Fwd: FW: Y2K Backup System
This message is from: Gregor Fellers [EMAIL PROTECTED] This about sums it up. While I believe we will be fully Y2K compliant by January 1, 2000, we obviously need to make some preparations in case unexpected challenges impair our ability to meet the needs of our clients. Enclosed are the instructions for the use of the Y2K Backup System device designed to meet short time emergency needs in case of a computer operations failure, or operational delay. This device is the company's Primary Emergency Network Computer Interface Liaison device (P.E.N.C.I.L.). I have field tested it extensively, including certification testing, as well as volume and stress testing. Properly maintained, the device meets all the requirements for coding and data input. Prior to use, the (P.E.N.C.I.L.) will require preparation and testing. Tools and supplies required will be: A sharpened knife or grinding device; and a supply of computer paper (with or without holes). Gripping the device firmly in your hand, proceed to scrape or grind the wooded end until it has a cone-like appearance. The dark core area must be exposed to properly function. (Left-handed employees should read this sentence backwards, and then go to your supervisor for assistance.) Place a single sheet of computer paper on a smooth, hard surface. Take the backup device, place the sharpened point against the paper, and pull it across the paper. If properly done, this will input a single line. CAUTION: Excessive force may damage components of the device or damage the data reception device. If either the P.E.N.C.I.L. or the paper are damaged, go back to the preparation instructions above. Proper use of the device will require data simulation input by the operator. Placing the device against the computer page forming symbols as closely resembling the computer lettering system you normally use. At the completion of each of the simulated letters, lift the device off the page, move it slightly to the right, replace it against the page, and form the next symbol. This may appear tedious, and somewhat redundant, but, with practice, you should be able to increase your speed and accuracy. The P.E.N.C.I.L. is equipped with a manual deletion device. The device is located on the reverse end of the P.E.N.C.I.L. Error deletions operate similarly to the backspace key on your computer. Simply place the device against the erroneous data, and pull it backwards over the letters. This should remove the error, and enable you to resume data entries. CAUTION: Excessive force may damage the data deletion device. Insufficient force, however, may result in less than acceptable deletion, and may require re-initialization of action as above. This device is designed with user maintenance in mind. However, if support is required, you can still call technical support at (800)-YOU-DUMMY.
Re: Y2K and your PC
This message is from: Mike May, Registrar NFHR [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 06:42 PM 12/30/99 -0500, you wrote: This message is from: william poe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi List, I'm not sure if this will make a difference in your computer for Y2K, but I checked mine and it failed the short test. I'm passing along this info that was sent to me. Maybe someone on the list knows if this does make a difference. I did change mine just in case! That one is a HOAX Bill. That short date is just what is being displayed by Windows. Here is a link to the Symantec Web Site for further information on this Hoax. http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/y2k.windows.hoax.html May the New Year bring to pass all your hopes and dreams. And a HAPPY NEW YEAR to you too! Mike === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Registrar Voice 716-872-4114 FAX 716-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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This message is from: Mike May, Registrar NFHR [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 04:08 PM 12/30/99 -0800, you wrote: This message is from: Jean Gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Should we make the correction before midnight or after? Thanks for this tip. Jean It won't matter Jean. That is a Hoax. Mike === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Registrar Voice 716-872-4114 FAX 716-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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This message is from: Jean Gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks Fred. Jean Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of The Colonel's Daughter Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Barnes Noble Book Stores
RE: Y2K and your PC
This message is from: Frederick J. (Fred) Pack [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear friends, this short test is a hoax being spread around. My son is a VP for Microsoft and he put me in touch with some gurus. The gurus pointed me to a Microsoft web page that explained the non existent problem. Basically it said: This change of short date to long date affects nothing more than the display function and has nothing to do with how the computer will, or will not, operate. The internal functions of Windows are still rolling over to the year 2000. If you want it to say 2000, instead of 00then change the display. Either way, the computer is still functioning properly. IT IS NOT REALLY NECESSARY TO CHANGE THE DIPLAY. All the best, and Happy New Year from: Fred and Lois Pack Pack's Peak Stables Wilkeson, WA USA Sorry to re-send the entire forwarded message, but thought the above might make better sense. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of william poe Sent: Thursday, December 30, 1999 3:43 PM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Y2K and your PC This message is from: william poe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi List, I'm not sure if this will make a difference in your computer for Y2K, but I checked mine and it failed the short test. I'm passing along this info that was sent to me. Maybe someone on the list knows if this does make a difference. I did change mine just in case! After running this quick little test, much to my surprise, I learned that my computer would have failed on 01-01-2000 due to a computer clock glitch. Fortunately, a quick fix is provided, should your computer fail the test. I submit the following for your consideration: TEST Double click on My Computer. Double click on Control Panel. Double click on Regional Settings icon. Click on the Date tab at the top of the page. Where it says, Short Date Sample, look and see if it shows a two digit year. Of course it does. That's the default setting for Windows 95, Windows 98 and NT. This date RIGHT HERE is the date that feeds application software and WILL NOT rollover in the year 2000. It will roll over to 00. Click on the button across from Short Date Style and select the option that shows, mm/dd/. (Be sure your selection has four Y's showing, not two) Then click on Apply and then click on OK at the bottom. Easy enough to fix. However, every single installation of Windows worldwide is defaulted to fail Y2K rollover. Please feel free to pass this on to your friends and associates. May the New Year bring to pass all your hopes and dreams. Bill and Kathy Poe East Fork Fjords Lynchburg, Ohio Bill and Kathy Poe East Fork Fjords Lynchburg, Ohio
