling in the technical gaps of the potential outcomes of gray crosses. You are absolutely right on the grays producing reds. In this case, the question was a brown-looking colt that might be gray. There was no question about whether this colt might be a red dun. Given this, if both parents were gray duns, then the color of this colt would be known: gray dun. You are also right about gray and red "genes". No such thing. There are Agouti and Red Factor genes, which, in their homozygous recessive forms will produce red duns and gray duns in this breed (which all carry the dun dilution, so not much mention is usually made of it). Like you say, we essentially are talking about two black horses creating a black or a chestnut, but this is hard for most Fjord people to think about if they haven't committed the base colors and their resultant dun dilutes to memory. I've found that most Fjord owners think of the Fjord phenotypic colors and can most easily comprehend the way the variations of the base color genes work if I keep the explanation in the dun-diluted framework. And yes, there isn't a white "gene" either, just Cream Dilution, which further dilutes the already diluted Fjord colors of red dun and brown dun, with gray duns supposedly not showing a further dilution. But that gene is dose-related, unlike Agouti and Red Factor. I have brown dun Fjords that carry the recessive alleles of Red Factor and Agouti, which can produce red and gray duns (bays carrying alleles that can code for chestnut and black). Alleles are alternative forms of the main genes. I refer to these Fjords as red and gray carriers. They carry one allele, that if paired with another analogous allele, will produce a Fjord color other than brown dun. Veni's Finn is a gray dun (aa) carrying one recessive allele of the Red Factor gene from her dam (Ee), making her genotype (aaEe). Red alleles are not recessive to gray alleles, as they are two variations of independently assorting genes. But red dun masks gray dun in Fjords (chestnut masks black). A homozygous recessive Red Factor (ee) genotype masks the phenotypic expression of a homozygous recessive Agouti (aa) genotype. Thus, a double recessive Fjord (aaee) would genotypically be both red dun and gray dun, but would only show the red dun color, phenotypically. Since Finn is not a red dun, she only carries one copy of the red allele, while she phenotypically expresses the gray allele because she has two copies of it. Finn will give every offspring a grey allele and 50% of those offspring could receive a red allele from her. I agree that you have a 25% chance of getting a red foal by breeding Finn to a gray stallion with the same genetic makeup as Finn (Runar Fra Opdal, Smedsmo Graen, LFF Ulend, etc). For those who have followed this discussion to this point, I explained how to calculate these probabilities in the Herald article. I, too, spend too much time thinking about Fjords, and my molecular biology background makes it fun for me to think about their genetics and to explain it to others. Cherrie 1dr Fjords --- On Mon, 7/14/08, Karen Keith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: Karen Keith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: Fjord coloring ? To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Date: Monday, July 14, 2008, 11:49 AM This message is from: Karen Keith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > If both are gray, the colt will be gray. If one parent is< At the risk of being called a know it all (I've been spanked before on this list concerning color), I think the above statement is incorrect, although this is not the first time I've heard it said. Two greys could produce a red, depending on the genetic makeup of each grey. For instance, a horse in the NFHR registry named Veni's Finn is a grey dun whose sire was grey and dam was red. Since Finn is a grey dun (phenotype), we know she carries the "grey" gene. (I've got quotes around that and will expand in a further paragraph.) We also know that she carries a red gene because red was the only color her red dam had to offer. But red is recessive to the "grey" gene, so the grey coloring is what she shows the world. Her genotype is both grey and red. Therefore, when Finn is hypothetically bred, she can give her offspring either a grey or red gene. Now, if we find a grey stallion for Finn who has the same genotype (both grey and red), that stallion can give its offspring either a grey or red gene. Therefore, a hypothetical foal out of Finn by a grey stallion with grey/red phenotype could be either grey or red; with the chances being 75% grey and 25% red. Grey bred to grey can produce red, depending on the genotypes. I started looking through the r
Re: Fjord coloring ?
This message is from: "jen frame" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Mike, her muzzle has the black skin, with white hairs ontop, giving her the "mealy" muzzle look. If she gets wet then the dark skin shows through, but she has the white muzzle. After reading the post after yours that goes into depth on color genetics, I think you are right: she is a brown dunn, and the dunn gene in her case diluted a lighter bay horse. I looked closely at her colors this morning before I drove her, and her mane is dark brown--almost black but not a true black, with some red hairs mixed in, mostly lower towards her withers. Her strip is definately red, as are the primitive markings. Her points are only on her coronet band up to her ankles, and then again on her knees. The cannon bones are her light body color (i.e. her points are not contiguous up her leg, but mostly on the ankle joint and the knee joint). And the points are reddish brown with some grey hairs in them, not black. Thanks Jen On 7/14/08, Mike May, Registrar NFHR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is from: "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > At 10:09 AM 7/14/2008, you wrote: > > yes I am pretty sure she will end up a brown dun. > > What color is her muzzle - light mealy color or dark blackish color? > > Mike The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
RE: Fjord coloring ?
