1GHz Powerbook OS 9 install woes
Just got a PB 1GHz laptop yesterday, and it arrived with only 10.3.2 installed. I tried to get it to load OS 9, but kept getting a flashing icon even after using my OSX 10.4 DVD to erase and install OS 9 drivers. I read an article from Apple regarding this issue (http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=61790), but I might not possess the recommended install DVD (restore disk) among the ones that arrived with it. Other than this glitch, I am very impressed with the laptop. Any and all input would be appreciated. TIA Kevin -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: 1GHz Powerbook OS 9 install woes
Stardate 060204.12:14 -0500. A subspace message from Kevin O'Grady reads: Just got a PB 1GHz laptop ... I tried to get it to load OS 9, but kept getting a flashing icon even after using my OSX 10.4 DVD to erase and install OS 9 drivers. Where are you getting your Mac OS 9 from? If you're not using the official Restore DVD, then you'll need to have the retail version of Mac OS 9.2.2 on CD, and use *that* to install OS 9 *before* you even think of installing OS 10.x If you have said disc, you should be able to boot from it (insert disc, hit Power and immeditately hold 'C' until you see the happy Mac icon). Use Drive Setup to erase your hard disk, ensuring you choose to do so using HFS Extended (HFS+) as the file-system. Run the OS 9 Installer, and install an un-modified (ie, don't change anything in the Customise options) OS 9. Once it is finished, use Startup Disk to set the HD as your boot drive. Restart, and hold down the clicker until the disc is ejected. The machine will give you the blinking-folder a few more times and then boot from the HD. Once that's done, insert your Mac OS X Installer disc and put OS X on. Geoffrey -- -- Endian Little Hate I --- -- I'm afraid music in the modern idiom is too repetitive for my tastes ... although the rhythm does have a certain hypnotic effect. -- Brains (International Rescue Engineer, 'Thunderbirds' (c) Gerry Anderson 1969) -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: 1GHz Powerbook OS 9 install woes
Kevin O'Grady wrote: Just got a PB 1GHz laptop yesterday, and it arrived with only 10.3.2 installed. I tried to get it to load OS 9, but kept getting a flashing icon even after using my OSX 10.4 DVD to erase and install OS 9 drivers. I read an article from Apple regarding this issue (http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=61790), but I might not possess the recommended install DVD (restore disk) among the ones that arrived with it. Other than this glitch, I am very impressed with the laptop. Kevin, I have a 1GHz powerbook I've had for 3 years or so. It came with OS 10.? I have since upgraded to OS 10.4. It has always had OS 9 on it. I have programs from my old i-mac like Photoshop 7.0 and Windows 2000 for the Mac. When I open those applications the laptop automatically opens OS 9 for me. I asked about this feature when I purchased the laptop because I did not want to pay for new software. Perhaps later powerbooks did not have both operating systems on them. I'm glad mine does. I use MS Powerpoint to create CD's of my lesson plans to sell to other art teachers. Since most of the world is a PC world I want to provide a product that works on real computers. On a related issue, when I upgraded to OS 10.4 my wireless connection to the web stopped working. The card I was using did not support 10.4. So I had to invest in a newer card for the laptop. (Big Bucks $$$) Perhaps if I had been using Apple's Airport this would not have happened ? Woody -- Woody, Retired in Albuquerque mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 35 Quality Middle School Art Lessons in powerpoint format, on one CD $17 (includes shipping) http://www.taospaint.com/QualityLessons.html Ordering Address: PO Box 91703 Albuquerque, NM87199-1703 “The function of the overwhelming majority of your artwork is simply to teach you how to make the small fraction of your artwork that soars.” from: “Art Fear” Woody's Watercolor Portfolio: http://www.taospaint.com/Portfolio/Watercolors.html Newest Fantastic Triplet Pics: http://www.taospaint.com/Kansas05/Christmas.html My newest watercolors: http://www.taospaint.com/Portfolio/Beach/Watercolors.html -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: 1GHz Powerbook OS 9 install woes
At 10:33 AM -0700 2/4/06, Woody Duncan wrote: I have a 1GHz powerbook I've had for 3 years or so. It came with OS 10.? I have since upgraded to OS 10.4. It has always had OS 9 on it. I have programs from my old i-mac like Photoshop 7.0 and Windows 2000 for the Mac. When I open those applications the laptop automatically opens OS 9 for me. I asked about this feature when I purchased the laptop because I did not want to pay for new software. Perhaps later powerbooks did not have both operating systems on them. I'm glad mine does. I use MS Powerpoint to create CD's of my lesson plans to sell to other art teachers. Since most of the world is a PC world I want to provide a product that works on real computers. Try installing PhotoShop from the CD (and any other Adobe software from the same vintage). I got the whole Adobe Suite, including PS 7.0 and started installing it on a WallStreet running Jaguar and low and behold it all installed as OS X Native (Carbon). A very pleasant surprise. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: 1GHz Powerbook OS 9 install woes
