Re: [Flexradio] block out of band transmissions
Ian, We are working on this issue. We expect to have regional settings that will solve this problem for several regions (including UK with the 60m band frequencies mentioned) in the next official release. Note that these are already implemented in the latest SVN version of the pb-pal branch. Eric Wachsmann FlexRadio Systems On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 2:18 AM, Ian Wade G3NRW g3...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: From: Anthony M anth...@consultexcel.com.au Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 Time: 09:50:25 Different countries, different licenses restrictions. (The flex isnt limited to U.S.A) :-) OK, let's be specific. Looking at the UK 60m band, will the Flex 3000 today allow transmission of CW, USB, LSB, RTTY, Data, Fax and SSTV in all these frequency bands (MHz): 5.2585 - 5.2615 5.2785 - 5.2815 5.2885 - 5.2915 5.3665 - 5.3695 5.3715 - 5.3745 5.3985 - 5.4015 5.4035 - 5.4065 -- 73 Ian, G3NRW ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to e...@flex-radio.com ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Flexradio] block out of band transmissions
From: Eric Wachsmann e...@flex-radio.com Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 Time: 14:35:33 Ian, We are working on this issue. We expect to have regional settings that will solve this problem for several regions (including UK with the 60m band frequencies mentioned) in the next official release. Note that these are already implemented in the latest SVN version of the pb-pal branch. Eric Wachsmann FlexRadio Systems Thanks Eric. Good news indeed. However, I'm a little confused. As I understand it, the regional settings are installed in the radios by FlexRadio in the United States, and by your distributors throughout the rest of the world. I assume this is not something that customers can do themselves. That being the case [?], I don't really understand how the next official release [of PowerSDR] is relevant here. Or have I missed the point? Also, does this mean that existing non-US customers will have to return their radios to their distributors to have the new regional settings installed? -- 73 Ian, G3NRW ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Flexradio] block out of band transmissions
It is a combination of a firmware and a software update that controls TX frequency. Returning the radio is not required. -Tim -Original Message- From: flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz [mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz] On Behalf Of Ian Wade G3NRW Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 5:33 PM To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz Subject: Re: [Flexradio] block out of band transmissions From: Eric Wachsmann e...@flex-radio.com Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 Time: 14:35:33 Ian, We are working on this issue. We expect to have regional settings that will solve this problem for several regions (including UK with the 60m band frequencies mentioned) in the next official release. Note that these are already implemented in the latest SVN version of the pb-pal branch. Eric Wachsmann FlexRadio Systems Thanks Eric. Good news indeed. However, I'm a little confused. As I understand it, the regional settings are installed in the radios by FlexRadio in the United States, and by your distributors throughout the rest of the world. I assume this is not something that customers can do themselves. That being the case [?], I don't really understand how the next official release [of PowerSDR] is relevant here. Or have I missed the point? Also, does this mean that existing non-US customers will have to return their radios to their distributors to have the new regional settings installed? -- 73 Ian, G3NRW ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to telli...@itsco.com ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Flexradio] block out of band transmissions
Lee My toes weren't stepped on at all. I just think that we are all pretty smart people and that we have to continue to think or we die. Technology has made a lot of people very lazy (present company excluded). Our ability to understand and diagnose a problem seems to be a diminishing. Don't believe me? Try calling any of your service providers. I bet you have forgotten more then any of them will know. My point below is NOT to use the HF rig to swing through the band to determine antenna resonance. Why not use on of many tuning devices available. Think about it 73... Mike herbe...@centurytel.net wrote: Mike, I don't think you understand how the world works today. No one is responsible for anything. And doing any thing you want is something that you are entitled to. But if your toes are stepped on then you, as Orwell said, are more equal than others. The whole thing is really very simple. If you think about it some more I'm sure you will eventually get the idea. While I shouldn't be surprised at this current thread I guess I still am. 73 Lee K9WRU Quoting Michael Walker va...