Re: SPAM: Score 3.3: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not...
Jeremy C. Reed wrote: (Nevertheless, it is not time to advertise FreeBSD as a desktop alternative.) This is not so much about FreeBSD, as the Unix+X11 combination in general. It does not provide the fully integrated system the typical end-user, coming from a Windows or Mac perspective, expects. That it nevertheless works well enough for persons with a technical or academical background, and those who invest some time, is not questioned. What the Unix+X11 combination in its current blend doesn't provide is the one-size-fits-all solution that Windows and the Mac try to achieve. That's both a good and a bad thing, imho. There are, of course, situations where Unix is being used as a desktop successfully. Think about Unix workstations at universities and larger companies, which have been prevalent for the last 15 years. Or the city administration of Munich, which intends to move its Windows desktops to a Linux/KDE-based installation. What these applications have in common is, that the desktop user is normally different from the person maintaining the installation. This is different from a SOHO setup, where both are normally identical. mkb. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: SPAM: Score 3.3: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not...
Matthias Buelow writes: This is not so much about FreeBSD, as the Unix+X11 combination in general. It does not provide the fully integrated system the typical end-user, coming from a Windows or Mac perspective, expects. That it nevertheless works well enough for persons with a technical or academical background, and those who invest some time, is not questioned. What the Unix+X11 combination in its current blend doesn't provide is the one-size-fits-all solution that Windows and the Mac try to achieve. That's both a good and a bad thing, imho. Yes. Perhaps I've not been clear, but the problems with FreeBSD as a desktop are shared by virtually all versions of UNIX, since they all create their GUIs in the same way. Mac OS X is a notable exception. There are, of course, situations where Unix is being used as a desktop successfully. Think about Unix workstations at universities and larger companies, which have been prevalent for the last 15 years. UNIX + GUI seem to work much better when they are used as what they are: UNIX systems with GUIs. When someone tries to make them look and behave like Windows, problems begin. Highly stable GUIs have existed on UNIX workstations for years, but they barely resemble Windows. Or the city administration of Munich, which intends to move its Windows desktops to a Linux/KDE-based installation. Why not just burn taxpayer euro in a bonfire? It would have the same end result and it would be faster. What these applications have in common is, that the desktop user is normally different from the person maintaining the installation. This is different from a SOHO setup, where both are normally identical. True, but I think other key differences are the discipline used in creating the GUI and the end result being targetet. Native UNIX GUIs are carefully written and do attempt to imitate any other OS. More recent desktop GUIs are crazy hodgepodges hastily written that amount to wannabe versions of Windows. There are a lot of people who desperately want to see UNIX as a replacement for Windows, and their desperation blinds them to the futility of their efforts and to the endless glaring defects of their attempts to achieve this. But the inadequacy of what they produce is very obvious to anyone without an emotional investment in hating Microsoft, and so these Windows clones will never gain much currency as the situation stands now. -- Anthony ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: SPAM: Score 3.3: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not...
Anthony Atkielski wrote: Or the city administration of Munich, which intends to move its Windows desktops to a Linux/KDE-based installation. Why not just burn taxpayer euro in a bonfire? It would have the same end result and it would be faster. Well, if you just run a set of 1-3 applications, and don't do anything else with the computer, there shouldn't be much of a difference. Think, for example, of the software that the clerks feed applications for driving licenses or passports into. That's (most likely) one do-it-all software running on the terminal-like PC all the time. Or a secretary, using some kind of office software (I don't know if they consider OpenOffice). Apart from making a political statement, the advantage is of course being independent from the Microsoft update cycle. Of course whether it's cheaper having the inhouse staff or a consulting firm update the Linux desktops needs to be evaluated first (and I'm sure they did). Another point, as far as I got it, was security, i.e., higher resilience towards worms and viruses. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: SPAM: Score 3.3: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not...
Anthony Atkielski wrote: Jeremy C. Reed writes: Being able to run a desktop for over a hundred days without reboots, without annoying continuous software failures, without worry of malicious (or anoying) pop-ups, virus, and malware, and being able to quickly do my desktop work is a good reason to use an open source Unix desktop. Except that Windows does all of this. My XP and NT desktops will run until I reboot them, which often means months at a time. If I chose not to reboot them, they'd run for years (the NT code base is extremely stable). I haven't experienced any annoying software failures under Windows. I have no problems with pop-ups, viruses, or malware. The only virus I've ever experienced was an Apache virus on my FreeBSD machine, ironically, and that was because the Apache server had a bug and the server _must_ service ports that are open to the world (there's nothing I can do to protect the system in such a case). Windows viruses and other problems can be avoided by firewalls and safe computing; it isn't even necessary to run an antivirus product. Time between boots is similar for both the Windows and FreeBSD systems, but neither system actually requires a boot at such frequent intervals. I usually boot FreeBSD when I have to power-cycle the hardware, or when I make a change that is exposed at boot time and I wish to make sure that the system actually will boot (such as a change in rc.conf). A common reason for booting is installation of software on both platforms; FreeBSD doesn't require it, but I boot anyway to make sure nothing in the boot process has been misconfigured, and many Windows applications insist on it, even though the OS itself does not. I'm guessing *you* are atypical in this. Most of our Windows boxes are rather stable. But our FreeBSD ones are simply rocks. It's true I can't just pointy clicky them into a usable configuration, but the software runs for as long as we wish. That is in a rather direct opposition to the majority of our on-site service calls for clients, which generally have to do with troubleshooting software issues on Windows boxes related to annoying software failures, and pop-ups, viruses, and malware. And reboots with Win XP are probably about 1/3 lower (guesstimate) than they were with the 9x products. But, there were *many* back then. The other day we gained a client who had been sold a rather new M$ Server product. It was set up to be their PDC, but there were some issues. One of these issues was that the NIC it was connected to the network with was set to use DHCP ! We reconfigured the interface, and, true to form, You must reboot your computer for the changes to take effect. I would argue that you are not Joe User, because this is not necessarily his experience, even with XP. Nor Jane User either. Newer Microsoft products are more stable than their predecessors, but there is no comparison between them and the stability and security of FreeBSD in our experience. The fact that Windows XP is more stable than their previous products is known, but another chunk of evidence indicates that issues with that OS, as Jeremy described, are still well in evidence. There are thousands upon thousands times thousands of relatively clueless users out there who do have problems with Windows whether they know it or not. For my office, a FreeBSD desktop makes a good bit of sense. I don't have major software issues with FreeBSD, and my unit cost is a hundred bucks or more less than a Windows desktop. But, in that, *we* are atypical, I suppose. Kevin Kinsey DaleCo, S.P. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: SPAM: Score 3.3: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not...
Matthias Buelow writes: Well, if you just run a set of 1-3 applications, and don't do anything else with the computer, there shouldn't be much of a difference. True, if those applications run identically on both platforms. Apart from making a political statement, the advantage is of course being independent from the Microsoft update cycle. The disadvantage is that you need orders of magnitude more technical expertise in-house to support the OS. A serious problem will arise if the city wants to install a new application and it runs only on Windows. Another point, as far as I got it, was security, i.e., higher resilience towards worms and viruses. Except that this isn't the case. Most of the stuff I see on bugtraq these days references versions of UNIX, particularly Linux. UNIX has traditionally been a less tempting target, but it is not a less vulnerable target. -- Anthony ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: SPAM: Score 3.3: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not...
Kevin Kinsey writes: I'm guessing *you* are atypical in this. I know that I am not. About 95% of all problems with Windows machines are experienced by about 5% of the user base. The rest of the world has no problems. Most of our Windows boxes are rather stable. But our FreeBSD ones are simply rocks. It's true I can't just pointy clicky them into a usable configuration, but the software runs for as long as we wish. All of my machines are rock stable, both FreeBSD and Windows. FreeBSD might win over the long run, but when both systems will run for years, the winner isn't that important. That is in a rather direct opposition to the majority of our on-site service calls for clients, which generally have to do with troubleshooting software issues on Windows boxes related to annoying software failures, and pop-ups, viruses, and malware. User errors, in other words. There are thousands upon thousands times thousands of relatively clueless users out there who do have problems with Windows whether they know it or not. They would have the same problems with FreeBSD, or with any other OS. For my office, a FreeBSD desktop makes a good bit of sense. I don't have major software issues with FreeBSD, and my unit cost is a hundred bucks or more less than a Windows desktop. I'd use FreeBSD on my desktop if I could, but I can't. I'd love to be able to save 400 in license fees per machine and have all the source code. -- Anthony ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: SPAM: Score 3.3: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not...
Jerry McAllister wrote: Matthias Buelow writes: And your point is..? I can see that FreeBSD marketing has a long way to go. To where?FreeBSD is not marketed in any particular way - on purpose. No one wants to do it, so no one will do it. jerry I want to, and frequently do, market FreeBSD. I can tell you that the website and the community is not much help when trying to sell FreeBSD to the un-enlightened. When trying to sell it in commercial companies boardrooms, I make damn sure not to mention Beastie and usually never even show them the official webpage. -- R ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: SPAM: Score 3.3: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not...
From: Anthony Atkielski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Because FreeBSD is a server, not a desktop. Agree and disagree. While FreeBSD is well suited for the server, it's also well suited for the desktop. That doesn't mean that we should be stressing the desktop to those shopping for servers, instead it means that we shouldn't be telling those shopping for desktops to go use Linux instead. How many business will be running Linux on the desktop but FreeBSD on the server? None! Currently Windows rules the desktop world, even for diehard Unix shops. But that will not last forever. We need to start thinking about the desktop today. We need to stop the official discouragement of desktop FreeBSD. So how about a www.serverfreebsd.com and a www.desktopfreebsd.com? You get the best of both worlds that way. David ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: SPAM: Score 3.3: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not...
On Feb 11, 2005, at 4:00 PM, Johnson David wrote: From: Anthony Atkielski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Because FreeBSD is a server, not a desktop. Agree and disagree. While FreeBSD is well suited for the server, it's also well suited for the desktop. Anthony had the same misguided opinion in the Apache Users mailing list. That doesn't mean that we should be stressing the desktop to those shopping for servers, instead it means that we shouldn't be telling those shopping for desktops to go use Linux instead. How many business will be running Linux on the desktop but FreeBSD on the server? None! But you will find lots of people with FreeBSD on the Server and OS X on the desktop! Not to say that you cannot run a FreeBSD desktop. And any efforts to make that easier are applauded. I used to run Linux on the desktop[1] and FreeBSD on the server. Setting up Linux as a desktop at the time (1990-2000 timeframe) was so much easier. I don't know about now, but with Linux (SuSE is what I used back then) it was as easy as setting up Windows. Chad [1] and Windows 2000 :-( and Mac OS 8/9 and Rhapsody and the beta for OS X ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: SPAM: Score 3.3: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not...
Johnson David wrote: Currently Windows rules the desktop world, even for diehard Unix shops. But that will not last forever. We need to start thinking about the desktop today. We need to stop the official discouragement of desktop FreeBSD. MacOS X is the Desktop BSD. It is available today, and it works better than anything else at being a desktop. Considering the sorry state of integrated desktops on Unix today (i.e., Gnome and KDE) and compare it with Windows, do you really think that will convince any Windows user? Windows really is bad enough already, why should they change for a much worse user interface. For those of us that have been using X11 with various window managers for the last decade or more, that isn't an issue -- we're used to a different way of working, but those Windows types expect quite different things, which they'll only find in MacOS, outside of Windows, for the forseeable future. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: SPAM: Score 3.3: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not...
