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Sarbajit, I stand corrected. I had always thought that the issue was the illusion of separateness. So what is sauce for the goose (i.e., me) would be sauce for the gander [i.e., you). If I am not separate from you, surely you are not separate from me. But I had best stay out of this one, because I haven't the energy right now to read the eastern texts, and asking you to explain things to me when you have already made clarifying texts available is unfair. Anyway, thanks for the correction. Nick -Original Message- From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Sarbajit Roy Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 11:12 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] attachment Oh dear me, Perhaps the simple online version of the Gita I chose was too advanced. I thought it was clear from 2.71 that it refers to ONE who ..becomes free from I or my ... Youness on the other hand is perfectly OK. Lets see an online Kiddies version of the Mahabharatha (the long epic of which the Gita is a tiny part) http://www.indolink.com/Kidz/Stories/mahabharat11.html The entire Gita is reduced to this para Krishna said, Arjuna, may it be known to you that man's duty lies in performing the duty while the results should be left to God. To oppress others is a sin but to tolerate oppression is a far bigger sin. All those, whom you claim to be your relatives are none but individual souls, unrelated to you, on way to their ultimate destination of uniting with the supreme Lord, the Brahman. Pick up your weapon and fight that is what is ordained to you. Do not think of the consequences. Note the delicious youness which permeates the Gita Sarbajit On 10/2/12, Nicholas Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net wrote: But surely, Sarbarjit, your post is contaminated with the illusion of YOU-ness. As long as you are detached from him, you cannot propound anything .. etc., right? You will never attain peace as long as you see Russ as a YOU. Right? N -Original Message- From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Sarbajit Roy Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 12:13 AM To: russ.abb...@gmail.com; The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] attachment Your post is contaminated/deluded by the repeated use of I. As long as you are attached to your I-ness you cannot propound anything valid beyond the delusion of your self. http://www.ourpathtogod.com/bhagavadgita/chapter2.html One who abandons all desires, and becomes free from longing and the feeling of 'I' and 'my', attains peace. (2.71) O Arjuna, this is the super-conscious state of mind. Attaining this state, one is no longer deluded. Gaining this state, even at the end of one's life, a person becomes one with the Absolute. (2.72). Sarbajit On 10/2/12, Russ Abbott russ.abb...@gmail.com wrote: I liked my post on attachment. (Perhaps I'm attached to it.) Did it get lost? I don't see it in any of the follow-up posts. Here it is again. Think of attachment as: I must ensure that X comes to pass. I want it so badly. Think of detachment as: I must not want so badly that X comes to pass. I must stay detached. Think of non-attachment as: I may participate in the process whereby X comes to pass -- or doesn't come to pass. If I participate I may be fully engaged. I may care very much whether X comes to pass. It it does, I may feel very happy. If it doesn't I may feel very sad. But whether or not X comes to pass I still have my laundry to do. *-- Russ Abbott* *_* *** Professor, Computer Science* * California State University, Los Angeles* * My paper on how the Fed can fix the economy: ssrn.com/abstract=1977688* * Google voice: 747-*999-5105 Google+: plus.google.com/114865618166480775623/ * vita: *sites.google.com/site/russabbott/ CS Wiki http://cs.calstatela.edu/wiki/ and the courses I teach *_* FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
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Dear Nick There's no illusion of separateness. You ARE separate from me. The Gita only asks you to give up Iness to progress further. I'll clarify this with a Western text: WE are the Borg. WE will assimilate YOU. (Resistance is futile). Sarbajit On 10/3/12, Nicholas Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net wrote: Sarbajit, I stand corrected. I had always thought that the issue was the illusion of separateness. So what is sauce for the goose (i.e., me) would be sauce for the gander [i.e., you). If I am not separate from you, surely you are not separate from me. But I had best stay out of this one, because I haven't the energy right now to read the eastern texts, and asking you to explain things to me when you have already made clarifying texts available is unfair. Anyway, thanks for the correction. Nick -Original Message- From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Sarbajit Roy Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 11:12 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] attachment Oh dear me, Perhaps the simple online version of the Gita I chose was too advanced. I thought it was clear from 2.71 that it refers to ONE who ..becomes free from I or my ... Youness on the other hand is perfectly OK. Lets see an online Kiddies version of the Mahabharatha (the long epic of which the Gita is a tiny