Re: [Flexradio] TOO DAMNED MUCH

2013-02-23 Thread Mike
A tad different on an iPhone OM :-)
It only takes one second of thought and consideration ... nothing more :-)

On 22/02/13 22:33, Jack Haverty. wrote:

 Another option is to get email software that is more suited to your
 personal needs.

 I happen to use GMail, and I'm quite happy with it.  One of it's nice
 features is that it automatically collapses things like previous
 messages that people include in a message, so that you don't see them
 by default.  They appear as Previous messages, and if you click on
 that phrase the text pops into view.  If not, you just see only the
 most recent message text.

 Many people like to have the previous messages included, so that they
 can easily see the whole conversation without having to dig around in
 old saved messages (if indeed you saved them at all).

 The inclusion of the previous messages isn't a perfect solution at
 all, but if your mail reading software is slightly clever it won't
 force to you to actually see all that old stuff unless you really want to.

 Perhaps if you're unhappy with the way your email software behaves,
 you could ask your software vendor why they don't provide that
 capability

 73,
 /Jack de K3FIV




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Re: [Flexradio] TOO DAMNED MUCH

2013-02-23 Thread Tim Ellison, W4TME
What Rod has suggested is good reflector etiquette.  This stated as such 
in the FlexRadio Reflector Rules and Guidelines that everyone implicitly 
accepted when you joined the reflector.  A quick refresher might be 
worthwhile 
(http://www.flexradio.com/Support.aspx?topic=Reflector_Guidelines)


For users replying back to a post that receive their reflector messages 
in digest format note that there are two sections of the FlexRadio 
Reflector Rules and Guidelines that are most applicable.  Here are the 
excerpts:


VERY IMPORTANT: Please keep the amount of copied text from previous 
posts to an ABSOLUTE MINIMUM in your replies.  Always delete everything 
from the prior post except what is necessary to keep your reply in 
context. Most copied messages can be reduced to one to three sentences 
to retain context.  Remember to delete the email list footer from the 
previous post.


Also with digest posts, the post subject line is not reflective of the 
topic, so the following is applicable:


Sometimes you want to reply to a message but change the topic of 
discussion. When you do that, you should always change the subject line; 
if you don't, people following the thread will be confused when your 
message doesn't match its subject.


And while I am on it, some of the replies to Rod's post were a little 
out of line as well.  Please refer to the following:


*** Please keep all postings cordial *** Restrain the urge to e-mail 
someone admonishing them about a posting. The last thing we want to do 
is to offend anyone from using the Reflectors due to discourteous and 
harmful postings.  [snip] Enthusiastic arguments and constructive 
criticism is encouraged, but please keep everything cordial and 
friendly.  Members who verbally attack another (either via the list or 
via direct email) will be moderated or removed from the reflector. 


Thanks for your time for me to remind everyone of the reflector guidelines.

Have a great weekend and remember to get on the air and have some fun.  
That is what hobbies are all about.


Tim Ellison, W4TME
Product Management, Sales  Support
FlexRadio Systems^(TM)
4616 W Howard Ln, Suite 1-150
Austin, TX 78728
Phone: 512-535-4713 Ext. 223
Email: t...@flexradio.com mailto:t...@flexradio.com
Web: www.flexradio.com http://www.flexradio.com

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On 2/22/2013 1:31 AM, Rod Lane wrote:

I really like this reflector, and I get a lot of good information here.  I'm
a 3000 owner and this group has really enhanced my experience with the
radio

  


But,  I get this list in digest mode.

  


That means if you're getting a digest feed and don't clip the reply text
from your message, I end up getting HUNDREDS of lines of text in the message
then it gets almost impossible to find the message I want out of the pile of
old stuff that's included in seemingly EVERY digest pack.

  


PLEASE don't be so lazy that you can't trim your replies.  It makes it
almost impossible to read on a Smartphone and the messages themselves end up
being over 1 MB each.

  


Thanks

  


Rod Lane, N1FNE

  


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Re: [Flexradio] TOO DAMNED MUCH

2013-02-23 Thread Dave Movius
Tim et. al.,

Thanks for the timely and appropriate guidance on reflector etiquette.  Good 
reminders for all participants.