Matthias Buelow writes: MacOS X is the Desktop BSD. It is available today, and it works better than anything else at being a desktop. Considering the sorry state of integrated desktops on Unix today (i.e., Gnome and KDE) and compare it with Windows, do you really think that will convince any Windows user? Windows really is bad enough already, why should they change for a much worse user interface. For those of us that have been using X11 with various window managers for the last decade or more, that isn't an issue -- we're used to a different way of working, but those Windows types expect quite different things, which they'll only find in MacOS, outside of Windows, for the forseeable future. Yes! So it's best to forget the battles one has lost, and concentrate on the battles that one can still win. -- Anthony ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: SPAM: Score 3.3: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not...
On Sat, 2005-02-12 at 03:14 +0100, Matthias Buelow wrote: Johnson David wrote: Currently Windows rules the desktop world, even for diehard Unix shops. But that will not last forever. We need to start thinking about the desktop today. We need to stop the official discouragement of desktop FreeBSD. MacOS X is the Desktop BSD. It is available today, and it works better than anything else at being a desktop. Does it work on my intel hardware? Robert ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: SPAM: Score 3.3: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not...
On Feb 11, 2005, at 8:32 PM, Robert Marella wrote: On Sat, 2005-02-12 at 03:14 +0100, Matthias Buelow wrote: Johnson David wrote: Currently Windows rules the desktop world, even for diehard Unix shops. But that will not last forever. We need to start thinking about the desktop today. We need to stop the official discouragement of desktop FreeBSD. MacOS X is the Desktop BSD. It is available today, and it works better than anything else at being a desktop. Does it work on my intel hardware? Not in public it doesn't. That is irrelevant to the discussion. FreeBSD does not work on my PPC HW either. Chad ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: SPAM: Score 3.3: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not...
Robert Marella wrote: MacOS X is the Desktop BSD. It is available today, and it works better than anything else at being a desktop. Does it work on my intel hardware? And your point is..? mkb. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: SPAM: Score 3.3: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not...
Robert Marella writes: Does it work on my intel hardware? Two basic responses, one right, one wrong: Wrong: Of course it does, you idiot! Don't you know anything about hardware? Right: FreeBSD easily supports the full range of Intel microprocessors and virtually all Intel motherboards and chipsets, directly out of the box. It also takes advantage of most Intel-specific hardware enhancements where applicable, for better performance. -- Anthony ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: SPAM: Score 3.3: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not...
Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes: Not in public it doesn't. That is irrelevant to the discussion. FreeBSD does not work on my PPC HW either. Score: 12 out of 100. The meeting is over, and a security guard will show you the door. Try again. -- Anthony ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: SPAM: Score 3.3: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not...
Matthias Buelow writes: And your point is..? I can see that FreeBSD marketing has a long way to go. -- Anthony ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: SPAM: Score 3.3: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not...
On Sat, 2005-02-12 at 04:34 +0100, Matthias Buelow wrote: Robert Marella wrote: MacOS X is the Desktop BSD. It is available today, and it works better than anything else at being a desktop. Does it work on my intel hardware? And your point is..? mkb. Market share! What percentage of the desktops are intel/AMD based? If MacOS X is _THE_ Desktop BSD, can it be ported/converted to the majority of the installed desktops? If not, can someone/some_company/some_group do to intel/AMD desktops what Apple did to MacOS X? I know the driving force of FreeBSD is toward servers. Apple was able to make it a desktop OS. I like it as a desktop OS on my intel hardware but I have a lot of time to spend. Even with the time, I still can't get everything to work as I would like. If it was a better desktop OS more people would notice it and would recognize the name FreeBSD. When I tell most people that I do not use MS Windows, I get a blank look and then they ask what I do use. I usually say I use a form of UNIX called FreeBSD. The first thing out of their mouth is, Oh, Linux!. I then go on to tell them about FreeBSD as their eyes glaze over. That's my point! Robert ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: SPAM: Score 3.3: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not...
On Feb 11, 2005, at 8:49 PM, Anthony Atkielski wrote: Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes: Not in public it doesn't. That is irrelevant to the discussion. FreeBSD does not work on my PPC HW either. Score: 12 out of 100. The meeting is over, and a security guard will show you the door. Try again. Dude, get a life. This is not a formal presentation to an IT department. This is an unofficial, freely used by all, who are all volunteers, mail list. I wish the security guard would show you to the door. Chad ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: SPAM: Score 3.3: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not...
On Sat, 12 Feb 2005, Anthony Atkielski wrote: That depends on the OS to which you compare it. In isolation, FreeBSD works on the desktop, just as most UNIX operating systems do, but in comparison to Windows or the Mac, it's a rather sorry excuse for a desktop. But no OS can do it all, no matter how religiously its proponents might believe otherwise. I guess this depends on how desktop is defined. Being able to run a desktop for over a hundred days without reboots, without annoying continuous software failures, without worry of malicious (or anoying) pop-ups, virus, and malware, and being able to quickly do my desktop work is a good reason to use an open source Unix desktop. I guess Mac OS X can meet these goals. But can't meet the need to be able to use a good functional desktop on old, out-dated, slow hardware. (Nevertheless, it is not time to advertise FreeBSD as a desktop alternative.) Jeremy C. Reed BSD News, BSD tutorials, BSD links http://www.bsdnewsletter.com/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: SPAM: Score 3.3: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not...
Matthias Buelow writes: And your point is..? I can see that FreeBSD marketing has a long way to go. To where?FreeBSD is not marketed in any particular way - on purpose. No one wants to do it, so no one will do it. jerry -- Anthony ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: SPAM: Score 2.5: Re: FreeBSD logo design competition
--- Johnson David [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: stheg olloydson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Now as to the need to change the logo, to quote the announcement, This character sometimes treated with misinterpreted in the religious and cultural context. Over the years, the only complaints I have ever heard have come from America's Taliban. Leaving aside the question of whether or not the complainers are in a position to make any sort of IT decision, one must ask what is their motivation for complaining. They are simply trying to force their religious orthodoxy on others. These are the same people trying to eliminate the barrier between state and church to make the United States into a theocratic country. Therefore, these complaints can be categorized as coming from an irrational minority that should be ignored. Please keep your personal politics and cultural bigotry off of these lists. There is no America's Taliban, and the use of the term is used solely to incite emotions. Thinking that just because people share you views on operating systems they must also share you views on religion and foreign policy is sheer hubris. I realize that geeks and hackers tend to be irreligious, and Open Source a collection of global communities, but not until today have I seen such anti-Christian and anti-America bigotry in the FreeBSD community. Is this to be the new standard of discourse? If so, tell me now so I can avoid the rush in switching to another BSD. As a Christian I am not in the least offended by Beastie. But I am getting quite offended by people stereotyping my religion, nation and culture. David Johnson Well, well, well! Hit too close to home did I? I said that those complaining about the beastie belong to an irrational minority that wish to impose their religion on others. In what way is this statement bigotry or anti-Christian or anti-American? You, however, make a very revealing statement when you say, But I am getting quite offended by people stereotyping my religion, nation and culture. The operative word here is my. Why do you think that I am not a Christian American produced by the same culture as you? Is it because I have a name not typically associated with being an American? I think your assumption proves my xenophobia remark, at least in regards to you, don't you? Best regards, Stheg Olloydson __ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: SPAM: Score 2.5: Re: FreeBSD logo design competition
From: stheg olloydson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Now as to the need to change the logo, to quote the announcement, This character sometimes treated with misinterpreted in the religious and cultural context. Over the years, the only complaints I have ever heard have come from America's Taliban. Leaving aside the question of whether or not the complainers are in a position to make any sort of IT decision, one must ask what is their motivation for complaining. They are simply trying to force their religious orthodoxy on others. These are the same people trying to eliminate the barrier between state and church to make the United States into a theocratic country. Therefore, these complaints can be categorized as coming from an irrational minority that should be ignored. Please keep your personal politics and cultural bigotry off of these lists. There is no America's Taliban, and the use of the term is used solely to incite emotions. Thinking that just because people share you views on operating systems they must also share you views on religion and foreign policy is sheer hubris. I realize that geeks and hackers tend to be irreligious, and Open Source a collection of global communities, but not until today have I seen such anti-Christian and anti-America bigotry in the FreeBSD community. Is this to be the new standard of discourse? If so, tell me now so I can avoid the rush in switching to another BSD. As a Christian I am not in the least offended by Beastie. But I am getting quite offended by people stereotyping my religion, nation and culture. David Johnson ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
FreeBSD servers blacklisted for spam ... ?
http://www.dnsbl.sorbs.net/lookup.shtml?216.136.204.119 Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD servers blacklisted for spam ... ?
On Wed, Feb 02, 2005 at 07:49:11PM -0400, Marc G. Fournier wrote: http://www.dnsbl.sorbs.net/lookup.shtml?216.136.204.119 This list can't fix it, talk to postmaster. Kris pgpJ2SeMTSu5x.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: FreeBSD servers blacklisted for spam ... ?
Kris Kennaway wrote: On Wed, Feb 02, 2005 at 07:49:11PM -0400, Marc G. Fournier wrote: http://www.dnsbl.sorbs.net/lookup.shtml?216.136.204.119 This list can't fix it, talk to postmaster. I posted the same in previous thread, then mailed postmaster: =snip= But it may cause a lot of bounces and unwanted disabling of subscribers if the server continues to be listed. Right; well, it sounds to me as if using SORBS might plausibly qualify as self-inflicted foot-shooting. Note that an alternative could be to arrange for bypassing or whitelisting certain sources of wanted mail. :-} =snip= Cheers, Erik -- Ph: +34.666334818 web: http://www.locolomo.org S/MIME Certificate: http://www.locolomo.org/crt/2004071206.crt Subject ID: A9:76:7A:ED:06:95:2B:8D:48:97:CE:F2:3F:42:C8:F2:22:DE:4C:B9 Fingerprint: 4A:E8:63:38:46:F6:9A:5D:B4:DC:29:41:3F:62:D3:0A:73:25:67:C2 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [SPAM] Re: Transferring directories over a network
At 12:44 PM 12/22/04, you wrote: On Wed, Dec 22, 2004 at 12:24:59PM +0700, Roger Merritt wrote: I hope this isn't too common a question. I couldn't devise a good set of keywords to use Google. I just received a new machine to replace my ancient server/gateway. I decided the best way to go was to install FreeBSD 5.3, and transfer user directories and config files using ssh over the intranet. Of course, I overlooked the fact that you can't login to root. Here's a thought: if it's only going to be in your internal network, why not enable PermitRootLogin under sshd until you get the files across. Aha! That's it. I'd better learn more about configuring sshd while I'm at it. Thank you! -- Roger -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.6.3 - Release Date: 12/21/04 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: are you spam?
On Tue, Dec 14, 2004 at 08:40:29PM +0900, Koichi Mori wrote: Dear Administrator, you are always SPAM by my spam filter. please check this URL http://spf.pobox.com/why.html?sender=freebsd.orgip=216.136.204.18 Please contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you believe there is a problem with mail delivery. Kris pgpaqSTlJnrcl.pgp Description: PGP signature
Sendmail Anti-Spam
I want to add an anti-spam solution to sendmail. I was wondering what solution you chose for server side anti-spam and how well it works for you. -- Sean Murphy Network Technician California Institute of the Arts [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sendmail Anti-Spam
Sean Murphy wrote:
I want to add an anti-spam solution to sendmail. I was wondering what
solution you chose for server side anti-spam and how well it works for
you.
