Re: Y2K and your PC
This message is from: "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 06:42 PM 12/30/99 -0500, you wrote: This message is from: "william poe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi List, I'm not sure if this will make a difference in your computer for Y2K, but I checked mine and it failed the "short test". I'm passing along this info that was sent to me. Maybe someone on the list knows if this does make a difference. I did change mine just in case! That one is a HOAX Bill. That short date is just what is being displayed by Windows. Here is a link to the Symantec Web Site for further information on this Hoax. http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/y2k.windows.hoax.html May the New Year bring to pass all your hopes and dreams. And a HAPPY NEW YEAR to you too! Mike === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Registrar Voice 716-872-4114 FAX 716-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Y2K and your PC
This message is from: "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 04:08 PM 12/30/99 -0800, you wrote: This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Should we make the correction before midnight or after? Thanks for this tip. Jean It won't matter Jean. That is a Hoax. Mike === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Registrar Voice 716-872-4114 FAX 716-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Y2K and your PC
This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Thanks Fred. Jean Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Barnes & Noble Book Stores
RE: Y2K and your PC
This message is from: "Frederick J. (Fred) Pack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Dear friends, this "short test" is a hoax being spread around. My son is a VP for Microsoft and he put me in touch with some "gurus". The "gurus" pointed me to a Microsoft web page that explained the "non existent" problem. Basically it said: This change of short date to long date affects nothing more than the display function and has nothing to do with how the computer will, or will not, operate. The internal functions of Windows are still rolling over to the year 2000. If you want it to say 2000, instead of 00then change the display. Either way, the computer is still functioning properly. IT IS NOT REALLY NECESSARY TO CHANGE THE DIPLAY. All the best, and Happy New Year from: Fred and Lois Pack Pack's Peak Stables Wilkeson, WA USA Sorry to re-send the entire forwarded message, but thought the above might make better sense. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of william poe Sent: Thursday, December 30, 1999 3:43 PM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Y2K and your PC This message is from: "william poe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi List, I'm not sure if this will make a difference in your computer for Y2K, but I checked mine and it failed the "short test". I'm passing along this info that was sent to me. Maybe someone on the list knows if this does make a difference. I did change mine just in case! After running this quick little test, much to my surprise, I > > learned that my computer would have failed on 01-01-2000 due to a > > computer clock glitch. Fortunately, a quick fix is provided, should > > your computer fail the test. > > > > I submit the following for your consideration: > > > > > >TEST > > Double click on "My Computer". > > Double click on "Control Panel". > > Double click on "Regional Settings" icon. > > Click on the "Date" tab at the top of the page. > > Where it says, "Short Date Sample", look and see if it shows > > a "two digit" year. Of course it does. That's the default > > setting for Windows 95, Windows 98 and NT. This date RIGHT HERE > > is the date that feeds application software and WILL NOT rollover > > in the year 2000. It will roll over to 00. > > > > Click on the button across from "Short Date Style" and > > select the option that shows, mm/dd/. (Be sure your selection > > has four Y's showing, not two) Then click on "Apply" and then click > > on "OK" at the bottom. > > > > Easy enough to fix. However, every single installation of Windows > > worldwide is defaulted to fail Y2K rollover. > > > > Please feel free to pass this on to your friends and associates. > > May the New Year bring to pass all your hopes and dreams. Bill and Kathy Poe East Fork Fjords Lynchburg, Ohio Bill and Kathy Poe East Fork Fjords Lynchburg, Ohio
Re: Y2K and your PC
This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Should we make the correction before midnight or after? Thanks for this tip. Jean Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Barnes & Noble Book Stores
Re: Y2K