Dave W7IWW
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Re: [Flexradio] TOO DAMNED MUCH

2013-02-23 Thread Brian Lloyd
Actually, I lay the bulk of this problem at the feet of the digest
option. It means that, you get many messages as a single email message and
when you press the reply button, you get many messages included in your
reply. Given that every current mail user application (MUA) threads
messages (combines all the message on a single topic together in a
thread), there really is no need for the digest mode. So, at the rist of
being annoying to the users of the digest mode, I would suggest that they
are their own worst enemy by continuing with the digest. Switching back to
the standard of individual messages and then letting their MUA deal
properly with messages on a common topic would go a long way toward
eliminating their problem.

I know that when I see a message come with a subject of Flex Radio Digest
I know that it is going to contain about 1% useful information and 99% of
messages that were included that have nothing to do with the topic. (Not to
mention that the subject field no longer contains useful information that
would allow me to know what the topic of the message is.)

Tim: consider this my request that you discontinue support for digest
messages.

-- 
Brian Lloyd, WB6RQN/J79BPL
3191 Western Dr.
Cameron Park, CA 95682
br...@lloyd.com
+1.767.617.1365 (Dominica)
+1.916.877.5067 (USA)
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Re: [Flexradio] TOO DAMNED MUCH

2013-02-23 Thread Michael
Well I must have something set wrong on Thunderbird. I keep up with 
several ham radio list as well as model train list and if I don't use 
digest mode I'm greeted with anywhere from 300 to 500 emails when I get 
home from work everyday.

 Only way I ever found to manage it was digest mode.
Michael, W4HIJ
On 2/23/2013 12:50 PM, Brian Lloyd wrote:

Actually, I lay the bulk of this problem at the feet of the digest
option. It means that, you get many messages as a single email message and
when you press the reply button, you get many messages included in your
reply. Given that every current mail user application (MUA) threads
messages (combines all the message on a single topic together in a
thread), there really is no need for the digest mode. So, at the rist of
being annoying to the users of the digest mode, I would suggest that they
are their own worst enemy by continuing with the digest. Switching back to
the standard of individual messages and then letting their MUA deal
properly with messages on a common topic would go a long way toward
eliminating their problem.

I know that when I see a message come with a subject of Flex Radio Digest
I know that it is going to contain about 1% useful information and 99% of
messages that were included that have nothing to do with the topic. (Not to
mention that the subject field no longer contains useful information that
would allow me to know what the topic of the message is.)

Tim: consider this my request that you discontinue support for digest
messages.




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Re: [Flexradio] TOO DAMNED MUCH

2013-02-23 Thread fbrandeber

wow, I never remember seeing 300 emails on this list in a WEEK !

Wonder what I am doing wrong?
I am using windows live email... maybe I am missing some?
Can you tell me a recent day's number that I can compare to?

Fred


-Original Message- 
From: Michael

Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 2:57 PM
To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz
Subject: Re: [Flexradio] TOO DAMNED MUCH

Well I must have something set wrong on Thunderbird. I keep up with
several ham radio list as well as model train list and if I don't use
digest mode I'm greeted with anywhere from 300 to 500 emails when I get
home from work everyday.
 Only way I ever found to manage it was digest mode.
Michael, W4HIJ
On 2/23/2013 12:50 PM, Brian Lloyd wrote:

Actually, I lay the bulk of this problem at the feet of the digest
option. It means that, you get many messages as a single email message and
when you press the reply button, you get many messages included in your
reply. Given that every current mail user application (MUA) threads
messages (combines all the message on a single topic together in a
thread), there really is no need for the digest mode. So, at the rist of
being annoying to the users of the digest mode, I would suggest that they
are their own worst enemy by continuing with the digest. Switching back to
the standard of individual messages and then letting their MUA deal
properly with messages on a common topic would go a long way toward
eliminating their problem.

I know that when I see a message come with a subject of Flex Radio 
Digest

I know that it is going to contain about 1% useful information and 99% of
messages that were included that have nothing to do with the topic. (Not 
to

mention that the subject field no longer contains useful information that
would allow me to know what the topic of the message is.)

Tim: consider this my request that you discontinue support for digest
messages.




