Re: HELP!!!! PISMO DEATH???

[dreemkill]

yes they will. call apple and find out before you start flat out denying 
things, with such a matter-of-fact attitude. they charge 50 dollars to 
transfer your data, should they need to. the other 50.00 you would be 
talking about is if you are out of the phone support time period, and 
find that it is in fact not a hardware issue. i just went through this 
with apple 2 weeks ago.

-Justin.

On Sunday, December 8, 2002, at 01:43  AM, Obi-Wan wrote:

> On 12/7/02 10:02 PM, "Kochkodin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Spew into the
> Cybertrough:
>
>> HHHMMM,
>> That's funny...the tech said the $50 was definitely in case they had to
>> transfer the data to another drive then redo it back to the 
>> original...I was
>> surprised
>> at this and made sure to double check about it..  Anyway, the system 
>> is under
>> applecare so there shouldn't be any additional charge..If there is, I 
>> will
>> raise hell with them about it.
>
> I'm an Apple Service Tech.  They will not take care of your data.  
> Period.
> I used to work at Apple, *and* at an Authorized service shop.  Unless 
> this
> is a new development...like it was changed *this week* or something.
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Re: I-book video card

[wappling]

Thankyou,so I should perhaps consider a newer machine to begin with than a
refurb

 
> 10.2 will work with any hardware that 10.1 did, however you do not get
> the Quartz Extreme enhancement with cards that have <16mb of vram. On
> that note, the iBook's Video card cannot be replaced, leaving you the
> only option of upgrading your iBook to a newer revision if you want QE
> goodness.
> 
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Re: HELP!!!! PISMO DEATH???

[dreemkill]

they offered me that option as well...when i sent my ibook ini 
declined...i dont keep any mission critical data on my laptopdoesn't 
seem worth it, i'd probably end up formatting it within a month anyway.
what they WERE going to do, was hold CC # for 50.00, to do the phone 
trouble shooting...because its out of the 90 days.but i called em 
back, and told them "its a hardware problem. the display shuts on and 
off, and if i shake the screen, it turns back on." she said the name of 
the procedure, but its actually a practiced thing...they can skip the 50 
dollar retainer, and just call it a hardware issue, and send the 
box...which is what we did.

got it back, and the mouse was finicky... apple replaced the inverter 
board, and the motherboard... i thought they didnt connect the mouse 
cable up well when they replaced the logic board, but he did some 
trouble shooting with me anyway (tho not supposed to i think) and ended 
up resetting the pmu, and i was set.

not really specific to the pismo, but i thought i'd share my experience. 
they didnt have to move data anyway.

On Sunday, December 8, 2002, at 12:25  AM, Kochkodin wrote:

> Yep, Pulled the top 512 chip..no joy!!  :(   Apple wanted a CC # to 
> hold $50
> in case they had to transfer the data to a different HD during the 
> repair.
> Regards,
> Mike K
>
> Hal wrote:
>
>> Well, Apple will probably tell you that 1GB of ram is an unsupported
>> configuration and that your ram might be drawing too much power. Have
>> you tried pulling one of your ram modules and restarting?
>>
>> Just a thought...
>>
>> On Saturday, December 7, 2002, at 08:27 PM, Kochkodin wrote:
>>
>>> Greetings again,
>>> Shut down my Pismo last night...had been on for about 1/2 hr or
>>> so...everything normal...Went to start up about 1pm today9sat) and all
>>> I got
>>> was 4 beeps, a black screen and a blinking green light every 10
>>> seconds or
>>> so...No start up chime at all...just sounded like the drive was
>>> winding up
>>> and then you could barely hear it...Held down the power button till it
>>> spun
>>> down and was presumably offno light etcTried to restart while
>>> zapping pram...no joysame thingCalled Apple and they had me
>>> re-start...when the tech heard the 4 beeps, she said the mobo was
>>> goneCan't figure that outAt any rate I was able to get it
>>> started
>>> after hanging up ... was on for about 1/2 hr...worked normally...long
>>> enough
>>> to email some files needed this pm to my imacAfter shutting down,
>>> it
>>> will no longer start...same old 4 beeps, no chime, and the drive
>>> winding
>>> upTried starting w/wout the battery/ac ..same thing...Has anyone
>>> experienced this at all??  The tech said that They are sending me a
>>> shipping
>>> box to return it to them...it is about 18 mos old and under
>>> A?C...Running
>>> 9.2.1 w/ 1gb ram and the 10 gb hd
>>> Any ideas anyone??
>>> Regards,
>>> Mike K
>>
>
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Re: I-book video card

