Re: cheap Fjord foals
This message is from: =?iso-8859-1?q?clare=20brennan?= [EMAIL PROTECTED] i know steve has called for an end to this discussion but when i read some of the posts they made my blood boil.this list is about fjord horses ok, but i thought we were all here because of our love for horses in general?the fact that people are turning their backs on a horse in need just because of its blood is terrible, we wouldnt do it to a human.it all comes down to money in the end and the people that are money orientated by their fjords are just as bad as the farmers that create these innocent by products of the meat industry, maybe you should sit back and enjoy the fact that you own a beautiful horse and not a particular breed!i dont own any horses because i cant afford to,im from england and its quite expensive to keep a horse in my county, but if i did it wouldnt matter what its bloodlines are just as long as its healthy. id like to be removed from the list please steve, its becoming too hostile on this list and the fact that people who do care about the horses are being told to join other list is, well, its just silly. i'll now take my leave ,feeling alot better for writing. bright blessing, clare Ruth Bushnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: Ruth Bushnell this is a fjord line Only ... Bo Fjords are we only allowed to talk about pure bred fjords on this line ...Sue ~~~ Having just inadvertently sent a frame with nothing in it, I guess the element of surprise is gone = (apologies) Talking about cross breds and ADVERTISING them are two different things entirely! The Quilter post which had the website advertising cross breds, was at the very least in poor taste, (on a Fjord List) and I didn't like it either! If a lot of you breeders out there would speak up, you'd admit you didn't appreciate it much. The horse market in general is bad and the last thing we need right now is offers of cheap imitations... which are a hazard to the purebred Fjord industry. That particular post was an advertisment for an unprincipled breeder that had probably supplied the PMU industry and is now left holding a surplus because of current restrictions. There are now hundreds of unwanted cross breds! By promoting their despicable practice in this manner, the lady that posted their site is adding to the problem of cross breed proliferation and unethical breeding practices. There is already an e-mail List for Fjord rescues and that would have been a better choice to post these kinds of notices. I hated to comment on this as I know this subject has caused controversary in the past but all it takes for wrong to succeed is silence. When I think of the many Fjord owners who throughout the years have spent thousands and thousands of dollars and spared no efforts in improving and preserving the wonderful Norwegian Fjord horse, only to have their major investments and self sacrifice diluted and cheapened by unprincipled pirates, it makes me sick! You can talk all you want about the cross bred being a darling horse and their life worth as much as a purebred, (but certainly not their net worth) and I can agree with that, but when you start promoting the practice of cross breeding I see red! Ruthie, nw mt - ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun!
Re: cheap Fjord foals
This message is from: Tamara Rousso [EMAIL PROTECTED] Steve - My sincere apologies. I really do understand the word STOP, but my mistake was in answering an email before reading through all 45 I had this morning. When I got to yours that said no more (two more words I actually understand - and not trying to be sarcastic here, but rather chiding myself) it was too late. I had already sent the email. I should have immediately posted an apology at that point. I wasn't sure if appropriate 'net etiquette was to apologize, again drawing attention to the thread, or to just let it go. I am so embarrassed. Again so sorry. Tamara Hiding out in Fallbrook CA and considering lurkerdom. On Thursday, August 5, 2004, at 12:26 PM, Steve McIlree wrote: This message is from: Steve McIlree [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tamara-- Thursday, August 5, 2004, you wrote: I didn't interpret the post as promoting cross breeding. That has been done by the PMU ranchers already and as long as Premarin holds a market that will continue. I don't mean to pick on Tamara, but I do want to make it clear I am not kidding. Just what part of STOP is it that is hard to understand? We are NOT going to get involved in another discussion of PMU, cross-bred, rescue, etc. The next person who chimes in on this thread may find themselves off the list. -- Steve McIlree Owner/Administrator FjordHorse List.
Re: cheap Fjord foals
This message is from: Steve McIlree [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tamara-- Thursday, August 5, 2004, you wrote: I didn't interpret the post as promoting cross breeding. That has been done by the PMU ranchers already and as long as Premarin holds a market that will continue. I don't mean to pick on Tamara, but I do want to make it clear I am not kidding. Just what part of STOP is it that is hard to understand? We are NOT going to get involved in another discussion of PMU, cross-bred, rescue, etc. The next person who chimes in on this thread may find themselves off the list. -- Steve McIlree Owner/Administrator FjordHorse List.
