Re: Problems installing FreeBSD 4.0 20000125-CURRENT

[Giorgos Keramidas]

On Thu, Jan 27, 2000 at 06:53:51PM -0800, Mike Smith wrote:
> 
> The only argument for having a dysfunctional hostname of the variety you 
> describe is vanity, which is not a valid engineering constraint.

Or that you're behind a dialup connection that dynamically assigns IPs.

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Re: Problems installing FreeBSD 4.0 20000125-CURRENT

[Daniel C. Sobral]

Kazutaka YOKOTA wrote:
> 
> I have had reports on similar lockup in both 4.0-CURRENT and 3.X.
> I personally have not been able to reproduce it, but now my new sand box
> machine exhibits this problem occasionally.
> 
> The I/O access to the AT keyboard by the atkbd driver have not changed
> much for the last couple of years, despite massive source tree
> reorganization.  And yes, problem reports started to pop-up since
> sometime around the last summer.
> 
> I have not been able to track down the cause of the problem, but
> am suspecting possibility of the clock/timer problem.

It happens with me from time to time. It is NOT related to kernel, since
it happens between boot0 and boot2. It will happen when I'm typing
something during boot, so it's probably some sort of race. Symptons
include keys having weird mappings, and some keys not mapping to
anything at all, after boot. At boot2/loader, no keypress is recognized
at all.

Very rare.

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Re: Keyboard problem (was: Re: Problems installing FreeBSD 4.0 20000125-CURRENT)

[Mike Smith]

> Ok, guys.
> 
> This is another patch for the atkbd driver.  I expect this one is
> better than my previous one.  Remove the previous patch and try this
> one instead.  Stress the keyboard (like hitting the Return key twice
> when booting the system), and see if it works.

Just in case you hadn't picked it up yet; at least some of the systems 
that see the keyboard problems see them _before_ the kernel is loaded.

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Re: Problems installing FreeBSD 4.0 20000125-CURRENT

[Garrett Wollman]

< said:

> Since the hostname is simply a plain-text token for the IP address

Wrong.

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Re: Problems installing FreeBSD 4.0 20000125-CURRENT

[Stephen McKay]

On Thursday, 27th January 2000, "Rodney W. Grimes" wrote:

>> < 
>said:
>> 
>> >> 3. On the first reboot after installing, the keyboard was in a funny
>> >> state.

>I have seen this on numerious occasion, but have never tracked it down
>to any one specific thing.  All on desktop and servers, but thats
>only because we don't do laptops.
>
>I have not seen it in quite some time (about a month), so I am thinking
>it has probably been unknowingly fixed someplace.  I'll keep an eye
>out for it.

I had this problem on several machines back around version 3.2.  I assumed
it was a problem between X11 and the keyboard driver.  I added a 2 second
delay before starting xdm and had no problems after that.  I've not seen
the problem without X11 being involved.  I admit I just forgot about it
after I got my workstation going. :-(

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Keyboard problem (was: Re: Problems installing FreeBSD 4.0 20000125-CURRENT)

[Kazutaka YOKOTA]

Ok, guys.

This is another patch for the atkbd driver.  I expect this one is
better than my previous one.  Remove the previous patch and try this
one instead.  Stress the keyboard (like hitting the Return key twice
when booting the system), and see if it works.

Thank you.

Kazu

>> I have on a number of occasions had my laptop boot with a
>> non-functional keyboard.  Sometimes the keyboard is just locked; other
>> times it generates garbage.  Never managed to isolate the
>> circumstances in which this happened (but it didn't happen with a
>> kernel from last September or there-abouts).  Haven't had it happen on
>> a desktop or server yet.
>
>I have seen this on numerious occasion, but have never tracked it down
>to any one specific thing.  All on desktop and servers, but thats
>only because we don't do laptops.
>
>I have not seen it in quite some time (about a month), so I am thinking
>it has probably been unknowingly fixed someplace.  I'll keep an eye
>out for it.
>
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Index: atkbd.c
===
RCS file: /src/CVS/src/sys/dev/kbd/atkbd.c,v
retrieving revision 1.22
diff -u -r1.22 atkbd.c
--- atkbd.c 2000/01/20 13:32:53 1.22
+++ atkbd.c 2000/01/28 02:11:50
@@ -1084,8 +1097,11 @@
return ENXIO;
}
 
+   /* temporarily block data transmission from the keyboard */
+   write_controller_command(kbdc, KBDC_DISABLE_KBD_PORT);
+
/* flush any noise in the buffer */
-   empty_both_buffers(kbdc, 10);
+   empty_both_buffers(kbdc, 100);
 
/* save the current keyboard controller command byte */
m = kbdc_get_device_mask(kbdc) & ~KBD_KBD_CONTROL_BITS;
@@ -1133,8 +1148,11 @@
return EIO;
}
 
+   /* temporarily block data transmission from the keyboard */
+   write_controller_command(kbdc, KBDC_DISABLE_KBD_PORT);
+
/* save the current controller command byte */
empty_both_buffers(kbdc, 200);
c = get_controller_command_byte(kbdc);
if (c == -1) {
/* CONTROLLER ERROR */












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Re: Problems installing FreeBSD 4.0 20000125-CURRENT

[John Baldwin]

