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Re: [flexcoders] Is Flex mature?

2005-11-28 Thread Jason Weiss

Title: Re: [flexcoders] Is Flex mature?

Steven,

You cited that you know of teams of 30+ developers using Cairngorm on projects today, implying that there are multiple Flex projects with these characteristics. I was curious if those projects have resulted in production (released) software, and if the companies could be publicly cited?

My experience in the Java/J2EE world was miserable when teams bloomed beyond 10, 12 people. In fact, I cant think of a single multi-million dollar Java project with
over a dozen people that succeeded, as measured strictly by software that was done close to on time, close to on-budget, close to meeting expected business functionality and finally, absolutely meeting the companies expected ROI prior to starting the project looking back. Literally every project that I was on that had under a dozen developers met these metrics. In fact, one project in particular had 8 engineers on it, and it meet managements goals, and then it exceeded them substantially to the tune of 8 figures. Yes, flame bait, my position is that too many developers means too many hands in the cookie jar, if you will, and a project destined to fail regardless of tools or technology or methodology.

Im very conflicted by your positioning in this response, and thats why Im asking you if you can remove the veil on these clients you reference. The terms agile practices and 30+ developers are paradoxical, wouldnt you agree? Agile, by definition, is about developing software in short iterations of 1 to 4 weeks. 9 women cant have a baby in 1 month, no matter what they try. Likewise, I cant imagine the project management nightmare of having 30 developers crank out iterations in 1 to 4 weeks. Agile development promotes face to face communication over written documents. That must be one helluva meeting room to have 30 developers ~LOL~. Agile development contends that customers and engineers work together in a single workspace, some refer to it as the bullpen though we always preferred the term Bat Cave! 30 engineers plus customers in one space doing 1 to 4 week iterations? Perhaps these folks are doing pair programming (!) so there are really only 15 engineers on the project ~LOL~.

Im not looking to pick a fight with this post, but merely inquiring about the feasibility for you and your team to publish white papers that back these positions up. Until then, Im afraid Ill have to treat these positions as suspect because they are counter-intuitive and go against every bit of my experience and likely the experiences of other seasoned J2EE developers.

On a slightly different topic, the Core J2EE patterns the book with the Sun logo splashed all over its cover **mostly** documents patterns (used extremely loosely because I content that the only real patterns were those introduced by the classic GoF book) that were often fixes or work-arounds for missing functionality in the J2EE spec and/or container design flaws. This isnt meant to belittle the engineers that worked on the related J2EE specs, but merely that you have to start somewhere and there were gaps along the way the core J2EE patterns helped plug the proverbial holes.

To recap, Id be very interested in seeing you and the former iteration::two team deliver white papers that discuss this environment in particular you have repeatedly cited now in a number of posts- large projects with dozens of developers using agile methodologies and J2EE-adapted patterns (with or without Cairngorm- my inquiry isnt about Cairngorm per se) in a Flex environment. In particular, Id hope that these papers would cite metrics that our community could agree on metrics like those I cited earlier so that proper conclusions can be reached based on fact, not supposition or unproven statements.

Until papers are published with legitimate metrics that depict success demonstrated by what I view as a counter-intuitive position, I feel compelled to cast doubt upon your claims, to both the FlexCoders community and to my Flex prospects and clients.

Best,

Jason

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On 11/27/05 4:20 PM, Steven Webster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Mykola,

Totally agree but EJB was also first technology for
enterprise development in Java and it worth us to be blind
for a 5 years. EJB was the same overcomplicated that
Cairngorm is and as far as I understand Cairngorm uses the
same patterns and fully inspired by J2EE.

EJB and Cairngorm have nothing in common; both are frameworks, one as
you know is a (excuse the simplification) framework for object
persistence, the other is a framework microarchitecture for RIA. That
the EJB spec is overcomplicated does not mean that Cairngorm is, just
because both can be called frameworks or both have reference to J2EE.

Cairngorm does borrow heavily from the body of work that was

Re: [flexcoders] Is Flex mature?

2005-11-28 Thread Mykola Paliyenko

Hi Steven
Thanks again for the comments. Lets stop the discussion about
frameworks, my opinion about Core J2EE patterns etc because its a
religious controversy. I will share my results when I'll be ready.

