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This message is from: Vic Faeo [EMAIL PROTECTED] I just saw this question about diarrhea, and was hoping that Jean had helped out. The horse she is talking about is Einar, my 6yo Fjord gelding. And, yes, he had very similar symptoms to the horse you are asking about, Debby. He had vet tests and meds etc., just like you described, and he always checked out just fine. When I bought him and fed him what the breeders were feeding him, timothy, he began to have diarrhea for weeks, although it took about a month to start. So that made it confusing. But as soon as I changed his hay to Alaska brome, he never had diarrhea again - for a whole year. The next spring when local brome was no longer availalbe, I started giving him Washington orchard grass and still no diarrhea at all. But then I took him to a friend's stable for a month this June for training. And even though he was still eating my orchard frass hay he began to get diarrhea again. He was getting a little timothy from the horse in the next paddock, tho, and his trainer was scareing him, too, a little, I think, so I think it was mostly just stress. As soon as I got him home in July (and of course still feed him either orchard or brome) he has been completely fine again. Completely. I did give him a month of Fast Track when I first bought him 1.5 years ago, and while I was swithing him to brome. I did that just to make sure his gut had all that it needed. But I've never given it to him again. So it sounds like your gelding might just need a new hay. And prehaps less stress too? Just as an aside - I use clicker training when I work with Einar myself, and it works like magic! I think horses prefer a yes communication to a no communication. It doesn't cause stress or confusion, and they absolutely love it. I have both of Alexandra's main books. Vic This message is from: Jean Ernest [EMAIL PROTECTED] My friends had a Fjord they raised, had loose stool problems from babyhood, they thought the mare's milk was too rich, then thought it was worms, finally decided it was the Timothy hay: on Brome hay, no problem, but with Timothy he got loose stools again, even with his new owner, when she got a supply of Timothy hay, he got loose stools again. Catch up on fall's hot new shows on Yahoo! TV. Watch previews, get listings, and more! http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/3658 The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
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This message is from: Tanya Manser [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have a Fjord that scours when fed lower fibre forage (like grass or rich haylage). In fact about two weeks ago she had a nasty bout of Azoturia which we are attributing to a particular big bale of haylage. I have found that by increasing the dry matter fibre she gets really helps the situation. Over here in the UK we have a chaff called Hi-Fi Lite http://www.dengie.com/pages/products/fibre-feed/hi-fi-lite.php . It is dried alfalfa/lucerne and straw, 40% fibre and very low sugar - presumably you have something similar there? I have found that feeding her significant quantities of this keeps enough fibre in her diet to get her gut working healthily. Good luck with your Fjord! The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] There is another good product out there for horses and dogs, Diarsynal. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
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This message is from: Big Horn Forge Daniel Nauman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Patti Jo, First, I am not a Vet OR a Doctor, but I just read of this same condition in a person. Believe it or not, it was constipation! The diarrhea was an overflow (around the hard stool in the intestine). The person was put on laxatives until the stool was passed. (About a week) A lot of water had to be consumed also. Bowel movements returned to normal after that. Have a Vet thoroughly examine this horse before doing anything. The hard spot on his left side gives me pause. Sounds like an impaction. We've all had our bouts with colic. Please let us all know what the ailment was, and how the horse is doing. Good Luck. Toni The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Patti Jo - Just of the top of my head...Question ? Is the hay they are feeding from the same field, supplier and is it consistent in quality? What about the water supply? Some horses are more sensitive to feed change than others... he just may be one of them. We have one here that gets soft if we pull him from pasture and stall him and he only gets hay verses pasture and hay combination. It will clear up after a week or so... He also will get soft when we go from one field of hay cutting to another... even though the hay quality is the same (protein counts), the slight difference in texture can set him off. Great question... I cannot wait to see what others may think. Catherine Lassesen Hestehaven - The Horse Garden Hundehaven - The Dog Heaven www.hestehaven.com / [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1-541-825-3027 Southern Oregon The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
