Re: [Flexradio] clock ticking from sdr-1000
Cecil, Good joke, but don't Shock us. Any silly search machines may connect us to a wrong group of people due to careless dirty words. 73, Ahti On 30/09/06, Cecil Bayona [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Douglas Shock wrote: Why does my SDR-1000 sound like a ticking watch when powered off? Did I get more than I ordered here? Doug / K0ZU FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com Was it shipped from the * division? -- ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
Re: [Flexradio] Sudden interruption of service
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is the problem: Sudden click is heard in the SDR1000 rig and the panadapter shows all signals have disappeared. It sounds like a similar problem I had with the Pre-amp cutting out as I tuned around certain bands. The cure, for me, was to replace the cable between the SDR1000 and the LPT port. So, try reseating that cable and see what happens. Dave (G0DJA) ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
Re: [Flexradio] Suppressed or reduced carrier AM?
FlexRadio - Eric wrote: Take a peek at the DSB button to the right of LSB and USB. ;) Eric Wachsmann FlexRadio Systems Thanks Eric, LOL However, is that DSBSC or DSBRC and, whichever it is, can you adjust the carrier and side band modulation? The guy asking was suggesting that he would want to set the carrier reduction to 33% and increase each side band to 66% modulation. I had a quick look in the operating manual and the expert set ups, but couldn't see anything that said what the DSB set up was set to. :-) He's not yet come back to messages from Jose and I, so WE still don't know why he wants to do this. Dave (G0DJA) ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
Re: [Flexradio] clock ticking from sdr-1000
Another strange aspect of the SDR1K is the current drawn when 'off'. When it is switched on, before connecting the console, it draws 0.8 amp. If I switch the unit to off the current drawn goes up to 1.3 amps! The really strange thing is that the fan is on in the 'on' position, but off in the 'off' position... Doesn't happen on the older 0.5 Watt version, without a PA or a fan, that drops to nothing, or, rather, no detectable current on the PSU ammeter. Dave (G0DJA) Douglas Shock wrote: Why does my SDR-1000 sound like a ticking watch when powered off? Did I get more than I ordered here? Doug / K0ZU -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/flexradio_flex-radio.biz/attachments/20060929/d5c6e1b8/attachment.html ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
Re: [Flexradio] clock ticking from sdr-1000
Dave, I think this comes from the negative logic which is used to switch on/off the relays of the SDR1000. Many relay solenoids are actually energized in the position Standby and de-energized, depending on settings, in the ON position. The ON/STANDBY switch is IMHO merely a kind of softswitch and not really a circuit breaker which however can be found in the upper left corner of the front panel. vy 73 de SM6OMH Willi - Original Message - From: David Ackrill [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Douglas Shock [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 12:13 PM Subject: Re: [Flexradio] clock ticking from sdr-1000 Another strange aspect of the SDR1K is the current drawn when 'off'. When it is switched on, before connecting the console, it draws 0.8 amp. If I switch the unit to off the current drawn goes up to 1.3 amps! The really strange thing is that the fan is on in the 'on' position, but off in the 'off' position... Doesn't happen on the older 0.5 Watt version, without a PA or a fan, that drops to nothing, or, rather, no detectable current on the PSU ammeter. Dave (G0DJA) Douglas Shock wrote: Why does my SDR-1000 sound like a ticking watch when powered off? Did I get more than I ordered here? Doug / K0ZU -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/flexradio_flex-radio.biz/attachments/20060929/d5c6e1b8/attachment.html ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
Re: [Flexradio] clock ticking from sdr-1000
Thanks for the various explanations. It did seem odd to be taking more power in the 'off' position. LOL As an Energy Efficiency Engineer, telling people to turn things off to save energy is part of what I do. It will be a difficult job to persuade my children that leaving the SDR1K on is actually saving energy. ;-) Dale Boresz wrote: Hello David, I belive this is due to an increase in PA quiescent current that occurs when power remains applied to the hardware and the PowerSDR console is not running. If you disconnect your PA (or do not have a PA installed), I don't think you'll see an increase in supply current any more -- at least not of the same magnitude -- under these same condx. If you at least keep the console running, but in 'Standby', you won't see this extra current; it only occurs when the console is completely closed down. 73, Dale WA8SRA David Ackrill wrote: Another strange aspect of the SDR1K is the current drawn when 'off'. When it is switched on, before connecting the console, it draws 0.8 amp. If I switch the unit to off the current drawn goes up to 1.3 amps! The really strange thing is that the fan is on in the 'on' position, but off in the 'off' position... Doesn't happen on the older 0.5 Watt version, without a PA or a fan, that drops to nothing, or, rather, no detectable current on the PSU ammeter. Dave (G0DJA) Douglas Shock wrote: Why does my SDR-1000 sound like a ticking watch when powered off? Did I get more than I ordered here? Doug / K0ZU -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/flexradio_flex-radio.biz/attachments/20060929/d5c6e1b8/attachment.html ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
Re: [Flexradio] clock ticking from sdr-1000
Morning guys, I was told the ticking comes from the internal tuner, as it does not get completely powered off. Just look under the cover and you will see a LED lit up when the SDR is off. At least thats what I found. I got annoyed with it, so I came up with a way to disconnect power easily from the radio. 73 Mike - KM0T - Original Message - From: David Ackrill [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 6:35 AM Subject: Re: [Flexradio] clock ticking from sdr-1000 Thanks for the various explanations. It did seem odd to be taking more power in the 'off' position. LOL As an Energy Efficiency Engineer, telling people to turn things off to save energy is part of what I do. It will be a difficult job to persuade my children that leaving the SDR1K on is actually saving energy. ;-) Dale Boresz wrote: Hello David, I belive this is due to an increase in PA quiescent current that occurs when power remains applied to the hardware and the PowerSDR console is not running. If you disconnect your PA (or do not have a PA installed), I don't think you'll see an increase in supply current any more -- at least not of the same magnitude -- under these same condx. If you at least keep the console running, but in 'Standby', you won't see this extra current; it only occurs when the console is completely closed down. 73, Dale WA8SRA David Ackrill wrote: Another strange aspect of the SDR1K is the current drawn when 'off'. When it is switched on, before connecting the console, it draws 0.8 amp. If I switch the unit to off the current drawn goes up to 1.3 amps! The really strange thing is that the fan is on in the 'on' position, but off in the 'off' position... Doesn't happen on the older 0.5 Watt version, without a PA or a fan, that drops to nothing, or, rather, no detectable current on the PSU ammeter. Dave (G0DJA) Douglas Shock wrote: Why does my SDR-1000 sound like a ticking watch when powered off? Did I get more than I ordered here? Doug / K0ZU -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/flexradio_flex-radio.biz/attachments/20060929/d5c6e1b8/attachment.html ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
[Flexradio] SDR-1000 current drain
Hello, I have a new SDR-1000 with PA and ATU. I just notice while connecting to a lab-powersupply with digital meters, my SDR-1000 pulls almost 1A when just connecting the power. (Nothing else connected.) When switching on (no computer connected) it pulls 2A. With computer connected with parallellcable, actually it variuos between 1,75 to 2,15A each time I switch on. Very strange, and I dont like it when tings is not stable.:-) When turned on with PowerSDR it goes down to 0,9A Turning off with PowerSDR, goes down to 0,75A (! Then things is controlled right I think.) What I wonder the most, is the 1A when turned off with the front button. Is all this normal? Regards, LA4WAA - Stig - Oslo ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
[Flexradio] Internet round trip measurements
I'm having a day of 'let's set everything up again', and I'm interested in why the round trip path time for the SDR1K should be slower than another radio which is connected to the same PC... The set up is as follows. I have two broadband accounts, each on different telephone lines, and each logged onto different ISPs. One of my PCs is connected to the SDR1K with the usual LPT connector and a M-audio Delta-44 sound card. It is also connected, via a COMUSB connector, to the CAT connection on a Yaesu FT817. vCOM is running, to allow a virtual COM connection between two 'COM' ports, so that PowerSDR can be controlled by a remote instance of Ham Radio Deluxe through the HRD server. Both radios are served by the Ham Radio Deluxe server program. Each radio has a unique COM address number. OK, so on a laptop I have set up two instances of Ham Radio Deluxe. One is connected to the FT817, and is running OK, the other is connected to the SDR1K, and is also running OK. This laptop is connected to the other broadband connection, to simulate me being away from home once the UK licence regulations change in December. If I have one or the other, or both connected, the results are the same. The round trip (HRD has a useful display telling you what the round trip time is) is always below 100mS, and usually around 50mS, for the FT817 but for the SDR1K it rarely drops below 500mS. This means that changing frequency etc., becomes quite slow on the SDR1K. I've not connected the sound up yet, that is the next job. Just as soon as I remember how to set-up IP Sound that is. :-) Can anyone explain why the SDR1K should be so slow when compared to the FT817 connection please, and, is there anything I can do to bring it down? Thanks. Dave (G0DJA) ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
[Flexradio] Scanning?