On 28-Jan-00 Mike Smith wrote:
>> On Thu, Jan 27, 2000 at 04:20:54PM -0800, Mike Smith wrote:
>> >
>> > Actually, the problem here is that our dhclient doesn't pick the hostname 
>> > up the first time around.  If it's set in an existing lease that is just 
>> > confirmed, it works, but if you're starting without a lease, you won't 
>> > get a hostname set (but it will be in the lease file, so if you restart 
>> > before the lease expires you're OK).
>> 
>> Are you sure?  In the case I know you experience, the server changed its
>> behavior WRT handing out hostnames.  I don't doubt that such a switch
>> mid-stream in using DHCP would confuse things.
> 
> Quite sure.  I have several machines installed with the 26th snapshot 
> that aren't setting the hostname correctly.  You were present when the 
> hostname issuing from the server problem was fixed, and the clients were 
> still not picking them up then.
> 
>> > Personally I'd prefer to just fix the DHCP client so that it correctly 
>> > sets the hostname as obtained from the server...
>> 
>> Nope.  Poll larger shops first on their DHCP usage.
> 
> Correct behaviour would be not to set the hostname unless:
> 
>  a) it is not already set
> or
>  b) it was previously set by the DHCP client
> 
> You could probably ignore b) and satisfy most people.  At the moment, the 
> hostname is _never_ set by the DHCP client _unless_ it finds a lease that 
> is still valid.  This is clearly a bug.

Uh, no.  It is set ok on the initial bootup.  The lab of 30 or so FreeBSD
machines I run at school use DHCP to get their hostnames and the current
dhclient-script works perfectly:

[0:28:21] (ttyp2) jobaldwi@raspberry:~
> grep hostname
/etc/rc.conf
hostname=""

[0:28:27] (ttyp2) jobaldwi@raspberry:~
> grep host-name /var/db/dhclient.leases
  option host-name "raspberry.cslab.vt.edu";
  option host-name "raspberry.cslab.vt.edu";
  option host-name "raspberry.cslab.vt.edu";
  option host-name "raspberry.cslab.vt.edu";
  option host-name "raspberry.cslab.vt.edu";
  option host-name "raspberry.cslab.vt.edu";
  option host-name "raspberry.cslab.vt.edu";

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Re: Problems installing FreeBSD 4.0 20000125-CURRENT

[John Baldwin]

On 28-Jan-00 Warner Losh wrote:
> In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Garrett Wollman writes:
>: < said:
>: 
>: > That's not correct; your DHCP configuration should reflect the hostname.
>: 
>: No, it shouldn't.  As I keep on trying to explain, the DHCP addresses
>: are:
>: 
>:  1) Temporary.
>:  2) Meaningless.
>:  3) Temporary.
>:  4) Temporary.
>:  5) Temporary.
> 
> That reminds me.  sysinstall *SHOULD*NOT* hard code the IP address
> that it gets from dhcp into rc.conf.  I've seen this in 3.2, but
> haven't tried since then to reproduce this.
> 
> Warner

It doesn't do this on 3.3 or 3.4.

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Re: Problems installing FreeBSD 4.0 20000125-CURRENT

[Rodney W. Grimes]

> < said:
> 
> >> 3. On the first reboot after installing, the keyboard was in a funny
> >> state.
> 
> > Urk, can't reproduce it.  I need a reproducible sequence of operations
> > before we'll have any hope of tackling this one.
> 
> >> Control-alt-del definitely didn't work, so I had to power off and
> >> reboot.  This hasn't repeated itself.
> 
> > Same here.
> 
> I have on a number of occasions had my laptop boot with a
> non-functional keyboard.  Sometimes the keyboard is just locked; other
> times it generates garbage.  Never managed to isolate the
> circumstances in which this happened (but it didn't happen with a
> kernel from last September or there-abouts).  Haven't had it happen on
> a desktop or server yet.

I have seen this on numerious occasion, but have never tracked it down
to any one specific thing.  All on desktop and servers, but thats
only because we don't do laptops.

I have not seen it in quite some time (about a month), so I am thinking
it has probably been unknowingly fixed someplace.  I'll keep an eye
out for it.

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Re: Problems installing FreeBSD 4.0 20000125-CURRENT

[Warner Losh]

In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Mike Smith writes:
: > That reminds me.  sysinstall *SHOULD*NOT* hard code the IP address
: > that it gets from dhcp into rc.conf.  I've seen this in 3.2, but
: > haven't tried since then to reproduce this.
: 
: It doesn't do that anymore; it was a nasty hack to work around not having 
: been able to sell BPF in the kernel in time for 3.2.  Now that it's in 
: GENERIC, we can run the DHCP client after installation.

Glad to hear it.  One less thing to double check before the release...

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Re: Problems installing FreeBSD 4.0 20000125-CURRENT

[Mike Smith]

> That reminds me.  sysinstall *SHOULD*NOT* hard code the IP address
> that it gets from dhcp into rc.conf.  I've seen this in 3.2, but
> haven't tried since then to reproduce this.

It doesn't do that anymore; it was a nasty hack to work around not having 
been able to sell BPF in the kernel in time for 3.2.  Now that it's in 
GENERIC, we can run the DHCP client after installation.

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Re: Problems installing FreeBSD 4.0 20000125-CURRENT

[Warner Losh]

In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Garrett Wollman writes:
: < said:
: 
: > That's not correct; your DHCP configuration should reflect the hostname.
: 
: No, it shouldn't.  As I keep on trying to explain, the DHCP addresses
: are:
: 
:   1) Temporary.
:   2) Meaningless.
:   3) Temporary.
:   4) Temporary.
:   5) Temporary.

That reminds me.  sysinstall *SHOULD*NOT* hard code the IP address
that it gets from dhcp into rc.conf.  I've seen this in 3.2, but
haven't tried since then to reproduce this.

Warner


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Re: Problems installing FreeBSD 4.0 20000125-CURRENT

[Warner Losh]

In message  Alex Zepeda writes:
: in a row quickly occasionally screw up.  Also sometimes I'll be able to
: catch the screwed up booter when I notice that it doesn't respond to me
: hitting enter (In 9 seconds... hit enter.. 8 seconds.. hit enter.. 7
: seconds... hit reset).