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This message is from: Gail Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] I think colon problems could be like that. I had a horse with right dorsal colitis. The solution was pellets, fed eight times a day, in small quantity. My neighbor has a horse they suspect has colon ulcers. He is ouchy around his flank area, crabby, and moves poorly. Gail Anyone ever have anything like this go on with a horse? Rue, is a TOTAL trooper. Really a neat neat horse. Currently he is on probiotic and pasture. It's just very frustrating because if he were allergic to something in his feed, wouldn't it be daily? Bacterial, all the med's he had would have cleared that up. Did a worm test and he passed, so it's not that. Any help would be appreciated. Patti Jo Walter www.franciscreekfjords.com Please note NEW email address [EMAIL PROTECTED] The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello I often work with race horse from the track and they have a lot intestinal up sets. Some things work on one horse and will not work on another. Sometimes it is just trial and error to get their diet right and of course the race horses have to eat so much grain that it can be impossible to get them ok till they come off it. A product called gastro guard is very good at helping ulcers heal. It is expensive, but well worth it. A week on it can be enough to help heal. All probiotics are not equal as well.You just need to try different types till you find the best one for your horse.I have one horse that can only eat timothy hay. Feed him any different kind of grass and his stomach becomes very volatile.He responds well to a pro biotic call fast track. Does not do as well on probias or several of the other varieties.Ye Sac is one that I have had good success with in older horses that get colicky. Also Succeed is a very good one, but the horse that does well on fast track does not do well on Succeed? Good luck just keep trying and you will find the right combination! Bonnie Morris ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
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This message is from: Karen McCarthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Patti Jo, What a frustrating thing with this gelding! I have a 5 mo. old filly who just got over a weird bout of colitis 2 weeks ago. No temp, gums normal, eating, drinking + nursing, she just had a leaky hiney w/ no solid poops and a bloated belly. Aside from small doses of Banamine and ulcer meds, and the active yogurt + pedialyte blend, we gave her something called Bio Sponge (see link). It worked! The active ing. are suspended in a kaolin base, so it looks like you are putting 60cc's of clay in their mouth.Cleared up the ooze. My vet thought it was a case of salmonella, probably picked up when she ate some of her dam's poop, or stuff that is in the soil.. I can't rule out worms either with this baby, as we have moved onto a property that had not been kept up over the past 5 years, and there has been livestock on here intensively for the past 100+ years. One other product that I would use if my horse had a chronic history of scours, is 4 Life Transfer factor Performance + Show. I have posted about it before on this list, as I used it on a pregnant mare that had a very severe dryland distemper/pigeon fever infection and was severely debilitated. It is a bacterial infection caused by a corynebacterium pseudotuberculosis bacteria. (I actually lost a foal in Calif. to this crud, as her infections + abscesses were all internal.) The Transfer factor was recommended to me by a vet in Galt, Ca. who is a big racing TB vet and deals w/ allot of horses that have immune + respiratory problems. The stuff is $$ but is worth every penny. Since were talking about scours + colitis, on a food note, we grow excellent hay here in the central Oregon area, allot of the fancy Orchard Grass hay is shipped to Kentucky, etc. but I like the kentucky bluegrass straw hay that is a by-product of the grass seed industry here. We can get a ton of it for $70-$75 and it is just fine, bright, clean grass that seems like it was tailor- made for the airferns aka Fjords. I can give each horse 2-3 flakes and they stay busy on it most of the night. They also get some limited turnout on pasture. Here is the Bio Sponge link: http://platinumperformance.com/animal/equine/products/productcategories/product.cfm?category_id=162 Hope some of this info will be of help. Good luck! Karen in Madras, Or. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
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This message is from: Jeanne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Good suggestion, Karen, about the BioSponge. Last week one of my fjord's came down with the exact same symptoms. Really runny manure, no fever, gut sounds, normal heart rate, normal colored gums... just really runny manure. My vet came, tubed her with charcoal, shot of banemine and one tube of that biosponge. We've got her on psyllium(sp?!) and the FastTrack probiotic now, and she appears completely normal. Very scary, because my vet now thinks it was a sand colic. So, because of everything that was given to Hanne, I really can't say, for sure, what exactly cleared her up... but she's good now. You can bet I have examined every pile of manure and every time she's laid down in the past two weeks. A very bad feeling, once you have a horse that's been sick. They say sand colic this time of year because, their fat, we cut back on their hay, they're board, so they vacuum every single teeny, weeny piece of whatever and don't drink like they should. Good luck, Patti, finding a resolution to the problem with the gelding. Jeanne - Berthoud, Fall is finally here! The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
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This message is from: ruth bushnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] This message is from: Dave and Patti Walter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ok, got a question for the list. Not the best topic, butHe developed diarrhea while he was here. We tried several things Anyone ever have anything like this go on with a horse? Any help would be appreciated. Patti Jo Walter I SEE a few Internet sites that deal with this topic.. http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20061211223850AA9jTaE http://ctba.net/01magazine/jul01/hthomas.pdf http://www.horses-and-horse-information.com/articles/0299gastrogrief.shtml the first thing that came to my mind was moldy hay, which can make a horse deathly sick, but if he's changed places it's not likely. best of luck in sorting this out. Ruthie, nw mt US The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
