subject:"freebsd"

On Wed, 2012-11-28 at 08:06 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
 On Tue, 2012-11-27 at 17:04 -0700, Warren Block wrote:
   # gpart create -s bsd ada0s1
   gpart: geom 'ada0s1': File exists
  
  Sorry, no idea on that.  Because of the extended partitions, maybe.
 
 Thank you,
 
 so this should work and if it doesn't work, I can't install FreeBSD?
 
 Anything else I can try?

I'm downloading PC-BSD 8.2 x64, assumed partitioning should work, will
it be possible to update to FreeBSD 9.x or do they differ, similar as
different Linux distros can differ?

Regards,
Ralf

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Re: How to create a partition for FreeBSD 9.0?

2012-11-28 Thread Warren Block


On Wed, 28 Nov 2012, Ralf Mardorf wrote:


On Tue, 2012-11-27 at 17:04 -0700, Warren Block wrote:

# gpart create -s bsd ada0s1
gpart: geom 'ada0s1': File exists


Sorry, no idea on that.  Because of the extended partitions, maybe.


Thank you,

so this should work and if it doesn't work, I can't install FreeBSD?


I tried a few experiments just now, and it still looks to me like the 
EBR is the problem.  Unfortunately, I don't know how to work around it. 
Certainly it should be possible to do this.  It's a matter of getting 
the partitioning tools to do it.



Anything else I can try?


Share sda10 with FreeBSD swap.  Then use slice 1 for one bare FreeBSD 
filesystem with no subpartitioning at all.


# gpart modify -i1 -t freebsd-ufs da0

It will require some work with the installer.  Probably you'll have to 
newfs and mount it as mentioned before.  After FreeBSD boots, figure out 
which is the swap partition and add that to /etc/fstab.



spinymouse@q:~$ sudo fdisk -l

Disk /dev/sda: 320.1 GB, 320072933376 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 38913 cylinders, total 625142448 sectors
Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
Disk identifier: 0x000f2fc6

  Device Boot  Start End  Blocks   Id  System
/dev/sda1  63   12127468460637311   a5  FreeBSD
/dev/sda2   *   121274746   625137344   251931299+   5  Extended
/dev/sda5   121274748   183751469312383617  HPFS/NTFS/exFAT
/dev/sda6   183751533   24642103431334751   83  Linux
/dev/sda7   246421098   30928337931431141   83  Linux
/dev/sda8   309283443   36196761526342086+  83  Linux
/dev/sda9   361969664   43561779136824064   83  Linux
/dev/sda10  435618603   440164934 2273166   82  Linux swap /
Solaris
/dev/sda11  440164998   56187337460854188+  83  Linux
/dev/sda12  561873438   569215079 3670821   83  Linux
/dev/sda13  569215143   61551440923149633+  83  Linux
/dev/sda14  615514473   625137344 4811436   83  Linux

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Re: How to create a partition for FreeBSD 9.0?

2012-11-28 Thread Warren Block


On Wed, 28 Nov 2012, Ralf Mardorf wrote:


On Wed, 2012-11-28 at 08:06 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:

On Tue, 2012-11-27 at 17:04 -0700, Warren Block wrote:

# gpart create -s bsd ada0s1
gpart: geom 'ada0s1': File exists


Sorry, no idea on that.  Because of the extended partitions, maybe.


Thank you,

so this should work and if it doesn't work, I can't install FreeBSD?

Anything else I can try?


I'm downloading PC-BSD 8.2 x64, assumed partitioning should work, will
it be possible to update to FreeBSD 9.x or do they differ, similar as
different Linux distros can differ?


PC-BSD is FreeBSD, and there is a 9.x version.  I don't know what it 
uses for partitioning code, but if you value your data, back up first.

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Re: How to create a partition for FreeBSD 9.0?

On Wed, 2012-11-28 at 09:25 -0700, Warren Block wrote:
 On Wed, 28 Nov 2012, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
 
  On Wed, 2012-11-28 at 08:06 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
  On Tue, 2012-11-27 at 17:04 -0700, Warren Block wrote:
  # gpart create -s bsd ada0s1
  gpart: geom 'ada0s1': File exists
 
  Sorry, no idea on that.  Because of the extended partitions, maybe.
 
  Thank you,
 
  so this should work and if it doesn't work, I can't install FreeBSD?
 
  Anything else I can try?
 
  I'm downloading PC-BSD 8.2 x64, assumed partitioning should work, will
  it be possible to update to FreeBSD 9.x or do they differ, similar as
  different Linux distros can differ?
 
 PC-BSD is FreeBSD, and there is a 9.x version.  I don't know what it 
 uses for partitioning code, but if you value your data, back up first.

I chose 8.2, to get another version for partitioning.
However, I'll also test your recommendation from your previous mail.

# gpart modify -i1 -t freebsd-ufs da0

And I'll avoid to use the cursor keys next time, to get a better log
file.

Thank you for your help,
Ralf

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Cannot boot - creating partition and installing FreeBSD is [solved]

Installing PC-BSD 8.2 x64 did work without issues. I unchecked the
bootloader install. Linux grub legacy until now is unable to boot BSD,
because of Error17: Cannot mount selected partition

spinymouse@q:~$ cat /boot/grub/menu.lst
timeout   8
default   0
color light-blue/black light-cyan/blue

title FreeBSD
root   (hd0,a)
kernel /boot/loader

[snip]

Linux only recognize the slice, but not what's inside it:
spinymouse@q:~$ sudo fdisk -l

Disk /dev/sda: 320.1 GB, 320072933376 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 38913 cylinders, total 625142448 sectors
Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
Disk identifier: 0x000f2fc6

   Device Boot  Start End  Blocks   Id  System
/dev/sda1  63   12127468460637311   a5  FreeBSD
/dev/sda2   *   121274746   625137344   251931299+   5  Extended
[snip]

spinymouse@q:~$ sudo parted -l
Model: ATA SAMSUNG HD321KJ (scsi)
Disk /dev/sda: 320GB
Sector size (logical/physical): 512B/512B
Partition Table: msdos

Number  Start   End SizeType  File system Flags
 1  32.3kB  62.1GB  62.1GB  primary   freebsd-ufs
 2  62.1GB  320GB   258GB   extended  boot
[snip]

From the FreeBSD 9.0 DVD shell:
# gpart show
=   63  625142385  ada0  MBR  (298G)
 63  121274622 1  freebsd  (57G)
  121274685 61- free -  (30k)
  121274746  503862599 2  ebr  [active]  (240G)
  625137345   5103- free -  (2.5M)

=   63  976773105  ada1  MBR  (465G)
 63   42973812 1  linux-data  (20G)
   42973875 61- free -  (30k)
   42973936  933794129 2  ebr  (445G)
  976768065   5103- free -  (2.5M)

=0  121274622  ada0s1  BSD  (57G)
  04194304   1  freebsd-ufs  (2.0G)
4194304   19922944   2  freebsd-swap  (9.5G)
   241172484194304   4  freebsd-ufs  (2.0G)
   28311552   92952576   5  freebsd-ufs  (44G)
  121264128  10494  - free -  (5.1M)

=0  503862599  ada0s2  EBR  (240G)
  0   62476724   1  ntfs  (29G)
   62476724   62669565  991695  linux-data  (29G)
  125146289   62862345  1986450  linux-data  (30G)
  188008634   52684236  2984265  linux-data  (25G)
  240692870   73650176  3820522  linux-data  (35G)
  314343046748  - free -  (374k)
  3143437944546395  4989585  linux-swap  (2.2G)
  318890189  121708440  5061750  linux-data  (58G)
  4405986297341705  6993630  linux-data  (3.5G)
  447940334   46299330  7110165  linux-data  (22G)
  4942396649622935  7845075  linux-data  (4.6G)

=0  933794129  ada1s2  EBR  (445G)
  0   42957749   1  linux-data  (20G)
   42957749   42765030  681870  linux-data  (20G)
   857227795092605  1360680  linux-swap  (2.4G)
   90815384   42154560  1441515  linux-data  (20G)
  132969944   43246980  2110635  linux-data  (20G)
  1762169241020340  2797095  linux-data  (498M)
  177237264   26476544  2813290  linux-data  (12G)
  203713808  100861952  3233553  linux-data  (48G)
  304575760514  - free -  (257k)
  304576274  209759742  4834545  linux-data  (100G)
  514336016963  - free -  (481k)
  514336979  419456061  8164080  linux-data  (200G)
  933793040   1089  - free -  (544k)

=  63  46299204  ada0s13  MBR  (22G)
63  46299204   - free -  (22G)

=  63  46299204  ext2fs/backs  MBR  (22G)
63  46299204- free -  (22G)

Regards,
Ralf

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Re: Cannot boot - creating partition and installing FreeBSD is [solved]

PS:
spinymouse@q:/boot$ grep CONFIG_UFS_FS config-3.6.5-rt14
CONFIG_UFS_FS=m
# CONFIG_UFS_FS_WRITE is not set
spinymouse@q:/boot$ lsmod | grep ufs
spinymouse@q:/boot$ sudo modprobe ufs
[sudo] password for spinymouse: 
spinymouse@q:/boot$ lsmod | grep ufs
ufs74797  0

So for write access I've got to build the kernel again. No problem,
since I anyway build the kernel-rt myself.

Still strange, when I try to mount it by using Nautilus I get:

Unable to mount 62 GB Volume

Error mounting /dev/sda1 at /media/spinymouse/disk: Command-line `mount
-t ufs -o uhelper=udisks2,nodev,nosuid /dev/sda1
/media/spinymouse/disk' exited with non-zero exit status 32: mount:
wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda1,
   missing codepage or helper program, or other error
   In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
   dmesg | tail  or so

However, I'll ask on a Linux mailing list what to do.

There's still the multi-boot issue. How to boot FreeBSD and Linux.

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Re: Cannot boot - creating partition and installing FreeBSD is [solved]

2012-11-28 Thread Warren Block


On Thu, 29 Nov 2012, Ralf Mardorf wrote:


PS:
spinymouse@q:/boot$ grep CONFIG_UFS_FS config-3.6.5-rt14
CONFIG_UFS_FS=m
# CONFIG_UFS_FS_WRITE is not set
spinymouse@q:/boot$ lsmod | grep ufs
spinymouse@q:/boot$ sudo modprobe ufs
[sudo] password for spinymouse:
spinymouse@q:/boot$ lsmod | grep ufs
ufs74797  0

So for write access I've got to build the kernel again. No problem,
since I anyway build the kernel-rt myself.