A few months ago I tried amavisd-new in the Sendmail Dual configuration
with clamav for antivirus and SpamAssassin for spam.
I tried and tried and fed it lots of test spam ('cause quite a bit of it was
passing.)
My next attempt will be relaydelay ---
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/articles/relaydelay/
--- can't say as I've figured it out yet. If you're a Sendmail Guru,
there's
quite a bit of stuff to help within Sendmail itself, from what I can
tell ---
but I'm not.
FBSD has switched to Postfix for their server(s). Bill Moran recently
gave a talk to a UG in Ohio on the subject, using Postfix ... he has
slides up somewhere on potentialtech.com
HTH,
Kevin Kinsey
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Re: Sendmail Anti-Spam
On Fri, 29 Oct 2004, Sean Murphy wrote: I want to add an anti-spam solution to sendmail. I was wondering what solution you chose for server side anti-spam and how well it works for you. milter-greylist in combination with clamav-milter, a few select DNSBLs, and entries in access.db for the worst offenders works wonders. Here's an article I wrote on it a while back: http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/greylist.pdf This article doesn't cover the latter two concepts, and it's only a PDF for now. If time permits, I'll expand it and generate text and HTML versions. (Now that I think about it, the article uses the clamav-devel port, which should be replaced with the plain clamav port now.) -Warren Block * Rapid City, South Dakota USA ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [SPAM] Re: 5.3-STABLE
On Sun, Oct 17, 2004 at 11:19:31PM -0400, Matt Juszczak wrote: Is it bad for a production server to maintain 5.3 stable vs. release? See the handbook for discussion of this issue. Kris pgprWuPpeU4oY.pgp Description: PGP signature
RE: [SPAM] freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 70, Issue 5
Can you give more info, like what operating systems are you ruining on your hard drive and i assume you have 2 primary fat partitions right? so yo u have to have access to make a third one one thing you have too keep in mind is when it asks to install FreeBSD boot manager, say yes, sorry can't help more as i need more info Message: 34 Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 08:29:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Sikander Abbasi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: problem installing freebsd To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Dear Sir, I am new to freebsd i am having problem installing freebsd, when i tried to install it say max one fat partition, i have 2 fat primary partition and keep 5 gd 1 partition for installing freebsd. plz help me in this with regards sikander Abbasi ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Killing spam on FreeBSD
I recently started rejecting about 99.9% of incoming spam *without* using challenge-response or other load-increasing methods. For details, read: http://subwiki.honeypot.net/cgi-bin/view/Freebsd/FilterMailWithPostFix In a nutshell, before implementing this plan, I was receiving about 600 emails and 50 spams per day. Afterward, I'm receiving about 600 emails and 1 spam (yes, one) per day. In other words, I don't seem to be having any false positives at all. -- Kirk Strauser pgpJZbmXQImV1.pgp Description: signature
Re: Anti-Spam app for sendmail
On Tue, Jun 08, 2004 at 09:40:28PM -0400, Thomas Farrell wrote: First your going to need a licensed version of sometype of antivirus application you can always get freeB's but they will eventually run out. some of the AV for BSD are panda, kaspersky,. macfee, and Sophos fprot . Both Fprot Sophos have evaluation versions both are easy to install and use. If you don't need commercial support, ClamAV (http://www.clamav.net) works great. I used it for my servers at work and home, and it's fast and reliable. -- -- Skylar Thompson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -- http://www.cs.earlham.edu/~skylar/ pgpqoN1R44EYJ.pgp Description: PGP signature
Anti-Spam app for sendmail
Any comments on a good anti-spam app that works with sendmail for a mail server? -- Best regards, Chris ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Anti-Spam app for sendmail
On Tuesday 08 June 2004 10:35, Chris wrote: Any comments on a good anti-spam app that works with sendmail for a mail server? Yeah, try SpamAssassin. I've been using it since January, and have almost zero SPAM delivered to my inbox now. I think in all that time it has only had one false positive (my mom sending email as HTML, from word.) HTH -- Keep your pecker hard and your powder dry, and the world WILL turn. pgpn5ddRBnYNr.pgp Description: signature
Re: Anti-Spam app for sendmail
Chris wrote: Any comments on a good anti-spam app that works with sendmail for a mail server? Yes. You can have a look at messagewall its in the ports. www.messagewall.org Been using it for the past year now and it's works just fine. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Anti-Spam app for sendmail
On Tue, Jun 08, 2004 at 10:35:45AM -0500, Chris wrote: Any comments on a good anti-spam app that works with sendmail for a mail server? I'd highly recommend MailScanner (http://www.mailscanner.info) combined with SpamAssassin (http://www.spamassassin.org) and ClamAv (http://www.clamav.net/). The great thing about MailScanner is that it doesn't use milters, so you don't have to wait for a program to fire up and risk sending back temporary failure error codes. As long as your disks can keep up and you don't run out of queue space, it doesn't matter how long MailScanner takes to process messages. It'll also process messages in blocks, which makes things a lot more efficient if you're processing large amounts of mail. -- -- Skylar Thompson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -- http://www.cs.earlham.edu/~skylar/ pgpf9n4PBhuk2.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Anti-Spam app for sendmail
Yes Mailscanner is good but you may have to jump through hoops to get it to work with BSD . No matter what OS you will still need to install a bunch of perl modules for mailscanner spamassasin. If thats ok with you then they are pretty good. First your going to need a licensed version of sometype of antivirus application you can always get freeB's but they will eventually run out. some of the AV for BSD are panda, kaspersky,. macfee, and Sophos fprot . Both Fprot Sophos have evaluation versions both are easy to install and use. Your next choice is what mailscanner application to use. I have setup mailscanner with the fprot sweep succesfully on 4.8 could not get it to work on 5.0 . I did not even try spamassasin because of all the cpan mods needed. I am using mailmonitor sophos sweep works great I can block files or file extentions types, block subject content, quarantine infected attachments, attempt to clean them. You can go to sophos.com and fill out evalutaions for both mailmonitor sweep . One thing mailmonitor needs to be run in linux compatibility mode and you need to install the linux versions of sweep mailmonitor . They actually make software packages for BSD. unfourtunatly mailmonitor is targeted to linux ,solaris Windoz . PS I had rambled on about sophos mailmonitor in another bsd question here is the link and here is a response from some guy in Germany or something . I guess he is using some other mailscanning software check it out. http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg65212.html http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg65240.html I wonder who should ever need mailmonitor in FreeBSD Here we are running Sophos on several FBSD machines and we use amavis to make it scan and filter our mails. That works perfectly and so I see no need for mailmonitor at all. - Original Message - From: Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FreeBSD Questions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 11:35 AM Subject: Anti-Spam app for sendmail Any comments on a good anti-spam app that works with sendmail for a mail server? -- Best regards, Chris ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Anti-Spam app for sendmail
On Tue, 8 Jun 2004, Thomas Farrell wrote: cpan mods needed. I am using mailmonitor sophos sweep works great I can block files or file extentions types, block subject content, quarantine infected attachments, attempt to clean them. You can go to sophos.com and fill out evalutaions for both mailmonitor sweep . One thing mailmonitor needs to be run in linux compatibility mode and you need to install the linux versions of sweep mailmonitor . They actually make software packages for BSD. unfourtunatly mailmonitor is targeted to linux ,solaris Windoz . I'm using mimedefang+clamav for virus/malware. clamav is an open source antivirus which works great for me For spam, I use spamassasin called from within mimedefang. Fer ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
SPAM
I received spam from these addresses and they got my name from the mailing list. Is there a way to report these names? (subject came in from [kde-freebsd]) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Marion N. Castle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank you, Joshua Lewis ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: SPAM
Hi Joshua, On Sun, 6 Jun 2004 17:41:32 -0700 (PDT) UTC (6/6/2004, 7:41 PM -0500 UTC my time), Joshua Lewis wrote: J I received spam from these addresses and they got my name from the mailing J list. Is there a way to report these names? J [EMAIL PROTECTED] J Marion N. Castle [EMAIL PROTECTED] These email addresses are totally meaningless as they are made up / forged. In fact, most spammers forge all parts of an email, except the last connecting IP address in the headers (the one your ISP shows connection to). Sorry, it would do no good as you have presented this currently. You must trace the last IP address to whom owns that address, and send the full email, including headers to their abuse dept. I can guarantee it will not be iijlab.net or cidr.jp g FWIW, most email lists are harvested by spammers for mail addresses.. just a fact of life. -- Gary ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
**heads-up** : likely spam using [name]@freebsd.org
http://people.freebsd.org/~yar/ is a valid URL, because yar is indeed a committer. this said, something (read: mailer-daemon error) tells me that yar's e-mail below (bottom) is not quite right. haven't bothered to open the attachement and don't really see the point, given the virus comment in the bounce reply. perhaps this is already old hat. perhaps it is just my mistake. nevertheless, i thought that you might appreciate a heads-up that some spammer(s) may now be highjacking freebsd.org addresses in an attempt to get us to open their attachments. cheers, epi - Begin forwarded message: Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 12:49:45 -0400 (EDT) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mail Delivery System) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender This is the Allstream MTA program at host outbox.allstream.net. I'm sorry to have to inform you that the message returned below could not be delivered to one or more destinations. For further assistance, please send mail to postmaster If you do so, please include this problem report. You can delete your own text from the message returned below. The Allstream MTA program [EMAIL PROTECTED]: host mx1.freebsd.org[216.136.204.125] said: 550 Error: Please keep viruses to yourself (in reply to end of DATA command) - Begin forwarded message: Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 12:49:24 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: is someone spamming with your e-mail address or... hello yar, i am not sure what this message is all about. 1) did i just misunderstand? 2) was this intended for someone else? or 3) is someone sending spam and faking that you are the sender? cheers, epi - Begin forwarded message: Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 18:02:24 +0800 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: unknown what does it mean? [product.zip application/x-zip-compressed (29918 bytes)] ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: **heads-up** : likely spam using [name]@freebsd.org
Dude, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://people.freebsd.org/~yar/ is a valid URL, because yar is indeed a committer. this said, something (read: mailer-daemon error) tells me that yar's e-mail below (bottom) is not quite right. haven't bothered to open the attachement and don't really see the point, given the virus comment in the bounce reply. perhaps this is already old hat. perhaps it is just my mistake. nevertheless, i thought that you might appreciate a heads-up that some spammer(s) may now be highjacking freebsd.org addresses in an attempt to get us to open their attachments. cheers, epi This happends all the time, with @freebsd.org addresses, @symantec.com adresses, with @cisco.com adresses , even with @elvandar.org adresses, more strict, my personal adres is used often... Virusses are getting other's userinformation now, and use that to try and infect people like us. Since some of us (me oa) know that this is a virus, we don't open it. But some people might get misled by it. The goal of the writer had been achieved then. Try to delete them and update your virusscanner regularly and you would be fine ;-) -- Kind regards, Remko Lodder Elvandar.org/DSINet.org www.mostly-harmless.nl Dutch community for helping newcomers on the hackerscene ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: **heads-up** : likely spam using [name]@freebsd.org
On Tue, May 18, 2004 at 07:28:59PM +0200, Remko Lodder typed: Try to delete them and update your virusscanner regularly and you would be fine ;-) Or stick to FBSD and you won't have to run any AV scanner at all :) ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: spam spoofers
On Tuesday, 11 May 2004 at 9:34:25 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am getting hundreds of spam with return addresses on it from MY server.. the ip addresses are different and they didn't originate from my server . now I am getting notices from AOL and other they are going to stop excepting mail from me...while this is no loss to me, I see a problem here... is there anyway to stop this, anyone to callanything to do? Spam's a universal problem, of course, and it'll be a while before the legislators catch up, though things are gradually happening. This particular issue is forgery, of course; I don't have much hope, but I have an AUP which attaches a charge of $25,000 per use of our name. I don't see a bat's chance in hell of seeing that money at the moment, but who knows what happens in the future? See http://www.lemis.com/aup.html for more details. Another thing you can try is SPF, the sender policy framework. It's a DNS extension that says where mail from you can come from. See http://spf.pobox.com/ for more details. AOL is using it: aol.com text = v=spf1 ip4:152.163.225.0/24 ip4:205.188.139.0/24 ip4:205.188.144.0/24 ip4:205.188.156.0/23 ip4:205.188.159.0/24 ip4:64.12.136.0/23 ip4:64.12.138.0/24 ptr:mx.aol.com ?all I suspect that they would not block you if you have SPF DNS records. I also have a woman getting mail from a sick person with the address and return the same as her address. the police, FBI, are no help.. That may change. Greg -- When replying to this message, please copy the original recipients. If you don't, I may ignore the reply or reply to the original recipients. For more information, see http://www.lemis.com/questions.html Note: I discard all HTML mail unseen. Finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP public key. See complete headers for address and phone numbers. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: spam spoofers
Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: I also have a woman getting mail from a sick person with the address and return the same as her address. the police, FBI, are no help.. That may change. You probably know this already, but Received headers are your friend. PWR. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
spam spoofers
I am getting hundreds of spam with return addresses on it from MY server.. the ip addresses are different and they didn't originate from my server . now I am getting notices from AOL and other they are going to stop excepting mail from me...while this is no loss to me, I see a problem here... is there anyway to stop this, anyone to callanything to do? I also have a woman getting mail from a sick person with the address and return the same as her address. the police, FBI, are no help.. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: spam spoofers
On Tue, May 11, 2004 at 09:34:25AM -0700 or thereabouts, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am getting hundreds of spam with return addresses on it from MY server.. the ip addresses are different and they didn't originate from my server . now I am getting notices from AOL and other they are going to stop excepting mail from me...while this is no loss to me, I see a problem here... is there anyway to stop this, anyone to callanything to do? you neglected to add basic info, as... do you run your own mail server, or do you go through your ISP? In any event, if they did not originate from your computer/server, you are the victim of a joe-job, google for it. There is nothing really you can do, except to notify the ISPs IP addresses where the spam is originating from.. I also have a woman getting mail from a sick person with the address and return the same as her address. the police, FBI, are no help.. so, give her a new email address, and cancel the old one, and notify the ISP of the IP address where the sick person is coming from. . -- Gary ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: spam spoofers
I am running my mail server. I have notified the ISP's and thanks for the term I was looking for joe-job -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Gary Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 10:00 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Freebsd-Questions Subject: Re: spam spoofers On Tue, May 11, 2004 at 09:34:25AM -0700 or thereabouts, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am getting hundreds of spam with return addresses on it from MY server.. the ip addresses are different and they didn't originate from my server . now I am getting notices from AOL and other they are going to stop excepting mail from me...while this is no loss to me, I see a problem here... is there anyway to stop this, anyone to callanything to do? you neglected to add basic info, as... do you run your own mail server, or do you go through your ISP? In any event, if they did not originate from your computer/server, you are the victim of a joe-job, google for it. There is nothing really you can do, except to notify the ISPs IP addresses where the spam is originating from.. I also have a woman getting mail from a sick person with the address and return the same as her address. the police, FBI, are no help.. so, give her a new email address, and cancel the old one, and notify the ISP of the IP address where the sick person is coming from. . -- Gary ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: fetchmail and spam assassin
dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Does anyone have fetchmail retrieving mail from an ISP account then sending it through spamassassin/an MTA junk mail filter? I've got an account that is being spammed and i'd like to set this up, but although i can retrieve the mail via fetchmail, i can not get it to go through postfix which is running on the same box and which has spamassassin and some other anti-uce filters in place. The typical configuration of fetchmail just feeds the mail back into the local MTA for delivery. That should take care of your situation, and is exactly what I do myself. My .fetchmailrc looks like: ### Lowell'g configuration for fetchmail ## universal # (to make it look kosher coming into port 25) set invisible # get mail for [EMAIL PROTECTED] poll mail.example.com proto pop3 username lgilbert password example ssl antispam 451 is [EMAIL PROTECTED] here Also on the subject of spamassassin a lot of junk is still getting through, is there a FreeBSD specific spam assassin configuration tutorial or howto? I don't think so. I can't imagine what would be FreeBSD-specific about any such configuration. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
fetchmail and spam assassin
Hello, Does anyone have fetchmail retrieving mail from an ISP account then sending it through spamassassin/an MTA junk mail filter? I've got an account that is being spammed and i'd like to set this up, but although i can retrieve the mail via fetchmail, i can not get it to go through postfix which is running on the same box and which has spamassassin and some other anti-uce filters in place. Also on the subject of spamassassin a lot of junk is still getting through, is there a FreeBSD specific spam assassin configuration tutorial or howto? Thanks. Dave. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: spam in an inbox.
How can I do that? Of course, I can make a program that decides where each message starts and where it ends, save it in a file and then filter it with spamassassin and with the filtered file use grep to find X-Spam-flag: YES to discard this message. I think it is too complicated... Is there an easier solution? If you can find a mailbox format converter (I'm sure there are a few but I haven't checked), you could convert it to Maildir and easily script the operation as with a Maildir each message will be a separate file. That way you don't have to do the parsing. -- / Peter Schuller, InfiDyne Technologies HB PGP userID: 0xE9758B7D or 'Peter Schuller [EMAIL PROTECTED]' Key retrieval: Send an E-Mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: http://www.scode.org ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: spam in an inbox.
On Sun, 11 Apr 2004, Peter Schuller wrote: How can I do that? Of course, I can make a program that decides where each message starts and where it ends, save it in a file and then filter it with spamassassin and with the filtered file use grep to find X-Spam-flag: YES to discard this message. I think it is too complicated... Is there an easier solution? If you can find a mailbox format converter (I'm sure there are a few but I haven't checked), you could convert it to Maildir and easily script the operation as with a Maildir each message will be a separate file. That way you don't have to do the parsing. Thank you, Peter. The problem was already solved with formail procmail. formail can process the mailbox --as you suggest-- and procmail calls spamassassin in its rules. Once the messages are classified, procmail filters spam. Thanks. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
spam in an inbox.
Hello, FreeBSD gurus! I have a system that uses procmail spamassassing to filter spam, but there is an old account of a friend of mine that had not activated its filter and received a lot of spam messages. Now, we have his inbox and about 9000 messages which are spam and messages he wants to read. Is it possible now to filter the already received messages and discard the spam from them? How can I do that? Of course, I can make a program that decides where each message starts and where it ends, save it in a file and then filter it with spamassassin and with the filtered file use grep to find X-Spam-flag: YES to discard this message. I think it is too complicated... Is there an easier solution? Thanks in advance. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: spam in an inbox.
Eduardo Viruena Silva wrote: Is it possible now to filter the already received messages and discard the spam from them? How can I do that? Hav him open the messages using an MTA which performs it's own spam filtering, such as Mozilla or Apple's Mail.app. Use that MTA to zap and delete the spam, and then he can go back to using whatever his normal MTA is... Of course, I can make a program that decides where each message starts and where it ends, save it in a file and then filter it with spamassassin and with the filtered file use grep to find X-Spam-flag: YES to discard this message. I think it is too complicated... Is there an easier solution? See above. The other approach would be to install procmail and use formail to handle the hard part of splitting the messages up, although I would expect that SpamAssassin can be fed an entire mailbox at a time instead... -- -Chuck ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: spam in an inbox.
On Sat, 10 Apr 2004, albi wrote: On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 15:03:09 -0500 (CDT) Eduardo Viruena Silva [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a system that uses procmail spamassassing to filter spam, but there is an old account of a friend of mine that had not activated its filter and received a lot of spam messages. Now, we have his inbox and about 9000 messages which are spam and messages he wants to read. Is it possible now to filter the already received messages and discard the spam from them? How can I do that? hi, take a look at the manual-page of formail, it's part of procmail afaik, a Google-search for formail filter might help HTH,GL Thanks, something like: formail -s procmail -m .procmailrc inbox did the job. Thank you, again. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
spam scanner install failed
I'm trying to Install Qmail-scanner p5-Mail-SpamAssassin Amavisd-new on my 4.8-STABLE FreeBSD mail box running qmail and courier-imap but I can't seem to find the file Time-HiRes-1.51.tar.gz from a whole bunch of ftp sites. I checked some of the sites for example ftp://ftp.is.co.za/programming/perl/CPAN/modules/by-module/Time/ ftp://ftp.chg.ru/pub/lang/perl/CPAN/modules/by-module/Time/ http://cpan.shellhung.org/modules/by-module/Time/ and saw that this file was nonexistant, only Time-HiRes-1.52.tar.gz up to Time-HiRes-1.56.tar.gz were available. Is there a way to still install these programs?? I tried installing just after doing a #cvsup -g -L 2 /etc/ports-supfile Any ideas? TIA Rommel ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: spam scanner install failed
On Thu, Mar 18, 2004 at 05:42:34PM +0800 or thereabouts, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm trying to Install Qmail-scanner p5-Mail-SpamAssassin Amavisd-new Time-HiRes-1.51.tar.gz from a whole bunch of ftp sites. I checked some of the sites for example ftp://ftp.is.co.za/programming/perl/CPAN/modules/by-module/Time/ ftp://ftp.chg.ru/pub/lang/perl/CPAN/modules/by-module/Time/ http://cpan.shellhung.org/modules/by-module/Time/ and saw that this file was nonexistant, only Time-HiRes-1.52.tar.gz up to Time-HiRes-1.56.tar.gz were available. Is there a way to still install these programs?? I tried installing just after doing a #cvsup -g -L 2 /etc/ports-supfile http://www.cpan.org/misc/cpan-faq.html#How_install_Perl_source -- Gary Your E-Mail has been returned due to insufficient voltage ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Spam? FreeBSD Install Guide Official Launch News release (fwd)
Anyone else recieve this Spam? Abuse reports filed.. -- e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] t: 1-888-327-6330 www.jvds.com - Root on your own box www.vpscolo.com - Your next hosting company -- Forwarded message -- Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 13:50:42 -0500 From: Sales [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: FreeBSD Install Guide Official Launch News release Dear FreeBSD friend During the pass 3 years I have answered your questions on the FreeBSD questions mailing list. A pattern emerged with common questions about post install configuration, Firewalling, and private LAN setup. To address this reoccurring need, I am proud to officially announce the launch of the snip ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Spam? FreeBSD Install Guide Official Launch News release (fwd)
On Thu, Mar 18, 2004 at 07:02:55PM +, Rus Foster wrote: Anyone else recieve this Spam? Yes. Abuse reports filed.. Ditto. -- Jez Hancock - System Administrator / PHP Developer http://munk.nu/ http://jez.hancock-family.com/ - Another FreeBSD Diary http://ipfwstats.sf.net/- ipfw peruser traffic logging ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: spam scanner install failed
On Thu, Mar 18, 2004 at 05:42:34PM +0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there a way to still install these programs?? I tried installing just after doing a #cvsup -g -L 2 /etc/ports-supfile Did you do a 'make index' after cvsup'ing? As p5-Time-HiRes is currently at version 1.55 in ports. Cheers, Matthew -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 26 The Paddocks Savill Way PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Marlow Tel: +44 1628 476614 Bucks., SL7 1TH UK pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Spam? FreeBSD Install Guide Official Launch News release (fwd)
* Rus Foster [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004-03-18 11:02]: Anyone else recieve this Spam? Abuse reports filed.. -- e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] t: 1-888-327-6330 www.jvds.com - Root on your own box www.vpscolo.com - Your next hosting company -- Forwarded message -- Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 13:50:42 -0500 From: Sales [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: FreeBSD Install Guide Official Launch News release Dear FreeBSD friend During the pass 3 years I have answered your questions on the FreeBSD questions mailing list. A pattern emerged with common questions about post install configuration, Firewalling, and private LAN setup. To address this reoccurring need, I am proud to officially announce the launch of the snip This lame-o (a1poweruser), I don't remember his 'name'... has spammed the list before, and likely will again. Certainly his domain should be listed on an rbl somewhere... Is it possible for a list maintainer to give this guy an ulitmatum, ie. 'stop spamming the list, or lose it...' not that that would make him stop, but would give you reason to get rid of him if he does not comply. -- Joshua We fight only when there is no other choice. We prefer the ways of peaceful contact. -- Kirk, Spectre of the Gun, stardate 4385.3 ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Spam? FreeBSD Install Guide Official Launch News release (fwd)
On Thursday 18 March 2004 01:02 pm, Rus Foster wrote: Anyone else recieve this Spam? Abuse reports filed.. Here we go again. -- Best regards, Chris ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Spam? FreeBSD Install Guide Official Launch News release (fwd)
On Thu, Mar 18, 2004 at 07:02:55PM +, Rus Foster wrote: Anyone else recieve this Spam? Abuse reports filed.. Yes, I have reported it to postmaster, and expect that he will (at least) be banned from all FreeBSD mailing lists. Spamming is no more acceptable just because the content is nominally FreeBSD-related. Kris pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
***SPAM*** possible sendmail config problem/Perl
://directory.google.com/Top/Computers/Internet/Abuse/Spam/Blacklists/
dnl Uncomment to activate Realtime Blackhole List
dnl information available at http://www.mail-abuse.com/
dnl NOTE: This is a subscription service as of July 31, 2001
dnl FEATURE(dnsbl)
dnl Alternatively, you can provide your own server and rejection message:
dnl FEATURE(dnsbl, `blackholes.mail-abuse.org', `550 Mail from
${client_addr} rejected, see http://mail-
abuse.org/cgi-bin/lookup? ${client_addr}')
dnl Dialup users should uncomment and define this appropriately
dnl define(`SMART_HOST', `your.isp.mail.server')
dnl Uncomment the first line to change the location of the default
dnl /etc/mail/local-host-names and comment out the second line.