The question of this topic was not Cairngorm or something else but:

Is Flex mature enough now? What are our chances if we need to build
huge RIA application in 7 month using Flex? I'd like to hear about
project already completed or about to being completed by teams of at
least 20 developers.

Also we cannot rely on the Flex2 since it uses 8.5 player that will not be widespread by the moment we need to launch.

WBR, MykolaOn 11/28/05, Steven Webster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Mykola,

Cairngorm does borrow heavily from the body of work that was performed
with Core J2EE Patterns; however, it is not applying J2EE to Flex, it is
recognising that many of the patterns that the Core J2EE pattern
catalogue included, are patterns that can be applicable to RIA
development with Flex (MXML and ActionScript). Note I say *can* be
applied to RIA, not *must* be applied to RIA. There are many ways to
skin a cat.

Apologies to cat lovers. Insert annoying animal of your choice.

do not repeat previous mistakes. You do not need to get
things that complex like thy are now with Commands
FrontControllers and other stuff.

I think that's quite a bold statement. Perhaps you do not need them,
and I absolutely agree that many many projects do not need Commands,
Front Controllers or other stuff. However, I have worked on and with
several projects that *have* benefited from these patterns and the
architecture that the collaboration of these patterns introduced.

Was this solution the *only* way we could have addressed the problems we
faced ? Of course not ... There are as many different ways of doing
these things as there are talented architects and developers that are
now working with the technology.

If you have your own framework that works for you, and if it addresses
the problems that you face in your design, then you're correct not to
use Cairngorm. Many other developers have done the same as you, and
their implementations are not the worse for it.

However, let's also accept that a great number of developers *have*
benefited greatly from frameworks such as Cairngorm or ARP, have felt
that these frameworks have introduced simplicity where complexity
previously existed.

These people do not think Cairngorm (or whatever other framework) is
bad. Nor will they assert that the framework you are using instead is
bad.

Let's not continue this thread on the assertion that there will be one
ultimately better than all the rest way of building all RIA upon Flex.

Now I have a kind of
framework that is much easier than Cairngorm and I'll try to
share it with the community when it will pass internal
sainity testing in our team (now guys are happy but lets wait
more serious testing).

I look forward to seeing it, and hope that it can be presented not as
better than Cairngorm or simpler than Cairngorm but simply
different to Cairngorm. In understanding what you tried to achieve
with your approach, rather than what you don't like about other
approaches, I think we'll all learn a lot more, no ?

- No kickstart examples like Appfuse in Java
Hopefully time wil bring them. Flex2 will drive a radically
larger community.
It is a huge problem cause when you need team development you
need unittesting, framework, build strategy etc. And I'm sure
that every team create it from scratch now. The idea is to
publish some approach and evolve it to support and show best
practices on it.

Just to be clear, I know of teams of 30+ developers who are developing
Flex applications based upon Cairngorm, who are actively embracing
unit-testing, continuous integration, refactoring, and all manner of
other agile practices.

Certainly, the same team that brought you Cairngorm initially, has a
great deal of experience in delivering projects using Agile methods,
particuarly XP, with both Java, ActionScript 1.0, ActionScript 2.0 and
most recently Flex 2 and ActionScript 3.0. The technology, and the
choice of architectures upon the technology, have never impinged (any
more than AWT, Swing, J2ME, JSP and _javascript_, etc have) upon our
ability to deliver using agile methodologies.

I guess the challenge here, is that many of

[flexcoders] [ann] Sydney Developers Group December Meeting

2005-11-28 Thread Chris Velevitch

Tues, 6th Dec, ActionScript 3 by Robin Hilliard at 6pm for 6:30 start
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Tonight Robin Hilliard of Rocketboots discuss and show us Actionscript 3.

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[flexcoders] flex2: as3 only httpservice

2005-11-28 Thread Martin Wood

I have been trying to post this on the labs forums, but the pages are 
stuck in a perpetual loop of asking me to re-verify my details.

anyway, Im trying to use mx.rpc.HTTPService from just AS3 code, but as 
soon as i invoke the send method it gives me a fault:

[RPCFault faultcode='InvokeFailed' faultstring-'Error #1009: null has no 
properties.']