[Andrew Johnson]

On Sunday, December 8, 2002, at 01:57  AM, wappling wrote:

> Hi all, I want to ask about the 8meg ati video card in an Ice book G3 
> 600, I
> want to upgrade to OSX10.2, which I think should have 32?  will 10.2 
> work
> with only 8?how expensive and difficult is it to replace  the vid 
> card? what
> are some options to consider, thankyou for info and opinions and does
> n-videa make something better than ati with the same features for 
> later than
> OSX10.2?

10.2 will work with any hardware that 10.1 did, however you do not get 
the Quartz Extreme enhancement with cards that have <16mb of vram. On 
that note, the iBook's Video card cannot be replaced, leaving you the 
only option of upgrading your iBook to a newer revision if you want QE 
goodness.

-Andrew


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Re: Appleworks problem

[Namdeerf2]

Jon,
Thanks. How do I check for a corrupt font?

Bob F.



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<< on 12/7/02 10:20 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Thanks. When I reinstalled OS 9 I reinstalled over the current installation.
> To my knowledge, I didn't reinstall any non-Appleworks extensions. Also,
> don't recall installing
> any saved preferences.
> Given this, what would you suggest?

I would suggest looking for a corrupt font while you're about everything
else. They tend to do weird things that you don't expect. This may be one of
them...
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Re: I-book video card

[Obi-Wan]

On 12/7/02 10:57 PM, "wappling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Spew into the
Cybertrough:

> Hi all, I want to ask about the 8meg ati video card in an Ice book G3 600, I
> want to upgrade to OSX10.2, which I think should have 32?  will 10.2 work
> with only 8?

It will work.

>how expensive and difficult is it to replace  the vid card?

Impossible.  You would have to replace the logic board.

>what are some options to consider

You *have* no options.  Install 10.2 and have fun.  I just installed it on a
customers IceBook 500 and it runs fine.
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I-book video card

[wappling]

Hi all, I want to ask about the 8meg ati video card in an Ice book G3 600, I
want to upgrade to OSX10.2, which I think should have 32?  will 10.2 work
with only 8?how expensive and difficult is it to replace  the vid card? what
are some options to consider, thankyou for info and opinions and does
n-videa make something better than ati with the same features for later than
OSX10.2?


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Re: Appleworks problem

[Jon Glass]

on 12/7/02 10:20 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Thanks. When I reinstalled OS 9 I reinstalled over the current installation.
> To my knowledge, I didn't reinstall any non-Appleworks extensions. Also,
> don't recall installing
> any saved preferences.
> Given this, what would you suggest?

I would suggest looking for a corrupt font while you're about everything
else. They tend to do weird things that you don't expect. This may be one of
them...
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Re: HELP!!!! PISMO DEATH???

[Obi-Wan]

On 12/7/02 10:02 PM, "Kochkodin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Spew into the
Cybertrough:

> HHHMMM,
> That's funny...the tech said the $50 was definitely in case they had to
> transfer the data to another drive then redo it back to the original...I was
>surprised 
> at this and made sure to double check about it..  Anyway, the system is under
> applecare so there shouldn't be any additional charge..If there is, I will
> raise hell with them about it.

I'm an Apple Service Tech.  They will not take care of your data.  Period.
I used to work at Apple, *and* at an Authorized service shop.  Unless this
is a new development...like it was changed *this week* or something.

Jeremy, have you ever heard of this policy?

Another thing.  You state that it is covered under Applecare? Do you just
mean that it is still in it's one year hardware warranty period, or that you
purchased an APP for it?  If you have not spent the extra $350 to purchase
Applecare I HIGHLY recommend that you do so...especially since you are
having problems now.  It will protect you in the future.  But judging that
this is a Pismo you must've purchased an APP since it is already probably
about 2 years old???  I missed that part.