part) http://www.indolink.com/Kidz/Stories/mahabharat11.html The entire Gita is reduced to this para Krishna said, Arjuna, may it be known to you that man's duty lies in performing the duty while the results should be left to God. To oppress others is a sin but to tolerate oppression is a far bigger sin. All those, whom you claim to be your relatives are none but individual souls, unrelated to you, on way to their ultimate destination of uniting with the supreme Lord, the Brahman. Pick up your weapon and fight that is what is ordained to you. Do not think of the consequences. Note the delicious youness which permeates the Gita Sarbajit On 10/2/12, Nicholas Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net wrote: But surely, Sarbarjit, your post is contaminated with the illusion of YOU-ness. As long as you are detached from him, you cannot propound anything .. etc., right? You will never attain peace as long as you see Russ as a YOU. Right? N -Original Message- From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Sarbajit Roy Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 12:13 AM To: russ.abb...@gmail.com; The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] attachment Your post is contaminated/deluded by the repeated use of I. As long as you are attached to your I-ness you cannot propound anything valid beyond the delusion of your self. http://www.ourpathtogod.com/bhagavadgita/chapter2.html One who abandons all desires, and becomes free from longing and the feeling of 'I' and 'my', attains peace. (2.71) O Arjuna, this is the super-conscious state of mind. Attaining this state, one is no longer deluded. Gaining this state, even at the end of one's life, a person becomes one with the Absolute. (2.72). Sarbajit On 10/2/12, Russ Abbott russ.abb...@gmail.com wrote: I liked my post on attachment. (Perhaps I'm attached to it.) Did it get lost? I don't see it in any of the follow-up posts. Here it is again. Think of attachment as: I must ensure that X comes to pass. I want it so badly. Think of detachment as: I must not want so badly that X comes to pass. I must stay detached. Think of non-attachment as: I may participate in the process whereby X comes to pass -- or doesn't come to pass. If I participate I may be fully engaged. I may care very much whether X comes to pass. It it does, I may feel very happy. If it doesn't I may feel very sad. But whether or not X comes to pass I still have my laundry to do. *-- Russ Abbott* *_* *** Professor, Computer Science* * California State University, Los Angeles* * My paper on how the Fed can fix the economy: ssrn.com/abstract=1977688* * Google voice: 747-*999-5105 Google+: plus.google.com/114865618166480775623/ * vita: *sites.google.com/site/russabbott/ CS Wiki http://cs.calstatela.edu/wiki/ and the courses I teach *_* FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borg_(Star_Trek) On 10/3/12, Nicholas Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net wrote: Unfortunately, I haven't read THAT text either! (};-]} Thanks, Sarbajit, Nick -Original Message- From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Sarbajit Roy Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 9:18 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] attachment Dear Nick There's no illusion of separateness. You ARE separate from me. The Gita only asks you to give up Iness to progress further. I'll clarify this with a Western text: WE are the Borg. WE will assimilate YOU. (Resistance is futile). Sarbajit FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
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Your post is contaminated/deluded by the repeated use of I. As long as you are attached to your I-ness you cannot propound anything valid beyond the delusion of your self. http://www.ourpathtogod.com/bhagavadgita/chapter2.html One who abandons all desires, and becomes free from longing and the feeling of 'I' and 'my', attains peace. (2.71) O Arjuna, this is the super-conscious state of mind. Attaining this state, one is no longer deluded. Gaining this state, even at the end of one's life, a person becomes one with the Absolute. (2.72). Sarbajit On 10/2/12, Russ Abbott russ.abb...@gmail.com wrote: I liked my post on attachment. (Perhaps I'm attached to it.) Did it get lost? I don't see it in any of the follow-up posts. Here it is again. Think of attachment as: I must ensure that X comes to pass. I want it so badly. Think of detachment as: I must not want so badly that X comes to pass. I must stay detached. Think of non-attachment as: I may participate in the process whereby X comes to pass -- or doesn't come to pass. If I participate I may be fully engaged. I may care very much whether X comes to pass. It it does, I may feel very happy. If it doesn't I may feel very sad. But whether or not X comes to pass I still have my laundry to do. *-- Russ Abbott* *_* *** Professor, Computer Science* * California State University, Los Angeles* * My paper on how the Fed can fix the economy: ssrn.com/abstract=1977688* * Google voice: 747-*999-5105 Google+: plus.google.com/114865618166480775623/ * vita: *sites.google.com/site/russabbott/ CS Wiki http://cs.calstatela.edu/wiki/ and the courses I teach *_* FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
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Your email got through, and Carl had a great comparison with the notion of
'coolness'.