Heres the code im using:

package
{
import flash.display.MovieClip;
import mx.rpc.http.*;
import mx.rpc.events.*;
import flash.util.trace;

public class ServiceTest extends MovieClip
{
private var myService:HTTPService;

public function ServiceTest()
{
myService = new HTTPService();
myService.useProxy = false;
myService.url=http://biljanche/test.xml;;
myService.addEventListener(result,result);
myService.addEventListener(fault,fault);
myService.send();
}

private function result(evt:ResultEvent)
{
trace(GOT RESULT);
}

private function fault(evt:FaultEvent)
{
trace(GOT FAULT :  + evt);
}
}
}

and i've tried numerous variations, including populating every property 
of the object. I have also tried using the mx.rpc.mxml.HTTPService and 
get the same results.

If i use the mxml HTTPService tag i have no problems at all.

Does anyone know what im missing?

thanks,

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RE: [flexcoders] Re: How to view attachment file

2005-11-28 Thread jag reddy

Hi ,I followed the code http://127.0.0.1:8700/samples/explorer/explorer.mxmlto to use custom cell renderer for the DataGridColumn in my mxml page.I created CheckCellRender.as file and saved in mxml folder. When i run the application i got following mxml page error likeThere is no method with the name 'CheckCellRenderer' any help is appreciated--Jagadeesh. Abdul Qabiz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can also look
for cellPress event.-abdul -Original Message-From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] OnBehalf Of sreeni_rSent: Friday, November 25, 2005 11:21 AMTo: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: [flexcoders] Re: How to view attachment fileHi Jagadeesh,You can use a custom cell renderer for the DataGridColumn and handle the click event there to show the popup and take necessary action.-Sreenivas--- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, "jagabcdeff" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, Now i working on to view attachment file which is already stored in database.The attachment file name is shown in datagrid in mxml page using following code mx:DataGridColumn headerText="Item Name" columnName="att_Name" / when i click on attachment name it should show pop-up window with view and save buttons
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[flexcoders] Flex1.5 Tree: hasChildNodes vs node icon question

2005-11-28 Thread Rick Schmitty

Just wondering,

If a node returns false with hasChildNodes should the icon always be
the leaf icon and not folder, or is there something else that controls
it?

setIsBranch says ithe tree should do this automatically?

setIsBranch( node, branch)

Specifies if the node is a branch node. Nodes are automatically
configured as branch nodes when they have children. You only need to
call this when you create an empty branch node and want it to be
displayed using the folderOpenIcon and folderClosedIcon.

I was looking at the code from Ed's very nice example:
http://ed.eustace.net/index.php?id=15itemId=5sectionId=1

And would like to modify it so you could have an option for persistant
folders or not

TIA
-Rick


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Re: [flexcoders] Is Flex mature?

2005-11-28 Thread Aldo Bucchi

Mykola,

What are your alternatives to flex??


On 11/27/05, Jason Weiss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Steven,

 You cited that you know of teams of 30+ developers using Cairngorm on
 projects today, implying that there are multiple Flex projects with these
 characteristics.  I was curious if those projects have resulted in
 production (released) software, and if the companies could be publicly
 cited?

 My experience in the Java/J2EE world was miserable when teams bloomed beyond
 10, 12 people.  In fact, I can't think of a single multi-million dollar Java
 project with
 over a dozen people that succeeded, as measured strictly by software that
 was done close to on time, close to on-budget, close to meeting expected
 business functionality and finally, absolutely meeting the companies
 expected ROI prior to starting the project looking back.  Literally every
 project that I was on that had under a dozen developers met these metrics.
 In fact, one project in particular had 8 engineers on it, and it meet
 managements goals, and then it exceeded them substantially to the tune of 8
 figures.  Yes, flame bait, my position is that too many developers means
 too many hands in the cookie jar, if you will, and a project destined to
 fail regardless of tools or technology or methodology.

