Re: Wolf teeth ..OUT
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Just a note to add about wolf teeth. They pull out relatively easy compared to the other teeth so it can be done with some sedation and that's it.
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This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Janne, what is "harvest dust?" Up here in Alaska we have "termination dust" which is Snow, meaning many summer construction jobs are ending. Jean in sunny but cool Fairabanksk, Alaska, 40 degrees now, was 32 this morning with a bit of frost. >Janne in sunny and warm ND. Harvest dust in the air. > > > Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Wolf Teeth -- V and R meet the dentist
This message is from: "Bill/Liz/Katy/Charlie/Arne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cheryl, I love the name Yggdrasil!! I tried to convince Ceacy (Henderson) to name one of her foals that, but she wouldn't listen. :( She said she didn't think anyone would be able to pronounce it! haha, maybe she's right, but it's a wonderful Norwegian name! The first time I saw it, in an Agatha Christie mystery, I had no idea about Norwegian mythology...took me a while to figure out the name... Katy Andersen + Jon [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "fjordhorse-digest" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 9:30 AM Subject: fjordhorse-digest V2002 #208 > > fjordhorse-digest Sunday, September 8 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 208 > > > > In this issue: > >Color >Re: Fuzzy coats >Wolf Teeth -- V and R meet the dentist >Congrats, Grass and Feed, Gayle Ware >Color >Re: Color >Fjord stuff >saddles >Shetlands >Re: Shetlands >Re: Fjord stuff >FJORD HORSE CHATSUNDAY NIGHT > > See the end of the digest for information on how to retrieve back issues. > > -- > > Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 21:42:34 -0700 > From: "Knutsen Fjord Farm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Color > > This message is from: "Knutsen Fjord Farm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Hi again - > > Lauren, I know beans about paints, but it appears that Karen has answered > your question. To all, I recommend Sponenberg's books on Equine Color > Genetics. There is also one called Horse Color Explained by Jeanette Gower. > > Randi - on the basis of the information given, 25% is your chance of getting > grey. Comments, Lori? > > Karen - BB to BB, Bb, or bb is your only guarantee of grey phenotype. Help > me out here, Lori, I think I've fallen into the deep end of the gene pool > and I can't get out. > > Jamie - See above - I'll try to clear my head and be more helpful tomorrow. > I'm just back from two weeks at Julie's and not at my best. > > As far as shagginess is concerned, our small sample of [one] stallion is > less shaggy than the brown mares, about the same as the grey girls, so I > have attributed the difference to color, but it could be inheritance, where > they were raised, who knows? At least it's not diet, because we don't > discriminate on the basis of color here They all dine at the same > counter. > > Bye - Peg > > Peg Knutsen - Ellensburg, WA > http://www.eburg.com/~kffjord/ > > -- > > Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 23:29:35 -0600 > From: Alison Bakken <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: Fuzzy coats > > This message is from: Alison Bakken <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Hi, > > I have noticed that my stallion Anvil's Borgen keeps a fairly short coat > compared to the geldings and most of the mares. I agree with that > nutrition plays an important role in the coat. Some horse just seem to > get longer coats than others. > > Alison Bakken > > Sundre, Alberta Cool days and nights just above freezing. > > -- > > Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 08:26:47 -0400 > From: "Cheryl Beillard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Wolf Teeth -- V and R meet the dentist > > This message is from: "Cheryl Beillard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Well .. realizing I had to get the vet back to fill out yet another emmigration > form for Yggdrasil (!) (it's Emigrate for those leaving and Immigrate for those > arriving, right?), and in anticipation of their start in training this month, > yesterday we did the deed and turned the barn into a dental surgery for Veronica > (2) and Rannild (3) .. and it took forever. My husband retreated to the house > to avoid listening to the groans of by now heavily sedated V, and the grinding > ..too much empathy. We started on her with half the normal dose as I have read > accounts of how fjords are more sensitive to anaesthetics (?) and remember a > Nfld. dog that nearly died when we