Still strange, when I try to mount it by using Nautilus I get:

Unable to mount 62 GB Volume

Error mounting /dev/sda1 at /media/spinymouse/disk: Command-line `mount
-t ufs -o uhelper=udisks2,nodev,nosuid /dev/sda1
/media/spinymouse/disk' exited with non-zero exit status 32: mount:
wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda1,
  missing codepage or helper program, or other error
  In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
  dmesg | tail  or so


It's trying to mount the whole slice rather than individual FreeBSD 
partitions inside that slice.  I don't know how--or if--Linux has a way 
to refer to those partitions.  The FreeBSD notation would be ada0s1a, 
ada0s1b (swap), ada0s1d, ada0s1e.  c refers to the whole disk, not an 
individual partition.



There's still the multi-boot issue. How to boot FreeBSD and Linux.


Grub can do it, as can others.  Can't speak to the details, though.
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Re: Cannot boot - creating partition and installing FreeBSD is [solved]

2012-11-28 Thread Carl Johnson

Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@rocketmail.com writes:

 Installing PC-BSD 8.2 x64 did work without issues. I unchecked the
 bootloader install. Linux grub legacy until now is unable to boot BSD,
 because of Error17: Cannot mount selected partition

 spinymouse@q:~$ cat /boot/grub/menu.lst
 timeout   8
 default   0
 color light-blue/black light-cyan/blue

 title FreeBSD
 root   (hd0,a)
 kernel /boot/loader

 [snip]

 Linux only recognize the slice, but not what's inside it:
 spinymouse@q:~$ sudo fdisk -l

You might want to try a chainloader boot from grub.  The following is a
chainloader rule that I have used, as well as a normal loader boot.  I
use the loader boot, but I also tested the chainloader boot.  You will
need a ufs2_stage1_5 file in your grub directory for a loader boot, and
linux grub might not have it available.

title   FreeBSD, sda3 (oak) chainloader
root(hd1,2)
chainloader +1
boot

title   FreeBSD, sda3 (oak) /boot/loader
root(hd1,2,a)
kernel  /boot/loader
boot

-- 
Carl Johnsonca...@peak.org

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Re: How to create a partition for FreeBSD 9.0?

All instructions failed. Is there a way to mount a linux partition or
USB-stick and to redirect the output of the gpart commands to a log
file?

In linux after mounting a partition or usb-stick I would do it like
that:

spinymouse@q:~$ echo $ ls -l  logfile
spinymouse@q:~$ ls -l  logfile
spinymouse@q:~$ cat logfile
$ ls -l
total 2644
-rw-rwxr-- 1 test_user_q spinymouse2614 Nov 24 03:43 bak_q_arch-mail
drwxr-xr-x 2 spinymouse  spinymouse4096 Oct 13 22:47 Desktop
drwxr-xr-x 2 spinymouse  spinymouse4096 Nov  1 18:19 Documents
drwxr-xr-x 2 spinymouse  spinymouse4096 Nov 24 15:56 Downloads
-rw-rw-r-- 1 spinymouse  spinymouse   53724 Nov 24 14:39 freebsd_logo1.png
-rw-rw-r-- 1 spinymouse  spinymouse  127098 Nov 24 14:39 freebsd_logo1.xcf
-rw-r--r-- 1 spinymouse  spinymouse 2492653 Nov 12 09:54 hdsp.1.mix
-rw-rw-r-- 1 spinymouse  spinymouse   8 Nov 27 15:57 logfile
drwx-- 7 spinymouse  spinymouse4096 Nov 15 18:50 Spinymouse

So how can I mount e.g. an USB stick?

And could I then run something similar to

# echo gpart show ada0s1  /path/to/usbstick/logfile
# gpart show ada0s1  /path/to/usbstick/logfile
# echo gpart add -t freebsd -i1 ada0  /path/to/usbstick/logfile
# echo gpart add -t freebsd -i1 ada0  /path/to/usbstick/logfile

etc.?

I would like to post the output to the list.

TIA
Ralf

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Re: How to create a partition for FreeBSD 9.0?

On Tue, 2012-11-27 at 16:13 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
 All instructions failed. Is there a way to mount a linux partition or
 USB-stick and to redirect the output of the gpart commands to a log
 file?
 
 In linux after mounting a partition or usb-stick I would do it like
 that:
 
 spinymouse@q:~$ echo $ ls -l  logfile
 spinymouse@q:~$ ls -l  logfile
 spinymouse@q:~$ cat logfile
 $ ls -l
 total 2644
 -rw-rwxr-- 1 test_user_q spinymouse2614 Nov 24 03:43 bak_q_arch-mail
 drwxr-xr-x 2 spinymouse  spinymouse4096 Oct 13 22:47 Desktop
 drwxr-xr-x 2 spinymouse  spinymouse4096 Nov  1 18:19 Documents
 drwxr-xr-x 2 spinymouse  spinymouse4096 Nov 24 15:56 Downloads
 -rw-rw-r-- 1 spinymouse  spinymouse   53724 Nov 24 14:39 freebsd_logo1.png
 -rw-rw-r-- 1 spinymouse  spinymouse  127098 Nov 24 14:39 freebsd_logo1.xcf
 -rw-r--r-- 1 spinymouse  spinymouse 2492653 Nov 12 09:54 hdsp.1.mix
 -rw-rw-r-- 1 spinymouse  spinymouse   8 Nov 27 15:57 logfile
 drwx-- 7 spinymouse  spinymouse4096 Nov 15 18:50 Spinymouse
 
 So how can I mount e.g. an USB stick?
 
 And could I then run something similar to
 
 # echo gpart show ada0s1  /path/to/usbstick/logfile
 # gpart show ada0s1  /path/to/usbstick/logfile
 # echo gpart add -t freebsd -i1 ada0  /path/to/usbstick/logfile
 # echo gpart add -t freebsd -i1 ada0  /path/to/usbstick/logfile
    oops, but I guess you know what I mean
 etc.?
 
 I would like to post the output to the list.
 
 TIA
 Ralf


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Re: How to create a partition for FreeBSD 9.0?

2012-11-27 Thread Warren Block


On Tue, 27 Nov 2012, Ralf Mardorf wrote:


All instructions failed. Is there a way to mount a linux partition or
USB-stick and to redirect the output of the gpart commands to a log
file?

In linux after mounting a partition or usb-stick I would do it like
that:

spinymouse@q:~$ echo $ ls -l  logfile
spinymouse@q:~$ ls -l  logfile


Too much work.  Use script(1):
$ script /tmp/session.log
$ (do a bunch of stuff)
$ exit

And session.log will contain everything.  Including control characters, 
so edit it before posting.



So how can I mount e.g. an USB stick?


This is in the Handbook somewhere, but a quick look didn't find it, so:

# mount -t msdosfs /dev/da0s1 /mnt

That assumes there is a FAT filesystem in the first partition of the 
memory stick, a common setup.  Please don't use NTFS.

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Re: How to create a partition for FreeBSD 9.0?

2012-11-27 Thread Mike Clarke

On Tuesday 27 November 2012 15:15:52 Ralf Mardorf wrote:

  And could I then run something similar to
 
  # echo gpart show ada0s1  /path/to/usbstick/logfile
  # gpart show ada0s1  /path/to/usbstick/logfile
  # echo gpart add -t freebsd -i1 ada0  /path/to/usbstick/logfile
  # echo gpart add -t freebsd -i1 ada0  /path/to/usbstick/logfile
     oops, but I guess you know what I mean

  etc.?
 
  I would like to post the output to the list.

The neater way

 # script /path/to/usbstick/logfile
 # gpart show ada0
 # gpart add -t freebsd -i1 ada0
 # gpart show ada0
 # CTRL+D

Then /path/to/usbstick/logfile will contain a full log of your commands and 
output showing the partition information for ada0 before and after creating 
the new partition.

-- 
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Re: [Bulk] Re: How to create a partition for FreeBSD 9.0?

On Tue, 2012-11-27 at 09:05 -0700, Warren Block wrote:
 On Tue, 27 Nov 2012, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
 
  All instructions failed. Is there a way to mount a linux partition or
  USB-stick and to redirect the output of the gpart commands to a log
  file?
 
  In linux after mounting a partition or usb-stick I would do it like
  that:
 
  spinymouse@q:~$ echo $ ls -l  logfile
  spinymouse@q:~$ ls -l  logfile
 
 Too much work.  Use script(1):
 $ script /tmp/session.log
 $ (do a bunch of stuff)
 $ exit
 
 And session.log will contain everything.  Including control characters, 
 so edit it before posting.
 
  So how can I mount e.g. an USB stick?
 
 This is in the Handbook somewhere, but a quick look didn't find it, so:
 
 # mount -t msdosfs /dev/da0s1 /mnt
 
 That assumes there is a FAT filesystem in the first partition of the 
 memory stick, a common setup.  Please don't use NTFS.

Thank you :)

I use USB sticks as they are, with FAT, if I e.g. need Linux
permissions, I use an archive on the USB stick.

Yes, I'll edit the logfile, before posting.

Indeed script /tmp/session.log is better, than my stupid idea.

Regards,
Ralf

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Re: [Bulk] Re: How to create a partition for FreeBSD 9.0?

# mount -t msdosfs /dev/da0s1 /mnt
did not work. It has to be
# mount -t msdosfs /dev/da0 /mnt

This is from the log:

# gpart show ada0
=   63  625142385  ada0  MBR  (298G)
 63  121274683- free -  (57G)
  121274746  503862599 2  ebr  [active]  (240G)
  625137345   5103- free -  (2.5M)

# gpart add -t freebsd -i1 ada0
ada0s1 added

Now it becomes complicated, since the log is a mess:

=   63  625142385  ada0  MBR  (298G)
 63  121274622 1  freebsd  (57G)
  121274685 61- free -  (30k)
  121274746  503862599 2  ebr  [active]  (240G)
  625137345   5103- free -  (2.5M)

# gpart show ada0s1
=0  121274622  ada0s1  EBR  (57G)
  0  121274622  - free -  (57G)

# gpart create -s bsd ada0s1
gpart: geom 'ada0s1': File exists

# gpart create -s bsd da0s1
gpart: arg0 'da0s1': Invalid argument

And now log is missing output:

# gpart -t freebsd-ufs -a 4k -s 53g [???]
However, since create already didn't work, the missing output anyway is 
unimportant.

Regards,
Ralf





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Re: [Bulk] Re: How to create a partition for FreeBSD 9.0?

PS: In Linux the result does look like this:

$ sudo fdisk -l /dev/sda | grep BSD
/dev/sda1  63   12127468460637311   a5  FreeBSD
$ sudo parted -l | grep pri
 1  32.3kB  62.1GB  62.1GB  primary   ext3
 1  32.3kB  22.0GB  22.0GB  primary   ext4

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Re: VPS FreeBSD Hosting

2012-11-27 Thread Randal L. Schwartz

 George == George Hartzell hartz...@alerce.com writes:

George I'll second that.  I have a smaller and a larger VPS at ARP, they've
George been great.