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This message is from: Jean Ernest [EMAIL PROTECTED] My friends had a Fjord they raised, had loose stool problems from babyhood, they thought the mare's milk was too rich, then thought it was worms, finally decided it was the Timothy hay: on Brome hay, no problem, but with Timothy he got loose stools again, even with his new owner, when she got a supply of Timothy hay, he got loose stools again. Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, partly cloudy 43 degrees. Winter is right around the corner! A Just of the top of my head...Question ? Is the hay they are feeding from the same field, supplier and is it consistent in quality? What about the water supply? The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Try molasses in their water and they will always consume enough. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] let's all try for a more natural life style for our horses and there would be way less colic and intestinal problems. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
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This message is from: Debbie LeBreton [EMAIL PROTECTED] I just read your info and I have a 11 year old fjord that has a destemper discharge from her nose. She has trouble breathing and the hay on the Island seems hard on her. I have her on pasture now but that hasn't taken her problem away. I try to exercise her every day but some days she has no energy. I still line drive her plus ride her for about half a hour a day or try to. Just trotting for 5 minutes makes her out of breath. If I keep her on medicine then she gets some energy. I am struggling with this problem. She also seems to have a weak leg problem. My vet checks her all the time and just tells me that it she seems okay. He blames the weakness on rocks. I have shoes on her all the time. The people that owned her before told me that she was a healthy pony. She is a very special pony and if you or the list of others know what to try I would greatly appreciate it. I do not know how to pass this out to the others so if you could please help me and Fergie out we would both apprecate this vey much. Thank you very much. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: RE: question for the list Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 20:24:02 + This message is from: Karen McCarthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Patti Jo, What a frustrating thing with this gelding! I have a 5 mo. old filly who just got over a weird bout of colitis 2 weeks ago. No temp, gums normal, eating, drinking + nursing, she just had a leaky hiney w/ no solid poops and a bloated belly. Aside from small doses of Banamine and ulcer meds, and the active yogurt + pedialyte blend, we gave her something called Bio Sponge (see link). It worked! The active ing. are suspended in a kaolin base, so it looks like you are putting 60cc's of clay in their mouth.Cleared up the ooze. My vet thought it was a case of salmonella, probably picked up when she ate some of her dam's poop, or stuff that is in the soil.. I can't rule out worms either with this baby, as we have moved onto a property that had not been kept up over the past 5 years, and there has been livestock on here intensively for the past 100+ years. One other product that I would use if my horse had a chronic history of scours, is 4 Life Transfer factor Performance + Show. I have posted about it before on this list, as I used it on a pregnant mare that had a very severe dryland distemper/pigeon fever infection and was severely debilitated. It is a bacterial infection caused by a corynebacterium pseudotuberculosis bacteria. (I actually lost a foal in Calif. to this crud, as her infections + abscesses were all internal.) The Transfer factor was recommended to me by a vet in Galt, Ca. who is a big racing TB vet and deals w/ allot of horses that have immune + respiratory problems. The stuff is $$ but is worth every penny. Since were talking about scours + colitis, on a food note, we grow excellent hay here in the central Oregon area, allot of the fancy Orchard Grass hay is shipped to Kentucky, etc. but I like the kentucky bluegrass straw hay that is a by-product of the grass seed industry here. We can get a ton of it for $70-$75 and it is just fine, bright, clean grass that seems like it was tailor- made for the airferns aka Fjords. I can give each horse 2-3 flakes and they stay busy on it most of the night. They also get some limited turnout on pasture. Here is the Bio Sponge link: http://platinumperformance.com/animal/equine/products/productcategories/produ ct.cfm?category_id=162 Hope some of this info will be of help. Good luck! Karen in Madras, Or. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw _ News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get it now! http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
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This message is from: Gail Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Debbie LeBreton Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 8:56 PM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: RE: question for the list This message is from: Debbie LeBreton [EMAIL PROTECTED] I just read your info and I have a 11 year old fjord that has a destemper discharge from her nose. She has trouble breathing and the hay on the Island seems hard on her. Where are you? Gail The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