had to sedate him to remove porcupine quills > (his partner in crime, a black lab, and 1/2 the weight, took 3 times the dose > and was still growling at us) . > > It took well over an hour to loosen V's and get them out .. one was quite long, > the other small .. the vet thought it was easier when they are a older and other > teeth have come in to dislodge them? Rannild's were both small and came out in > about 20 minutes and we were all sweating .. even us humans w/o the drugs in our > systems. Not a pleasant process but I am convinced it is important to do, to > avoid potential problems with bitting/driving, etc. in future. We will give > them 3-4 days to heal up and then they're off to the trainer to be started so I > can drive them both next spring. > > By the way, all my current driving horses are bred to Felix (heads up anyone > interested in a Bragda/Felix baby, or one from Soleia or Tunica (Kalypso/Courage > and Brusvein/Solar gra
Re: Wolf Teeth
This message is from: "Karen Keith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> No, no. I don't need a new dentist; he needs a new client for mixing the two up! At any rate, she has funny little "canines" which are what he told me the Egyptian story about. He said he wouldn't pull them since they aren't a problem. Karen Are you talking about CANINE teeth? These are just behind the last incisors. Wolf teeth are tiny teeth just IN FRONT of the molars. These you remove. You should NOT remove canine teeth! They will usually have a very large root. Yes, few mare have canines, usually, but many have wolf teeth! My young mare Adel has wolf teeth, but they don't seem to be a problem. If your "horse dentist" is calling Canine teeth "wolf teeth", I would get another dentist! Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska At 01:54 PM 9/6/2002 +1000, you wrote: >This message is from: "Karen Keith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >This discussion of wolf teeth in mares is rather interesting. My mare has >these funny little teeth next to the last of her incisors that I had never >seen before in another horse. I got the "tooth fairy" out -- that's the >horse dentist -- and he told me they were wolf teeth. He said only about 5% >of mares have wolf teeth. Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx
Re: Wolf teeth
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] << Had a yearling with the "biggest wolf tooth" our vet had ever seen. Had another, teeth taken on first visit here by the vet, two good sized ones and my old gelding at 12 or 13 all of a sudden had a wolf tooth erupt, never seen before on the 6 monthly dental checks that I insist on. Oldest wolf tooth they had seen! So my vets are always careful to check my guys, they also seem to think it is a little more common than other breeds. >> That was the same with Torden - his wolf teeth were the biggest my equine dentist had ever seen (and he's seen a LOT of them!), at least three times the "average" size. It's got to be the breed. Jamie In the Mountains SW of Denver, CO
Re: Wolf Teeth
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 9/5/2002 9:17:14 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > My mare has > these funny little teeth next to the last of her incisors Actually, wolf teeth will be right in front of the foremost molars; which is why they will often bother horses when using a bit. They are usually very small and snugged right up against the molar. I have seen quite a few mares that had wolf teeth. Now CANINE teeth are very rare in mares - the single tooth in the center of the open space between the incisors & molars. These two very different teeth are often confused, or even thought to be the same thing (I've even heard a vet once refer to the canines in a mare we had as "wolf teeth"). There was actually a very good article written by Dr Doug Hammill, DVM of Montana on wolf teeth in a previous issue of Small Farmer's Journal. Amy Amy Evers Dun Lookin' Fjords Redmond, OR Fjord [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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This message is from: M Korose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Had a yearling with the "biggest wolf tooth" our vet had ever seen. Had another, teeth taken on first visit here by the vet, two good sized ones and my old gelding at 12 or 13 all of a sudden had a wolf tooth erupt, never seen before on the 6 monthly dental checks that I insist on. Oldest wolf tooth they had seen! So my vets are always careful to check my guys, they also seem to think it is a little more common than other breeds. Marsha in VA where we have 3 "baby" CDEs/horse trials in the next 4 weeks, am I lucky or WHAT! Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com
