Re: FLUXLIST: Call for Dirt

[David Chirot]

Dear Melissa, Friends & Fellow Workers--
have been collecting baggies, finding the change in seasons an interesting 
time to observe the changes in dirt--as now in many areas i come across, the 
dirt is mixed also with leaf molds, rotting composts of old weeds that are 
in the process of dying--bits of twigs torn off by winds--since it was a 
very dry summer here in Milwaukee, observing how the top soils in some 
places have been exposed as the grass died, or withered and 
browned--exposing a sandier soil, dry and parched instead of the usual 
darker, wetter soil--
also since people moving in and out in late august and into septemeber, the 
mixing into dirt of the fall outs of various sorts of garbage, wood objects, 
peeling paint, plastic bits--wirings of old machines, buttons, broekn 
zippers, insects already burrowing among some things--and this year an 
invasion of wasps--so making the dumpster areas danger zones!--
i know that boht Jean Dubuffet and Robert Rauschenberg worked with dirt as a 
material on canvases, mixed with various other ingredients--
i have tried it out with spray paints, o'glue and lumber crayon 
rubbings--dirt scattered over a surafce and mixed with acyrlics--or simply 
spray paint--is very interesting--
i was thinking also of dirt being used in terms of its "earthy" scents as 
well as colors--
it wd be intersting to make pieces with dirt that had that real dirt road 
dirt smell--or dirt found clotted among the cleats of tires of trucks or old 
cars--and then the dirt that has that moldy smell--or the dirt that's been 
mixed in with gravel dust at construction sites--
and make these scents be part of the experience of the works made with the 
dirt-
i like the feel and sound and scents and life of this project--
"dirt works" rather than the aggrandizing sound and scale of "Earth 
Works"!--
(i don't know maybe someone will recall that old song by the 
Stooges--"Dirt"!--)
"angels with dirty faces"--old movie--
from "the salt of the earth" to--?--the pepper of the dirt!
onwo/ards--
david baptiste



From: "Melissa McCarthy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: FLUXLIST: Call for Dirt
Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 01:41:11 +
I'm looking to do some new work involving the use of earth as a pigment -- 
just learned the technique, and I'm very enthusiastic. If you will send me 
some earth -- doesn't have to be much, a ziploc bag-full would be wonderful 
-- I will send something back in return. Make sure to enclose a return 
address!

Melissa McCarthy
PO Box 6742
Lakeport, NH 03247-6742
USA




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FLUXLIST: aspologies for rough draft sent by accident (re event scores0

[David Chirot]

Dear Friends and Fellow Woerkers

I apologize--just accidently due to being in too much of careless hurry sent 
very rough draft to the fluxlist--was to have been saved for later prunng 
and whipping into comprehensible shape (if such a thing lie therein--)--
again, apologies--
will sort them out later, as more scores
too many occur continaully!
riding the bus!
onwo/ards
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Re: FLUXLIST: Re: Scores for Anne

[David Chirot]

Dear Anne--

Events--they seem to breed like rabbits!
It seems that even without the proverbial hat, all i have to do is reach 
into my head, and pull them out!
I am sure if i look my sleeves have aces up them!
composing oneself
exchaning pleasantries
on the wueit side
out of his mind
dropping a dime
waiting for the phone to ring
have a nic day
its not the heat ists the humidty
pappa was a rolling stone
mummy was a rosetta stone
leaving the door a/jar
thinking outloud/outallowed/outlawed
outlaud/outlandish etc

become the dim memory of myserious originary gigantic ancestors
perform the subtle shift from
recreation
too wreckcreation
clam up, dummy up, up the ante,



From: "Josh Ronsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: FLUXLIST: Re: Scores for Anne
Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 14:47:29 -0500
Here is another one, Anne, if you need it:

Piano Performance

Psychoanalyze a paino





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Re: FLUXLIST: Scores for Anne

[David Chirot]

Dear Anne and all--
i am sorry my mscore from yesterday interupted--by who knows what force?
will send the rest tomorrow--(the email ones, and rest  of piece cut off)
onwo/ards!
and thank you again so much for this project!
david baptiste


From: Ann Klefstad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: Scores for Anne
Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 15:40:53 -0500
Dear David--I'll leave some room in the array for your mailed works when
they arrive--  I'll print these poster-style and hang them up--hope to see
you if you can come --
Thanks for your involvement with this!

AK

On 9/3/03 1:14 PM, "David Chirot" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Dear Anne--
> I am sending my pieces
> it took me longer as made many outdoors in an alley
> they are visual scores, color etc spray painted and with rubbings--
> and then in small print also the event--
>
> i got into making them with shoes found in alleys and dumpsters--
> so there are some "steps" so to speak--
> sorry it took me longer as i can't work in the place where i live so 
have to
> work outside--
> i can also send some via email
> i wanted to present Event Scores that are also scores--in a visual 
sense,
> suggesting thing that are an intersign of visual, sound and
> performance--colors, forms, arrangementes--of which the viewer make any
> response they so please--by acting or sounding out--or scrwaling on them 
a
> response, like grafitti--on alley walls--
>
> here are some i can send via email write/right now:
>
> for example
>
> CONVERSATION PIECES, or BEGGING THE QUESTION
>
> 1.)  find a good busy place to stand or sit
> with a large coffee can painted various hues or having obsucre personal
> hieroglyphics
> have a sign in bright colors, written on it
>
> CONTRIBUTE THE UNNEEDED CONTENTS OF YOUR POCKETS
>
> the event begins with the conversations with passersby as to nature of 
the
> event
> THEN THE EVENT OF THE DONATIONS
> it continues at end of day when, reurning home, one makes collages and
> little asemblages out of the contributions
>
> 2.) dressed as poor beggar--in any idea of such outfit you please--
> have before you a very large can, dingy and bedraggled looking as you 
wish
> have with you a sign
> BEGGING THE QUESTION
> the event is what ensues in terms of exchanges with passersby
>
> 3.)  in the gallery, stand dressed in whatever attention getting or
> anonymous outfit you please--theatrically if you so desire or neutrally
> have below you--you may if you like be mounted on a small 
pedastal/podium--
> or beside you
> a sing which begs the question
> BUT, IS IT ART?
> paper and pen are provided for the museum goers to write responses and 
rop
> them in the box provided
> later, the responses are collectd and made into collaged poems by 
tearing,
> cutting them, mixing words, lines, syllables--
> and one returns with this and to the question, again taking up the pose
> beside paper and pen:
>
> BUT, IS IT ART?
>
> again collect the responses, remix--are there any differences now?
> BUT, IS IT ART--
>
>
> 4.)  WORE ON TEARERISM
>
>   in the gallery--or outside, roaming about--stationing themselves at
> various "perimeters"--
>   someone dressed as a security guard
>  with them a large box with stenciled on it the militray looking words
>  WORE ON TEARERISM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>> From: Ann Klefstad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: Scores for Anne
>> Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2003 20:04:37 -0500
>>
>> Thanks, zoe, perfect for the museum context, I'll put them on cards, 
great!
>> ak
>>
>> On 9/1/03 9:56 AM, "zoe marsh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi, have been meaning to send something for ages, but now too late to
>> put in
>>> the post so here goes by email...
>>>
>>> these were typed onto smallish cards and left on top of a plinth in a
>>> gallery with the instruction 'TAKE A CARD', but you dont have to do 
that
>> (or
>>> indeed anything) with them, its up to you!
>>>
>>> FIND A WORK ON THE WALL. tRY TO SEE THE BACK OF IT BY LEANING YOUR 
HEAD
>>> AGAINST THE WALL.
>>>
>>> FIND A LIGHT SWITCH. EXAMINE IT THOROUGHLY.
>>>
>>> LOOK CLOSELY AT THE LEFT HAND CORNER OF A WORK. SAY 'OH'. MOVE AWAY.
>>>
>>> STAND THREE FEET AWAY FROM A WORK. FROWN. SAY'HMM'.
>>>
>>> STAND IN THE CENTRE OF THE ROOM. RUB YOUR CHIN.
&g

Re: FLUXLIST: Scores for Anne

[David Chirot]

Dear Anne--
I am sending my pieces
it took me longer as made many outdoors in an alley
they are visual scores, color etc spray painted and with rubbings--
and then in small print also the event--
i got into making them with shoes found in alleys and dumpsters--
so there are some "steps" so to speak--
sorry it took me longer as i can't work in the place where i live so have to 
work outside--
i can also send some via email
i wanted to present Event Scores that are also scores--in a visual sense, 
suggesting thing that are an intersign of visual, sound and 
performance--colors, forms, arrangementes--of which the viewer make any 
response they so please--by acting or sounding out--or scrwaling on them a 
response, like grafitti--on alley walls--

here are some i can send via email write/right now:

for example

CONVERSATION PIECES, or BEGGING THE QUESTION

1.)  find a good busy place to stand or sit
with a large coffee can painted various hues or having obsucre personal 
hieroglyphics
have a sign in bright colors, written on it

CONTRIBUTE THE UNNEEDED CONTENTS OF YOUR POCKETS

the event begins with the conversations with passersby as to nature of the 
event
THEN THE EVENT OF THE DONATIONS
it continues at end of day when, reurning home, one makes collages and 
little asemblages out of the contributions

2.) dressed as poor beggar--in any idea of such outfit you please--
have before you a very large can, dingy and bedraggled looking as you wish
have with you a sign
BEGGING THE QUESTION
the event is what ensues in terms of exchanges with passersby
3.)  in the gallery, stand dressed in whatever attention getting or 
anonymous outfit you please--theatrically if you so desire or neutrally
have below you--you may if you like be mounted on a small pedastal/podium--
or beside you
a sing which begs the question
BUT, IS IT ART?
paper and pen are provided for the museum goers to write responses and rop 
them in the box provided
later, the responses are collectd and made into collaged poems by tearing, 
cutting them, mixing words, lines, syllables--
and one returns with this and to the question, again taking up the pose 
beside paper and pen:

BUT, IS IT ART?

again collect the responses, remix--are there any differences now?
BUT, IS IT ART--
4.)  WORE ON TEARERISM

   in the gallery--or outside, roaming about--stationing themselves at 
various "perimeters"--
   someone dressed as a security guard
  with them a large box with stenciled on it the militray looking words
  WORE ON TEARERISM






From: Ann Klefstad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: Scores for Anne
Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2003 20:04:37 -0500
Thanks, zoe, perfect for the museum context, I'll put them on cards, great!
ak
On 9/1/03 9:56 AM, "zoe marsh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi, have been meaning to send something for ages, but now too late to 
put in
> the post so here goes by email...
>
> these were typed onto smallish cards and left on top of a plinth in a
> gallery with the instruction 'TAKE A CARD', but you dont have to do that 
(or
> indeed anything) with them, its up to you!
>
> FIND A WORK ON THE WALL. tRY TO SEE THE BACK OF IT BY LEANING YOUR HEAD
> AGAINST THE WALL.
>
> FIND A LIGHT SWITCH. EXAMINE IT THOROUGHLY.
>
> LOOK CLOSELY AT THE LEFT HAND CORNER OF A WORK. SAY 'OH'. MOVE AWAY.
>
> STAND THREE FEET AWAY FROM A WORK. FROWN. SAY'HMM'.
>
> STAND IN THE CENTRE OF THE ROOM. RUB YOUR CHIN.
>
> WALK IN A CIRCLE CLOCKWISE AROUND THE ROOM. MUTTER 'POSTMODERNISM,
> INTERESTING'.
>
> TAKE ANOTHER CARD. READ IT. PUT IT BACK EXACTLY WHERE YOU FOUND IT.
>
> HIDE THIS CARD IN YOUR POCKET.
>
> LEAVE THIS CARD SOMEWHERE.
>
> TAKE ANOTHER CARD WHI8LE NO-ONE IS LOOKING.
>
> STAND EIGHT FEET FROM A WORK. RAISE YOUR EYEBROWS. BREATHE IN. MOVE 
CLOSER.
>
> sorry dont have time to type more, on library computer and must log out,
> good luck with all the scores, luv zoe
>
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Re: FLUXLIST: Call for Dirt

[David Chirot]

Dear Friend & Fellow Worker Melissa
--what a wonderful project!--
i recall reading that at one point the young Rauschenberg, without money for 
suppies, made paintings with dirt--
and just reading great book THE WORK OFJEAN DUBUFFET by Peter Selz, with 
texts by the arrtist--
(Nerw York:  Museum of Modern Art, 1962)
Dubuffet writes of using dirt mixed with other elemnets--and his fascination 
with dirt, cracks, sediments--
i have done work on some paintings using dirt with spray paint and also went 
trhough a  phase of gluing dirt, tar and resins from trees i rubbed off onto 
the paper--
also making rubbings offf of dirt formations that were cracked and furrowed, 
especially around construction sites
and at one point did a lot of pieces in dirt, scratching in signs and 
symbols in a sort of loose verse form--i had not written in so long my 
typewriter had rusted in basement lived in--so way back to words began in 
dirt--
used to make "hudga-mudga" mud pies with my brother as kids, and load them 
into catapualt we made with very flexible branches from dead wilow 
trees--hurl them at antagonistic neighbor kids--
Milwaukee where i live is often still called the Cream City--from the cream 
colored bricks which became very famous and prized around the world--so many 
old buildings here in a beautiful cream--
now the bricks are no longer made (i think)--and cost a lot--know a man who 
bought up several thousand to use in building some goawd awuful project-
i will see if i can find some of that dirt--or else if not--a couple 
different kinds have noticed (sorry i don't know the names of them)
you can also rub dirt onto paper--and mud etc--dust--for amazing effects--
down and dirtyily--
david baptiste


From: "Melissa McCarthy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: FLUXLIST: Call for Dirt
Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 01:41:11 +
I'm looking to do some new work involving the use of earth as a pigment -- 
just learned the technique, and I'm very enthusiastic. If you will send me 
some earth -- doesn't have to be much, a ziploc bag-full would be wonderful 
-- I will send something back in return. Make sure to enclose a return 
address!

Melissa McCarthy
PO Box 6742
Lakeport, NH 03247-6742
USA




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FLUXLIST: a query re recording projects

[David Chirot]

hello dear friends & fellow fluxworkers--

i lost track of several messages from a while back--
i can'
t recall who it was that had been asking about making a recording of a song 
and then writing a commentary if it was a remake, a remix, --oh my gosh--why 
not a sequel?!--
etc--
(theoretical commentaries on the dead see scrawls)--
i just obtained a dual casstte ancient creaking sanyo at yard sale that has 
outside mic so i can record off of other ancient battered dual cassette 
recorder from another yard sale
(both cost three dollars--also i have one i found on street in trash and 
another an old crackhead gave me when being forcibly removed from abode--)
so--am all ready to record!
and provide the documentation, exegesis, footnotes etc etc --
please let me know as would much like to contribute to the project--
ono/ards!
david baptiste

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FLUXLIST: a query re recording projects

[David Chirot]

hello dear friends & fellow fluxworkers--

i lost track of several messages from a while back--
i can'
t recall who it was that had been asking about making a recording of a song 
and then writing a commentary if it was a remake, a remix, --oh my gosh--why 
not a sequel?!--
etc--
(theoretical commentaries on the dead see scrawls)--
i just obtained a dual casstte ancient creaking sanyo at yard sale that has 
outside mic so i can record off of other ancient battered dual cassette 
recorder from another yard sale
(both cost three dollars--also i have one i found on street in trash and 
another an old crackhead gave me when being forcibly removed from abode--)
so--am all ready to record!
and provide the documentation, exegesis, footnotes etc etc --
please let me know as would much like to contribute to the project--
ono/ards!
david baptiste

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Re: FLUXLIST: lunch news

[David Chirot]

Dear Ann:

Yes, your message received and will be sending you a flock of scores--

best lunch i have been to here in Milwaukee (i am not a big lunch eater so 
my area of knoweldge is pretty limited)
is the free meal at St John Evangelist's on Saturdays, all the cooking done 
by Food Not Bombs
it is vegetarian and of course a great many people complain about the lack 
of meat!
"ain't a meal without meat" a common outcry--
pork is always controversial--many swear by it, others swear against it, 
based on religious beliefs
a few years ago a "less fattening" Brat was introduced--made with beer!
tehere are some good soul food places on North Ave that have immense pork 
sandwiches, catfish sandwiches, with lots of hot sauce
beer on the side!

scorewo/ards!
david baptiste
--a score board is a form of score also--just think, depending on the 
score--people either jumping up and down and cheering--or booing!--throwing 
things--the occaisional assault on an official or encounter with security 
guards--


From: Ann Klefstad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: lunch news
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 13:36:37 -0500
On 7/31/03 8:41 AM, "allen bukoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> http://www.allenbukoff.com/lunch.php
>
> Quick update on the WHAT I HAD FOR LUNCH TODAY project:
> 1.  No lunch yesterday (Wednesday, July 30).  Fellow Coon Rapidian, Doug
> Carpenter, payed me to NOT eat lunch.
> 2.  New mini-theme has emerged:  lunch at the little food stands you 
find
> at the mega warehouses.  Ate lunch at a COSTCO Food Court last week 
(July
> 23) and had lunch from a hot dog stand at HOME DEPOT Tuesday (July
> 29th).  These warehouse lunches are being sponsored by Betsy Friedman 
and
> Baker Rorick, Bearsville, New York, who have contributed money to a food
> bank in the Hudson Valley and to the Capuchin Soup Kitchen here in 
Detroit.
> 3.  You will now find my cholesterol count and my weight posted at the 
top
> of the LUNCH website page.
> 4.  Today is the beginning of "Brat Days" in Sheboygan, Wisconsin (
> http://www.sheboyganjaycees.com/index1.html ).
>
> Janice and I are setting off today on a week-long road trip to visit my 
mom
> in Iowa.  Follow along as we again stalk the wild breaded pork 
tenderloin
> sandwich across plains of the US Midwest region.
>
> Allen
>
>
Ah Allen, such a pork sandwich is no match for the greatest sandwich of all
time, the grilled Cuban sandwich with greasy pork loin, pickles, and cheese
in a Mexican style roll w/ mayo, mashed into a converted waffle iron and
grilled to crunchy perfection. Best version ever at the Tropical Ice Cream
Bakery at Sunset and Silverlake in LA. Why is the midwest--home of pork,
after all--not riddled with Cuban sandwich joints? Why can I not procure
such anywhere in Minnesota?

Next question: Why is my call for score works not appearing on Fluxlist
despite having been posted twice? Too long? What? If the third attempt 
(just
prior to this) doesn't work, please go to  and find
the call in the News column to the right of the page. Thank you. I am
counting on the list to generate many lovely, absorbing, or frightening
score works which will be shown at the Tweed Museum, documented, said
documentation sent to participants on request, and possibly performed by
students from MCAD and University of Minnesota-Duluth during the month of
October. Deadline Aug. 27 (my birthday!). All scores sent will be 
exhibited.
Mail to: Ann Klefstad, 5913 London Road, Duluth, MN 55804. Send SASE if you
wish your scores returned.

Help light up the great white north. Send event scores. You'll feel better.