Can someone tell me how to start scanning. In the 1.6.2 there is a Scanner-button on the front.(Greyed out, no function) In 1.6.3 SVN there is no such button as I can find. Maybe I'm blind... 73's LA4WAA - Stig - Oslo ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
Re: [Flexradio] Internet round trip measurements
500ms sounds like a timeout value to me, I assume you're running in async mode, have the SDR-1000 set correctly on the CAT side? Simon Brown --- RSGB HF Convention October 2006: http://www.rsgb-hfc.org.uk/ - Original Message - From: David Ackrill [EMAIL PROTECTED] OK, so on a laptop I have set up two instances of Ham Radio Deluxe. One is connected to the FT817, and is running OK, the other is connected to the SDR1K, and is also running OK. This laptop is connected to the other broadband connection, to simulate me being away from home once the UK licence regulations change in December. ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
Re: [Flexradio] Scanning?
Stig, So far I heard rules of the US FCC (Federal Commission of Communication) do not allow scanning of radio transmissions and Flex Radio had to remove the feature. vy 73 Willi - Original Message - From: Stig Rasmussen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 2:32 PM Subject: [Flexradio] Scanning? Can someone tell me how to start scanning. In the 1.6.2 there is a Scanner-button on the front.(Greyed out, no function) In 1.6.3 SVN there is no such button as I can find. Maybe I'm blind... 73's LA4WAA - Stig - Oslo ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
Re: [Flexradio] Sudden interruption of service
I get this same exact thing every time I start Explore (Right click Start and left click on Explore)...Mark NU6X -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 3:25 PM To: FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz Subject: [Flexradio] Sudden interruption of service Here is the setup. Athlon AMD 64x2 w/ 2 gig memory. Windows XP. Delta 44 soundcard. Parallel port. Mode = CW Keying via SDR. Software = 1.6.2 or SVN 693 Sampling = 96k or 48k. DMA Buffer = 256 or 512 Audio Buffer size = 256 or 512 DSP Buffer = 2048 or 1024 Process priority = normal, above normal, high or real time Here is the problem: Sudden click is heard in the SDR1000 rig and the panadapter shows all signals have disappeared. No power out w/ transmit or tune. Returns to normal, by toggling to standby then back to on. My lights are not blinking. Seems random and not related to anything I am doing, as occurred while sitting here reading my latest issue of QST. I have tried all variations of those parameters noted above. Happens if Console is running alone or if other programs are running. My parallel port says allow no interrupts. Any clues or suggestions. I hve searched the knowledge base and the reflector, but haven't found solution to this problem. What say you? Tnx. 73/Crit/K4BXN PS If my name/call seem familiar this is not my first request for help. All my previous transmit problems have been solved w/ a new IC chip. Also my firebox may have been bad as well, it is off to be checked out by Presonus. ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
Re: [Flexradio] Scanning?
I wonder what it is about the SDR-1000 since it is common for most transceivers to have a scanning function? 73 Ross K9COX -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Willi Reppel Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 9:20 AM To: Stig Rasmussen; FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Scanning? Stig, So far I heard rules of the US FCC (Federal Commission of Communication) do not allow scanning of radio transmissions and Flex Radio had to remove the feature. vy 73 Willi - Original Message - From: Stig Rasmussen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 2:32 PM Subject: [Flexradio] Scanning? Can someone tell me how to start scanning. In the 1.6.2 there is a Scanner-button on the front.(Greyed out, no function) In 1.6.3 SVN there is no such button as I can find. Maybe I'm blind... 73's LA4WAA - Stig - Oslo ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
Re: [Flexradio] SDR-1000 current drain
The SDR with the 100W PA will draw current because the PA is always hot. It is not switched. Make sure you note this if you have the cover off since if you get a screw driver across the wrong place you can do significant damage. The only entirely safe way yo work on the SDR is to pull the power plug. Also when the SDR is turned on, depending on what you have connected to X-15 the collectors may be low and current can be drawn. This changes when you switch PowerSDR on. Then X-15 will behave according to the check marks you hvae checked on the ext menu. Also you are measuring the fan etc. So basically what it means is that off does not mean entirely off, just mostly off, and on means entirely on. 73 W9OY __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
Re: [Flexradio] Scanning?
Here's a couple of clips from the following (long) FAQ's: http://www.timcoengr.com/FAQ/FAQ_FCC/FAQ.htm snip What is the definition of a SCANNING RECEIVER? The new definition of a scanning receiver states that a scanning receiver is a receiver that automatically switches between two or more frequencies in the range of 30-960 MHz and that is capable of stopping at and receiving a radio signal detected on a frequency. Does an AMATEUR SCANNING RECEIVER that is part of a transceiver that scans only the amateur bands have to meet the 15.121 requirements? No, the amateur radio service is considered a licensed service, therefore, a receiver used for receiving only amateur frequencies is part of a licensed station. As such, it does not meet the definition of a scanning receiver and doesn't have to comply with section 15.121. unsnip I'm no expert at FCC rules but I think the operative phrase is in the second clip used for receiving only amatuer frequencies may be why the scanner went away. I suspect certifying a radio to Part 15 could be expensive. 73, Bob K5KDN -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ross Stenberg Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 10:42 AM To: 'Willi Reppel'; 'Stig Rasmussen'; FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Scanning? I wonder what it is about the SDR-1000 since it is common for most transceivers to have a scanning function? 73 Ross K9COX -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Willi Reppel Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 9:20 AM To: Stig Rasmussen; FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Scanning? Stig, So far I heard rules of the US FCC (Federal Commission of Communication) do not allow scanning of radio transmissions and Flex Radio had to remove the feature. vy 73 Willi - Original Message - From: Stig Rasmussen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 2:32 PM Subject: [Flexradio] Scanning? Can someone tell me how to start scanning. In the 1.6.2 there is a Scanner-button on the front.(Greyed out, no function) In 1.6.3 SVN there is no such button as I can find. Maybe I'm blind... 73's LA4WAA - Stig - Oslo ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
Re: [Flexradio] Scanning?