Re: Wolf Teeth
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 9/5/2002 9:38:04 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Yes, few mare have canines, usually, but many have wolf > teeth! My young mare Adel has wolf teeth, but they don't seem to be a > problem. > Juniper's got the canines. Very odd looking. Pamela http://hometown.aol.com/northhorse/index.html";>Northern Holiday Horses
Re: Wolf Teeth
This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Are you talking about CANINE teeth? These are just behind the last incisors. Wolf teeth are tiny teeth just IN FRONT of the molars. These you remove. You should NOT remove canine teeth! They will usually have a very large root. Yes, few mare have canines, usually, but many have wolf teeth! My young mare Adel has wolf teeth, but they don't seem to be a problem. If your "horse dentist" is calling Canine teeth "wolf teeth", I would get another dentist! Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska At 01:54 PM 9/6/2002 +1000, you wrote: >This message is from: "Karen Keith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >This discussion of wolf teeth in mares is rather interesting. My mare has >these funny little teeth next to the last of her incisors that I had never >seen before in another horse. I got the "tooth fairy" out -- that's the >horse dentist -- and he told me they were wolf teeth. He said only about 5% >of mares have wolf teeth. Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Wolf Teeth, Fall Coats and
This message is from: "Karen Keith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Argh! Sorry. I know I should have edited that message, but I'd hit the send button just nanoseconds before the "edit" light went on in my head. As punishment, I am writing 100 times, "I will not drink wine and operate a computer." But don't worry, I won't post it. Cheers! Karen _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx
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This message is from: "Karen Keith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> This discussion of wolf teeth in mares is rather interesting. My mare has these funny little teeth next to the last of her incisors that I had never seen before in another horse. I got the "tooth fairy" out -- that's the horse dentist -- and he told me they were wolf teeth. He said only about 5% of mares have wolf teeth. Then he told me a story of why that is. This, of course, may just be a story or there may be some truth to it, so take it for what it's worth. He said years ago (I think about 5,000) when the Egyptians were selectively breeding horses, they decided wolf teeth were un-feminine, so bred them out of their mares. And that's why few mares today have wolf teeth. Now this may be an interesting factoid or entirely fiction, but I've taken the theory a step further after seeing all the posts about wolf teeth being not uncommon in Fjord mares. Perhaps wolf teeth are more common in Fjord mares because Fjords are closer to the primitive horse rather than the selectively bred animals (I assume Arabs). Anybody like that theory? Bear in mind, it's been formulated and typed on a couple of glasses of Penfolds Bin 389. :^) (hic) Chew on that. (Tooth pun intended.) Cheers! Karen From: "John Rooker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Re: Wolf Teeth, Fall Coats and Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 11:20:25 -0400 This message is from: "John Rooker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Vili, our one and only Fjord, just had two wolf teeth removed a week ago. *** REPLY SEPARATOR *** On 9/4/02 at 11:09 PM Cheryl Beillard wrote: >This message is from: "Cheryl Beillard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Hi all .. I have a question for everyone regarding the prevalence of wolf >teeth >in the fjord population. I have just had the vet check two horses (2 and >3 yr >old mares) and both have small wolf teeth erupting which I will have pulled >before they are started this fall in their driving program. This is the >3rd >fjord (of 7) which have had these teeth and my vet seems to think that >this is a >high percentage? So I'm wondering what the general experience has been >among >the several hundred fjord owners/breeders on the List? Do you check, and >how >often have you found your horses to have them. And do you have them >removed. >Neither of the two trainers I use will accept a horse with wolf teeth .. > >re the fall coats .. of my 6, one 2 yr old and this year's foal, have both >started to get their winter coats .. the others remain smooth and glossy. >It >would be interesting to know if they follow the same pattern, ie early or >late, >in shedding or growing coats, from year to year. > >One other minor brag, for