Re: cheap Fjord foals
This message is from: Tamara Rousso [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Thursday, August 5, 2004, at 05:38 AM, Ruth Bushnell wrote: You can talk all you want about the cross bred being a darling horse and their life worth as much as a purebred, (but certainly not their net worth) and I can agree with that, but when you start promoting the practice of cross breeding I see red! I didn't interpret the post as promoting cross breeding. That has been done by the PMU ranchers already and as long as Premarin holds a market that will continue. Menopausal women - forgo the premarin! I think the person who posted has a big heart and was trying to save some babies and was hopeful that those of us that love Fjords would be more likely to rescue if Fjord blood was involved. I actually offered to geld a Fjord cross stallion on a Canadian ranch that was described as docile if someone would adopt him. I've no more room, and the thought of that wonderful Fjord disposition going to the meat man made me too sad. There were (are) many stallions in need, but because I love Fjords that is the one I wanted to help. That said (and before you breeders start flaming away) I do have to say that if you want a FJORD you need to get a purebred and you need to be darn picky about the breeder. I do not breed Fjords, but have experience breeding and buying other purebreds. The best way to be happy with the Fjord you get is to look at the breeder's program and spend the time researching. I recently had a thoroughbred breeder chastise me for adopting a PMU mare because it hurt her foal market. I don't agree. First of all I wasn't in the market for a horse - I only did it because I love animals and wanted to save a horse that would otherwise become someone's dinner. Secondly I would never buy a Thoroughbred anyway. And I am holding dear to the day when we move and have more land of getting a second Fjord. Speaking of which I contacted a breeder who occassionally posts on this list and requested a tour while we are vacationing near them. I never heard back. Is it possible said breeder knows from the list I can't buy right now and so doesn't want to waste their time. If so shame! I'll be looking somewhere more hospitable when the time comes... Tamara Rousso Fallbrook CA - where WNV has just reared its ugly head www.algedifarm.com
Re: cheap Fjord foals
This message is from: Barbara Kellison [EMAIL PROTECTED] I really need to speak up in Patty's defense. I own a purebred Fjord that I got from a stunt rider in Canada. She had a less than dignified beginning and I've spent countless hours trying to undo the damage done to this beautiful creature. She is not conformationally perfect, but she is my pride and joy and the object of much admiration. My point here is that neither Patty nor I own a Fjord that would compare to one that we could purchase for say $12,000 or $8,000 or even $4,000. But we love the breed and everything about it. By adopting a PMU foal, we are not condoning the PMU industry. We are trying to undo some of the damage done by this horrendous industry but giving wonderful homes to great little horses who are frowned at by people who have no use for anything less than perfect. We, like you, grit our teeth at the practice of mixing Fjord blood with any breed that makes a bigger Fjord.( Biigger Fjords mean more meat.) The PMU industry is going away, slowly but surely. It is all through the efforts of people like Patty and SOS Rescue, that's right, Rescue, and not through the efforts of people who condemn the innocent product of the industry to certain death. We joined the board to share our love of the breed with other Fjord lovers, but instead have been insulted and chastised. It is true that rescues are being phased out and are being given the opportunity to become brokers for PMU farmers. But as people become educated about hormone replacement therapy and the practice of PMU farming, this too shall pass. These so called imitation Fjords aren't doing any damage to the Fjord industry. The only people adopting or buying Cross bred Fjords are people who can't afford the purebred prices. From: Ruth Bushnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Re: cheap Fjord foals Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 05:38:14 -0700 This message is from: Ruth Bushnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] this is a fjord line Only ... Bo Fjords are we only allowed to talk about pure bred fjords on this line ...Sue ~~~ Having just inadvertently sent a frame with nothing in it, I guess the element of surprise is gone = (apologies) Talking about cross breds and ADVERTISING them are two different things entirely! The Quilter post which had the website advertising cross breds, was at the very least in poor taste, (on a Fjord List) and I didn't like it either! If a lot of you breeders out there would speak up, you'd admit you didn't appreciate it much. The horse market in general is bad and the last thing we need right now is offers of cheap