Interesting, but most modern HF transceivers are also general coverage receiversbut then again they have FCC certification. Perhaps that is the answer. -Original Message-... From: Bob Tracy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 11:15 AM To: Ross Stenberg; 'Willi Reppel'; 'Stig Rasmussen'; FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz Subject: RE: [Flexradio] Scanning? Here's a couple of clips from the following (long) FAQ's: http://www.timcoengr.com/FAQ/FAQ_FCC/FAQ.htm snip What is the definition of a SCANNING RECEIVER? The new definition of a scanning receiver states that a scanning receiver is a receiver that automatically switches between two or more frequencies in the range of 30-960 MHz and that is capable of stopping at and receiving a radio signal detected on a frequency. Does an AMATEUR SCANNING RECEIVER that is part of a transceiver that scans only the amateur bands have to meet the 15.121 requirements? No, the amateur radio service is considered a licensed service, therefore, a receiver used for receiving only amateur frequencies is part of a licensed station. As such, it does not meet the definition of a scanning receiver and doesn't have to comply with section 15.121. unsnip I'm no expert at FCC rules but I think the operative phrase is in the second clip used for receiving only amatuer frequencies may be why the scanner went away. I suspect certifying a radio to Part 15 could be expensive. 73, Bob K5KDN -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ross Stenberg Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 10:42 AM To: 'Willi Reppel'; 'Stig Rasmussen'; FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Scanning? I wonder what it is about the SDR-1000 since it is common for most transceivers to have a scanning function? 73 Ross K9COX -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Willi Reppel Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 9:20 AM To: Stig Rasmussen; FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Scanning? Stig, So far I heard rules of the US FCC (Federal Commission of Communication) do not allow scanning of radio transmissions and Flex Radio had to remove the feature. vy 73 Willi - Original Message - From: Stig Rasmussen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 2:32 PM Subject: [Flexradio] Scanning? Can someone tell me how to start scanning. In the 1.6.2 there is a Scanner-button on the front.(Greyed out, no function) In 1.6.3 SVN there is no such button as I can find. Maybe I'm blind... 73's LA4WAA - Stig - Oslo ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
Re: [Flexradio] Scanning?
Yes, can someone explain further...? Stig -Opprinnelig melding- Fra: Ross Stenberg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 30. september 2006 17:42 Til: 'Willi Reppel'; 'Stig Rasmussen'; FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz Emne: RE: [Flexradio] Scanning? I wonder what it is about the SDR-1000 since it is common for most transceivers to have a scanning function? 73 Ross K9COX -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Willi Reppel Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 9:20 AM To: Stig Rasmussen; FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Scanning? Stig, So far I heard rules of the US FCC (Federal Commission of Communication) do not allow scanning of radio transmissions and Flex Radio had to remove the feature. vy 73 Willi - Original Message - From: Stig Rasmussen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 2:32 PM Subject: [Flexradio] Scanning? Can someone tell me how to start scanning. In the 1.6.2 there is a Scanner-button on the front.(Greyed out, no function) In 1.6.3 SVN there is no such button as I can find. Maybe I'm blind... 73's LA4WAA - Stig - Oslo ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com __ NOD32 1.1775 (20060926) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
Re: [Flexradio] Internet round trip measurements
Simon Brown (HB9DRV) wrote: 500ms sounds like a timeout value to me, I assume you're running in async mode, have the SDR-1000 set correctly on the CAT side? Simon Brown --- RSGB HF Convention October 2006: http://www.rsgb-hfc.org.uk/ - Original Message - From: David Ackrill [EMAIL PROTECTED] OK, so on a laptop I have set up two instances of Ham Radio Deluxe. One is connected to the FT817, and is running OK, the other is connected to the SDR1K, and is also running OK. This laptop is connected to the other broadband connection, to simulate me being away from home once the UK licence regulations change in December. Hi Simon, When you say async mode, do you mean a setting in HRD or PowerSDR or the fact that the broadband connection is ADSL? The broadband connection is ADSL, so the send is a lot slower than the receive at each end, this is true. However, the same is true for the connection to the FT817, but that shows a much faster round trip time on exactly the same set up. The SDR1K is set up so that it uses one port on vCOM and then HRD connects, via a linked COM port via vCOM, to another port. It works, in that changing the frequency or altering controls on the laptop then changes the settings on PowerSDR, which I can check by looking at the console on the Main PC. Dave (G0DJA) ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
Re: [Flexradio] Yes do explain!
That was one of the questions I asked before I purchased the SDR 1000 How does it compare with Win radio (as far as scanning). I was told they could not compare them because they had no knowledge of Win radio. I did not bother to ask about the scanning feature on the SDR because the information I had I presumed it had scanning software (code) in it. No one I talked to mentioned that the code for this function was taken out (I purchased 6/06). So has the code been removed from the archives never to be seen again? Could a person homebrew their own scanner as long as you followed the protocol of inclusion of only legal frequencies? I have read some of the FCC documents and saw some of the crack downs and punishment for having modified scanners to access to blocked frequencies and I for one have NO interest in getting in trouble. But I also believe if you are licensed and you have the capability to scan legal frequencies so be it. Al On 9/30/06 11:48 AM, Stig Rasmussen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, can someone explain further...? Stig -Opprinnelig melding- Fra: Ross Stenberg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 30. september 2006 17:42 Til: 'Willi Reppel'; 'Stig Rasmussen'; FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz Emne: RE: [Flexradio] Scanning? I wonder what it is about the SDR-1000 since it is common for most transceivers to have a scanning function? 73 Ross K9COX -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Willi Reppel Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 9:20 AM To: Stig Rasmussen; FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Scanning? Stig, So far I heard rules of the US FCC (Federal Commission of Communication) do not allow scanning of radio transmissions and Flex Radio had to remove the feature. vy 73 Willi - Original Message - From: Stig Rasmussen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 2:32 PM Subject: [Flexradio] Scanning? Can someone tell me how to start scanning. In the 1.6.2 there is a Scanner-button on the front.(Greyed out, no function) In 1.6.3 SVN there is no such button as I can find. Maybe I'm blind... 73's LA4WAA - Stig - Oslo ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com __ NOD32 1.1775 (20060926) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
[Flexradio] Teamspeak ??
Is teamspeak still at its regular time or is it that no one is recording and posting it? Al -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/flexradio_flex-radio.biz/attachments/20060930/96b5d3b5/attachment.html ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
Re: [Flexradio] Scanning?
That's a shame, since in the UK scanning of the Amateur bands is quite OK. Receiving out of band, unless they are commercial bands (and most of the HF/Shortwave bands are OK) is not allowed in the UK, yet, for example, 6MHz is receivable on most shortwave receivers including the SDR1K, which is not authorised for me to receive in the UK. Most HF rigs freely on sale are usually able to receive on bands that, in the UK, we are not supposed to receive on. However, I've yet to see any other manufacturer either lock out the unauthorised shortwave bands, nor have the UK authorities been known to tour round taking the Yaesu/Kenwood/Icom radios off radio amateurs or shutting down dealers who sell them. In fact, strangely enough, scanners that receive on frequencies that you cannot, as an ordinary citizen or radio amateur in the UK, get a licence for (such as airband,tTaxis, Police, the utilities etc.,) are openly for sale. The government here says that selling them and owning them is not illegal. Using them to receive on bands that you do not have the appropriate licence for is though... In fact, when the dealer did the modification to my FT817 to allow 5MHz operation for which I, along with quite a few others, have an Notice of Variation to operate on certain frequencies, then they also opened up to transmit on many others. It's usually a case of not operating where you are not allowed to or you will get caught and the gear taken off you. I have not yet heard anyone trying the defence that Yaesu/Kenwood/Icom are at fault and, even if they did, my guess would be that it was not allowed as a defence. Otherwise, cars in the UK would not be allowed to be sold that can exceed 70mph either... In my opinion, it should be up to the operator to keep to their licence conditions and not the supplier of the radio to try to be my brothers keeper. The 5MHz band example is a case in point. In the USA the restriction on maximum power is 50W, in the UK it is 200W, in the USA the only mode allowed (I believe) is SSB, but in the UK we are allowed a range of modes as long as they keep within the 3kHz channel allocation. Yet the SDR1K code, in standard format, keeps UK users to USA regulations. Plus, in the UK, all but one 5MHz frequency is different from the USA allocation and, even with the work round that Eric has kindly set up for me, the SDR1K tells me I'm 'out-of-band' on the UK frequencies. Around the corner from where I live, a friend of mine uses a radio on 35MHz to drive his home designed and made microwave transverters. The SDR1K would be useless to him, as the TX is locked out on those frequencies, even though he'd be using it only as an IF and quite legally... Dave (G0DJA) Willi Reppel wrote: Stig, So far I heard rules of the US FCC (Federal Commission of Communication) do not allow scanning of radio transmissions and Flex Radio had to remove the feature. vy 73 Willi - Original Message - From: Stig Rasmussen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 2:32 PM Subject: [Flexradio] Scanning? Can someone tell me how to start scanning. In the 1.6.2 there is a Scanner-button on the front.(Greyed out, no function) In 1.6.3 SVN there is no such button as I can find. Maybe I'm blind... 73's LA4WAA - Stig - Oslo ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
Re: [Flexradio] Scanning?