I've also seen this on my laptop from time to time.  Half the time
when this happens, the scan codes are all messed up once I get to
multi-user.

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Re: Problems installing FreeBSD 4.0 20000125-CURRENT

[Andrew Reilly]

On Thu, Jan 27, 2000 at 06:53:51PM -0800, Mike Smith wrote:
> Since the hostname is simply a plain-text token for the IP address, it 
> has to remain bound to the IP address (whether that binding is fixed or 
> dynamic is outside the scope of this discussion).  Having a hostname that 
> doesn't map to your IP address is a misconfiguration, and not a useful 
> one at that.

My system has two ethernet cards, and two IP addresses.  One of
these is assigned by DHCP and the other is fixed, on my local
network.  I prefer for my hostname to relate to the local address.

Just another data point.

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Re: Problems installing FreeBSD 4.0 20000125-CURRENT

[David O'Brien]

On Thu, Jan 27, 2000 at 06:22:55PM -0800, Mike Smith wrote:
> Correct behaviour would be not to set the hostname unless:
>  a) it is not already set
> or
>  b) it was previously set by the DHCP client
> 
> You could probably ignore b) and satisfy most people.  At the moment, the 
> hostname is _never_ set by the DHCP client _unless_ it finds a lease that 
> is still valid.  This is clearly a bug.

Agreed.  I will happily accept a patch anybody that got to this before I
manage do.

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Re: Problems installing FreeBSD 4.0 20000125-CURRENT

[David O'Brien]

On Thu, Jan 27, 2000 at 09:26:44PM -0500, Garrett Wollman wrote:
> < said:
> 
> > That's not correct; your DHCP configuration should reflect the hostname.
> 
> No, it shouldn't.  As I keep on trying to explain, the DHCP addresses
> are:
^^
usually

>   1) Temporary.
>   2) Meaningless.
>   3) Temporary.

But if one does not specify a hostname in sysinstall with the intention
of having DHCP hand it out and it be used; then I do have a bug to fix.

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Re: Problems installing FreeBSD 4.0 20000125-CURRENT

[Mike Smith]

> < said:
> 
> > That's not correct; your DHCP configuration should reflect the hostname.
> 
> No, it shouldn't.  As I keep on trying to explain, the DHCP addresses
> are:
> 
>   1) Temporary.
>   2) Meaningless.
>   3) Temporary.
>   4) Temporary.
>   5) Temporary.

Since the hostname is simply a plain-text token for the IP address, it 
has to remain bound to the IP address (whether that binding is fixed or 
dynamic is outside the scope of this discussion).  Having a hostname that 
doesn't map to your IP address is a misconfiguration, and not a useful 
one at that.

The only argument for having a dysfunctional hostname of the variety you 
describe is vanity, which is not a valid engineering constraint.

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Re: Problems installing FreeBSD 4.0 20000125-CURRENT

[Garrett Wollman]

< said:

> That's not correct; your DHCP configuration should reflect the hostname.

No, it shouldn't.  As I keep on trying to explain, the DHCP addresses
are:

1) Temporary.
2) Meaningless.
3) Temporary.
4) Temporary.
5) Temporary.

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Re: Problems installing FreeBSD 4.0 20000125-CURRENT

[Alex Zepeda]

On Thu, 27 Jan 2000, Bill Fenner wrote:

> 
> >Right.  I've seen this when I hit Enter rapidly twice at the first
> >loader prompt.  Doesn't ever happen if I wait for the second
> >prompt.
> 
> That's my impression too -- I've seen it on my laptop when I do
> that (sometimes), and I may have hit enter twice rapidly on this
> reboot.

Yup I've seen this too on my trusty Micron.  I've found that hitting
space, to get to the forth prompt, and then typing boot and then thwacking
enter is a sure fire way to get it to boot correctly.  Hitting enter twice
in a row quickly occasionally screw up.  Also sometimes I'll be able to
catch the screwed up booter when I notice that it doesn't respond to me
hitting enter (In 9 seconds... hit enter.. 8 seconds.. hit enter.. 7
seconds... hit reset).

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Re: Problems installing FreeBSD 4.0 20000125-CURRENT

[Mike Smith]

> > That's not correct; your DHCP configuration should reflect the hostname.
> > 
> > Sysinstall doesn't fill in the hostname field because the crunched binary 
> > is missing the hostname(1) command.  If we were to add that, it's just 
> > possible that we'd get hostnames working too.
> 
> Actually, that's not quite true and hasn't been for awhile now:
> 
> jkh@highwing-> grep hostname /usr/src/release/*conf*
> /usr/src/release/boot_crunch.conf.generic:progs dhclient arp hostname

In that case I can only assume that the dhclient-script is looking for it 
in the wrong place.  The last snap I installed was around the 25th and it 
still failed to pick up the hostname.

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Re: Problems installing FreeBSD 4.0 20000125-CURRENT

[Mike Smith]

> On Thu, Jan 27, 2000 at 04:20:54PM -0800, Mike Smith wrote:
> >
> > Actually, the problem here is that our dhclient doesn't pick the hostname 
> > up the first time around.  If it's set in an existing lease that is just 
> > confirmed, it works, but if you're starting without a lease, you won't 
> > get a hostname set (but it will be in the lease file, so if you restart 
> > before the lease expires you're OK).
> 
> Are you sure?  In the case I know you experience, the server changed its
> behavior WRT handing out hostnames.  I don't doubt that such a switch
> mid-stream in using DHCP would confuse things.

Quite sure.  I have several machines installed with the 26th snapshot 
that aren't setting the hostname correctly.  You were present when the 
hostname issuing from the server problem was fixed, and the clients were 
still not picking them up then.

> > Personally I'd prefer to just fix the DHCP client so that it correctly 
> > sets the hostname as obtained from the server...
> 
> Nope.  Poll larger shops first on their DHCP usage.