On 2/4/06 12:14 PM, Kevin O'Grady [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just got a PB 1GHz laptop yesterday, and it arrived with only 10.3.2 installed. I tried to get it to load OS 9, but kept getting a flashing icon even after using my OSX 10.4 DVD to erase and install OS 9 drivers. I read an article from Apple regarding this issue (http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=61790), but I might not possess the recommended install DVD (restore disk) among the ones that arrived with it. Other than this glitch, I am very impressed with the laptop. Kevin - you saying you are trying to install OS 9. Are you trying to install OS 9 to boot into 9 or to run in Classic mode? At some point a couple years back Apple dropped OS 9 as a bootable OS and since then we've only been able to run it from within OS X. For this purpose the old OS 9 drivers aren't needed. david -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: 1GHz Powerbook OS 9 install woes
G-Books wrote on 2/4/06, 11:50: Just got a PB 1GHz laptop yesterday, and it arrived with only 10.3.2 installed. I tried to get it to load OS 9, but kept getting a flashing icon * If this is a powerbook G4 then perhaps it can't load OS9.2.2 because it came loaded with OS X and no possibility of loading OS 9. -- Brad 55417-1734 Pwr Mac G4 64 MB Radeon 7000 AGP Gtaphics OWC Mercury Extreme 1GHZ CPU Upgrade 1.12GB Ram 9GB Quantum Fireball/ OS 9.2.2 WDC 80GB/ OS X.3.9 Pioneer DVR 105 Pwr Mac G3 BW 64MB Radeon 7000 PCI Graphics card 450MHZ CPU 1gb ram 120 gb Maxtor DiamondMaxPlus X.3.9/80gb Hitachi Deskstar Sata harddrive X.4/ 40gb Maxtor DiamondMax ATA hard drive/9.2.2 Seritek SATA Controller card/Pioneer DVR 105 OS X.3.9/ Lexmark X1185 all- in- one printer Powerbook 3400c 200MHZ, 144MB ram, 2gig harddrive, OS 9.1, modules; floppy, cd-rom, zip drive If it's good to you, it's good for you -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: 1GHz Powerbook OS 9 install woes
On Feb 4, 2006, at 1:27 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kevin - you saying you are trying to install OS 9. Are you trying to install OS 9 to boot into 9 or to run in Classic mode? At some point a couple years back Apple dropped OS 9 as a bootable OS and since then we've only been able to run it from within OS X. For this purpose the old OS 9 drivers aren't needed. david The machine's serial # reported (according to http://www.chipmunk.nl/ klantenservice/applemodel.html ) it says that it was built in March of 2003. As far as I can tell it is a dual boot system. The brain fart occurs if you don't have the restore DVD. I have a set of 3 restore disks (+ iMovie 2 (2 disks)), and a restore software CD , one will boot and tell me I can't use it with this computer and the other refuses to boot. It gets so far and then tells me to start up with extensions off and reports an error 11. The laptop has 1 Gb of memory (maxed out) and a DVD Superdrive 1x. I might be interested in beefing up the superdrive, but must cure this non-OS 9 issue first. I liked the answer given earlier about trying an original 9.2 disk and going from there. What I've read from Apple doesn't lean toward this as a solution, however, I tend to trust the experience of people that actually have/use the same hardware as I do. TIA Kevin My apple hardware reads like Captain Kirks accreditation. PB 1GHz 1000Mb/RAM 60Gb HDD 15 Quicksilver 1GHz DP 1Gb/RAM 36Gb Ultra SCSI 300Gb ATA 133 17 2 x BW G3's (1 is a 350 1 is a 450, complete with matching studio displays monitors) 2 x 350 iMacs SL... 2 x 7300 w G3/400 upgrade cards... 7 x 5400/5500's various configs 1 w/400MHz L2 upgrade card 1 x SE... 1x llci. I won't be repeating this tagline as it is too difficult to remember or bother to write down. :-) -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: 1GHz Powerbook OS 9 install woes
On 2/4/06 2:13 PM, Kevin O'Grady [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 4, 2006, at 1:27 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kevin - you saying you are trying to install OS 9. Are you trying to install OS 9 to boot into 9 or to run in Classic mode? At some point a couple years back Apple dropped OS 9 as a bootable OS and since then we've only been able to run it from within OS X. For this purpose the old OS 9 drivers aren't needed. david The machine's serial # reported (according to http://www.chipmunk.nl/ klantenservice/applemodel.html ) it says that it was built in March of 2003. As far as I can tell it is a dual boot system. The brain fart occurs if you don't have the restore DVD. I have a set of 3 restore disks (+ iMovie 2 (2 disks)), and a restore software CD , one will boot and tell me I can't use it with this computer and