imitations... which are a hazard to the purebred Fjord industry. That particular post was an advertisment for an unprincipled breeder that had probably supplied the PMU industry and is now left holding a surplus because of current restrictions. There are now hundreds of unwanted cross breds! By promoting their despicable practice in this manner, the lady that posted their site is adding to the problem of cross breed proliferation and unethical breeding practices. There is already an e-mail List for Fjord rescues and that would have been a better choice to post these kinds of notices. I hated to comment on this as I know this subject has caused controversary in the past but all it takes for wrong to succeed is silence. When I think of the many Fjord owners who throughout the years have spent thousands and thousands of dollars and spared no efforts in improving and preserving the wonderful Norwegian Fjord horse, only to have their major investments and self sacrifice diluted and cheapened by unprincipled pirates, it makes me sick! You can talk all you want about the cross bred being a darling horse and their life worth as much as a purebred, (but certainly not their net worth) and I can agree with that, but when you start promoting the practice of cross breeding I see red! Ruthie, nw mt _ Overwhelmed by debt? Find out how to Dig Yourself Out of Debt from MSN Money. http://special.msn.com/money/0407debt.armx
Re: cheap Fjord foals
This message is from: Steve McIlree [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am going to call for a stop to this thread right now. If need be I will filter further discussion on this topic. -- Steve McIlree - Pferd, Skipper Clust - Omaha, NE/Las Cruces, NM, USA Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. -- Voltaire(1694 - 1778)
Re: cheap Fjord foals
This message is from: Debi Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] I raise Pure bred Fjords but I don't care if someone wants to let the rest of us know where these foals are available. What I do care very much about is that those getting the foals understand, 1. crosses can not be bred to pure bred Fjords. 2. PMU cross stallions should be gelded to prevent such breeding practices. (A cheap breeding is just Too attractive for people to pass up. I went to a BLM adoption recently. $125.00 for some nice young stock. There was a bidding but no one raised the bid. Only a few that went thru were bid on, most were just passed thru. They were bought after the bidding had finished in a second chance round. And here's a kicker---$25.00 for a buddy after you have bought one at the $125.00 price. People were getting 2 or three young mares with breeding plans for them. I can only hope these horses do have a good home for a year while they adopters must wait for title. there is an online auction coming up. you bid on line like Ebay. The animals can then be shipped to a drop off point where you have to pick them up. I guess that isn't Fjord related either, as none of them are Fjords... thankfully!! debi williams
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This message is from: Ruth Bushnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] this is a fjord line Only... Bo Fjords are we only allowed to talk about pure bred fjords on this lineSue
Re: cheap Fjord foals
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 8/4/04 9:24:31 PM Mountain Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This message is from: BO-FJORDS [EMAIL PROTECTED] this is a fjord line Only These are fjord foals, Patty didn't post about quarter horse foals, are we only allowed to talk about pure bred fjords on this line maybe everyone had better show their registration papers before posting?. I have a PMU fjord mare with no papers, am I not allowed to talk about her on this line. This kind of message angers me. Some of us cannot afford to pay the high prices fjords can cost and will do anything possible to own one of these wonderful horses and that includes adopting and saving the lives of PMU mares and foals. Now that off my chest I will go back to lurker land. Sue Sue Clark-Sorger Crown Oak Fjords Sandia Park NM - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 12:43 PM Subject: Re: cheap Fjord foals This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.shaw.ca/sos3/BM_FOALS.htm this PMU rescue site has 7/8 Fjords foals for under $600 each, delivered to several different sites across the US. Patty
Re: cheap Fjord foals
This message is from: BO-FJORDS [EMAIL PROTECTED] this is a fjord line Only - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 12:43 PM Subject: Re: cheap Fjord foals This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.shaw.ca/sos3/BM_FOALS.htm this PMU rescue site has 7/8 Fjords foals for under $600 each, delivered to several different sites across the US. Patty
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.shaw.ca/sos3/BM_FOALS.htm this PMU rescue site has 7/8 Fjords foals for under $600 each, delivered to several different sites across the US. Patty