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Re: [Flexradio] TOO DAMNED MUCH

2013-02-23 Thread Michael

Fred,
You must have missed the part where I said that I kept up with SEVERAL 
ham radio list as well as several model train list. Digest mode is the 
simplest way for me to handle mail.

Michael,
W4HIJ

On 2/23/2013 6:03 PM, fbrandeber wrote:

wow, I never remember seeing 300 emails on this list in a WEEK !

Wonder what I am doing wrong?
I am using windows live email... maybe I am missing some?
Can you tell me a recent day's number that I can compare to?

Fred


-Original Message- From: Michael
Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 2:57 PM
To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz
Subject: Re: [Flexradio] TOO DAMNED MUCH

Well I must have something set wrong on Thunderbird. I keep up with
several ham radio list as well as model train list and if I don't use
digest mode I'm greeted with anywhere from 300 to 500 emails when I get
home from work everyday.
 Only way I ever found to manage it was digest mode.
Michael, W4HIJ
On 2/23/2013 12:50 PM, Brian Lloyd wrote:

Actually, I lay the bulk of this problem at the feet of the digest
option. It means that, you get many messages as a single email 
message and

when you press the reply button, you get many messages included in your
reply. Given that every current mail user application (MUA) threads
messages (combines all the message on a single topic together in a
thread), there really is no need for the digest mode. So, at the 
rist of
being annoying to the users of the digest mode, I would suggest that 
they
are their own worst enemy by continuing with the digest. Switching 
back to

the standard of individual messages and then letting their MUA deal
properly with messages on a common topic would go a long way toward
eliminating their problem.

I know that when I see a message come with a subject of Flex Radio 
Digest
I know that it is going to contain about 1% useful information and 
99% of
messages that were included that have nothing to do with the topic. 
(Not to
mention that the subject field no longer contains useful information 
that

would allow me to know what the topic of the message is.)

Tim: consider this my request that you discontinue support for digest
messages.




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Re: [Flexradio] TOO DAMNED MUCH

2013-02-23 Thread Tim Ellison

There were 16 on 2/21/13

Tim Ellison
On 2/23/2013 6:03 PM, fbrandeber wrote:

wow, I never remember seeing 300 emails on this list in a WEEK !

Wonder what I am doing wrong?
I am using windows live email... maybe I am missing some?
Can you tell me a recent day's number that I can compare to?

Fred


-Original Message- From: Michael
Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 2:57 PM
To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz
Subject: Re: [Flexradio] TOO DAMNED MUCH

Well I must have something set wrong on Thunderbird. I keep up with
several ham radio list as well as model train list and if I don't use
digest mode I'm greeted with anywhere from 300 to 500 emails when I get
home from work everyday.
 Only way I ever found to manage it was digest mode.
Michael, W4HIJ
On 2/23/2013 12:50 PM, Brian Lloyd wrote:

Actually, I lay the bulk of this problem at the feet of the digest
option. It means that, you get many messages as a single email 
message and

when you press the reply button, you get many messages included in your
reply. Given that every current mail user application (MUA) threads
messages (combines all the message on a single topic together in a
thread), there really is no need for the digest mode. So, at the 
rist of
being annoying to the users of the digest mode, I would suggest that 
they
are their own worst enemy by continuing with the digest. Switching 
back to

the standard of individual messages and then letting their MUA deal
properly with messages on a common topic would go a long way toward
eliminating their problem.

I know that when I see a message come with a subject of Flex Radio 
Digest
I know that it is going to contain about 1% useful information and 
99% of
messages that were included that have nothing to do with the topic. 
(Not to
mention that the subject field no longer contains useful information 
that

would allow me to know what the topic of the message is.)

Tim: consider this my request that you discontinue support for digest
messages.




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Re: [Flexradio] TOO DAMNED MUCH

2013-02-22 Thread Bill Marvin
Please, stop whining.

Bill - W1LLY


-Original Message-
From: FlexRadio [mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz] On Behalf Of Rod
Lane
Sent: Friday, February 22, 2013 1:32 AM
To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz
Subject: [Flexradio] TOO DAMNED MUCH

I really like this reflector, and I get a lot of good information here.  I'm
a 3000 owner and this group has really enhanced my experience with the
radio

 

But,  I get this list in digest mode.