AK


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FLUXLIST: Fwd: New from Traverse Press/Visual Poetry, Assemblage Exhibit

[David Chirot]

New from Traverse:

TRAVERSE supplement no. 1 - Will Alexander and Alan Semerdjian: poems plus
interview. Loose leaf 8.5 X 11 contained in a red file folder with a color
image from Dave Chirot, a Polaroid, and various ephemera. Ltd. $6 + $3 
s&h.
To inquire or order please email Drew Kunz at [EMAIL PROTECTED]

TRAVERSE supplement no. 2 - Dave Chirot, ZERO POEM. 16pp. Visual poem on
loose leaf 8.5 X 11 in stamped USAGAIN envelope. Ltd. 150 for gallery show
at the Jody Monroe, Milwaukee. $5 + $3 s&h. To inquire or order please
email Drew Kunz at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Jody Monroe Gallery presents works by Amanda Ross-Ho (Chicago) & David
Baptiste Chirot

(Milwaukee)
   Amanda Ross-Ho:  Photography, drawing, assemblages
   David Baptiste Chirot:  Spray paintings, visual poetry, street 
rubbings,
collages, intersign works, sound poetry scores,  display of visual poetry
books:   ZERO POEMTEARERSISM   THE DEAD SEE SCRAWLS

   OPENING 26 jULY 2003, 3-7ON DISPLAY THROUGH 6 SEPTMEBER 2003
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Re: FLUXLIST: Re: Emily Harvey

[David Chirot]

Dear Carol

thank you for sending the news of this piece--
it is sad but also joyous--
also--news of AM FINE--
used to know him back in early eighties in Boston--long before i knew about 
mail art he used to talk about it
always with his cup of coffee!
would hang out in Harvard Square among all the punk rockers, runaways, 
street personalities
took both a very dim view of the world and a lot of delight in it (if you 
caught him unawares in this!)

sadness, joyousness, presence passing--
flux---
the world
   as we see
 it
   is
  pas
 SING
(words arranged from St Paul--)

thank you
david baptiste

From: Carol Starr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: FLUXLIST: Re: Emily Harvey
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2003 08:31:29 -0600
this article is about emily harvey; her work with FLUXUS, etc.
our own ALAN BOWMAN is showing there now. so very sorry alan
for your loss as you have been close to her for some time.
bests, carol
xx
bests, carol

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> This article from NYTimes.com
> has been sent to you by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Planning a Legacy in Venice for a 60's Art Movement
>
> July 9, 2003
>  By MATTHEW ROSE
>
> A cancer diagnosis has focused an art dealer's goal to
> refurbish her Venice real estate holdings to become part of
> a foundation offering hospitality to artists and writers.
>
> 
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Re: FLUXLIST: raft her/raft here/raft hear

[David Chirot]

raft her  raft here/raft hear

raft her  raft here

er laphear laps

mast merge   mast's surge

er slam  hear slams

float herfloat here

er boat  hear boat

ham herhammer

mer germerge here

slap p er   laps hear

er aft   here aft

 --hear raft
John M. Bennett & Jim Leftwich
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Re: FLUXLIST: No-Text Time

[David Chirot]

No-Text Time KNOT   NEXT TIME

Sweat god waterSweet good water
field silence fills sielnce
cave mask dribbles   cave asks riddles--
deaf frame  deaf remain
monkey tongue diamante many tongued, adamant,
chamber grass clamorous-
cloud's glass dressclawed last breath
rain birth raves burst-
sweat god, watersweet, good--water--
John M. Bennett  ---david baptiste chirot
After Ivan Arguelles' "Paradiso Canto xxxiii"
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Re: FLUXLIST: celebrating rebellion

[David Chirot]

 Thank you Allen!

For Fourth of July i am going to a park by Lake michigan here in 
Milwaukee
and read Walt Whitman to the trees and grass
and also bring big drop sheet and work on spray paint paintings that i add 
collaged materials to

and hope i don't get in trouble with the police!

and old french book i had, HISTOIRE DU CINEMA by Georges Sadoul--
listed and discussed
REBEL WITHOUT A CAUSE
as REVEL WITHOUT CAUSE
i always found that interesting!

  rebellioniously

david baptiste
From: allen bukoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: FLUXLIST: celebrating rebellion
Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2003 23:12:23 -0400
Some things you just can't send through the mail or over the internet.
I always hand these packets out in a fluxus frame of mind.
Wish you were here.
http://www.nutscape.com/july4th/2003/index.html


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Re: FLUXLIST: OOOOOooooops!/Ph.D

[David Chirot]

two spellings out so to speak
of Ph.D
i have heard:
Piled high Deep

Pretty heavy Dude (this on an old jazz lp--)

i like the juxtaposition/intersection
of these!
--david baptiste
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Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 12:12:32 -0400
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>This f***ing PhD belittles my brain.
Don't worry it happens to everyone who does a Phd - that's why they then 
give us jobs in academia - we are not much good for anything else after 
this process. . . .

Owen


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Re: FLUXLIST: ok!/"c'est anne c'est l'anne de l'ananas"!

[David Chirot]

banane
ananas
bain
anonyme
en fin
de main au main
les mettres au coin
pas besoin
de s'exprime
--david baptiste


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Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 10:00:25 +0200
tant va la banane au bain qu'à la fin elle se blase.

-Bertrand
  - Original Message -
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  Subject: FLUXLIST: ok!


  j'ai donner un bain a ma banane!

  -alain
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Re: FLUXLIST: Words or Spaces/GNARLRATION

[David Chirot]

Dear Roger--

think of it as gnarlration--
to gnaw the gnarlrations!
"spinning a yarn"--

gnarled--
did Ariadne's thread--get gnarled at times, spaces--
"what a tangled web we weave"--

a story can be in any form
spaces--
the rythms in between

would a palindromatic story be a narrative?

"the same old story over and over again!"

gnarls of narration--think of the differences in just such simple ones as 
these, by changing one mark:

she went to the store.
she went to the store?
she went to the store!
"story of my life"

a story a friend recently told me:

A man ain't nothin without a Queen.
Had a Queen once, didn't play my cards right.
See--I drew me a Joker.
And man--that Joker was wild!
david baptiste

From: "Roger Stevens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: FLUXLIST: Words or Spaces
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 10:21:52 +0100
Hi

I'm confused now. The original ad doesn't mention characters but does
mention spaces - which you wouldn't if you were talking words would you?
Also - it doesn't mention words. Maybe I'll  Josh and get to the
bottom of it.
Entries from Fluxlist people so far also brings up the question of when
is a story a story, when is it a poem.
Or when is it a narrative poem.
Some entries look like poems to me. Don't they? Do they?

XXX

Roger
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FLUXLIST: 100 word story

[David Chirot]

Does this qualify as a one hundred word story--
(it does have movement, a direction--)
more in line of True Stories
praying in public
preying in public
invoking God
invoking goods
sunday street
preacher, dopeman
on facing corners
'you Right?"
"you straight?"
ahead
a cross street
--more corners
more angles
over head
gulls
circling, --call
all in all
voices --
moving
on

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FLUXLIST: 100 word/space stories

[David Chirot]

I think i may have gotten it mixed up
--changed 100 word stories
into
100 letters /spaces stories
sometimes
the pupil
revises the teacher
other times,
--the cornea
david baptiste chirot

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FLUXLIST: 100wordstories

[David Chirot]

TRUE STORIES

no spaces when there is no time
to tell
immensity in an instant


SPEEDFreaktaxidriver15yearssignsnameshiddenplotlanguagetellFBIgivephonebookall 
the namesarehere.

armydrafttesthearsoundpushbuttonheflunkedtoldhewasdeafcouldbarelyread 
pushedwrongbutton

resthomebingogameshefinallywonhernumbercameup!noresponsehernumbercameupshewasdead

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Re: FLUXLIST: GATES: Call for participation/collaboration

[David Chirot]

count me also for participation
david baptiste

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Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: GATES: Call for participation/collaboration
Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 09:32:14 -0400
Count me in! Maybe Crispin Webb, too. -Don Boyd
Fluxus West, USA no bio)
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FLUXLIST: 100 word short story

[David Chirot]

trying to rediscover
someone had asked for 100 word short stories?
i have the story ready
but can't find now where to send--
might some one know and please send on the information?
much appreciated--
david baptiste
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Re: FLUXLIST: Please welcome Scott Kuchler/Fluxedo Junction/Bowman mystery

[David Chirot]

it is not where you are("outside"-)
but who you are("inside"---)
yes
community/communication
every/anywhere

disucussing this among us the other day
the where you are/who you are
as where we live, in "the Hood"--
you need to know very much the distinction!
if you are to give back
instead of just take from--
david baptiste

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Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: Please welcome Scott Kuchler/Fluxedo Junction
Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 07:59:56 -0400
I  like living in the "wastelands"  also - lots of space here, both 
physical and psychic - lets the mind expand...
John

At 09:55 AM 5/31/2003 -0400, you wrote:
South Dakota was a cultural wasteland when Ken came to visit in 1975. (at 
least an "experimental art" wasteland) Such is Knox County, Ohio, where I 
live now. I think those who discount Ken's contributions to Fluxus are 
missing the boat. They may be thinking all is fine where they live and 
work. But Ken had the courage to go off by himself. His goal was to visit 
all 50 states if I recall. He looked in South Dakota and in South Carolina 
while visiting me in those places. IT'S DIFFICULT TO FIND OPEN MINDED 
PEOPLE in the heartland, USA. I've always felt you didn't have to be the 
greatest artist in the world to contribute something back in your own 
community. Tha's what I'm trying to do. Sales and Jon Hendricks be --!
-Don Boyd

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Re: FLUXLIST: Chicago

[David Chirot]

I will be in the Big Chi
Friday the Thirteenth of June
for a poetry reading
can send you the name and address of the place if you like--
i wd only be there for the pre-reading and the reading and after--
as going with people from here in Milwaukee--
david baptiste

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Subject: FLUXLIST: Chicago
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 08:16:54 -0500
I, Josh Ronsen, will be in Chicago for 5 days in mid-June if anyone cares. 
This will be the first time I've been to Chicago since the last time I was 
there.  I would love to meet other Fluxlisters.