@portcredit.net: Using your Flex is using the wrong tool for the job don't you think? Mike dan edwards wrote: immediate application that comes to me you put up an antenna. its WAAAYY to long, even out ot the band you want to sweep swr/freq, just very briefly...so you'll know how much too long it is. i mean, if its 0.1 to 60 mhz rx, why cant it be a 0.1 to 60 mhz signal generator... keeping my license is MY problem, and i DO cherish it. IMHO, 73, w5xz --- On Sat, 10/31/09, Tim Ellison telli...@itsco.com wrote: From: Tim Ellison telli...@itsco.com Subject: Re: [Flexradio] block out of band transmissions To: Frank Goenninger f...@me.com, FlexRadio Reflector flexradio@flex-radio.biz Date: Saturday, October 31, 2009, 7:33 PM It will be. The challenge is that there are region and country/entity specific band plans and license classes for each that have to be considered. It isn't a trivial enhancement. -Tim -Original Message- From: flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz [mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio..biz] On Behalf Of Frank Goenninger Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 11:33 AM To: FlexRadio Reflector Subject: Re: [Flexradio] block out of band transmissions All, I have already logged a similar feature request. I do hope that this feature will be present in the new software architecture. 73, Frank DG1SBG Am 31.10.2009 um 16:00 schrieb K9DUR: Art, This should be entered as a feature request. There is a relatively simple way to accomplish this using the BandText table. The BandText table already contains a yes/no field named TX. Currently, all that PowerSDR uses that field for is to change the color of the text displayed. However, that field could be added to the logic determining whether transmit is allowed or not. That way, the BandText table could be set up for your class of license and prevent inadvertent transmission on frequencies where you do not have any privileges. 73, Ray, K9DUR http://k9dur.info ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to f...@me.com ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to telli...@itsco.com ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to w...@att.net ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to va...@portcredit.net ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to herbe
Re: [Flexradio] block out of band transmissions
In Canada it is much simpler. We are only limited by the bandwidth of the transmission. We can send narrow band transmissions in areas with the maximum bandwidth is 6khz. We just can't send a 6khz transmission in an area where the limit is 1Khz. http://www.rac.ca/en/rac/services/bandplans/allband.php Simply put, legally, we can do SSB from 3.5 to 4.0 mhz if we wish to. 30m is limited to 1khz. Hence the reason we can work SSB 40M down to 7.0mhz as well (morally, we try to stay above 7.040). We can also do 20khz wide above 28.0 mhz and 30khz wide from 50.0 to 54.0 mhz. I guess the government took the lazy way out! :) Mike VA3MW FireBrick wrote: Probably the same guys who hear a guy at 18105.0 rtty saying 5 to 10 up and go and transmit 10 up Not sure what VE rules are...but I know I can't operate digital in any USA designated phone portion. Same with 30but the flex won't let you transmit above 10.149. ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Flexradio] block out of band transmissions
On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 8:24 PM, Michael Walker va...@portcredit.net wrote: Simply put, legally, we can do SSB from 3.5 to 4.0 mhz if we wish to. 30m is limited to 1khz. Hence the reason we can work SSB 40M down to 7.0mhz as well (morally, we try to stay above 7.040). We can also do 20khz wide above 28.0 mhz and 30khz wide from 50.0 to 54.0 mhz. I guess the government took the lazy way out! :) That has to be wrong. It is just too ... sensible! -- 73 de Brian, WB6RQN/J79BPL ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Flexradio] block out of band transmissions
From: Anthony M anth...@consultexcel.com.au Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 Time: 09:50:25 Different countries, different licenses restrictions. (The flex isnt limited to U.S.A) :-) OK, let's be specific. Looking at the UK 60m band, will the Flex 3000 today allow transmission of CW, USB, LSB, RTTY, Data, Fax and SSTV in all these frequency bands (MHz): 5.2585 - 5.2615 5.2785 - 5.2815 5.2885 - 5.2915 5.3665 - 5.3695 5.3715 - 5.3745 5.3985 - 5.4015 5.4035 - 5.4065 -- 73 Ian, G3NRW ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Flexradio] block out of band transmissions
Art, This should be entered as a feature request. There is a relatively simple way to accomplish this using the BandText table. The BandText table already contains a yes/no field named TX. Currently, all that PowerSDR uses that field for is to change the color of the text displayed. However, that field could be added to the logic determining whether transmit is allowed or not. That way, the BandText table could be set up for your class of license and prevent inadvertent transmission on frequencies where you do not have any privileges. 73, Ray, K9DUR http://k9dur.info ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Flexradio] block out of band transmissions