Correct behaviour would be not to set the hostname unless:

 a) it is not already set
or
 b) it was previously set by the DHCP client

You could probably ignore b) and satisfy most people.  At the moment, the 
hostname is _never_ set by the DHCP client _unless_ it finds a lease that 
is still valid.  This is clearly a bug.

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Re: Problems installing FreeBSD 4.0 20000125-CURRENT

[Jordan K. Hubbard]

> That's not correct; your DHCP configuration should reflect the hostname.
> 
> Sysinstall doesn't fill in the hostname field because the crunched binary 
> is missing the hostname(1) command.  If we were to add that, it's just 
> possible that we'd get hostnames working too.

Actually, that's not quite true and hasn't been for awhile now:

jkh@highwing-> grep hostname /usr/src/release/*conf*
/usr/src/release/boot_crunch.conf.generic:progs dhclient arp hostname

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Re: Problems installing FreeBSD 4.0 20000125-CURRENT

[David O'Brien]

On Thu, Jan 27, 2000 at 04:20:54PM -0800, Mike Smith wrote:
>
> Actually, the problem here is that our dhclient doesn't pick the hostname 
> up the first time around.  If it's set in an existing lease that is just 
> confirmed, it works, but if you're starting without a lease, you won't 
> get a hostname set (but it will be in the lease file, so if you restart 
> before the lease expires you're OK).

Are you sure?  In the case I know you experience, the server changed its
behavior WRT handing out hostnames.  I don't doubt that such a switch
mid-stream in using DHCP would confuse things.

> Personally I'd prefer to just fix the DHCP client so that it correctly 
> sets the hostname as obtained from the server...

Nope.  Poll larger shops first on their DHCP usage.
 
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Re: Problems installing FreeBSD 4.0 20000125-CURRENT

[David O'Brien]

On Thu, Jan 27, 2000 at 04:06:31PM -0800, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote:
> > IMHO, that is the wrong assumption.  Most DHCP servers I've seen aren't
> > setup to provide hostnames to the requrestor.
> 
> Seems they're set up incorrectly then.

Not at all.

> You can't be a good "network citizen" these days without a resolvable
> hostname that also matches your primary IP address or, among other
> things, you won't be able to send mail directly to anyone who practices
> traditional spam filtering techniques.

I will state unequivocally that most DHCP clients use a local mail relay.
And the local relay will use a "generic" hostname on the email address.

Also, the DNS "name" has nothing to do with the host's name.  The sites
DNS admins will have both forward and reverse (A & PTR) RR's.

Also I will state in large shops, they don't hardcode IPs to particular
machines.  Thus over time a machine has many different IPs.  People would
not be too happy to see their hostnames change all the time, nor to be
the typical "foo-bar-dhcp-134-89" that the assigned IP will resolve to.
In a Winloose network, they don't care about matching machine names with
DNS hostnames.

> This also isn't just pedantry because, as I noted before, specifying
> the hostname will currently cause it to override the DHCP hostname
> value even if it is specified (as it certainly is on *my* DHCP server :-)

Yes, this behavior is ISC's ruled desire.  From experience Ted Lemon and
Co. knows that most shops don't handout hostnames, and when they do they
are long nonsensical ones.

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Re: Problems installing FreeBSD 4.0 20000125-CURRENT

[Mike Smith]

> < said:
> 
> > citizen" these days without a resolvable hostname that also matches
> > your primary IP address or, among other things, you won't be able to
> > send mail directly to anyone who practices traditional spam filtering
> > techniques.
> 
> However, there is no need to actually use the configured hostname for
> this purpose.  `temp-4224.lcs.mit.edu' is just that, temporary -- I
> want my machine to know what its *real* identity is.
> 
> >From my perspective, when I'm installing a FreeBSD machine, the DHCP
> client option serves only to quick-start the installation -- the
> machine will eventually have a real address.  It would be useful to me
> if sysinstall paid attention to the hostname I specified

That's not correct; your DHCP configuration should reflect the hostname.

Sysinstall doesn't fill in the hostname field because the crunched binary 
is missing the hostname(1) command.  If we were to add that, it's just 
possible that we'd get hostnames working too.

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Re: Problems installing FreeBSD 4.0 20000125-CURRENT

[Garrett Wollman]

< said:

> citizen" these days without a resolvable hostname that also matches
> your primary IP address or, among other things, you won't be able to
> send mail directly to anyone who practices traditional spam filtering
> techniques.

However, there is no need to actually use the configured hostname for
this purpose.  `temp-4224.lcs.mit.edu' is just that, temporary -- I
want my machine to know what its *real* identity is.

>From my perspective, when I'm installing a FreeBSD machine, the DHCP
client option serves only to quick-start the installation -- the
machine will eventually have a real address.  It would be useful to me
if sysinstall paid attention to the hostname I specified

> the hostname will currently cause it to override the DHCP hostname
> value even if it is specified (as it certainly is on *my* DHCP server :-)
> and result in broken behavior for the aformentioned mailers.

You have your mail server set to ``authenticate'' based on the HELO?
That's the only thing in the SMTP protocol that the kernel's hostname
setting has any impact on.

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Re: Problems installing FreeBSD 4.0 20000125-CURRENT

[Kazutaka YOKOTA]

>> In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Mike Smith writes:
>> : It doesn't do anything to the keyboard, it just calls the BIOS to find 
>> : out whether keys have been pressed.
>> 
>> I've been seeing the hit  twice fast problem for months.
>
>It's always been a problem; we don't understand the mechanics of it 
>however.  Susceptibility varies widely between systems, and the best 
>hypothesis I've been able to come up with is that there are issues with 
>taking interrupts in vm86 mode; possibly the BIOS is being re-entered in 
>a fashion it doesn't like.