-Josh
in Austin, Texas




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Re: FLUXLIST: Fluxus as a toy

[David Chirot]

CONCRETE BLOCKS

WHEN MY BROTHER JED AND I WERE CHILDREN
WE MADE CONCRETE POEMS
WITH THEM
HAD SEEN A BOOK MY FATHER HAD
CONCRETE POETRY ANTHOLOGY
BEFORE THAT
(PRE-CONCRETE=PRE-LITERATE)
WE USED
MUD

GIANT TOTEMIC BEINGS
BUILT FROM MUD AND STRAW
one can be flexible fluxable
fling mud balls
with willow branch slingshots!
the Mighty Lord Hudga-Mudga!
ruler of the back yard
who flung mudballs
with swift sling shots
at nemesis neighbors
armed with trashcan lid shields and sticks
"BEND BUT DON'T BREAK"!

david baptiste

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Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: Fluxus as a toy
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 01:47:19 -0400
Crispin Webb wrote:

plastic hammer
for pounding sisters baby dolls heads
Desk drawer with rubber band looped around drawer-pull attached to 
thumbtack on top of desk for smashing sisters baby doll heads.


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FLUXLIST: CHRISTIANE f.

[David Chirot]

eRICA:

THANK YOU FOR THE QUOTE FROM cHRISTIANE f.
THE BOOK AND MOVIE --FOR SOME TIME HAUNTED ME--
the Berlin of that time--
juxtapostions of extreme energies, events, edges--and scenes of 
mullification--
--david baptiste


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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: Unread Massages
Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 21:49:53 -0300
How can i do to receive digest emails instead of 100 emails per day? It s 
not that i dont like it, but it would be better if i could get less emails 
and even so get all their content!

 Electra Girl ** (o_o) **

* Erica :o) * www.electtragirl.blogspot.com

*The world is changed because you are made of ivory and gold. The curves of 
your lips rewrite history...*

"I live in the wrong world, with the wrong friends. But I Can't change 
anything. When I make plans and they fail then I get depressed. That's why 
I don't have wishes or dreams.." Christiane F.





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Data: Sexta-feira, 30 de Maio de 2003 08:13
Assunto: FLUXLIST: Unread Massages
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I really must get down to reading them all…



Something to look forward to, eh?



XXX

Roger





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Re: FLUXLIST: last call

[David Chirot]

a jack in the box


From: "meryl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: last call
Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 17:28:40 -0400
A small rubber cow

--
From: "jonah hex" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "FluxList" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: FLUXLIST: last call
Date: Sat, May 31, 2003, 4:42 PM
last call for "Fluxus as a toy"



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FLUXLIST: GEOFF HENDRICKS/ALISION KNOWLES

[David Chirot]

DEAR FRIENDS & FELLOW WORKERS

very interesting and thought provoking to find this discussion--as have been 
reading books by hendricks and knowles of late at a bookstore
the similarity one finds--is that both work with the everyday materials, 
incidents--
two books by hendricks i have been perusing--many photos of objects and 
scenes --the work in process--
one finds this in knowles as well
one difference--the knowles appear in much more polished & expensive 
volumes!
hendricks sems to be more a mix of searching & finding, a sort of quest--
and knowles more of a delineated pattern--as per the use of instructions, 
recipes and so on--
more performance oriented
whereas in hendricks, the performance is simply what he has 
done--documeted--
i was wondering--maybe sheer force of personality--has a "weight" in the 
flux scale?
ie.e knowles is a much more forceful personality and artist--
hendricks more of the gentleness noted--"macrobiotic" etc--
(though knowles is obsessed with beans!--wonderfully so--)
a friend of mine is on a serious yoko ono kick of late
showed me many many books and cds by yoko--the latter, the old albums, had 
not heard in years
used to drop with friends  lots of acid mixed with ripple wine and play yoko 
on portable record player in the woods in new hampshire and vermont--in part 
for the sheer pleasure--in part to scare away wild drinking bikers careening 
through the midnight forests--
one of yoko's pieces my friend likes a lot--many in a way--are simply holes 
cut in objects, surfaces--through which the scene presents itself
riding on bus after looking at these--
passing large construction site
the plastic signs put up with names of the various compnaies involved--
had been torn in places, almost circularly so--
and one could see through to piles of rubble, heaps of tools, bags of 
concrete--
two weeks ago on that site a worker was killed--
a crane misfuctioned and dropped a beam on him
though have been participating in fluxlst projects for some years now
must admit i am very ignorant of the hisotry, the canon so to speak, the 
various hierarchies and arcane disputes
don't know if i should be reading the various historical books have seen or 
not
as i find the bit of fluxus i know and understand
continually happening all around, every day--in so many ways
so--why provoke nostalgia?--for what exists!
in that way--fluxus is living--i believe--continually
"The Eternal Network"
as in Mail Art--
community/communication
onwo/ards!
david baptiste


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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: What's Fluxus.
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 11:38:38 +
From: "alan bowman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: What's Fluxus.
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 12:15:07 +0200
- Original Message -
From: "Anne Drogy"
 Geoff Hendricks
> does he do different things now ??
nope!  he's still the cloudsmith.

geoff's work and indeed his actual personality, perhaps don't smack of
fluxus, initially.  very much the macrobiotic hippy style, but closer
inspection of geoff's works reveals a sensibilty akin to those producers 
of
the early event scores etc.

perhaps it's easy to get sidetracked by the whimsicality, the jokes and 
the
irony of a lot of classic 'maciunas governed' fluxus, and to ignore the
rest.  it's interesting that geoff often gets lumped into a 'not really 
very
fluxy' category yet alison knowles not- yet for me their is an air of
'similarity' (not sure if that is the best way to describe it) - at least 
in
the feel of their works.

is it not interesting that in, for want of a better term, 'group' so 
diverse
and so widely discussed, that often the 'everything is fluxus' or
'everything is open to interpretation as fluxus' that a common point of
discussion is 'just how fluxus was/is.?'

if, for example, fluxus must be accepted due to historical definition as a
definite 'group' or even 'movement' as is often claimed. then, examination
of said group will reveal a gigantic, diverse range of activity (even 
among
the inner core of accepted fluxus artists).  is it possble to have some 
sort
of scale within?  there is the fluxus chart compiled by (filliou &
williams?/ - i don't remember - Bertrand?) which charts presence at
wiesbaden etc and forwm the beginnings of a fluxscale.  but a new official
fluxometer could be good.

Geoff Hendricks - 4.7 on the Fluxscale

fun but doesn't make much sense

what i think i wanted to say was

yes geoff still does clouds and bits of wood and string etc

how can we judge the fluxusishness of someone/thing?

i think i have sunstroke

alan

Maybe it is not the something but the process of making and person who 
makes. there are some fluxus artifacts that look (and probably smell and 
taste) like other stuff from other movements, but are not because of the 
way they were presented or made. i dont know geoff or his clouds but maybe 
presenting something

Re: FLUXLIST: Re: Ears

[David Chirot]

In Paris in 1969 i saw a street fight in which a Morrocan sliced off the ear of a Frenchman who was known to be a police informer--i.e. a "listening post".
A friend here recently introduced me to the term "ear hustler"--a person who pretends to be lost in thought or dozing off, all the while taking in every bit of information s/he can--
When i was about two years old--i used to put mashed potatoes in my ewars--i was convinced my mother wouldn't be able to see them there, as i could not--
She wound up taking me to the doctor for some painful extractions!--
"earationally" yours,
david baptiste
p.s.--i will send something--how about an EARFULL!--to the project!

>From: Amy Baylaurel Casey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>Subject: FLUXLIST: Re: Ears 
>Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 09:46:27 -0800 (PST) 
> 
>I made a mask in college called "Happy Easter(n) 
>Ganesha" it is a pink plaster elephant/human mask with 
>a crown, earrings, and trunk made of plastic wrap 
>filled with metallic Easter confetti, sealed and 
>shaped with waterbase sealer. It has REALLY BIG 
>EARS..and is one of those things that just makes you 
>happy. Would a picture of this be something you are 
>looking for, or is this off the topic? Amy 
> 
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Re: FLUXLIST: FluxboxII

[David Chirot]

Crispin:
ditto for me
(ie. the infamous "the chekov is in the mail")!
david baptiste

>From: "Melissa McCarthy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>Subject: FLUXLIST: FluxboxII 
>Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 20:30:26 + 
> 
>Crispin, mailed my contribution prototype to you today for the 
>second Fluxbox. Friday is the deadline, right? Melissa 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Melissa McCarthy 
> Hours: whimsical or by appointment 
> >>>Adult, maybe; grown-up, never!<<< 
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Re: FLUXLIST: human league non fluxmail

[David Chirot]

alan--
what is mp3?
maybe i can help you find this--
but--i wd have to know first!
all best--david baptiste
onwo/ards!