 I'm very conflicted by your positioning in this response, and that's why I'm
 asking you if you can remove the veil on these clients you reference.  The
 terms agile practices and 30+ developers are paradoxical, wouldn't you
 agree?  Agile, by definition, is about developing software in short
 iterations of 1 to 4 weeks.  9 women can't have a baby in 1 month, no matter
 what they try.  Likewise, I can't imagine the project management nightmare
 of having 30 developers crank out iterations in 1 to 4 weeks.  Agile
 development promotes face to face communication over written documents.
 That must be one helluva meeting room to have 30 developers ~LOL~.  Agile
 development contends that customers and engineers work together in a single
 workspace, some refer to it as the bullpen though we always preferred the
 term Bat Cave!  30 engineers plus customers in one space doing 1 to 4 week
 iterations?  Perhaps these folks are doing pair programming (!) so there are
 really only 15 engineers on the project ~LOL~.

 I'm not looking to pick a fight with this post, but merely inquiring about
 the feasibility for you and your team to publish white papers that back
 these positions up.  Until then, I'm afraid I'll have to treat these
 positions as suspect because they are counter-intuitive and go against every
 bit of my experience and likely the experiences of other seasoned J2EE
 developers.

 On a slightly different topic, the Core J2EE patterns— the book with the Sun
 logo splashed all over its cover— **mostly** documents patterns (used
 extremely loosely because I content that the only real patterns were those
 introduced by the classic GoF book) that were often fixes or work-arounds
 for missing functionality in the J2EE spec and/or container design flaws.
 This isn't meant to belittle the engineers that worked on the related J2EE
 specs, but merely that you have to start somewhere and there were gaps along
 the way— the core J2EE patterns helped plug the proverbial holes.

 To recap, I'd be very interested in seeing you and the former iteration::two
 team deliver white papers that discuss this environment in particular you
 have repeatedly cited now in a number of posts- large projects with dozens
 of developers using agile methodologies and J2EE-adapted patterns (with or
 without Cairngorm- my inquiry isn't about Cairngorm per se) in a Flex
 environment.  In particular, I'd hope that these papers would cite metrics
 that our community could agree on— metrics like those I cited earlier— so
 that proper conclusions can be reached based on fact, not supposition or
 unproven statements.

 Until papers are published with legitimate metrics that depict success
 demonstrated by what I view as a counter-intuitive position, I feel
 compelled to  cast doubt upon your claims, to both the FlexCoders community
 and to my Flex prospects and clients.

 Best,

 Jason

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 Macromedia Flex Alliance Partner
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 On 11/27/05 4:20 PM, Steven Webster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 Mykola,

  Totally agree but EJB was also first technology for
  enterprise development in Java and it worth us to be blind
  for a 5 years. EJB was the same overcomplicated that
  Cairngorm is and as far as I understand Cairngorm uses the
  same patterns and fully inspired by J2EE.

 EJB and Cairngorm have nothing in common; both are frameworks, one as
 you know is a (excuse the simplification) framework for object
 persistence, the other is a framework microarchitecture for RIA. That
 the EJB spec is overcomplicated does not mean that

Re: [flexcoders] Is Flex mature?

2005-11-28 Thread Mykola Paliyenko

Aldo,

My alternative is one of the good old Java MVC frameworks: Struts, 
Spring or Webwork. I know that our user experience will sucks in this 
case but it is better than found that your application is too big in 
size or too slow  or requires some unique plugin or all together :(. 
Also personally I'm very sceptic when it comes to the non open source 
technologies, but I must admit that Flex community is very strong.

I still believe than Flex has a great future but I have some doubt that 
the time is come to build something serious on top of Flex.

Waiting for Stevent's reply on the previous post to change my mind :)

WBR, Mykola
Aldo Bucchi wrote:

Mykola,

What are your alternatives to flex??
  






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[flexcoders] Re: Is Flex Mature ?

2005-11-28 Thread Steven Webster

Jason,

There's not really a whole lot I can add to your
post. But to address a couple of your points:

characteristics. I was curious if those
projects have resulted in production (released) software, and if the
companies could be publicly cited?

The very nature of projects of this size, is such
that their release schedules are not in the days or weeks ahead. Or in the
past. So I'm afraid, I can't cite client names, or describe their projects
in any degree of detail. I'd love to - and perhaps these companies will
step forth on the list and discuss their own implementations; but I don't
necessarily expect them to.