I wonder if the keyboard interrupt is blocked for a prolonged period
in the boot loader because of vm86, and quite a number of (up to 16 or
something) scan codes are waiting in the keyboard to be received by
the host computer, when the kernel is loaded.

The keyboard driver atkbd tries to flush pending scan codes, left over
from the boot loader, before it starts initializing the keyboard.  It
may be failing to flush all the pending scan codes if there are too
many of them.

The following patch will make the driver wait slightly longer to flush
inputs.  I would like to see if this makes any difference.

I should come up with something better this, though...

Kazu

Index: atkbd.c
===
RCS file: /src/CVS/src/sys/dev/kbd/atkbd.c,v
retrieving revision 1.22
diff -u -r1.22 atkbd.c
--- atkbd.c 2000/01/20 13:32:53 1.22
+++ atkbd.c 2000/01/28 00:47:27
@@ -1085,7 +1098,7 @@
}
 
/* flush any noise in the buffer */
-   empty_both_buffers(kbdc, 10);
+   empty_both_buffers(kbdc, 200);
 
/* save the current keyboard controller command byte */
m = kbdc_get_device_mask(kbdc) & ~KBD_KBD_CONTROL_BITS;



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Re: Problems installing FreeBSD 4.0 20000125-CURRENT

[Kazutaka YOKOTA]

>I seem to have this problem occasionaly, the keyboard keymap gets all screwed
>up somehow, and the only way to get out is to hit the reset button. But I've
>been having the problem for a long time, and with different boxes. It happens
>about every 1 out of 15 reboots but randomly. I haven't been able to connect
>it to any event or anything, but I notice that hitting keys during boot can
>increase the probability of it occurring, but again, nothing reproducible.

If you hit any key while the keyboard driver is trying to initialize
the keyboard, there is a good possibility that the driver will be
screwed.

But, it mustn't show problems if you hit the keyboard during the boot
loader or after the driver is attached...

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Re: Problems installing FreeBSD 4.0 20000125-CURRENT

[Kazutaka YOKOTA]

>>> 3. On the first reboot after installing, the keyboard was in a funny
>>> state.
>
>> Urk, can't reproduce it.  I need a reproducible sequence of operations
>> before we'll have any hope of tackling this one.
>
>>> Control-alt-del definitely didn't work, so I had to power off and
>>> reboot.  This hasn't repeated itself.
>
>> Same here.
>
>I have on a number of occasions had my laptop boot with a
>non-functional keyboard.  Sometimes the keyboard is just locked; other
>times it generates garbage.  Never managed to isolate the
>circumstances in which this happened (but it didn't happen with a
>kernel from last September or there-abouts).  Haven't had it happen on
>a desktop or server yet.

I have had reports on similar lockup in both 4.0-CURRENT and 3.X.
I personally have not been able to reproduce it, but now my new sand box
machine exhibits this problem occasionally.  

The I/O access to the AT keyboard by the atkbd driver have not changed
much for the last couple of years, despite massive source tree
reorganization.  And yes, problem reports started to pop-up since
sometime around the last summer.

I have not been able to track down the cause of the problem, but
am suspecting possibility of the clock/timer problem.

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Re: Problems installing FreeBSD 4.0 20000125-CURRENT

[Jordan K. Hubbard]

> Personally I'd prefer to just fix the DHCP client so that it correctly 
> sets the hostname as obtained from the server...

Yeah David, sheesh! ;)

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Re: Problems installing FreeBSD 4.0 20000125-CURRENT

[Jordan K. Hubbard]

> Why not check to see what the hostname is after dhclient is run and then
> stick that name in the network setup dialog box.  If the user does edit
> the hostname themselves, then you can flag that event.

That would work in that one specific case with that specific dhcp server.
Now change the dhcp server post-install time and watch what happens. :-)

What is clearly needed is some idea of "fallback hostname" vs the one
you *might* be automatically assigned by "something else" (one current
value for something else being DHCP) and should probably use
preferentially.  Split the hostname into two variables and do the
appropriate rc dance magic, off ya go.

Of course, this also fails to address a more fundamental failing in
our rc scripts, this being that the concept of "network identity" is
currently handled in too simplistic a fashion.  When dealing with the
"local vs on the road" scenario, many laptop users (including myself)
end up hand-editing their rc.conf files or adding some cheesy menu to
the rc files which say, in effect, "choose one of the following canned
configurations" and then go work the appropriate variable-setting
magic.  The fact that I've seen so many people re-invent this
particular wheel also sends a strong hint that a better, more general,
mechanism is now overdue.  As the original architect of FreeBSD's
rc.conf (nee /etc/sysconfig) mechanism, I can also say with some
assurance that it's reached its limits. :)

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Re: Problems installing FreeBSD 4.0 20000125-CURRENT

[Mike Smith]

> > IMHO, that is the wrong assumption.  Most DHCP servers I've seen aren't
> > setup to provide hostnames to the requrestor.
> 
> Seems they're set up incorrectly then.  You can't be a good "network
> citizen" these days without a resolvable hostname that also matches
> your primary IP address or, among other things, you won't be able to
> send mail directly to anyone who practices traditional spam filtering
> techniques.

Actually, the problem here is that our dhclient doesn't pick the hostname 
up the first time around.  If it's set in an existing lease that is just 
confirmed, it works, but if you're starting without a lease, you won't 
get a hostname set (but it will be in the lease file, so if you restart 
before the lease expires you're OK).

> This also isn't just pedantry because, as I noted before, specifying
> the hostname will currently cause it to override the DHCP hostname
> value even if it is specified (as it certainly is on *my* DHCP server :-)
> and result in broken behavior for the aformentioned mailers.  If we
> were to fix that in our rc scripts, I could remove this assumption in
> sysinstall in good conscience.

