Re: G4 spill damage

2002-11-23 Thread wappling
Re; A pharoh who eats crackers in bed, is a crumby mummy :)
I'll be quiet now,,lol


 In my computer classes one of the first rules is Do Not Have Any Liquid
 That Could Spill Near The Computers, which most people ignore when at home,
 but not in my lab! Any liquid spilled on a computer could destroy the entire
 computer, no matter what brand or type of computer it is.
 


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Re: Beerbook/Spill Damage

2002-11-23 Thread wappling
RE; perhaps, but I should mention lightning damage(florida) homeowners
policy and insurance on lightning protection devices cover such a low (used)
percentage amount,also at the cost of a raised insurance rate,coverage for
electronics damage is poor at best,theft and fire are quite a bit better.but
thats here, where you are may be very different.  best wishes


 Is it common for both homeowners AND apartment insurance to cover
 mishaps other than fire or theft
 when it comes to replacing computers?
 How strict is the burden of proof? If someone spills beer, water, etc
 on
 a computer, this is considered a valid claim?
 This makes me think I should consider apartment insurance.
 Donald
 On Friday, November 22, 2002, at 03:48 PM, Bruce Mitchell wrote:
 
 So submit a claim to your insurance company and see what happens.



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Re: Secure Delete

2002-11-23 Thread Tivo
 
 I have ordered Secure Delete and will let you know how it works
 http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/0204/09.securedelete.php
 
 Geoff
 
Ah, great; please do.


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Re: G4 spill damage

2002-11-23 Thread wappling
RE; I think(my opinion) both smalldog and macreqQ,, you can replace the
entire machine for less,gut or sell old one maybe for parts


 Well, while ripping my bartender's CDs to my Powerbook 550 I spilled some
 beer on the keyboard. Tekserve has cleaned it up and says the logic board
 must be replaced to the tune of over $600. Wow, expensive beer. Tekserve has
 been very helpful, but I'm just wondering if anyone has experience with this
 sort of thing (logic board replacement, not beer spillage) and has advice;
 such as finding cheaper parts, etc.
 
 Thanks much,
 Matthew
 NYC
 



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Re: Wallstreet acting flaky

2002-11-23 Thread Jon Glass
on 11/22/02 3:57 PM, Seth Austen at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Thanks for that suggestion, that appears to have been the problem! Palm had
 installed some instant palm desktop feature in the menu bar, I have disabled
 that extension, and everything has been running fine for three days since,
 except for the occasional IE crash (but that is normal).

Honestly, I'm more surprised than you are! :-) Pity that you have to lose
the menu, however... Is it possible that there is a newer version of the
extension that you could use? Or do you not use this feature? Is it possible
to turn off the menu while keeping its functions? I know on Now Contact and
Up to Date (where I had the identical problem, which is what tipped me off)
I could turn off the menu part, but keep most of the functionality of the
menus.
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Re: G4 spill damage

2002-11-23 Thread Jon Glass
on 11/23/02 3:24 AM, Dan Knight at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 We've lost both an Acer laptop and a WallStreet over the last two years
 due to soft drink spills. I've also salvaged every single external
 keyboard that someone has spilled on by unplugging it, rinsing it under
 water, and letting it dry overnight. No such luck with laptops, though.

In spite of my encouragements to my wife to keep drinks away from her
laptop, she has had three or four spills onto her keyboard. It's been
different things--sweet tea (iced tea) pepsi, and hot tea. Each time, she
shut off her computer immediately, and I was forced to take her keyboard
apart. Once was on her Duo, and twice on her PB 1400 (It has a g3 card so it
belongs on this list) :-) Anyway, the Duo was a simple fix, because the
keyboard is so cheaply built. :-) The 1400 surprised me, however. It appears
that the keyboard in that thing can trap a fair amount of liquid, and not
let any of it escape onto the mobo below, or drip into the actual actuators
inside. It is a marvel of engineering. I was quite surprised at how well it
holds liquid. The last time I had it out, I purposely poured clean water on
it to see how much it would hold, and it was quite a lot. The problem is
getting the liquid out without spilling it! I used kleenex and Q-tips to get
the liquid out, and it seems to work well. I wonder if other, newer models
have these little dams built into them? If that's the case, then turning
off the laptop very quickly and not moving it would be the best thing to
do...
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Re: Beerbook/Spill Damage

2002-11-23 Thread Andrew Main
Some years back a friend/client tried washing his keyboard in water; 
when it didn't work afterward he gave it to me. I put it in a box 
with some other junk, and a year later found it worked fine. Just 
needed to dry out. Most important, I think, if anything gets wet, is 
to _immediately_ remove all power, then take apart and clean if you 
can, then let it dry out as long and as well as possible. Here in New 
Mexico - where I never have to dry my dishes - that isn't hard, but 
in damper climates it'd probably be best to err on the side of 
excess. I'm surprised Dan could resurrect keyboards with only 
overnight drying.