This message is from: Mike May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 08:47 PM 11/12/98 -0700, you wrote: >This message is from: Starfire Farm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >VERY funny Mike. Thank you! No problem. ;-)
Re: Y2K
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi everybody, I've been away for a week at a meeting in Las Vegas (where veryone will be REALLY messed up if the power goes out given the acres of neon :o]) and am just catching up with 184 messages, so apologize if somene has commented already on my point here. Not to Poo-poo concern over Y2, but one simple way to handle things for your personal computer is to set your clock to simulate the appoach of Jan.1,2000, and see what happens. Before you do, you may want to make a backup copy of the files that are your operating system to start your computer from a disk drive if it will not start from the hard drive (this is a good idea in general snce hard drives (mechanical devices after all) can, and do, fail). As I understand it, there are several levels of computer operation and all can be affected. The first place to statrt a Y2K check is the BIOS (basic input/output system). This is found on a chip attaced to the mother board. To identify if you machine is in complaince, eithe id the manufacture and version of the BIOS you have and contact the manufacturer to see if it is compliance, OR purchase a Y2K software testing package such as Check2000 or YMARK2000. The next thing to check on is the Operating System (unless you are using Windows 98 (Yes, there is a reason to upgrade OS, and its not just to make Bill Gates richer) or a Macintosh (which have had compliant BIOS and OS since 1984. For other OS, it is possible to download "a patch" from vendor webpages (for example, Windows 95 requires a patch WIN95Y2.EXE available from microsoft.com) The next level to check for compliance is any applications you are suing. Check200 will scan applications and generate a list of possible errors so that you can contact the vendor for help on how to patch them. Other problems are possible at the Data Level (i.e., in spreadsheets, macros, and automated functions), although these will only cause bad data or reports, rather than systems failures. The kinds of problems Brian and others were discussion are referred to as the Dependency Level, that is, place on which you rely, but over which you have no control (e.g., will your shipping company be up and running, etc.?). In these cases, it may be worth a call to them to see what they are doing to ensure compliance. I am told that most computers will work correctly during the date change over if left powered-up during the change. If it fails, it will be at the next boot after 1/1/2000. I have also been told that one way to handle the change is to reset the clock to an earlier year. I remain hopeful that people in change of such things as nuke plants, missile silos, etc. will at least be able to do something such as that. Irrespective of what other preparations one might make, it seems to be a good idea to have a very current statement from your bank, credit card company, utility supplier, persons who owe you money, just prior to the changeover in the event that things really do get messed up.
Re: Y2K
This message is from: Starfire Farm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> VERY funny Mike. Thank you!
Re: Y2k bug
This message is from: "Alison Barr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I think the funniest thing about the Y2k problem is that the arts and graphics industry will be the least affected, as allot of them use Macs and macs (according to dad, who should know) never had the problem in the first place. Imagine, in the year 2000, everyone is in trouble, yet we still get adds: )
RE: Y2K and Fjords
This message is from: Larson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Of course, there's still a small possibility that this time the >doomsayers could be right. As the old saying goes, even a stopped >clock is right twice a day > Marsha Jo, I really am impressed with yours and Pamela's preparedness! And I have to agree with all the realists, alarmists and optomists. Actually, if you review the list, we are all agreeing on one thing here: whether the domesday sayers are right or not, whether the computer experts are right or not, whether the financial wizards are right or not, the reaction of the populace just prior to 01-01-2000 can cause a major disruption all by itself. For this reason as well as normal issues such as blizzards, hurricanes, tornadoes, earthquakes, etc., we seem to all agree to some form and degree of preparedness for our families and our animals.