Personally I'd prefer to just fix the DHCP client so that it correctly 
sets the hostname as obtained from the server...


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Re: Problems installing FreeBSD 4.0 20000125-CURRENT

[Will Andrews]

On Thu, Jan 27, 2000 at 10:56:39AM -0800, Bill Fenner wrote:
> never made it into rc.conf (it booted up calling itself Amnesiac).

You know, I always thought that some people (well, certainly not me)
would find the default name "Amnesiac" a slight bit offensive, since it
implies they're forgetful. Perhaps something more like "myhost" would be
a better default.

Just a thought...

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Re: Problems installing FreeBSD 4.0 20000125-CURRENT

[Warner Losh]

In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Mike Smith writes:
: > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Mike Smith writes:
: > : It doesn't do anything to the keyboard, it just calls the BIOS to find 
: > : out whether keys have been pressed.
: > 
: > I've been seeing the hit  twice fast problem for months.
: 
: It's always been a problem; we don't understand the mechanics of it 
: however.  Susceptibility varies widely between systems, and the best 
: hypothesis I've been able to come up with is that there are issues with 
: taking interrupts in vm86 mode; possibly the BIOS is being re-entered in 
: a fashion it doesn't like.

Just wanted to make sure you acknowledged the problem.  It sounded
like you were saying that it wasn't a problem at all rather than the
theory put forward wasn't likely the problem.

Warner


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Re: Problems installing FreeBSD 4.0 20000125-CURRENT

[Jordan K. Hubbard]

> OR we can make a [binary] port of it.  This would not be hard to do.
> Let me know if you prefer this approach.

I think the easiest and most POLA-friendly approach would be to add
them [back] to Xbin.tgz.

- Jordan


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Re: Problems installing FreeBSD 4.0 20000125-CURRENT

[Jordan K. Hubbard]

> IMHO, that is the wrong assumption.  Most DHCP servers I've seen aren't
> setup to provide hostnames to the requrestor.

Seems they're set up incorrectly then.  You can't be a good "network
citizen" these days without a resolvable hostname that also matches
your primary IP address or, among other things, you won't be able to
send mail directly to anyone who practices traditional spam filtering
techniques.

This also isn't just pedantry because, as I noted before, specifying
the hostname will currently cause it to override the DHCP hostname
value even if it is specified (as it certainly is on *my* DHCP server :-)
and result in broken behavior for the aformentioned mailers.  If we
were to fix that in our rc scripts, I could remove this assumption in
sysinstall in good conscience.

- Jordan


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Re: Problems installing FreeBSD 4.0 20000125-CURRENT

[Mike Smith]

> In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Mike Smith writes:
> : It doesn't do anything to the keyboard, it just calls the BIOS to find 
> : out whether keys have been pressed.
> 
> I've been seeing the hit  twice fast problem for months.

It's always been a problem; we don't understand the mechanics of it 
however.  Susceptibility varies widely between systems, and the best 
hypothesis I've been able to come up with is that there are issues with 
taking interrupts in vm86 mode; possibly the BIOS is being re-entered in 
a fashion it doesn't like.

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Re: Problems installing FreeBSD 4.0 20000125-CURRENT

[Warner Losh]

In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Mike Smith writes:
: It doesn't do anything to the keyboard, it just calls the BIOS to find 
: out whether keys have been pressed.

I've been seeing the hit  twice fast problem for months.

Warner


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Re: Problems installing FreeBSD 4.0 20000125-CURRENT

[John Baldwin]

On 27-Jan-00 David O'Brien wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 27, 2000 at 01:28:10PM -0800, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote:
>> 
>> In this case, I actually assume that the DHCP server will be providing
>> the host name and specifically *ignore* the user-provide hostname
> 
> IMHO, that is the wrong assumption.  Most DHCP servers I've seen aren't
> setup to provide hostnames to the requrestor.

Why not check to see what the hostname is after dhclient is run and then
stick that name in the network setup dialog box.  If the user does edit
the hostname themselves, then you can flag that event, and use that flag
when writing out /etc/rc.conf to mean that the hostname variable should
be set.  Actually, this doesn't work all that well because the boot
floppy doesn't include /bin/hostname in the crunch so /sbin/dhclient-script
can't set the hostname when it is sent out by a dhcp server.

>> > 4. X didn't come with /usr/X11R6/lib/aout, so I can't run netscape.
>> 
>> I guess we need to build our own XF86 distribution with the a.out
>> libraries built or we need to somehow stuff those into a compat dist.
> 
> If you want the added to src/lib/compat, let me know ASAP.
> 
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Re: Problems installing FreeBSD 4.0 20000125-CURRENT

[Mike Smith]

> On Thu, 27 Jan 2000, Bill Fenner wrote:
> 
> > 
> > >Right.  I've seen this when I hit Enter rapidly twice at the first
> > >loader prompt.  Doesn't ever happen if I wait for the second
> > >prompt.
> > 
> > That's my impression too -- I've seen it on my laptop when I do
> > that (sometimes), and I may have hit enter twice rapidly on this
> > reboot.
> > 
> >   Bill
> Hmmm, I wonder it the boot loader is doing something funny in initializing
> the keyboard.  Maybe something changed?

It doesn't do anything to the keyboard, it just calls the BIOS to find 
out whether keys have been pressed.