All, I have already logged a similar feature request. I do hope that this feature will be present in the new software architecture. 73, Frank DG1SBG Am 31.10.2009 um 16:00 schrieb K9DUR: Art, This should be entered as a feature request. There is a relatively simple way to accomplish this using the BandText table. The BandText table already contains a yes/no field named TX. Currently, all that PowerSDR uses that field for is to change the color of the text displayed. However, that field could be added to the logic determining whether transmit is allowed or not. That way, the BandText table could be set up for your class of license and prevent inadvertent transmission on frequencies where you do not have any privileges. 73, Ray, K9DUR http://k9dur.info ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to f...@me.com ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Flexradio] block out of band transmissions
From: Frank Goenninger f...@me.com Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 Time: 16:32:37 All, I have already logged a similar feature request. I do hope that this feature will be present in the new software architecture. 73, Frank DG1SBG All of this sounds fine in principle, but a plea to the designers: ~ Please remember that not all countries have the same frequency allocations and license classes as the United States. ~ Users in different parts of the world will have different restrictions on permissible TX frequencies, depending on their local regulations and their license class. I believe that the SDR software should allow a high degree of flexibility in specifying the TX-allowed frequencies. It's up to individual users to make sure they conform to their license conditions. -- 73 Ian, G3NRW ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Flexradio] block out of band transmissions
At 12:40 PM 10/31/2009, Ian Wade G3NRW wrote: From: Frank Goenninger f...@me.com Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 Time: 16:32:37 All, I have already logged a similar feature request. I do hope that this feature will be present in the new software architecture. 73, Frank DG1SBG All of this sounds fine in principle, but a plea to the designers: ~ Please remember that not all countries have the same frequency allocations and license classes as the United States. ~ Users in different parts of the world will have different restrictions on permissible TX frequencies, depending on their local regulations and their license class. I believe that the SDR software should allow a high degree of flexibility in specifying the TX-allowed frequencies. It's up to individual users to make sure they conform to their license conditions. -- 73 Ian, G3NRW The designers need to conform to FCC rules because the radio is manufactured in the USA, as such it can't be wide open or it would fall into a much stricter category of licensing and approval process. The designers may wish otherwise but the FCC makes the rules. Cecil k5nwa www.softrockradio.org www.qrpradio.com http://parts.softrockradio.org/ Never take life seriously. Nobody gets out alive anyway. ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Flexradio] block out of band transmissions
Am 31.10.2009 um 18:52 schrieb k5nwa: At 12:40 PM 10/31/2009, Ian Wade G3NRW wrote: From: Frank Goenninger f...@me.com Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 Time: 16:32:37 All, I have already logged a similar feature request. I do hope that this feature will be present in the new software architecture. 73, Frank DG1SBG All of this sounds fine in principle, but a plea to the designers: ~ Please remember that not all countries have the same frequency allocations and license classes as the United States. ~ Users in different parts of the world will have different restrictions on permissible TX frequencies, depending on their local regulations and their license class. I believe that the SDR software should allow a high degree of flexibility in specifying the TX-allowed frequencies. It's up to individual users to make sure they conform to their license conditions. -- 73 Ian, G3NRW Exactly what I wrote in the feature request. The designers need to conform to FCC rules because the radio is manufactured in the USA, as such it can't be wide open or it would fall into a much stricter category of licensing and approval process. The designers may wish otherwise but the FCC makes the rules. Cecil k5nwa www.softrockradio.org www.qrpradio.com http://parts.softrockradio.org/ The defining element is the market into which an electronic device is sold. The European Union demands the CE certificate. Germany demands the device to conform to the TKG (telecommunications law). These are all mostly hardware-related specifications. Frequency range is special subject. As we are talking about SDR here it's really low effort to implement different firmware versions - based on IARU band plans. Let the user select the IARU region and the respective band plan will become effective. Really, it's not that difficult - but just not top priority for FRS (which I can fully understand ;-). 73, Frank DG1SBG ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Flexradio] block out of band transmissions