Andrew Main

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Re: Secure Delete

2002-11-23 Thread Gene Merritt


Geoffrey Loeffler wrote:

On Friday, Nov 22, 2002, at 08:05 US/Alaska, Tivo wrote:

  

Aladdin Systems, maker of Stuffit has a product called Secure Delete.
  

Does anyone have personal or experiential knowledge about this 
product's
efficiency?




It's worked fine for me.


Gene

  

  




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Migrating unresponsive key in Pismo

2002-11-23 Thread Dwight Hines

For a couple of weeks, it was my s key, lower case and caps, that was about
impossible to make a mark with.  Then the problem migrated to the F key,
lower case and caps.  Now I don't know where the nonresponsive key is
located.  It may be reloading.

What does this mean?

dh


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Re: Keyboards key names

2002-11-23 Thread Andrew Main
Dan Knight wrote:

History: In the beginning was the splat/open apple/command key. It was
simple. And it was good. And it was inadequate, so with the advent of the
Plus (if memory serves), the option key was added to the keyboard --
along with other nice keys like Escape.

Thanks to programs like SoftPC and DOS cards, Apple began marking alt on
the Option key, but always in smaller type. This was to accommodate
DOS/Windows users. For Mac users, the three keys beside the spacebar are
Control, Option, and Command.

Tho I hesitate to correct our generous host, this history is not 
quite correct. With reference to my extensive collection of old Mac 
keyboards (all mentioned are beside me as I write):

The original Macintosh keyboard (128k/512k model M0110) had option 
and command keys to the left of the spacebar, and enter and option 
keys to the right. The option key has always been necessary for 
typing extended characters, such as accents, etc. The original 
command key had only the splat (I call it a cloverleaf, which it 
looks like, and which name has also some distant association with the 
fact that the symbol was borrowed from Swedish highway maps, where 
it represents point of interest); the hollow apple was a later 
addition.

The Mac Plus keyboard (M0110A), which added a numerical keypad on the 
right, moved the enter key to the lower right corner of the latter, 
and removed the right option key, making room for the \ | key and 
arrow keys to the right of the spacebar. The now-empty space formerly 
occupied by the \ | key was covered by making the return key 
L-shaped, I dunno why: it would have made more sense to leave the \ | 
key where it was and leave the second option key to the right of the 
spacebar. Thus began the Apple tradition of irrational keyboard 
design. To the left of the spacebar are option and command keys, like 
in the previous model but larger.

The first Apple Keyboard (M0116), which came with the SE and Mac 
II, has the \ | key and all four arrow keys to the right of the 
spacebar; to the left of the spacebar are (in order from the corner) 
caps lock, option, command (with the hollow apple added), and ` ~. 
Caps lock's previous position to the left of A was now occupied by a 
control key, whose function was rather a mystery as very few Mac apps 
(nor the System) made any use of this DOS key. Also added was the esc 
key - another DOS import that initially had little or no use on the 
Mac - in the upper left corner where ` ~ used to be.

Next in the family was the Apple Extended Keyboard; I don't have one 
right at hand, so don't know exactly how it was configured, in 
particular if if had the alt on the option key. See the Extended 
Keyboard II below.

The Apple Keyboard II (M0487), my all-time favorite, appeared with 
the Classic/LC/IIsi generation. It put caps lock back in the spot to 
the left of A, so the keys to the left of the spacebar are control, 
option and command. It also switched the ` ~ and esc, the former back 
in the upper left, the latter to the right of the spacebar, followed 
by the four arrow keys.

Next came the unlamented Apple Design Keyboard (M2980), a piece of 
junk IMO, both because of its shoddy construction and because of its 
design. This was in the era of the rabbit Performas, so many Mac 
models nobody could keep them straight. Also the time when Apple 
seemed to be responding to the perennial complaints about Macs being 
more expensive than PCs (why is it nobody complains about Mercedes 
being more expensive than Ford?) by giving the people what they 
seemed to want, e.g. a crummy cheap PC-style keyboard with all those 
extra keys (function, home, page-up, etc.) that most Mac users don't 
need. Apple already offered the Extended Keyboard for those who did 
need the extra keys, but now the excellent Keyboard II was 
discontinued, and every Mac buyer was given the same huge keyboard 
whether we wanted it or not.

I believe this was also the first standard Mac keyboard that had 
the little alt on the upper left corner of the option key; at the 
time I assumed it was, like the Design Keyboard as a whole, an effort 
to make Windoze users feel at home on their new Macs, since alt has 
never had any meaning in the Mac environment.

The Extended Keyboard II (M3501), like the original Extended, has the 
PC-standard row of function keys at the top, with the esc key at its 
left end, and another palette with the arrow keys and home, page up, 
etc. keys. The main keyboard section has control, option and command 
to the left of the spacebar, and command, option and control to the 
right. The tiny alt appears in the upper left corner of the option 
key.

The Apple USB Keyboard (M2452), aka iMac keyboard, is essentially a 
reprise of the Keyboard II, a compact keyboard that has everything 
most Mac users need. By now the key layout has pretty well 
stabilized, with control, option and command keys to the left of the 
spacebar, and command and arrow keys to the 

Re: wiping hard drive clean

2002-11-23 Thread Thomas Ethen
There was just a issue raised on the local TV station last week about this
very topic, concerning Government HD's that were going to surplus sales and
the safety of information that was previously on the drives.