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OT: BBedit anyone?

[Donald Keenan]

Could anyone help me out here? I've had a rough day going back and forth 
between Dreamweaver and HTML-Kit to clean up the mess that Dreamweaver 
and it's IE preview created to the markup.
So, back at home (Pismo/iMac-land), I tried to install a trial version 
of BBEdit.
This is a no brainer, but I'm feeling like I have no brains lately 
(techno-stress).
The disk image appears on my hard drive and when I drag it to the 
Applications folder (OS X) and click on it to launch it, a window opens 
with a message that  tells me to eject the disk image to complete 
installation. I'm not sure what that means to literally do. I tried 
going to the finder menu and choosing eject, but then there's a message 
about the alias being broken.
Ca anyone familiar with installing BBEdit explain to me what I have to 
do after dragging it into the Applications folder?
TIA,
Donald


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Re: AppleWorks problem

[James Rohde]

On 12/7/02, Laurent Daudelin enlightened us by writing:

>Then, go to the
>Preferences folder in the System Folder and remove any AppleWorks-related
>file or folder there. In the System Folder, check to see if there would be
>an AppleWorks-related folder.

Laurent - does that include the Claris folder (leftover from ClarisWorks 
and currently used by Claris Emailer)?? 'Cause there are some DataViz 
translators in there I'd like to keep if it doesn't slow AppleWorks 
down...

BTW, is there a list for AppleWorks on LEM?? (Dan?)

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Re: HELP!!!! PISMO DEATH???

[Kochkodin]

HHHMMM,
That's funny...the tech said the $50 was definitely in case they had to transfer
the data to another drive then redo it back to the original...I was surprised at
this and made sure to double check about it..  Anyway, the system is under
applecare so there shouldn't be any additional charge..If there is, I will raise
hell with them about it.  I do have the original 192mg ram it came with...will
try that tomorrow (sun)

Roguewriter...tried the OS9 disks...won't boot from anything...Thanks for the
suggestion, though..The fan never comes on..at least I have never heard it..never
seems to get real hot...Gauge Pro has shown a max temp of about 115* on
it..always use a cool pad with it..

Hal...nothing new done except to change the access #'s and email info in the
airport setup info...had to get a new ISP...that's all that has been done
recently...
Will let you know what develops with it...
Regards,
Mike K

Obi-Wan wrote:

> On 12/7/02 9:25 PM, "Kochkodin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Spew into the
> Cybertrough:
>
> > Yep, Pulled the top 512 chip..no joy!!  :(   Apple wanted a CC # to hold $50
> > in case they had to transfer the data to a different HD during the repair.
> > Regards,
> > Mike K
>
> Not to make you more upset, but that is *not* why Apple asked for a CC#.
> They will take absolutely NO responsibility for your data, and will not
> transfer it anywhere.  The $50 is in case they find that it is not an error
> on their part.  Then they charge you for the service call.
>
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Re: HELP!!!! PISMO DEATH???

[Hal]

Vey strange. I've got 3 Pismos, including one with a G4 upgrade and 
I've never seen the 4 beeps thing (knock on wood). Let me know what 
Apple says. Did you install any other components or software recently, 
upgrade the firmware, etc?

best,
-Hal
On Saturday, December 7, 2002, at 09:25 PM, Kochkodin wrote:

> Yep, Pulled the top 512 chip..no joy!!  :(   Apple wanted a CC # to 
> hold $50
> in case they had to transfer the data to a different HD during the 
> repair.
> Regards,
> Mike K
>
> Hal wrote:
>
>> Well, Apple will probably tell you that 1GB of ram is an unsupported
>> configuration and that your ram might be drawing too much power. Have
>> you tried pulling one of your ram modules and restarting?
>>
>> Just a thought...
>>
>> On Saturday, December 7, 2002, at 08:27 PM, Kochkodin wrote:
>>
>>> Greetings again,
>>> Shut down my Pismo last night...had been on for about 1/2 hr or
>>> so...everything normal...Went to start up about 1pm today9sat) and 
>>> all
>>> I got
>>> was 4 beeps, a black screen and a blinking green light every 10
>>> seconds or
>>> so...No start up chime at all...just sounded like the drive was
>>> winding up
>>> and then you could barely hear it...Held down the power button till 
>>> it
>>> spun
>>> down and was presumably offno light etcTried to restart while
>>> zapping pram...no joysame thingCalled Apple and they had me
>>> re-start...when the tech heard the 4 beeps, she said the mobo was
>>> goneCan't figure that outAt any rate I was able to get it
>>> started
>>> after hanging up ... was on for about 1/2 hr...worked normally...long
>>> enough
>>> to email some files needed this pm to my imacAfter shutting down,
>>> it
>>> will no longer start...same old 4 beeps, no chime, and the drive
>>> winding
>>> upTried starting w/wout the battery/ac ..same thing...Has anyone
>>> experienced this at all??  The tech said that They are sending me a
>>> shipping
>>> box to return it to them...it is about 18 mos old and under
>>> A?C...Running
>>> 9.2.1 w/ 1gb ram and the 10 gb hd
>>> Any ideas anyone??
>>> Regards,
>>> Mike K
>>
>
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Re: HELP!!!! PISMO DEATH???

[Obi-Wan]

On 12/7/02 9:25 PM, "Kochkodin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Spew into the
Cybertrough:

> Yep, Pulled the top 512 chip..no joy!!  :(   Apple wanted a CC # to hold $50
> in case they had to transfer the data to a different HD during the repair.
> Regards,
> Mike K

Do you have the stock Ram that came with the book?  Replace BOTH of the
SoDimms with the stock Ram and be sure the processor is seated properly.  I
bet it is your Ram due to the telltale error beeps at startup.
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Re: HELP!!!! PISMO DEATH???

[Obi-Wan]

On 12/7/02 9:25 PM, "Kochkodin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Spew into the
Cybertrough:

> Yep, Pulled the top 512 chip..no joy!!  :(   Apple wanted a CC # to hold $50
> in case they had to transfer the data to a different HD during the repair.
> Regards,
> Mike K

Not to make you more upset, but that is *not* why Apple asked for a CC#.
They will take absolutely NO responsibility for your data, and will not
transfer it anywhere.  The $50 is in case they find that it is not an error
on their part.  Then they charge you for the service call.

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Re: HELP!!!! PISMO DEATH???

[RogueWriter]

Will it boot from your OS 9 cd?  I noticed that you didn't list that in 
things you'd tried.

Other than that, I can't think of anything that it might be but a 
hardware problem...

Do you run a lot of highly intense apps?  Your processor might not have 
liked the heat from that and the gig of ram.  Could be an error in the 
ide controller.  Your tech is probably correct, the motherboard may be 
history...  Any electrical spikes via power or phone that could've 
gotten to the PB?

Erick

On Saturday, December 7, 2002, at 11:27 PM, Kochkodin wrote:
> Greetings again,
> Shut down my Pismo last night...had been on for about 1/2 hr or
> so...everything normal...Went to start up about 1pm today9sat) and all 
> I got
> was 4 beeps, a black screen and a blinking green light every 10 
> seconds or
> so...No start up chime at all...just sounded like the drive was 
> winding up
> and then you could barely hear it...Held down the power button till it 
> spun
> down and was presumably offno light etcTried to restart while
> zapping pram...no joysame thingCalled Apple and they had me
> re-start...when the tech heard the 4 beeps, she said the mobo was
> goneCan't figure that outAt any rate I was able to get it 
> started
> after hanging up ... was on for about 1/2 hr...worked normally...long 
> enough
> to email some files needed this pm to my imacAfter shutting down, 
> it
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> winding
> upTried starting w/wout the battery/ac ..same thing...Has anyone
> experienced this at all??  The tech said that They are sending me a 
> shipping
> box to return it to them...it is about 18 mos old and under 
> A?C...Running
> 9.2.1 w/ 1gb ram and the 10 gb hd
> Any ideas anyone??
> Regards,
> Mike K
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Re: HELP!!!! PISMO DEATH???