Y2K and your PC
This message is from: william poe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi List, I'm not sure if this will make a difference in your computer for Y2K, but I checked mine and it failed the short test. I'm passing along this info that was sent to me. Maybe someone on the list knows if this does make a difference. I did change mine just in case! After running this quick little test, much to my surprise, I learned that my computer would have failed on 01-01-2000 due to a computer clock glitch. Fortunately, a quick fix is provided, should your computer fail the test. I submit the following for your consideration: TEST Double click on My Computer. Double click on Control Panel. Double click on Regional Settings icon. Click on the Date tab at the top of the page. Where it says, Short Date Sample, look and see if it shows a two digit year. Of course it does. That's the default setting for Windows 95, Windows 98 and NT. This date RIGHT HERE is the date that feeds application software and WILL NOT rollover in the year 2000. It will roll over to 00. Click on the button across from Short Date Style and select the option that shows, mm/dd/. (Be sure your selection has four Y's showing, not two) Then click on Apply and then click on OK at the bottom. Easy enough to fix. However, every single installation of Windows worldwide is defaulted to fail Y2K rollover. Please feel free to pass this on to your friends and associates. May the New Year bring to pass all your hopes and dreams. Bill and Kathy Poe East Fork Fjords Lynchburg, Ohio Bill and Kathy Poe East Fork Fjords Lynchburg, Ohio
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This message is from: carl and sarah [EMAIL PROTECTED] Here's a thought for everyone. If Y2K turns out to be a pretty nasty situation, and I have mixed thoughts on that--not enough info I guess, what are you guys doing to prepare for it when it comes to having things on hand for the horses? What kind of things would you suggest having? Best Misha We have stocked up on some basics - extra wormer (for one year), basic medical supplies (just look in your store room - bandages, betadine, wound dressing, etc.), you could talk to your vet about any basic medicines you might need and put up an extra store of grain using large barrels which are moisture and rodent proof. We also plan for some extra hay to be stored this year. We are preparing our own family, as well as our horses, dogs, cats, chickens, rabbits, etc. It's taking up some room, but it's stuff we will use anyway -- no matter what happens, we won't be doing much shopping next year!!! But it's a great thing to be thinking about and DOING something about now! Sarah Nagel in Idaho with June and Sonny :-)
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This message is from: Frederick J. (Fred) Pack [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear Mike and all, Hallie Sanders web sit is now http://www.fjordhorses.com/ BTW, we are still looking for the registration on our filly Hiejenta we sent in some time ago. Regards to all, Fred Pack Pack's Peak Stables Wilkeson, WA USA [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike May Sent: Friday, November 13, 1998 5:15 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: Welcome!, Advertising, Y2K, Recipe PETS LINK This message is from: Mike May [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 09:23 PM 11/12/98 -0500, you wrote: This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 11/12/98 14:40:51 Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Pam, who is Hallie Sanders? And where? Her web site is at www.plix.com/~stillmeadows == Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Registrar Webster, NY, USA (Suburb of Rochester) Voice 716-872-4114 FAX 716-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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This message is from: Mike May [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 02:42 PM 11/13/98 -0800, you wrote: This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (jean gayle) Mike, just back from lunch with two amazing women. Really a treat to hear young women today discussing how they have created sucessful and lucrative careers. But I am not a sexist. Thank you so much for the addresses and help. Jean No problem Jean, The 2 women in my house have both said that YOU are what they want to be when they grow up! I think you are pretty amazing with the things you do and have done. Good luck in finding another Fjord. I wish I had more tips for you on trained horses but people do seem to hang on to them once they are well trained. Mike == Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Registrar Webster, NY, USA (Suburb of Rochester) Voice 716-872-4114 FAX 716-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (jean gayle) Mike, just back from lunch with two amazing women. Really a treat to hear young women today discussing how they have created sucessful and lucrative careers. But I am not a sexist. Thank you so much for the addresses and help. Jean This message is from: Mike May [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 11:37 PM 11/12/98 -0800, you wrote: This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (jean gayle) Hate to be a pest but where is the nfhr board? Thanks, Jean http://www.nfhr.com You should be able to just click on the link above and go right to it. Mike == Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Registrar Webster, NY, USA (Suburb of Rochester) Voice 716-872-4114 FAX 716-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Jean Gayle --- A Subscriber at Techline