And I've been running 5 FreeBSD servers of various sizes there for
something like two years (or has it been three?).  All booting from ZFS
as /.  Fun.

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mer...@stonehenge.com URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/
Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc.
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Re: [Bulk] Re: How to create a partition for FreeBSD 9.0?

2012-11-27 Thread Warren Block


On Tue, 27 Nov 2012, Ralf Mardorf wrote:


This is from the log:

# gpart show ada0
=   63  625142385  ada0  MBR  (298G)
63  121274683- free -  (57G)
 121274746  503862599 2  ebr  [active]  (240G)
 625137345   5103- free -  (2.5M)

# gpart add -t freebsd -i1 ada0
ada0s1 added

Now it becomes complicated, since the log is a mess:

=   63  625142385  ada0  MBR  (298G)
63  121274622 1  freebsd  (57G)
 121274685 61- free -  (30k)
 121274746  503862599 2  ebr  [active]  (240G)
 625137345   5103- free -  (2.5M)


That looks okay.


# gpart show ada0s1
=0  121274622  ada0s1  EBR  (57G)
 0  121274622  - free -  (57G)

# gpart create -s bsd ada0s1
gpart: geom 'ada0s1': File exists


Sorry, no idea on that.  Because of the extended partitions, maybe.
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Re: How to create a partition for FreeBSD 9.0?

On Tue, 2012-11-27 at 17:04 -0700, Warren Block wrote:
  # gpart create -s bsd ada0s1
  gpart: geom 'ada0s1': File exists
 
 Sorry, no idea on that.  Because of the extended partitions, maybe.

Thank you,

so this should work and if it doesn't work, I can't install FreeBSD?

Anything else I can try?

FWIW on this machine are Linux installs only, used file systems are
ext3, ext4 and ntfs [1].

Regards,
Ralf

[1]
spinymouse@q:~$ sudo fdisk -l

Disk /dev/sda: 320.1 GB, 320072933376 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 38913 cylinders, total 625142448 sectors
Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
Disk identifier: 0x000f2fc6

   Device Boot  Start End  Blocks   Id  System
/dev/sda1  63   12127468460637311   a5  FreeBSD
/dev/sda2   *   121274746   625137344   251931299+   5  Extended
/dev/sda5   121274748   183751469312383617  HPFS/NTFS/exFAT
/dev/sda6   183751533   24642103431334751   83  Linux
/dev/sda7   246421098   30928337931431141   83  Linux
/dev/sda8   309283443   36196761526342086+  83  Linux
/dev/sda9   361969664   43561779136824064   83  Linux
/dev/sda10  435618603   440164934 2273166   82  Linux swap /
Solaris
/dev/sda11  440164998   56187337460854188+  83  Linux
/dev/sda12  561873438   569215079 3670821   83  Linux
/dev/sda13  569215143   61551440923149633+  83  Linux
/dev/sda14  615514473   625137344 4811436   83  Linux

Disk /dev/sdb: 500.1 GB, 500107862016 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 60801 cylinders, total 976773168 sectors
Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
Disk identifier: 0x000525e5

   Device Boot  Start End  Blocks   Id  System
/dev/sdb1  634297387421486906   83  Linux
/dev/sdb242973936   976768064   466897064+   5  Extended
/dev/sdb5429739388593168421478873+  83  Linux
/dev/sdb685931748   12869671421382483+  83  Linux
/dev/sdb7   128696778   133789319 2546271   82  Linux swap /
Solaris
/dev/sdb8   133789383   17594387921077248+  83  Linux
/dev/sdb9   175943943   21919085921623458+  83  Linux
/dev/sdb10  219190923   220211199  510138+  83  Linux
/dev/sdb11  220213248   24668774313237248   83  Linux
/dev/sdb12  246689792   34754969550429952   83  Linux
/dev/sdb13  347550273   557309951   104879839+  83  Linux
/dev/sdb14  557312000   976766975   209727488   83  Linux

spinymouse@q:~$ sudo parted -l
Model: ATA SAMSUNG HD321KJ (scsi)
Disk /dev/sda: 320GB
Sector size (logical/physical): 512B/512B
Partition Table: msdos

Number  Start   End SizeType  File system Flags
 1  32.3kB  62.1GB  62.1GB  primary   ext3
 2  62.1GB  320GB   258GB   extended  boot
 5  62.1GB  94.1GB  32.0GB  logical   ntfs
 6  94.1GB  126GB   32.1GB  logical   ext3
 7  126GB   158GB   32.2GB  logical   ext3
 8  158GB   185GB   27.0GB  logical   ext3
 9  185GB   223GB   37.7GB  logical   ext3
10  223GB   225GB   2328MB  logical   linux-swap(v1)
11  225GB   288GB   62.3GB  logical   ext3
12  288GB   291GB   3759MB  logical   ext3
13  291GB   315GB   23.7GB  logical   ext3
14  315GB   320GB   4927MB  logical   ext3


Model: ATA SAMSUNG HD502HJ (scsi)
Disk /dev/sdb: 500GB
Sector size (logical/physical): 512B/512B
Partition Table: msdos

Number  Start   End SizeType  File system Flags
 1  32.3kB  22.0GB  22.0GB  primary   ext4
 2  22.0GB  500GB   478GB   extended
 5  22.0GB  44.0GB  22.0GB  logical   ext3
 6  44.0GB  65.9GB  21.9GB  logical   ext3
 7  65.9GB  68.5GB  2607MB  logical   linux-swap(v1)
 8  68.5GB  90.1GB  21.6GB  logical   ext4
 9  90.1GB  112GB   22.1GB  logical   ext4
10  112GB   113GB   522MB   logical   ext4
11  113GB   126GB   13.6GB  logical   ext4
12  126GB   178GB   51.6GB  logical   ext4
13  178GB   285GB   107GB   logical   ext4
14  285GB   500GB   215GB   logical   ext4

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Re: VPS FreeBSD Hosting

2012-11-26 Thread Arthur Chance

On 11/25/12 22:07, Michael Sierchio wrote:

Top-posting for brevity. I use EC2. You can start with Colin
Percival's HVM instances - I run a Xen kernel using a modified version
of his original scheme - which is to have a 1GB Linux partition
running grub to boot from a FreeBSD disk. I'm happy to share an AMI
with you, but you should try Colin's stuff.

On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 1:08 PM, Jim Flowers jflow...@ezo.net wrote:

I gave up maintaining my own hardware for providing cloud computing
services about 10 years ago and have been using several dedicated server
services with root-access FreeBSD since about 6.0. with good results. At
the time VPS looked like too many problems.

FreeBSD is now officially supported by Amazon (but still supplied by
Colin) as well as Colin's defenestrated FreeBSD AMIs.

http://aws.typepad.com/aws/2012/11/aws-marketplace-additional-operating-system-support.html

https://aws.amazon.com/marketplace/pp/B00AA25MLK/ref=sp_mpg_product_title?ie=UTF8sr=0-2

However, these are only on the new 3rd generation of EC2 instances,
which are heavy duty systems. For many uses micro instances are enough,
but you still have to pay the Windows tax on those. I don't know
whether Colin is working to change that, or if there are technical
reasons why it's impossible.

http://www.daemonology.net/freebsd-on-ec2/
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Re: VPS FreeBSD Hosting

2012-11-26 Thread Jeremy Johnston


Hello,

  We at SmartServ Hosting, http://www.smart-serv.net/, have been 
offering VPS containers supporting FreeBSD for over a year and 
previously ran all our services from FreeBSD on bare metal before moving 
into our virtualization environment where we continue to use FreeBSD for 
our core services. We have hosts available in US and France currently.


On 11/25/2012 02:08 PM, Jim Flowers wrote:

I gave up maintaining my own hardware for providing cloud computing
services about 10 years ago and have been using several dedicated server
services with root-access FreeBSD since about 6.0. with good results. At
the time VPS looked like too many problems.

Now, however, it looks like there are quite a number of mature VPS hosting
services that are FreeBSD-centric at very attractive prices. Most offer KVM
or VPS-instance access to allow rebooting and reinstallation.

Can anyone comment on the providers and the technology in the context of
having used them specifically for FreeBSD in the last few years?  Good?
Bad? Indifferent?

Fairly modest duty - spam filtering, mailboxes, websites, storage, reverse
proxy and the like.

Oh yeah, some development.

Thanks
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Re: VPS FreeBSD Hosting

2012-11-26 Thread Shane Ambler


On 26/11/2012 20:48, Arthur Chance wrote:


FreeBSD is now officially supported by Amazon (but still supplied by
 Colin) as well as Colin's defenestrated FreeBSD AMIs.



I don't use them yet but while looking into cloud setups I found that
rackspace have offered freebsd 9 images for us to build a server with
since July. They don't offer it as a supported system on their managed
solutions but they are happy for you to build your own server with it,
even looks like you can use zfs.


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Re: How to create a partition for FreeBSD 9.0?

On Sat, 2012-11-24 at 20:06 -0700, Warren Block wrote:
 On Sat, 24 Nov 2012, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
 
  I use the amd64 install DVD.
 
  With or without deleting, I can't format a bootable FreeBSD partition to
  ada0s1, aka Linux /dev/sda1. FWIW if I reinstall GRUB legacy
  to /dev/sda, the boot flag will be set for the extended
  partition. /dev/sda1 is an empty ext3 partition, size 57.83 GiB.
 
 Delete it, or set it to type 0xa5.  I think the first is probably better 
 for bsdinstall to see it as available.  Expect boot loaders to be 
 overwritten, so make a backup, preferably of everything.

It already was deleted for the last attempts. Another day, fortunately
I've got much time, so I'll read how to use the shell for partitioning.

I don't know if I'm an idiot or if the installer is broken, most likely
I'm an idiot + the installer is broken.

Regards,
Ralf

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Re: freebsd-update - To 'Stable'?

2012-11-25 Thread Karl Pielorz




--On 22 November 2012 17:41 +0100 Polytropon free...@edvax.de wrote:


I'm looking at switching to 'freebsd-update' - is there an equivalent
way  to get it to update me to '-STABLE'?


No. The freebsd-update program can only be used to follow
the RELEASE branch, plus the security updates (RELEASE-pN).
Following STABLE branch still requires you to update by
source.


Ok, as csup is 'deprecated' - I guess what I need to do is move over to 
Subversion instead? - As 'freebsd-update' is only going to get me release + 
security (-pX), not 'stable'.


At the moment we have a local host that has the entire FreeBSD source tree 
on it - so we can just 'cherry pick' versions we need to update - I'd guess 
/ hope a similar setup is possible, but with Subversion...


-Karl
[Off to look for a setup guide ;)]
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Re: How to create a partition for FreeBSD 9.0?