Stig, maybe someone at Flex will eventually answer your question definitively since they are the ones who should know. If it's any consolation, the scanner function was very limited in previous versions of the software anyway, so you're not losing much. You could set a low freq, high freq and step size and the radio would dutifully step through those frequencies without stopping anywhere, signal or not, squelched or not until it got to the high frequency limit. You must then press the Scanner button again if you wanted to continue. Maybe they just decided to spend the programming time elsewhere. Everything has priorities. I don't know. Just another possibility. Jeff/KA5MIR On Saturday 30 September 2006 07:32, Stig Rasmussen wrote: Can someone tell me how to start scanning. In the 1.6.2 there is a Scanner-button on the front.(Greyed out, no function) In 1.6.3 SVN there is no such button as I can find. Maybe I'm blind... 73's LA4WAA - Stig - Oslo ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
Re: [Flexradio] Yes do explain!
It really does not mean much since it is easy to add the functionality back in via CAT commands such as in Ham Radio Deluxe software. It works well with the SDR-1000 set up for Kenwood emulation. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Allen Boehm Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 12:23 PM To: FlexRadio Reflector Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Yes do explain! That was one of the questions I asked before I purchased the SDR 1000 How does it compare with Win radio (as far as scanning). I was told they could not compare them because they had no knowledge of Win radio. I did not bother to ask about the scanning feature on the SDR because the information I had I presumed it had scanning software (code) in it. No one I talked to mentioned that the code for this function was taken out (I purchased 6/06). So has the code been removed from the archives never to be seen again? Could a person homebrew their own scanner as long as you followed the protocol of inclusion of only legal frequencies? I have read some of the FCC documents and saw some of the crack downs and punishment for having modified scanners to access to blocked frequencies and I for one have NO interest in getting in trouble. But I also believe if you are licensed and you have the capability to scan legal frequencies so be it. Al On 9/30/06 11:48 AM, Stig Rasmussen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, can someone explain further...? Stig -Opprinnelig melding- Fra: Ross Stenberg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 30. september 2006 17:42 Til: 'Willi Reppel'; 'Stig Rasmussen'; FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz Emne: RE: [Flexradio] Scanning? I wonder what it is about the SDR-1000 since it is common for most transceivers to have a scanning function? 73 Ross K9COX -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Willi Reppel Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 9:20 AM To: Stig Rasmussen; FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Scanning? Stig, So far I heard rules of the US FCC (Federal Commission of Communication) do not allow scanning of radio transmissions and Flex Radio had to remove the feature. vy 73 Willi - Original Message - From: Stig Rasmussen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 2:32 PM Subject: [Flexradio] Scanning? Can someone tell me how to start scanning. In the 1.6.2 there is a Scanner-button on the front.(Greyed out, no function) In 1.6.3 SVN there is no such button as I can find. Maybe I'm blind... 73's LA4WAA - Stig - Oslo ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com __ NOD32 1.1775 (20060926) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
Re: [Flexradio] Scanning?
On 9/30/06, David Ackrill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In my opinion, it should be up to the operator to keep to their licence conditions and not the supplier of the radio to try to be my brothers keeper. That is one statement which I _strongly_ agree with Dave. I deal enough every day with those who feel they need to protect us somehow. Maybe Flex has some good reasons for this, however it does seem a bit presumptuous on the integrity of a licenced amateur radio operator, no matter where on the globe you live. Thanks for pointing this out. Brian W5AMI ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
Re: [Flexradio] Yes do explain!
Ross, Maybe some of us don't want to use any CAT stuff. This is SDR right? Software defined radio. It WAS a feature that was there only to be removed. Most every modern rig I can think of has this feature, why did Flex remove it? Money for part 15 certification? I'd think that before they come out with an SDR-X which I undertsand is not cheap, they could get part 15 certified for the SDR1K. This whole thing confuses me to no end... On 9/30/06, Ross Stenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It really does not mean much since it is easy to add the functionality back in via CAT commands such as in Ham Radio Deluxe software. It works well with the SDR-1000 set up for Kenwood emulation. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Allen Boehm Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 12:23 PM To: FlexRadio Reflector Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Yes do explain! That was one of the questions I asked before I purchased the SDR 1000 How does it compare with Win radio (as far as scanning). I was told they could not compare them because they had no knowledge of Win radio. I did not bother to ask about the scanning feature on the SDR because the information I had I presumed it had scanning software (code) in it. No one I talked to mentioned that the code for this function was taken out (I purchased 6/06). So has the code been removed from the archives never to be seen again? Could a person homebrew their own scanner as long as you followed the protocol of inclusion of only legal frequencies? I have read some of the FCC documents and saw some of the crack downs and punishment for having modified scanners to access to blocked frequencies and I for one have NO interest in getting in trouble. But I also believe if you are licensed and you have the capability to scan legal frequencies so be it. Al On 9/30/06 11:48 AM, Stig Rasmussen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, can someone explain further...? Stig -Opprinnelig melding- Fra: Ross Stenberg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 30. september 2006 17:42 Til: 'Willi Reppel'; 'Stig Rasmussen'; FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz Emne: RE: [Flexradio] Scanning? I wonder what it is about the SDR-1000 since it is common for most transceivers to have a scanning function? 73 Ross K9COX -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Willi Reppel Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 9:20 AM To: Stig Rasmussen; FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Scanning? Stig, So far I heard rules of the US FCC (Federal Commission of Communication) do not allow scanning of radio transmissions and Flex Radio had to remove the feature. vy 73 Willi - Original Message - From: Stig Rasmussen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 2:32 PM Subject: [Flexradio] Scanning? Can someone tell me how to start scanning. In the 1.6.2 there is a Scanner-button on the front.(Greyed out, no function) In 1.6.3 SVN there is no such button as I can find. Maybe I'm blind... 73's LA4WAA - Stig - Oslo ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com __ NOD32 1.1775 (20060926) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com -- There is nothing more uncommon than common sense. -- Frank Lloyd Wright ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz
Re: [Flexradio] clock ticking from sdr-1000
They have won if you are afraid to say the word Jihad, or anything related to it. People that live in fear are not free people. It take a lot more than that one word to have NSA,s computers pick up on it, and then what? Nothing since these emails contains nothing subversive. My brother and some of my relatives are in the Mafia, you need a dolly to pick up my FBI file. That is one of the reasons I moved to Arkansas to get away from them, and being constantly followed by FBI people because they thought I might be involved. Actually some of the field people were pretty nice and admitted that following me was a waste of time, but they had an assignment to do. It must have been very boring, no Internet so I was constantly going to the library during my off time to look things up. Terrorist are not going to spoil my day, I will use those and any word I need to use without fear. Don't worry, be happy! At 02:44 AM 9/30/2006, you wrote: Cecil, Good joke, but don't Shock us. Any silly search machines may connect us to a wrong group of people due to careless dirty words. 73, Ahti On 30/09/06, Cecil Bayona [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Douglas Shock wrote: Why does my SDR-1000 sound like a ticking watch when powered off? Did I get more than I ordered here? Doug / K0ZU FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com Was it shipped from the * division? -- ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com Cecil Bayona KD5NWA www.qrpradio.com 'Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level then beat you with experience.' ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
[Flexradio] Fwd: For Sale: PreSonus Firebox
fwd'ed to the flexradio reflector for those who may have missed it.. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], root [knesbitt] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I have for sale my mint condition unmolested Presonus Firebox firewire interface. Comes complete with everything as received from manufacture including, manuals, driver software, Cubase LE, Propak software suite, Sony Acid xmc. as well as the 1394 interface cable and power adapter. Simply excellent performance with the SDR-1000 (low latency cw operation in particular). $200.00 usd firm /+shipping. 73, Kirb - VE6IV -- --- End forwarded message --- ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
Re: [Flexradio] Scanning?
