Re: [Freecol-developers] (no subject)

[Michael T. Pope]

On Wed, 22 Dec 2021 12:31:03 + (UTC)
D Blakeley  wrote:
> Hey guys,
> As some of you know I'm not programmer so anything I say about this should be 
> taken with a grain of salt lol. However today I noticed some panic in the fan 
> game community regarding fan games made with Java due to a 'Java Log4j 
> exploit'...

I probably should have spoken sooner, given I do Computer Security
professionally.  The log4j bug has been around for a bit, and you are right
to be concerned because it is extremely bad.  Rest assured that freecol is
log4j free, and if it had not been, I would have killed its use with fire
and pushed out an emergency release.

Cheers,
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Re: [Freecol-developers] (no subject)

[Stian Grenborgen]

> [...] 'Java Log4j exploit' [...]

No worries, we are not using Log4j :-)


Best wishes,
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Re: [Freecol-developers] (no subject)

[D Blakeley via Freecol-developers]

Hey guys,
As some of you know I'm not programmer so anything I say about this should be 
taken with a grain of salt lol. However today I noticed some panic in the fan 
game community regarding fan games made with Java due to a 'Java Log4j exploit' 
recently discovered and doing the media rounds. Thought I better mention it to 
you guys...
https://www.cnet.com/tech/services-and-software/log4j-software-bug-cisa-issues-emergency-directive-to-federal-agencies/

https://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2021-44228

Also is the Nightly pre-release building currently broken? Had a number of fans 
asking me about them. I've assured them FreeCol is not dead and that the behind 
the scenes dev emails are flowing bigtime lol.


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Re: [Freecol-developers] (no subject)

[Jonathan Aquilina]

I will be honest html5 isnt as bad as it used to be that someone who doesnt
know any web coding can easily pick it up.

On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 2:28 AM, Bryce Harrington  wrote:

> On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 07:33:35PM +1030, Michael T. Pope wrote:
> > On Thu, 25 Dec 2014 10:44:28 -0800
> > Bryce Harrington  wrote:
> > > WordPress is awesome, but isn't it a bit overkill for what freecol.org
> > > needs?  There aren't that many pages, and they aren't updated that
> > > frequently...
> >
> > That is my thought, although there is some truth to the idea that if it
> > were less painful to update it might get used more.
> >
> > > I've seen some pretty robust sites done for open source projects using
> > > just git and some random html templating language.  I've even seen a
> few
> > > simple ones that just have a really good CSS template and plain HTML.
> >
> > If we want to use git, well we already do for the source code.  We might
> > as well just have a "website" directory in the main tree, and of course,
> > a script to update from there to freecol.org.
>
> Might not be a bad idea to just do that and keep it simple for now.
>
> Based on my experience with other open source projects, when someone
> shows up who's passionate about working on the website, they'll
> generally have their own preferences about CMS's or whatnot.  So, I
> think you could stick with something simple for now, and delay setting
> up a CMS until there's a stated need.
>
> Bryce
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Re: [Freecol-developers] (no subject)

[Bryce Harrington]

On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 07:33:35PM +1030, Michael T. Pope wrote:
> On Thu, 25 Dec 2014 10:44:28 -0800
> Bryce Harrington  wrote:
> > WordPress is awesome, but isn't it a bit overkill for what freecol.org
> > needs?  There aren't that many pages, and they aren't updated that
> > frequently...
> 
> That is my thought, although there is some truth to the idea that if it
> were less painful to update it might get used more.
>
> > I've seen some pretty robust sites done for open source projects using
> > just git and some random html templating language.  I've even seen a few
> > simple ones that just have a really good CSS template and plain HTML.
> 
> If we want to use git, well we already do for the source code.  We might
> as well just have a "website" directory in the main tree, and of course,
> a script to update from there to freecol.org.

Might not be a bad idea to just do that and keep it simple for now.

Based on my experience with other open source projects, when someone
shows up who's passionate about working on the website, they'll
generally have their own preferences about CMS's or whatnot.  So, I
think you could stick with something simple for now, and delay setting
up a CMS until there's a stated need.

Bryce

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Re: [Freecol-developers] (no subject)

[Michael T. Pope]

On Thu, 25 Dec 2014 10:44:28 -0800
Bryce Harrington  wrote:
> WordPress is awesome, but isn't it a bit overkill for what freecol.org
> needs?  There aren't that many pages, and they aren't updated that
> frequently...