the other refuses to boot. It gets so far and then tells me to start up with extensions off and reports an error 11. The laptop has 1 Gb of memory (maxed out) and a DVD Superdrive 1x. I might be interested in beefing up the superdrive, but must cure this non-OS 9 issue first. I liked the answer given earlier about trying an original 9.2 disk and going from there. What I've read from Apple doesn't lean toward this as a solution, however, I tend to trust the experience of people that actually have/use the same hardware as I do. So if it IS the dual book notebook then it should start up with an OS 9.2 CD and I'm sorry to report I no longer have mine or I'd be glad to send it to you. It has been a very long time for me so all I remember about Error 11 was that it was pretty generic - a hardware fault - I think. It may mean nothing more than you have a bad install disk. Bah! Like I said, I haven't touched OS 9 in several years. david -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: 1GHz Powerbook OS 9 install woes
on 2/4/06 9:50 AM, G-Books at G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com wrote: Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 04:24:24 +1100 From: Geoffrey Peters [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: 1GHz Powerbook OS 9 install woes Stardate 060204.12:14 -0500. A subspace message from Kevin O'Grady reads: Just got a PB 1GHz laptop ... I tried to get it to load OS 9, but kept getting a flashing icon even after using my OSX 10.4 DVD to erase and install OS 9 drivers. Where are you getting your Mac OS 9 from? If you're not using the official Restore DVD, then you'll need to have the retail version of Mac OS 9.2.2 on CD, and use *that* to install OS 9 *before* you even think of installing OS 10.x If you have said disc, you should be able to boot from it (insert disc, hit Power and immeditately hold 'C' until you see the happy Mac icon). Use Drive Setup to erase your hard disk, ensuring you choose to do so using HFS Extended (HFS+) as the file-system. ...snip... Geoffrey -- Make sure your Powerbook *can* boot from 9. I don¹t remember which was the last, but it was somewhere near that vintage that 9 boot support ended. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: 1GHz Powerbook OS 9 install woes
The machine's serial # reported (according to http://www.chipmunk.nl/ klantenservice/applemodel.html ) it says that it was built in March of 2003. As far as I can tell it is a dual boot system. The brain fart occurs if you don't have the restore DVD. I have a set of 3 restore disks (+ iMovie 2 (2 disks)), and a restore software CD , one will boot and tell me I can't use it with this computer and the other refuses to boot. It gets so far and then tells me to start up with extensions off and reports an error 11. The laptop has 1 Gb of memory (maxed out) and a DVD Superdrive 1x. I might be interested in beefing up the superdrive, but must cure this non-OS 9 issue first. I liked the answer given earlier about trying an original 9.2 disk and going from there. What I've read from Apple doesn't lean toward this as a solution, however, I tend to trust the experience of people that actually have/use the same hardware as I do. I've recently run into something similar. I was able to install OS 9 on a PB G4 12 by using the Software Install and Restore CD. I booted to it, pretended I was starting over on my hard drive, but only installed OS 9 support. In the end, my mac continued to boot correctly in OSX (10.3.9), however I could launch OS 9 and run Classic apps without a problem. Sorry I can't find the link to the Apple site doc that explained this for me. best of luck -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: 1GHz Powerbook OS 9 install woes
Make sure your Powerbook *can* boot from 9. I don¹t remember which was the last, but it was somewhere near that vintage that 9 boot support ended. Wasn't it the last Ti - 867/1GHz ? I don't think ANY Al can boot into 9. -- Best wishes Malcolm Cornelius - The Powerbook Fanatic http://www.pbfanatic.co.uk -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: 1GHz Powerbook OS 9 install woes
On Feb 4, 2006, at 1:23 PM, Kevin Causey wrote: I was able to install OS 9 on a PB G4 my 1 gig Big Al won't boot from 9 at all... it runs Classic poorly as some system level stuff won't install... I was under the impression it was an Apple induced ROM decision... is that incorrect? Sandra Ragan www.plumdigital.com -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: 1GHz Powerbook OS 9 install woes
On Feb 4, 2006, at 7:55 PM, sandra ragan wrote: On Feb 4, 2006, at 1:23 PM, Kevin Causey wrote: I was able to install OS 9 on a PB G4 my 1 gig Big Al won't boot from 9 at all... it runs Classic poorly as some system level stuff won't install... I was under the impression it was an Apple induced ROM decision... is that incorrect? Why not go to the source : http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html? artnum=86209. Looks like that model does not support booting into OS9. --Larry -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