Stig, I have versions starting with 1.01 on file. Let me know what version you would like to have, I am sure I still have it.. 73, Dudley WA5QPZ At 07:32 AM 9/30/2006, Stig Rasmussen wrote: Can someone tell me how to start scanning. In the 1.6.2 there is a Scanner-button on the front.(Greyed out, no function) In 1.6.3 SVN there is no such button as I can find. Maybe I'm blind... 73's LA4WAA - Stig - Oslo ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
[Flexradio] Permanent signal on pan display
Just got my SDR1k and what a great radio. I have a strong permanent signal showing up on the pan display. I can't move it or get rid of it in any way. It's always there no matter what freq or band I go to. Is there any way to make it go away? Thanks, John n7dme -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/flexradio_flex-radio.biz/attachments/20060930/b4b16eaa/attachment.html -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/jpeg Size: 15942 bytes Desc: not available Url : /pipermail/flexradio_flex-radio.biz/attachments/20060930/b4b16eaa/attachment.jpe ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
Re: [Flexradio] Permanent signal on pan display
You may not have finished the calibration steps. I'll wait for the experts to email you. Did you use WWV or a good signal generator? John Bryson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just got my SDR1k and what a great radio. I have a strong permanent signal showing up on the pan display. I can't move it or get rid of it in any way. It's always there no matter what freq or band I go to. Is there any way to make it go away? Thanks, John n7dme -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/flexradio_flex-radio.biz/attachments/20060930/b4b16eaa/attachment.html -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/jpeg Size: 15942 bytes Desc: not available Url : /pipermail/flexradio_flex-radio.biz/attachments/20060930/b4b16eaa/attachment.jpe ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/flexradio_flex-radio.biz/attachments/20060930/211fb461/attachment.html ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
Re: [Flexradio] Permanent signal on pan display
Is it about 11 KHz lower than the center? If so, its probably 60 Hz hum pick up somewhere, check all your cables and such. What kind of sound card are you using? 73 - Mike WA8BXN ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
Re: [Flexradio] Permanent signal on pan display
John, Do all of the calibrations, especially the frequency and the RX Image rejection. If the signal is still there, then you need to tell use that is its offset from the main frequency. You can do this by placing the cursor on it and reading the freq. value that is at the far left had side in the Panadapter frequency read out line. If it is near -11 KHz, then what you are seeing is the DC noise of the sound card since the IF is 11.025 KHz. This is normal. BTW, what sound card are you using? -Tim --- Tim Ellison Integrated Technical Services -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Bryson Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 3:15 PM To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz Subject: [Flexradio] Permanent signal on pan display Just got my SDR1k and what a great radio. I have a strong permanent signal showing up on the pan display. I can't move it or get rid of it in any way. It's always there no matter what freq or band I go to. Is there any way to make it go away? Thanks, John n7dme -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/flexradio_flex-radio.biz/attachments/20060930/b4b16eaa/attach ment.html -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/jpeg Size: 15942 bytes Desc: not available Url : /pipermail/flexradio_flex-radio.biz/attachments/20060930/b4b16eaa/attach ment.jpe ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
Re: [Flexradio] Scanning?
Stig, It was removed in SVN 566. Flex has never given an official reason (at least not one I can I can find in the reflector archives), but I assume it was regulatory in nature and they were motivated to remove the feature for whatever the reasons. Obviously any one with the IDE and using SVN 565/566 as a reference can put it back in, at their own risk, of course. -Tim --- Tim Ellison Integrated Technical Services -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stig Rasmussen Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 8:33 AM To: FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz Subject: [Flexradio] Scanning? Can someone tell me how to start scanning. In the 1.6.2 there is a Scanner-button on the front.(Greyed out, no function) In 1.6.3 SVN there is no such button as I can find. Maybe I'm blind... 73's LA4WAA - Stig - Oslo ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
Re: [Flexradio] Erlang, my first steps
Well it's been a while but - now I'm having fun - although the last month has been a roller-coaster ride. Many times, sometimes more than once in the same day giving up seemed a really good option, then a small breakthrough would spur me on a little further. I don't know how much time I have spent on this because I do have a day job but I suspect more time than I should have. I'm not going to make this technical. I will do a writeup later and post it on my web site. Suffice it to say I am sitting here listening to my Erlang distributed radio. It's not quite the architecture I envisaged at the start but I like it... rather a lot. It's running in 3 nodes, two are pure C using the Erlang ei library and the other is native Erlang. Node 1 is a thin GTK+ UI. Node 2 is the application implemented with a state machine and Node 3, the Erlang node, I have called the switcher. Node 1 is completely dumb, it sends events and receives updates, it absolutely never does anything of it's own accord. Node 2 knows what to do to implement an event. Node 3 knows how to route messages and is the message switching hub. I didn't want a hub topology as I had peer-to-peer in mind but in the end after failing on my initial design it looked the best way forward. Having done it I think it separates out the 'what to do' (Node 2) and the 'where to get it done' (Node 3) quite nicely. My real fear was performance, longer message path and potential bottleneck. The performance has literally astounded me. My acid test is running the pointer over the tuning digits which grow when the cursor is over the digit. I can't beat the system it's absolutely as responsive as it was when it was all C in the same executable. All running on my 2.4GHz m/c DSP takes 2% and the rest is not measurable. If I scroll frequency up and down fast or run over the digits I can get the UI to take 2%. I'm not sending display data right now and that will be the teller but indications are it shouldn't be a problem. Erlang is very stable, very fast and very concise. I'm well impressed. My Erlang switcher is just over 50 lines of code. It's a start-up monitor, a registry and a store and forward switch. It will cope with an arbitrary number of nodes. In my books that's impressive in 50 lines. Ok, it needs to grow up a bit, well, quite a lot but it does the job. The thing that kept me going was the possibilities that kept popping into my head that this would open up. 1. Obviously the hardware controller and DSP can be placed at C nodes. Currently these are directly attached to the state machine. You can of course have multiple of these as the switcher only need resolve who the messages are for. 2. The UI can be distributed. There is no need for the UI to all run as the same piece of code. Heck, the pieces don't even need to be the same language or run on the same machine. There would be no overhead at all in splitting the UI up. 3. A ready made plug-in architecture. A bit of boiler-plate code and pieces of UI can be made as separate nodes (or anything else for that matter). How about a scanner, a memory bank, a special display or tuning control. 4. A prime candidate for a node is CAT. If the CAT sends change frequency to the switcher, messages end up at the UI to update the frequency and the controller to set the frequency because that's what the state machine does when it gets that event. 5. Another prime candidate is a scripting node. This would let you write small programs preferably in Erlang to run the radio for special purposes. The infrastructure is there, the API is there because it's that same set of events the state machine can respond to. 6. Easy to distribute across machines (of course). This is the next thing I want to do. 7. Everything is potentially cross-platform. Next but one thing to try. 8. Can be expanded to spoke and hub topology to spread the switching load should it become too high. I do believe I'm going to stop playing infrastructure now and work on function (no - really, this time). I've only scratched the surface of Erlang so I'm looking forward to learning what it can really do. It is still first steps but I'm walking a little faster. Thanks to Frank and Bob for pointing things in this direction. I was sceptical, and to be honest remained sceptical virtually until I had it working, always expecting that stopper than would render everything useless. Happily nearly all the problems were self-inflicted. 73 Bob G3UKB On Sat, 2006-09-02 at 16:18 -0400, Robert McGwier wrote: Bob Cowdery wrote: On Sat, 2006-09-02 at 14:55 -0400, Robert McGwier wrote: Unfortunately my work is much more mundane and radio is just a hobby. I think a lot of the work you and Frank do is well beyond my understanding but it is important that I and others can question things and get reasoned answers. I think this and the previous thread I had with Frank has increased my knowledge 100% and I feel much more comfortable with the
Re: [Flexradio] Scanning?