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This message is from: Mike May [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 08:47 PM 11/12/98 -0700, you wrote: This message is from: Starfire Farm [EMAIL PROTECTED] VERY funny Mike. Thank you! No problem. ;-)
Re: Y2K
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi everybody, I've been away for a week at a meeting in Las Vegas (where veryone will be REALLY messed up if the power goes out given the acres of neon :o]) and am just catching up with 184 messages, so apologize if somene has commented already on my point here. Not to Poo-poo concern over Y2, but one simple way to handle things for your personal computer is to set your clock to simulate the appoach of Jan.1,2000, and see what happens. Before you do, you may want to make a backup copy of the files that are your operating system to start your computer from a disk drive if it will not start from the hard drive (this is a good idea in general snce hard drives (mechanical devices after all) can, and do, fail). As I understand it, there are several levels of computer operation and all can be affected. The first place to statrt a Y2K check is the BIOS (basic input/output system). This is found on a chip attaced to the mother board. To identify if you machine is in complaince, eithe id the manufacture and version of the BIOS you have and contact the manufacturer to see if it is compliance, OR purchase a Y2K software testing package such as Check2000 or YMARK2000. The next thing to check on is the Operating System (unless you are using Windows 98 (Yes, there is a reason to upgrade OS, and its not just to make Bill Gates richer) or a Macintosh (which have had compliant BIOS and OS since 1984. For other OS, it is possible to download a patch from vendor webpages (for example, Windows 95 requires a patch WIN95Y2.EXE available from microsoft.com) The next level to check for compliance is any applications you are suing. Check200 will scan applications and generate a list of possible errors so that you can contact the vendor for help on how to patch them. Other problems are possible at the Data Level (i.e., in spreadsheets, macros, and automated functions), although these will only cause bad data or reports, rather than systems failures. The kinds of problems Brian and others were discussion are referred to as the Dependency Level, that is, place on which you rely, but over which you have no control (e.g., will your shipping company be up and running, etc.?). In these cases, it may be worth a call to them to see what they are doing to ensure compliance. I am told that most computers will work correctly during the date change over if left powered-up during the change. If it fails, it will be at the next boot after 1/1/2000. I have also been told that one way to handle the change is to reset the clock to an earlier year. I remain hopeful that people in change of such things as nuke plants, missile silos, etc. will at least be able to do something such as that. Irrespective of what other preparations one might make, it seems to be a good idea to have a very current statement from your bank, credit card company, utility supplier, persons who owe you money, just prior to the changeover in the event that things really do get messed up.
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This message is from: Starfire Farm [EMAIL PROTECTED] VERY funny Mike. Thank you!
Y2K
This message is from: Mike May [EMAIL PROTECTED] I know the topic is Fjords but you have to check this out after the recent discussion of the Y2K problem. Wait for it to complete. Http://www.refurl.com/y2k_bug.gif Mike
Re: Welcome!, Advertising, Y2K, Recipe PETS LINK
This message is from: Mike May [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 11:37 PM 11/12/98 -0800, you wrote: This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (jean gayle) Hate to be a pest but where is the nfhr board? Thanks, Jean http://www.nfhr.com You should be able to just click on the link above and go right to it. Mike == Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Registrar Webster, NY, USA (Suburb of Rochester) Voice 716-872-4114 FAX 716-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Welcome!, Advertising, Y2K, Recipe PETS LINK
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (jean gayle) Hate to be a pest but where is the nfhr board? Thanks, Jean This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 11/12/98 14:40:51 Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Pam, who is Hallie Sanders? And where? Hallie is a lady in North Eastern Washington who has some really nice horses. We bought Nikki from her last May. She's got a website and it's usually on my favorite places list, so I could normally send you her web address. But I've just updated my AOL account, and have yet to transfer my Favorite Places list over. However, if you look up Stillmeadows Ranch on the NFHR board, you can get to her website. Also, I think I know somebody who is selling a lovely mare that drives and rides, this person IS on this list, and I'm hoping she'll talk to you about her. She's a cute mare. And local too. Pamela Knowing between all of us on this list we can come up with a nice horse for you g Jean Gayle --- A Subscriber at Techline
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 11/12/98 14:40:51 Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Pam, who is Hallie Sanders? And where? Hallie is a lady in North Eastern Washington who has some really nice horses. We bought Nikki from her last May. She's got a website and it's usually on my favorite places list, so I could normally send you her web address. But I've just updated my AOL account, and have yet to transfer my Favorite Places list over. However, if you look up Stillmeadows Ranch on the NFHR board, you can get to her website. Also, I think I know somebody who is selling a lovely mare that drives and rides, this person IS on this list, and I'm hoping she'll talk to you about her. She's a cute mare. And local too. Pamela Knowing between all of us on this list we can come up with a nice horse for you g
Re: Welcome!, Advertising, Y2K, Recipe PETS LINK