My apologies.
I¹m very conflicted by your positioning in
this response, and that¹s why I¹m asking you if you can remove the veil
on these clients you reference. The terms ³agile practices² and
30+ developers are paradoxical, wouldn¹t you agree? Agile, by
definition, is about developing software in short iterations of 1 to 4
weeks. 9 women can¹t have a baby in 1 month, no matter what they
try. Likewise, I can¹t imagine the project management nightmare of
having 30 developers crank out iterations in 1 to 4 weeks.

I didn't say that 30 developers were all working on
the same iteration of development. Careful application architecture, a
well-defined framework for development, good coding standards, collective
ownership, a strong emphasis on unit-testing and continuous integration, all
enable the modularisation of a project of this size into a number of almost
concurrent mini-projects, each of which can be delivered by "agile
teams".

In a specific project we're engaged with right now,
the developers within the organisation are all engaged in parallel iterations of
development, on different modules of the same overall application.

Each teams' iterations are aligned, each team
continously integrates into the same code-base, yet the average team size
working on any given iteration is within the magic numbers that you rightly
specify - 4-6 people. I've personally worked on agile teams as big as 10
developers, with 4-week iterations, and would agree that this is getting to as
big a team-size as you'd be comfortable with.

Agile development promotes face to
face communication over written documents. That must be one helluva
meeting room to have 30 developers ~LOL~.

There is a pragmatic approach here; each
team(working on their own iteration)
has a morning standup meeting with their
4-6 developers. Meanwhile, a representative of each team engages in
a company-wide standup meeting with the business stakeholders. This ensures the necessary granularity of
team-wide discussion while ensuring that teams are aware of project-level issues
and opportunities.

This allows the agile approach to
scale.

And just to be
clear; I'm not suggesting ever that agile development is the only way to deliver
these projects. Other teams have their own methodologies, based on their
own experiences, and they'll work for them. But agile works for
us.

Agile development contends that
customers and engineers work together in a single workspace, some refer
to it as the ³bullpen² though we always preferred the term Bat
Cave! 30 engineers plus customers in one space doing 1 to 4 week
iterations? Perhaps these folks are doing pair programming (!) so there
are really only 15 engineers on the project ~LOL~.

The approach to pair-progamming is also pragmatic,
on a story by story basis. And yes, there is a customer on-site to whom
the development team have permanent access. I¹m not looking to
pick a fight with this post, but merely inquiring about the feasibility
for you and your team to publish white papers that back these positions
up.

When I propose whitepapers, I'm proposing
technical whitepapers around unit-testing, continuous integration, architecture
of large Flex applications,
etc.

There are other books/whitepapers that cover agile
development in large teams; it's not high on my priority, nor do I feel
particularly compelled, to "back the position up".

With regards to the remainder of your email,
casting doubt on the existence of the projects that I'm mentioning here, I'm
afraid there's little more response I'm prepared to enter into here. I'm
not presenting my findings to a journal without citation here, I'm merely
sharing anecdotal experience in a mailing list.

I'll share as much experience as I can from
real-world engagements, but individuals will have to choose either to accept
that client confidentiality will always be a factor in ongoing developments, or
choose to discard the discussion until the projects are live (which may be
several months in many instances).
It's also worth noting that many of the projects on which we are engaged (as I'm
sure has been your experience) will never be client-facing, but will deliver
internally. We're building applications, not
websites.

I'd hope that having the discussion now without
citation, has

RE: [flexcoders] Is Flex mature?

2005-11-28 Thread Steven Webster

Mykola,

I've been asking around internally at Macromedia before I knew if I
could say this or not...

  - no i18n support on mxml level
 I believe Macromedia did not want to risk a strategy upfront, before 
 realizing what the real requirements were...
 Could someone from macromedia develop on this?
 What is the state of things now? Will the new Cairngorm support it?
 will it be integrated into Flex2 later? IDE Support?
 You know, it is a critical common requirement ( every app 
 nowadays is 
 intlzed )
 Again we've added it to our framework. But I see no reason 
 why MM guys haven't done it themselves

OK, so Internationalization support using resource bundles is part of
the upcoming Flex 2 release.  I don't have any other details I can share
at present however, but I'm sure more will be revealed during the Flex 2
alpha.