2012-11-25 Thread Polytropon

On Sun, 25 Nov 2012 02:34:28 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
 On Sun, 2012-11-25 at 00:27 +0100, Polytropon wrote:
  I meant the really manual mode (CLI) as to be seen in
  Fig. 3-10, named Shell (that's why the confusion, sorry).
  
  http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/bsdinstall-partitioning.html
 
 Manually Create Partitions doesn't work. The MD5sum for the ISO was ok
 and the burned DVD was verified.

How does doesn't work appear?

As far as I know, the difference to manual is that in _this_
method, you need to create your partitions yourself (the
default behaviour in ye olde sysinstall); otherwise, I think
one partition covering the whole slice will be created, this
can be sub-optimum (especially in worse case scenarios).



 I did not test Shell until now and it's to late to search and read a
 howto.

The Shell way should always work, even when the installer
should know better. You can find details on how to use the
CLI tools in Warren's article.



 When startup finished I push enter  Install  keyboard: German
 ISO-8859-1  hostname: freebsd  [*] doc, games, lib32, ports, src 
 Guided Partitioning  Select the disk on which to install FreeBSD: ada0
  Partition (not Entire Disk) 

That's the correct approach.



 Continuing doesn't work, or I don't know what to do. FWIW, I'll use MBR
 and if possible / only.

Maybe it's because you have a totally non-standard content
already on the disk (many Linusi, extended DOS partitions
and so on, and the installer gets confused). That's why it
would probably be easier to drop to the Shell command line
and use either fdisk + bsdlabel _or_ gpart.


-- 
Polytropon
Magdeburg, Germany
Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0
Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...
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Re: How to create a partition for FreeBSD 9.0?

On Sun, 2012-11-25 at 13:19 +0100, Polytropon wrote:
 How does doesn't work appear?

My apologies that I didn't wrote all error messages, they were about
non-bootable and other things. I guess it'
s better to ignore this and to continue with ...

 Maybe it's because you have a totally non-standard content
 already on the disk (many Linusi, extended DOS partitions
 and so on, and the installer gets confused). That's why it
 would probably be easier to drop to the Shell command line
 and use either fdisk + bsdlabel _or_ gpart.

... gpart.

Right now I'll shut down Linux and restart the installer and simply try,
what I've written here:

http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2012-November/246767.html

I'll wait a few minutes, perhaps you read it and say if this is ok.

Regards,
Ralf


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Re: freebsd-update - To 'Stable'?

2012-11-25 Thread Polytropon

On Sun, 25 Nov 2012 12:06:06 +, Karl Pielorz wrote:
 
 
 --On 22 November 2012 17:41 +0100 Polytropon free...@edvax.de wrote:
 
  I'm looking at switching to 'freebsd-update' - is there an equivalent
  way  to get it to update me to '-STABLE'?
 
  No. The freebsd-update program can only be used to follow
  the RELEASE branch, plus the security updates (RELEASE-pN).
  Following STABLE branch still requires you to update by
  source.
 
 Ok, as csup is 'deprecated' - I guess what I need to do is move over to 
 Subversion instead?

Sadly, yes. There still is no csup-equivalent (efficient and
fast implementation distributed with the base OS) provided yet.
And it's not just about being provided with the OS, but also
about nice integration (like /etc/sup/* config files or the
option to simply make update).



 - As 'freebsd-update' is only going to get me release + 
 security (-pX), not 'stable'.

Correct. You _can_ use this to compile your own non-GENERIC
kernel, but it will always have the pre-STABLE content,
just as the rest of /usr/src.



 At the moment we have a local host that has the entire FreeBSD source tree 
 on it - so we can just 'cherry pick' versions we need to update - I'd guess 
 / hope a similar setup is possible, but with Subversion...

It should be possible, as the functionality of CVS and SVN can
be seen as quite comparable.




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Magdeburg, Germany
Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0
Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...
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Wheres the FreeBSD PBR ? (was Re: Manually partitioning using gpart / wh)

2012-11-25 Thread Lucas B. Cohen

On 2012.11.25 14:35, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
 I don't need it, but I could add it for what ever worst case emergency
 scenario and GRUB in the MBR anyway will work?
I don't see how it could ever come in handy, and I'm not sure it
wouldn't do any hamr either. The /boot/gptboot code to be written weighs
15kB, that could be big enough to mess up the filesystem on the
partition. That /boot/gptboot code is designed to work on a
special-purpose small GPT partition that doesn't hold a filesystem. So I
would refrain from doing it.

It would be useful for emergency purposes to write MBR-partition
scheme-compatible bootcode to that partition instead, but I've yet to
find out how to do it. gpart(8) seems to have the ability to do it, but
it's manual page doesn't mention what file to pass to its -p option to
do that. Maybe it's one of those /boot/boot1 or /boot/boot2 files I'm
seeing on my system. Maybe someone can enlighten me on that.
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Re: Wheres the FreeBSD PBR ? (was Re: Manually partitioning using gpart / wh)

On Sun, 2012-11-25 at 15:10 +0100, Lucas B. Cohen wrote:
 On 2012.11.25 14:35, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
  I don't need it, but I could add it for what ever worst case emergency
  scenario and GRUB in the MBR anyway will work?
 I don't see how it could ever come in handy, and I'm not sure it
 wouldn't do any hamr either. The /boot/gptboot code to be written weighs
 15kB, that could be big enough to mess up the filesystem on the
 partition. That /boot/gptboot code is designed to work on a
 special-purpose small GPT partition that doesn't hold a filesystem. So I
 would refrain from doing it.
 
 It would be useful for emergency purposes to write MBR-partition
 scheme-compatible bootcode to that partition instead, but I've yet to
 find out how to do it. gpart(8) seems to have the ability to do it, but
 it's manual page doesn't mention what file to pass to its -p option to
 do that. Maybe it's one of those /boot/boot1 or /boot/boot2 files I'm
 seeing on my system. Maybe someone can enlighten me on that.

Ok. I don't install it.

Regards,
Ralf

-- 
At the moment I'm watching The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, so
I'll continue the install later today.

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Re: How to create a partition for FreeBSD 9.0?

2012-11-25 Thread Warren Block


On Sun, 25 Nov 2012, Ralf Mardorf wrote:


On Sun, 2012-11-25 at 13:19 +0100, Polytropon wrote:

How does doesn't work appear?


My apologies that I didn't wrote all error messages, they were about
non-bootable and other things. I guess it'
s better to ignore this and to continue with ...


Maybe it's because you have a totally non-standard content
already on the disk (many Linusi, extended DOS partitions
and so on, and the installer gets confused). That's why it
would probably be easier to drop to the Shell command line
and use either fdisk + bsdlabel _or_ gpart.


... gpart.

Right now I'll shut down Linux and restart the installer and simply try,
what I've written here:

http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2012-November/246767.html

I'll wait a few minutes, perhaps you read it and say if this is ok.


No, it confuses GPT and MBR issues.

I thought bsdinstall would install to an MBR partition.  That would be 
the easiest way.  If not...


Make a full backup first.

Assuming the first slice has been deleted.

# gpart add -t freebsd -i1 ada0

Create a FreeBSD disklabel/bsdlabel partitioning scheme inside the 
FreeBSD slice:


# gpart create -s bsd da0s1

Create FreeBSD partitions.  Sizes may be adjusted, but these will work.

# gpart add -t freebsd-ufs  -a 4k -s 2g   da0s1
# gpart add -t freebsd-swap -a 4k -s 512m da0s1
# gpart add -t freebsd-ufs  -a 4k -s 1g   da0s1
# gpart add -t freebsd-ufs  -a 4k -s 256m da0s1
# gpart add -t freebsd-ufs  -a 4k da0s1

After you have done all this, you can go back and use the Partition 
selection in bsdinstall to enter types and mountpoints for each.  Or you 
can newfs each and then mount them, setting the location in 
BSDINSTALL_CHROOT.

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VPS FreeBSD Hosting

2012-11-25 Thread Jim Flowers

I gave up maintaining my own hardware for providing cloud computing
services about 10 years ago and have been using several dedicated server
services with root-access FreeBSD since about 6.0. with good results. At
the time VPS looked like too many problems.

Now, however, it looks like there are quite a number of mature VPS hosting
services that are FreeBSD-centric at very attractive prices. Most offer KVM
or VPS-instance access to allow rebooting and reinstallation.

Can anyone comment on the providers and the technology in the context of
having used them specifically for FreeBSD in the last few years?  Good?
Bad? Indifferent?

Fairly modest duty - spam filtering, mailboxes, websites, storage, reverse
proxy and the like.

Oh yeah, some development.

Thanks
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Re: How to create a partition for FreeBSD 9.0?

I can't backup the whole HDDs :(. I backup some data from HDD1 to HDD2
and te other data from HDD2 to HDD1.

On Sun, 2012-11-25 at 13:43 -0700, Warren Block wrote:
 Assuming the first slice has been deleted.

Correct.

 # gpart add -t freebsd -i1 ada0
 
 Create a FreeBSD disklabel/bsdlabel partitioning scheme inside the 
 FreeBSD slice:
 
 # gpart create -s bsd da0s1
 
 Create FreeBSD partitions.  Sizes may be adjusted, but these will work.
 
 # gpart add -t freebsd-ufs  -a 4k -s 2g   da0s1
 # gpart add -t freebsd-swap -a 4k -s 512m da0s1
 # gpart add -t freebsd-ufs  -a 4k -s 1g   da0s1
 # gpart add -t freebsd-ufs  -a 4k -s 256m da0s1
 # gpart add -t freebsd-ufs  -a 4k da0s1
 
 After you have done all this, you can go back and use the Partition 
 selection in bsdinstall to enter types and mountpoints for each.  Or you 
 can newfs each and then mount them, setting the location in 
 BSDINSTALL_CHROOT.

I would prefer to continue with the installer.

However, I guess for my needs just / is needed, so I guess

# gpart add -t freebsd-swap -a 4k -s 512m da0s1
# gpart add -t freebsd-ufs  -a 4k da0s1

is what I should run?!

512m (it doesn't matter to use m or M?) is enough swap? I've got 4GB
RAM. On Linux I use 2 swaps each around 2GB, but they are not much used.
For Linux there are no valid rules any more, how to set up the swap, or
at least I don't know the rules.

Thank you,
Ralf

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Re: FreeBSD needs Git to ensure repo integrity

2012-11-25 Thread Dag-Erling Smørgrav

grarpamp grarp...@gmail.com writes:
 Any of hundreds of committer and admin accounts could be compromised
 with the attacker silently editing the repo.

FUD.  Committer accounts don't have direct access to the repo.

DES
-- 
Dag-Erling Smørgrav - d...@des.no
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Re: How to create a partition for FreeBSD 9.0?

2012-11-25 Thread Polytropon

On Sun, 25 Nov 2012 22:09:42 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
 I can't backup the whole HDDs :(. I backup some data from HDD1 to HDD2
 and te other data from HDD2 to HDD1.