>From: "alan bowman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: human league non fluxmail 
>Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 00:34:22 +0100 
> 
>david, 
> 
>i'm not at all surprised! 
> 
>i have the vinyl, flexi and all, but it's all in the uk and i can't afford to have my records shipped, so i'm looking for stuff on mp3 etc etc 
> 
>i've found loads of stuff but this, no 
> 
>bests al 
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Re: FLUXLIST: lawn gnome performance/Welcome Gnomad metrognome

[David Chirot]

Dear Amy and --M's ieur Gnome:
--if m'sieur Gnome is not too large--i wd be glad to have his company (i apologize but due to budget constraints--can't afford to pay for too large a gnome!)
is he a metrognome--
(will be if he visits here in Milwaukee!)
certainly a gnomade!!
and into gnomecology i am sure!
--onwo/ards! gnomentomologicall yours,
david baptiste

>From: Amy Baylaurel Casey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>Subject: FLUXLIST: lawn gnome performance 
>Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 16:50:34 -0800 (PST) 
> 
> 
>I am starting a mail art/performance with a lawn gnome, taking it out for a day off, and then sending it out to the next individual for a day out with him. I would like photos taken, and perhaps other documentation sent to me where it will be collected and posted onto a website, with activity and whereabouts updates. The goal is to spread happiness and fun, and to see how long and far the gnome can actually travel. I will be taking him out for pancakes and to a movie. Anyone who would like the gnome next let me know..just don't expose him to any physical or mental abuse. Amy 
> 
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Re: FLUXLIST: human league non fluxmail

[David Chirot]

i saw the human league perform live in boston at about this time--
the sound on vinyl bears little resemblance to them live, at least back then--
they were truly awful!
the crowd to say the least was very --well, shall we say--angry!
and being the punk days--heaped abuse among other more lethal things on the band--apologies for the dis-concerting message!
avanti in an avanti! david baptiste

>From: "alan bowman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: FLUXLIST: human league non fluxmail 
>Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 00:58:05 +0100 
> 
>anyone got the human league e.p. the dignity of labour on mp3? (1979) 
> 
>i've got the vinyl burritz in the uk 
> 
>just wunnerin 
> 
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Re: FLUXLIST: Collaborative card game (A.)

[David Chirot]

David:
 
many many thanks! i am much looking fwd to recieing the card
and having fun with it--
onwo/ards!
david baptiste

>From: "David William" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>To: "FLuX-LisT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: FLUXLIST: Collaborative card game (A.) 
>Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 17:19:59 -0800 
> 
> 
>Sorry to keep posting the same call... but I've gotten a great response so far! Many thanks to all who 
>have chosen to participate. 
>***There are still 8 cards left!*** Come one, come all! (And by "all", I actually mean "eight more 
>people".) 
> 
>For those of you who didn't see the call first two times, here are the 
>basics: 
> 
>-I send out one card from a deck to each of 51 participants. (With the 52nd 
>being myself.) 
>-Each participant affects the face side of their card -- paint/write on, 
>collage, whatever -- either leaving 
>the number and suit visible, or  by writing "jack of clubs" or what have you 
>very small at the bottom, or 
>otherwise indicating what card it is.  (To preserve the playability) 
>-Each participant returns their card to me, and I assemble the completed 
>deck. 
>-I will play with the deck and send it on to another participant, along with 
>a full list of participants & 
>their addresses.  Each person will play with the deck, then send it on to 
>the next person.  The idea is 
>to have the deck "in play" for one week per participant, making 52 weeks -- 
>one year of play with the 
>collaboratively created deck. 
>(This part will have to be done kind of loosely, allowing for 
>time-in-transit.  Each person will get a 
>week in possession of the deck, and THAT will count toward the 52 weeks.) 
> 
>PLEASE forward this on to anyone who might be interested! 
> 
>And feel free to contact me with any questions/comments/etc. 
> 
>DavidWilliam 
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>178a Cedar Swamp 
>Storrs, CT  06268   USA 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: FW: FLUXLIST: xerox transfer

[David Chirot]

this is probably brought up at the sites listed-
but if not--
a good way to make transfers from color xerox is to use finger nail polish remover
(not to mention the astonishing aroma of the liquid substance!)
(is using glues, industrial markers, spray paints, lighter fluid, finger nail polish remover, etc etc shellac and--
etc--does this constitute an INHALANT ADDICTION???!!!)
just say KNOW
david baptiste

>From: "LeClaire, Candace" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>Subject: FW: FLUXLIST: xerox transfer 
>Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 11:30:21 -0500 
> 
>I'll try this again - my messages aren't being posted to the list for some 
>reason! Please scroll down for my response... 
> 
> > -- 
> > From: LeClaire, Candace 
> > Sent: Thursday, February 6, 2003 10:37 AM 
> > To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' 
> > Subject: RE: FLUXLIST: xerox transfer 
> > 
> > Hi Amy. 
> > 
> > Here is a website that has some general information about xerox transfers: 
> > http://web.simmons.edu/~tanny/project/xerox.html This site also has links 
> > to articles, etc. 
> > Here's a real basic step-by-step page: 
> > http://hotwired.lycos.com/webmonkey/99/23/index3a_page10.html?tw=design 
> > 
> > You may also be interested in subscribing to this book arts listserv, 
> > depending on your project: 
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > 
> > Also - if you are interested in Polaroid transfers, check out the Polaroid 
> > website: http://www.polaroid.com/home/index.jsp (click on "Create") for 
> > lots of info and ideas. 
> > 
> > Hope it helps. 
> > Candace. 
> > 
> > -- 
> > From: Amy Baylaurel Casey 
> > Reply To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 5, 2003 5:15 PM 
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > Subject: FLUXLIST: xerox transfer 
> > 
> > 
> > does anyone have any complete info on the artistic 
> > history of xerox transfer? Perhaps a good website 
> > suggestion? 
> > 
> > thanks, amy 
> > 
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Re: FLUXLIST: fluxus debris

[David Chirot]

    i also would like to contribute
 

>From: "alan bowman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: fluxus debris 
>Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 13:47:18 +0100 
> 
> > 
> > i know that there are people here who can contribute things 
> 
>anne, 
> 
>what sort of stuff are you looking for exactly (or inexactly or roughly or 
>smoothly or whichever way you choose to look)? 
> 
>i have lots of snaps of times spent with the likes of ay-o, emmett, alison 
>knowles, larry miller (with whom i've spent hilarious hours reciting eddie 
>izzard and python sketches) jean dupuy etc. i was also fortunate to be 
>invited into the midst of things at the fluxus constellation in genova, and 
>the associated fluxus bus tour. so anecdotes and little storyettes i have - 
>however i'm not sure that any of that would be relevant as they would come 
>from me! if you know what i mean. i mean, a telephone conversation with 
>marion zazeela on behalf of lamonte young about something i knew nothing 
>about whilst trying to keep emily harvey's cat from peeing on the keyboard 
>of my computer - has the makings of a nice piece - but it doesn't have ought 
>to do with fluxus, really. 
> 
>so anecdotes perhaps not, but my snaps you're welcome to, if they're any 
>good. i took some good video of performances in genova and emmett williams 
>in NYC and venice - but alas and alack and rats and phooey! i don't own 
>them! 
> 
>so i reckon i've been of exactly no help here! 
> 
>with sincerest wishes and/or apologies 
> 
>alan 
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Re: FLUXLIST: fluxus debris

[David Chirot]

I would like to contribute
like alan, i am wondering--what are you looking for
and, most importantly--where does one send "it"--
(for example, i have a yoko ono anti-gun violence postcard re john lennon--is that of any interest?--etc--)
 

>From: Anne Drogyness <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: FLUXLIST: fluxus debris 
>Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 05:15:48 + 
> 
> 
>flux kittens: 
> 
>the fluxus debris site is exxxpanding 
> 
>but this is not an Anne Drogy solo project!! 
> 
>i know that there are people here who can contribute things 
> 
>(anecdotes, pictures, quotes from other sources...) 
> 
>please get in touch... 
> 
>anne 
> 
>-- 
>Anne Drogyness (dnae) 
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Re: FLUXLIST: Collaborative card game (A.)

[David Chirot]

Dear David:
    I have yet to receive my card--
    please send to:
   david baptiste chirot
  2713 w. richardson place #311
  milwaukee, wi  53208
 USA
    thank you!   onwo/ards!   david baptiste

>From: "David William" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>To: "FLuX-LisT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: FLUXLIST: Collaborative card game (A.) 
>Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 17:19:59 -0800 
> 
> 
>Sorry to keep posting the same call... but I've gotten a great response so far! Many thanks to all who 
>have chosen to participate. 
>***There are still 8 cards left!*** Come one, come all! (And by "all", I actually mean "eight more 
>people".) 
> 
>For those of you who didn't see the call first two times, here are the 
>basics: 
> 
>-I send out one card from a deck to each of 51 participants. (With the 52nd 
>being myself.) 
>-Each participant affects the face side of their card -- paint/write on, 
>collage, whatever -- either leaving 
>the number and suit visible, or  by writing "jack of clubs" or what have you 
>very small at the bottom, or 
>otherwise indicating what card it is.  (To preserve the playability) 
>-Each participant returns their card to me, and I assemble the completed 
>deck. 
>-I will play with the deck and send it on to another participant, along with 
>a full list of participants & 
>their addresses.  Each person will play with the deck, then send it on to 
>the next person.  The idea is 
>to have the deck "in play" for one week per participant, making 52 weeks -- 
>one year of play with the 
>collaboratively created deck. 
>(This part will have to be done kind of loosely, allowing for 
>time-in-transit.  Each person will get a 
>week in possession of the deck, and THAT will count toward the 52 weeks.) 
> 
>PLEASE forward this on to anyone who might be interested! 
> 
>And feel free to contact me with any questions/comments/etc. 
> 
>DavidWilliam 
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>178a Cedar Swamp 
>Storrs, CT  06268   USA 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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FLUXLIST: Re: [noisetext] Information about the Laura Bush poetry event/Tea Party

[David Chirot]

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FLUXLIST: Fwd: [noisetext] Information about the Laura Bush poetry event

[David Chirot]