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (jean gayle) Pam, who is Hallie Sanders? And where? I followed up on the advertisemnet for dressage trained mare in San Francisco and it is a three Quarters fjord He also had just sold for $2500 (he lives in a remote area and had started at 4500 but many calls and no one came ) a purebred gelding from Canada who was not registered. Long story. Jean This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 11/12/98 11:32:41 Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I logged on here to see who had horses available and would hope that sellers and buyers could come together. There's also Hallie Sanders in Washington who (I believe) still has a horse or two available. Also a couple others have nicely trained mares Pamela Jean Gayle --- A Subscriber at Techline
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 11/12/98 11:32:41 Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I logged on here to see who had horses available and would hope that sellers and buyers could come together. There's also Hallie Sanders in Washington who (I believe) still has a horse or two available. Also a couple others have nicely trained mares Pamela
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (jean gayle) Thank you Lisa Pederson for the kind remarks about over 70 riders. Since I lost my little Fjord I am quickly becoming old and ancient. The only cure will be finding the right replacement and getting back on a horse. I logged on here to see who had horses available and would hope that sellers and buyers could come together. carol made a very nice boy available to me, and she is certainly honest and knowledgeable. I have yet to decide on which horse. Meantime, I am learning many new things about the fjörd and enjoying this channel. Jean Jean Gayle --- A Subscriber at Techline
Re: Welcome!, Advertising, Y2K, Recipe PETS LINK
This message is from: Sessoms [EMAIL PROTECTED] Maybe we should just say Fillies for sale, or Horse, cart and harness for sale, etc. If I see the word advertising in my e-mailbox ... I hate junk mail and I'm awfully quick to delete without looking. Even though I know how retrieve things from the trash, if the contents are not clear it I might miss it altogether.:-( Meredith Sessoms Soddy-Daisy, Tennessee, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ Dorina ~ NFR Aagot .~:~. Fjords ~ Caper ~ Carly ~ Crickett .~:~. Labradors
Re:Welcome!, Advertising, Y2K, Recipe PETS LINK
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello List! Welcome to all the new listers, its so nice to see this forum expand like it has. To Jean Gail, esp. I have a question for you can I be YOU when I grow up? 73, dressage rider, author, antique collector, real estate type, ect. Makes me think that there is horse life after 70 ! Welcome to you all! I have an opinion on the Blatient Advertising thing. I personally like reading ALL the posts from the listers, because it shows the different ideas, and thought's from everyone who happen to own a Fjord or two. I have always enjoyed Carol's spirited thought's toward the betterment of the registery and the overall breed standard. While I do not always agree with every suggestion she has, I defer to her years of Fjord involvment. Most of all I like to read her opinion's. If people not interested in open chatting one night a week, they can forward through my BLATIENT BUGGING to join us on PetsandVets. ( By the way it is on the net on Sun. night 9:00 Eastern time, horse room # 1. ) See what I mean? I like reading Pam's love for her son who is a special needs child riding a Fjord. I like reading Joels words and opinions, with the sharp wit...TOOT! I like reading what people from Europe have to say about their weekends, and WHY is that any more important than Carols Fjords for sale? It is Steve's list and will respect any rules and restrictions he imposes on us to help keep order. I just ask him to thoughtfully consider the fact that we ALL have our own reasons for posting here and everyone has a finger, a mouse, and the ability to use both. I think that the once monthly, and the Subject line to contain, ADVERTISING heading were the best ideas. Now for my last bit for tonight. I have seen what the YK2 scare has produced, here firsthand, because being a CPR and FIRST AID Instructor for the American Heart Asso. they have almost doubled the classes, as people prepare for the meltdown. My friend who has a side business of mail order earthquake prepardness kits, has had to hire 5 people to fill kits just to keep up with orders from the midwest, ect. In order to help my fellow listers prepare for the Jan. 1 deadline, I have included a short note of what I see as important as we all prepare for this day. 1. One very large pot 2. One ladle Add to this slowly as it comes to a boil : Anxiety, worry, doubt, ( put a few extra sprinkles of this in... ) headaches, panic, hysteria, ( Shades of Orsen Well's ) BLATIENT ENTREPRENEUR's, soothsayers, psychic hotlines, Wizzard Of Oz.and one bay leaf. Stir well. KEEP AT A SIMMER for at least one year. Serve with run on banks, buried treasure, survivalist handbook A HREF=http://www.petsandvets.com/index.html;PETS AND VETS/A , and Small Farmers Journal ( I like that one personally ) Feeds thousands.Bon Appitite' ! Lisa Pedersen
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This message is from: Dolph Courchaine [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi all, The list administrator asked me to send another message to make sure my account works correctly. So here it is. I also thought I would put in my 2 cents on the Y2k issue since I too am a computer person and have to live it on a daily basis. I currently sit on a steering committee for the University of Michigan's Health System to oversee all year2000 efforts. I also participate on another list server that is dedicated to Year2000 issues in health care. Our institution will be spending tens of millions of dollars to test and fix anything that has a direct impact on patient care or business operations. My opinions are as follows. It's not dooms day but it shouldn't be ignored. It probably will not be as big of a problem as some say because of all the work that is being done to fix these systems. So the 'not to worry' camp will get to say 'see I was right' it wasn't a problem. When in fact it is the 'we are worried' camp that was responsible for worrying and fixing the problems. We often spend too much time talking about whether it is a problem or not. The technical people argued for a long time whether it was a problem. Now the smart ones are going back and making sure things do work. There are some minimal things that can be done and should be done. The bigger your operation