[Kochkodin]

Yep, Pulled the top 512 chip..no joy!!  :(   Apple wanted a CC # to hold $50
in case they had to transfer the data to a different HD during the repair.
Regards,
Mike K

Hal wrote:

> Well, Apple will probably tell you that 1GB of ram is an unsupported
> configuration and that your ram might be drawing too much power. Have
> you tried pulling one of your ram modules and restarting?
>
> Just a thought...
>
> On Saturday, December 7, 2002, at 08:27 PM, Kochkodin wrote:
>
> > Greetings again,
> > Shut down my Pismo last night...had been on for about 1/2 hr or
> > so...everything normal...Went to start up about 1pm today9sat) and all
> > I got
> > was 4 beeps, a black screen and a blinking green light every 10
> > seconds or
> > so...No start up chime at all...just sounded like the drive was
> > winding up
> > and then you could barely hear it...Held down the power button till it
> > spun
> > down and was presumably offno light etcTried to restart while
> > zapping pram...no joysame thingCalled Apple and they had me
> > re-start...when the tech heard the 4 beeps, she said the mobo was
> > goneCan't figure that outAt any rate I was able to get it
> > started
> > after hanging up ... was on for about 1/2 hr...worked normally...long
> > enough
> > to email some files needed this pm to my imacAfter shutting down,
> > it
> > will no longer start...same old 4 beeps, no chime, and the drive
> > winding
> > upTried starting w/wout the battery/ac ..same thing...Has anyone
> > experienced this at all??  The tech said that They are sending me a
> > shipping
> > box to return it to them...it is about 18 mos old and under
> > A?C...Running
> > 9.2.1 w/ 1gb ram and the 10 gb hd
> > Any ideas anyone??
> > Regards,
> > Mike K
>


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Re: HELP!!!! PISMO DEATH???

[Hal]

Well, Apple will probably tell you that 1GB of ram is an unsupported 
configuration and that your ram might be drawing too much power. Have 
you tried pulling one of your ram modules and restarting?

Just a thought...


On Saturday, December 7, 2002, at 08:27 PM, Kochkodin wrote:

> Greetings again,
> Shut down my Pismo last night...had been on for about 1/2 hr or
> so...everything normal...Went to start up about 1pm today9sat) and all 
> I got
> was 4 beeps, a black screen and a blinking green light every 10 
> seconds or
> so...No start up chime at all...just sounded like the drive was 
> winding up
> and then you could barely hear it...Held down the power button till it 
> spun
> down and was presumably offno light etcTried to restart while
> zapping pram...no joysame thingCalled Apple and they had me
> re-start...when the tech heard the 4 beeps, she said the mobo was
> goneCan't figure that outAt any rate I was able to get it 
> started
> after hanging up ... was on for about 1/2 hr...worked normally...long 
> enough
> to email some files needed this pm to my imacAfter shutting down, 
> it
> will no longer start...same old 4 beeps, no chime, and the drive 
> winding
> upTried starting w/wout the battery/ac ..same thing...Has anyone
> experienced this at all??  The tech said that They are sending me a 
> shipping
> box to return it to them...it is about 18 mos old and under 
> A?C...Running
> 9.2.1 w/ 1gb ram and the 10 gb hd
> Any ideas anyone??
> Regards,
> Mike K
>
> Note the new email addymy previous ISP had their mail servers 
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Re: Appleworks problem

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At 3:35 PM -0500 12/7/2002, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>I have a 3 year old I Book and installed Appleworks 6 a year or more ago. All
>of a sudden, I am finding it is taking 3 to 5 seconds for
>a letter to appear while I am word processing ; in addition, it is taking 30
>seconds or more for the  Appleworks program to activate, after I open it. It
>is almost like it is 'frozen.'  I have reinstalled both OS 9 and Appleworks
>several times, but this has not fixed the  problem.
>Has any one had this happen? What is the cause? How can I fix it?

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To Derrick, John Haumann, and all those that replied

[Gary E Davis]

Thank you

OSX is installed and running great. 

Thank you and have a great holiday 

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HELP!!!! PISMO DEATH???