>From: "cecil touchon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>To: "ipdg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,"collage poetry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>Subject: [noisetext] Information about the Laura Bush poetry event 
>Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 11:12:33 -0800 
> 
>Information about the Laura Bush poetry event, 
> 
> The attached information is about sending something 
>along that will be presented at the White House 
>as well as the fact that many poets intend to boycott the First 
>Lady's event. 
> 
>-- 
> 
>This from the poet Sam Hamill: 
>http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=%22Sam+Hamill%22 
> 
>January 19, 2003 
> 
> 
>Dear Friends and Fellow Poets: 
> 
>When I picked up my mail and saw the letter marked "The White House," 
>I felt no joy. Rather I was overcome by a kind of nausea as I read the 
>card enclosed: 
> 
>Laura Bush 
>requests the pleasure of your company 
>at a reception and 
>White House Symposium on 
>"Poetry and the American Voice" 
>on Wednesday, February 12, 2003 
>at one o'clock 
> 
>Only the day before I had read a lengthy report on the President's 
>proposed "Shock and Awe" attack on Iraq, calling for saturation 
>bombing that would be like the firebombing of Dresden or Tokyo, killing 
>countless innocent civilians. 
> 
>I believe the only legitimate response to such a morally bankrupt and 
>unconscionable idea is to reconstitute a Poets Against the War 
>movement like the one organized to speak out against the war in Vietnam. 
> 
>I am asking every poet to speak up for the conscience of our country 
>and lend his or her name to our petition against this war, and to make 
>February 12 a day of Poetry Against the War. We will compile an 
>anthology of protest to be presented to the White House on that 
>afternoon. 
> 
>Please submit your name and a poem or statement of conscience to: 
> 
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> 
>There is little time to organize and compile. I urge you to pass along 
>this letter to any poets you know. Please join me in making February 
>12 a day when the White House can truly hear the voices of American 
>poets. 
> 
>Sam Hamill 
> 
> 
> 
>To see this story with its related links on the Guardian Unlimited 
>site, go 
>to http://www.guardian.co.uk 
> 
>Anti-war poets force scrapping of White House symposium Sarah Left 
>Thursday January 30 2003 The Guardian 
> 
> 
>The White House yesterday confirmed that it had cancelled a poetry 
>symposiumafter a number of American poets threatened to turn the event into 
>an 
>anti-war protest. 
> 
>The February 12 symposium on Poetry and the American Voice, which was 
>meantto focus on the works of Emily Dickinson, Langston Hughes and Walt 
>Whitman,was one of a number of literary gatherings organised by the first 
>lady,Laura Bush. 
> 
>When Washington-based poet Sam Hamill received an invitation to the 
>event,he said he was "overcome by a kind of nausea" and refused to attend. 
>Then he decided to email fellow poets, asking them to compose anti-war works 
>and urging anyone attending the symposium to read works of protest. 
> 
>Explaining the cancellation, Noelia Rodriguez, a spokeswoman for Mrs 
>Bush, said: "While Mrs Bush respects the right of all Americans to express 
>their opinions, she, too, has opinions, and believes it would be 
>inappropriate to turn a literary event into a political forum." 
> 
>A former librarian, the first lady has made teaching and early 
>childhood development her signature issues. Her series of White House 
>symposiums to salute America's authors have been lively affairs, featuring 
>discussions about literature and its impact on society. 
> 
>No future date for the poetry event has been announced. 
> 
>Mr Hamill, a co-founder of Copper Canyon Press, set up a website in a 
>bid to turn February 12 into Poetry Against the War day. He said that he had 
>received poems or personal statements from more than 2,000 poets 
>during the last week, and plans to present an anthology of the poems to the 
>White 
>House. 
> 
>In an open letter on the site, Mr Hamill explained: "I believe the 
>only legitimate response to such a morally bankrupt and unconscionable 
>idea is to reconstitute a Poets Against the War movement like the one 
>organised 
>to speak out against the war in Vietnam." 
> 
>Contributors have included WS Merwin, Galway Kinnell, Ursula K Le 
>Guin, Adrienne Rich and Lawrence Ferlinghetti. 
> 
>"I'm putting in 18-hour days. I'm 60 and I'm tired, but it's pretty 
>wonderful," said Mr Hamill. 
> 
>Marilyn Nelson, Connecticut's poet laureate, said that she had 
>accepted the White House invitation, and had planned to wear a specially- 
>commissioned silk scarf with peace signs. 
> 
>"I had decided to go because I felt my presence would promote peace," 
>she said. 
> 
>Mr Hamill's more forthright form of protest, however, may have tipped 
>the

Re: FLUXLIST: Chirot/CHIROT in the house!

[David Chirot]

Dear JMB:
 
Thanks so much--i can't wait to see the LAFT!
I have another bundle of works i am copying today to send you--mostly rubbings from hither and yon about Milwaukee--also, to borrow your title: "A HEAP OF HAIKU"!
yes--a heap of the little buggers!
i lookl sop fwd to being in touch again--with you and the world of fellow poets/artists/agitators--
i was off email so long it was a huge shock to be back on it--let alone in a cyber cafe! you'd think i was rip van winkle--
not to mention where i lived and still do much of the last fifteen months or so--in the ghettos here--and last year pretty much--well, it was all criminals and we were pretty stirctly confined--so that was a shock just being OUT!
so everything seems at onnce astooundingly fresh--and yet eerily familiar
like living in a home/foreign land--known as THE UNCANNY!
here is my august address:
david baptiste chirot
2713 W. Richardson Place #311
Milwaukee, WI 53208
oh--with the haiku and rubbings--and some collages--will send as well some photos--can always use the latter for dart baords!
onwo/ards, as ever and allways, dear friend and exemplar--
david baptiste

>From: "John M. Bennett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>Subject: FLUXLIST: Chirot 
>Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 08:19:30 -0500 
> 
>Calling Dave Baptiste Chirot! What is your current postal address? 
>I have an iddue of LAFT to send you, and it was returned from last 
>address. 
> 
>reply backchannel - 
>Thx., 
>John 
>__ 
>Dr. John M. Bennett 
>Curator, Avant Writing Collection 
>Rare Books & Manuscripts Library 
>The Ohio State University Libraries 
>1858 Neil Av Mall 
>Columbus, OH 43210 USA 
> 
>(614) 292-8114 
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FLUXLIST: Fwd: "modern art as a deliberate form of torture"

[David Chirot]

Dear Friends & Fellow Workers 
a friend just sent this to me
at the Juneau Station Post Office (corner of Jackson and Juneau in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, usa)--
a very good work by the Riverwest Artits Association (RAA)--
last year they lost there gallery space--
so decided to hold a show in the space they had left--a medium sized post office box--
it is now on display traveling through the post offices of Milwaukee through this year--
it is the post office box--and inside, chair, small persons, paintings on walls, objects, mini-sculptures
not Mail Art so to speak--but a lovely cousin!
onwo/ards
"En avant Dada"
ZADA-
david baptiste












> 
>Anarchists and the fine art of torture 
> 
>Spanish art historian says they put enemies in disorienting cells 
> 
>Giles Tremlett in Madrid 
>Monday January 27, 2003 
>The Guardian 
> 
>A Spanish art historian has uncovered what was alleged to be the 
>first use of modern art as a deliberate form of torture, with the 
>discovery that mind-bending prison cells were built by anarchist 
>artists 65 years ago during the country's bloody civil war. 
> 
>Bauhaus artists such as Kandinsky, Klee and Itten, as well as the 
>surrealist film-maker Luis Bunuel and his friend Salvador Dali, were 
>said to be the inspiration behind a series of secret cells and 
>torture centres built in Barcelona and elsewhere, yesterday's El 
>Pais newspaper reported. 
> 
>Most were the work of an enthusiastic French anarchist, Alphonse 
>Laurencic, who invented a form of "psychotechnic" torture, according 
>to the research of the historian Jose Milicua. 
> 
>Mr Milicua's information came from a written account of Laurencic's 
>trial before a Francoist military tribunal. That 1939 account was 
>written by a man called R L Chacon who, like anybody allowed to 
>publish by the newly installed dictatorship, could not have been 
>expected to feel any sympathy for what Nazi Germany had already 
>denounced as "degenerative art". 
> 
>Laurencic, who claimed to be a painter and conductor in civilian 
>life, created his so-called "coloured cells" as a contribution to 
>the fight against General Franco's rightwing rebel forces. 
> 
>They may also have been used to house members of other leftwing 
>factions battling for power with the anarchist National 
>Confederation of Workers, to which Laurencic belonged. 
> 
>The cells, built in 1938 and reportedly hidden from foreign 
>journalists who visited the makeshift jails on Vallmajor and 
>Saragossa streets, were as inspired by ideas of geometric 
>abstraction and surrealism as they were by avant garde art theories 
>on the psychological properties of colours. 
> 
>Beds were placed at a 20 degree angle, making them near-impossible 
>to sleep on, and the floors of the 6ft by 3ft cells was scattered 
>with bricks and other geometric blocks to prevent prisoners from 
>walking backwards and forwards, according to the account of 
>Laurencic's trial. 
> 
>The only option left to prisoners was staring at the walls, which 
>were curved and covered with mind-altering patterns of cubes, 
>squares, straight lines and spirals which utilised tricks of colour, 
>perspective and scale to cause mental confusion and distress. 
> 
>Lighting effects gave the impression that the dizzying patterns on 
>the wall were moving. 
> 
>A stone bench was similarly designed to send a prisoner sliding to 
>the floor when he or she sat down, Mr Milicua said. Some cells were 
>painted with tar so that they would warm up in the sun and produce 
>asphyxiating heat. 
> 
>Laurencic told the military court that he had been commissioned to 
>build the cells by an anarchist leader who had heard of similar ones 
>used elsewhere in the republican zone during the civil war, possibly 
>in Valencia. 
> 
>Mr Milicua has claimed that Laurencic preferred to use the colour 
>green because, according to his theory of the psychological effects 
>of various colours, it produced melancholy and sadness in prisoners. 
> 
>But it appears that Barcelona was not the only place where avant 
>garde art was used to torture Franco's supporters. 
> 
>According to the prosecutors who put Laurencic on trial in 1939, a 
>jail in Murcia in south-east Spain forced prisoners to view the 
>infamously disturbing scene from Dali and Bunuel's film Un Chien 
>Andalou, in which an eyeball is sliced open. 
> 
>El Pais commented: "The avant garde forms of the moment - surrealism 
>and geometric abstraction - were thus used for the aim of committing 
>psychological torture. 
> 
>"The creators of such revolutionary and liberating [artistic] 
>languages could never have imagined that they would be so 
>intrinsically linked to repression." 
> 
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Re: FLUXLIST: URGENT ASSISTANCE NEEDED - FROM USA