Following his suggestion, it seems that you are using 'attachment' and
'detachment' as short hands for caring-about-maintaining-your-attachment and
caring-about-dissolving-your-attachment. Both are similar, in your view,
because they involve putting forth effort to regulate one's level of
attachment. The third option, which you are
calling 'non-attachment' is to not care / not put forth effort. This could
entail either being-neutral-to-your-level-of-attachment
or the even more extreme being-oblivious-to-your-level-of-attachment.
The former (neutral) option would allow for things like bemused
self-observations ('How odd that I seem to care about this cup. Oh well.'),
while the later (oblivious) option would not. Am I understanding you correctly?
Eric
On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 01:52 AM, Russ Abbott
russ.abb...@gmail.com wrote:
I liked my
post on attachment. (Perhaps I'm attached to it.) Did it get lost? I don't see
it in any of the follow-up posts. Here it is
again.
ms,sans-serif
Think of attachment as: I must ensure that X
comes to pass. I want it so badly.
Think of detachment as: I must not want so badly that X comes to pass. I must
stay detached.
Think of non-attachment as: I may participate in the process whereby X comes
to pass -- or doesn't come to pass. If I participate I may be fully engaged. I
may care very much whether X comes to pass. It it does, I may feel very happy.
If it doesn't I may feel very sad. But whether or not X comes to pass I still
have my laundry to do.
-- Russ Abbott
_ Professor, Computer Science
California State University, Los Angeles
My paper on how the Fed can fix the economy:
http://ssrn.com/abstract=1977688
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Excellent! Thanks, Eric. Word games like these seem to me to be
semantic loops that can only be resolved by using a larger language.
There is no difference between detachment and non-attachment and
anyone who claims there is is playing games. That's OK. Games are fun.
But rather than go round and round trying to out-profound each other, I
need new words. Yours are a bit long, but they might work. ;-)
ERIC P. CHARLES wrote at 10/02/2012 06:58 AM:
Following his suggestion, it seems that you are using 'attachment' and
'detachment' as short hands for caring-about-maintaining-your-attachment and
caring-about-dissolving-your-attachment. Both are similar, in your view,
because they involve putting forth effort to regulate one's level of
attachment. The third option, which you are
calling 'non-attachment' is to not care / not put forth effort. This could
entail either being-neutral-to-your-level-of-attachment
or the even more extreme being-oblivious-to-your-level-of-attachment.
The former (neutral) option would allow for things like bemused
self-observations ('How odd that I seem to care about this cup. Oh well.'),
while the later (oblivious) option would not. Am I understanding you
correctly?
--
glen
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But surely, Sarbarjit, your post is contaminated with the illusion of YOU-ness. As long as you are detached from him, you cannot propound anything .. etc., right? You will never attain peace as long as you see Russ as a YOU. Right? N -Original Message- From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Sarbajit Roy Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 12:13 AM To: russ.abb...@gmail.com; The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] attachment Your post is contaminated/deluded by the repeated use of I. As long as you are attached to your I-ness you cannot propound anything valid beyond the delusion of your self. http://www.ourpathtogod.com/bhagavadgita/chapter2.html One who abandons all desires, and becomes free from longing and the feeling of 'I' and 'my', attains peace. (2.71) O Arjuna, this is the super-conscious state of mind. Attaining this state, one is no longer deluded. Gaining this state, even at the end of one's life, a person becomes one with the Absolute. (2.72). Sarbajit On 10/2/12, Russ Abbott russ.abb...@gmail.com wrote: I liked my post on attachment. (Perhaps I'm attached to it.) Did it get lost? I don't see it in any of the follow-up posts. Here it is again. Think of attachment as: I must ensure that X comes to pass. I want it so badly. Think of detachment as: I must not want so badly that X comes to pass. I must stay detached. Think of non-attachment as: I may participate in the process whereby X comes to pass -- or doesn't come to pass. If I participate I may be fully engaged. I may care very much whether X comes to pass. It it does, I may feel very happy. If it doesn't I may feel very sad. But whether or not X comes to pass I still have my laundry to do. *-- Russ Abbott* *_* *** Professor, Computer Science* * California State University, Los Angeles* * My paper on how the Fed can fix the economy: ssrn.com/abstract=1977688* * Google voice: 747-*999-5105 Google+: plus.google.com/114865618166480775623/ * vita: *sites.google.com/site/russabbott/ CS Wiki http://cs.calstatela.edu/wiki/ and the courses I teach *_* FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