Re: Y2K
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 11/9/98 20:59:50 Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Like Steve, I suspect there will be a few Y2K glitches, which will be quickly ironed out or "worked around". That's what us programmers do for a living! >> I'm more with Brian on this one. I've been reading, my husband (as said before) has worked with computer chips/semiconductors/programming, etc. etc. for years and has some expertise. Me? I just use the computer. But enough information has been seeping in that I think it is folly to NOT be prepared. I hope you are right, and nothing major will happen, but I'm not convinced. Nobody "really" knows what will happen, and we won't really know till 1-1-00. And then either everybody will be laughing at those who were concerned, or it will be too late to do anything about it. To me, since we don't know what will happen, it just makes good sense to be prepared. And yes, I've heard "chicken little" from my mother. But I had a lot more time to spend talking with her than I have to discuss it on the fjord list . She now trusts that I have her best interests at heart, and will be staying with us 1-1-00. God, I hope she has a good laugh at my expense! At the least, she'll get to meet my new horses and see the property we just bought. Pamela
Re: Y2K
This message is from: Marsha Jo Hannah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Steve McIlree <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I've been in the computer business long enough to have created many > of the programs that are going to break. My opinion is that the > morning of January 1, 2000 will dawn without any major disruption. > Those who would have you believe otherwise are those who always have > fun scaring themselves with tales of the coming apocalypse or > economic collapse. Or they are folks who are cutting themselves a > fat hog by consulting. Yes there will be minor problems, but nothing > that will bring any kind of catastrophic collapse of our modern > social order. I'd say that about sums it up! Most of these media folks obviously don't know the difference between computer hardware (which just counts seconds from some initial date, and won't notice the Y2K rollover), vs computer databases (which may save date info in human-readable form that looks like MM/DD/YY), vs computer software (which may or may not convert properly between the two formats). But, yes, some of the loudest of the doom-sayers have been finding reasons to warn folks to head for the hills, buy silver, and lay in 6 months of food for at least 2 decades (several different scenarios that never happened)--- i.e. they've been doing the "Chicken Little" (the sky is falling!) routine for quite some time! The biggest danger this time is that enough people will believe them to cause "runs" on banks, grocery stores, etc. Sort of the ultimate "virus warning" hoax Like Steve, I suspect there will be a few Y2K glitches, which will be quickly ironed out or "worked around". That's what us programmers do for a living! However, preparedness never hurts. We're in earthquake country, with The Big One predicted for sometime in the next 30 years. We're also in mudslide country---our "driveway" has been known to be impassible for weeks or months. And, the winter storms knock out our power for several days at a time, almost every year. Consequently, we've always got at least one backup for just about everything in the pantry. We have a generator and a supply of gasoline. The woodshed is always at least half full. The water tank always has at least 4000 gallons in it. I start every winter with enough hay to last the Fjords thru to the next haying season. Etc. Of course, there's still a small possibility that this time the doomsayers could be right. As the old saying goes, even a stopped clock is right twice a day Marsha Jo HannahMurphy must have been a horseman-- [EMAIL PROTECTED] anything that can go wrong, will! 30 mi SSE of San Francisco, Calif. ---
Re: Y2K
This message is from: Kevin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Steve McIlree wrote: > > This message is from: Steve McIlree <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > I've been in the computer business long enough to have created many > of the programs that are going to break. My opinion is that the > morning of January 1, 2000 will dawn without any major disruption. > Those who would have you believe otherwise are those who always have > fun scaring themselves with tales of the coming apocalypse or > economic collapse. Or they are folks who are cutting themselves a > fat hog by consulting. Yes there will be minor problems, but nothing > that will bring any kind of catastrophic collapse of our modern > social order. > > I find it interesting, that at the cusp of the last millennium, the > doomsayers were predicting the second coming of Christ and the > destruction of the world. This time we're just expecting our > machines to break. > > -- > Steve McIlree & Cynthia Madden -- Pferd, Keyah, Skipper, Tank -- Omaha, > Nebraska, USA > Then we began to ride. My soul smoothed itself out, a long-cramped scroll > freshening and fluttering in the wind. --Robert Browning(1812-1889) Steve, I agree. I am the Y2k site coordinator at a major international multimillion dollar corporation. We expect, after all is said and done, to spend about $113 million. It's a big deal, but like the initial message from Dr. Brian Jacobsen, he is putting in more scares and half truths to the real problem. Best Regards, Kevin A. Ryan Network Administrator Dana Corporation -- "My wife told me I should be more affectionate. So I got two girlfriends." Kevin A. Ryan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Y2K