[David Chirot]

mes amis:
  sorry, i was cut off--
bush and company have their own don't ask, just tell
policy--
they will get their money by hook or by crook not to mention
lobbies, and legislation--
they won't invoke oil--they'll invoke God and Security
for the Homeland
brutal thugs don't request assitance--
they just take everything you've got
in the name of God and the USA--









From: "cecil touchon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: URGENT ASSISTANCE NEEDED - FROM USA
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 13:17:54 -0800

This is - of course - a spoof letter but your right, the spelling was too
good for G.W.B. which suggests one of his underlings may have written it.
No action other than letting the president know your personal feeling on 
the
subject is intended.
cecil

- Original Message -
From: mIEKAL aND <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 10:24 AM
Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: URGENT ASSISTANCE NEEDED - FROM USA


> I think the address to the white house is pretty easy to find.
>
> On Sunday, January 26, 2003, at 02:02 PM, cecil touchon wrote:
>
> > well, the only place listed to send money to is the Internal Revenue
> > Service
> > and no address is offered.
> > cecil
> > - Original Message -
> > From: mIEKAL aND <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 9:20 AM
> > Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: URGENT ASSISTANCE NEEDED - FROM USA
> >
> >
> >> the only problem I can see with this piece is that people are 
actually
> >> gonna believe it & send money.  the nigerian scam has netted millions
> >> last time I heard...
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sunday, January 26, 2003, at 11:10 AM, Roger Stevens wrote:
> >>
> >>> Excellent
> >>>
> >>> except the spelling was a tad too accurate
> >>>
> >>> this makes me suspect it is not genuine
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> The Poetry Zone http://www.poetryzone.co.uk
> >>> Danny Chaucer http://www.dannychaucer.com
> >>> - Original Message -
> >>> From: "cecil touchon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>> Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 7:28 PM
> >>> Subject: FLUXLIST: URGENT ASSISTANCE NEEDED - FROM USA
> >>>
> >>>
>  URGENT ASSISTANCE NEEDED - FROM USA
> 
>  IMMEDIATE ATTENTION NEEDED :
>  HIGHLY CONFIDENTIAL
> 
>  FROM: GEORGE WALKER BUSH
>  202.456.1414 / 202.456.
>  FAX: 202.456.2461
> 
>  DEAR SIR / MADAM,
> 
>  I AM GEORGE WALKER BUSH, SON OF THE FORMER
>  PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
>  GEORGE HERBERT WALKER BUSH, AND CURRENTLY
>  SERVING AS PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES
>  OF AMERICA. THIS LETTER MIGHT SURPRISE YOU
>  BECAUSE WE HAVE NOT MET NEITHER IN PERSON
>  NOR BY CORRESPONDENCE. I CAME TO KNOW OF
>  YOU IN MY SEARCH FOR A RELIABLE AND REPUTABLE
>  PERSON TO HANDLE A VERY CONFIDENTIAL BUSINESS
>  TRANSACTION,  WHICH INVOLVES THE TRANSFER OF A
>  HUGE SUM OF MONEY TO AN ACCOUNT REQUIRING
>  MAXIMUM CONFIDENCE.
> 
>  I AM WRITING YOU IN ABSOLUTE CONFIDENCE
>  PRIMARILY TO SEEK YOUR ASSISTANCE IN
>  ACQUIRING OIL FUNDS THAT ARE PRESENTLY
>  TRAPPED IN THE REPUBLIC OF IRAQ. MY PARTNERS
>  AND I SOLICIT YOUR ASSISTANCE IN COMPLETING A
>  TRANSACTION BEGUN BY MY FATHER, WHO HAS LONG BEEN
>  ACTIVELY ENGAGED IN THE EXTRACTION OF PETROLEUM IN
>  THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND BRAVELY SERVED HIS
>  COUNTRY AS DIRECTOR OF THE UNITED STATES
>  CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE AGENCY.
> 
>  IN THE DECADE OF THE NINETEEN-EIGHTIES,
>  MY FATHER, THEN VICE-PRESIDENT OF THE
>  UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, SOUGHT TO WORK
>  WITH THE GOOD OFFICES OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE
>  REPUBLIC OF IRAQ TO REGAIN LOST OIL REVENUE
>  SOURCES IN THE NEIGHBORING ISLAMIC REPUBLIC
>  OF IRAN. THIS UNSUCCESSFUL VENTURE WAS SOON
>  FOLLOWED BY A FALLING OUT WITH HIS IRAQI
>  PARTNER, WHO SOUGHT TO ACQUIRE ADDITIONAL OIL
>  REVENUE SOURCES IN THE NEIGHBORING EMIRATE
>  OF KUWAIT, A WHOLLY-OWNED U.S.-BRITISH
>  SUBSIDIARY.
> 
>  MY FATHER RE-SECURED THE PETROLEUM ASSETS OF
>  KUWAIT IN 1991 AT A COST OF SIXTY-ONE BILLION U.S.
>  DOLLARS ($61,000,000,000). OUT OF THAT COST, THIRTY-SIX
>  BILLION DOLLARS ($36,000,000,000) WERE SUPPLIED BY
>  HIS PARTNERS IN THE KINGDOM OF SAUDI ARABIA
>  AND OTHER PERSIAN GULF MONARCHIES, AND
>  SIXTEEN BILLION DOLLARS ($16,000,000,000) BY
>  GERMAN AND JAPANESE PARTNERS. BUT MY FATHER'S FORMER
>  IRAQI BUSINESS PARTNER REMAINED IN CONTROL OF
>  THE REPUBLIC OF IRAQ AND ITS PETROLEUM RESERVES.
> 
>  MY FAMILY IS CALLING FOR YOUR URGENT ASSISTANCE
>  IN FUNDING THE REMOVAL OF THE PRESIDENT OF
>  THE REPUBLIC OF IRAQ AND ACQUIRING THE
>  PETROLEUM ASSETS OF HIS COUNTRY, AS COMPENSATION
>  FOR THE COSTS OF REMOVING HIM FROM POWER.
>  UNFOR

Re: FLUXLIST: URGENT ASSISTANCE NEEDED - FROM USA

[David Chirot]

mes amis!

   jeekers! i can't beliueve anyone is taking this seriously!
   the rhetoric is all wrong--if you have listened to good old
   boy talk--
   bush and his henchpeople don't ASK for money--THEY TELL
  YOU--








From: "cecil touchon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: URGENT ASSISTANCE NEEDED - FROM USA
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 13:17:54 -0800

This is - of course - a spoof letter but your right, the spelling was too
good for G.W.B. which suggests one of his underlings may have written it.
No action other than letting the president know your personal feeling on 
the
subject is intended.
cecil

- Original Message -
From: mIEKAL aND <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 10:24 AM
Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: URGENT ASSISTANCE NEEDED - FROM USA