Be aware that if you put it back in the Mattress Police will come after you. You know, the guys that enforce the laws when you remove that little label on a mattress or a pillow that says not to be removed under pain of law. First thing I do is rip off that little label out, oh my I have admitted in a public forum that I'm a wanton criminal, they are probably on their way as we speak. They are coming to take me away, hihi, they are coming to take me away,haha. Hihi haha, to the funny farm where life is beautiful all the time. It's a gorgeous day here in NW Arkansas, I've better enjoy it while I can. Tim Ellison wrote: Stig, It was removed in SVN 566. Flex has never given an official reason (at least not one I can I can find in the reflector archives), but I assume it was regulatory in nature and they were motivated to remove the feature for whatever the reasons. Obviously any one with the IDE and using SVN 565/566 as a reference can put it back in, at their own risk, of course. -Tim --- Tim Ellison Integrated Technical Services -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stig Rasmussen Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 8:33 AM To: FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz Subject: [Flexradio] Scanning? Can someone tell me how to start scanning. In the 1.6.2 there is a Scanner-button on the front.(Greyed out, no function) In 1.6.3 SVN there is no such button as I can find. Maybe I'm blind... 73's LA4WAA - Stig - Oslo -- Cecil KD5NWA www.qrpradio.com www.hpsdr.com Sacred Cows make the best Hamburger! Don Seglio Batuna ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
Re: [Flexradio] Scanning?
Hello all, Tim is correct. Simply put, scanning is a regulatory issue that determines which rules the radio falls under. Gerald Gerald Youngblood, K5SDR FlexRadio Systems Ph: 512-535-5266 Fax: 512-233-5143 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: www.flex-radio.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim Ellison Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 2:52 PM To: Stig Rasmussen; FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Scanning? Stig, It was removed in SVN 566. Flex has never given an official reason (at least not one I can I can find in the reflector archives), but I assume it was regulatory in nature and they were motivated to remove the feature for whatever the reasons. Obviously any one with the IDE and using SVN 565/566 as a reference can put it back in, at their own risk, of course. -Tim --- Tim Ellison Integrated Technical Services -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stig Rasmussen Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 8:33 AM To: FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz Subject: [Flexradio] Scanning? Can someone tell me how to start scanning. In the 1.6.2 there is a Scanner-button on the front.(Greyed out, no function) In 1.6.3 SVN there is no such button as I can find. Maybe I'm blind... 73's LA4WAA - Stig - Oslo ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
Re: [Flexradio] Erlang, my first steps
Rule based languages are simply awesome once you get your brain to accept how they work, and you stop trying to program them how you would normally do with languages such as C. All the most complicated programs that simple worked great that I wrote were done with declarative languages such as Prolog. Yet they were very simple and easy to understand. Which is one reason I love Prolog. But Erlang with it's messaging capacity has so much more potential. Glad to see that you are having fun with it, the beauty is that if written according to Erlang methods those modules could be in different PC's with different OS's and everything would work just peachy. Let us know when you update your website. Bob Cowdery wrote: Well it's been a while but - now I'm having fun - although the last month has been a roller-coaster ride. Many times, sometimes more than once in the same day giving up seemed a really good option, then a small breakthrough would spur me on a little further. I don't know how much time I have spent on this because I do have a day job but I suspect more time than I should have. I'm not going to make this technical. I will do a writeup later and post it on my web site. Suffice it to say I am sitting here listening to my Erlang distributed radio. It's not quite the architecture I envisaged at the start but I like it... rather a lot. It's running in 3 nodes, two are pure C using the Erlang ei library and the other is native Erlang. Node 1 is a thin GTK+ UI. Node 2 is the application implemented with a state machine and Node 3, the Erlang node, I have called the switcher. Node 1 is completely dumb, it sends events and receives updates, it absolutely never does anything of it's own accord. Node 2 knows what to do to implement an event. Node 3 knows how to route messages and is the message switching hub. I didn't want a hub topology as I had peer-to-peer in mind but in the end after failing on my initial design it looked the best way forward. Having done it I think it separates out the 'what to do' (Node 2) and the 'where to get it done' (Node 3) quite nicely. My real fear was performance, longer message path and potential bottleneck. The performance has literally astounded me. My acid test is running the pointer over the tuning digits which grow when the cursor is over the digit. I can't beat the system it's absolutely as responsive as it was when it was all C in the same executable. All running on my 2.4GHz m/c DSP takes 2% and the rest is not measurable. If I scroll frequency up and down fast or run over the digits I can get the UI to take 2%. I'm not sending display data right now and that will be the teller but indications are it shouldn't be a problem. Erlang is very stable, very fast and very concise. I'm well impressed. My Erlang switcher is just over 50 lines of code. It's a start-up monitor, a registry and a store and forward switch. It will cope with an arbitrary number of nodes. In my books that's impressive in 50 lines. Ok, it needs to grow up a bit, well, quite a lot but it does the job. The thing that kept me going was the possibilities that kept popping into my head that this would open up. 1. Obviously the hardware controller and DSP can be placed at C nodes. Currently these are directly attached to the state machine. You can of course have multiple of these as the switcher only need resolve who the messages are for. 2. The UI can be distributed. There is no need for the UI to all run as the same piece of code. Heck, the pieces don't even need to be the same language or run on the same machine. There would be no overhead at all in splitting the UI up. 3. A ready made plug-in architecture. A bit of boiler-plate code and pieces of UI can be made as separate nodes (or anything else for that matter). How about a scanner, a memory bank, a special display or tuning control. 4. A prime candidate for a node is CAT. If the CAT sends change frequency to the switcher, messages end up at the UI to update the frequency and the controller to set the frequency because that's what the state machine does when it gets that event. 5. Another prime candidate is a scripting node. This would let you write small programs preferably in Erlang to run the radio for special purposes. The infrastructure is there, the API is there because it's that same set of events the state machine can respond to. 6. Easy to distribute across machines (of course). This is the next thing I want to do. 7. Everything is potentially cross-platform. Next but one thing to try. 8. Can be expanded to spoke and hub topology to spread the switching load should it become too high. I do believe I'm going to stop playing infrastructure now and work on function (no - really, this time). I've only scratched the surface of Erlang so I'm looking forward to learning what it can really do. It is still first steps but I'm walking a little faster. Thanks to
Re: [Flexradio] Scanning?