Per definition, that's just a copy, not a backup. :-)



 I would prefer to continue with the installer.
 
 However, I guess for my needs just / is needed, so I guess
 
 # gpart add -t freebsd-swap -a 4k -s 512m da0s1
 # gpart add -t freebsd-ufs  -a 4k da0s1
 
 is what I should run?!
 
 512m (it doesn't matter to use m or M?) is enough swap?

If you have sufficient disk space, going for about 2 GB swap
won't be problematic (and offer you some free space for
unexpected use of swap).

From man gpart: Its size is given by the -s size option.
SI unit suffixes are allowed. The SI unit suffix per
definition is M, but if m also works, both seem to be valid.
There's an example reading /sbin/gpart add -s 512M -t freebsd-ufs da0
in the EXAMPLES section.


 I've got 4GB
 RAM. On Linux I use 2 swaps each around 2GB, but they are not much used.
 For Linux there are no valid rules any more, how to set up the swap, or
 at least I don't know the rules.

In fact, there are no definite rules anymore. The use of swap
depends on too many factors (HDD or SSD, how many, RAID layout,
RAM in machine, applications, ...) to make an easy rule. But
better have swap you don't need than to need swap you don't
have. :-)



I still wonder how or why the new installer fails with the
task discussed here. Basically, if there is free space on the
disk, one should be able to use fdisk to allocate it to a
FreeBSD slice (cf. DOS primary partition) and then use
disklabel (bsdlabel) to create the required partitions inside
this slice (/ and swap, in your case). There would be no need
to write any boot codes or MBR stuff as GRUB will chainload
the FreeBSD loader (hd0,a:/boot/loader).

Modern technology... :-)




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Magdeburg, Germany
Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0
Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...
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Re: VPS FreeBSD Hosting

2012-11-25 Thread Daniel Feenberg




On Sun, 25 Nov 2012, Jim Flowers wrote:


I gave up maintaining my own hardware for providing cloud computing
services about 10 years ago and have been using several dedicated server
services with root-access FreeBSD since about 6.0. with good results. At
the time VPS looked like too many problems.

Now, however, it looks like there are quite a number of mature VPS hosting
services that are FreeBSD-centric at very attractive prices. Most offer KVM
or VPS-instance access to allow rebooting and reinstallation.

Can anyone comment on the providers and the technology in the context of
having used them specifically for FreeBSD in the last few years?  Good?
Bad? Indifferent?



We have had good experience with pair.com and rootbsd.com. Both were used 
for websites. We never had any problems with either, so I can't report on 
their problem solving skills, but customer service from both was good for 
the handful of routine questions we had.


dan feenberg



Fairly modest duty - spam filtering, mailboxes, websites, storage, reverse
proxy and the like.

Oh yeah, some development.

Thanks
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Re: How to create a partition for FreeBSD 9.0?

2012-11-25 Thread Warren Block


On Sun, 25 Nov 2012, Ralf Mardorf wrote:


I can't backup the whole HDDs :(. I backup some data from HDD1 to HDD2
and te other data from HDD2 to HDD1.

On Sun, 2012-11-25 at 13:43 -0700, Warren Block wrote:

Assuming the first slice has been deleted.


Correct.


# gpart add -t freebsd -i1 ada0

Create a FreeBSD disklabel/bsdlabel partitioning scheme inside the
FreeBSD slice:

# gpart create -s bsd da0s1

Create FreeBSD partitions.  Sizes may be adjusted, but these will work.

# gpart add -t freebsd-ufs  -a 4k -s 2g   da0s1
# gpart add -t freebsd-swap -a 4k -s 512m da0s1
# gpart add -t freebsd-ufs  -a 4k -s 1g   da0s1
# gpart add -t freebsd-ufs  -a 4k -s 256m da0s1
# gpart add -t freebsd-ufs  -a 4k da0s1

After you have done all this, you can go back and use the Partition
selection in bsdinstall to enter types and mountpoints for each.  Or you
can newfs each and then mount them, setting the location in
BSDINSTALL_CHROOT.


I would prefer to continue with the installer.

However, I guess for my needs just / is needed, so I guess

# gpart add -t freebsd-swap -a 4k -s 512m da0s1
# gpart add -t freebsd-ufs  -a 4k da0s1


I think we just found in another thread that the UFS partition must be 
first, but it will have to have a size stated.



512m (it doesn't matter to use m or M?) is enough swap? I've got 4GB
RAM. On Linux I use 2 swaps each around 2GB, but they are not much used.


Use more if you like.  It will not hurt, and might be useful in some 
situations.  The m or g is not case-sensitive.


So the command above to allocate 40G for a filesystem and the rest to 
swap would be


# gpart add -t freebsd-ufs  -a 4k -s 40g da0s1
# gpart add -t freebsd-swap -a 4k -s da0s1

Bootcode might also be needed on the FreeBSD slice, but I have not used 
grub, so don't know for sure.

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serial console issues with FreeBSD 9.0 (i386)

2012-11-25 Thread Jukka Salmi

Hello

While installing FreeBSD 9.0 i386 on a Soekris net6501 I ran into some
problems regarding the serial console.  Those problems and their
workarounds are described below -- for the archives, in case someone
runs into them as well.

After having read section 27.6 Setting Up the Serial Console from the
FreeBSD Handbook and the man pages related to boot(8) and loader(8) I
decided to go for the option to configure the serial console using
boot.config(5).  I wrote the FreeBSD 9.0 i386 memstick image to a memory
stick, mounted the root file system and created boot.config therein,
containing '-h -S57600' on a single line (yes, without the quotes ;-)).
But booting from this stick failed with

 boot 82   - Soekris comBIOS prompt
/bInvalid format

followed by a system reboot.  However, this was not always reproducible;
every now and then booting succeeded.

Coincidentally I noticed that with the two boot(8) arguments swapped
(i.e. with '-S57600 -h'), booting seems to always succeed:

 boot 82
/boot.config: -S57600 -h
Consoles: serial port
[...]

A similar (same?) problem seems to exist when booting the installed
system from hard disk: if /boot.config contains '-h -S57600', booting
fails with

 boot  - Soekris comBIOS prompt
/b

being output, after which the system seems to freeze -- at least no
reboot and no disk access seem to happen.  When swapping the order of
boot(8) arguments (i.e. '-S57600 -h'), the system boots fine:

 boot
/boot.config: -S57600 -h

Consoles: serial port   

[...]

At least according to its man page, boot(8) seems to require the console
speed option to be passed as a last option -- or am I missing something?

BTW, I just noticed that these boot failures only seem to happen with
particular speed settings: while with 57600 and 38400 the problem takes
place as described above, with 19200 and 9600 it does _not_, i.e. the
system boots fine.  Hmm, any hints?


Cheers, Jukka

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Re: VPS FreeBSD Hosting

2012-11-25 Thread Bruce Cran


On 25/11/2012 21:08, Jim Flowers wrote:

Can anyone comment on the providers and the technology in the context of
having used them specifically for FreeBSD in the last few years?  Good?
Bad? Indifferent?


What part of the world are you in? In the US there's RootBSD; in Europe 
there are a few, including Goscomb.


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Re: VPS FreeBSD Hosting

2012-11-25 Thread Michael Sierchio

Top-posting for brevity.  I use EC2.  You can start with Colin
Percival's HVM instances - I run a Xen kernel using a modified version
of his original scheme - which is to have a 1GB Linux partition
running grub to boot from a FreeBSD disk.  I'm happy to share an AMI
with you, but you should try Colin's stuff.

On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 1:08 PM, Jim Flowers jflow...@ezo.net wrote:
 I gave up maintaining my own hardware for providing cloud computing
 services about 10 years ago and have been using several dedicated server
 services with root-access FreeBSD since about 6.0. with good results. At
 the time VPS looked like too many problems.
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Re: FreeBSD on SSD on ASUS P5KPL-C


On Sat, 24 Nov 2012, Matthias Apitz wrote:


El día Wednesday, November 21, 2012 a las 09:19:24PM -0700, Warren Block 
escribió:


On Wed, 21 Nov 2012, Warren Block wrote:


The fdisk/bsdlabel section of my disk setup article has been rewritten
to use gpart.  Feedback welcome.

http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/html/disksetup.html


Hi Warren,

When the page is opened with konqueror of KDE 3.5.10 the JS functions
for Table Of Content generator are generating in an endless loop the links.


That's... unexpected.  It's a stock AsciiDoc-generated feature.  The
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Re: Should newfs include -S 4096? was Re: boot problem after freebsd-update from 9.1-RC2 to 9.1-RC3


On Fri, 23 Nov 2012, free...@johnea.net wrote:


One of the complications was getting old metadata off of the drive. After 
trying a couple of 'dd' invocations:
# overwriting the first sector
dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/ada0 bs=512 count=1
# also tried overwriting the last sector
diskinfo ada0 | cut -f4
3907029168
(subtract 34, per WB) (I actually just subtracted the trailing 68)
dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/ada0 seek=3907029100

This would still seem to not delete all of the metadata, since after issuing:

gmirror label -b split gm0 /dev/ada0
gmirror load
# repartition new mirror
gpart create -s MBR mirror/gm0
# ignore mirror/gm0s1 added, but partition is not aligned on 4096 bytes after 
add
gpart add -t freebsd -a 4k mirror/gm0
# create the bsdlabel partitions in slice 1 (s1)
gpart create -s BSD mirror/gm0s1

I would see that the old gm0s1a and gm0s1b had reappeared, even though I had 
not yet issued the 'add -t freebsd-ufs'. I'm not sure if they came back with 
the 'add -t freebsd' or the 'create -s BSD'.


Saved this since yesterday, thinking maybe I could come up with an idea, 
but so far I can't think what would cause that.  It might not hurt to 
force a retaste after the dd.



The only thing that seemed to fix it was:

gpart destroy -F /dev/ada0

I also tried at one point:

gpart destroy -F ada0
gpart create -s gpt ada0
gpart destroy -F ada0



The thing I wonder about now: Should newfs include -S 4096?

I used:

newfs -U /dev/mirror/gm0s1a

Will this lead to 512 byte sector access to the disk through the file system?

Will this impact performance or longevity of the mirror?


It's a good question; I have not tried it.
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Multi-boot Linux + FreeBSD

Hi,

as a long time Linux user I'll test FreeBSD, because I've got issues
with my sound card on Linux. I'm already subscribed to FreeBSD
multimedia.

Perhaps later today I'll install 9.0 amd64. If possible I'll keep my
Linux GRUB legacy. Can I use my menu.lst [1] and add a chainloader or
something similar to boot FreeBSD from /dev/sda1?

FWIW I made backups of my HDD's MBRs.

I wonder if the installer will overwrite the MBR?