That is my thought, although there is some truth to the idea that if it
were less painful to update it might get used more.
 
> I've seen some pretty robust sites done for open source projects using
> just git and some random html templating language.  I've even seen a few
> simple ones that just have a really good CSS template and plain HTML.

If we want to use git, well we already do for the source code.  We might
as well just have a "website" directory in the main tree, and of course,
a script to update from there to freecol.org.

Apologies for not contributing much to this thread.  The release takes
priority for now.

Cheers,
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Re: [Freecol-developers] (no subject)

[Jonathan Aquilina]

As mentioned in the other thread. A github repository for the website plus
simple html5 and css3 would be more then enough, but we should also target
mobile devices as well as people might use them to file bugs or look up
things. If you guys agree and someone sets up the repository on github or
where ever i can get something done in a matter of hours.

On Thu, Dec 25, 2014 at 9:16 AM, Bryce Harrington  wrote:

> On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 08:19:03PM +1030, Michael T. Pope wrote:
> > On Mon, 22 Dec 2014 22:51:23 +0100
> > Jonathan Aquilina  wrote:
> > > Wordpress is super easy to update
> >
> > Yes, good.  I salute your enthusiasm but please understand my caution.  I
> > just looked it up, and wordpress has 740(!) CVEs issued since 2003.  I
> > knew it was going to be bad, but that is abysmal.  To maintain it well
> you
> > are going to need to watch carefully for security announcements and
> > update promptly.  Are you sure you can commit to that long term?  Even
> > if so, I think if we go with wordpress, we need an emergency exit
> strategy.
> > Perhaps I should wget freecol.org and stash a tarball in the git repo at
> > the very least.
>
> WordPress is awesome, but isn't it a bit overkill for what freecol.org
> needs?  There aren't that many pages, and they aren't updated that
> frequently...
>
> I've seen some pretty robust sites done for open source projects using
> just git and some random html templating language.  I've even seen a few
> simple ones that just have a really good CSS template and plain HTML.
>
> For example, Cairo's website (cairographics.org) uses a static
> html generator that gets triggered (I think) via git push, which from a
> maintainer POV is convenient since updating the website is essentially
> the same workflow as updating the codebase.  And also scriptable...
> cairo's new-version release process also scripts up all the website updates
>
>
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>
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Re: [Freecol-developers] (no subject)

[Jonathan Aquilina]

I think though we are going to end up going in a vicious circle here. All
CMS's available have their good and their bad.

On Sun, Dec 28, 2014 at 5:33 PM, Caleb Williams  wrote:

> I for one, am in favor of having at least some type of simple backend
> available to site admins to make quick and simple changes (such as adding
> or editing news, adding release information) in such a way that doesn't
> require coding. While we currently have several interested parties with
> HTML/CSS knowledge, that may not always be the case when a new release
> comes along, etc.
>
> CSS Media Queries are a definite requirement to making any site responsive
> to different user platforms. While basic responsive websites can be coded
> fairly easily through Media Queries, it's a good idea to use an analytic
> software to measure what platforms visitors are using. For example, if 90%
> of visitors use Internet Explorer 6, then simple media queries won't work.
> (Fortunately IE 6 is no longer a huge threat. For an example, during a time
> period of Jan. 1, 2014 through yesterday, of 311 sessions of Internet
> Explorer users on a website I run, 0 used IE6. On a different site for the
> same timespan, it was 4 of 204 with an overall session figure of 1,507.)
>
> On Sun, Dec 28, 2014 at 12:06 AM, Jonathan Aquilina <
> eagles051...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I think here some html5 css3 would be more then enough, but I think its
>> also essential to make the site responsive.
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 25, 2014 at 7:44 PM, Bryce Harrington <
>> br...@bryceharrington.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 08:19:03PM +1030, Michael T. Pope wrote:
>>> > On Mon, 22 Dec 2014 22:51:23 +0100
>>> > Jonathan Aquilina  wrote:
>>> > > Wordpress is super easy to update
>>> >
>>> > Yes, good.  I salute your enthusiasm but please understand my
>>> caution.  I
>>> > just looked it up, and wordpress has 740(!) CVEs issued since 2003.  I
>>> > knew it was going to be bad, but that is abysmal.  To maintain it well
>>> you
>>> > are going to need to watch carefully for security announcements and
>>> > update promptly.  Are you sure you can commit to that long term?  Even
>>> > if so, I think if we go with wordpress, we need an emergency exit
>>> strategy.
>>> > Perhaps I should wget freecol.org and stash a tarball in the git repo
>>> at
>>> > the very least.
>>>
>>> WordPress is awesome, but isn't it a bit overkill for what freecol.org
>>> needs?  There aren't that many pages, and they aren't updated that
>>> frequently...
>>>
>>> I've seen some pretty robust sites done for open source projects using
>>> just git and some random html templating language.  I've even seen a few
>>> simple ones that just have a really good CSS template and plain HTML.
>>>
>>> For example, Cairo's website (cairographics.org) uses a static
>>> html generator that gets triggered (I think) via git push, which from a
>>> maintainer POV is convenient since updating the website is essentially
>>> the same workflow as updating the codebase.  And also scriptable...
>>> cairo's new-version release process also scripts up all the website
>>> updates
>>>
>>>
>>> Bryce
>>>
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[Caleb Williams]