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 11/9/98 11:10:32 Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << I agree with Steve on the Y2K "problem". I'm a technical writer, and have worked in the software industry for over 10 years. I find that the majority of the people (like my mom) who are "scared" by the Y2K thing (which the media has blown out of proportion due to nothing else interesting to talk about) are people who do NOT make their living by computers--they are scared of computers, so they are also scared of problems with computers. >> I don't know about that. My husband is a highly sought computer expert and he's nervous. So are some of his friends that are even higher up the echelon in the computer world. Some of them are definitely city people, yet they have gone out and bought acres and acres of land in the middle of Idaho in preparation for New Years 2000. I'm going to be on the safe side. I hope nothing much happens, but just in case, I'll be ready. If nothing does happen, well, I'll have enough candles to last the rest of my life, and enough canned goods that I can happily donate to homeless shelters. Pamela Known for being cautious
Re: Y2K
This message is from: Lori Albrough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Another computer person checking in to say the Y2K problem is being overhyped in the media. This is not to say things will be perfect. There will be problems, but a lot of them at the time of roll-over (when the clock changes from Dec 31, 1999 11:59 pm to Jan 1, 2000). I'm planning on not flying at that exact moment :-) Resist the urge to take all your money out of the bank and cash in your investments. Everyone getting panicky ahead of time could be worse than the actual Y2K problems. BUT, everyone should be prepared for emergencies. Last year's ice storm in Eastern Ontario and Quebec should have taught us that. People were without electricity for weeks, some up to a month. This means no heat, no lights, no WATER, no transportation as everything was coated in treacherous ice. The army delivered water to people and farms, but I heard if you didn't have somewhere to store the water, you were still in trouble. We have a 30 foot deep dug well lined with large boulders, it has a hand pump and was used by the original people who lived here. Their house and barn are long gone, although the foundations remain. This well has never failed to produce water with just a few pumps of the handle. Last year we had the water tested and although it does have some bacteria, it is safe for livestock and OK for humans if boiled. Last winter we had occasion to use it when our main well pumped fried itself. So water is taken care of. We also have a large supply of wood for the wood stove, hay in the hay shed, and emergency rations in the cold cellar. The only thing I don't have is much of an emergency medical supply kit (ie, drugs for the horses). I've always relied on our vets quick response. Also, first aid knowledge (for people) is something lacking. A first aid course has always been something I've been planning to do Time to get on that. I bought this excellent book, basically it's "what to do if you can't get the vet". It's called "Emergency" and is by Dr. Karen Hayes (who also wrote the "Complete Book of Foaling", another good one). "Emergency" covers step by step for Laminitis, Colic, Head Injuries, Wounds, Eye Problems, etc. etc. Also gives a list of drugs you should have on hand (although I haven't implemented that part). Anyway, a really good book to keep in the barn. Y2K aside, emergency preparedness and disaster planning is something that everyone should be thinking of. Lori Albrough Bluebird Lane Fjords Moorefield, Ontario, Canada
RE: Y2K
This message is from: "Poirier, Jeanne L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Jodie, What you wrote is VERY true! I work in the 'high tech' industry, and knowing what we know about the computer world, we believe the sun will come up 01-Jan-00 just like any other day. My folks, (mid 60's), are terrified about this day coming. They've even started buying extra food, storing water and... get this... even making plans to have all of their money in cash, at home, when 01-Jan-00 hits!! They even believe that at midnight on December 31, 1999, all planes in the air will just drop from the sky Can you believe this ?!?! I've tried to talk to them about this, but... somewhere, somehow they are scared to death. And, unlike your Mom, they don't own a Fjord :-( Now, THATS sad. Jeanne in Berthoud Colorado - watching Hanne's coat grow thicker and thicker !! > -- > From: Jodie Gilmore[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, November 09, 1998 12:10 PM > To: Fjord Horse List > Subject: Re: Y2K > > This message is from: Jodie Gilmore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > I agree with Steve on the Y2K "problem". I'm a technical