dnl define(`confCW_FILE', `-o /etc/mail/sendmail.cw')
define(`confCW_FILE', `-o /etc/mail/local-host-names')
dnl Uncomment both of the following lines to listen on IPv6 as well as
IPv4
dnl DAEMON_OPTIONS(`Name=IPv4, Family=inet')
dnl DAEMON_OPTIONS(`Name=IPv6, Family=inet6')
define(`confBIND_OPTS', `WorkAroundBroken')
define(`confNO_RCPT_ACTION', `add-to-undisclosed')
define(`confPRIVACY_FLAGS', `authwarnings,noexpn,novrfy')
define(`confTRUSTED_USERS', `qrc')dnl
define(`MAIL_HUB', `qrc:localhost')dnl
MAILER(local)
MAILER(smtp)
MAILER_DEFINITIONS
#
### QRC Mailer definition ###
#
Mqrc, P=/home/qrc/bin/qrcmailin, F=lsDFMoq, R=20/40,
D=/home/qrc,
T=X-Qrc/X-Qrc/X-Qrc,
A=/home/qrc/bin/qrcmailin $u
end here
any ideas would help.
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***SPAM*** Score/Req: 05.00/05.00 - set two nic card's ip with dhcp method at same time
Dear Sir : I have a machine with tow nic cards. I can set them with both fixed IP ,or one fixed IP and another dynamic ip with DHCP ,but i can not set them both with dynamic IP though DHCP at same time . Would you pls tell me how to config it the best regard ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: My fault or just Spam
On Wednesday 18 February 2004 21:08, Ed Budd wrote: It's a virus (my AV calls it Worm.Gibe.F). I bet most of the list gets these occasionally. Heh, yeah, I'm getting it 3 times a day at least. Same goes for the mydoom A variant. It's quite anoying to have your mailbox flooding with these things. But then again, I'm happy to be 100% Microsoft free :) Cheers, Jorn ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: SPAM?: Re: Microsoft USB wireless mouse
Assuming you have: deviceuhci deviceohci deviceusb deviceums compiled into your kernel, can you test the mouse with any success through sysinstall - configure - mouse? Check this page for some more det's: http://www.freebsddiary.org/usb-mouse.php HTH, Christopher Hollow Chungwei Hsiung wrote: I tried to plug in the mouse b4 I start the system. It was fine. But if u want to plug in later.. I believe there should be something you need to do, but I don't know either... sorry.. newbie as well Chungwei On Wed, 2004-02-18 at 15:55, Blain M Gatterdam wrote: I recently bought a micro innovations wireless USB mouse and it worked great with my FreeBSD. It didn't work too good with windows, so I bought a Microsoft wireless USB intelimouse. No matter how many times I try to connect the mouse and the receiver, it wont work. I tried going to the peripherals and see if I could fix it, but there's no options. I'm a beginner on FreeBSD and could use any help possible, THANKS! (AMD ATHLON XP 2500+, running windows xp pro and free bsd) ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Christopher Hollow - Technical Consultant Infrastructure Technology Support Toronto, ON ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
My fault or just Spam
I've fairly recently setup a mail server to: 1) learn about email and server configurations and all that goes along with administrating it. 2) And being able to recieve loads of email from freebsd-questions without fear of restriction on any other account (i.e. loss of email that I want to save). Anyhow, within the month that I've had my server running I've been recieving numerous emails that are obviously malicious to Windows users (i.e. contain an attachment with some random-letters.exe and nonsense about a patch). In short my concern is not that me or my wife will run this, sense we don't use Windows, but whether these emails are just spam or if it is my fault. If said emails are just spam, fine. Not to say that I like spam but it gives me a reason to learn how to setup a spam filter and/or tarpit. The reason I worry that it's not just spam is that there are only 2 accounts, mine and my wifes, and she doesn't use her's except to email me and I've only used mine to setup freebsd-questions and email her. So why would I be getting spam? So then I think maybe it's my fault. What I mean by my fault is, is my machine being used to relay spam and then I am getting bounces from the poor people recieve this crap? I really would hate for this to be the case. Even if said emails are not my fault how do I assure that I am not relaying spam unbeknown to me? This is a sample header from one such email. Now I'm not too sure how to take this. Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from mail.themango.org ([unix socket]) by mail.themango.org (Cyrus v2.2.3) with LMTP; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 16:06:23 -0600 X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 Received: from centennialrd.net (unknown [196.32.150.6]) by themango.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2194450F2 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 16:06:21 -0600 (CST) Received: from qexstrg (jp [196.32.129.120]) by centennialrd.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i1HLwZHp022746; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 17:58:36 -0400 Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 17:58:35 -0400 Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Technical Bulletin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: MS User [EMAIL PROTECTED] SUBJECT: Newest Microsoft Patch Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=bicnhrvs My configuration is FreeBSD 5.2.1, Postfix + Cyrus Thanks for any help, Luke ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: My fault or just Spam
unfortunately, it's likely it's your fault for using email, hehe... at least one of the recent windows viruses steals addresses from the address books of infected machines and sends out mail to/from those addresses. It's likely that someone that had your address in their address book was infected and your email address got abused as a result. i have definitely felt the pain of that over the last month, as i'm sure many others have. i can't even avoid the pain of using windows by not using windows anymore. i have to convince everyone i know not to use windows :) aaron I've fairly recently setup a mail server to: 1) learn about email and server configurations and all that goes along with administrating it. 2) And being able to recieve loads of email from freebsd-questions without fear of restriction on any other account (i.e. loss of email that I want to save). Anyhow, within the month that I've had my server running I've been recieving numerous emails that are obviously malicious to Windows users (i.e. contain an attachment with some random-letters.exe and nonsense about a patch). In short my concern is not that me or my wife will run this, sense we don't use Windows, but whether these emails are just spam or if it is my fault. If said emails are just spam, fine. Not to say that I like spam but it gives me a reason to learn how to setup a spam filter and/or tarpit. The reason I worry that it's not just spam is that there are only 2 accounts, mine and my wifes, and she doesn't use her's except to email me and I've only used mine to setup freebsd-questions and email her. So why would I be getting spam? So then I think maybe it's my fault. What I mean by my fault is, is my machine being used to relay spam and then I am getting bounces from the poor people recieve this crap? I really would hate for this to be the case. Even if said emails are not my fault how do I assure that I am not relaying spam unbeknown to me? This is a sample header from one such email. Now I'm not too sure how to take this. Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from mail.themango.org ([unix socket]) by mail.themango.org (Cyrus v2.2.3) with LMTP; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 16:06:23 -0600 X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 Received: from centennialrd.net (unknown [196.32.150.6]) by themango.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2194450F2 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 16:06:21 -0600 (CST) Received: from qexstrg (jp [196.32.129.120]) by centennialrd.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i1HLwZHp022746; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 17:58:36 -0400 Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 17:58:35 -0400 Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Technical Bulletin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: MS User [EMAIL PROTECTED] SUBJECT: Newest Microsoft Patch Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=bicnhrvs My configuration is FreeBSD 5.2.1, Postfix + Cyrus Thanks for any help, Luke ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: My fault or just Spam
It's a virus (my AV calls it Worm.Gibe.F). I bet most of the list gets these occasionally. Some hapless windows user got infected and has you in their address book (perhaps through the outlook auto-add-addresses-to-addressbook-function applied to something you posted once on a public list??) Install Clamav from ports and set it up to interface with postfix (I use it with sendmail milter but should be similar -- check clamav site for details). Don't sweat it, man -- life as usual in the wild-and-woolly... EB On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 19:29:03 -0600 (CST) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've fairly recently setup a mail server to: 1) learn about email and server configurations and all that goes along with administrating it. 2) And being able to recieve loads of email from freebsd-questions without fear of restriction on any other account (i.e. loss of email that I want to save). Anyhow, within the month that I've had my server running I've been recieving numerous emails that are obviously malicious to Windows users(i.e. contain an attachment with some random-letters.exe and nonsense about a patch). In short my concern is not that me or my wife will run this, sense we don't use Windows, but whether these emails are just spam or if it is my fault. If said emails are just spam, fine. Not to say that I like spam but it gives me a reason to learn how to setup a spam filter and/or tarpit. The reason I worry that it's not just spam is that there are only 2 accounts, mine and my wifes, and she doesn't use her's except to email me and I've only used mine to setup freebsd-questions and email her. So why would I be getting spam? So then I think maybe it's my fault. What I mean by my fault is, is my machine being used to relay spam and then I am getting bounces from the poor people recieve this crap? I really would hate for this to be the case. Even if said emails are not my fault how do I assure that I am not relaying spam unbeknown to me? This is a sample header from one such email. Now I'm not too sure how to take this. Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from mail.themango.org ([unix socket]) by mail.themango.org (Cyrus v2.2.3) with LMTP; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 16:06:23 -0600 X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 Received: from centennialrd.net (unknown [196.32.150.6]) by themango.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2194450F2 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 16:06:21 -0600 (CST) Received: from qexstrg (jp [196.32.129.120]) by centennialrd.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i1HLwZHp022746; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 17:58:36 -0400 Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 17:58:35 -0400 Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Technical Bulletin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: MS User [EMAIL PROTECTED] SUBJECT: Newest Microsoft Patch Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=bicnhrvs My configuration is FreeBSD 5.2.1, Postfix + Cyrus Thanks for any help, Luke ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: My fault or just Spam
unfortunately, it's likely it's your fault for using email, hehe... Damn this new fangled technology! If only this mailing list was backwards compatible with the USPS. :) at least one of the recent windows viruses steals addresses from the address books of infected machines and sends out mail to/from those addresses. It's likely that someone that had your address in their address book was infected and your email address got abused as a result. This is what I was wondering, if somehow my email address had just been snarfed from this list or if some poor soul on the list was infected with such a virus. i have definitely felt the pain of that over the last month, as i'm sure many others have. i can't even avoid the pain of using windows by not using windows anymore. i have to convince everyone i know not to use windows :) Yeah, it's a real shame and trying to get people out of their comfort zone to try something else seems to be nigh impossible :). But at least I feel better about what I've configured so far... it's now time for me to learn more about stopping spam at my server. I believe there was a thread about this not too long ago. Off I go. aaron Luke ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: My fault or just Spam