The conclusion of the story was that in order to be completely safe, the
drive has to be destroyed physically and that no program will give you
complete security from someone that really wants your information. A drive
recovery company or the Fed's, can get your info if they want it no matter
what program you run to erase the drive, so I guess it is a matter of how
worried (paranoid, works too) about your data, as to what you need to do.

Obviously, if you need to send the drive back for replacement, you will have
to do the best you can with the programs that are out there and probably be
completely safe! 

Tom

 There is software available for the very thing I wanted., Imagine
 that, other people want this and it even comes in OS 9 and X. I am very
 thankful for the people who lead me to the information I needed, they
 were kind and considerate.  


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Re: wiping hard drive clean

2002-11-23 Thread Thomas Ethen
on 11/23/02 12:57 AM, Laurent Daudelin at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 Folks,
 
 Can we move on to something more important? That thread is not leading
 anywhere.
 
 Come on, those are not the droids you're looking for.
 
 -Laurent.
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Sorry Laurent, I sent my reply before I read you post!

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Re: Secure Delete

2002-11-23 Thread James Rohde
Noticed mention in an ADC e-mail today about FWB's Privacy Toolkit. 
Anyone familiar with their other products or on this specific program? 
See:

http://www.fwb.com/html/privacy_toolkit.html

I'm also enclosing some clipped text from the page. Those of you who are 
interested might want to go look this up.

HTH,

Jim Rohde


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NEW!!! Privacy Toolkit v1.5
Limited Time Offer $23.95 - NOW SHIPPING!!!


Easy-to-use encryption and shredding software protects against 
unauthorized access.

Mac OS X Support
Streamlined User Interface
Bullet proof Encryption
File and Folder Encryption
Up to 50 passes shredding
Free Decryptor utility


 [pictures of interface are here ]


Presenting FWB's privacy product line--Privacy Toolkit Volume One. 
Privacy Toolkit is a trio of easy-to-use applications designed to protect 
your data against unauthorized access.

Privacy Toolkit Encryptor allows you to take files or folders and convert 
them to an encrypted secure, Internet friendly archive that can be 
stored on your computer or sent to a friend without worrying about prying 
eyes. Your personal data gets translated into a secure format using 
either the well-known BlowFish algorithm or the proprietary SubRosa 
encryption engine. The free Decryptor can be download here for recipients 
of files and folders encrypted with Privacy Toolkit.

Privacy Toolkit Shredder allows you to securely erase files from your 
computer. Dragging your files into the trash-can and emptying will not 
remove your files completely. The files can still be recovered with 
software or hardware. Much like the common office shredder, Privacy 
Toolkit Shredder will take any document you throw into the trash-can and 
turn it into pulp. When Shredder goes to work, it overwrites the entire 
contents of the files with an industry recognized secure pattern, thereby 
reducing the chance of recovering the deleted files to zero.

Privacy ToolKit--keep your data private.

Built to Support

Bullet proof 128-bit and rolling derivative keys encryption.
Industy acclaimed BlowFish Encryption algorithm.
Drag and Drop encrytion and shredding.
Supports both file/Folder encryption
Multi-pass overwrite file/folder shredding

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Catalog B Tree 3 error on CD-RW

2002-11-23 Thread John Fox
Hi Listers:

I recently bought an Iomega Zip CD 650 4x4x6 drive from TigerDirect.com 
and I have been in heaven ever since ripping copies of my mp3s.  
However, the software (Toast 4) that came bundled with it is for OS 9 
and can be run in Classic.  The problem is that I won't recognize my 
CD-RW drive so I can't do any burning except for mp3s in iTunes.

Is there a way that I can get Toast to recognize my drive (it searches 
on the system bus, but alas, it cannot find it)?  I tried burning CDs 
using Apple's built in capabilities with Jaguar (10.2.2).  It will go 
all the way to the last process called Verifying Disc and it tells me 
there is an unexpected error and will quit.  When I use the Disk 
Utiity, and verify, it tells me there is a Catalog B Tree 3 error.  
What the heck does this mean?

Anyone that can help, I'd greatly appreciate it.  Thanks in advance!!

- John


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Re: Catalog B Tree 3 error on CD-RW

2002-11-23 Thread Thomas Ethen
I have the same drive and Iomega told me that they don't support Toast in
anything over 9.0 with their USB-2 drives. Neither Toast 4 or Toast 5 will
see the Iomega drive, but my PM/8600, OS 8.6 sees it just fine in both 4 and
5, so what they told me seems to be the case.

Tom

on 11/23/02 9:46 AM, John Fox at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi Listers:
 
 I recently bought an Iomega Zip CD 650 4x4x6 drive from TigerDirect.com
 and I have been in heaven ever since ripping copies of my mp3s.
 However, the software (Toast 4) that came bundled with it is for OS 9
 and can be run in Classic.  The problem is that I won't recognize my
 CD-RW drive so I can't do any burning except for mp3s in iTunes.