I also would like to know, if there's a way to recover the partition
table, including a primary FreeBSD partition/slice, if this ever should
get broken and there should be no backup of the partition table be
available.

TIA,
Ralf


[1]
$ cat /boot/grub/menu.lst
timeout   8
default   0
color light-blue/black light-cyan/blue

title Ubuntu Quantal,kernel 3.6.5-rt14
root   (hd1,8)
kernel /boot/vmlinuz-3.6.5-rt14 root=/dev/sdb9 ro quiet 
initrd /boot/initrd.img-3.6.5-rt14

title Ubuntu Quantal,kernel 3.5.0-18-lowlatency threadirqs
root   (hd1,8)
kernel /boot/vmlinuz-3.5.0-18-lowlatency root=/dev/sdb9 ro quiet threadirqs
initrd /boot/initrd.img-3.5.0-18-lowlatency

title Ubuntu Quantal,kernel 3.5.0-18-lowlatency (recovery mode)
root   (hd1,8)
kernel /boot/vmlinuz-3.5.0-18-lowlatency root=/dev/sdb9 ro  single
initrd /boot/initrd.img-3.5.0-18-lowlatency

title Ubuntu Studio Quantal, Kernel 3.6.5-rt14
root=(hd1,12)
kernel /boot/vmlinuz-3.6.5-rt14 root=/dev/sdb13 ro quiet
initrd /boot/initrd.img-3.6.5-rt14

title Ubuntu Studio Quantal, Kernel 3.5.0-18-lowlatency threadirqs
root=(hd1,12)
kernel /boot/vmlinuz-3.5.0-18-lowlatency root=/dev/sdb13 ro quiet threadirqs
initrd /boot/initrd.img-3.5.0-18-lowlatency

title Ubuntu Studio Precise, Kernel 3.0.30 threadirqs
root=(hd1,0)
kernel /boot/vmlinuz-3.0.30 root=UUID=338316fb-364e-4a43-8deb-738127f878ce ro 
quiet threadirqs
initrd /boot/initrd.img-3.0.30

title Ubuntu Studio Precise, Kernel 3.2.0-23-lowlatency threadirqs
root=(hd1,0)
kernel /boot/vmlinuz-3.2.0-23-lowlatency 
root=UUID=338316fb-364e-4a43-8deb-738127f878ce ro quiet threadirqs
initrd /boot/initrd.img-3.2.0-23-lowlatency

title AVlinux 5.0.3, Kernel 3.0.23-rt40
root=(hd1,10)   
kernel /boot/vmlinuz-3.0.23-rt40 root=/dev/sdb11 ro quiet
initrd /boot/initrd.img-3.0.23-rt40

title AVlinux 5.0.3, Kernel 3.0.23-avl-7-pae threadirqs
root=(hd1,10)   
kernel /boot/vmlinuz-3.0.23-avl-7-pae root=/dev/sdb11 ro threadirqs quiet
initrd /boot/initrd.img-3.0.23-avl-7-pae

title Edubuntu 10.10,Kernel 2.6.33.9-rt31
root=(hd1,7)
kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.33.9-rt31 
root=UUID=ded93dfb-37ae-48cf-a3a3-b613aa5704fd ro
initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.33.9-rt31

title Ubuntu Studio Oz,  Kernel 3.0.0-17-generic
root=(hd1,5)
kernel /boot/vmlinuz-3.0.0-17-generic 
root=UUID=0241b2ac-a0ab-44de-8d73-0ed084e152e6
initrd /boot/initrd.img-3.0.0-17-generic

title Ubuntu Studio Oz,  Kernel 3.0.0-20-generic
root=(hd1,5)
kernel /boot/vmlinuz-3.0.0-20-generic 
root=UUID=0241b2ac-a0ab-44de-8d73-0ed084e152e6
initrd /boot/initrd.img-3.0.0-20-generic

title  Arch Linux Rt
root   (hd0,8)
kernel /boot/vmlinuz-linux-rt root=/dev/sda9 ro
initrd /boot/initramfs-linux-rt.img

title  Arch Linux
root   (hd0,8)
kernel /boot/vmlinuz-linux root=/dev/sda9 ro
initrd /boot/initramfs-linux.img

title  Arch Linux Fallback
root   (hd0,8)
kernel /boot/vmlinuz-linux root=/dev/sda9 ro
initrd /boot/initramfs-linux-fallback.img

title openSUSE 11.2, Kernel 2.6.31.6-rt19
root   (hd0,6)
kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.31.6-rt19  root=/dev/sda7
initrd /boot/initrd-2.6.31.6-rt19

title Ubuntu Quantal memtest86+
root   (hd1,8)
kernel /boot/memtest86+.bin

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Is FreeBSD 9 Production Ready?


I am currently running FBSD 8.3-STABLE on a production server that
provides http, dns, smtp, and so on for a small domain.  This is not
a high arrival rate environment but it does need to be rock solid (which
FBSD 4-8 have been).

I am contemplating moving to the FBSD 9 family.  Is this branch ready
for production or should I wait a while yet?  I ordinarily avoid x.0
releases of anything and I know 9.1 is soon going to be with us.

In a related note, if I do move to 9.x is it sufficient to grab the
appropriate source tree and compile world and kernels, install and
reboot?  That is, it is reasonable to do an in-place upgrade.  This
is how I migrated 4-6, 6-7, and 7-8 and I am hoping this is till
the case since a complete reinstall is painful and slow.

TIA,
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Re: Multi-boot Linux + FreeBSD

2012-11-24 Thread Lucas B. Cohen

Hi Ralf,

On 2012.11.24 17:06, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
 Perhaps later today I'll install 9.0 amd64. If possible I'll keep my
 Linux GRUB legacy. Can I use my menu.lst [1] and add a chainloader or
 something similar to boot FreeBSD from /dev/sda1?
I don't know if GRUB v1 allows that, on a multiboot system I use GRUB 2
to either load FreeBSD's loader(8) :

menuentry FreeBSD (Loader) {
insmod part_bsd
set root='hd0,msdos2,bsd1'
echo Loading FreeBSD loader
kfreebsd /boot/loader
echo Starting FreeBSD loader
}

or to run its kernel directly, after having passed it optional device hints:

menuentry FreeBSD (Direct Boot) {
insmod ufs2
set root='hd0,msdos2,bsd1'
echo Loading FreeBSD kernel
kfreebsd /boot/kernel/kernel
echo Loading FreeBSD environment
kfreebsd_loadenv /boot/device.hints
set kfreebsd.vfs.root.mountfrom=ufs:/dev/ada0s2
echo Booting FreeBSD
}

I'm not saying it's impossible, but I'm unable to chainload to the
loader code on my system with this:
menuentry FreeBSD (Chainload) {
insmod chain
set root='hd0,msdos2'
chainloader +1
}



 FWIW I made backups of my HDD's MBRs.
 I wonder if the installer will overwrite the MBR?
Always a good thing to have backups. From what I've experienced and
read, 9.0-RELEASE's installer is not always predictable in that regard,
it's probably safer to assume it'll won't do what you want, and just
restore your MBR after the installation, to go back to using GRUB for
dual-booting.

Here's the pitfall, though: the MBR also holds the partition table. So
make a fresh backup after you've created/reorganized the primary
partitions (slices) on your disk using a tool you're familiar with.
(Logical partitions and BSD partitions are stored differently, so they
will survive an MBR restore, provided it doesn't modify the primary
partition they're contained in.)

 I also would like to know, if there's a way to recover the partition
 table, including a primary FreeBSD partition/slice, if this ever should
 get broken and there should be no backup of the partition table be
 available.
The partition table is held alongside the MBR, in the first logical
sector of your disk. Restoring one will restore the other.
For extra safety, you can save the output of partitioning tools like
fdisk or GNU parted expressed in sectors.

Hope this helps,

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Re: Is FreeBSD 9 Production Ready?

2012-11-24 Thread Lucas B. Cohen

On 2012.11.24 17:38, Tim Daneliuk wrote:
 I am contemplating moving to the FBSD 9 family.  Is this branch ready
 for production or should I wait a while yet?  
This probably won't help much, but I wouldn't call any system
production ready until I've tested it as thoroughly as possible and
qualified it myself for the purpose I intend to use it. I wouldn't
blindly trust and drop an operating system on production servers, no
matter how good the feedback from outside my organization sounds.

As far as FreeBSD release engineering goes, I believe all -RELEASE
versions are aimed at maximum stability. But obviously no person or
organization can ever test all possible hardware, software and settings
combinations.
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Re: Is FreeBSD 9 Production Ready?


On 11/24/2012 11:19 AM, Lucas B. Cohen wrote:

I wouldn't
blindly trust and drop an operating system on production servers, no
matter how good the feedback from outside my organization sounds.


In general, I'd agree with you.  Certainly, that's been the case
with Linux, AIX, and so on over the years.

But I have had essentially no problems doing in-place major rev
updates with FreeBSD thus far.  The only breakage I am worried about
now is whether the new compiler change breaks things that used to
work just fine.  For example, will my make.conf settings be properly
observed by the new tool chain?
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Re: RME audio card user new to FreeBSD

2012-11-24 Thread Juergen Lock

In article 1353768334.2641.21.camel@q you write:
Thank you!
You're welcome!

On Sat, 2012-11-24 at 15:14 +0100, Juergen Lock wrote:
  Don't want to try 9.1RC3?

I thought it would be better to start with something stable as a
newbie and now burning already is in progress.

 Well I don't think there'll be many changes from RC3 to release,
and you can use freebsd-update to get to -release after it's out
anyway.

 (I think you can also back it up, but make sure you don't restore the
 slice table in the mbr too if you add the bsd slice from bsdinstall,
 only the actual bootcode.)

I backup the first 512 bytes:
dd if=/dev/sda of=MBR_sda-$BACKUP_NAME_ADD bs=512 count=1

So I should restore from byte 0 to byte 439 only if a restore should be
needed?

 That does sound correct. (tho I haven't verified the exact number 439.)

I assume that there's also a way to recover a broken partition table
with BSD information if needed and no backup should be available?

 There is sysutils/scan_ffs in ports tho I didn't have to try it yet.

 HTH, :)
Juergen

PS: I have Cc'd the freebsd-questions list as this no longer really
is a multimedia topic...  (Yes I should have done that earlier, sorry.)
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Re: Is FreeBSD 9 Production Ready?

2012-11-24 Thread Lowell Gilbert

Tim Daneliuk tun...@tundraware.com writes:

 On 11/24/2012 11:19 AM, Lucas B. Cohen wrote:
 I wouldn't
 blindly trust and drop an operating system on production servers, no
 matter how good the feedback from outside my organization sounds.

 In general, I'd agree with you.  Certainly, that's been the case
 with Linux, AIX, and so on over the years.