This message is from: Karen Keith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > If both are gray, the colt will be gray. If one parent is< At the risk of being called a know it all (I've been spanked before on this list concerning color), I think the above statement is incorrect, although this is not the first time I've heard it said. Two greys could produce a red, depending on the genetic makeup of each grey. For instance, a horse in the NFHR registry named Veni's Finn is a grey dun whose sire was grey and dam was red. Since Finn is a grey dun (phenotype), we know she carries the "grey" gene. (I've got quotes around that and will expand in a further paragraph.) We also know that she carries a red gene because red was the only color her red dam had to offer. But red is recessive to the "grey" gene, so the grey coloring is what she shows the world. Her genotype is both grey and red. Therefore, when Finn is hypothetically bred, she can give her offspring either a grey or red gene. Now, if we find a grey stallion for Finn who has the same genotype (both grey and red), that stallion can give its offspring either a grey or red gene. Therefore, a hypothetical foal out of Finn by a grey stallion with grey/red phenotype could be either grey or red; with the chances being 75% grey and 25% red. Grey bred to grey can produce red, depending on the genotypes. I started looking through the registry to see if I could find a red born of two greys, but there were so many I only got through half a dozen. Maybe someone with more time or interest can have a look. Now, I used quotes above and it's just a pet peeve of mine. So if you don't like soapbox speeches, scroll down now. I think we Fjord people make this color issue way too complicated by referring to and thinking of each Fjord dun color as a separate gene -- a grey gene or a red gene or a white gene, etc. I'm going out on a limb here (but Sponenberg will back me up http://members.aol.com/mfthorses/sponenbg.htm) to say there is no "grey" gene (or red, or white or even brown). The dun gene dilutes the base color, creating either brown, grey or red duns. The base colors in Fjords are just like the base colors in all horses -- bay, black and chestnut. (Sponenberg doesn't address the base color brown in the initial charts in this website, but Jeanette Gowers of "Horse Colour Explained" groups bays and browns together as closely related genetically.) The addition of a creme gene further dilutes those three duns and creates the white dun, yellow dun and kvit. So, when someone refers to the grey gene, or a grey dun, it's a base color of black that has been diluted by the dun gene. A red dun is a chestnut base color diluted by the dun gene. A brown dun is a bay or brown base color diluted by the dun gene. One dun gene creates three different dun colors depending on what the base color of the horse is. Finally, I'll go off on complete speculation here as to why there is such a variation in shades of Fjord colors. I go right back to base colors of horses -- bay, black and chestnut. Bays have a wide range of shades from very dark mahogany to light enough to look nearly buckskin. It makes sense to me that when you dilute with dun this varied range of base color bay, you're going to get a varied range of brown duns from dark to pale. Sound reasonable? Okay, enough for now. Take this for what it's worth. I'm not a genetics expert and I never played one on TV. Just spend way too much time thinking about Fjords. :^) Cheers! Karen, now in a hotel in Virginia, waiting for my household goods coming from the UK. Also, I'm looking for a Fjord and avidly watching everyone's for sale ads. Looking forward to the Herndon evaluation next month. _ Want to help Windows Live Messenger plant more Aussie trees? http://livelife.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=443698 The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
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This message is from: Cherrie Nolden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hey Jen, I would concur with Mike on her being a brown dun, but you can always check her genetically, just like with the gray dun color that Corrine was asking about. Just have her tested for the Red Factor gene. If she is "ee" for Red Factor, she is a red dun. If she is "EE" or "Ee" then she is a brown dun. My brown dun Fjords that carry the red dun allele all sport reddish zebra stripes and reddish back stripes but have black in their manes and tails (4 horses). My Fjords that don't carry the red allele all have black zebra stripes and brownish back stripes (7 horses). Don't know if this is coincidence, or perhaps an indicator of Red Factor carriers? Cherrie 1dr Fjords --- On Mon, 7/14/08, jen frame <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: jen frame <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Does all this info still lead you to believe she is a Brown Dunn? The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
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This message is from: "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 10:09 AM 7/14/2008, you wrote: This message is from: "jen frame" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Mike, her mane stripe is not a true black--it is dark, but not black, Although that may be sun bleaching since I kep it long; when I shave her bridle path, it is a true black, But the dark srtipe in her tail is defintaley a reddish brown and not black. Does all this info still lead you to believe she is a Brown Dunn? yes I am pretty sure she will end up a brown dun. What color is her muzzle - light mealy color or dark blackish color? Mike Probably... Jen On 7/14/08, Mike May, Registrar NFHR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is from: "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > If she has a black stripe she is a brown dun. > > Mike The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Executive Director & Registrar PO Box 685 Webster, NY 14580-0685 Voice 585-872-4114 FAX 585-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
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This message is from: "jen frame" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Mike, her mane stripe is not a true black--it is dark, but not black, Although that may be sun bleaching since I kep it long; when I shave her bridle path, it is a true black, But the dark srtipe in her tail is defintaley a reddish brown and not black. Does all this info still lead you to believe she is a Brown Dunn? Probably... Jen On 7/14/08, Mike May, Registrar NFHR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is from: "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > If she has a black stripe she is a brown dun. > > Mike The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Fjord coloring ?