I hope you can understand, that with the underlying Flex framework
supporting internationalisation, we didn't feel it necessary to
hand-bake our own solution for Cairngorm.  Cairngorm has always been
about guiding architecture, not providing services to the developer as
such.  

Once the spec and implementation for internationalisation is tied down
however, I'd suspect that we might put forward ideas as to how the
feature can be leveraged within a Cairngorm application, if that is
appropriate.

My apologies I couldn't share this information sooner !

Best wishes,

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Re: [flexcoders] Re: Is Flex Mature ?

2005-11-28 Thread Jason Weiss

Title: Re: [flexcoders] Re: Is Flex Mature ?

Steven,

Thanks for taking the time to respond to my concerns. I was merely taking your posts at face value in terms of project size (e.g. the 30 developers) and how you presented it. With your additional clarifications, your position comes much more into focus and make perfect sense. It appears this was merely a classic example of not having all of the information presented in a post. Unfortunately, newsgroups are infamous for suffering from this symptom! Its amazing how powerful just a couple extra sentences that provide context can be. I look forward to reading additional whitepapers from Macromedia on the topics you have proposed.

Thanks,

Jason

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On 11/28/05 10:41 AM, Steven Webster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Jason,

There's not really a whole lot I can add to your post. But to address a couple of your points:

characteristics. I was curious if those projects have resulted in
production (released) software, and if the companies could be publicly
cited?

The very nature of projects of this size, is such that their release schedules are not in the days or weeks ahead. Or in the past. So I'm afraid, I can't cite client names, or describe their projects in any degree of detail. I'd love to - and perhaps these companies will step forth on the list and discuss their own implementations; but I don't necessarily expect them to.

My apologies.

I didn't say that 30 developers were all working on the same iteration of development. Careful application architecture, a well-defined framework for development, good coding standards, collective ownership, a strong emphasis on unit-testing and continuous integration, all enable the modularisation of a project of this size into a number of almost concurrent mini-projects, each of which can be delivered by agile teams.

In a specific project we're engaged with right now, the developers within the organisation are all engaged in parallel iterations of development, on different modules of the same overall application.

Each teams' iterations are aligned, each team continously integrates into the same code-base, yet the average team size working on any given iteration is within the magic numbers that you rightly specify - 4-6 people. I've personally worked on agile teams as big as 10 developers, with 4-week iterations, and would agree that this is getting to as big a team-size as you'd be comfortable with.

Agile
development promotes face to face communication over written documents.
That must be one helluva meeting room to have 30 developers ~LOL~.

There is a pragmatic approach here; each team (working on their own iteration) has a morning standup meeting with their 4-6 developers. Meanwhile, a representative of each team engages in a company-wide standup meeting with the business stakeholders. This ensures the necessary granularity of team-wide discussion while ensuring that teams are aware of project-level issues and opportunities.

This allows the agile approach to scale.

And just to be clear; I'm not suggesting ever that agile development is the only way to deliver these projects. Other teams have their own methodologies, based on their own experiences, and they'll work for them. But agile works for us.

Agile
development contends that customers and engineers work together in a single
workspace, some refer to it as the bullpen though we always preferred the
term Bat Cave! 30 engineers plus customers in one space doing 1 to 4 week
iterations? Perhaps these folks are doing pair programming (!) so there are
really only 15 engineers on the project ~LOL~.

The approach to pair-progamming is also pragmatic, on a story by story basis. And yes, there is a customer on-site to whom the development team have permanent access.

Im not looking to pick a fight with this post, but merely inquiring about
the feasibility for you and your team to publish white papers that back
these positions up.

When I propose whitepapers, I'm proposing technical whitepapers around unit-testing, continuous integration, architecture of large Flex applications, etc.

There are other books/whitepapers that cover agile development in large teams; it's not high on my priority, nor do I feel particularly compelled, to back the position up.

[flexcoders] Adding node

2005-11-28 Thread Ghislain Simard

I need to add programmatically a node in a Tree.  That node has to be 
inserted at the end of my Tree.  The Tree is populated dynamically.

How to add my node programmatically at the end of my Tree?

Thanks






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Re: [flexcoders] Is Flex mature?

2005-11-28 Thread Aldo Bucchi

Mykola,

Mmh, It's all about taking the better road...