writer, and have > worked in the software industry for over 10 years. I find that the > majority of the people (like my mom) who are "scared" by the Y2K thing > (which the media has blown out of proportion due to nothing else > interesting to talk about) are people who do NOT make their living by > computers--they are scared of computers, so they are also scared of > problems with computers. > > My take on it is this--it's not only the *consumers* who will be affected > by Y2K glitches in programs. The business *owners* will be too, so it is > beneficial to their bottom line to smooth out most problems beforehand, > and they will do so. There will be places in the programs that didn't get > fixed/caught, but I do not think any of the bank, satellite, financial > guru, etc. type businesses want to lose money, and they will do what is > necessary to keep from doing that. > > Better off worrying about the polar ice caps melting (another of my Mom's > favorite topics...) But she *does* own two Fjords, so she can't be all > bad! :) :) :) > > --- > Jodie Gilmore > Freelance Technical Writer > Washougal, WA > > >
Re: Y2K
This message is from: Jodie Gilmore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I agree with Steve on the Y2K "problem". I'm a technical writer, and have worked in the software industry for over 10 years. I find that the majority of the people (like my mom) who are "scared" by the Y2K thing (which the media has blown out of proportion due to nothing else interesting to talk about) are people who do NOT make their living by computers--they are scared of computers, so they are also scared of problems with computers. My take on it is this--it's not only the *consumers* who will be affected by Y2K glitches in programs. The business *owners* will be too, so it is beneficial to their bottom line to smooth out most problems beforehand, and they will do so. There will be places in the programs that didn't get fixed/caught, but I do not think any of the bank, satellite, financial guru, etc. type businesses want to lose money, and they will do what is necessary to keep from doing that. Better off worrying about the polar ice caps melting (another of my Mom's favorite topics...) But she *does* own two Fjords, so she can't be all bad! :) :) :) --- Jodie Gilmore Freelance Technical Writer Washougal, WA
Re: Y2K
This message is from: Steve McIlree <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I've been in the computer business long enough to have created many of the programs that are going to break. My opinion is that the morning of January 1, 2000 will dawn without any major disruption. Those who would have you believe otherwise are those who always have fun scaring themselves with tales of the coming apocalypse or economic collapse. Or they are folks who are cutting themselves a fat hog by consulting. Yes there will be minor problems, but nothing that will bring any kind of catastrophic collapse of our modern social order. I find it interesting, that at the cusp of the last millennium, the doomsayers were predicting the second coming of Christ and the destruction of the world. This time we're just expecting our machines to break. -- Steve McIlree & Cynthia Madden -- Pferd, Keyah, Skipper, Tank -- Omaha, Nebraska, USA Then we began to ride. My soul smoothed itself out, a long-cramped scroll freshening and fluttering in the wind. --Robert Browning(1812-1889)
Re: Y2K
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 11/8/98 20:35:21 Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << What comments do others have to add? Why or why not do you think Y2K will be a problem? >> Brian, your timing is great. I just told some friend on another list about the book "The Millenium Bug -How To Avoid The Coming Chaos". It's kind of spooky to think about. At first I thought it was a tempest in a teapot, but my husband works in the computer industry, and has heard some rumours... We've been getting ready. We're going to be buying a hand pump for our well. This way horses and humans will have water. A generator will be nice, along with a supply of propane for it. Got the transportation thing down . Fjords for the winter, and quarter horses on occasion. Stocking up on food, water, candles is also recommended in the book I read. Buying silver, cause your credit cards won't work if the banks are shut down. Toilet paper, ammunition and bic lighters will be good items to have stocked up to use for barter, along with coffee, tea and sugar. My mother who lives outside of Cleveland will be staying with us. I finally have her nervous enough to realize she'll be safer here. I told her if nothing happens she can laugh at me, and go home on January 7. But if it gets as scary as it could, she'll be safe and protected. We bought our property 7 months ago, and so far only have 2 of the 5 acres of pasture fenced off. This next year I'll be planting a big garden, working hard to give our horses the extra 3 acres of pasture by fencing. And preparing...just in case. If nothing happens, I'll have a lot of canned goods, and candles, etc. And if we ever get snowed in here in temperate Oregon, I'll be set. Oh yes, the book recommends that we all get EMT training. Learn how to deal with broken bones, heart attacks, etc. etc. Pamela Who is a bit nervous about next year