the breed as a whole, .. the same foal -- which >Barb >Jones and I have agreed to name Julie's Yggdrasil (Flotren x Bragda) - 4 >mths, >had to undergo vaccinations and a Coggins test this morning, for which he >stood >quite calmy (albeit with a bucket o of grain under his nose and someone >rubbing >his back) .. and the vet said she didn't believe that any other breed >could be >so easy to work with and so calm in response to this type of stress .. >most of >the babies she sees fly all over the stall at the first jab .. this boy >has all >of Bragda's spirit and then some, but clearly an equally strong does of >common >sense and trust in us .. we were so proud of him and I know that if Julie >were >up to reading the List, she'd be proud of him too. Watch out world, this >is >going to be one nice horse when he grows up! _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com
Re: Wolf Teeth, Fall Coats and
This message is from: "John Rooker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Vili, our one and only Fjord, just had two wolf teeth removed a week ago. *** REPLY SEPARATOR *** On 9/4/02 at 11:09 PM Cheryl Beillard wrote: >This message is from: "Cheryl Beillard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Hi all .. I have a question for everyone regarding the prevalence of wolf >teeth >in the fjord population. I have just had the vet check two horses (2 and >3 yr >old mares) and both have small wolf teeth erupting which I will have pulled >before they are started this fall in their driving program. This is the >3rd >fjord (of 7) which have had these teeth and my vet seems to think that >this is a >high percentage? So I'm wondering what the general experience has been >among >the several hundred fjord owners/breeders on the List? Do you check, and >how >often have you found your horses to have them. And do you have them >removed. >Neither of the two trainers I use will accept a horse with wolf teeth .. > >re the fall coats .. of my 6, one 2 yr old and this year's foal, have both >started to get their winter coats .. the others remain smooth and glossy. >It >would be interesting to know if they follow the same pattern, ie early or >late, >in shedding or growing coats, from year to year. > >One other minor brag, for the breed as a whole, .. the same foal -- which >Barb >Jones and I have agreed to name Julie's Yggdrasil (Flotren x Bragda) - 4 >mths, >had to undergo vaccinations and a Coggins test this morning, for which he >stood >quite calmy (albeit with a bucket o of grain under his nose and someone >rubbing >his back) .. and the vet said she didn't believe that any other breed >could be >so easy to work with and so calm in response to this type of stress .. >most of >the babies she sees fly all over the stall at the first jab .. this boy >has all >of Bragda's spirit and then some, but clearly an equally strong does of >common >sense and trust in us .. we were so proud of him and I know that if Julie >were >up to reading the List, she'd be proud of him too. Watch out world, this >is >going to be one nice horse when he grows up!
Re: Wolf Teeth, Fall Coats and
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello Cheryl, I was just trying to remember how many of our Fjords have not had wolf teeth, for in our experience, more do than do not. With some thought, I know that most of the geldings yearling age or older had them, but with the fillies it was not as high a percentage. I would have to go through all the records to make an accurate count of that, however. We always have wolf teeth pulled as soon as they are discovered. Take care, Lynda and Daniel Bailey's Norwegian Fjords & Shetlands White Cloud, MI 231-689-9902 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hometown.aol.com/baileysfjords/ Standing J. J.'s Painted Bo-Jo ASPC #141052A 1998 &1999 Classic Shetland Performance Pony of the Year
Re: Wolf Teeth, Fall Coats and
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 9/4/02 8:30:23 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << So I'm wondering what the general experience has been among the several hundred fjord owners/breeders on the List? Do you check, and how often have you found your horses to have them. And do you have them removed. >> Hi Cheryl- My Rafael had wolf teeth when I got him. I had them removed at the vet's recommendation. Brigid M Wasson San Francisco Bay Area, CA http://ourfjords.freeservers.com/fjord1/Our_Fjordsx.html";>Our http://ourfjords.freeservers.com/fjord1/Our_Fjordsx.html";>Fjords http://www.ourfjords.freeservers.com/fw/Fjordings_Wesx.html";> Fjordings West / )__~ /L /L
Re: Wolf Teeth/Sedation