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Oh dear me, Perhaps the simple online version of the Gita I chose was too advanced. I thought it was clear from 2.71 that it refers to ONE who ..becomes free from I or my ... Youness on the other hand is perfectly OK. Lets see an online Kiddies version of the Mahabharatha (the long epic of which the Gita is a tiny part) http://www.indolink.com/Kidz/Stories/mahabharat11.html The entire Gita is reduced to this para Krishna said, “Arjuna, may it be known to you that man’s duty lies in performing the duty while the results should be left to God. To oppress others is a sin but to tolerate oppression is a far bigger sin. All those, whom you claim to be your relatives are none but individual souls, unrelated to you, on way to their ultimate destination of uniting with the supreme Lord, the Brahman. Pick up your weapon and fight that is what is ordained to you. Do not think of the consequences.” Note the delicious youness which permeates the Gita Sarbajit On 10/2/12, Nicholas Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net wrote: But surely, Sarbarjit, your post is contaminated with the illusion of YOU-ness. As long as you are detached from him, you cannot propound anything .. etc., right? You will never attain peace as long as you see Russ as a YOU. Right? N -Original Message- From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Sarbajit Roy Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 12:13 AM To: russ.abb...@gmail.com; The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] attachment Your post is contaminated/deluded by the repeated use of I. As long as you are attached to your I-ness you cannot propound anything valid beyond the delusion of your self. http://www.ourpathtogod.com/bhagavadgita/chapter2.html One who abandons all desires, and becomes free from longing and the feeling of 'I' and 'my', attains peace. (2.71) O Arjuna, this is the super-conscious state of mind. Attaining this state, one is no longer deluded. Gaining this state, even at the end of one's life, a person becomes one with the Absolute. (2.72). Sarbajit On 10/2/12, Russ Abbott russ.abb...@gmail.com wrote: I liked my post on attachment. (Perhaps I'm attached to it.) Did it get lost? I don't see it in any of the follow-up posts. Here it is again. Think of attachment as: I must ensure that X comes to pass. I want it so badly. Think of detachment as: I must not want so badly that X comes to pass. I must stay detached. Think of non-attachment as: I may participate in the process whereby X comes to pass -- or doesn't come to pass. If I participate I may be fully engaged. I may care very much whether X comes to pass. It it does, I may feel very happy. If it doesn't I may feel very sad. But whether or not X comes to pass I still have my laundry to do. *-- Russ Abbott* *_* *** Professor, Computer Science* * California State University, Los Angeles* * My paper on how the Fed can fix the economy: ssrn.com/abstract=1977688* * Google voice: 747-*999-5105 Google+: plus.google.com/114865618166480775623/ * vita: *sites.google.com/site/russabbott/ CS Wiki http://cs.calstatela.edu/wiki/ and the courses I teach *_* FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
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It did come through, it's succinctness caused me to type a message like this: My dog is the epitome of attachment. My cat is the epitome of non-attachment. Some cats and dogs seem studied in detachment. My mailtool (Thunderbird) seems fairly attached to the idea that I might send without making the attachment I possibly intended when I used the word. My cat was recently confiscated by the coyotes, I think they can't be bothered with all this talk. But then I thought it might be perceived as flip and deleted it. I do this from time to time, it is my simulation of non-attachment I think. I liked my post on attachment. (Perhaps I'm attached to it.) Did it get lost? I don't see it in any of the follow-up posts. Here it is again. Think of attachment as: I must ensure that X comes to pass. I want it so badly. Think of detachment as: I must not want so badly that X comes to pass. I must stay detached. Think of non-attachment as: I may participate in the process whereby Xcomes to pass -- or doesn't come to pass. If I participate I may be fully engaged. I may care very much whether X comes to pass. It it does, I may feel very happy. If it doesn't I may feel very sad. But whether or not X comes to pass I still have my laundry to do. /-- Russ Abbott/ /_/ / Professor, Computer Science/ / California State University, Los Angeles/ / My paper on how the Fed can fix the economy: ssrn.com/abstract=1977688 http://ssrn.com/abstract=1977688/ / Google voice: 747-/999-5105 Google+: plus.google.com/114865618166480775623/ https://plus.google.com/114865618166480775623/ / vita: /sites.google.com/site/russabbott/ http://sites.google.com/site/russabbott/ CS Wiki http://cs.calstatela.edu/wiki/ and the courses I teach /_/ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