If my memory doesn't fail, the TX field worked that way in the SDR1000 early times. 73 de Ignacio, EB4APL -- K9DUR wrote: Art, This should be entered as a feature request. There is a relatively simple way to accomplish this using the BandText table. The BandText table already contains a yes/no field named TX. Currently, all that PowerSDR uses that field for is to change the color of the text displayed. However, that field could be added to the logic determining whether transmit is allowed or not. That way, the BandText table could be set up for your class of license and prevent inadvertent transmission on frequencies where you do not have any privileges. 73, Ray, K9DUR http://k9dur.info ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Flexradio] block out of band transmissions
It will be. The challenge is that there are region and country/entity specific band plans and license classes for each that have to be considered. It isn't a trivial enhancement. -Tim -Original Message- From: flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz [mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz] On Behalf Of Frank Goenninger Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 11:33 AM To: FlexRadio Reflector Subject: Re: [Flexradio] block out of band transmissions All, I have already logged a similar feature request. I do hope that this feature will be present in the new software architecture. 73, Frank DG1SBG Am 31.10.2009 um 16:00 schrieb K9DUR: Art, This should be entered as a feature request. There is a relatively simple way to accomplish this using the BandText table. The BandText table already contains a yes/no field named TX. Currently, all that PowerSDR uses that field for is to change the color of the text displayed. However, that field could be added to the logic determining whether transmit is allowed or not. That way, the BandText table could be set up for your class of license and prevent inadvertent transmission on frequencies where you do not have any privileges. 73, Ray, K9DUR http://k9dur.info ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to f...@me.com ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to telli...@itsco.com ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Flexradio] block out of band transmissions
I put a user defineable text file in my N4PY software to handle differing license priveleges in different countries. This works quite well. With this file properly setup, my program can block things like accidental SSB transmission in the CW portion of 40 meters when working split DX on 40 meters. I would think Flex could add something similar. Carl Moreschi N4PY 121 Little Bell Drive Hays, NC 28635 www.n4py.com - Original Message - From: Tim Ellison telli...@itsco.com To: Frank Goenninger f...@me.com; FlexRadio Reflector flexradio@flex-radio.biz Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 3:33 PM Subject: Re: [Flexradio] block out of band transmissions It will be. The challenge is that there are region and country/entity specific band plans and license classes for each that have to be considered. It isn't a trivial enhancement. -Tim -Original Message- From: flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz [mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz] On Behalf Of Frank Goenninger Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 11:33 AM To: FlexRadio Reflector Subject: Re: [Flexradio] block out of band transmissions All, I have already logged a similar feature request. I do hope that this feature will be present in the new software architecture. 73, Frank DG1SBG Am 31.10.2009 um 16:00 schrieb K9DUR: Art, This should be entered as a feature request. There is a relatively simple way to accomplish this using the BandText table. The BandText table already contains a yes/no field named TX. Currently, all that PowerSDR uses that field for is to change the color of the text displayed. However, that field could be added to the logic determining whether transmit is allowed or not. That way, the BandText table could be set up for your class of license and prevent inadvertent transmission on frequencies where you do not have any privileges. 73, Ray, K9DUR http://k9dur.info ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to f...@me.com ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to telli...@itsco.com ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to n4...@earthlink.net ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Flexradio] block out of band transmissions
Frank, That is the beauty of using the BandText table to control in/out of sub-band operations. It can be tailored for your locale. 73, Ray, K9DUR http://k9dur.info ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Flexradio] block out of band transmissions
Cecil, Not to worry. What is being discussed is controlling TX based on sub-bands, not out-of-band operation. The radios already have features built in to prevent transmission outside of the amateur bands. That is all that is needed to keep the FCC happy, the proposal does not change that. The idea being discussed is adding the ability to block transmissions within certain parts of the band. For example, a General class operator could block transmission in the Advanced/Extra portions of the band. 73, Ray, K9DUR http://k9dur.info ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Flexradio] block out of band transmissions