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Margaret, Your comments on teeth were well put! We do the same with our horses. They must be comfortable in order to do their 'jobs'! Sorry, but I won't be at Blue Earth this year! Have a good time! Bernadine Karns Nottawa Crossing Fjords Marshall, Michigan
Re: wolf teeth
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I had wolf teeth removed on my gelding at 2 yrs. Ann Sigford
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gail, I believe maybe the veterinarian confused his terminology. Wolf teeth are common in both sexes and all breeds. They are the small teeth which are usually immediately in front of, and touching, the big upper molars. It is a fairly minor procedure to remove those. Canine teeth are the ones that females usually don't have, and those are fairly easy to see (in a horse that has them) by opening the mouth and looking, on the top or the bottom, in the big space between the incisors and the molars. It's unfortunate that the name "wolf teeth" was ever used for those small teeth in the upper jaw of a horse. When you think of a wolf, you think of long fangs or canines, so many people think the canines (the ones they can see easily) are the wolf teeth. Just remember, the canines are what you'd expect: fairly sharp, usually on top and bottom, and in between the incisors and the molars, AND usually only in males. The wolf teeth are smaller, more difficult to see and feel, and are right in front of, and touching, the upper molars. They are actually a premolar. Hope that helps! Brian Jacobsen, DVM Norwegian Fjordhest Ranch Salisbury, North Carolina
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 7/19/99 22:44:23 Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << One thing I did learn from the experience is that fjords need a lower dose of sedation for this procedeure. >> Amen! Nikki had her wolf teeth pulled several weeks ago. The vet gave her a regular amount of sedative, based on her weight, and she almost went down. Most horses come out of it within a half hour. She was loopy for several hours. Hopefully she won't need sedating for anything else ever again, but if she does, I think a half dose would work. Pamela
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This message is from: Mary Thurman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "Anybody else have wolf teeth to pull in > their Fjords?? Curious > in hot and > humid MN. > > Susan" We had the wolf teeth pulled on both of our geldings while they were under anesthesia being gelded. That procedure is common practice with our horse vet. The wolf teeth "buds" are easily removed while the horse is still young (in this case, around 7 months) thus avoiding the possibility of problems with the bit later on in life when removing the teeth is a bit more of a procedure. I think it's the kindest way to do it for a gelding - he is already asleep and doesn't have any mental trauma associated with it. I have seen horses become very "uneasy" about having their mouths fussed with (ie, worming, bute, etc.) after having some dental procedure done that was painful. Having their teeth floated doesn't seem to create this problem, assuming the floating is done regularly and not in one "marathon session" after many years of neglect. Fjords generally seem more accepting of "messing with their mouths" than other breeds I've had - just as they are more accepting of most things - but occasionally you run across one that seems more sensitive. Mary === Mary Thurman Raintree Farms [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: wolf teeth
This message is from: "Karen McCarthy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (the vet) said the chances of finding 3 wolf teeth in 2 mares was phenomenal, that mares rarely have wolf teeth. Does anyone know if this is common in fjords? At least every other filly I have raised has had wolf teeth. My vet didn't think it was such a big deal. One thing I did learn from the experience is that fjords need a lower dose of sedation for this procedeure. The first mare we did it on, a 2 1/2 yr old filly, needed alot of time to come out of it, had the vet a little worried there, so from now on I tell them to ease up a bit on the dosage, and so far so good. Brian, your 2 cents? ___ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com
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This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Well, my Holsteiner mare had two and when they were pried out, returned to her morning hay. Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Monday, July 19, 1999 6:51 AM Subject: wolf teeth >This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > When I had my girls' teeth checked this spring (at ages 3 and 4), the >vet (a equine vet of good reputation) found one wolf tooth in Riba that had >to be removed and two wolf teeth in Ida that were also removed. He said the >chances of finding 3 wolf teeth in 2 mares was phenomenal, that mares rarely >have wolf teeth. Does anyone know if this is common in fjords? >