the more you should plan for contingencies. Feeding and care of 5 horses is definitely easier than 15 or 50 horses. Have a secondary source of water and electricity. This is always helpful regardless. We have lost electricity twice now in Michigan for more than 48 hours. Rural areas will always seem to be the last area in priority when attemting to restore power. We have always had a good stock pile of food. I think we could live about a month on what's in the house. I will probably take out our monthly budget of spending money in cash instead of relying on the debit card. Although I believe checks will still be good. A good supply of regularly used vet supplies should also be on hand. Although I don't know what this should be. Maybe Dr. Jacobsen can help us here. Those are my thoughts. Thanks Dolph Courchaine ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) or ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) either one works -- From: Steve McIlree To: dolphc Subject: FjordHorse Subscription Date: Wednesday, November 11, 1998 8:23AM Dolph-- I think that your FjordHorse subscription is OK now. Why don't you send a short note to the list so we can be sure? Steve McIlree Cynthia Madden -- Pferd, Keyah, Skipper, Tank -- Omaha, Nebraska, USA
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This message is from: Alison Barr [EMAIL PROTECTED] I think the funniest thing about the Y2k problem is that the arts and graphics industry will be the least affected, as allot of them use Macs and macs (according to dad, who should know) never had the problem in the first place. Imagine, in the year 2000, everyone is in trouble, yet we still get adds: )
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This message is from: Larson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Of course, there's still a small possibility that this time the doomsayers could be right. As the old saying goes, even a stopped clock is right twice a day Marsha Jo, I really am impressed with yours and Pamela's preparedness! And I have to agree with all the realists, alarmists and optomists. Actually, if you review the list, we are all agreeing on one thing here: whether the domesday sayers are right or not, whether the computer experts are right or not, whether the financial wizards are right or not, the reaction of the populace just prior to 01-01-2000 can cause a major disruption all by itself. For this reason as well as normal issues such as blizzards, hurricanes, tornadoes, earthquakes, etc., we seem to all agree to some form and degree of preparedness for our families and our animals.
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 11/9/98 20:59:50 Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Like Steve, I suspect there will be a few Y2K glitches, which will be quickly ironed out or worked around. That's what us programmers do for a living! I'm more with Brian on this one. I've been reading, my husband (as said before) has worked with computer chips/semiconductors/programming, etc. etc. for years and has some expertise. Me? I just use the computer. But enough information has been seeping in that I think it is folly to NOT be prepared. I hope you are right, and nothing major will happen, but I'm not convinced. Nobody really knows what will happen, and we won't really know till 1-1-00. And then either everybody will be laughing at those who were concerned, or it will be too late to do anything about it. To me, since we don't know what will happen, it just makes good sense to be prepared. And yes, I've heard chicken little from my mother. But I had a lot more time to spend talking with her than I have to discuss it on the fjord list g. She now trusts that I have her best interests at heart, and will be staying with us 1-1-00. God, I hope she has a good laugh at my expense! At the least, she'll get to meet my new horses and see the property we just bought. Pamela
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This message is from: Larson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brian, I sent in some preparedness suggestions some of us have implemented. As regards the potential for problems, I do believe the possibility is both real and far reaching. How many folks do you know who use credit cards, debit cards, write checks, live from payday to payday? Enough said on that. You obviously get the picture. Consider the Military: All their computers except for those installed in recent years are the old Cobal and Fortran language versions; even those guarding our Dew-Line. Great - January 1, 2000 at 12:00:01 AM and the screen goes blank How current is the computer language at the Pentagon? How does Depositor Insurance work when the Federal Branch doesn't? Some communities are supported in large part by military and/or Federal employee family spending. The government can't pay its employees...they report to work anyway cause the military owns them...there is no pay to spend in the community... The filter- down effect. The average person has no idea how to survive without running water and city electric. Or without plastic cards. Have you tried to pay for a motel room with cash lately? Or try paying your mortgage payment that way. You'll get some seriously funny looks. Speaking of the power-grid, look what happens in New York city during a winter brownout. People will surely panic the first time they flip the light switch and nothing happens. Even those who live rurally and rely on community and private wells: do they power those well pumps from a city or community power grid? Get the hand pumps and windlasses out folks... Anyone remember the gasoline shortages and waiting in line for an hour or more just to buy gasoline on the days you were allowed to? How quickly we forget. I'm not an alarmist. Really, really, really I'm not! I've just lived long enough to know better than to trust in the Federal Government to insure our collective well-being and safety. For those of you with an interest in Eschatology, research the Bible. For those of you who don't, look back at history. They will both tell you the same thing. Just think, Brian... If no one else believes in preparing for this possible senario, you and I might have the only existing Fjords in the year 2001 :-) For those of you who are interested in researching the experts' advice and thoughts on Y2K, there are numerous websites dedicated soley to information and/or preparedness. I can share them with you privately and I sure Brian would, too.