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Re: Problems installing FreeBSD 4.0 20000125-CURRENT

[Alex]

Garrett Wollman wrote:
> 
> < said:
> 
> >> 3. On the first reboot after installing, the keyboard was in a funny
> >> state.
> 
> > Urk, can't reproduce it.  I need a reproducible sequence of operations
> > before we'll have any hope of tackling this one.
> 
> >> Control-alt-del definitely didn't work, so I had to power off and
> >> reboot.  This hasn't repeated itself.
> 
> > Same here.
> 
> I have on a number of occasions had my laptop boot with a
> non-functional keyboard.  Sometimes the keyboard is just locked; other
> times it generates garbage.  Never managed to isolate the
> circumstances in which this happened (but it didn't happen with a
> kernel from last September or there-abouts).  Haven't had it happen on
> a desktop or server yet.
> 
> -GAWollman


Yeah, happens here too, every now and again.  I boot straight into xdm,
so it might have something to do with X, but any attempts to type in the
username generate garbage.   I can't switch to a text console, because
Ctrl-Alt-Fx keys don't work either - all I can do is push the Big Red
Button.  The graphics card in my laptop is Chips & Technology 6.

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Re: Problems installing FreeBSD 4.0 20000125-CURRENT

[Brian Beattie]

On Thu, 27 Jan 2000, Bill Fenner wrote:

> 
> >Right.  I've seen this when I hit Enter rapidly twice at the first
> >loader prompt.  Doesn't ever happen if I wait for the second
> >prompt.
> 
> That's my impression too -- I've seen it on my laptop when I do
> that (sometimes), and I may have hit enter twice rapidly on this
> reboot.
> 
>   Bill
Hmmm, I wonder it the boot loader is doing something funny in initializing
the keyboard.  Maybe something changed?

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Re: Problems installing FreeBSD 4.0 20000125-CURRENT

[David O'Brien]

On Thu, Jan 27, 2000 at 01:28:10PM -0800, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote:
> > 4. X didn't come with /usr/X11R6/lib/aout, so I can't run netscape.
> 
> I guess we need to build our own XF86 distribution with the a.out
> libraries built or we need to somehow stuff those into a compat dist.

OR we can make a [binary] port of it.  This would not be hard to do.
Let me know if you prefer this approach.

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Re: Problems installing FreeBSD 4.0 20000125-CURRENT

[David O'Brien]

On Thu, Jan 27, 2000 at 01:28:10PM -0800, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote:
> 
> In this case, I actually assume that the DHCP server will be providing
> the host name and specifically *ignore* the user-provide hostname

IMHO, that is the wrong assumption.  Most DHCP servers I've seen aren't
setup to provide hostnames to the requrestor.

> > 4. X didn't come with /usr/X11R6/lib/aout, so I can't run netscape.
> 
> I guess we need to build our own XF86 distribution with the a.out
> libraries built or we need to somehow stuff those into a compat dist.

If you want the added to src/lib/compat, let me know ASAP.

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Re: Problems installing FreeBSD 4.0 20000125-CURRENT

[Brian Beattie]

On Thu, 27 Jan 2000, Garrett Wollman wrote:

> < said:
> 
> >> 3. On the first reboot after installing, the keyboard was in a funny
> >> state.
> 
> > Urk, can't reproduce it.  I need a reproducible sequence of operations
> > before we'll have any hope of tackling this one.
> 
> >> Control-alt-del definitely didn't work, so I had to power off and
> >> reboot.  This hasn't repeated itself.
> 
> > Same here.
> 
> I have on a number of occasions had my laptop boot with a
> non-functional keyboard.  Sometimes the keyboard is just locked; other
> times it generates garbage.  Never managed to isolate the
> circumstances in which this happened (but it didn't happen with a
> kernel from last September or there-abouts).  Haven't had it happen on
> a desktop or server yet.
> 
> -GAWollman
As another sort of me-to, I use a non-standard key board from an ols
lunch-box portable.  It seems to have stopped working correctly in the
boot-loader/visual config, although it still works fine in single-user and
above.  I mention this only in that it might be a useful data point, it
has never been enough of a hassle for me to try to understand exactally
what is going on, I just hook up a spare 101-key keyboard.

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Re: Problems installing FreeBSD 4.0 20000125-CURRENT

[Bill Fenner]

>Right.  I've seen this when I hit Enter rapidly twice at the first
>loader prompt.  Doesn't ever happen if I wait for the second
>prompt.

That's my impression too -- I've seen it on my laptop when I do
that (sometimes), and I may have hit enter twice rapidly on this
reboot.

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Re: Problems installing FreeBSD 4.0 20000125-CURRENT

[Kelly Yancey]

On Thu, 27 Jan 2000, Garrett Wollman wrote:
> 
> I have on a number of occasions had my laptop boot with a
> non-functional keyboard.  Sometimes the keyboard is just locked; other
> times it generates garbage.  Never managed to isolate the
> circumstances in which this happened (but it didn't happen with a
> kernel from last September or there-abouts).  Haven't had it happen on
> a desktop or server yet.
> 
> -GAWollman

  I've seen this on a Compaq Armada laptop recently (-current from about
1/10/2000). It only happens when I interrupt the boot process with a key
press (I cannot recall whether it was in /boot/loader or in boot2). I
suspect the latter, but have not yet tracked the problem down.

  Kelly

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Re: Problems installing FreeBSD 4.0 20000125-CURRENT

[Russell L. Carter]

%
%On 27-Jan-2000 Jordan K. Hubbard wrote:
%  | 
%  |> 3. On the first reboot after installing, the keyboard was in a funny
%  |> state.
%  | 
%  | Urk, can't reproduce it.  I need a reproducible sequence of operations
%  | before we'll have any hope of tackling this one.
%  | 
%  |> Control-alt-del definitely didn't work, so I had to power off and
%  |> reboot.  This hasn't repeated itself.
%  | 
%  | Same here.
%  | 
%
%I seem to have this problem occasionaly, the keyboard keymap gets all screwed
%up somehow, and the only way to get out is to hit the reset button. But I've
%been having the problem for a long time, and with different boxes. It happens
%about every 1 out of 15 reboots but randomly. I haven't been able to connect
%it to any event or anything, but I notice that hitting keys during boot can
%increase the probability of it occurring, but again, nothing reproducible.