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Re: powerbook opinion

2002-11-23 Thread Laurent Daudelin
on 23/11/02 02:08, wappling at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi all,Im seriously looking at a new laptop,my most logical choice is a new
 I-book 800 12in screen at about 11:00 to 12:00 hundred range,howver the
 powerbook at 2000 is I think beutiful,besides the larger screen and made of
 metal,is there any other real advantages to it over the I-book?,I mean 8:00
 hundred dollars worth? thankyou for opinions helping me decide,though
 finances will probaly rule.

I love my PowerBook 2000. It has style. However, I don't know what you mean
with made of metal. I mean, the case is all made of plastic. I don't know
which kind of plastic, but plastic anyway. The is definitely a frame inside
that is probably made of some metal (magnesium?), but I don't think that the
PowerBook 2000 has more metal than the iBook. Now, does it feel sturdier
than the iBook? I don't know, I never had the latest iBook in my hands...

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Re: Serve It Up

2002-11-23 Thread Bruce Johnson

On Friday, November 22, 2002, at 10:47  PM, Michael Richardson wrote:

 once I get there the problems begin. This is what I
 have right now:
   UW PICO(tm)File:httpd.confModified

   I then do ^W(ctrl-W) to get the search line. After
 this, I type in php and then hit enter. It then says
 php not found. The message php not found is
 directly above the menu with ^G Get Help ^O WriteOut
 etc. Maybe you guys can tell me whats going on with
 this. I'm thinking maybe a permissions issue or
 incorrect directory.

When you first start pico does it have this at the top of the file?

##
## httpd.conf -- Apache HTTP server configuration file
##

If not, you're not in the right directory, or something's messed up 
with your system installation, or the configuration file was 
accidentally deleted or overwritten.

Make sure, before you started pico, you did a 'cd /etc/httpd' command, 
because if pico doesn't find a file of the right name in the current 
directory it starts a new file with the name you give it, so the top 
bar will look right at the 'file:' part.

Before you do the pico command, do a 'pwd' command...it should print 
'/private/etc/httpd' . (yes, I know you went to /etc/httpd in the cd 
command above, but that was like clicking on an alias of a folder. 
/etc/httpd is a link, a Unix version of an alias to the actual 
directory /private/etc/httpd.)

If you're not there do the 'cd /etc/httpd' command. Do an 'ls' command, 
you should see the following:

[Bruce-Johnsons-Computer:/] johnson% cd /etc/httpd

[Bruce-Johnsons-Computer:/etc/httpd] johnson% ls
httpd.conf  httpd.conf.default  magic.default   
mime.types.default
httpd.conf.bak  magic   mime.types  users

If you see this, but don't see httpd.conf, something's messed up. Do 
'cp httpd.conf.default httpd.conf' to make a new copy to edit.

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Re: Catalog B Tree 3 error on CD-RW

2002-11-23 Thread Bruce Johnson

On Saturday, November 23, 2002, at 08:46  AM, John Fox wrote:

 Hi Listers:

 I recently bought an Iomega Zip CD 650 4x4x6 drive from TigerDirect.com
 and I have been in heaven ever since ripping copies of my mp3s.
 However, the software (Toast 4) that came bundled with it is for OS 9
 and can be run in Classic.  The problem is that I won't recognize my
 CD-RW drive so I can't do any burning except for mp3s in iTunes.

If you have CD burner enabled, then Toast doesn't work because the CD 
Burner extensions have loaded first., blocking Toast's access to the 
drive. Try renaming the Toast extension with a space at the beginning 
of the name, to force it to load first. IIRC this is what's needed. 
(There's some mention of this in apple's Knowledge Base)

That said, if you install the CD authoring extensions and idisk burner 
in OS9 (which is separate from iTunes) you should be able to make data 
cd's just by sticking the blank CD in the drive. It worked with mine 
under both OS 9 and OS X.

   I tried burning CDs
 using Apple's built in capabilities with Jaguar (10.2.2).  It will go
 all the way to the last process called Verifying Disc and it tells me
 there is an unexpected error and will quit.

Try plugging the drive directly to a usb port, instead of through a 
hub, and try a different brand of CDR. I had that happen to me a couple 
of times with mine. Also, it really didn't like other USB devices being 
used on the same port...which may be why plugging it right into the 
card worked, my hub has a couple of other things plugged into it.

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Re: Migrating unresponsive key in Pismo

2002-11-23 Thread Bruce Johnson

On Saturday, November 23, 2002, at 05:47  AM, Dwight Hines wrote:


 For a couple of weeks, it was my s key, lower case and caps, that was 
 about
 impossible to make a mark with.  Then the problem migrated to the F 
 key,
 lower case and caps.  Now I don't know where the nonresponsive key is
 located.  It may be reloading.

 What does this mean?

Some migrating piece of gunk under your keys on the keyboard preventing 
them from closing completely?