On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 12:33 PM, Tim Ellison telli...@itsco.com wrote: It will be. The challenge is that there are region and country/entity specific band plans and license classes for each that have to be considered. It isn't a trivial enhancement. You know, it is possible to prevent out-of-band operation by *thinking* and not setting the VFO to a frequency that will allow energy to fall outside the band. I teach this to my 6th-grade students who are upgrading to general-class and will be using the classroom K2 to make contacts. This technique works surprisingly well. -- 73 de Brian, WB6RQN/J79BPL ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Flexradio] block out of band transmissions
Am 31.10.2009 um 21:46 schrieb Brian Lloyd: On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 12:33 PM, Tim Ellison telli...@itsco.com wrote: It will be. The challenge is that there are region and country/ entity specific band plans and license classes for each that have to be considered. It isn't a trivial enhancement. You know, it is possible to prevent out-of-band operation by *thinking* and not setting the VFO to a frequency that will allow energy to fall outside the band. I teach this to my 6th-grade students who are upgrading to general-class and will be using the classroom K2 to make contacts. This technique works surprisingly well. -- 73 de Brian, WB6RQN/J79BPL Yes, that's something we need to get back into the heads of our fellow law enforcement agency employees. Why are we Hams allowed to build our own equipment and operate it without any certification? But as soon as we make money of such devices all sorts of certifications have to be passed. Matter of fact, German law says that the operator of any equipment is responsible for obeying to law limits. So I'd prefer a non-limited version of the Flex firmware and not one that is even more strict than the law. As Tim said: It's not trivial to implement an all-in-one firmware with all the differing requirements. (It's technically complex but the sheer number of combinations of restrictions is really impressive). Therefore I'd vote to get a firmware that says Look Dude, you voted for No Limits. You're on your own now. FRS is not liable for anything anymore. Good luck. If I have to sign a paper for that I'll do! And I am not only addressing the sub-band requirements here. My Flex-5kA currently doesn't allow me to work on frequencies I am allowed to work on here in Germany. Cheers Frank ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Flexradio] block out of band transmissions
i agree with Frank 100% 73, w5xz --- On Sat, 10/31/09, Frank Goenninger f...@me.com wrote: From: Frank Goenninger f...@me.com Subject: Re: [Flexradio] block out of band transmissions To: FlexRadio Reflector flexradio@flex-radio.biz Date: Saturday, October 31, 2009, 8:59 PM Am 31.10.2009 um 21:46 schrieb Brian Lloyd: On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 12:33 PM, Tim Ellison telli...@itsco.com wrote: It will be. The challenge is that there are region and country/entity specific band plans and license classes for each that have to be considered. It isn't a trivial enhancement. You know, it is possible to prevent out-of-band operation by *thinking* and not setting the VFO to a frequency that will allow energy to fall outside the band. I teach this to my 6th-grade students who are upgrading to general-class and will be using the classroom K2 to make contacts. This technique works surprisingly well. --73 de Brian, WB6RQN/J79BPL Yes, that's something we need to get back into the heads of our fellow law enforcement agency employees. Why are we Hams allowed to build our own equipment and operate it without any certification? But as soon as we make money of such devices all sorts of certifications have to be passed. Matter of fact, German law says that the operator of any equipment is responsible for obeying to law limits. So I'd prefer a non-limited version of the Flex firmware and not one that is even more strict than the law. As Tim said: It's not trivial to implement an all-in-one firmware with all the differing requirements. (It's technically complex but the sheer number of combinations of restrictions is really impressive). Therefore I'd vote to get a firmware that says Look Dude, you voted for No Limits. You're on your own now. FRS is not liable for anything anymore. Good luck. If I have to sign a paper for that I'll do! And I am not only addressing the sub-band requirements here. My Flex-5kA currently doesn't allow me to work on frequencies I am allowed to work on here in Germany. Cheers Frank ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to w...@att.net ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Flexradio] block out of band transmissions
