Re: OOf

2002-07-02 Thread Ryan Coleman

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On 7/1/02 12:56 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  DO YOU ALWAYS TAKE THIRTY POSTS ABOUT SOME ISSUE BEFORE ENOUGH PEOPLE TELL
  YOU TO STOP, BEFORE YOU ACTUALLY STOP?

First of all, why are you yelling?

Secondly, it's the ListMom's job to decide what is appropriate to post.

Thirdly, your little rant didn't stop you from posting your off topic two
cents worth, did it?

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Re: Wallstreet battery problem revisited

2002-07-02 Thread Dr. K. Gensberg

Does anyone know where I might get a new power management board 
(CHEAP) for my WallStreet 266? It seems to be eating batteries at a 
rate of one every three months, and the board seems to be the only 
thing I can think of (I've done the shift/option/apple/restart thing 
quite a few times).

When I first bought my Wallstreet, the battery in it lasted about a 
year before it would suddenly die - I'd have about three quarters of 
battery left showing on the control strip, and then there would be a 
message about the battery being about to die and the computer going 
to sleep to preserve contents of memory.

I then bought another (Apple) battery, which worked fine for another 
year and then - same again.

The third battery (Lacie) only lasted a few months.

This fourth battery (VST) has just developed the same fault, and I've 
only been using it for a month or so.

Batteries don't generally get a hard time from me, as I usually use 
the AC adapter. Surely I'm not getting a string of defective 
batteries?


Karl



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Re: Server as Firewall

2002-07-02 Thread Bruce Johnson

Michael Bryan Bell wrote:
At Starbucks the other day (no Airport at this one), a friend of a
friend was finishing up his homework assignment on computer security.
 
 
 Heh, tell him to keep reading.

Tell him to keep reading and actually try it in real life sometime...

 
What intrigued me was this;
He said the best way to set up a secure home network was to use a
computer as server and then connect all other ubits to the server. OK, I
was intrigued but it got over my head quickly. It made sense on first
listening, before I forgot the details.
 
 
 He's talking overkill. Extreme, almost masochistic overkill. :) You'll see
 this in technical networking forums, where someone asks for good cheap
 router recommendations and they always say (take a cheap pentium and put
 linux or BSD on it!) before some calm voices of reason step in.
 
 One thing to keep in mind is that the crunch box is right now considered
 to be the most secure router/firewall combination that is out there right
 now. We're talking a dedicated P3 computer running a modified openBSD
 http://shopip.com/index.html which retails for around $7k. If you weren't
 familiar with him, John Draper (the inventor) didn't invent phone phreaking
 and system breakins but besides mitnick was probably the most well known.
 Even Steve Wozniak has gone on record as saying it's unhackable.

Well, a) Kevin Mitnik's great prowness was less in hacking than in 
social engineering, which attackes the weakest link: the users. and B) 
Draper's crunchbox can be built for a hell of a lot less than 
$7kwith appropriate scrounging a usable router can be bult for less 
than the cost of the hardware cable routers, and be nearly as easy to 
set up. I daresay that the majority of the software in that Crunchbox is 
  open source stuff that theyve attached an easy-to-use interface on.

That said, more power to John..if he can just *please* get some of the 
stupider admins to use stuff like that, *my* life would be easier.

Oh no, we're secure here!

Then how come 25 of your machines are trying to DOS me?

Oh, *that's* why our network is so slow...I'll see if Microsoft has a 
patch for that...

That said, BSD out of the box, all by itself is pretty secure. A Mac 
running the standard install is more so..if you don't enable ftp/telnet 
or run a web server, there are almost no open ports on a Mac to begin with.

 There is a firewall in OSX, it just isn't turned on by default. There are
 numerous shareware/freeware apps to access and configure it (brickhouse
 being the fav). Then, all you have to do is be able to share your connection
 to the rest of the computer. Normally this is done via DHCP  NAT, and you
 can download a freeware tool to enable that on OSX too.

 Don't get me wrong, I'm all for security... But OSX's software firewall or a
 cheap $150 router with a hardware firewall will pretty much take care you.

That and common sense. Quick! How many of you have a password for OSX 
that's your dog's name? How many of you have taken the time to memorize 
(and use) a password like 7hT%4ft% ?

(It's actually easy...you can memorize just about any sequence of 
symbols pretty quickly...as a sysadmin I keep around 25 or 30 of them in 
my head at any given time. If I have to change two in a week, I'm 
doomed, but normally I can usually get it in two tries)



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Re: Wallstreet battery problem revisited

2002-07-02 Thread Byron Gardner

on 7/2/02 5:34 AM, Dr. K. Gensberg at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Does anyone know where I might get a new power management board
 (CHEAP) for my WallStreet 266? It seems to be eating batteries at a
 rate of one every three months, and the board seems to be the only
 thing I can think of (I've done the shift/option/apple/restart thing
 quite a few times).
 