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This message is from: Marsha Jo Hannah [EMAIL PROTECTED] Steve McIlree [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been in the computer business long enough to have created many of the programs that are going to break. My opinion is that the morning of January 1, 2000 will dawn without any major disruption. Those who would have you believe otherwise are those who always have fun scaring themselves with tales of the coming apocalypse or economic collapse. Or they are folks who are cutting themselves a fat hog by consulting. Yes there will be minor problems, but nothing that will bring any kind of catastrophic collapse of our modern social order. I'd say that about sums it up! Most of these media folks obviously don't know the difference between computer hardware (which just counts seconds from some initial date, and won't notice the Y2K rollover), vs computer databases (which may save date info in human-readable form that looks like MM/DD/YY), vs computer software (which may or may not convert properly between the two formats). But, yes, some of the loudest of the doom-sayers have been finding reasons to warn folks to head for the hills, buy silver, and lay in 6 months of food for at least 2 decades (several different scenarios that never happened)--- i.e. they've been doing the Chicken Little (the sky is falling!) routine for quite some time! The biggest danger this time is that enough people will believe them to cause runs on banks, grocery stores, etc. Sort of the ultimate virus warning hoax Like Steve, I suspect there will be a few Y2K glitches, which will be quickly ironed out or worked around. That's what us programmers do for a living! However, preparedness never hurts. We're in earthquake country, with The Big One predicted for sometime in the next 30 years. We're also in mudslide country---our driveway has been known to be impassible for weeks or months. And, the winter storms knock out our power for several days at a time, almost every year. Consequently, we've always got at least one backup for just about everything in the pantry. We have a generator and a supply of gasoline. The woodshed is always at least half full. The water tank always has at least 4000 gallons in it. I start every winter with enough hay to last the Fjords thru to the next haying season. Etc. Of course, there's still a small possibility that this time the doomsayers could be right. As the old saying goes, even a stopped clock is right twice a day Marsha Jo HannahMurphy must have been a horseman-- [EMAIL PROTECTED] anything that can go wrong, will! 30 mi SSE of San Francisco, Calif. ---
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 11/9/98 11:10:32 Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I agree with Steve on the Y2K problem. I'm a technical writer, and have worked in the software industry for over 10 years. I find that the majority of the people (like my mom) who are scared by the Y2K thing (which the media has blown out of proportion due to nothing else interesting to talk about) are people who do NOT make their living by computers--they are scared of computers, so they are also scared of problems with computers. I don't know about that. My husband is a highly sought computer expert and he's nervous. So are some of his friends that are even higher up the echelon in the computer world. Some of them are definitely city people, yet they have gone out and bought acres and acres of land in the middle of Idaho in preparation for New Years 2000. I'm going to be on the safe side. I hope nothing much happens, but just in case, I'll be ready. If nothing does happen, well, I'll have enough candles to last the rest of my life, and enough canned goods that I can happily donate to homeless shelters. Pamela Known for being cautious
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This message is from: Lori Albrough [EMAIL PROTECTED] Another computer person checking in to say the Y2K problem is being overhyped in the media. This is not to say things will be perfect. There will be problems, but a lot of them at the time of roll-over (when the clock changes from Dec 31, 1999 11:59 pm to Jan 1, 2000). I'm planning on not flying at that exact moment :-) Resist the urge to take all your money out of the bank and cash in your investments. Everyone getting panicky ahead of time could be worse than the actual Y2K problems. BUT, everyone should be prepared for emergencies. Last year's ice storm in Eastern Ontario and Quebec should have taught us that. People were without electricity for weeks, some up to a month. This means no heat, no lights, no WATER, no transportation as everything was coated in treacherous ice. The army delivered water to people and farms, but I heard if you didn't have somewhere to store the water, you were still in trouble. We have a 30 foot deep dug well lined with large boulders, it has a hand pump and was used by the original people who lived here. Their house and barn are long gone, although the foundations remain. This well has never failed to produce water with just a