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I detached myself from this thread at least 5 messages ago. Oops Thanks a lot, Steve... On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 11:32 AM, Steve Smith sasm...@swcp.com wrote: It did come through, it's succinctness caused me to type a message like this: My dog is the epitome of attachment. My cat is the epitome of non-attachment. Some cats and dogs seem studied in detachment. My mailtool (Thunderbird) seems fairly attached to the idea that I might send without making the attachment I possibly intended when I used the word. My cat was recently confiscated by the coyotes, I think they can't be bothered with all this talk. But then I thought it might be perceived as flip and deleted it. I do this from time to time, it is my simulation of non-attachment I think. I liked my post on attachment. (Perhaps I'm attached to it.) Did it get lost? I don't see it in any of the follow-up posts. Here it is again. Think of attachment as: I must ensure that X comes to pass. I want it so badly. Think of detachment as: I must not want so badly that X comes to pass. I must stay detached. Think of non-attachment as: I may participate in the process whereby X comes to pass -- or doesn't come to pass. If I participate I may be fully engaged. I may care very much whether X comes to pass. It it does, I may feel very happy. If it doesn't I may feel very sad. But whether or not X comes to pass I still have my laundry to do. *-- Russ Abbott* *_* * Professor, Computer Science* * California State University, Los Angeles* * My paper on how the Fed can fix the economy: ssrn.com/abstract=1977688 * * Google voice: 747-*999-5105 Google+: plus.google.com/114865618166480775623/ * vita: *sites.google.com/site/russabbott/ CS Wiki http://cs.calstatela.edu/wiki/ and the courses I teach *_* FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org -- Doug Roberts drobe...@rti.org d...@parrot-farm.net http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins 505-455-7333 - Office 505-670-8195 - Cell FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
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Attachment is only a problem if when detachment sets in it causes suffering, e.g. my leg Robert C On 10/2/12 11:34 AM, Douglas Roberts wrote: I detached myself from this thread at least 5 messages ago. Oops Thanks a lot, Steve... On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 11:32 AM, Steve Smith sasm...@swcp.com mailto:sasm...@swcp.com wrote: It did come through, it's succinctness caused me to type a message like this: My dog is the epitome of attachment. My cat is the epitome of non-attachment. Some cats and dogs seem studied in detachment. My mailtool (Thunderbird) seems fairly attached to the idea that I might send without making the attachment I possibly intended when I used the word. My cat was recently confiscated by the coyotes, I think they can't be bothered with all this talk. But then I thought it might be perceived as flip and deleted it. I do this from time to time, it is my simulation of non-attachment I think. I liked my post on attachment. (Perhaps I'm attached to it.) Did it get lost? I don't see it in any of the follow-up posts. Here it is again. Think of attachment as: I must ensure that X comes to pass. I want it so badly. Think of detachment as: I must not want so badly that X comes to pass. I must stay detached. Think of non-attachment as: I may participate in the process whereby Xcomes to pass -- or doesn't come to pass. If I participate I may be fully engaged. I may care very much whether X comes to pass. It it does, I may feel very happy. If it doesn't I may feel very sad. But whether or not X comes to pass I still have my laundry to do. /-- Russ Abbott/ /_/ / Professor, Computer Science/ / California State University, Los Angeles/ /My paper on how the Fed can fix the economy: ssrn.com/abstract=1977688 http://ssrn.com/abstract=1977688/ / Google voice: 747-/999-5105 Google+: plus.google.com/114865618166480775623/ https://plus.google.com/114865618166480775623/ /vita: /sites.google.com/site/russabbott/ http://sites.google.com/site/russabbott/ CS Wiki http://cs.calstatela.edu/wiki/ and the courses I teach /_/ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps athttp://www.friam.org FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org -- Doug Roberts drobe...@rti.org mailto:drobe...@rti.org d...@parrot-farm.net mailto:d...@parrot-farm.net http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins 505-455-7333 - Office 505-670-8195 - Cell FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