[Kochkodin]

Greetings again,
Shut down my Pismo last night...had been on for about 1/2 hr or
so...everything normal...Went to start up about 1pm today9sat) and all I got
was 4 beeps, a black screen and a blinking green light every 10 seconds or
so...No start up chime at all...just sounded like the drive was winding up
and then you could barely hear it...Held down the power button till it spun
down and was presumably offno light etcTried to restart while
zapping pram...no joysame thingCalled Apple and they had me
re-start...when the tech heard the 4 beeps, she said the mobo was
goneCan't figure that outAt any rate I was able to get it started
after hanging up ... was on for about 1/2 hr...worked normally...long enough
to email some files needed this pm to my imacAfter shutting down, it
will no longer start...same old 4 beeps, no chime, and the drive winding
upTried starting w/wout the battery/ac ..same thing...Has anyone
experienced this at all??  The tech said that They are sending me a shipping
box to return it to them...it is about 18 mos old and under A?C...Running
9.2.1 w/ 1gb ram and the 10 gb hd
Any ideas anyone??
Regards,
Mike K

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Wallstreet "teardown" site now online

[B . J . Major]

For those who did not have the benefit of getting Apple's Service Manual 
download while it was still online a year or more ago, there is now a 
site (in English and German) with excellent photos to show you how to 
take your Wallstreet II apart if needed.  Here is the URL:

http://homepage.mac.com/sysop/PhotoAlbum3.html

This is a handy reference to have; bookmark it - or better yet, print it 
out for youself!!

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Re: Appleworks problem

[Gary D. Adams]

Stupid Question #304: What version of Appleworks 6 are you using?
Could that be part of the problem?


I know there was a 6.0.4 and a 6.1 and perhaps a 6.2 and 6.2.4.


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Re: Appleworks problem

[Namdeerf2]

John,
Thanks!

Bob F.


In a message dated 12/7/02 5:14:55 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< On Saturday, December 7, 2002, at 02:35 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I have a 3 year old I Book and installed Appleworks 6 a year or more 
> ago. All
> of a sudden, I am finding it is taking 3 to 5 seconds for
> a letter to appear while I am word processing ; in addition, it is 
> taking 30
> seconds or more for the  Appleworks program to activate, after I open 
> it. It
> is almost like it is 'frozen.'  I have reinstalled both OS 9 and 
> Appleworks
> several times, but this has not fixed the  problem.
> Has any one had this happen? What is the cause? How can I fix it?
>

After you've tried all of Laurent's suggestions, go to  
and post your question where those who use the application might have 
an actual solution.

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Re: Appleworks problem

[John Haumann]

On Saturday, December 7, 2002, at 02:35 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I have a 3 year old I Book and installed Appleworks 6 a year or more 
> ago. All
> of a sudden, I am finding it is taking 3 to 5 seconds for
> a letter to appear while I am word processing ; in addition, it is 
> taking 30
> seconds or more for the  Appleworks program to activate, after I open 
> it. It
> is almost like it is 'frozen.'  I have reinstalled both OS 9 and 
> Appleworks
> several times, but this has not fixed the  problem.
> Has any one had this happen? What is the cause? How can I fix it?
>

After you've tried all of Laurent's suggestions, go to  
and post your question where those who use the application might have 
an actual solution.

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Re: Appleworks problem

[John Fox]

Hello Gentlemen:

That preference for the "Clean Installation" is available after you 
click OPTIONS in the lower left-hand corner of the installation window 
(I believe it's the second to last window pane before the final INSTALL 
dialog).