 When I first bought my Wallstreet, the battery in it lasted about a
 year before it would suddenly die - I'd have about three quarters of
 battery left showing on the control strip, and then there would be a
 message about the battery being about to die and the computer going
 to sleep to preserve contents of memory.
 
 I then bought another (Apple) battery, which worked fine for another
 year and then - same again.
 
 The third battery (Lacie) only lasted a few months.
 
 This fourth battery (VST) has just developed the same fault, and I've
 only been using it for a month or so.
 
 Batteries don't generally get a hard time from me, as I usually use
 the AC adapter. Surely I'm not getting a string of defective
 batteries?
 
 
 Karl
 
 
Don't feel bad...I have been through several now myself with my PB and they
are showing the same signs. New batteries that check out at the factory but
I can get them to charge only about 88% of capacity.

Byron


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Powerbook g3 HD...went with the IBM 40GB for $144 shipped

2002-07-02 Thread Gene Wright

Just an FYI if anyone cares. :-)

I ordered the 40GB 4200rpm 9.5mm IBM hard drive for my powerbook 
firewire/pismo from newegg.com. Total was $144 shipped.

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bickering on a list.

2002-07-02 Thread Shawn King

On 7/2/02 11:22 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Cause its no good to do this sort of bickering on a list.

No one was bickering. You made your comment on the list, I made mine.

Once you are on the list for a while, you'll realize this sort of thing
happens all the time. Not only is it *solely* the ListMom's job to police
the list, the ListMom has allowed these kinds of off topic discussions in
the past and most likely will into the future.

 I mean, I apologized and we agreed that the thread was closed.

LOL Who agreed to that? I certainly didn't. Only the *ListMom* can close
threads. The subscribers to the list can't arbitrarily decide what can and
can't be discussed on the list.

 So then you posted after
 that and other people are taking it up again.

There was *one* other post after mine, as far as I can see.

 I like my mailbox to be under
 twohundred messages, and I'm sure other people do too, especially if its just
 stupid stuff like this.

Then this list may not be the one that is best suited for you. Don't expect
the list to conform to *your* needs.

 Is there a reason to keep it going?

Nope. Just like there is no reason to stop it. It tends to be a
conversational List. This kind of stuff happens. Delete what doesn't
interest you and move on or register your displeasure *with the ListMom*,
not on the list.

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Re: OOf PLEASE STOP THE MADNESS! PLEASE STOP THE MADNESS!

2002-07-02 Thread DavidWedge

PLEASE STOP THE MADNESS!
Somebody obviously does NOT have enough to do  in a  day. But the rest of us 
DO.. PLEASE SPARE US!

Thanks,
David

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Re: Server as Firewall

2002-07-02 Thread Ryan Coleman


Well, a) Kevin Mitnik's great prowness was less in hacking than in
social engineering, which attackes the weakest link: the users. and B)
Draper's crunchbox can be built for a hell of a lot less than
$7kwith appropriate scrounging a usable router can be bult for less
than the cost of the hardware cable routers, and be nearly as easy to
set up. I daresay that the majority of the software in that Crunchbox is
   open source stuff that theyve attached an easy-to-use interface on.

Amen. mine cost $30. And that was for the NIC. I Was given the 
computer by someone for free. A little setup with SQUID and I was all 
up and running.
I don't have a normal firewall, I have a Dual NIC box running a 
proxy. Much better as no traffic can get through.

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Re: Wallstreet battery problem revisited

2002-07-02 Thread Michael Bryan Bell

 I then bought another (Apple) battery, which worked fine for another
 year and then - same again.
 
 The third battery (Lacie) only lasted a few months.
 
 This fourth battery (VST) has just developed the same fault, and I've
 only been using it for a month or so.
 
 Batteries don't generally get a hard time from me, as I usually use
 the AC adapter. Surely I'm not getting a string of defective
 batteries?

This is just one thing to look at, but where are you getting your batteries
from?

The problem with batteries is that they have a shelf life, and will
essentially go bad. Reconditioning used to help, but not as much anymore...
Battery technology just hasn't kept up. People are actually having problems
getting good batteries for the first generation ibooks (toilet seats)
already. In one case, a company had hundreds of them that they got in and
sold to customers, only to find that they all died pretty quickly and
couldn't hold a charge well before that.

So it could just be worth looking into- ie, where are the batteries you're
getting coming from, and how old are they?


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Re: Server as Firewall

2002-07-02 Thread Michael Bryan Bell

 John Draper (the inventor) didn't invent phone phreaking
 and system breakins
 He waa Cap'n Crunch, right? (IIRC). That guy was/is hilarious. His antics
 cracked me up. Even when he got out of jail, he wanted Woz to turn the
 Apple II into the ultimate phone phreaking machine.