 

That means if you're getting a digest feed and don't clip the reply text
from your message, I end up getting HUNDREDS of lines of text in the message
then it gets almost impossible to find the message I want out of the pile of
old stuff that's included in seemingly EVERY digest pack.  

 

PLEASE don't be so lazy that you can't trim your replies.  It makes it
almost impossible to read on a Smartphone and the messages themselves end up
being over 1 MB each.

 

Thanks

 

Rod Lane, N1FNE

 

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Re: [Flexradio] TOO DAMNED MUCH

2013-02-22 Thread Robert Logan
I second that.

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 22, 2013, at 9:00 AM, Bill Marvin bmar...@comcast.net wrote:

Please, stop whining.

Bill - W1LLY


-Original Message-
From: FlexRadio [mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz] On Behalf Of Rod
Lane
Sent: Friday, February 22, 2013 1:32 AM
To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz
Subject: [Flexradio] TOO DAMNED MUCH

I really like this reflector, and I get a lot of good information here.  I'm
a 3000 owner and this group has really enhanced my experience with the
radio



But,  I get this list in digest mode.



That means if you're getting a digest feed and don't clip the reply text
from your message, I end up getting HUNDREDS of lines of text in the message
then it gets almost impossible to find the message I want out of the pile of
old stuff that's included in seemingly EVERY digest pack.  



PLEASE don't be so lazy that you can't trim your replies.  It makes it
almost impossible to read on a Smartphone and the messages themselves end up
being over 1 MB each.



Thanks



Rod Lane, N1FNE



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Re: [Flexradio] TOO DAMNED MUCH

2013-02-22 Thread Paul Delaney - K6HR

This thread should be a real pip on your digest feed!
Maybe you should consider dropping the digest version if you're not happy
with it.

Paul Delaney - K6HR
paul.hamra...@verizon.net
http://k6hr.dyndns.org:8080 

 -Original Message-
 From: FlexRadio [mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz] On Behalf Of
 Robert Logan
 Sent: Friday, February 22, 2013 07:41
 To: Bill Marvin
 Cc: flexradio@flex-radio.biz; Rod Lane
 Subject: Re: [Flexradio] TOO DAMNED MUCH
 
 I second that.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Feb 22, 2013, at 9:00 AM, Bill Marvin bmar...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 Please, stop whining.
 
 Bill - W1LLY
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: FlexRadio [mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz] On Behalf Of Rod
 Lane
 Sent: Friday, February 22, 2013 1:32 AM
 To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz
 Subject: [Flexradio] TOO DAMNED MUCH
 
 I really like this reflector, and I get a lot of good information here.
 I'm
 a 3000 owner and this group has really enhanced my experience with the
 radio
 
 
 
 But,  I get this list in digest mode.
 
 
 
 That means if you're getting a digest feed and don't clip the reply text
 from your message, I end up getting HUNDREDS of lines of text in the
 message
 then it gets almost impossible to find the message I want out of the pile
 of
 old stuff that's included in seemingly EVERY digest pack.
 
 
 
 PLEASE don't be so lazy that you can't trim your replies.  It makes it
 almost impossible to read on a Smartphone and the messages themselves end
 up
 being over 1 MB each.
 
 
 
 Thanks
 
 
 
 Rod Lane, N1FNE
 
 
 
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Re: [Flexradio] TOO DAMNED MUCH

2013-02-22 Thread Mike
Can't agree more Rod!

I read this on my iPhone when out and about and having to scroll through
hundreds of
lines of quoted text from the last daily digest makes it impossible to
find the message I am really
looking for!

It's so easy to just clip out the part of the message you are replying
to, just like I have below!

73 and happy SDR'ing

Mike.
M0AWS
http://www.m0aws.co.uk

On 22/02/13 18:00, flexradio-requ...@flex-radio.biz wrote:
 Message: 12
 Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 01:31:46 -0500
 From: Rod Lane lan...@cox.net
 To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz
 Subject: [Flexradio] TOO DAMNED MUCH
 Message-ID: 07f601ce10c6$49cddbc0$dd699340$@net
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII

 I really like this reflector, and I get a lot of good information here.  I'm
 a 3000 owner and this group has really enhanced my experience with the
 radio

 But,  I get this list in digest mode.