If my Flex firmware ever said Look Dude... to me, I'd scrap it fast. Next thing you know, it would be infecting the garage door opener and waiting to strike... If the radios ever do go 'rogue AI' on us, just remember all those feeping creatures you clamored for. It'll be YOUR fault! ;-) My .02 says keep it simple where you can and well-considered where you can't. 73, Jim N7CXI Frank Goenninger wrote: Am 31.10.2009 um 21:46 schrieb Brian Lloyd: On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 12:33 PM, Tim Ellison telli...@itsco.com wrote: It will be. The challenge is that there are region and country/entity specific band plans and license classes for each that have to be considered. It isn't a trivial enhancement. You know, it is possible to prevent out-of-band operation by *thinking* and not setting the VFO to a frequency that will allow energy to fall outside the band. I teach this to my 6th-grade students who are upgrading to general-class and will be using the classroom K2 to make contacts. This technique works surprisingly well. -- 73 de Brian, WB6RQN/J79BPL Yes, that's something we need to get back into the heads of our fellow law enforcement agency employees. Why are we Hams allowed to build our own equipment and operate it without any certification? But as soon as we make money of such devices all sorts of certifications have to be passed. Matter of fact, German law says that the operator of any equipment is responsible for obeying to law limits. So I'd prefer a non-limited version of the Flex firmware and not one that is even more strict than the law. As Tim said: It's not trivial to implement an all-in-one firmware with all the differing requirements. (It's technically complex but the sheer number of combinations of restrictions is really impressive). Therefore I'd vote to get a firmware that says Look Dude, you voted for No Limits. You're on your own now. FRS is not liable for anything anymore. Good luck. If I have to sign a paper for that I'll do! And I am not only addressing the sub-band requirements here. My Flex-5kA currently doesn't allow me to work on frequencies I am allowed to work on here in Germany. Cheers Frank ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to audio...@charter.net ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Flexradio] block out of band transmissions
[sorry if this is a duplicate] If my Flex firmware ever said Look Dude... to me, I'd scrap it fast. Next thing you know, it would be infecting the garage door opener and waiting to strike... If the radios ever do go 'rogue AI' on us, just remember all those feeping creatures you clamored for. It'll be YOUR fault! ;-) My .02 says keep it simple where you can and well-considered where you can't. 73, Jim N7CXI Frank Goenninger wrote: Am 31.10.2009 um 21:46 schrieb Brian Lloyd: On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 12:33 PM, Tim Ellison telli...@itsco.com wrote: It will be. The challenge is that there are region and country/entity specific band plans and license classes for each that have to be considered. It isn't a trivial enhancement. You know, it is possible to prevent out-of-band operation by *thinking* and not setting the VFO to a frequency that will allow energy to fall outside the band. I teach this to my 6th-grade students who are upgrading to general-class and will be using the classroom K2 to make contacts. This technique works surprisingly well. -- 73 de Brian, WB6RQN/J79BPL Yes, that's something we need to get back into the heads of our fellow law enforcement agency employees. Why are we Hams allowed to build our own equipment and operate it without any certification? But as soon as we make money of such devices all sorts of certifications have to be passed. Matter of fact, German law says that the operator of any equipment is responsible for obeying to law limits. So I'd prefer a non-limited version of the Flex firmware and not one that is even more strict than the law. As Tim said: It's not trivial to implement an all-in-one firmware with all the differing requirements. (It's technically complex but the sheer number of combinations of restrictions is really impressive). Therefore I'd vote to get a firmware that says Look Dude, you voted for No Limits. You're on your own now. FRS is not liable for anything anymore. Good luck. If I have to sign a paper for that I'll do! And I am not only addressing the sub-band requirements here. My Flex-5kA currently doesn't allow me to work on frequencies I am allowed to work on here in Germany. Cheers Frank ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to audio...@charter.net ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Flexradio] block out of band transmissions