Actually he was hired by apple computer (through woz I believe, they met
back at homebrew) to work on a telephone board for the apple. It just so
happened that within that board he basically included the functionality of a
blue box which allowed one to generate the tones used by the phone company's
switches. Apple was run by markula at the time I believe, and once he heard
about the things capabilities he freaked out and  killed the project.

Sometime later (shortly) after the phone companies equipment had improved he
was caught by the phone companies when they noticed something like 20,000
calls coming out of his apartment to numbers that weren't even supposed to
exist. :)

 (he needed to get a life).

He was just a different sort, in a different time. He didn't invent phone
phreaking (I can't remember the guy's name who did, but it was done on a
PDP-1 mainframe back at MIT) but whereas the other guy had some hacker
scruples, cap'n crunch just loved sharing information with anyone and
anybody whether or not they wanted it to get around paying the phone company
or not.

Heh, no one I have met or anything I have read has led me to believe
anything but nice things out of the guy- except for the fact that he (at
least used to be) almost violently against smoking... Which means if I ever
met him we'd get along for about 2 hours before the addiction kicked in. :)


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Re: Server as Firewall

2002-07-02 Thread Ryan Coleman

phreaking /freek'ing/ n. [from `phone phreak'] 1. The art and 
science of cracking the phone network (so as, for example, to make 
free long-distance calls). 2. By extension, security-cracking in any 
other context (especially, but not exclusively, on communications 
networks) (see cracking).

At one time phreaking was a semi-respectable activity among hackers; 
there was a gentleman's agreement that phreaking as an intellectual 
game and a form of exploration was OK, but serious theft of services 
was taboo. There was significant crossover between the hacker 
community and the hard-core phone phreaks who ran semi-underground 
networks of their own through such media as the legendary TAP 
Newsletter. This ethos began to break down in the mid-1980s as wider 
dissemination of the techniques put them in the hands of less 
responsible phreaks. Around the same time, changes in the phone 
network made old-style technical ingenuity less effective as a way of 
hacking it, so phreaking came to depend more on overtly criminal acts 
such as stealing phone-card numbers. The crimes and punishments of 
gangs like the `414 group' turned that game very ugly. A few old-time 
hackers still phreak casually just to keep their hand in, but most 
these days have hardly even heard of `blue boxes' or any of the other 
paraphernalia of the great phreaks of yore.

http://info.astrian.net/jargon/terms/p.html

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Re: OOf

2002-07-02 Thread Jeremy Derr

On Tuesday, July 2, 2002, at 01:41 PM, Ryan Coleman wrote:

 On 7/2/02 4:00 AM, Ryan Coleman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Please read all threads before you reply. This thread was killed.

 Only the *ListMom* can kill threads.

 Just like only the *ListMom* can decide what is and what isn't 
 appropriate
 for the list.

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 Listen, smartass, listnanny's can kill and members can second kill
 requests. I requested a kill and I was seconded. AND a listnanny (I
 believe) stepped in.

 Read the FAQ again Shawn.

Dan has appointed List Nannies since he cannot see and read everything 
on all of his lists. Laurent and I are such on this list.

Comments like this, calling other list members smartass etc, (Ryan) and 
continuing a thread that has no arguable purpose (Shawn) are uncalled for.
  Please desist this thread.

Move along, these aren't the droids we're looking for.

Jeremy
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Re: Server as Firewall

2002-07-02 Thread Bruce Johnson

Ryan Coleman wrote:

 
 Amen. mine cost $30. And that was for the NIC. I Was given the 
 computer by someone for free. A little setup with SQUID and I was all 
 up and running.
 I don't have a normal firewall, I have a Dual NIC box running a 
 proxy. Much better as no traffic can get through.
 

eyberows raised NO traffic???

Perhaps You're running with Scissors(TM)...;-)

http://www.dumbentia.com/pdflib/scissors.pdf

(which hangs above my desk, next to three pages from a despair.com 
calendar : Laziness(Success is a journey, not a destination...so stop 
running), Ineptitude (If you can't learn to do something well, learn 
to enjoy doing it poorly) and Idiocy (Never underestimate the power of 
stupid people in large groups)

Looking further on the Crunchbox site, it's pretty clearly a fanatically 
clamped-down BSD dual-nic firewall system also running Snort, and some 
custom software gluing it to a web-based interface.

Pretty slick, tho'

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Powerbook g3 HD...went with the IBM 40GB for $144 shipped

2002-07-02 Thread Dwight Hines


 From: Gene Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Powerbook g3 HD...went with the IBM 40GB for $144 shipped
 Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 15:30:27 +
 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 Just an FYI if anyone cares. :-)
 
 I ordered the 40GB 4200rpm 9.5mm IBM hard drive for my powerbook
 firewire/pismo from newegg.com. Total was $144 shipped.