On Tue, Feb 17, 2004 at 07:29:03PM -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyhow, within the month that I've had my server running I've been recieving numerous emails that are obviously malicious to Windows users (i.e. contain an attachment with some random-letters.exe and nonsense about a patch). In short my concern is not that me or my wife will run this, sense we don't use Windows, but whether these emails are just spam or if it is my fault. Not your fault at all. The 'net is being plauged at the moment by a series of Windows worm programs that attempt to spread themselves through e-mail. Once the infect a machine, they send e-mail to addresses listed in uers' address books, and also forge the sender address using the same source. See, eg. http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/[EMAIL PROTECTED] This means that you and I, as innocent and uninfected bystanders will be deluged in three types of message as a consequence: i) Messages from the trojan program attempting to propagate itself. ii) Bounce messages from the mailer daemon saying that messages of type (i) couldn't be delivered, sent to the forged sender addresses. iii) Really annoying messages sent by some dim-witted anti-virus software accusing you of sending virus infested e-mails. These are completely pointless, as the sender addresses are forged, and the AV software writers should know that. In fact the huge flood of messages of type (iii) have outnumbered the messages of type (i) in this latest outbreak. AV software writers making themselves part of the problem there, rather than the solution. As FreeBSD users we can, of course, act all smug about this and just set our spam filters and AV software to dump all of the (i), (ii) and (iii) types of message into the bit-bucket. If you want to test your machine to see if it is providing an open relay, go to http://www.abuse.net/relay.html and follow the instructions. Cheers, Matthew -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 26 The Paddocks Savill Way PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Marlow Tel: +44 1628 476614 Bucks., SL7 1TH UK pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: spam removal
[ Sorry for the delay, I was (and still am) rebuilding everything with pthread on my desktop. ] On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 20:37:30 -0800 Gary Kline [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Feb 16, 2004 at 01:09:11PM +0200, Ion-Mihai Tetcu wrote: [..] Hi, I'd be grateful for some tips on how to get dspam up. I installed it after reading your mail; then I waded into the long README and felt nearly overwhelmed. Yeh, I know. I will hopefully rewrite the readme and add some docs on the next release. I've used mysql to set up several message boards,, but that's about the extent of my knowledge. No problem here. The first question is: do you have your mail users in a mysql database or they are in the system ? If they are in the system use dspam_2mysql to generate the table for dpsam from the passwd file, and use dspam_genaliases to generate the spam aliases for each user to forward the spam to. As a general note, until you're convince the hole system works ok compile dpam with verbose_debug. As currently the port doesn't offer that, just add: CONFIGURE_ARGS+=--enable-debug \ --enable-verbose-debug just above: .if defined(WITH_MYSQL) Be aware that this will produce * a lot * of noise on a busy system (It will log a copy of each mail in /usr/local/etc/dspam/dspam.messages, in dspam.debug it will log how it applies the algorithms ans some sql debug info in dspam.messages and the sql queries and results in sql.errors) And when I say a lot I mean about 100MB for about 10.000 mails.. Also I would suggest turning off mysql query log if it's on (I nicely run out of space, for the same amount of messages it eats up about 500MB). Make an test user so that you don't have all your mails passed to dspam until it working ok. I've been using /etc/mail/access that catches tons of spam. It would be great if dspam could do the rest! You can use dspam between your MTA and LDA for local delivery. Or do a more complex setup and re-inject the mail into the MTA. Give me some more details, please. -- IOnut Unregistered ;) FreeBSD user ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: spam removal
Hi I read this tread, great idee to add a spam feature. so i do it, install with the ports. I work with sendmail, no mysql db behind. make install done. chance the Mlocal Setting, add aliases, and restart sendmail. Now Message it's comming up to me, but when i send a email to [EMAIL PROTECTED], it's now comming: - The following addresses had permanent fatal errors - |'/usr/local/bin/dspam' --user 'spamtest' --addspam (reason: 126) (expanded from: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Transcript of session follows - /usr/local/bin/dspam: permission denied 554 5.3.0 unknown mailer error 126 there are my configs: SENDMAIL.CF Mlocal, P=/usr/local/bin/dspam, F=lsDFMAw5:/|@qfSmn9, S=EnvFromL/HdrFromL, R=EnvToL/HdrToL, T=DNS/RFC822/X-Unix, A=dspam --user $u -d %u TRUSTED USERES root smmsp daemon www mailnull Can me help some? tnx Michel - Original Message - From: Ion-Mihai Tetcu [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gary Kline [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Olga Zenkova [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 1:26 PM Subject: Re: spam removal [ Sorry for the delay, I was (and still am) rebuilding everything with pthread on my desktop. ] On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 20:37:30 -0800 Gary Kline [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Feb 16, 2004 at 01:09:11PM +0200, Ion-Mihai Tetcu wrote: [..] Hi, I'd be grateful for some tips on how to get dspam up. I installed it after reading your mail; then I waded into the long README and felt nearly overwhelmed. Yeh, I know. I will hopefully rewrite the readme and add some docs on the next release. I've used mysql to set up several message boards,, but that's about the extent of my knowledge. No problem here. The first question is: do you have your mail users in a mysql database or they are in the system ? If they are in the system use dspam_2mysql to generate the table for dpsam from the passwd file, and use dspam_genaliases to generate the spam aliases for each user to forward the spam to. As a general note, until you're convince the hole system works ok compile dpam with verbose_debug. As currently the port doesn't offer that, just add: CONFIGURE_ARGS+=--enable-debug \ --enable-verbose-debug just above: .if defined(WITH_MYSQL) Be aware that this will produce * a lot * of noise on a busy system (It will log a copy of each mail in /usr/local/etc/dspam/dspam.messages, in dspam.debug it will log how it applies the algorithms ans some sql debug info in dspam.messages and the sql queries and results in sql.errors) And when I say a lot I mean about 100MB for about 10.000 mails.. Also I would suggest turning off mysql query log if it's on (I nicely run out of space, for the same amount of messages it eats up about 500MB). Make an test user so that you don't have all your mails passed to dspam until it working ok. I've been using /etc/mail/access that catches tons of spam. It would be great if dspam could do the rest! You can use dspam between your MTA and LDA for local delivery. Or do a more complex setup and re-inject the mail into the MTA. Give me some more details, please. -- IOnut Unregistered ;) FreeBSD user ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] !DSPAM:40320d045721998092570! ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: spam removal
On Tue, Feb 17, 2004 at 02:26:12PM +0200, Ion-Mihai Tetcu wrote: [ Sorry for the delay, I was (and still am) rebuilding everything with pthread on my desktop. ] Not a problem!! I got a late start today and have other-stuff to do before evening... . On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 20:37:30 -0800 Gary Kline [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Feb 16, 2004 at 01:09:11PM +0200, Ion-Mihai Tetcu wrote: [..] Hi, I'd be grateful for some tips on how to get dspam up. I installed it after reading your mail; then I waded into the long README and felt nearly overwhelmed. Yeh, I know. I will hopefully rewrite the readme and add some docs on the next release. I've used mysql to set up several message boards,, but that's about the extent of my knowledge. No problem here. The first question is: do you have your mail users in a mysql database or they are in the system ? I don't quite understand your question. I would like to filter spam from/at my primary nameserver, ns1.thought.org. There aren't any real user accounts on NS1; it's just me and an admin account, and of course, root. Other user accounts are on inside/private hosts: tao.thought.org and ethic.thought.org. ethic is a RedHat system that I let my daughter play on. So far she hasn't gotten much spam. The spammers hit me hard. Do I need to install dspam here on tao.thought.org? (This host is my testbed so I have mysql installed here.) If they are in the system use dspam_2mysql to generate the table for dpsam from the passwd file, and use dspam_genaliases to generate the spam aliases for each user to forward the spam to. Ok, in an xterm on NS1 I just ran dspam_2mysql; nothing was output to std|[out|err]. (?) Nothing in /var/db/mysql so looks like I'm doing something wrong. dspam_genaliases prints aliases like: spam-nobody:|'/usr/local/bin/dspam' --user 'nobody' --addspam spam-admin: |'/usr/local/bin/dspam' --user 'admin' --addspam spam-www: |'/usr/local/bin/dspam' --user 'www' --addspam spam-kline: |'/usr/local/bin/dspam' --user 'kline' --addspam spam-postmaster:|'/usr/local/bin/dspam' --user 'postmaster' --addspam spam-abuse: |'/usr/local/bin/dspam' --user 'abuse' --addspam to stdout. Let's say that I want to block spam from /home/admin: the address would be [EMAIL PROTECTED] Where would I put the spam-admin alias? As a general note, until you're convince the hole system works ok compile dpam with verbose_debug. As currently the port doesn't offer that, just add: CONFIGURE_ARGS+=--enable-debug \ --enable-verbose-debug just above: .if defined(WITH_MYSQL) Done! and re-installed Be aware that this will produce * a lot * of noise on a busy system (It will log a copy of each mail in /usr/local/etc/dspam/dspam.messages, in dspam.debug it will log how it applies the algorithms ans some sql debug info in dspam.messages and the sql queries and results in sql.errors) And when I say a lot I mean about 100MB for about 10.000 mails.. Also I would suggest turning off mysql query log if it's on (I nicely run out of space, for the same amount of messages it eats up about 500MB). Thanks for the warnings. I've got to be careful with my DNS server: not much space. Make an test user so that you don't have all your mails passed to dspam until it working ok. I'll use [EMAIL PROTECTED] right now. I've been using /etc/mail/access that catches tons of spam. It would be great if dspam could do the rest! You can use dspam between your MTA and LDA for local delivery. Or do a more complex setup and re-inject the mail into the MTA. Give me some more details, please. Ok; looks like I'll rebuild dspam here on tao. I'm beginning to get a clue, but still don't understand what I need to do re mysql. Also, what to do with the spam-aliases lines. Thanks much for your help. I think dspam will save lots of people from needness grief (and spam)! gary -- Gary Kline [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.thought.org Public service Unix ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi! Some of my FreeBSD users get to much spam daily. What tools can anybody advice to stop it? Now I have sendmail with access.db, which is already used but I think it is not very effective at all. May be other mail daemon or some additional tools for sendmail? Thanks, Olga __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: spam removal
On Mon, 16 Feb 2004, Olga Zenkova wrote:
Hi!