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This message is from: "carl and sarah nagel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> my yearling gelding, Sonny, has wolf teeth. our vet indicated that she will want to remove them in the next 6 months or so. some breeds have them. seems that Fjords do. that's all i know! according to the vet, they just "pop" right out. she had wanted to remove them when she gelded him, but they weren't in enough. Sarah Nagel in Northern Idaho with June and Sonny >chances of finding 3 wolf teeth in 2 mares was phenomenal, that mares rarely >have wolf teeth. Does anyone know if this is common in fjords? >
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gail, The vet recommended we check for wolf teeth on Major when we got him at the age of 2 1/2. He's now 4 and no wolf teeth have appeared. I E-mailed Carol Rivoire, who sold him to me, to ask if his wolf teeth had already been pulled but she never replied so I have no way of knowing if he had them or not. Carol, if you're out there, could you look up the records on BDF Majordomo and tell me if his wolf teeth were ever pulled?? Thanks. Anybody else have wolf teeth to pull in their Fjords?? Curious in hot and humid MN. Susan
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This message is from: Marsha Jo Hannah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > When I had my girls' teeth checked this spring (at ages 3 and 4), > the vet (a equine vet of good reputation) found one wolf tooth in Riba > that had to be removed and two wolf teeth in Ida that were also > removed. He said the chances of finding 3 wolf teeth in 2 mares was > phenomenal, that mares rarely have wolf teeth. Um, perhaps someone is confused "Wolf tooth" is the common name for a "vestigal premolar"---little tiny useless tooth, at the front of the row of "grinding teeth" (molars) on the sides of the horse's jaw. Most (but not all) horses have them, but I've not heard of it being sex-linked. Usually, they're just on one jaw (the top, as I recall---books are at home), but my female donkey had all 4 of hers! Some folks contend that wolf teeth "have to be pulled" (or they interfere with the bit); others leave them alone. Because they're poorly anchored, pulling them is relatively easy. "Canine teeth" are the "fangs" that male equines have in the middle of their bars---half way between the molars in back and the incisors in front. These are large, well-anchored teeth that don't cause problems, so are rarely pulled---unless the person doing the dentistry is ill-informed. (I once had a vet admit that, fresh out of vet school, she had pulled a gelding's canines, because the vet school dentistry course hadn't taught her the difference between wolf teeth and canines!) Very rarely will a mare have canine teeth. Marsha Jo HannahMurphy must have been a horseman-- [EMAIL PROTECTED] anything that can go wrong, will! 30 mi SSE of San Francisco, Calif. ---
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 7/19/99 8:40:20 AM Mountain Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: When I had my girls' teeth checked this spring (at ages 3 and 4), the vet (a equine vet of good reputation) found one wolf tooth in Riba that had to be removed and two wolf teeth in Ida that were also removed. He said the chances of finding 3 wolf teeth in 2 mares was phenomenal, that mares rarely have wolf teeth. Does anyone know if this is common in fjords? >> Katrina also had 2 wolf teeth removed and I know of a couple from Los Trigos also. Seems to be a fjord thing. Sue
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 7/19/99 7:40:23 Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << He said the chances of finding 3 wolf teeth in 2 mares was phenomenal, that mares rarely have wolf teeth. Does anyone know if this is common in fjords? >> I just had 2 wolf teeth pulled on Nikki. Juniper's teeth are fine. Pamela
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This message is from: "Alison Barr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Also, seems he's more likely to get his lips pinched > with loose ring bits due to the more fleshy lips. I think a lot of fjords > have this problem. how very true. I never thought of that, but if I am not carefull, he does get pinched. On a semi- related subject, does anyone know where I could get a loose ring french link in a 6 1/4 inch? by next year, the bit I ride him in will be banned from dressage due to a new rule about the width of bits, and he would work really well in that. I don't want an eggbut because he leans in them.