I care.  How are you going to dump your present disk onto it?  Are you going
to put your present internal drive into a case and use it as a secondary
device?
I assume you have a pismo.
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Re: Powerbook g3 HD...went with the IBM 40GB for $144 shipped

2002-07-02 Thread makmac

Dwight Hines on 7/2/02 3:52 PM wrote:

 Just an FYI if anyone cares. :-)
 
 I ordered the 40GB 4200rpm 9.5mm IBM hard drive for my powerbook
 firewire/pismo from newegg.com. Total was $144 shipped.
 
 I care.  How are you going to dump your present disk onto it?  Are you going
 to put your present internal drive into a case and use it as a secondary
 device?
 I assume you have a pismo.
 d
 
Good question. I put my old drive in a FireWire external. Works great, both
in OSX 9  X. Here is the one I got (actually I have two of them), although
I paid $46 for mine and now they're down to just $36.
 http://www.compgeeks.com/details.asp?invtid=064-040036

The only issue I have is the cable length. It's 6 foot long but I use it
just inches from my iBook so I have this big coil next to me which is always
in the way. Does anybody know of a short cable I can get, maybe 6-12 inches?

-makmac


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Re: Net/DSL Troubleshooting

2002-07-02 Thread Michael Bryan Bell

 What's an effective way to trouble-shoot Goldilocks DSL?

I think you're being way too technical with all this troubleshooting,
instead of letting the company take care of the problem.

If I remember correctly, doesn't Goldilocks offer a fairly simple
troubleshooting package involving 3 bears and some porridge?

*ba dum bum* Yeah, bet their tech support has never heard that one before.

To echo kevin, chances are the problem just isn't on your end at all... It
could be any number of things. I use a cable modem but also a T1 and DSL
depending on where I'm at during the week. The cable modem can actually beat
the T1 in throughput sometimes, but the T1 never just disappears. Consumer
DSL and cable service can just be flaky as hell. About the best consumer
broadband solutions I've had experience with has been speakeasy, but they're
pretty pricey. My cable modem will drop down to modem speeds or need to be
reset every few days or so, sometimes once a day. They just aren't made to
be enterprise class services.

Some things to watch out for- is there a fairly normal pattern to the
outages? Ie, once a week, or once a day and then it comes right back up
within 15 minutes? Do web and email die but other things can get through ok
(such as FTP/AIM/icq)? If some things are getting through, then it could be
related to a DNS issue... But chances are it's not.

 Any thoughts? Whta sort of assistance might I look for?

Probably not a whole lot. It probably definitely has to do with their
network, there just isn't a whole you can do except call and complain and
hope enough others do that they end up checking out the problem.

Bruce's suggestion about your DSL modem possibly flaking out is a good one,
a friend of mine had his motorola surfboard replaced 5 times before he got
reliable service.


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Re: bickering on a list.

2002-07-02 Thread Mick Ring

on 7/2/02 11:46, Ryan Coleman at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Shawn = Ignorant bean counter.

Regardless of your relationship with Dan, this seems a little out of line...

-Mick
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Re: bickering on a list.

2002-07-02 Thread Michael Bryan Bell

 Shawn = Ignorant bean counter.
 
 Regardless of your relationship with Dan, this seems a little out of line...


Damn straight.



Everyone =knows= Shawn can't count.





J/k shawn. ;)



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Re: bickering on a list

2002-07-02 Thread James Rohde

On 7/2/02 3:06 PM Shawn King edified us all by writing:

Once you are on the list for a while, you'll realize this sort of thing
happens all the time. Not only is it *solely* the ListMom's job to police
the list, the ListMom has allowed these kinds of off topic discussions in
the past and most likely will into the future.
So is that like Calvin  Hobbs' Dictator for Life??

conversational List. This kind of stuff happens. Delete what doesn't
interest you and move on or register your displeasure *with the ListMom*,
not on the list.
Hard to do in digest mode...

Yeah, yeah, there goes my subscription to *this* list... ;-)

How about something more productive to discuss, people (and DFL)?

Jim Rohde



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Re: Server as Firewall

2002-07-02 Thread James Rohde

On 7/2/02 3:06 PM Ryan Coleman edified us all by writing:

...
phreaking /freek'ing/ n. [from `phone phreak'] 1. The art and 
science of cracking the phone network (so as, for example, to make 
free long-distance calls). 2. By extension, security-cracking in any 
other context (especially, but not exclusively, on communications 
networks) (see cracking).
...

Excellent (condensed) history and explanation, Ryan - best outside of 
some 2600 articles I've (allegedly) read in local bookstores (only 
allegedly, in case some offical types are monitoring this list)... :-)

Jim Rohde



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