Gerald, That answer is a little vague for me. Can you be more specific? I would like to look up the (legal) reference. I am not aware of anything in Federal Regulation or Law that prevents scanning receivers or transceivers. It is one of the most common implementations in commercial and amateur gear. There is barely a piece of commercial two way radio gear out there would even function if it did not have a scanning receiver tracking control and trunking channels. The decision to take scanning out of the SDR was done by Flex, and the reasons have always been very vague. If you would like to see examples of scanning receivers and amateur trancievers with scanning, you can drop by my shack anytime. IC 746, FT-60R, various AORs (capable of truck tracking), numerous programmable HT Mots, etc, etc. All these radios have FCC approval. -K6KDK - Original Message - From: Gerald Youngblood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Tim Ellison' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Stig Rasmussen' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 2:22 PM Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Scanning? Hello all, Tim is correct. Simply put, scanning is a regulatory issue that determines which rules the radio falls under. Gerald Gerald Youngblood, K5SDR FlexRadio Systems Ph: 512-535-5266 Fax: 512-233-5143 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: www.flex-radio.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim Ellison Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 2:52 PM To: Stig Rasmussen; FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Scanning? Stig, It was removed in SVN 566. Flex has never given an official reason (at least not one I can I can find in the reflector archives), but I assume it was regulatory in nature and they were motivated to remove the feature for whatever the reasons. Obviously any one with the IDE and using SVN 565/566 as a reference can put it back in, at their own risk, of course. -Tim --- Tim Ellison Integrated Technical Services -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stig Rasmussen Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 8:33 AM To: FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz Subject: [Flexradio] Scanning? Can someone tell me how to start scanning. In the 1.6.2 there is a Scanner-button on the front.(Greyed out, no function) In 1.6.3 SVN there is no such button as I can find. Maybe I'm blind... 73's LA4WAA - Stig - Oslo ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
Re: [Flexradio] Scanning? Explanation
Hello Gerald, With all do respect I don't presume to speak for anyone else, but I was looking for an explanation and maybe some one that has been a Ham longer that myself (that would probably cover a lot of people) to point me in the right direction where we could at least read an in depth explanation and glimmer a better understanding of why or radios on the market have this feature and the SDR does not. You can buy a win radio receiver that is an sdr scanner. So I hope you will pardon my ineptness on the subject an offer an explanation I can understand or point me to a place where I can read the material and come to my own conclusion. Thanks for your time. 73 -- Allen Boehm KE5EUP http://www.allenboehm.com http://www.KE5EUP.com http://www.funtronix.com On 9/30/06 4:22 PM, Gerald Youngblood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello all, Tim is correct. Simply put, scanning is a regulatory issue that determines which rules the radio falls under. Gerald Gerald Youngblood, K5SDR FlexRadio Systems Ph: 512-535-5266 Fax: 512-233-5143 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: www.flex-radio.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim Ellison Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 2:52 PM To: Stig Rasmussen; FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Scanning? Stig, It was removed in SVN 566. Flex has never given an official reason (at least not one I can I can find in the reflector archives), but I assume it was regulatory in nature and they were motivated to remove the feature for whatever the reasons. Obviously any one with the IDE and using SVN 565/566 as a reference can put it back in, at their own risk, of course. -Tim --- Tim Ellison Integrated Technical Services -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stig Rasmussen Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 8:33 AM To: FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz Subject: [Flexradio] Scanning? Can someone tell me how to start scanning. In the 1.6.2 there is a Scanner-button on the front.(Greyed out, no function) In 1.6.3 SVN there is no such button as I can find. Maybe I'm blind... 73's LA4WAA - Stig - Oslo ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
Re: [Flexradio] 144Mhz Tvtr and SDR-1000
HI Ralph, I am using the DownEast 144 converter and as Steve at DEMI told me, it needs a preamp and after installing, SDR seems to hear/work ok. I have done some contesting and been satisfied with results. I also have a DEMI 40 watt amp and X2 antenna switching control works all ok. I did not see need to recal. Mike KM0T has a lot of VHF/UHF experience with SDR, you might check his web site www.km0t.com Mel, K0PFX - Original Message - From: Ralph Bird [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 4:58 PM Subject: [Flexradio] 144Mhz Tvtr and SDR-1000 Another newbie! I wonder if anyone on the reflector is using the DEM 144Mhz tvtr with the SDR-1000. I received the tvtr this morning an installed it without any problems. I use DB6NT transverters for the microwave bands. As my FT290/IC202S are getting a bit long in the tooth like me. I thought of this as my answer. I find on HF the CW facilities are excellent and on switch on this evening with the transverter, I felt the gain was down a little though I am receiving beacons on 6cm with it. Does one have to do a re-setting of the image calibration etc again, if so, do you do it on 28Mhz or 144Mhz. Also does anyone use this system with DB6NT transverters switching them with voltage up the coax as apposed to hard switching. Do you use a bias T or what please. 73 Ralph G4ALY ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
Re: [Flexradio] Scanning?
At 12:52 PM 9/30/2006, Tim Ellison wrote: Stig, It was removed in SVN 566. Flex has never given an official reason (at least not one I can I can find in the reflector archives), but I assume it was regulatory in nature and they were motivated to remove the feature for whatever the reasons. Obviously any one with the IDE and using SVN 565/566 as a reference can put it back in, at their own risk, of course. And, then, why not post it back as a new update? ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
Re: [Flexradio] Scanning?
At 02:49 PM 9/30/2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gerald, That answer is a little vague for me. Can you be more specific? I would like to look up the (legal) reference. I am not aware of anything in Federal Regulation or Law that prevents scanning receivers or transceivers. It is one of the most common implementations in commercial and amateur gear. There is barely a piece of commercial two way radio gear out there would even function if it did not have a scanning receiver tracking control and trunking channels. The decision to take scanning out of the SDR was done by Flex, and the reasons have always been very vague. If you would like to see examples of scanning receivers and amateur trancievers with scanning, you can drop by my shack anytime. IC 746, FT-60R, various AORs (capable of truck tracking), numerous programmable HT Mots, etc, etc. All these radios have FCC approval. And, does the SDR1000 have FCC registration and approval? (presumably you are referring to what the FCC calls Equipment Authorization) I think not, inasmuch as you can't find it in the FCC databases. I got my SDR-1000s in pre-enclosure days as board stacks, which is a pretty unregulated area. One of you with a SDR1000 in a factory enclosure, look for a FCC sticker..either with a registration number or the usual Part 15, Cannot interfere, must accept interference But... you should know that the rules are not as unambiguous as might appear. There's a lot of interpretation involved. I know from personal experience that there are sophisticated radio devices with embedded software that you can build and sell that might result in a visit or phone call from your friendly government representative with some comments along the lines of It would be nice if you did X, because otherwise, you might fit into category Y, or, at least, you'll have to supply gargantuan amounts of documentation to prove otherwise. Sure, if you have substantial legal resources you could go through all the process to convince them that your interpretation is right, but most radio designers I know would rather spend their money on engineering than lawyers. With Software Defined Radios, it's going to be a whole wild can of worms, because the usual ways of limiting a piece of hardware to doing only emissions (frequency, bandwidth, etc.) it's supposed to don't work. Load new software, and whoops, you're radiating a different kind of signal in a different band, etc. I find it fascinating that the vast majority of SDRs with Equipment Authorizations are from Cisco, which is not what one would think of as a traditional radio vendor. By the way, the FCC has been really cracking down on for export only sorts of things. Granted it seems to be for things like cellular jammers and video transmitters, but with software radios, it's obvious that one could trivially load the export only version of the software, particularly where the multiple versions are widely distributed, in source code. Let's just assume that Gerald has better things to do with his time and money than fight off the FCC. If you think that the rules lack clarity (either on the paper, or in interpretation), then you can ask the FCC to change, or talk to your elected representatives. Jim ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
Re: [Flexradio] Scanning? Explanation
At 03:24 PM 9/30/2006, Allen Boehm wrote: Hello Gerald, With all do respect I don't presume to speak for anyone else, but I was looking for an explanation and maybe some one that has been a Ham longer that myself (that would probably cover a lot of people) to point me in the right direction where we could at least read an in depth explanation and glimmer a better understanding of why or radios on the market have this feature and the SDR does not. The WinRadio is more like a conventional scanner (like the Icom PCR100,PCR1000,PCR1500 series), that just happens to be in form factor that allows it to plug into a PC. Yes, it's a software radio inside, but the DSP code isn't open, nor is it user modifiable. You have to get the code from Winradio. This allows them to control operating features (e.g. not scanning cellular). The SDR1000 and PowerSDR, being an open source radio, is pretty easy for users to modify. Heck, modification is encouraged. A closer approximation of the WinRadio model would be the TenTec DSP radios, which are also closed architectures. You can buy a win radio receiver that is an sdr scanner. So I hope you will pardon my ineptness on the subject an offer an explanation I can understand or point me to a place where I can read the material and come to my own conclusion. Thanks for your time. 73 ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