Some of my FreeBSD users get to much spam daily. What
tools can anybody advice to stop it? Now I have
sendmail with access.db, which is already used but I
think it is not very effective at all. May be other
mail daemon or some additional tools for sendmail?
Try some blacklists with sendmail.
FEATURE(`dnsbl', `sbl.spamhaus.org', `550 Mail from $`'{client_addr}
refused - see http://www.spamhaus.org/sbl/;')dnl
FEATURE(`dnsbl', `list.dsbl.org', `550 Mail from $`'{client_addr}
refused - see http://dsbl.org/;')dnl
FEATURE(`dnsbl',`bl.spamcop.net',`550 Mail from $`'{client_addr}
refused - see http://spamcop.net/;')dnl
FEATURE(`dnsbl', `cbl.abuseat.org',`550 Mail from $`'{client_addr}
refused - see http://cbl.abuseat.org/')dnl
FEATURE(`dnsbl', `psbl.surriel.com',`550 Mail from $`'{client_addr}
refused - see http://psbl.surriel.com/')dnl
FEATURE(`dnsbl', `dnsbl.sorbs.net', `550 Mail from $`'{client_addr}
refused - see http://dnsbl.sorbs.net/')dnl
you will smile with glee seeing each connection blocked.
oh yea do research into each one. i dont use them all atm.
also check spamassassin, razor2, dcc.
procmail too. or maildrop.
amavisd and the uvscan binary.
i wish i could explain more, but understand how to set
up all that crap and you could sell spam/virus solutions.
m
Thanks,
Olga
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Re: spam removal
On Mon, Feb 16, 2004 at 01:13:16AM -0800, Olga Zenkova wrote: Hi! Some of my FreeBSD users get to much spam daily. What tools can anybody advice to stop it? Now I have sendmail with access.db, which is already used but I think it is not very effective at all. May be other mail daemon or some additional tools for sendmail? I recommend bogofilter for per-user filtering. Spamassassin is also highly recommended for site use. I tend to dislike DNS-based filtering because it has a high rate of false positives, and it causes your users to lose legitimate mail if it's rejected at the mail server. With bogofilter or SA the mail is tagged with a header that the user can then filter into a spam mailbox and review for false positives (or delete on sight if they really want to). Kris pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: spam removal
On Mon, 16 Feb 2004, Kris Kennaway wrote: On Mon, Feb 16, 2004 at 01:13:16AM -0800, Olga Zenkova wrote: Hi! Some of my FreeBSD users get to much spam daily. What tools can anybody advice to stop it? Now I have sendmail with access.db, which is already used but I think it is not very effective at all. May be other mail daemon or some additional tools for sendmail? I recommend bogofilter for per-user filtering. Spamassassin is also highly recommended for site use. I tend to dislike DNS-based filtering because it has a high rate of false positives, and it causes your users to lose legitimate mail if it's rejected at the mail server. As far as I understand it, one does not lose email using dns-based blacklists. The day i implemented it, my manager sent an email from someone's home whose wireless AP was not secured. My manager recieved a error mesg back, saying please visit this site, and it happened to be an easy off blacklist. He punched in his ip, was automatically removed and sent the email. Worked great. Too bad it got the most customer complaints and i canned it. I use 3 now. spamhaus spamcop dsbl Feb 16 04:41:05 primx6 sm-mta-label[14301]: ruleset=check_relay, arg1=[61.111.22.187], arg2=61.111.22.187, [EMAIL PROTECTED], reject=550 5.7.1 Mail from 61.111.22.187 refused - see http://dsbl.org/ these 3 are now running non stop last months. not a peep from our customers. these machines/ips on these blacklists represent, the worst scum of the internet, as well as the dumbest. %zcat /var/log/maillog.0.gz | grep check_relay | grep refused | grep sm-mta-label | wc -l 98858 i dont remember how i lived without them. now my named server uses 70 meg footprint. root13861 33.9 4.4 71180 69568 ?? SsJ 6Feb04 5690:24.27 /usr/sbin/named side effect! danger will robison. name server better not hit swap. m With bogofilter or SA the mail is tagged with a header that the user can then filter into a spam mailbox and review for false positives (or delete on sight if they really want to). Kris ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: spam removal
On Mon, Feb 16, 2004 at 04:44:25AM -0500, matthew wrote: On Mon, 16 Feb 2004, Kris Kennaway wrote: On Mon, Feb 16, 2004 at 01:13:16AM -0800, Olga Zenkova wrote: Hi! Some of my FreeBSD users get to much spam daily. What tools can anybody advice to stop it? Now I have sendmail with access.db, which is already used but I think it is not very effective at all. May be other mail daemon or some additional tools for sendmail? I recommend bogofilter for per-user filtering. Spamassassin is also highly recommended for site use. I tend to dislike DNS-based filtering because it has a high rate of false positives, and it causes your users to lose legitimate mail if it's rejected at the mail server. As far as I understand it, one does not lose email using dns-based blacklists. This is an over-generalization...I certainly have mail regularly bounced by dns-based blacklists. The day i implemented it, my manager sent an email from someone's home whose wireless AP was not secured. My manager recieved a error mesg back, saying please visit this site, and it happened to be an easy off blacklist. He punched in his ip, was automatically removed and sent the email. Worked great. Too bad it got the most customer complaints and i canned it. I use 3 now. You've described someone's particular blacklist that was friendly enough to provide an escape route. Most of the blacklists I encounter do not, and the only way I can contact the person on the other side is by sending mail from another (non-blacklisted) host. However, since most of the rejected emails are advisory and sent for the benefit of the recipient, I usually don't bother, and their misguided attempt at spam filtering bites them silently on the ass :) Feb 16 04:41:05 primx6 sm-mta-label[14301]: ruleset=check_relay, arg1=[61.111.22.187], arg2=61.111.22.187, [EMAIL PROTECTED], reject=550 5.7.1 Mail from 61.111.22.187 refused - see http://dsbl.org/ these 3 are now running non stop last months. not a peep from our customers. these machines/ips on these blacklists represent, the worst scum of the internet, as well as the dumbest. Bear in mind that your customers have no way of knowing that they have lost mail, unless the sender persists and manages to make contact some other way. Kris pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: spam removal
On Mon, Feb 16, 2004 at 04:44:25AM -0500, matthew wrote: I recommend bogofilter for per-user filtering. Spamassassin is also highly recommended for site use. I tend to dislike DNS-based filtering because it has a high rate of false positives, and it causes your users to lose legitimate mail if it's rejected at the mail server. As far as I understand it, one does not lose email using dns-based blacklists. Sure you can. If Alice wants to legitimately contact Bob from a blacklisted IP (whether the blacklisting is actually Alice's fault, or she's just fallen under an excessively large blanket), and Bob is running DNS-based filtering, Bob's MTA blocks Alice based on her IP. Bob loses legitimate mail. Admittedly you provided a counterexample, but it is not always so easy. -- Paul. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: spam removal
On Mon, Feb 16, 2004 at 01:33:32AM -0800, Kris Kennaway wrote: I recommend bogofilter for per-user filtering. Spamassassin is also highly recommended for site use. I'll second both. SpamAssassin worked well for me for several years, but I recently changed from SA to bogofilter because SA just wasn't keeping up with the latest craze of random word spams. Fortunately, I had a 26,000-spam corpus with which to train bogofilter, so it's already working quite well. It seems to be learning the random word spams gradually. -- Paul. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: spam removal
On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 04:18:39 -0500 (EST) matthew [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: also check spamassassin, razor2, dcc. procmail too. or maildrop. amavisd and the uvscan binary. I'll second spamassassin, dcc and amavisd (which also does virus scanning), i've just setup spamassassin via amavisd (Milter atm, minor issues with dual-mta for me) and dcc to provide a spam lookup, so far the content of my inbox has droped by a fair few hundered emails and founs five viruses (3 days :D). -- Mike Woods IT Technician ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: spam removal
On Mon, 16 Feb 2004, Paul A. Hoadley wrote: On Mon, Feb 16, 2004 at 04:44:25AM -0500, matthew wrote: I recommend bogofilter for per-user filtering. Spamassassin is also highly recommended for site use. I tend to dislike DNS-based filtering because it has a high rate of false positives, and it causes your users to lose legitimate mail if it's rejected at the mail server. As far as I understand it, one does not lose email using dns-based blacklists. Sure you can. If Alice wants to legitimately contact Bob from a blacklisted IP (whether the blacklisting is actually Alice's fault, or she's just fallen under an excessively large blanket), and Bob is running DNS-based filtering, Bob's MTA blocks Alice based on her IP. Bob loses legitimate mail. We have different opinions on what it means to lose email. An email is lost when no error message is returned to the sender and the email never gets to its intended recipient. Your example, if you play it out further, Alice will be well aware her message did not get delivered. She sent that email from a real mta. That mta records the error mesg Bob's dns-blacklist using email server spit out. You know what i mean, same thing goes with a user unknown. So Alice knows the email was not lost. She is now aware of why, hence the http://url in the error mesg. And now Alice can contact her admin, and figure out why that ip/block is spewing spam at me/us/blacklist users. So in summary, dns blacklists do not lose email. The email was never sent by Alice's email server and she is aware why. m Admittedly you provided a counterexample, but it is not always so easy. -- Paul. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: spam removal
On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 01:13:16 -0800 (PST) Olga Zenkova [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi! Some of my FreeBSD users get to much spam daily. What tools can anybody advice to stop it? Now I have sendmail with access.db, which is already used but I think it is not very effective at all. May be other mail daemon or some additional tools for sendmail? Give a try to ports/mail/dspam; it uses a combined bayesian algorithm. If you have problems just email me privately and I'll be glad to help. but it's extremely easy to setup. User must just fw the spams to an alias you set up for them. Here are some statistics: NGStats for Jan 28, 2004: 43 Systems Participating 639,217 Spams Caught 1,008,491 Innocent Msgs Scanned 758 False Positives 0.07% False Positive Ratio After the training period (some of this systems are very recently installed), the results are better, about 99.75 - 99.9% with 0.01-0.10% FP rate. From which uses something called Bayesian Dobly to filter Bayesian Noise the results seems to be 99.953% ratio and no false positives. -- IOnut Unregistered ;) FreeBSD user ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: spam removal
On Mon, Feb 16, 2004 at 08:51:35PM +1030, Paul A. Hoadley wrote: On Mon, Feb 16, 2004 at 01:33:32AM -0800, Kris Kennaway wrote: I recommend bogofilter for per-user filtering. Spamassassin is also highly recommended for site use. I'll second both. SpamAssassin worked well for me for several years, but I recently changed from SA to bogofilter because SA just wasn't keeping up with the latest craze of random word spams. Fortunately, I had a 26,000-spam corpus with which to train bogofilter, so it's already working quite well. It seems to be learning the random word spams gradually. I had problems with those bayes-busters for a while until I adjusted my cutoff scores (according to the recommendation of bogotune)..it now catches all of those with 99% accuracy too. Kris pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: spam removal
On Mon, Feb 16, 2004 at 05:57:29AM -0500, matthew wrote: So Alice knows the email was not lost. She is now aware of why, hence the http://url in the error mesg. And now Alice can contact her admin, and figure out why that ip/block is spewing spam at me/us/blacklist users. To repeat, most implementations of DNS blacklists do not provide a URL that allows the blocked user to jump through further hoops to get their mail delivered. Kris pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: spam removal
On Mon, Feb 16, 2004 at 05:57:29AM -0500, matthew wrote: On Mon, 16 Feb 2004, Paul A. Hoadley wrote: On Mon, Feb 16, 2004 at 04:44:25AM -0500, matthew wrote: I recommend bogofilter for per-user filtering. Spamassassin is also highly recommended for site use. I tend to dislike DNS-based filtering because it has a high rate of false positives, and it causes your users to lose legitimate mail if it's rejected at the mail server. As far as I understand it, one does not lose email using dns-based blacklists. Sure you can. If Alice wants to legitimately contact Bob from a blacklisted IP (whether the blacklisting is actually Alice's fault, or she's just fallen under an excessively large blanket), and Bob is running DNS-based filtering, Bob's MTA blocks Alice based on her IP. Bob loses legitimate mail. We have different opinions on what it means to lose email. Perhaps. An email is lost when no error message is returned to the sender and the email never gets to its intended recipient. The latter may occur whether the former occurs or not. Charles wants to email Bob about something that's, say, important to Bob but not that important to Charles. Bob's MTA has Charles as blacklisted. Let's imagine that Charles gets a bounce notification, but it doesn't reach his threshold for doing anything more about it. Bob loses legitimate mail. So Alice knows the email was not lost. Sure. But the intended recipient doesn't have any information at all. She is now aware of why, hence the http://url in the error mesg. And now Alice can contact her admin, and figure out why that ip/block is spewing spam at me/us/blacklist users. Sure. Alice _could_ do that. But if she doesn't, Bob loses legitimate mail. So in summary, dns blacklists do not lose email. The email was never sent by Alice's email server and she is aware why. Bob didn't receive the mail. He isn't aware why. Bob loses legitimate mail. -- Paul. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: spam removal
At 04:18 a.m. 16/02/04 -0500, you wrote:
On Mon, 16 Feb 2004, Olga Zenkova wrote:
Hi!