This message is from: "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 08:09 PM 7/13/2008, you wrote: This message is from: "jen frame" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> My Fjord mare is like what you describe: a lovely light brown--more yellow or creamy tea colored. Her mane and tail have the dark stripe, and the stripe down her back is red. Her primitive markings on her legs are a slightly darker and more reddish color than her body, and her points are just kind of darker--sort of grey, sort of reddish, certainly not black points. She has the Njal mark on her cheek, dark spots above each eye, and many darker spots mixed in with the 4-5 swirls on her forehead. Almost looks like she has a bunch on Njal marks on her forehead, but they are just the coloring without the single black hair (the one on her cheek has the single black hair). I often wondered if she is really a red dunn rather than a brown dunn? If she has a black stripe she is a brown dun. Mike whatever she is, she is adorable Jen On 7/13/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is from: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > If you are questioning the color... then he is most likely a brown... You > will know when you have a grey... The muzzle and the eyes are very > different. I thought I had greys but they were brown and when we finally had > a grey... it will hit you that "this is a grey". :-) > > Catherine Lassesen > Hestehaven - "The Horse Garden" > & Hundehaven - "The Dog Heaven" > www.hestehaven.com / [EMAIL PROTECTED] > 1-541-825-3027 > Southern Oregon > > > > The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: > http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Executive Director & Registrar PO Box 685 Webster, NY 14580-0685 Voice 585-872-4114 FAX 585-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Fjord coloring ?
This message is from: Cherrie Nolden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Another thought Corrine.alternatively to genetic testing, what color are the colt's parents? If both are gray, the colt will be gray. If one parent is gray and the other is brown, then the colt can only be gray if the brown dun parent carries the gray dun allele. And if both parents are brown dun, they both must carry the gray allele to make a gray foal. Cherrie 1dr Fjords --- On Sun, 7/13/08, Willows Edge Farm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: Willows Edge Farm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> How can I tell if he will be grey or if he is just a lovely brown? Thanks!! Corinne Logan The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Fjord coloring ?
This message is from: Cherrie Nolden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Corinne, Look at the genetics article I wrote for the Spring 2008 Fjord Herald (Issue 86). There are three links to genetic testing companies on page 53 of the Herald. I usually use Animal Genetics out of Florida, as they only charge $25 per color test and send an offical certificate of the test results. Pull some hairs and send them in to test your little colt for the Agouti gene to find out if he is gray or brown dun. A brown dun will have an Agouti genotype of AA or Aa, whereas a gray dun will have a genotype of aa. Cherrie 1dr Fjords --- On Sun, 7/13/08, Willows Edge Farm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: Willows Edge Farm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> How can I tell if he will be grey or if he is just a lovely brown? Thanks!! Corinne Logan The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Fjord coloring ?
This message is from: Heather Baskey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Jen My gelding is almost a duplicate of what you have described below. Creamy colour with red dorsal stripe. His dorsal stripe in the mane and tail is not black - more of a brownish-black. He does have darker red markings on his face (blaze like and the Njal spots). His legs are not black, they are more greyish points. I just considered him a light brown dun. His 3/4 brother on the other hand - is a dark brown dun (very dark points, loads of black in his forelock, mane and tail. Heather - Original Message This message is from: "jen frame" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a lovely light brown--more yellow or creamy tea colored. Her mane and tail have the dark stripe, and the stripe down her back is red. Her primitive markings on her legs are a slightly darker and more reddish color than her body, and her points are just kind of darker--sort of grey, sort of reddish, certainly not black points. __ Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail. Click on Options in Mail and switch to New Mail today or register for free at http://mail.yahoo.ca The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Fjord coloring ?
This message is from: "jen frame" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> My Fjord mare is like what you describe: a lovely light brown--more yellow or creamy tea colored. Her mane and tail have the dark stripe, and the stripe down her back is red. Her primitive markings on her legs are a slightly darker and more reddish color than her body, and her points are just kind of darker--sort of grey, sort of reddish, certainly not black points. She has the Njal mark on her cheek, dark spots above each eye, and many darker spots mixed in with the 4-5 swirls on her forehead. Almost looks like she has a bunch on Njal marks on her forehead, but they are just the coloring without the single black hair (the one on her cheek has the single black hair). I often wondered if she is really a red dunn rather than a brown dunn? whatever she is, she is adorable Jen On 7/13/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is from: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > If you are questioning the color... then he is most likely a brown... You > will know when you have a grey... The muzzle and the eyes are very > different. I thought I had greys but they were brown and when we finally had > a grey... it will hit you that "this is a grey". :-) > > Catherine Lassesen > Hestehaven - "The Horse Garden" > & Hundehaven - "The Dog Heaven" > www.hestehaven.com / [EMAIL PROTECTED] > 1-541-825-3027 > Southern Oregon > > > > The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: > http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
RE: Fjord coloring ?