I for one, am in favor of having at least some type of simple backend
available to site admins to make quick and simple changes (such as adding
or editing news, adding release information) in such a way that doesn't
require coding. While we currently have several interested parties with
HTML/CSS knowledge, that may not always be the case when a new release
comes along, etc.

CSS Media Queries are a definite requirement to making any site responsive
to different user platforms. While basic responsive websites can be coded
fairly easily through Media Queries, it's a good idea to use an analytic
software to measure what platforms visitors are using. For example, if 90%
of visitors use Internet Explorer 6, then simple media queries won't work.
(Fortunately IE 6 is no longer a huge threat. For an example, during a time
period of Jan. 1, 2014 through yesterday, of 311 sessions of Internet
Explorer users on a website I run, 0 used IE6. On a different site for the
same timespan, it was 4 of 204 with an overall session figure of 1,507.)

On Sun, Dec 28, 2014 at 12:06 AM, Jonathan Aquilina 
wrote:

> I think here some html5 css3 would be more then enough, but I think its
> also essential to make the site responsive.
>
> On Thu, Dec 25, 2014 at 7:44 PM, Bryce Harrington <
> br...@bryceharrington.org> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 08:19:03PM +1030, Michael T. Pope wrote:
>> > On Mon, 22 Dec 2014 22:51:23 +0100
>> > Jonathan Aquilina  wrote:
>> > > Wordpress is super easy to update
>> >
>> > Yes, good.  I salute your enthusiasm but please understand my caution.
>> I
>> > just looked it up, and wordpress has 740(!) CVEs issued since 2003.  I
>> > knew it was going to be bad, but that is abysmal.  To maintain it well
>> you
>> > are going to need to watch carefully for security announcements and
>> > update promptly.  Are you sure you can commit to that long term?  Even
>> > if so, I think if we go with wordpress, we need an emergency exit
>> strategy.
>> > Perhaps I should wget freecol.org and stash a tarball in the git repo
>> at
>> > the very least.
>>
>> WordPress is awesome, but isn't it a bit overkill for what freecol.org
>> needs?  There aren't that many pages, and they aren't updated that
>> frequently...
>>
>> I've seen some pretty robust sites done for open source projects using
>> just git and some random html templating language.  I've even seen a few
>> simple ones that just have a really good CSS template and plain HTML.
>>
>> For example, Cairo's website (cairographics.org) uses a static
>> html generator that gets triggered (I think) via git push, which from a
>> maintainer POV is convenient since updating the website is essentially
>> the same workflow as updating the codebase.  And also scriptable...
>> cairo's new-version release process also scripts up all the website
>> updates
>>
>>
>> Bryce
>>
>>
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Re: [Freecol-developers] (no subject)

[Jonathan Aquilina]

I think here some html5 css3 would be more then enough, but I think its
also essential to make the site responsive.