Some of my FreeBSD users get to much spam daily. What
tools can anybody advice to stop it? Now I have
sendmail with access.db, which is already used but I
think it is not very effective at all. May be other
mail daemon or some additional tools for sendmail?
Try some blacklists with sendmail.
FEATURE(`dnsbl', `sbl.spamhaus.org', `550 Mail from $`'{client_addr}
refused - see http://www.spamhaus.org/sbl/;')dnl
FEATURE(`dnsbl', `list.dsbl.org', `550 Mail from $`'{client_addr}
refused - see http://dsbl.org/;')dnl
FEATURE(`dnsbl',`bl.spamcop.net',`550 Mail from $`'{client_addr}
refused - see http://spamcop.net/;')dnl
FEATURE(`dnsbl', `cbl.abuseat.org',`550 Mail from $`'{client_addr}
refused - see http://cbl.abuseat.org/')dnl
FEATURE(`dnsbl', `psbl.surriel.com',`550 Mail from $`'{client_addr}
refused - see http://psbl.surriel.com/')dnl
FEATURE(`dnsbl', `dnsbl.sorbs.net', `550 Mail from $`'{client_addr}
refused - see http://dnsbl.sorbs.net/')dnl
you will smile with glee seeing each connection blocked.
oh yea do research into each one. i dont use them all atm.
also check spamassassin, razor2, dcc.
procmail too. or maildrop.
amavisd and the uvscan binary.
i wish i could explain more, but understand how to set
up all that crap and you could sell spam/virus solutions.
m
Thanks,
Olga
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Hello all.
I start using blacklists also with sendmail. The spam reduced A LOT . I
just wanted to ask where exactly do I have to put the rule in the
configuration file. Since I put the rule when my users send email their
mail client takes too long to send the email. If I take out the rules the
mail is sent immediately (testes with outlook, eudora).
Thanks in advance.
JB
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Re: spam removal
At 2004-02-16T09:13:16Z, Olga Zenkova [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Some of my FreeBSD users get to much spam daily. What tools can anybody advice to stop it? My writeup on the subject starts at: http://subwiki.honeypot.net/cgi-bin/view/Freebsd/FilterSpam and includes information on DNS blackhole lists and SpamAssassing. -- Kirk Strauser 94 outdated ports on the box, 94 outdated ports. Portupgrade one, an hour 'til done, 82 outdated ports on the box. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: spam removal
Paul A. Hoadley wrote: Let's imagine that Charles gets a bounce notification, but it doesn't reach his threshold for doing anything more about it. Bob loses legitimate mail. Bounce messages are typically not good enough to avoid this. The other day a client tried to send an e-mail that exceeded my ISP's limit and was told something like mailbox is full and had no idea that the mailbox was empty but for their gigantic message. Thank you qmail. Funny enough, they just assumed it was another of those DNS blocks and had nothing to do with my mailbox, so I suppose they've grown weary of these DNS blocked messages. Another example is prodigy.net, which is spread out all over AOL and SBC DSL and who knows what else. When you send a message as a DSL customer, it goes out of a random mailer on prodigy.net including some that are DNS blocked by computers using the same network. So when you send mail to other prodigy.net users, you randomly get DNS blocked. The error message says that some.prodigy.net rejected a message from another.prodigy.net, which is mystifying to say the least. So it is definitely over-used and misused. But I must admit that limited DNS blocking is great. Like blocking dial-up users who send directly instead of out the ISP's smtp server. Spammers are sending a lot of traffic from cracked dial-up computers, and this method chops that off cleanly. The trick is to make sure that the rejection message is helpful to someone who might bother to read it. A bunch of numbers and hello my name is qmail doesn't cut it. -- David Brinegar http://brinegar-computing.com ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: spam removal
Hi David, On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 09:53:40 -0800 UTC (2/16/2004, 11:53 AM -0600 UTC my time), David Brinegar wrote: D Bounce messages are typically not good enough to avoid this. The D other day a client tried to send an e-mail that exceeded my ISP's D limit and was told something like mailbox is full and had no idea D that the mailbox was empty but for their gigantic message. Thank D you qmail. D Funny enough, they just assumed it was another of those DNS blocks and D had nothing to do with my mailbox, so I suppose they've grown weary of D these DNS blocked messages. They did not bother to read the email. [snip] D chops that off cleanly. The trick is to make sure that the D rejection message is helpful to someone who might bother to read it. D A bunch of numbers and hello my name is qmail doesn't cut it. I'm sorry, but have you ever used qmail as a server? It delivers a bounce called QSBMF, and to my knowledge is the only MTA that does. The bounce has 4 parts, a short intro paragraph, one or more recipient paragraphs, a break paragraph, and a copy of the original message. The recipient paragraph tells you why it was bounced, in human readable terms. e.g Sorry, no mailbox here by that name. BTW, qmail does not impose mailbox limits. Your ISP must be using some associated program. -- Gary Succeed in spite of management. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: spam removal
Gary defends qmail: It delivers a bounce called QSBMF, and to my knowledge is the only MTA that does. Those messages are like idiot lights, without the brevity. But qmail is besides the point -- most bounce messages are pretty weak. They work okay if the reader is computer literate. I like the idea of referring to a web page, where you can make room to properly explain things. Especially for DNS blacklists, which vary so much from group to group. Who does it cost more to have long bounce messages? ISPs or spammers? Anybody use tarpits with success? (eg. /usr/ports/spamd or /usr/ports/qmail-ldap says it has a tarpit feature.) -- David Brinegar http://brinegar-computing.com ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: spam removal
On Mon, Feb 16, 2004 at 01:09:11PM +0200, Ion-Mihai Tetcu wrote: Give a try to ports/mail/dspam; it uses a combined bayesian algorithm. If you have problems just email me privately and I'll be glad to help. but it's extremely easy to setup. User must just fw the spams to an alias you set up for them. Here are some statistics: NGStats for Jan 28, 2004: 43 Systems Participating 639,217 Spams Caught 1,008,491 Innocent Msgs Scanned 758 False Positives 0.07% False Positive Ratio After the training period (some of this systems are very recently installed), the results are better, about 99.75 - 99.9% with 0.01-0.10% FP rate. From which uses something called Bayesian Dobly to filter Bayesian Noise the results seems to be 99.953% ratio and no false positives. Hi, I'd be grateful for some tips on how to get dspam up. I installed it after reading your mail; then I waded into the long README and felt nearly overwhelmed. I've used mysql to set up several message boards,, but that's about the extent of my knowledge. I've been using /etc/mail/access that catches tons of spam. It would be great if dspam could do the rest! tia, gary -- Gary Kline [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.thought.org Public service Unix ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Spam Assassin?
Here's how I have spam assassin setup on my mail server. I installed spam assassin using perl's CPAN module, so I'm not sure how different it is from the ports install. You need to have the spam assassin daemon (spamd) running. I imagine the port installs a startup script in /usr/local/etc/rc.d . If not, you can just add '/usr/bin/spamd ' to your /etc/rc.local In my user's home directories I have a .forward file. In that file is a line like (the quotes are part of the file): |IFS=' ' exec /usr/local/bin/procmail -Yf- || exit 75 #USERNAME replace USERNAME with the correct username. I also have a .procmailrc file in the user's home directory. It looks something like: PATH=/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/local/bin:$HOME/bin MAILDIR=/var/mail/USERNAME #LOGFILE=$HOME/Mail/backup/logfile #This will process the mail and flag it :0fw * 256000 |/usr/bin/spamc #Uncomment the section below to delete spam on the server. #:0: #* ^X-Spam-Flag: Yes #/dev/null #other procmail rules go here Again, replace USERNAME with the correct username. With that default setup, users will receive spam, but it will flagged in the headers and have a blurb at the beginning which they can use to create filters in their mail client. I delete spam right on the server in my accounts. You'll also have a procmailrc file in /usr/local/etc/ that you can put global (server wide) mail processing rules in. Once spam assassin is functioning on a user's account there will be a .spamassassin folder in the home dir. You can use the .spamassassin/user_prefs file to fine tune their spam assassin if need be. Hope this helps. -- Clint Gilders [EMAIL PROTECTED] Director of Technology Services OnlineHobbyist.com, Inc. Eric F Crist wrote: Ok folks, I'm very, very overwhelmed here. I think it comes from trying to setup too many things at once. I have sendmail running (from base install). I need to get SpamAssassin and Procmail working, with users having the ability to opt-out of the spam filtering. I mainly offer POP3 mail access (via qpopper) and I'm thinking of adding in Squirrelmail support with IMAP. I have a working mail/pop server and everything is fine there. The spam assassin port and procmail ports have been through a make install clean and I haven't the foggiest idea on how to get the two of them working together with sendmail. Please help. TIA ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