> I think the address to the white house is pretty easy to find.
>
> On Sunday, January 26, 2003, at 02:02 PM, cecil touchon wrote:
>
> > well, the only place listed to send money to is the Internal Revenue
> > Service
> > and no address is offered.
> > cecil
> > - Original Message -
> > From: mIEKAL aND <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 9:20 AM
> > Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: URGENT ASSISTANCE NEEDED - FROM USA
> >
> >
> >> the only problem I can see with this piece is that people are 
actually
> >> gonna believe it & send money.  the nigerian scam has netted millions
> >> last time I heard...
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sunday, January 26, 2003, at 11:10 AM, Roger Stevens wrote:
> >>
> >>> Excellent
> >>>
> >>> except the spelling was a tad too accurate
> >>>
> >>> this makes me suspect it is not genuine
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> The Poetry Zone http://www.poetryzone.co.uk
> >>> Danny Chaucer http://www.dannychaucer.com
> >>> - Original Message -
> >>> From: "cecil touchon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>> Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 7:28 PM
> >>> Subject: FLUXLIST: URGENT ASSISTANCE NEEDED - FROM USA
> >>>
> >>>
>  URGENT ASSISTANCE NEEDED - FROM USA
> 
>  IMMEDIATE ATTENTION NEEDED :
>  HIGHLY CONFIDENTIAL
> 
>  FROM: GEORGE WALKER BUSH
>  202.456.1414 / 202.456.
>  FAX: 202.456.2461
> 
>  DEAR SIR / MADAM,
> 
>  I AM GEORGE WALKER BUSH, SON OF THE FORMER
>  PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
>  GEORGE HERBERT WALKER BUSH, AND CURRENTLY
>  SERVING AS PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES
>  OF AMERICA. THIS LETTER MIGHT SURPRISE YOU
>  BECAUSE WE HAVE NOT MET NEITHER IN PERSON
>  NOR BY CORRESPONDENCE. I CAME TO KNOW OF
>  YOU IN MY SEARCH FOR A RELIABLE AND REPUTABLE
>  PERSON TO HANDLE A VERY CONFIDENTIAL BUSINESS
>  TRANSACTION,  WHICH INVOLVES THE TRANSFER OF A
>  HUGE SUM OF MONEY TO AN ACCOUNT REQUIRING
>  MAXIMUM CONFIDENCE.
> 
>  I AM WRITING YOU IN ABSOLUTE CONFIDENCE
>  PRIMARILY TO SEEK YOUR ASSISTANCE IN
>  ACQUIRING OIL FUNDS THAT ARE PRESENTLY
>  TRAPPED IN THE REPUBLIC OF IRAQ. MY PARTNERS
>  AND I SOLICIT YOUR ASSISTANCE IN COMPLETING A
>  TRANSACTION BEGUN BY MY FATHER, WHO HAS LONG BEEN
>  ACTIVELY ENGAGED IN THE EXTRACTION OF PETROLEUM IN
>  THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND BRAVELY SERVED HIS
>  COUNTRY AS DIRECTOR OF THE UNITED STATES
>  CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE AGENCY.
> 
>  IN THE DECADE OF THE NINETEEN-EIGHTIES,
>  MY FATHER, THEN VICE-PRESIDENT OF THE
>  UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, SOUGHT TO WORK
>  WITH THE GOOD OFFICES OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE
>  REPUBLIC OF IRAQ TO REGAIN LOST OIL REVENUE
>  SOURCES IN THE NEIGHBORING ISLAMIC REPUBLIC
>  OF IRAN. THIS UNSUCCESSFUL VENTURE WAS SOON
>  FOLLOWED BY A FALLING OUT WITH HIS IRAQI
>  PARTNER, WHO SOUGHT TO ACQUIRE ADDITIONAL OIL
>  REVENUE SOURCES IN THE NEIGHBORING EMIRATE
>  OF KUWAIT, A WHOLLY-OWNED U.S.-BRITISH
>  SUBSIDIARY.
> 
>  MY FATHER RE-SECURED THE PETROLEUM ASSETS OF
>  KUWAIT IN 1991 AT A COST OF SIXTY-ONE BILLION U.S.
>  DOLLARS ($61,000,000,000). OUT OF THAT COST, THIRTY-SIX
>  BILLION DOLLARS ($36,000,000,000) WERE SUPPLIED BY
>  HIS PARTNERS IN THE KINGDOM OF SAUDI ARABIA
>  AND OTHER PERSIAN GULF MONARCHIES, AND
>  SIXTEEN BILLION DOLLARS ($16,000,000,000) BY
>  GERMAN AND JAPANESE PARTNERS. BUT MY FATHER'S FORMER
>  IRAQI BUSINESS PARTNER REMAINED IN CONTROL OF
>  THE REPUBLIC OF IRAQ AND ITS PETROLEUM RESERVES.
> 
>  MY FAMILY IS CALLING FOR YOUR URGENT ASSISTANCE
>  IN FUNDING THE REMOVAL OF THE PRESIDENT OF
>  THE REPUBLIC OF IRAQ AND ACQUIRING THE
>  PETROLEUM ASSETS OF HIS COUNTRY, AS COMPENSATION
>  FOR THE COSTS OF REMOVING HIM FROM POWER.
>  UNFORTUNATELY, OUR PARTNERS FROM 1991 ARE NOT
>  WILLING TO SHOULDER THE BURDEN OF THIS
>  NEW VENTURE, WHICH IN ITS UPCOMING PHASE
>  MAY COST THE SUM OF 100 BILLION TO 200 BILLION
> >>>

Re: FLUXLIST: object and location

[David Chirot]

OBJECT: parking lot
LOCATION: between w. richardson & kilbourn, milwaukee, wi

parking lot as an object:
a "sounding space"
just record it for a bit
amazing space
action!
noise!
trouble!







From: "Alex Cook" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: object and location
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 12:11:34 -0800

robot, Tokyo



Alex
NP: Jim O'Rourke - I am happy, and I'm singing and a 1,2,3,4




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Re: FLUXLIST: call for additional participants!

[David Chirot]

dear kinghaircut@superfantastique
--(is this perhaps a hair salon?
--there is one in our neighborhood called "curl up & dye"!
anyways
yes!
i would like to particpate in the card project game!
--ever pokerfaced,





From: "David William" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: "FLuX-LisT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: FLUXLIST: call for additional participants!
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 10:20:17 -0800


An update on the COLLABORATIVE CARD GAME:

The project is still in need of participants!  I've sent out 20 cards, and 
I've done mine... that leaves 31
slots open!
For those of you who didn't see the call first time around, here are the 
basics:

-I send out one card from a deck to each of 51 participants. (With the 52nd 
being myself.)
-Each participant affects the face side of their card -- paint/write on, 
collage, whatever -- either leaving
the number and suit visible, or  by writing "jack of clubs" or what have 
you very small at the bottom, or
otherwise indicating what card it is.  (To preserve the playability)
-Each participant returns their card to me, and I assemble the completed 
deck.
-I will play with the deck and send it on to another participant, along 
with a full list of participants &
their addresses.  Each person will play with the deck, then send it on to 
the next person.  The idea is
to have the deck "in play" for one week per participant, making 52 weeks -- 
one year of play with the
collaboratively created deck.
(This part will have to be done kind of loosely, allowing for 
time-in-transit.  Each person will get a
week in possession of the deck, and THAT will count toward the 52 weeks.)

PLEASE forward this on to anyone who might be interested!

And feel free to contact me with any questions/comments/etc.

DavidWilliam
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
178a Cedar Swamp
Storrs, CT  06268   USA








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Re: FLUXLIST: DESCRIBE AN ARTWORK

[David Chirot]

NAME:  david baptiste chirot
OCCUPATION: anarkeyology
POSTAL ADDRESS:  2713 w. richardson place #311  milwaukee, wi  53208 usa
EMAIL: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

name of the arwork:  the ten fragmeants

ten sheets laid out on floor/taped to wall
A4 size paper
one each one, forms made by spray painting objects from street, pressing 
paper onto them
these interspersed with spray painted raised letters off objects found in 
streets
letters are of course thus backwards--and fragmeanted
interspersed on some with black rubbings done with lumber crayon off sites 
in streets bearing letterings and forms such as humans with the NO sign on 
them--sitting ones and standing ones, male and female
as well as various forms such as arrows, machine part blueprints, etc
the colors of the paints are blue, black and red
the letterings on rubbings are of course left to right--fragmeanted and 
whole ones arranged in forms working in rhythms with the spray painted 
letterings and forms







From: craiggell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: DESCRIBE AN ARTWORK
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 15:03:30 +

on 17/1/03 14:18pm, zoe marsh at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> If you could fill this in and return it to me I would really appreciate 
it.
> Its for something new I'm working on, thanks, zoe

 Name: Craig Gell
 Occupation: Student
 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Postal address: 2 St.Donnatts Road, New Cross, London, SE14 6NR, UK

> Please use the space below to describe an artwork.

 Three coasters made of transparent perspex (so thats about 100mm x 100mm 
of
about 5mm plastic), each with a different design printed on - 1) a webpage
2) orion's belt 3) a target of somesort, possibly cross-hairs - hence you
look through the coasters and things/people to create a cross fertilisation
of images and context.



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FLUXLIST: Need info re fluxbox so can participate

[David Chirot]

Sorry i am very far behind with many messages to catch up on--
let alone "the lost years"
"the lost works"
"the lost civilizations"
the lost key, the lost child, the lost wallet, the lost ID, the lost mind, 
the lost lighter, the lost address--
O!--the losing streak, the lost illusions, the lost bets--
well, one could go on!
i closed the "Lost" section of the "Lost and Found"
once i was lost
and now i'm found
but what you may find for me
anyone, please--
the following information:
for the FLUXBOX--

how many pieces needed--copies/originals
max/min sizes
deadline
whom do i send it to,-- at what address?

i see that there is as yet no name?
no theme?

well--we can't use things like
"send your boys home in a box"
or
"life is like a box of chocolates"
or "all boxed in"
or "litte boxes/on the hillside/all made of ticky tacky"
or
"matchbox Blues"
or anything to do with Boxing!
Lord have mercy, Don King wd be putting the Big Move on on that one!
nor Cigar Box, Empty Box, Shoe Box, Boxer Shorts--
"Box cars box cars box cars"
(to quote Allen Ginsberg)
nor Box Tops . . .
nor "the Idiot Box"--
Gift Box?
or something to do with packaging?
or
"Presents/Presence"
or, for community/communication:
Flux/Us
certainly NOT "Pandora's Box"!
nor--Soap Box, nor Luxury Box
Lunch Box?
i took my lunch box
mounted the soap box
and opened Pandora's Box
a large man commanded me to box--
i sent him home in a box
now please send me the info
in my Mail Box!
old missing his marbles and a few teeth, too--
david baptiste





From: Carol Starr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: BOX 2 / cdr
Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 08:38:25 -0700

btw, what are we calling it?

i like BOX 2

could also be fluxlist box 2
or fluxbox 2
or.
or

bests, carol



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Re: FLUXLIST: ARTE POSTAL IN COSTA RICA

[David Chirot]

Yes--please send the info so can send work pronto
deadline theme address size etc
wd be much appreciated!
onwo/ards!
david baptiste







From: "zoe marsh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: FLUXLIST: ARTE POSTAL IN COSTA RICA
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 12:57:46 +



thanks Carol for forwarding information about the Exposicion de Arte Postal 
in Costa Rica. I will be sending some work but dont really know where its 
going. Is anyone else sending anything? Is there anything else you can tell 
me about this event? zoe



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FLUXLIST: hAppY nEw yEARS/hello again

[David Chirot]

Happy New Years fellow fluxlist workers

wanted to say hello again as not on the web for close to two years

as a broadside i found on street half obscured by new fallen snow told me:

HE LIVES!

looking forward to participating in all the upcoming events and projects 
conversations

THE DEAD SEE SCRAWLS

onwo/ards!--
david baptiste chirot

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