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Re: CDR/DVD drive failure on TiBook

2002-11-23 Thread R. Hannes Niedner
On 11/22/02 6:58 PM, P.F.Grenier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 On Friday, Nov 22, 2002, at 21:48 US/Eastern, R. Hannes Niedner wrote:
 
 On 11/22/02 6:41 PM, P.F.Grenier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Have you tried the manual eject button?
 
 Where is that located on the slot loading TiBook?
 
 /h
 
 Right most end of the CD slot.
 

I can't find anything neither right, left, above or under the slot. I am
looking for something that looks like a hole , like on the pismo.

I have a TiBook 667 GHz Ethernet Port and I thought that this model maybe
does not have a manual eject?

/h


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Re: Secure Delete

2002-11-23 Thread Gene Merritt
There's also SAFE SHRED :

http://www.codetek.com/php/safeshred.php

Codetek offers a suite of apps which also includes
SAFE CLEAN and SAFE FILE.

I downloaded SAFE SHRED and liked it but
SECURE DELETE was offerred for free with
Spring Cleaning 5, which i was already ordering, so I went
with that.

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Re: powerbook opinion

2002-11-23 Thread Bruce Johnson

On Saturday, November 23, 2002, at 12:08  AM, wappling wrote:

 Hi all,Im seriously looking at a new laptop,my most logical choice is 
 a new
 I-book 800 12in screen at about 11:00 to 12:00 hundred range,howver the
 powerbook at 2000 is I think beutiful,besides the larger screen and 
 made of
 metal,is there any other real advantages to it over the I-book?,I mean 
 8:00
 hundred dollars worth? thankyou for opinions helping me decide,though
 finances will probaly rule.

The Powerbook has a larger screen, an 867 MHz G4 instead of a G3, and 
allows an attached monitor to span your desktop instead of just mirror 
the screen. It comes with twice the memory and faster video. and a 
third again larger hard drive (40gb vs 30), and gigabit ethernet vs 
10/100 in the iBook.

The iBook is cheaper, sturdier,(imo, this is just from handling some of 
each), slightly lighter, and nearly as fast. (though the Altivec in the 
G4 does speed up OSX somewhat, and certainly will make a difference in 
apps that use it, like iTunes and Photoshop)

The iBook has all of it's connections off the side of the system, 
instead of in back. This is both good and bad...it's a big pain if 
youre connected to a bunch of stuff, when the space where you put books 
and papers is taken up by cables, but it's more of a hassle to get at 
them in the Powerbook.

Since I'd personally consider the 14 iBook, that would narrow the gap 
considerably, and make it a much harder choice.

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Re: CDR/DVD drive failure on TiBook

2002-11-23 Thread Laurent Daudelin
on 23/11/02 12:43, R. Hannes Niedner at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On 11/22/02 6:58 PM, P.F.Grenier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
 On Friday, Nov 22, 2002, at 21:48 US/Eastern, R. Hannes Niedner wrote:
 
 On 11/22/02 6:41 PM, P.F.Grenier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Have you tried the manual eject button?
 
 Where is that located on the slot loading TiBook?
 
 /h
 
 Right most end of the CD slot.
 
 
 I can't find anything neither right, left, above or under the slot. I am
 looking for something that looks like a hole , like on the pismo.
 
 I have a TiBook 667 GHz Ethernet Port and I thought that this model maybe
 does not have a manual eject?

Did you try restarting while maintaining the mouse button down? In previous
systems, you could do that and any disk would eject.

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Re: Re Spill damage.

2002-11-23 Thread Paul Nicholson
At 10:18 PM -0600 11/22/02, Jeremy Derr wrote:
also, you suggested that someone might use a blow dryer to dry off a
wet circuit board. this is incorrect, and horribly bad advice. the
added heat of the blow dryer can damage chips in the same way that
lingering with a solder iron while soldering might --

I suggested using a hair dryer. The air doesn't get hot enough to cause any harm. 
Circuit boards are soldered in ovens that get hot enough to melt solder, and 
semiconductor die safely withstand these temperatures, provided they are of short 
duration. Can you imagine what those temperatures would do to your hair?

Semiconductors are rated for continuous operation at die temperatures over 100 C, the 
boiling point of water. You won't be able to get these temperatures out of a hair 
dryer.

Be careful with industrial hot air guns, some of them get hot enough to melt solder, 
indeed they are useful for removing surface mount chips. If you want to dry the board 
quickly, bring to just over 100C (212F) with an industrial hot air gun. For the 
cognoscenti only! You will be guaranteed to have no liquid water on it. If you get it 
too hot you can start melting solder, which you don't want to do.

 and there's an
added risk, too. the air flowing out of many blow dryers may have a
slight electric charge. some chips are not tolerant of static
electricity. strike that. MOST chips are not tolerant of static
electricity.

Static damage only occurs when a static charge sparks to a component lead and causes a 
breakdown of an insulator, say an oxide gate on a CMOS transistor. Blowing hot air on 
a board is simply not going to this, unless you are using a hair dryer connected to a 
telsa coil that throws out sparks to your board.