On Thu, Dec 25, 2014 at 7:44 PM, Bryce Harrington  wrote:

> On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 08:19:03PM +1030, Michael T. Pope wrote:
> > On Mon, 22 Dec 2014 22:51:23 +0100
> > Jonathan Aquilina  wrote:
> > > Wordpress is super easy to update
> >
> > Yes, good.  I salute your enthusiasm but please understand my caution.  I
> > just looked it up, and wordpress has 740(!) CVEs issued since 2003.  I
> > knew it was going to be bad, but that is abysmal.  To maintain it well
> you
> > are going to need to watch carefully for security announcements and
> > update promptly.  Are you sure you can commit to that long term?  Even
> > if so, I think if we go with wordpress, we need an emergency exit
> strategy.
> > Perhaps I should wget freecol.org and stash a tarball in the git repo at
> > the very least.
>
> WordPress is awesome, but isn't it a bit overkill for what freecol.org
> needs?  There aren't that many pages, and they aren't updated that
> frequently...
>
> I've seen some pretty robust sites done for open source projects using
> just git and some random html templating language.  I've even seen a few
> simple ones that just have a really good CSS template and plain HTML.
>
> For example, Cairo's website (cairographics.org) uses a static
> html generator that gets triggered (I think) via git push, which from a
> maintainer POV is convenient since updating the website is essentially
> the same workflow as updating the codebase.  And also scriptable...
> cairo's new-version release process also scripts up all the website updates
>
>
> Bryce
>
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Re: [Freecol-developers] (no subject)

[Bryce Harrington]

On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 08:19:03PM +1030, Michael T. Pope wrote:
> On Mon, 22 Dec 2014 22:51:23 +0100
> Jonathan Aquilina  wrote:
> > Wordpress is super easy to update
> 
> Yes, good.  I salute your enthusiasm but please understand my caution.  I
> just looked it up, and wordpress has 740(!) CVEs issued since 2003.  I
> knew it was going to be bad, but that is abysmal.  To maintain it well you
> are going to need to watch carefully for security announcements and
> update promptly.  Are you sure you can commit to that long term?  Even
> if so, I think if we go with wordpress, we need an emergency exit strategy.
> Perhaps I should wget freecol.org and stash a tarball in the git repo at
> the very least.

WordPress is awesome, but isn't it a bit overkill for what freecol.org
needs?  There aren't that many pages, and they aren't updated that
frequently...

I've seen some pretty robust sites done for open source projects using
just git and some random html templating language.  I've even seen a few
simple ones that just have a really good CSS template and plain HTML.

For example, Cairo's website (cairographics.org) uses a static
html generator that gets triggered (I think) via git push, which from a
maintainer POV is convenient since updating the website is essentially
the same workflow as updating the codebase.  And also scriptable...
cairo's new-version release process also scripts up all the website updates


Bryce

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Re: [Freecol-developers] (no subject)

[Bryce Harrington]

On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 08:19:03PM +1030, Michael T. Pope wrote:
> On Mon, 22 Dec 2014 22:51:23 +0100
> Jonathan Aquilina  wrote:
> > Wordpress is super easy to update
> 
> Yes, good.  I salute your enthusiasm but please understand my caution.  I
> just looked it up, and wordpress has 740(!) CVEs issued since 2003.  I
> knew it was going to be bad, but that is abysmal.  To maintain it well you
> are going to need to watch carefully for security announcements and
> update promptly.  Are you sure you can commit to that long term?  Even
> if so, I think if we go with wordpress, we need an emergency exit strategy.
> Perhaps I should wget freecol.org and stash a tarball in the git repo at
> the very least.

WordPress is awesome, but isn't it a bit overkill for what freecol.org
needs?  There aren't that many pages, and they aren't updated that
frequently...

I've seen some pretty robust sites done for open source projects using
just git and some random html templating language.  I've even seen a few
simple ones that just have a really good CSS template and plain HTML.

For example, Cairo's website (cairographics.org) uses a static
html generator that gets triggered (I think) via git push, which from a
maintainer POV is convenient since updating the website is essentially
the same workflow as updating the codebase.  And also scriptable...
cairo's new-version release process also scripts up all the website updates


Bryce


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Re: [Freecol-developers] (no subject)

[Jonathan Aquilina]

Wordpress as of v4 has a self update feature which is very nice. I am quite
versed and still learning lots of new things about web design. I can code
something from scratch where it can be a bit more dynamic and take
advantage of a responsive design so it can be viewed on mobiles and tablets
too


On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 10:49 AM, Michael T. Pope 
wrote:

> On Mon, 22 Dec 2014 22:51:23 +0100
> Jonathan Aquilina  wrote:
> > Wordpress is super easy to update
>
> Yes, good.  I salute your enthusiasm but please understand my caution.  I
> just looked it up, and wordpress has 740(!) CVEs issued since 2003.  I
> knew it was going to be bad, but that is abysmal.  To maintain it well you
> are going to need to watch carefully for security announcements and
> update promptly.  Are you sure you can commit to that long term?  Even
> if so, I think if we go with wordpress, we need an emergency exit strategy.
> Perhaps I should wget freecol.org and stash a tarball in the git repo at
> the very least.
>
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On Mon, 22 Dec 2014 22:51:23 +0100
Jonathan Aquilina  wrote:
> Wordpress is super easy to update

Yes, good.  I salute your enthusiasm but please understand my caution.  I
just looked it up, and wordpress has 740(!) CVEs issued since 2003.  I
knew it was going to be bad, but that is abysmal.  To maintain it well you
are going to need to watch carefully for security announcements and
update promptly.  Are you sure you can commit to that long term?  Even
if so, I think if we go with wordpress, we need an emergency exit strategy.
Perhaps I should wget freecol.org and stash a tarball in the git repo at
the very least.

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[Jonathan Aquilina]

Wordpress is super easy to update
On 22 Dec 2014 22:10, "Michael T. Pope"  wrote:

> On Sun, 21 Dec 2014 14:53:39 +0100
> Stian Grenborgen  wrote:
> > I have converted the entire site into a static version. Dynamic content
> > (such as operating system detection, polls etc) have been removed.
>
> Thank you.  I think that was needed.
>
> > New content can only be added manually. Adding a new news item is
> > cumbersome as not only the HTML-file needs to be added ... but every
> > link should be updated as well (frontpage, news, releases, RSS-feeds
> > etc).
>
> Understood.  Cumbersome though this might be, it will not block a
> release.  I can probably edit HTML faster than I could use the old
> Joomla:-).
>
> > We need to decide on a more permanent solution.
>
> We do.  As I have said earlier I have no strong preference regarding the
> software involved, but I would propose some criteria, which are mainly
> motivated by the very low numbers of volunteers:
>
> - Ease of maintenance, especially security updates
> - Ease of release process (look at the chapter in .../doc/developer.tex
>   on what we do/did to make a release for comparison)
> - Preference for something we can continue to host at sourceforge where
>   freecol.org has long been
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On Sun, 21 Dec 2014 14:53:39 +0100
Stian Grenborgen  wrote:
> I have converted the entire site into a static version. Dynamic content 
> (such as operating system detection, polls etc) have been removed.

Thank you.  I think that was needed.
 
> New content can only be added manually. Adding a new news item is 
> cumbersome as not only the HTML-file needs to be added ... but every 
> link should be updated as well (frontpage, news, releases, RSS-feeds 
> etc).

Understood.  Cumbersome though this might be, it will not block a
release.  I can probably edit HTML faster than I could use the old
Joomla:-).

> We need to decide on a more permanent solution.

We do.  As I have said earlier I have no strong preference regarding the
software involved, but I would propose some criteria, which are mainly
motivated by the very low numbers of volunteers:

- Ease of maintenance, especially security updates
- Ease of release process (look at the chapter in .../doc/developer.tex
  on what we do/did to make a release for comparison)
- Preference for something we can continue to host at sourceforge where
  freecol.org has long been

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[Caleb Williams]

Nice work. It's a shame that this happened, but I'm glad were're up and
running with something now though.

Hopefully 0.11.2 will come along shortly as I think there have been a
number of changes that benefit end users nicely.

On Sun, Dec 21, 2014 at 7:53 AM, Stian Grenborgen <
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> On 2014-12-16 23:05, Michael T. Pope wrote:
> > On Tue, 16 Dec 2014 11:25:37 +0100
> > Jonathan Aquilina  wrote:
> >> I can put together a quick place holder page if you like.
> >
> > At the top of the thread Stian said that there is a place holder there
> > already.  I would like to see other parts of the static content
> > restored
> > soon, in particular the stuff that new users or contributors might
> > need to
> > be referred to (e.g. "how to contribute", "getting started", news and
> > links
> > to old releases, the (non)-roadmap).
>
> I have converted the entire site into a static version. Dynamic content
> (such as operating system detection, polls etc) have been removed.
>
> New content can only be added manually. Adding a new news item is
> cumbersome as not only the HTML-file needs to be added ... but every
> link should be updated as well (frontpage, news, releases, RSS-feeds
> etc).
>
> We need to decide on a more permanent solution.
>
>
> Best wishes,
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On 2014-12-17 06:15, Jonathan Aquilina wrote:
> Hey Stian is it possible to get a copy of the place holder please?