I have a very small server of my own for the house, and I generally
update it to major versions within a few weeks of updating. I think I
had it on RELENG_9 within two months of 9.0 being released. As far as I
recall, I had very few problems making the jump.

 But I have had essentially no problems doing in-place major rev
 updates with FreeBSD thus far.  The only breakage I am worried about
 now is whether the new compiler change breaks things that used to
 work just fine.  For example, will my make.conf settings be properly
 observed by the new tool chain?

I wouldn't use the new toolchain for this server. The old toolchain is
still the default anyway.
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Re: Multi-boot Linux + FreeBSD

2012-11-24 Thread Damien Fleuriot

While no expert, I would advise against running the kernel directly.

The loader allows you to boot in single user which may come handy at times.


On 24 Nov 2012, at 18:08, Lucas B. Cohen l...@bnrlabs.com wrote:

 Hi Ralf,
 
 On 2012.11.24 17:06, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
 Perhaps later today I'll install 9.0 amd64. If possible I'll keep my
 Linux GRUB legacy. Can I use my menu.lst [1] and add a chainloader or
 something similar to boot FreeBSD from /dev/sda1?
 I don't know if GRUB v1 allows that, on a multiboot system I use GRUB 2
 to either load FreeBSD's loader(8) :
 
 menuentry FreeBSD (Loader) {
insmod part_bsd
set root='hd0,msdos2,bsd1'
echo Loading FreeBSD loader
kfreebsd /boot/loader
echo Starting FreeBSD loader
 }
 
 or to run its kernel directly, after having passed it optional device hints:
 
 menuentry FreeBSD (Direct Boot) {
insmod ufs2
set root='hd0,msdos2,bsd1'
echo Loading FreeBSD kernel
kfreebsd /boot/kernel/kernel
echo Loading FreeBSD environment
kfreebsd_loadenv /boot/device.hints
set kfreebsd.vfs.root.mountfrom=ufs:/dev/ada0s2
echo Booting FreeBSD
 }
 
 I'm not saying it's impossible, but I'm unable to chainload to the
 loader code on my system with this:
 menuentry FreeBSD (Chainload) {
insmod chain
set root='hd0,msdos2'
chainloader +1
 }
 
 
 
 FWIW I made backups of my HDD's MBRs.
 I wonder if the installer will overwrite the MBR?
 Always a good thing to have backups. From what I've experienced and
 read, 9.0-RELEASE's installer is not always predictable in that regard,
 it's probably safer to assume it'll won't do what you want, and just
 restore your MBR after the installation, to go back to using GRUB for
 dual-booting.
 
 Here's the pitfall, though: the MBR also holds the partition table. So
 make a fresh backup after you've created/reorganized the primary
 partitions (slices) on your disk using a tool you're familiar with.
 (Logical partitions and BSD partitions are stored differently, so they
 will survive an MBR restore, provided it doesn't modify the primary
 partition they're contained in.)
 
 I also would like to know, if there's a way to recover the partition
 table, including a primary FreeBSD partition/slice, if this ever should
 get broken and there should be no backup of the partition table be
 available.
 The partition table is held alongside the MBR, in the first logical
 sector of your disk. Restoring one will restore the other.
 For extra safety, you can save the output of partitioning tools like
 fdisk or GNU parted expressed in sectors.
 
 Hope this helps,
 
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Re: Multi-boot Linux + FreeBSD

Thank you Damien, Lucas and Juergen :)

btw. the off topic on multimedia is my bad, I wasn't subscribed to
FreeBSD questions.

While reading howtos I missed
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/faq/disks.html#grub-loader

I'll add

title FreeBSD 9.0
root (hd0,a)
kernel /boot/loader

to my menu.lst and then install FreeBSD.

Regards,
Ralf

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Re: Is FreeBSD 9 Production Ready?

2012-11-24 Thread Matthew Seaman

On 24/11/2012 16:38, Tim Daneliuk wrote:
 I am contemplating moving to the FBSD 9 family.  Is this branch ready
 for production or should I wait a while yet?  I ordinarily avoid x.0
 releases of anything and I know 9.1 is soon going to be with us.

9-STABLE works for me.  I've run into a few quite minor bugs, but
certainly nothing really significant.  Stability is rock-solid as ever.

 In a related note, if I do move to 9.x is it sufficient to grab the
 appropriate source tree and compile world and kernels, install and
 reboot?  That is, it is reasonable to do an in-place upgrade.  This
 is how I migrated 4-6, 6-7, and 7-8 and I am hoping this is till
 the case since a complete reinstall is painful and slow.

Upgrading by compiling world+kernel from source is an effective method.
 Works just as well for 8-9 as for any of the previous upgrades you
mention.

It is not however sufficient to get you a completely upgraded system:
you will still have to re-install all of your ports.  Otherwise, as you
end up trying to upgrade ports by ones and twos over time, you'll end up
with a complete rat's nest of contradictory shared library dependencies
and programs crashing left, right and centre.

Cheers,

Matthew

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How to create a partition for FreeBSD 9.0?

I use the amd64 install DVD.

With or without deleting, I can't format a bootable FreeBSD partition to
ada0s1, aka Linux /dev/sda1. FWIW if I reinstall GRUB legacy
to /dev/sda, the boot flag will be set for the extended
partition. /dev/sda1 is an empty ext3 partition, size 57.83 GiB.

Regards,
Ralf

PS:
spinymouse@q:~$ sudo fdisk -l /dev/sda

Disk /dev/sda: 320.1 GB, 320072933376 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 38913 cylinders, total 625142448 sectors
Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
Disk identifier: 0x000f2fc6

   Device Boot  Start End  Blocks   Id  System
/dev/sda1  63   12127468460637311   83  Linux
/dev/sda2   *   121274746   625137344   251931299+   5  Extended
/dev/sda5   121274748   183751469312383617  HPFS/NTFS/exFAT
/dev/sda6   183751533   24642103431334751   83  Linux
/dev/sda7   246421098   30928337931431141   83  Linux
/dev/sda8   309283443   36196761526342086+  83  Linux
/dev/sda9   361969664   43561779136824064   83  Linux
/dev/sda10  435618603   440164934 2273166   82  Linux swap / Solaris
/dev/sda11  440164998   56187337460854188+  83  Linux
/dev/sda12  561873438   569215079 3670821   83  Linux
/dev/sda13  569215143   61551440923149633+  83  Linux
/dev/sda14  615514473   625137344 4811436   83  Linux
spinymouse@q:~$ sudo fdisk -l /dev/sdb

Disk /dev/sdb: 500.1 GB, 500107862016 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 60801 cylinders, total 976773168 sectors
Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
Disk identifier: 0x000525e5

   Device Boot  Start End  Blocks   Id  System
/dev/sdb1  634297387421486906   83  Linux
/dev/sdb242973936   976768064   466897064+   5  Extended
/dev/sdb5429739388593168421478873+  83  Linux
/dev/sdb685931748   12869671421382483+  83  Linux
/dev/sdb7   128696778   133789319 2546271   82  Linux swap / Solaris
/dev/sdb8   133789383   17594387921077248+  83  Linux
/dev/sdb9   175943943   21919085921623458+  83  Linux
/dev/sdb10  219190923   220211199  510138+  83  Linux
/dev/sdb11  220213248   24668774313237248   83  Linux
/dev/sdb12  246689792   34754969550429952   83  Linux
/dev/sdb13  347550273   557309951   104879839+  83  Linux
/dev/sdb14  557312000   976766975   209727488   83  Linux
spinymouse@q:~$ sudo grub-install /dev/sda
Searching for GRUB installation directory ... found: /boot/grub
Installing GRUB to /dev/sda as (hd0)...
Installation finished. No error reported.
This is the contents of the device map /boot/grub/device.map.
Check if this is correct or not. If any of the lines is incorrect,
fix it and re-run the script `grub-install'.

(fd0)   /dev/fd0
(hd0)   /dev/sda
(hd1)   /dev/sdb

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Re: Is FreeBSD 9 Production Ready?


On 11/24/2012 03:48 PM, Matthew Seaman wrote:

It is not however sufficient to get you a completely upgraded system:
you will still have to re-install all of your ports.  Otherwise, as you
end up trying to upgrade ports by ones and twos over time, you'll end up
with a complete rat's nest of contradictory shared library dependencies
and programs crashing left, right and centre.


So I am discovering.  I moved the system to 9.1-PRE today with a
source compile.  After I then did a make remove-old, the system
started complaining about missing libraries.  So ... I temporarily
fixed this with appropriate /etc/libmap.conf entires.  I am now
about to do a portupgrade -aARrvf to redo the ports.  We'll see
how that goes...



--

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Re: How to create a partition for FreeBSD 9.0?

2012-11-24 Thread Polytropon

On Sat, 24 Nov 2012 23:14:40 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
 I use the amd64 install DVD.
 
 With or without deleting, I can't format a bootable FreeBSD partition to
 ada0s1, aka Linux /dev/sda1.

You mention ada0s1. This is not a partition. It's called
a slice (different term: DOS primary partition). You
need to create partitions inside the slice (or one covering
the whole slice, typically not recommended). To _format_
a partition (freebsd-ufs GPT, or MBR slice + partitions),
newfs is the tool.

I know this might sound confusing, taking DOS primary
partitions, DOS extended partition and logical volume
inside a DOS extended partition into account. Still it's
helpful to know the proper BSD terminology for those things,
and the understanding of _what_ a partition is (it's a
part of a DOS primary partition, so to say - it works
like the logical volume inside a DOS extended partition,
but without requiring the DOS extended partition).



 FWIW if I reinstall GRUB legacy
 to /dev/sda, the boot flag will be set for the extended
 partition. /dev/sda1 is an empty ext3 partition, size 57.83 GiB.

I think it would be better to delete the partition (not empty
partition, but then no partition) and let the installer
allocate the free space to a slice. Then you shouldn't need
to bother with boot flags as you're probably going to chainload
per GRUB.

When you have created the partition, either by using gpart for
the more convenient GPT or MBR approach (gpart supports this
mechanism), or by using fdisk for the traditional MBR approach,
you can create partitions inside this slice, for example a
root partition, a swap partition, and maybe partitions for
functional separation of OS and data components, such as /tmp,
/var, /usr and /home. You can do this as mentioned with
fdisk + bsdlabel (MBR approach) or gpart (GPT approach,
but only if this is supported by the rest of your disk
organisation).



Device Boot  Start End  Blocks   Id  System
 /dev/sda1  63   12127468460637311   83  Linux

This is the partition you're going to install FreeBSD to?
Good, just delete it and let the installer do the work. :-)

You can also switch to manual mode and use the CLI tools to
create a slice and partitions. It's not very complicated and
should be possible from the Fixit live system (not tested).