The typical cause of static damage is a human walking across a carpet and drawing a 
spark from a component lead to their finger. If you are holding the board in your hand 
with skin contact to the circuitry as you dry it with a hair dryer there is no 
possibility that a charge can build up in the board relative to your body.

 why do you think most service techs ground themselves
thoroughly before handling electronics components?

A good practice indeed, unless of course the board is charged and the tech is not. 
Remember, it is the relative difference in charge that causes the spark, not the 
absolute charge. When transferring boards from person to person, touch the other 
person skin to skin before touching the board.

If two people walked across the carpet in a heated room on a dry winter day and are 
charged to the max, they can still safely pass a board to each other provided they are 
both at the same charge, which is first established by skin to skin contact.

Paul

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Re: Re Spill damage.

2002-11-23 Thread Paul Nicholson
At 8:45 PM -0800 11/22/02, Bruce Mitchell wrote:

I assumed I had inadvertently
pushed some drops of water around to places they should not have been let to
make contact. It frankly never occurred to me that the hair dryer itself
could do damage. Never again!

This doesn't make sense. Did you have power on or the battery installed when you did 
this?

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Re: CDR/DVD drive failure on TiBook

2002-11-23 Thread R. Hannes Niedner
On 11/23/02 10:09 AM, Laurent Daudelin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 I have a TiBook 667 GHz Ethernet Port and I thought that this model maybe
 does not have a manual eject?
 
 Did you try restarting while maintaining the mouse button down? In previous
 systems, you could do that and any disk would eject.
 
 -Laurent.

Just rebooted for the xth time with the mouse button down - nothing comes
out and the drive make no sound at all. I assume it died and will bring the
TiBook to our local Apple dealer. I guess will be without it for a week :-(.

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Re: Secure Delete

2002-11-23 Thread Tivo
 SECURE DELETE

Since folks are continuing this thread (I was afraid to go forth, for fear
of the gallows), how's about response to one post that labeled such programs
worthless because they don't really DELETE? Do they or don¹t they?


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missing disc space

2002-11-23 Thread chris thornton
Hello,

Suddenly half of my hard drive space has disappeared. I was wondering if 
this is a bug in 10.2.2 and if anyone has any recomendations to get my 
space back. I tried running DiskWarrior but it didn't help, also tried 
running the latest Virex in case it's a virus but it found nothing. 

Machine is 500mhz ibook running 10.2.2 with no other os's on this drive.

Thanks,
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Re: wiping hard drive clean

2002-11-23 Thread Obi-Wan
On 11/23/02 6:51 AM, Thomas Ethen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Spew into the
Cybertrough:

 There was just a issue raised on the local TV station last week about this
 very topic, concerning Government HD's that were going to surplus sales and
 the safety of information that was previously on the drives.
 
 The conclusion of the story was that in order to be completely safe, the
 drive has to be destroyed physically and that no program will give you
 complete security from someone that really wants your information.

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Re: wiping hard drive clean

2002-11-23 Thread Obi-Wan
On 11/23/02 6:53 AM, Thomas Ethen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Spew into the
Cybertrough:

 on 11/23/02 12:57 AM, Laurent Daudelin at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 
 Folks,
 
 Can we move on to something more important? That thread is not leading
 anywhere.
 
 Come on, those are not the droids you're looking for.
 
 -Laurent.
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 Sorry Laurent, I sent my reply before I read you post!

I allowed this thread to continue so that Geoffrey and others could chime in
and get their say.   Laurent and I are the nannies for this list, and he
asked that it end (in a rather jeremy kind of way..he he).

I will second the notion and declare this thread dead.

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Re: wiping hard drive clean

2002-11-23 Thread Keith Ronan
Thank You Obi Wan and Laurent .. :-)



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On 11/23/02 3:32 PM, Obi-Wan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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 on 11/23/02 12:57 AM, Laurent Daudelin at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 
 Folks,
 
 Can we move on to something more important? That thread is not leading
 anywhere.
 
 Come on, those are not the droids you're looking for.
 
 -Laurent.
 G-Books list nanny
 
 Sorry Laurent, I sent my reply before I read you post!
 
 I allowed this thread to continue so that Geoffrey and others could chime in
 and get their say.   Laurent and I are the nannies for this list, and he
 asked that it end (in a rather jeremy kind of way..he he).
 
 I will second the notion and declare this thread dead.
 
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Re: powerbook opinion

2002-11-23 Thread Jeremy Derr
On Saturday, November 23, 2002, at 10:40 AM, Laurent Daudelin wrote:

 on 23/11/02 02:08, wappling at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi all,Im seriously looking at a new laptop,my most logical choice is 
 a new
 I-book 800 12in screen at about 11:00 to 12:00 hundred range,howver 
 the
 powerbook at 2000 is I think beutiful,besides the larger screen and 
 made of
 metal,is there any other real advantages to it over the I-book?,I 
 mean 8:00
 hundred dollars worth? thankyou for opinions helping me decide,though
 finances will probaly rule.