Re: Wolf teeth/Driving tapes
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Barry, Please let me know if/what you hear on the Wisconsin Fjord Show!! Bernadine Karns
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This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> It sounds to me like the vet removed the canine! which would be uncomon in a mare. Boy, that must have hurt! I've had a couple "experienced horsemen" tell me the canines in my geldings were wolf teeth. Seems they had mostly mares! My vet told me my gelding had wolf teeth at the age of 3 or so, if I remember right. They haven't been a problem except when my dressage instructor raised the snaffle very high in his mouth. She refused to believe he had wolf teeth (maybe becouse he didn't react violently like other horses) but I felt that there was something bothering him. His lips are sort of loose so one can pull a bit way up into the back teeth if they're not careful.. Also, seems he's more likely to get his lips pinched with loose ring bits due to the more fleshy lips. I think a lot of fjords have this problem. Jean in sunny Fairbanks, Alaska where fall colors are at their peak: Beautiful! At 02:21 PM 9/11/98 -0600, you wrote: >This message is from: Gregor Fellers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >At 05:57 PM 9/10/98 -0500, you wrote: >>This message is from: Mike & Casey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >>Just curious, were the wolf teeth on the top or bottom? >> >>I've had a discussion with a vet and a vet tech RE this very subject >>recently. One says they're only on the top, another says they don't >>come in til the horse is much older, like 10 or older. Guess those two >>mares proved THAT one wrong, eh?! >> >>Thanks - Casey >> >> >Although the Vet that removed the tooth called it a "Wolf" tooth, based >on the dicussion here, I'm not so sure. It was on the bottom right side >and the mare is about seven years old. The tooth itself was gigantic, about >1 1/4 inches long and 5/8 inches in diameter, a rather large piece of candy >corn. > > > ** Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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This message is from: Gregor Fellers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 05:57 PM 9/10/98 -0500, you wrote: >This message is from: Mike & Casey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Just curious, were the wolf teeth on the top or bottom? > >I've had a discussion with a vet and a vet tech RE this very subject >recently. One says they're only on the top, another says they don't >come in til the horse is much older, like 10 or older. Guess those two >mares proved THAT one wrong, eh?! > >Thanks - Casey > > Although the Vet that removed the tooth called it a "Wolf" tooth, based on the dicussion here, I'm not so sure. It was on the bottom right side and the mare is about seven years old. The tooth itself was gigantic, about 1 1/4 inches long and 5/8 inches in diameter, a rather large piece of candy corn.
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This message is from: Marge Littleboy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Re.:What about wolf teeth. Should they always be removed? Are they common in Fjord mares? [Marge Littleboy] We have two mares, and both had wolf teeth. Brith had a great deal of pain with her wolf teeth, causing her to not want to respond to the bit, especially backing - which had not been a problem prior to the eruption of the teeth. Once removed and area healed she was back to her usual self. Asta also developed the wolf teeth and these were removed prior to giving them a chance to cause a problem with her training. Brith's wolf teeth did not show until she turned 4 years old, whereas Asta's showed themselves prior to turning two. I am of the feeling that they should be removed, pressure from the bit can cause severe pain/irritation and it is not worth the risk of the irritation causing a problem when they are being ridden or driven. They should be looked for everytime the horse has the teeth floated, as they do not erupt at the same time frame for each animal. It is much better to have them removed when you are on a down time, this to allow that ample time for the gum to hea. I am also from the school that the mares were less likely to get the wolf teeth, but I now know that it is possible for either sex to have them. This is just from my experience, anyone else have feedback?
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This message is from: Marsha Jo Hannah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Gregor Fellers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > What about wolf teeth. Should they always be removed? Are they > common in Fjord mares? We just had one removed from our SF Amy. I was > under the impression that this was mainly a problem with the male > species. First of all, some terminology. "Wolf teeth" are also known as "vestigal premolars"---little tiny poorly-anchored teeth, directly in front of the rest of the "cheek teeth" (pre-molars and molars). Then, there are "canine teeth", which are large, well-anchored, and isolated, in the middle of the bars---the open space between the incisors and the pre-molars. Generally, only males have canines; both sexes usually have wolf teeth. Whether wolf teeth get pulled depends on the vet---many routinely pull them, to prevent problems, others only pull them if the animal seems to be fussy with the bit against them. Our Fjord gelding, Rom, still had his wolf teeth when we got him at age 5. My vet looked at them, concluded they were large and well-anchored, hence unlikely to cause a problem, and just left them alone. Interestingly, my jenny (female donkey) had wolf teeth on both her top and bottom jaws. (Usually they're only on one jaw---the bottom, as I recall.) Our vet pulled the usual pair when they came in; the other pair was somewhat smaller, and appeared several years later; we just left them alone. Marsha Jo HannahMurphy must have been a horseman-- [EMAIL PROTECTED] anything that can go wrong, will! 30 mi SSE of San Francisco, Calif. ---