few pumps of the handle. Last year we had the water tested and although it does have some bacteria, it is safe for livestock and OK for humans if boiled. Last winter we had occasion to use it when our main well pumped fried itself. So water is taken care of. We also have a large supply of wood for the wood stove, hay in the hay shed, and emergency rations in the cold cellar. The only thing I don't have is much of an emergency medical supply kit (ie, drugs for the horses). I've always relied on our vets quick response. Also, first aid knowledge (for people) is something lacking. A first aid course has always been something I've been planning to do Time to get on that. I bought this excellent book, basically it's what to do if you can't get the vet. It's called Emergency and is by Dr. Karen Hayes (who also wrote the Complete Book of Foaling, another good one). Emergency covers step by step for Laminitis, Colic, Head Injuries, Wounds, Eye Problems, etc. etc. Also gives a list of drugs you should have on hand (although I haven't implemented that part). Anyway, a really good book to keep in the barn. Y2K aside, emergency preparedness and disaster planning is something that everyone should be thinking of. Lori Albrough Bluebird Lane Fjords Moorefield, Ontario, Canada
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This message is from: Poirier, Jeanne L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jodie, What you wrote is VERY true! I work in the 'high tech' industry, and knowing what we know about the computer world, we believe the sun will come up 01-Jan-00 just like any other day. My folks, (mid 60's), are terrified about this day coming. They've even started buying extra food, storing water and... get this... even making plans to have all of their money in cash, at home, when 01-Jan-00 hits!! They even believe that at midnight on December 31, 1999, all planes in the air will just drop from the sky Can you believe this ?!?! I've tried to talk to them about this, but... somewhere, somehow they are scared to death. And, unlike your Mom, they don't own a Fjord :-( Now, THATS sad. Jeanne in Berthoud Colorado - watching Hanne's coat grow thicker and thicker !! -- From: Jodie Gilmore[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 09, 1998 12:10 PM To: Fjord Horse List Subject: Re: Y2K This message is from: Jodie Gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] I agree with Steve on the Y2K problem. I'm a technical writer, and have worked in the software industry for over 10 years. I find that the majority of the people (like my mom) who are scared by the Y2K thing (which the media has blown out of proportion due to nothing else interesting to talk about) are people who do NOT make their living by computers--they are scared of computers, so they are also scared of problems with computers. My take on it is this--it's not only the *consumers* who will be affected by Y2K glitches in programs. The business *owners* will be too, so it is beneficial to their bottom line to smooth out most problems beforehand, and they will do so. There will be places in the programs that didn't get fixed/caught, but I do not think any of the bank, satellite, financial guru, etc. type businesses want to lose money, and they will do what is necessary to keep from doing that. Better off worrying about the polar ice caps melting (another of my Mom's favorite topics...) But she *does* own two Fjords, so she can't be all bad! :) :) :) --- Jodie Gilmore Freelance Technical Writer Washougal, WA
Brian and Y2K
This message is from: Larson [EMAIL PROTECTED] My power is blipping on and off this morning due to snow laden power lines. But look on the bright side: Other folks have summer and winter homes. We have summer and winter horses! As regards Y2K: Many horse people in the SW region are taking preparedness steps. Afterall, we are in an area where both graze and water can be scarce commodities. Here are a few suggestions: One years supply of hay under cover. We keep between 750 and 1000 bales on hand at all times. Cisterns to catch what run- off water is available. A water holding tank connected to the in-flow side of your water line. This allows for an immediate source of fresh clean water if systems collapse. Tanks need to be fitted with check valves and elevated enough for gravity feed. Grain can be stored in the same manner as human food. For those who are interested in the details of how to store, contact me privately ([EMAIL PROTECTED]). An vet-box (emergency meds) and the information on how to use, when to use and when not to use. Salt and/or mineral blocks stored in dry place. Mineral blocks are a good choice as forage food often does not have the trace minerals necessary for good health. Stocked worming paste. Remember, storage of ALL items needs to be on a rotation basis. Meds have shelf lives, food looses nutrients over time regardless of storage method. Fjords are a hardy breed. However, all life has certain basic requirements. As to whether or not you should stock pile in preparation for a possible national and/or global senario: What can it hurt?