 I love my PowerBook 2000. It has style. However, I don't know what you 
 mean
 with made of metal. I mean, the case is all made of plastic. I don't 
 know
 which kind of plastic, but plastic anyway. The is definitely a frame 
 inside
 that is probably made of some metal (magnesium?), but I don't think 
 that the
 PowerBook 2000 has more metal than the iBook. Now, does it feel 
 sturdier
 than the iBook? I don't know, I never had the latest iBook in my 
 hands...

i think he was talking about the price :)

IMHO, it all depends on what you're doing with it, as to whether the 
extra cost is worth it.

if you're playing a few games, browsing the web, and checking email 
mostly, with small smatterings of iMovie thrown in for good measure, 
the iBook is a great option at a great value.

if you're spending most of your time in content creation apps 
(PhotoShop, iMovie, Quark, Final Cut Pro), then the PowerBook G4 is the 
way to go.


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Re: Floppys on Jaguar

2002-11-23 Thread Jeremy Derr
On Saturday, November 23, 2002, at 03:36 PM, Tony Simons wrote:

 I have upgraded my wallstreet II to Jaguar and it runs really well
 apart from a couple of problems.
 I  can't access the floppy module from Jaguar and the Zip drive module
 only now works in Jaguar not in 9.2
 Any ideas anyone?

the built in floppy drive is not supported in OS X. Apple hasn't 
supported floppies in ages

check out kbase article #106234 on Apple's site.


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iBook (white) Firewire Port Failure

2002-11-23 Thread Larry Blodgett
I have discovered that my firewire port appears to have failed.  I 
have tried everything I can think of in OS 9.2.2 and OS 10.2.1.  Can 
mount anything (harddisks, CDs) .  When I try to mount the iBook 
drive on another machine (command T starup), I get the firewire logo 
but it does not mount on a know good G4.  Has anyone else experienced 
a failure like this an how much does  it cost to repair??  Any 
help would be appreciated.  I can't believe my firewire is dead, 
firewire is my life.
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Re: wiping hard drive clean

2002-11-23 Thread John Haumann

On Saturday, November 23, 2002, at 02:19 AM, Obi-Wan wrote:

 I am not saying that this thread, or your concern, is invalid... or 
 even
 that your question is invalid.  What I am saying is that you are not 
 EVER
 guaranteed safety of data without destroying the drive...basically.


OK Obi-Wan, you've said it, now it's time to take it off-list.  The 
time for this thread to provide any useful help seems to have passed.

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Re: Floppys on Jaguar

2002-11-23 Thread Tony Simons

On Saturday, November 23, 2002, at 10:01  pm, Jeremy Derr wrote:

 On Saturday, November 23, 2002, at 03:36 PM, Tony Simons wrote:

 I have upgraded my wallstreet II to Jaguar and it runs really well
 apart from a couple of problems.
 I  can't access the floppy module from Jaguar and the Zip drive module
 only now works in Jaguar not in 9.2
 Any ideas anyone?

 the built in floppy drive is not supported in OS X. Apple hasn't
 supported floppies in ages

 check out kbase article #106234 on Apple's site.

Thanks

Not worried about the floppy but I would really like to get the zip 
drive working under 9.2. It did work until I used it on Jaguar and now 
it only works under Jaguar.




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Re: CDR/DVD drive failure on TiBook

2002-11-23 Thread Obi-Wan
On 11/23/02 10:23 AM, R. Hannes Niedner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Spew into
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 On 11/23/02 10:09 AM, Laurent Daudelin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 
 I have a TiBook 667 GHz Ethernet Port and I thought that this model maybe
 does not have a manual eject?
 
 Did you try restarting while maintaining the mouse button down? In previous
 systems, you could do that and any disk would eject.
 
 -Laurent.
 
 Just rebooted for the xth time with the mouse button down - nothing comes
 out and the drive make no sound at all. I assume it died and will bring the
 TiBook to our local Apple dealer. I guess will be without it for a week :-(.

You can force it to eject in Open Firmware.

Restart the computer and immediately after the startup sound, press and hold
the key combination Command-Option-O-F. Release the keys when you see
Welcome to Open Firmware. At the prompt, type: eject cd.  Press Return,
then wait. The drive should eject any disc that is inside the mechanism.
You¹ll see ³ok² when it is done then type ³mac-boot²
and hit return.

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Re: wiping hard drive clean

2002-11-23 Thread John Haumann

On Saturday, November 23, 2002, at 02:30 PM, Obi-Wan wrote:

 There was just a issue raised on the local TV station last week about 
 this
 very topic, concerning Government HD's that were going to surplus 
 sales and
 the safety of information that was previously on the drives.

 The conclusion of the story was that in order to be completely safe, 
 the
 drive has to be destroyed physically and that no program will give you
 complete security from someone that really wants your information.

 Well put Tom.


You poor deluded souls...  The drives are not physically destroyed 
because there is no other way to effectively clear the data.  The 
drives are destroyed because you don't need a certified technical guru 
to verify the data's destruction.  A clerk can do it reliably.