[Flexradio] more on WinRadio
just in case you're hunting for WinRadio, their FCC id is HNL (Robotron Pty, Ltd) Of some interest to the discussion on scanning: https://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/oet/forms/blobs/retrieve.cgi?attachment_id=642081native_or_pdf=pdf which is their attestation on why it meets 15.121 Their earlier radios have similar attestations.. James Lux, P.E. Spacecraft Radio Frequency Subsystems Group Flight Communications Systems Section Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Mail Stop 161-213 4800 Oak Grove Drive Pasadena CA 91109 tel: (818)354-2075 fax: (818)393-6875 ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
Re: [Flexradio] Erlang, my first steps
Sigh. Once again, G3UKB laps the field. Is it getting a little lonely out there, being so far ahead of pack? :-) Very fine work, Bob. 73 Frank AB2KT Bob Cowdery wrote: Well it's been a while but - now I'm having fun - although the last month has been a roller-coaster ride. Many times, sometimes more than once in the same day giving up seemed a really good option, then a small breakthrough would spur me on a little further. I don't know how much time I have spent on this because I do have a day job but I suspect more time than I should have. I'm not going to make this technical. I will do a writeup later and post it on my web site. Suffice it to say I am sitting here listening to my Erlang distributed radio. It's not quite the architecture I envisaged at the start but I like it... rather a lot. It's running in 3 nodes, two are pure C using the Erlang ei library and the other is native Erlang. Node 1 is a thin GTK+ UI. Node 2 is the application implemented with a state machine and Node 3, the Erlang node, I have called the switcher. Node 1 is completely dumb, it sends events and receives updates, it absolutely never does anything of it's own accord. Node 2 knows what to do to implement an event. Node 3 knows how to route messages and is the message switching hub. I didn't want a hub topology as I had peer-to-peer in mind but in the end after failing on my initial design it looked the best way forward. Having done it I think it separates out the 'what to do' (Node 2) and the 'where to get it done' (Node 3) quite nicely. My real fear was performance, longer message path and potential bottleneck. The performance has literally astounded me. My acid test is running the pointer over the tuning digits which grow when the cursor is over the digit. I can't beat the system it's absolutely as responsive as it was when it was all C in the same executable. All running on my 2.4GHz m/c DSP takes 2% and the rest is not measurable. If I scroll frequency up and down fast or run over the digits I can get the UI to take 2%. I'm not sending display data right now and that will be the teller but indications are it shouldn't be a problem. Erlang is very stable, very fast and very concise. I'm well impressed. My Erlang switcher is just over 50 lines of code. It's a start-up monitor, a registry and a store and forward switch. It will cope with an arbitrary number of nodes. In my books that's impressive in 50 lines. Ok, it needs to grow up a bit, well, quite a lot but it does the job. The thing that kept me going was the possibilities that kept popping into my head that this would open up. 1. Obviously the hardware controller and DSP can be placed at C nodes. Currently these are directly attached to the state machine. You can of course have multiple of these as the switcher only need resolve who the messages are for. 2. The UI can be distributed. There is no need for the UI to all run as the same piece of code. Heck, the pieces don't even need to be the same language or run on the same machine. There would be no overhead at all in splitting the UI up. 3. A ready made plug-in architecture. A bit of boiler-plate code and pieces of UI can be made as separate nodes (or anything else for that matter). How about a scanner, a memory bank, a special display or tuning control. 4. A prime candidate for a node is CAT. If the CAT sends change frequency to the switcher, messages end up at the UI to update the frequency and the controller to set the frequency because that's what the state machine does when it gets that event. 5. Another prime candidate is a scripting node. This would let you write small programs preferably in Erlang to run the radio for special purposes. The infrastructure is there, the API is there because it's that same set of events the state machine can respond to. 6. Easy to distribute across machines (of course). This is the next thing I want to do. 7. Everything is potentially cross-platform. Next but one thing to try. 8. Can be expanded to spoke and hub topology to spread the switching load should it become too high. I do believe I'm going to stop playing infrastructure now and work on function (no - really, this time). I've only scratched the surface of Erlang so I'm looking forward to learning what it can really do. It is still first steps but I'm walking a little faster. Thanks to Frank and Bob for pointing things in this direction. I was sceptical, and to be honest remained sceptical virtually until I had it working, always expecting that stopper than would render everything useless. Happily nearly all the problems were self-inflicted. 73 Bob G3UKB On Sat, 2006-09-02 at 16:18 -0400, Robert McGwier wrote: Bob Cowdery wrote: On Sat, 2006-09-02 at 14:55 -0400, Robert McGwier wrote: Unfortunately my work is much more mundane and radio is just a hobby. I think a lot of the work you and Frank do is well
Re: [Flexradio] Erlang, my first steps
Lap the field?!? Hell some of us have not even made it to the starting blocks on this one yet! FB Bob -- you're one of the pioneers. Cheers, Bill (kd5tfd) At 06:55 PM 9/30/2006, Frank Brickle wrote: Sigh. Once again, G3UKB laps the field. Is it getting a little lonely out there, being so far ahead of pack? :-) Very fine work, Bob. 73 Frank AB2KT ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
[Flexradio] Sudden interruption of service
I've commented on this in the past. Last February I gave a solution to the problem. At that time I was more concerned about the SDR dropping out on TX, but it also took care of the RX. Here's an update. The root cause is due to false triggering of the data latches that connect to the parallel port connector in the SDR1000. I replaced the supplied parallel with another that was about 3/4 inch in diameter and that made things better. Ran a heavy ground wire from the PC to the SDR and that made things better. Better yes, eliminated no. In my case the solution was ten cents worth of parts. See below. I no longer have 'ANY ISSUES' with the SDR1000 dropping out from too much RF (500W reflected) or from AC/Magnetic transients. I can turn on florescent lamps next to the SDR and I can set my old Weller soldering gun right on the cabinet and click it's trigger like crazy with no affect to the SDR. Before my fix, turning on just about anything inductive in the shack would silence the SDR. BTW parallel ports can be configured to operate in a few different modes. The setup is usually accessed in the PC BIOS. You may be able to find a mode that works better than the one you're currently using. Take a look at the bug report 'Mouse Wheel Makes Audio Clicks' or some such thing. It Just Keeps Getting' Better, John k2ox Here's an excerpt from February's Reflector Toggling On/Standby brings everything back to life. The SDR has four latches in different two flavors. One type for the DDS chip(LCX) and another(AC) for band switches and external control. I found that the 74AC574S latches were being falsely triggered by the RF/glitch combination. I put a small LPT extender board on the back of the SDR1000 and used two 0.01uF caps to bypass pins 1(C0\) and 14(C1\) to pins 18-25(gnd). The RF plus these little glitches were adding together and causing the false triggers. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/flexradio_flex-radio.biz/attachments/20060930/6417624c/attachment.html ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
[Flexradio] Selling the SDR 1000 - Some Suggestions
I returned to Ham Radio after 28 years off and had no working equipment so I kept my purchases very simple. I installed antennas with a DX Eng. Balun and connected it to an AL-82 and my SDR. Everyone reports, 'Great Audio and Signal' and want to know what I'm using. Once I tell them they say they've read about it and would like to see pictures. I send them screen shots of the SVN 692 with their signal in the band scope. This totally impresses them. Then they want to see the radio. Therein lies the rub. It's just a black box with a switch and fan grill. This is very disappointing. On something that sounds so good, they really expect to see lots of buttons, switches, flashing lights and big knobs on a Orion size radio box. I suggest that the SDR's case be enlarged so to include space for an Astron 33 P/S, a stereo amp, speakers, two headphone and code key jacks. Perhaps model it after the TS2000 with so many buttons, switches, lights and meters and knobs as to confuse anyone. Also throw on some power-out, SWR and voltage meters. Then offer at additional cost the PowerSDR software. That should deliver an impressive picture. (I'm still having a lot of fun with the SDR) Jerry -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/flexradio_flex-radio.biz/attachments/20060930/d98e978f/attachment.html ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
Re: [Flexradio] Scanning?
snip== - Original Message - From: Jim Lux [EMAIL PROTECTED] With Software Defined Radios, it's going to be a whole wild can of worms, because the usual ways of limiting a piece of hardware to doing only emissions (frequency, bandwidth, etc.) it's supposed to don't work. Load new software, and whoops, you're radiating a different kind of signal in a different band, etc ==end snip= well, at the risk of biting into a troll (most of them have a distinct bitter taste, but every once in a while you get a good one), I'll respond to 'ya Jim. so here it is in a nut-shell: 1.) We're not radiating anything here. we are wondering what happened to the receive scan function . 2.) There is a question the table to Flex, Why 3.) ...so far no response. -K6KDK ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