immediate application that comes to me you put up an antenna. its WAAAYY to long, even out ot the band you want to sweep swr/freq, just very briefly...so you'll know how much too long it is. i mean, if its 0.1 to 60 mhz rx, why cant it be a 0.1 to 60 mhz signal generator... keeping my license is MY problem, and i DO cherish it. IMHO, 73, w5xz --- On Sat, 10/31/09, Tim Ellison telli...@itsco.com wrote: From: Tim Ellison telli...@itsco.com Subject: Re: [Flexradio] block out of band transmissions To: Frank Goenninger f...@me.com, FlexRadio Reflector flexradio@flex-radio.biz Date: Saturday, October 31, 2009, 7:33 PM It will be. The challenge is that there are region and country/entity specific band plans and license classes for each that have to be considered. It isn't a trivial enhancement. -Tim -Original Message- From: flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz [mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio..biz] On Behalf Of Frank Goenninger Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 11:33 AM To: FlexRadio Reflector Subject: Re: [Flexradio] block out of band transmissions All, I have already logged a similar feature request. I do hope that this feature will be present in the new software architecture. 73, Frank DG1SBG Am 31.10.2009 um 16:00 schrieb K9DUR: Art, This should be entered as a feature request. There is a relatively simple way to accomplish this using the BandText table. The BandText table already contains a yes/no field named TX. Currently, all that PowerSDR uses that field for is to change the color of the text displayed. However, that field could be added to the logic determining whether transmit is allowed or not. That way, the BandText table could be set up for your class of license and prevent inadvertent transmission on frequencies where you do not have any privileges. 73, Ray, K9DUR http://k9dur.info ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to f...@me.com ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to telli...@itsco.com ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to w...@att.net ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Flexradio] block out of band transmissions
Jim, Am 31.10.2009 um 22:25 schrieb Jim Barber: [sorry if this is a duplicate] If my Flex firmware ever said Look Dude... to me, I'd scrap it fast. Next thing you know, it would be infecting the garage door opener and waiting to strike... ??? If the radios ever do go 'rogue AI' on us, just remember all those feeping creatures you clamored for. It'll be YOUR fault! ;-) It will always be the users fault in the end. As a licensed ham every ham confirmed to stay within limits dictated by law. If you don't, no matter why, it is your fault. My .02 says keep it simple where you can and well-considered where you can't. Or: Let's put the energy (or resources) where we benefit from - not in something we already confirmed we will obey or conform to. Can it go any simpler than no sw limitations at all ? 73, Jim N7CXI 73, Frank DG1SBG ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Flexradio] block out of band transmissions
However, Different countries, different licenses restrictions. (The flex isnt limited to U.S.A) :-) -- From: Art Holmes w1...@verizon.net Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 1:31 AM To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz Subject: [Flexradio] block out of band transmissions I recommend a future product enhancement which would block out of band phone transmissions. Sdr already identifies the portion of the phone bands for each class of license. So carry that a step further and block out of band transmissions. It could be an option for example go to setup -general- options and add block out of band, the user would have to supply the class of license in some appropriate manner in setup. . This problem increases when a third party logger is controlling the frequency. For example when using N1MM and the band map, Many times there are so many calls that you can lose track of the frequency and possibly transmit out of the band in the heat of the battle. Thanks Art W1RZF ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to anth...@consultexcel.com.au ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Flexradio] block out of band transmissions
Before we get really happy about this, isn't it the responsibility of the operator to know exactly what he is licensed for? Other that the requirement for the FCC (both domestic and export), that is all Flex needs to be responsible for. I would rather they focus their time on the RF deck and not on something that protects people from what they should know already. Especially if this is non trivial, I am sure that there are other things that need fixing that are much more important. BTW, it is amazing how many US amateurs in the CQWW contest operated well outside their band plan. One 20M it was amazing all those that would just click on a cluster spot and work a guy down below 14.150. Personally over 20 tried to work me on Sunday. Mike VA3MW Brian Lloyd wrote: On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 12:33 PM, Tim Ellison telli...@itsco.com wrote: It will be. The challenge is that there are region and country/entity specific band plans and license classes for each that have to be considered. It isn't a trivial enhancement. You know, it is possible to prevent out-of-band operation by *thinking* and not setting the VFO to a frequency that will allow energy to fall outside the band. I teach this to my 6th-grade students who are upgrading to general-class and will be using the classroom K2 to make contacts. This technique works surprisingly well. ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