Let's start with a premise: Flex 1.5 CAN be used to develop mission
critical applications ( evidence suggests this ). As can all of the
frameworks you suggested.

Second, I would say that Flex has the following differentiating
features in favor. See which apply to you:

- Development will be faster
- Will force you to create a well defined services layer. You can
evolve the presentation layer later
- You will gain RIA expertise that can be ported to Flex2 later ( or
XAML or other eventually )
- The final user will be positively impressed ( assuming you do a good work )
- You will have many new tricks which will eventually give you more
choices around use cases
- One more tech under your belt

Then, write down the flaws ( or negative features ) which you already
identified. Repeat the process for every other tech, then match by
subject and fill in a comparison matrix. Try to quantify them.

I have found that taking a cold minded economist's perspective
sometimes comes in handy. Specially when there are feelings involved.
Getting someone else in the decision process might help, and keeping
track of it is always a good way to CYA.

It's all about choices, not perfect solutions, isn't it.

Best,
Aldo


On 11/28/05, Steven Webster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Mykola,

 I've been asking around internally at Macromedia before I knew if I
 could say this or not...

   - no i18n support on mxml level
  I believe Macromedia did not want to risk a strategy upfront, before
  realizing what the real requirements were...
  Could someone from macromedia develop on this?
  What is the state of things now? Will the new Cairngorm support it?
  will it be integrated into Flex2 later? IDE Support?
  You know, it is a critical common requirement ( every app
  nowadays is
  intlzed )
  Again we've added it to our framework. But I see no reason
  why MM guys haven't done it themselves

 OK, so Internationalization support using resource bundles is part of
 the upcoming Flex 2 release.  I don't have any other details I can share
 at present however, but I'm sure more will be revealed during the Flex 2
 alpha.

 I hope you can understand, that with the underlying Flex framework
 supporting internationalisation, we didn't feel it necessary to
 hand-bake our own solution for Cairngorm.  Cairngorm has always been
 about guiding architecture, not providing services to the developer as
 such.

 Once the spec and implementation for internationalisation is tied down
 however, I'd suspect that we might put forward ideas as to how the
 feature can be leveraged within a Cairngorm application, if that is
 appropriate.

 My apologies I couldn't share this information sooner !

 Best wishes,

 Steven

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[flexcoders] getting coordinates of dropped item

2005-11-28 Thread Douglas Knudsen

Ok, I'm using the DragManager on a List via dragEnabled=true.  How
to get the coordinates of the dragproxy when its dropped?  Possible?


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Re: [flexcoders] Re: Cursor change problem

2005-11-28 Thread Niklas Richardson




Here is a Flex 1.5 solution:

mx:HBox width=200 height=100 backgroundColor
=0xFF mouseOver=event.target.> mx:Text 
width=100% text=Display Hand Cursor over this white box //mx:HBox
You need to specify both theevent.target.>andevent.target.useHandCursor=true

Also, related blog entry:

http://www.prismix.com/blog/2005/11/how_do_i_display_a_hand_cursor.cfm

HTH

Niklas

On 25/11/05, Jignesh Dodiya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:





Don't know about flex 1.5.but it works in flex-2 with following code 

mx:Button id=myButton label=Copy Text useHandCursor=
true buttonMode=true /

On 11/25/05, Allen Manning [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Does this work for Flex 1.5?Best,Allen-Original Message-From: 

flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] OnBehalf Of sreeni_rSent: 25 November 2005 11:31
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flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: [flexcoders] Re: Cursor change problemHi Allen,Along with useHandCursor, buttonMode property also needs to be set totrue to show the hand cursor.It is property available on Sprite hence available with all UI
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 I saw the below post on Flexcoders, but didn't see an answer.Anyone know how to use the hand cursor? Is there a reference to the hand cursor to use in setCursor -
`hand' or something like that?I couldn't find it in the docs. Best, Allen Probably an easy question for those who know... I'm trying to change the default cursor to a hand cursor when
hovering over a component. The component is based on the VBox. I want to use the Flexs hand-cursor icon, which appears within MovieClips components e.g.Buttons when useHandCursor property is
 set, and not have to create my own icon. Can't find this in the docs. Is there something like setHandCursor() and removeHandCursor() within flex?

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