- John


On Saturday, December 7, 2002, at 07:03  PM, Laurent Daudelin wrote:

> on 07/12/02 16:20, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>> Laurent,
>> Thanks. When I reinstalled OS 9 I reinstalled over the current 
>> installation.
>> To my knowledge, I didn't reinstall any non-Appleworks extensions. 
>> Also,
>> don't recall installing
>> any saved preferences.
>> Given this, what would you suggest?
>
> Well, if you did reinstall over your previous installation, whatever 
> caused
> the problem is probably still there, whether it is a corrupted 
> preference
> file or a conflicting extension. If it was me, I would reinstall OS 9 
> but I
> would make sure to do a clean install. I don't remember exactly, but I 
> think
> there is an option in the installation process where you have the 
> ability to
> select a clean installation. Your previous system folder is still 
> there, but
> it's inactive. That way, you can test after a clean install and then, 
> bring
> back any preference file you might need, with careful checking after 
> each
> file you bring back from your old system folder. That's what I do when 
> I
> need to do an OS install.
>
> -Laurent


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Re: Appleworks problem

[Laurent Daudelin]

on 07/12/02 16:20, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Laurent,
> Thanks. When I reinstalled OS 9 I reinstalled over the current installation.
> To my knowledge, I didn't reinstall any non-Appleworks extensions. Also,
> don't recall installing
> any saved preferences.
> Given this, what would you suggest?

Well, if you did reinstall over your previous installation, whatever caused
the problem is probably still there, whether it is a corrupted preference
file or a conflicting extension. If it was me, I would reinstall OS 9 but I
would make sure to do a clean install. I don't remember exactly, but I think
there is an option in the installation process where you have the ability to
select a clean installation. Your previous system folder is still there, but
it's inactive. That way, you can test after a clean install and then, bring
back any preference file you might need, with careful checking after each
file you bring back from your old system folder. That's what I do when I
need to do an OS install.

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Re: Appleworks problem

[Namdeerf2]

Laurent,
Thanks. When I reinstalled OS 9 I reinstalled over the current installation. 
To my knowledge, I didn't reinstall any non-Appleworks extensions. Also, 
don't recall installing
any saved preferences.
Given this, what would you suggest?  

Bob Freedman




In a message dated 12/7/02 2:02:40 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< on 07/12/02 15:35, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I have a 3 year old I Book and installed Appleworks 6 a year or more ago. 
All
> of a sudden, I am finding it is taking 3 to 5 seconds for
> a letter to appear while I am word processing ; in addition, it is taking 30
> seconds or more for the  Appleworks program to activate, after I open it. It
> is almost like it is 'frozen.'  I have reinstalled both OS 9 and Appleworks
> several times, but this has not fixed the  problem.
> Has any one had this happen? What is the cause? How can I fix it?

When reinstalling OS 9, did you do it from scratch or did you reinstall over
the current installation? Did you reinstall any non-Apple extensions after
reinstalling the OS or did you keep it clean? After reinstallation, did you
restore any saved preferences that you had for AppleWorks?

If you answer yes, no and yes, then I would suggest you restart with the
shift key down to boot without loading any extension. Then, go to the
Preferences folder in the System Folder and remove any AppleWorks-related
file or folder there. In the System Folder, check to see if there would be
an AppleWorks-related folder.

Let us know how it goes...

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Re: Appleworks problem

[Laurent Daudelin]

on 07/12/02 15:35, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I have a 3 year old I Book and installed Appleworks 6 a year or more ago. All
> of a sudden, I am finding it is taking 3 to 5 seconds for
> a letter to appear while I am word processing ; in addition, it is taking 30
> seconds or more for the  Appleworks program to activate, after I open it. It
> is almost like it is 'frozen.'  I have reinstalled both OS 9 and Appleworks
> several times, but this has not fixed the  problem.
> Has any one had this happen? What is the cause? How can I fix it?

When reinstalling OS 9, did you do it from scratch or did you reinstall over
the current installation? Did you reinstall any non-Apple extensions after
reinstalling the OS or did you keep it clean? After reinstallation, did you
restore any saved preferences that you had for AppleWorks?

If you answer yes, no and yes, then I would suggest you restart with the
shift key down to boot without loading any extension. Then, go to the
Preferences folder in the System Folder and remove any AppleWorks-related
file or folder there. In the System Folder, check to see if there would be
an AppleWorks-related folder.

Let us know how it goes...