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 11/8/98 20:35:21 Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What comments do others have to add? Why or why not do you think Y2K will be a problem? Brian, your timing is great. I just told some friend on another list about the book The Millenium Bug -How To Avoid The Coming Chaos. It's kind of spooky to think about. At first I thought it was a tempest in a teapot, but my husband works in the computer industry, and has heard some rumours... We've been getting ready. We're going to be buying a hand pump for our well. This way horses and humans will have water. A generator will be nice, along with a supply of propane for it. Got the transportation thing down g. Fjords for the winter, and quarter horses on occasion. Stocking up on food, water, candles is also recommended in the book I read. Buying silver, cause your credit cards won't work if the banks are shut down. Toilet paper, ammunition and bic lighters will be good items to have stocked up to use for barter, along with coffee, tea and sugar. My mother who lives outside of Cleveland will be staying with us. I finally have her nervous enough to realize she'll be safer here. I told her if nothing happens she can laugh at me, and go home on January 7. But if it gets as scary as it could, she'll be safe and protected. We bought our property 7 months ago, and so far only have 2 of the 5 acres of pasture fenced off. This next year I'll be planting a big garden, working hard to give our horses the extra 3 acres of pasture by fencing. And preparing...just in case. If nothing happens, I'll have a lot of canned goods, and candles, etc. And if we ever get snowed in here in temperate Oregon, I'll be set. Oh yes, the book recommends that we all get EMT training. Learn how to deal with broken bones, heart attacks, etc. etc. Pamela Who is a bit nervous about next year
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (BRIAN C JACOBSEN) I've been reading lately about the millenium bug or the Y2K (year 2000) problem, and I'm gathering information to try and decide for myself how bad things might get. Don't forget, if it causes problems for us, then it will affect our horses (and pets and cows and goats, etc). Here's a nutshell description of the potential problems associated with computers and the year 2000 for those who haven't heard/don't understand it. Many computers and software programs will have trouble when the clock strikes midnight on Dec. 31, 1999 due to the way they were programmed to handle dates. Computers see 1998 as just 98, and 1999 as 99. When the year 2000 arrives, computers will see it as 00 and that will cause trouble. The big (potential) problem is not with personal computers, but with business and utility and medical computers. For instance, if the power companies have not fixed the problem with their computers, the power companies will shut down. They already did an experiment at one power plant where they set the computer's clock to 2000 (or 00) and, sure enough, the thing shut down. Forty percent of the US's power comes from nuclear power plants, and if they are not 100% certain they have their problems fixed, they are just going to shut them off before midnight on Dec. 31, 1999 so there won't be any accidents. That would cause a brownout, and probably, due to the demand overloading the remaining plants, a countrywide blackout. Even if it wasn't a total blackout, a problem with a single big power plant can cause a brownout of a whole handful of states due to the grid system the connects them all. This means of course no lights, no heat (it will be the middle of winter), a limited supply of municipal water, or no water if you have a well which has an electrical pump, etc. Hospitals could be affected as well. Much of their diagnostic equipment is computerized (x-ray machines, CAT scan, etc). Some infusion pumps keep track of the date because if they are not serviced at regular intervals, they stop working (it's a safety feature so we can be sure they are calibrated correctly). Medical records might be unavailable. The transport industry may also be affected which could cause shortages in supplies. Most grocery stores stock only about 3 days worth of most of the food items. So if no trucks were running, the stores would not have food for long. The pharmacies would not have medications. The gas stations would soon run out of gas, etc. The US military has millions of lines of code, or lines of programs which are in some way affected by the date. The IRS, as you can imagine, is totally dependent on computers and everything they deal with is affected by the date. The head of the IRS has admitted in a public statement that there is almost no way they will be ready. (Hmmm.I guess there is one bright spot in this whole thing ; ) Actually, don't think for a minute that the US Government would stop collecting taxes just because the computers shut down. They would still figure out a way to get our money and it would just be more of a nightmare than it already is. This is probably starting to sound like an alarmist scare letter, and I certainly don't mean for it to be like that. No one is sure yet how bad things will or will not be, but almost all experts on the subject agree that the potential is there. Some of you are wondering Why haven't these problems been fixed already? Or, We still have a year, isn't that enough time? Well, maybe it's enough time. Here's what has happened. Due to the expense and the enormity of the problem, many companies, and the government, have drug their feet about coming in line or fixing the problem. Also, the computers were originally programmed in a computer language called COBOL which, until very recently, was no longer being taught because it had been replaced by newer computer languages. This means there is a shortage of programmers who know the language necessary to reprogram the computers. Finally, some of the computer chips are in very inaccesible places, like in pumps at the bottom of oil wells in the North Sea. So, the problem is definitely being worked on, but in some cases it may be too little, too late. Possibly the biggest danger of all is peoples' reactions as the date draws nearer. If we do not have reasonable assurance that all is OK, people will make runs on the banks so they can have some money on hand if the banks shut their doors for a while. Fear of a possible disaster will cause the stock market to go down which could result in a panic and wild selling. People will make runs on the grocery stores to stock up on food items, and this will cause shortages even if the actual Y2K problem doesn't. And everyone reading this message will panic which isn't going to help matters either : ). Again, I'm not trying to foment any panic here, just wanted to alert everyone