If I'm tasked to wipe 1000 drives of sensitive data and I lose track 
somewhere in the middle of the process, some critical or sensitive data 
might be overlooked.  There is a much smaller chance of my not getting 
the job done if all I've got to do is make sure 1000 drives go into a 
shredder.  Then I can verify by making sure the bin is empty.  If I 
don't see any whole drives there, I (and anybody who wants to verify my 
work) can see that the job has been accomplished.

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Re: Catalog B Tree 3 error on CD-RW

2002-11-23 Thread Gary D. Adams
I've had two friends with the same drive and the same problem with 
Toast. One downloaded Hotburn from Iomega's site and it worked. The 
other had her CDRW replaced by Iomega as defective.

Gary

John Fox wrote:

Hi Listers:

I recently bought an Iomega Zip CD 650 4x4x6 drive from TigerDirect.com 
and I have been in heaven ever since ripping copies of my mp3s.  
However, the software (Toast 4) that came bundled with it is for OS 9 
and can be run in Classic.  The problem is that I won't recognize my 
CD-RW drive so I can't do any burning except for mp3s in iTunes.

Is there a way that I can get Toast to recognize my drive (it searches 
on the system bus, but alas, it cannot find it)?  I tried burning CDs 
using Apple's built in capabilities with Jaguar (10.2.2).  It will go 
all the way to the last process called Verifying Disc and it tells me 
there is an unexpected error and will quit.  When I use the Disk 
Utiity, and verify, it tells me there is a Catalog B Tree 3 error.  
What the heck does this mean?

Anyone that can help, I'd greatly appreciate it.  Thanks in advance!!

- John


  




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Re: Re Spill damage.

2002-11-23 Thread Bruce Mitchell
on 11/23/02 10:20 AM, Paul Nicholson at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 At 8:45 PM -0800 11/22/02, Bruce Mitchell wrote:
 
 I assumed I had inadvertently
 pushed some drops of water around to places they should not have been let to
 make contact. It frankly never occurred to me that the hair dryer itself
 could do damage. Never again!
 
 This doesn't make sense. Did you have power on or the battery installed when
 you did this?
 
 Paul

The power, no, because I had gone into the bathroom where the dryer was. It
is possible I did not think to remove the battery.


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Installing OS X 10.2 on Wallstreet Help!

2002-11-23 Thread S.D. Weijand
I am trying to install 10.2 on my Wallstreet II 233mhz, 512, 320mb ram
OS 9.1 20 GB  Drive Partitioned with an open partition within the first
8 GB.

When I start-up with the install in my cd drive a cople of things
happen.

Sometimes when the screen is about to go to the spinning disc under the
apple, the screen gets a bunch of horizontal lines and everything grinds
to halt.

sometimes it will get to the blue install screen. The installer window
opens and then the installer fails with an unexpected error and asks
me to reboot.

any and all help would be greatly appreciated. I have worn out my
fingers looking for some kind of answer.

tia

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G4 Titaniium sighting

2002-11-23 Thread William Metcalfe
On the first page of the Weekend Journal in the Friday edition of the
Wall Street journal, 11/22/02, there was a photograph of 3 people seated
on a sofa watching a movie on, I believe, a G Titanium PB. (I am not
that familiar with Windows laptops that might look similiar.) It is an
illustration for an article on MovieLink, a company that allows you to
download movies to your Computer for a price.  In the article, the
Author of the piece, Tom King, says that the software will not work on a
Mac.


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Re: Installing OS X 10.2 on Wallstreet Help!

2002-11-23 Thread John Fox
Dear Sean,

I personally feel that the best way to go is to reformat your HD if you 
have a viable way to back up your information.  Then repartition with 
the Disk Utility within the Installer (only accessible from the 
Welcome screen before you start the installation process).

I too have a Wallstreet (250mhz, 1MB, 256MB RAM, etc.) and had an 
initial difficult time installing an operating the OS.  My solution was 
to backup my data, reformat/repartition my HD and build from scratch my 
apps.  Luckily I had downloaded a copy of the 10.2.2 fix that solved my 
modem's previous unresponsiveness.  I could tell you horror stories...

Anyway, so to make this short I'd be happy to assist you further as I 
have other listers.  I also have a treasure trove of OS 9/Aqua/Jaguar 
apps which I'd be happy to share a copy with you, if you'd like.

Cheers!

- John



On Saturday, November 23, 2002, at 09:34  PM, S.D. Weijand wrote:

 I am trying to install 10.2 on my Wallstreet II 233mhz, 512, 320mb ram
 OS 9.1 20 GB  Drive Partitioned with an open partition within the first
 8 GB.

 When I start-up with the install in my cd drive a cople of things
 happen.

 Sometimes when the screen is about to go to the spinning disc under the
 apple, the screen gets a bunch of horizontal lines and everything 
 grinds
 to halt.

 sometimes it will get to the blue install screen. The installer window
 opens and then the installer fails with an unexpected error and asks
 me to reboot.

 any and all help would be greatly appreciated. I have worn out my
 fingers looking for some kind of answer.

 tia

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