It's just a plain HTML page (just like the static site now on 
freecol.org). You can download it, and all images and CSS, by using 
"wget".


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On 2014-12-16 23:05, Michael T. Pope wrote:
> On Tue, 16 Dec 2014 11:25:37 +0100
> Jonathan Aquilina  wrote:
>> I can put together a quick place holder page if you like.
> 
> At the top of the thread Stian said that there is a place holder there
> already.  I would like to see other parts of the static content 
> restored
> soon, in particular the stuff that new users or contributors might 
> need to
> be referred to (e.g. "how to contribute", "getting started", news and 
> links
> to old releases, the (non)-roadmap).

I have converted the entire site into a static version. Dynamic content 
(such as operating system detection, polls etc) have been removed.

New content can only be added manually. Adding a new news item is 
cumbersome as not only the HTML-file needs to be added ... but every 
link should be updated as well (frontpage, news, releases, RSS-feeds 
etc).

We need to decide on a more permanent solution.


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[Jonathan Aquilina]

Hey Stian is it possible to get a copy of the place holder please?

On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 11:05 PM, Michael T. Pope 
wrote:
>
> On Tue, 16 Dec 2014 11:25:37 +0100
> Jonathan Aquilina  wrote:
> > I can put together a quick place holder page if you like.
>
> At the top of the thread Stian said that there is a place holder there
> already.  I would like to see other parts of the static content restored
> soon, in particular the stuff that new users or contributors might need to
> be referred to (e.g. "how to contribute", "getting started", news and links
> to old releases, the (non)-roadmap).
>
> Cheers,
> Mike Pope
>


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On Tue, 16 Dec 2014 11:25:37 +0100
Jonathan Aquilina  wrote:
> I can put together a quick place holder page if you like.

At the top of the thread Stian said that there is a place holder there
already.  I would like to see other parts of the static content restored
soon, in particular the stuff that new users or contributors might need to
be referred to (e.g. "how to contribute", "getting started", news and links
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[Jonathan Aquilina]

I can put together a quick place holder page if you like. it wont be pretty
but it woudl be better than nothing.

On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 11:11 AM, Michael T. Pope 
wrote:
>
> On Tue, 16 Dec 2014 08:29:26 +0100
> Jonathan Aquilina  wrote:
> >[Much discussion about webpage redesign]
>
> I think this is getting a little ahead of events.  I am delighted that
> people are interested in helping with a nice new web page, but right now
> it would be good to quickly recover a simple static version of the broken
> freecol.org and get that back online.  Enough annoying user-visible bugs
> in 0.11.1 have been fixed that we are approaching the point where I
> should seriously consider releasing 0.11.2 some time in the
> Christmas/New Year break.  However, to do so with freecol.org down would
> be a bit lame.
>
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[Michael T. Pope]

On Tue, 16 Dec 2014 08:29:26 +0100
Jonathan Aquilina  wrote:
>[Much discussion about webpage redesign]

I think this is getting a little ahead of events.  I am delighted that
people are interested in helping with a nice new web page, but right now
it would be good to quickly recover a simple static version of the broken
freecol.org and get that back online.  Enough annoying user-visible bugs
in 0.11.1 have been fixed that we are approaching the point where I
should seriously consider releasing 0.11.2 some time in the
Christmas/New Year break.  However, to do so with freecol.org down would
be a bit lame.