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Our economic system could use some preferential detachment. -Arlo James Barnes FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
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Excellent wordplay young man... and also... a great diversionment from the seriousness of the moment! Our economic system could use some preferential detachment. -Arlo James Barnes FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
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Are you pulling my leg? I loved the (oversimplified/pop) description of (Westernized?) Buddhism stating that suffering is the consequence avoiding pain and that life is suffering (apologies to all the Buddhist/Hindu scholars and/or practicioners and/or culturally embeddeds for my limited understanding of this). My wife calls me a Calvinist and thinks I *love suffering* and might even suggest I am *attached to suffering* when in fact, from inside my head/heart/chakras, I experience something that feels more like non-attachment to the pain which she is imagining I am enjoying (or the suffering I'm enjoying avoiding the pain?). I have to admit that my sense of morbid fascination might just be an attachment to a certain kind of suffering... hmmm I *love* the bite of this red-chile infused lager I'm sipping... she may have a point... Attachment is only a problem if when detachment sets in it causes suffering, e.g. my leg Robert C On 10/2/12 11:34 AM, Douglas Roberts wrote: I detached myself from this thread at least 5 messages ago. Oops Thanks a lot, Steve... On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 11:32 AM, Steve Smith sasm...@swcp.com mailto:sasm...@swcp.com wrote: It did come through, it's succinctness caused me to type a message like this: My dog is the epitome of attachment. My cat is the epitome of non-attachment. Some cats and dogs seem studied in detachment. My mailtool (Thunderbird) seems fairly attached to the idea that I might send without making the attachment I possibly intended when I used the word. My cat was recently confiscated by the coyotes, I think they can't be bothered with all this talk. But then I thought it might be perceived as flip and deleted it. I do this from time to time, it is my simulation of non-attachment I think. I liked my post on attachment. (Perhaps I'm attached to it.) Did it get lost? I don't see it in any of the follow-up posts. Here it is again. Think of attachment as: I must ensure that X comes to pass. I want it so badly. Think of detachment as: I must not want so badly that X comes to pass. I must stay detached. Think of non-attachment as: I may participate in the process whereby Xcomes to pass -- or doesn't come to pass. If I participate I may be fully engaged. I may care very much whether X comes to pass. It it does, I may feel very happy. If it doesn't I may feel very sad. But whether or not X comes to pass I still have my laundry to do. /-- Russ Abbott/ /_/ / Professor, Computer Science/ / California State University, Los Angeles/ /My paper on how the Fed can fix the economy: ssrn.com/abstract=1977688 http://ssrn.com/abstract=1977688/ / Google voice: 747-/999-5105 Google+: plus.google.com/114865618166480775623/ https://plus.google.com/114865618166480775623/ /vita: /sites.google.com/site/russabbott/ http://sites.google.com/site/russabbott/ CS Wiki http://cs.calstatela.edu/wiki/ and the courses I teach /_/ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps athttp://www.friam.org FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org -- Doug Roberts drobe...@rti.org mailto:drobe...@rti.org d...@parrot-farm.net mailto:d...@parrot-farm.net http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins 505-455-7333 - Office 505-670-8195 - Cell FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps athttp://www.friam.org FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
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Yup, I got it in the email you sent, works great. Interesting stunt, and certainly reinforces the Browser is the Computer meme! The code was quite useful, especially to me being a bit of a javascript novice -- only used it a few times in depth. The $() function stunt was very cool and made it look like a shell variable. I also like the appendLine - trace functions, when I don't have firebug to work with. Works within closures which sometimes confuses firebug, at least on the Mac. In-lining the css is also interesting: considered a no-no by the purists but likely to be very useful for html/javascript scripts .. letting us have a one-file solution. I'm cc-ing Friam in case folks are interested in the details. -- Owen On Dec 31, 2008, at 11:43 AM, Dale Schumacher wrote: Hi Owen, I was wondering if the HTML/CSS/Javascript example I sent as an attachment was passed through the FRAIM list. Did you get it? Was it a sufficient example for the kind of problem you wanted to solve? I have more complex examples, if they would be useful. Dale FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