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Appleworks problem

[Namdeerf2]

I have a 3 year old I Book and installed Appleworks 6 a year or more ago. All 
of a sudden, I am finding it is taking 3 to 5 seconds for
a letter to appear while I am word processing ; in addition, it is taking 30 
seconds or more for the  Appleworks program to activate, after I open it. It 
is almost like it is 'frozen.'  I have reinstalled both OS 9 and Appleworks 
several times, but this has not fixed the  problem.
Has any one had this happen? What is the cause? How can I fix it?

Thanks.

Bob Freedman 


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Current OS on early G3's [was: Need help]

[John Haumann]

On Saturday, December 7, 2002, at 08:24 AM, Administrator wrote:

> On the older G3's you have to partition into 2 seperate partitions.  OS
> X will only install on the first 8 gig of the HD.  Sooo.. Create 1,
> 7.9 gig partition and then the rest in another.
>

It's not just OS X...  Some of the early G3's will not recognize any 
system folder as being valid (i.e., bootable) unless it resides on a 
partition that is wholly within the first 8 GB of the hard drive.  You 
can have 16 bootable partitions on a drive if you want, but all need to 
be within the 8 GB on these machines.  If your drive is larger than 8 
GB, then you need to have at least two partitions, one of which (the 
one you want to start-up from) resides wholly within the first 8 GB.  A 
system folder on any partition that strays beyond the first 8 GB of a 
hard drive will not be bootable on these particular early G3's -- it 
may be recognized, it may appear to be "blessed", but it will not start 
your machine.

The OS X installer is "smart" enough to check this, and won't install 
if it thinks the installation won't be bootable.  The OS-9 installer 
does not make such a check.

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Re: Need help

[Administrator]

Gary,

On the older G3's you have to partition into 2 seperate partitions.  OS 
X will only install on the first 8 gig of the HD.  Sooo.. Create 1,  
7.9 gig partition and then the rest in another.


Derrick


On Friday, December 6, 2002, at 11:49 PM, Gary E Davis wrote:

> Hi all
>
> Need help with OSX installation. I bought a new IBM travelstar 20gig 
> for my
> wallstreet and used the disk utility to make a single partition then
> formatted the drive but when I went to install it baulked saying 
> "Partition
> is not in the 1st 8 gig" There's only one partition??
>
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Mom on confirmation requests, SpamCop, servers

[Dan Knight]

This is my monthly reminder that the list server at maclaunch.com remains 
screwed up and often sends out spurious confirmation messages. There is 
nothing we can do about this at present.

Please don't send me email asking about it. I can't fix it. I can't.

We are also having some problems with the lemlists.com domain, which we 
had set up to handle the mailing lists. Without our knowledge or 
permission, the people running the server have begun using SpamCop to 
filter incoming email. We find this unacceptable, as people we do 
business with are now unable to contact us via email. We are looking into 
alternate hosting solutions for our domains.

For most of our domains, we have a huge variety of hosting options at 
$10/month or so, but we want to be able to offer low-cost email accounts 
on lemlists.com -- and email plus Web/file storage space on 
lowendmac.net. If any of you can suggest a good hosting service that will 
let us sell email addresses at reasonable annual rates, sell online space 
to users, etc., I'd be happy to hear more -- please reply to 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (If that doesn't work due to SpamCop, try 
[EMAIL PROTECTED])



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BeerBooks, Insurance, and List Nannies

[Dan Knight]

P.F.Grenier writes:

>Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't the function of a "list nanny" to 
>step in and keep things on topic and stop controversy from getting out 
>of hand? Obi-Wan frequently adds fuel to the fire.

The function of the list nannies is to oversee the lists and try to keep 
things on topic, to keep things civil, and to ban subscribers as 
necessary (short-term or permanently) for serious violations of 
netiquette and/or list rules.

The nannies are also active members of the lists and entitled to share 
their opinions, just like the rest of the subscribers. We try to have 2-3 
nannies for each list in addition to the list mom so that the nannies can 
moderate each other as well.

Kyle raised questions about the ethics of an insurance claim, which lead 
to a sometimes heated, sometimes enlightening discussion of the various 
types of insurance policies, the cost of insurance fraud to consumers, 
and several other topics.

You have done your own bit to escalate things, so please don't be so 
sanctimonious in your postings.

Thank you.

Dan the listmom, catching up on email


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