See this document for details on partitioning preparation
and disk initialisation:

http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/html/disksetup.html



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Re: How to create a partition for FreeBSD 9.0?

On Sat, 2012-11-24 at 23:35 +0100, Polytropon wrote:
 Device Boot  Start End  Blocks   Id  System
  /dev/sda1  63   12127468460637311   83  Linux
 
 This is the partition you're going to install FreeBSD to?
 Good, just delete it and let the installer do the work. :-)

Yes, but the install doesn't do it! I can delete it now, instead of
trying to delete it with the installer and see if the installer will
work then.

To be continued ...

Thank you,
Ralf


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Re: How to create a partition for FreeBSD 9.0?

On Sat, 2012-11-24 at 23:35 +0100, Polytropon wrote:
 You can also switch to manual mode

I did this first and it didn't work.

Regards,
Ralf

PS: I very often receive mails two times :(, from the list and directly
send to me. I notice that mailing list options for the MUA are broken.
Is mailman misconfigured or did I miss something I should take care off?
I don't have such issues with other mailing lists.

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Re: How to create a partition for FreeBSD 9.0?

2012-11-24 Thread Polytropon

On Sun, 25 Nov 2012 00:07:09 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
 On Sat, 2012-11-24 at 23:35 +0100, Polytropon wrote:
  Device Boot  Start End  Blocks   Id  System
   /dev/sda1  63   12127468460637311   83  Linux
  
  This is the partition you're going to install FreeBSD to?
  Good, just delete it and let the installer do the work. :-)
 
 Yes, but the install doesn't do it! I can delete it now, instead of
 trying to delete it with the installer and see if the installer will
 work then.

That sounds good. The installer should be able to detect
the free space and assign it to a slice (that can then
used to create partitions inside it) or GPT partitions
(until the free space is consumed).



On Sun, 25 Nov 2012 00:14:49 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
 On Sat, 2012-11-24 at 23:35 +0100, Polytropon wrote:
  You can also switch to manual mode
 
 I did this first and it didn't work.

I meant the really manual mode (CLI) as to be seen in
Fig. 3-10, named Shell (that's why the confusion, sorry).

http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/bsdinstall-partitioning.html

I have to admit that I'm not very familiar with the new
installer (bsdinstall), I've been occassionally using
the old installer (sysinstall) in the past, with less
options where one could do something wrong. :-)

It's important that you either make sure there is one
free slice (means: max. 3 DOS primary partitions are
defined, one slot is free), or use GPT (command line
tool: gpart).

This is what you should be able to do when using the
Shell option, even though the guided and manual mode
should work. What's exceptional in your case: You
have defined a lot of partitions for Linux, maybe this
confuses the new installer. :-)

You also should decide _which_ partitioning approach
works for you - MBR or (probably) GPT. This also depends
on how you have organized your Linusi.

The use of the CLI tools for this approach are documented
in Warren's article I've mentioned in a previous message.



 PS: I very often receive mails two times :(, from the list and directly
 send to me. I notice that mailing list options for the MUA are broken.
 Is mailman misconfigured or did I miss something I should take care off?
 I don't have such issues with other mailing lists.

Sorry, don't mind: This is obviously a problem on _my_ side,
the reply all vs. reply to mailing-list. The list system
should be working properly; you should receive this message
now from the list (as it is intended).

I'm just too stupid to use a computer. :-)




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OT: How to create a partition for FreeBSD 9.0?

On Sun, 2012-11-25 at 00:27 +0100, Polytropon wrote:
 I'm just too stupid to use a computer. :-)

I once wanted to delete a broken Linux, before restoring it from a
backup, but by accident deleted the broken Linux + the only backup too.
No drugs involved. In around 20 years using computers, I was able to
pull off a feat like this for only one time.


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Re: Is FreeBSD 9 Production Ready?

2012-11-24 Thread Erich Dollansky

Hi,

On Sat, 24 Nov 2012 10:38:35 -0600
Tim Daneliuk tun...@tundraware.com wrote:

 I am currently running FBSD 8.3-STABLE on a production server that
 provides http, dns, smtp, and so on for a small domain.  This is not
 a high arrival rate environment but it does need to be rock solid
 (which FBSD 4-8 have been).

why would you like to break a running system?
 
 I am contemplating moving to the FBSD 9 family.  Is this branch ready

I would stay with 8.x until the end of its support and move only then
to a new branch. It could be then 9.x or 10.y. I would then - but only
then - prefer the 10.y branch.

I retired my 7.4 only because of lightning strike this spring.

Robustness is my main goal here. Any change which brings only the risk
is avoided.

Irony is now that I am writing you this on a 10.0 machine. Only 10 has
had the support I needed for my new toy.

Erich
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Re: Is FreeBSD 9 Production Ready?

2012-11-24 Thread Shane Ambler


On 25/11/2012 04:06, Tim Daneliuk wrote:


But I have had essentially no problems doing in-place major rev
updates with FreeBSD thus far.  The only breakage I am worried about
now is whether the new compiler change breaks things that used to
work just fine.  For example, will my make.conf settings be properly
observed by the new tool chain?



If you want to build with clang wait for 9.1

http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=threads/165173

I have been running 9.0 built with clang for most of the year as my
desktop machine without any other issues.

As far as your make.conf goes that will depend on what you have in
there. Most gcc flags will either work or be ignored.


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Re: Is FreeBSD 9 Production Ready?


On 11/24/2012 05:58 PM, Erich Dollansky wrote:

Hi,

On Sat, 24 Nov 2012 10:38:35 -0600
Tim Daneliuk tun...@tundraware.com wrote:


I am currently running FBSD 8.3-STABLE on a production server that
provides http, dns, smtp, and so on for a small domain.  This is not
a high arrival rate environment but it does need to be rock solid
(which FBSD 4-8 have been).


why would you like to break a running system?


That's exactly what I don't want to do.



I am contemplating moving to the FBSD 9 family.  Is this branch ready


I would stay with 8.x until the end of its support and move only then
to a new branch. It could be then 9.x or 10.y. I would then - but only
then - prefer the 10.y branch.

I retired my 7.4 only because of lightning strike this spring.

Robustness is my main goal here. Any change which brings only the risk
is avoided.


I used to take this approach.  However, I discovered the pain of fixing
a configuration that jumped several major releases was way higher than
tracking them each as they became stable.  I did the 9.1-PRE upgrade today
and - once the new system was compiled and ready to be installed - had
only very minor conversion issues.

In my case, the most painful part of conversion is the mail infrastructure.  The
server in question is the domain's mail server and it has a LOT of moving
parts with custom configurations: sendmail, greylisting, mailscanner, spam
assassin, mailman, SASL ...   That is pretty much always what breaks.  Doing
smaller leaps tends to make this more tractable to control.



Tim Daneliuk tun...@tundraware.com
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Re: Is FreeBSD 9 Production Ready?


On 11/24/2012 06:16 PM, Shane Ambler wrote:

On 25/11/2012 04:06, Tim Daneliuk wrote:


But I have had essentially no problems doing in-place major rev
updates with FreeBSD thus far.  The only breakage I am worried about
now is whether the new compiler change breaks things that used to
work just fine.  For example, will my make.conf settings be properly
observed by the new tool chain?



If you want to build with clang wait for 9.1

http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=threads/165173


I plan to stay conservative and only switch to clang when it is
THE way to build everything.  i.e., When GCC is finally retired
for use in the base OS.

Tim Daneliuk tun...@tundraware.com
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Re: How to create a partition for FreeBSD 9.0?

On Sun, 2012-11-25 at 00:27 +0100, Polytropon wrote:
 I meant the really manual mode (CLI) as to be seen in
 Fig. 3-10, named Shell (that's why the confusion, sorry).
 
 http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/bsdinstall-partitioning.html

Manually Create Partitions doesn't work. The MD5sum for the ISO was ok
and the burned DVD was verified.

I did not test Shell until now and it's to late to search and read a
howto.

When startup finished I push enter  Install  keyboard: German
ISO-8859-1  hostname: freebsd  [*] doc, games, lib32, ports, src 
Guided Partitioning  Select the disk on which to install FreeBSD: ada0
 Partition (not Entire Disk) 

Continuing doesn't work, or I don't know what to do. FWIW, I'll use MBR
and if possible / only.

Regards,
Ralf

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Re: How to create a partition for FreeBSD 9.0?

On Sun, 2012-11-25 at 02:34 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
 On Sun, 2012-11-25 at 00:27 +0100, Polytropon wrote:
  I meant the really manual mode (CLI) as to be seen in
  Fig. 3-10, named Shell (that's why the confusion, sorry).

PS: Don't worry, it was clear what you wanted to say. As a newbie
regarding to this kind of partitioning, I just prefer to test the
ncurses way first.

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Re: Is FreeBSD 9 Production Ready?


On Sat, 24 Nov 2012, Tim Daneliuk wrote:


On 11/24/2012 03:48 PM, Matthew Seaman wrote:

It is not however sufficient to get you a completely upgraded system:
you will still have to re-install all of your ports.  Otherwise, as you
end up trying to upgrade ports by ones and twos over time, you'll end up
with a complete rat's nest of contradictory shared library dependencies
and programs crashing left, right and centre.


So I am discovering.  I moved the system to 9.1-PRE today with a
source compile.  After I then did a make remove-old, the system
started complaining about missing libraries.  So ... I temporarily
fixed this with appropriate /etc/libmap.conf entires.  I am now
about to do a portupgrade -aARrvf to redo the ports.  We'll see
how that goes...


portupgrade -avf is equivalent (-r and -R are redundant with -a). 
Including -c helps to get the config screens out of the way up front.

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Re: Is FreeBSD 9 Production Ready?

2012-11-24 Thread Eric S Pulley



--On November 24, 2012 10:38:35 AM -0600 Tim Daneliuk 
tun...@tundraware.com wrote:



I am currently running FBSD 8.3-STABLE on a production server that
provides http, dns, smtp, and so on for a small domain.  This is not
a high arrival rate environment but it does need to be rock solid (which
FBSD 4-8 have been).

I am contemplating moving to the FBSD 9 family.  Is this branch ready
for production or should I wait a while yet?  I ordinarily avoid x.0
releases of anything and I know 9.1 is soon going to be with us.

In a related note, if I do move to 9.x is it sufficient to grab the
appropriate source tree and compile world and kernels, install and
reboot?  That is, it is reasonable to do an in-place upgrade.  This
is how I migrated 4-6, 6-7, and 7-8 and I am hoping this is till
the case since a complete reinstall is painful and slow.



I upgraded to 9 on a server that is basically doing what yours is. I used 
freebsd-update and it did all the right things no problems. Been running on 
9 without any issues pretty much since it came out. However, the only thing 
remotely fancy I'm doing is running root ZFS and link aggregation on my 
NIC's.



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