This message is from: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> If you are questioning the color... then he is most likely a brown... You will know when you have a grey... The muzzle and the eyes are very different. I thought I had greys but they were brown and when we finally had a grey... it will hit you that "this is a grey". :-) Catherine Lassesen Hestehaven - "The Horse Garden" & Hundehaven - "The Dog Heaven" www.hestehaven.com / [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1-541-825-3027 Southern Oregon The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
RE: Fjord coloring ?
This message is from: "Gail Russell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Does he have the little dark question marks above his eyes? GAil grey than brown. How can I tell if he will be grey or if he is just a lovely brown? Thanks!! The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Fjord coloring ?
This message is from: "Douglas Knutsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Linda, I suspect you have a colorful brown dun. Some of my browns have had redish points. Even Erlend has red along with the black and white in his forelock and tail. Pictures? Peg Knutsen www.knutsenfjordfarm.com - Original Message - From: "Linda Lottie User" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 11:10 AM Subject: Re: Fjord coloring ? This message is from: Linda Lottie User <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Good question, Corinne. I have one toomy 6 year old gelding, Hasse, is a lighter brown dun, with black stripe down his mane and tail, BUT, his striping down his back is red and the stripes on his legs are red.. Seems like his coloring is a combois this a common thing? Linda On 7/13/08 1:49 PM, "Willows Edge Farm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: This message is from: "Willows Edge Farm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> So I have a new little guy and am baffled at his coloring ... his body is brown dun but has grey undertones coming through and facial coloring is more grey than brown. How can I tell if he will be grey or if he is just a lovely brown? Thanks!! Corinne Logan Willows Edge Farm Bothell, WA (425) 402-6781 www.willowsedgefarm.com The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Fjord coloring ?
This message is from: Linda Lottie User <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Good question, Corinne. I have one toomy 6 year old gelding, Hasse, is a lighter brown dun, with black stripe down his mane and tail, BUT, his striping down his back is red and the stripes on his legs are red.. Seems like his coloring is a combois this a common thing? Linda On 7/13/08 1:49 PM, "Willows Edge Farm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is from: "Willows Edge Farm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > So I have a new little guy and am baffled at his coloring ... his body is > brown dun but has grey undertones coming through and facial coloring is more > grey than brown. > How can I tell if he will be grey or if he is just a lovely brown? > Thanks!! > > Corinne Logan > Willows Edge Farm > Bothell, WA > (425) 402-6781 > www.willowsedgefarm.com > > The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: > http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Fjord Coloring Books
This message is from: "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 10:09 AM 11/30/2003, you wrote: Hello, Mike - "...new NFHR Fjord Horse Coloring Book has been printed...about ready for delivery...send the order now...will still have them in time for Christmas..." Is it possible to order them online, like with PayPal.com, or just via regular mail (below) ? It's ok if not, just thought I'd ask! :-) No we are not setup to take PayPal yet I am afraid. Sorry, Mike Much appreciated, Sher in Colorado --- NFHR 1203 Appian Dr Webster, NY 14580 The books are $5.00 each & shipping is $3.00 for up to 3 books === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Executive Director & Registrar PO Box 685 Webster, NY 14580-0685 Voice 585-872-4114 FAX 585-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fjord Coloring Books
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello, Mike - "...new NFHR Fjord Horse Coloring Book has been printed...about ready for delivery...send the order now...will still have them in time for Christmas..." Is it possible to order them online, like with PayPal.com, or just via regular mail (below) ? It's ok if not, just thought I'd ask! :-) Much appreciated, Sher in Colorado --- NFHR 1203 Appian Dr Webster, NY 14580 The books are $5.00 each & shipping is $3.00 for up to 3 books
Re: Fjord Coloring
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Just a quick comment as I am sure you are all sick of hearing how wonderful Frodo is. Fjord/Arab cross - he actually has much better Fjord markings than Nina (purebred). Legs, mane, dorsal stripe only difference is his mane is softer not quite as stand up. So from my point of view it would be very hard to tell him from a purebred and he's 21 now. Coming down the road to the farm yesterday - there were 5 or 6 of the light colored critters in the pond. They looked like light colored hippos. All that was visible was the tops of their backs and heads. Robyn in MD where it's just way too hot and I have 3 more weeks of camp to survive.