Right.  I've seen this when I hit Enter rapidly twice at the first
loader prompt.  Doesn't ever happen if I wait for the second
prompt.

Russell



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Re: Problems installing FreeBSD 4.0 20000125-CURRENT

[Mike Heffner]

On 27-Jan-2000 Jordan K. Hubbard wrote:
  | 
  |> 3. On the first reboot after installing, the keyboard was in a funny
  |> state.
  | 
  | Urk, can't reproduce it.  I need a reproducible sequence of operations
  | before we'll have any hope of tackling this one.
  | 
  |> Control-alt-del definitely didn't work, so I had to power off and
  |> reboot.  This hasn't repeated itself.
  | 
  | Same here.
  | 

I seem to have this problem occasionaly, the keyboard keymap gets all screwed
up somehow, and the only way to get out is to hit the reset button. But I've
been having the problem for a long time, and with different boxes. It happens
about every 1 out of 15 reboots but randomly. I haven't been able to connect
it to any event or anything, but I notice that hitting keys during boot can
increase the probability of it occurring, but again, nothing reproducible.

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Re: Problems installing FreeBSD 4.0 20000125-CURRENT

[Bill Fenner]

>In this case, I actually assume that the DHCP server will be providing
>the host name

In my case (which I think might actually be fairly common), the DHCP
server doesn't provide a hostname.  In this case, I type in a hostname
which gets later ignored and sysinstall doesn't write anything to rc.conf.
Perhaps if the DHCP server doesn't provide a hostname, sysinstall can
use the one that the user supplied?

>> 2. motd was full of garbage.  I realize now that I should have saved it
>> but I wasn't really thinking.
>
>Huh?

When I logged in, I thought the machine had freaked out and locked up
because there was all sorts of garbage (mostly 8-bit characters) on the
screen, but on further examination it was just the contents of /etc/motd.
It would be much easier to explain if I had saved it =)

I can't repeat the keyboard thing, so I can't expect you to -- just
something annoying that happened.

I dunno what to suggest about /usr/X11R6/lib/aout.  Earlier X
distributions came with it; perhaps just copy the directory from an
earlier one?

  Bill


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Re: Problems installing FreeBSD 4.0 20000125-CURRENT

[Garrett Wollman]

< said:

>> 3. On the first reboot after installing, the keyboard was in a funny
>> state.

> Urk, can't reproduce it.  I need a reproducible sequence of operations
> before we'll have any hope of tackling this one.

>> Control-alt-del definitely didn't work, so I had to power off and
>> reboot.  This hasn't repeated itself.

> Same here.

I have on a number of occasions had my laptop boot with a
non-functional keyboard.  Sometimes the keyboard is just locked; other
times it generates garbage.  Never managed to isolate the
circumstances in which this happened (but it didn't happen with a
kernel from last September or there-abouts).  Haven't had it happen on
a desktop or server yet.

-GAWollman

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Re: Problems installing FreeBSD 4.0 20000125-CURRENT

[Jordan K. Hubbard]

> 1. sysinstall forgot to write my hostname to /etc/rc.conf .  I had gone
> into the options menu and selected "DHCP"; when I picked my network
> interface it looked for and found a DHCP server and popped up the
> network configuration box with most of the fields filled in (including
> domain name); all I did was type in a hostname.  sysinstall then added
> the domain name to the host name and I said "OK", but that hostname
> never made it into rc.conf (it booted up calling itself Amnesiac).

In this case, I actually assume that the DHCP server will be providing
the host name and specifically *ignore* the user-provide hostname
field since our dhcp client integration is still a bit green and
you'll just override the DHCP server assignment for the hostname with
the user-defined one if it's written to rc.conf.

> 2. motd was full of garbage.  I realize now that I should have saved it
> but I wasn't really thinking.

Huh?

> 3. On the first reboot after installing, the keyboard was in a funny
> state.

Urk, can't reproduce it.  I need a reproducible sequence of operations
before we'll have any hope of tackling this one.

> Control-alt-del definitely didn't work, so I had to power off and
> reboot.  This hasn't repeated itself.

Same here.

> 4. X didn't come with /usr/X11R6/lib/aout, so I can't run netscape.

I guess we need to build our own XF86 distribution with the a.out
libraries built or we need to somehow stuff those into a compat dist.
Ugh, either option is pretty ugly. :)

- Jordan


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Problems installing FreeBSD 4.0 20000125-CURRENT

[Bill Fenner]

Hi,

  I installed 4.0 2125-CURRENT last night on a new box, and had
several problems that I wanted to share:

1. sysinstall forgot to write my hostname to /etc/rc.conf .  I had gone
into the options menu and selected "DHCP"; when I picked my network
interface it looked for and found a DHCP server and popped up the
network configuration box with most of the fields filled in (including
domain name); all I did was type in a hostname.  sysinstall then added
the domain name to the host name and I said "OK", but that hostname
never made it into rc.conf (it booted up calling itself Amnesiac).

2. motd was full of garbage.  I realize now that I should have saved it
but I wasn't really thinking.

3. On the first reboot after installing, the keyboard was in a funny
state.  Some keys would provide multiple characters, some would do none.
Control-alt-del definitely didn't work, so I had to power off and
reboot.  This hasn't repeated itself.

4. X didn't come with /usr/X11R6/lib/aout, so I can't run netscape.
I used the expert install and picked the "Install everything" option
so I assumed I'd get everything =)


On the plus side, being able to use DHCP rocks, and I really like how
it installed the Linux packages when I picked Linux emulation.  And
4.0 seems to work well with this random hardware (emachine 400),
including the onboard sound and random ethernet card (linksys something).

  Bill


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