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[Jonathan Aquilina]

2nd point you dont need anything special simple hyper links to where the
software is will work in terms of downloads. Point 4 im sure there is
something that is floating around on the internet that can be reused and
adapted for our needs. Or for the news we could use something like
wordpress and make it a blog style news setup

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>
> Sorry Jonathan, I didn't mean to imply that you'd be contributing money,
> but rather time and expertise. The same with you Jonas.
>
> In my case, for better or worse, all the PHP coding I've ever done is to
> create websites that don't rely on a backend, but can only be changed
> through coding, so I personally don't have a ton of experience with
> creating an Admin Control Panel.
>
> From the opinion of someone who is mainly an end-user and occasional bug
> finder (and Col1 mis-rememberer) the most important parts of the website
> are:
>
>- Explain the software (to prospective users)
>- Download the software
>- Explain the software (to users)
>- Provide news on releases, development, etc. to users of the project.
>
> The first and third points can be relatively static, but their needs to be
> some type of ACP backend to get the second and fourth points updated.
>
> On Sun, Dec 14, 2014 at 10:50 PM, Jonathan Aquilina <
> eagles051...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I would not be asking for money to do it, i would do it to hone my skills
>> in web design as well as the ability to give back to the community.
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 12:37 AM, Caleb Williams 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Sun, 14 Dec 2014 14:02:48 -0600
>>> Caleb Williams  wrote:
>>> > > Out of the frying pan and into the fire?
>>> >
>>> > That really depends on getting the theme right.
>>>
>>> Sorry for being obtuse.  I am involved in computer security
>>> professionally.  Both Joomla and Wordpress have very poor reputations in
>>> that field.  That was the motivation for my comment.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Mike Pope
>>>
>>> No slight taken on my end. There are ways to harden WordPress
>>> , but without knowing
>>> what hosting options are available, it's tough to know exactly what is the
>>> best solution. The most secure solution could be a custom website that
>>> doesn't use some of the same attack scripts as a WordPress or Joomla site.
>>> Of course, the downside, is that creating a custom website often takes more
>>> money than a project just as FreeCol has available to work with. Hopefully
>>> Mr. Aquilina will be able to help out with that.
>>>
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[Caleb Williams]

Sorry Jonathan, I didn't mean to imply that you'd be contributing money,
but rather time and expertise. The same with you Jonas.

In my case, for better or worse, all the PHP coding I've ever done is to
create websites that don't rely on a backend, but can only be changed
through coding, so I personally don't have a ton of experience with
creating an Admin Control Panel.

>From the opinion of someone who is mainly an end-user and occasional bug
finder (and Col1 mis-rememberer) the most important parts of the website
are:

   - Explain the software (to prospective users)
   - Download the software
   - Explain the software (to users)
   - Provide news on releases, development, etc. to users of the project.

The first and third points can be relatively static, but their needs to be
some type of ACP backend to get the second and fourth points updated.

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wrote:
>
> I would not be asking for money to do it, i would do it to hone my skills
> in web design as well as the ability to give back to the community.
>
> On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 12:37 AM, Caleb Williams 
> wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, 14 Dec 2014 14:02:48 -0600
>> Caleb Williams  wrote:
>> > > Out of the frying pan and into the fire?
>> >
>> > That really depends on getting the theme right.
>>
>> Sorry for being obtuse.  I am involved in computer security
>> professionally.  Both Joomla and Wordpress have very poor reputations in
>> that field.  That was the motivation for my comment.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Mike Pope
>>
>> No slight taken on my end. There are ways to harden WordPress
>> , but without knowing
>> what hosting options are available, it's tough to know exactly what is the
>> best solution. The most secure solution could be a custom website that
>> doesn't use some of the same attack scripts as a WordPress or Joomla site.
>> Of course, the downside, is that creating a custom website often takes more
>> money than a project just as FreeCol has available to work with. Hopefully
>> Mr. Aquilina will be able to help out with that.
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[Jonathan Aquilina]

I would not be asking for money to do it, i would do it to hone my skills
in web design as well as the ability to give back to the community.

On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 12:37 AM, Caleb Williams  wrote:
>
> On Sun, 14 Dec 2014 14:02:48 -0600
> Caleb Williams  wrote:
> > > Out of the frying pan and into the fire?
> >
> > That really depends on getting the theme right.
>
> Sorry for being obtuse.  I am involved in computer security
> professionally.  Both Joomla and Wordpress have very poor reputations in
> that field.  That was the motivation for my comment.
>
> Cheers,
> Mike Pope
>
> No slight taken on my end. There are ways to harden WordPress
> , but without knowing
> what hosting options are available, it's tough to know exactly what is the
> best solution. The most secure solution could be a custom website that
> doesn't use some of the same attack scripts as a WordPress or Joomla site.
> Of course, the downside, is that creating a custom website often takes more
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