 That means if you're getting a digest feed and don't clip the reply text
 from your message, I end up getting HUNDREDS of lines of text in the message
 then it gets almost impossible to find the message I want out of the pile of
 old stuff that's included in seemingly EVERY digest pack.  


 PLEASE don't be so lazy that you can't trim your replies.  It makes it
 almost impossible to read on a Smartphone and the messages themselves end up
 being over 1 MB each.
 Thanks
 Rod Lane, N1FNE


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Re: [Flexradio] TOO DAMNED MUCH

2013-02-22 Thread Frank Haas KB4T
I wasn't going to comment on this but the arrogance and rudeness of BILLY
WILLY should not go unnoticed. 

I too find this reflector of great value...most of the time. Rod's point is
valid and appropriate. I too use a smartphone or portable computer to read
the DIGEST. The recent digest with 27 copies of a lengthy series of digest
replies went way beyond the limited email capacity of many smartphones. 

The problem, of course, is not new. It will take 2 or 3 more generations
before attrition eliminates thoughtless repliers. Taking a moment to delete
the original text that follows one's reply, especially when that original
text is hundreds of lines, that EVERYONE HAS ALREADY SEEN, is a thoughtful
and considerate practice. 

No matter what your stand on the lazy, inconsiderate practice of failing to
trim replies, the response by Bill WILLY was unnecessary, rude and useless.
Worse it added to the abundant futility that was already an entirely too
long digest. If you have nothing good to say, keep it to yourself. 

If nothing else BILLY WILLY's reply violates the purpose and spirit of this
reflector. 

I wish the reflector had the ability to delete any line of text that begins
with  which would end the lengthy reply problem fully. 

73, 

Frank N. Haas KB4T
Florida


Original RUDE reply from Bill Marvin Fri, 22 Feb 2013 07:00:42 -0800

Please, stop whining.

Bill - W1LLY


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Re: [Flexradio] TOO DAMNED MUCH

2013-02-22 Thread Chuck ONeal

Sheesh! Frank, stop your whining!

Chuck, K1KW

- Original Message - 
From: Frank Haas KB4T k...@kb4t.us

To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz
Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 12:06 AM
Subject: Re: [Flexradio] TOO DAMNED MUCH



I wasn't going to comment on this but the arrogance and rudeness of BILLY
WILLY should not go unnoticed.

I too find this reflector of great value...most of the time. Rod's point 
is

valid and appropriate. I too use a smartphone or portable computer to read
the DIGEST. The recent digest with 27 copies of a lengthy series of digest
replies went way beyond the limited email capacity of many smartphones.

The problem, of course, is not new. It will take 2 or 3 more generations
before attrition eliminates thoughtless repliers. Taking a moment to 
delete

the original text that follows one's reply, especially when that original
text is hundreds of lines, that EVERYONE HAS ALREADY SEEN, is a thoughtful
and considerate practice.

No matter what your stand on the lazy, inconsiderate practice of failing 
to
trim replies, the response by Bill WILLY was unnecessary, rude and 
useless.

Worse it added to the abundant futility that was already an entirely too
long digest. If you have nothing good to say, keep it to yourself.

If nothing else BILLY WILLY's reply violates the purpose and spirit of 
this

reflector.

I wish the reflector had the ability to delete any line of text that 
begins

with  which would end the lengthy reply problem fully.

73,

Frank N. Haas KB4T
Florida


Original RUDE reply from Bill Marvin Fri, 22 Feb 2013 07:00:42 -0800

Please, stop whining.

Bill - W1LLY


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[Flexradio] TOO DAMNED MUCH

2013-02-21 Thread Rod Lane
I really like this reflector, and I get a lot of good information here.  I'm
a 3000 owner and this group has really enhanced my experience with the
radio

 

But,  I get this list in digest mode.

 

That means if you're getting a digest feed and don't clip the reply text
from your message, I end up getting HUNDREDS of lines of text in the message
then it gets almost impossible to find the message I want out of the pile of
old stuff that's included in seemingly EVERY digest pack.  

 

PLEASE don't be so lazy that you can't trim your replies.  It makes it
almost impossible to read on a Smartphone and the messages themselves end up
being over 1 MB each.

 

Thanks

 

Rod Lane, N1FNE

 

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