Re: DW or TTP? fork from Re: OS 10.3.5

[Mikael Byström]

Timothy, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

>I don't even know what Sasser does. See what a few months with a Mac
does to a guy?

That kind of ignorance is wonderful, isn't it?


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Re: DW or TTP? fork from Re: OS 10.3.5

[Timothy Luoma]

.. Original Message ...
On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 14:57:19 -0700 "Bruce Johnson" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>To be truthful, Timothy also said he 'practices safe computing' which 
>would include keeping your systems up-to-date. Sasser exploited a hole 
>that had been patched several weeks or months before the emergence of 
>the virus, but you're right, one doesn't need to use IE, Outlook or 
>open files of dubious origin to get infected.
>

true.  Windows Update runs daily and I'm behind a hardware firewall.

I don't even know what Sasser does.  See what a few months with a Mac does 
to a guy?




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Re: DW or TTP? fork from Re: OS 10.3.5

[Thomas Ethen]

I guess the bottom line is, that I really don't feel it is my responsibility
to purchase software that I don't need just because others are foolish
enough to run an operating system that is a virus magnet.

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Re: Virus FUD (was Re: DW or TTP? fork from Re: OS 10.3.5)

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Bruce, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

>After 10 years we have finally gotten the majority of our users to 
>recognize these as the hoaxes they are, but it took a long, long time.

Tell me about it.  :)


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Re: DW or TTP? fork from Re: OS 10.3.5

[Bruce Johnson]

On Aug 12, 2004, at 1:55 PM, John wrote:
Timothy Luoma wrote:
On Aug 12, 2004, at 2:38 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote:
(Note, my disdain of AV software applies ONLY to Macs; it is an 
absolutely *essential* piece of software on a Windows system.)
Only if one uses IE, Outlook (Express) and/or opens files of dubious 
origin.
Not true at all! My lone Winblows box got infected with Sasser, and I 
was NOT using IE, Outlook, an I didn't open any attachments (I don't 
do email on it)!
To be truthful, Timothy also said he 'practices safe computing' which 
would include keeping your systems up-to-date. Sasser exploited a hole 
that had been patched several weeks or months before the emergence of 
the virus, but you're right, one doesn't need to use IE, Outlook or 
open files of dubious origin to get infected.

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Re: DW or TTP? fork from Re: OS 10.3.5

[John]

Timothy Luoma wrote:
On Aug 12, 2004, at 2:38 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote:
(Note, my disdain of AV software applies ONLY to Macs; it is an 
absolutely *essential* piece of software on a Windows system.)

Only if one uses IE, Outlook (Express) and/or opens files of dubious 
origin.

Not true at all! My lone Winblows box got infected with Sasser, and I 
was NOT using IE, Outlook, an I didn't open any attachments (I don't do 
email on it)! Actually I don't use that box for anything but an internet 
server for my other machines (mostly Macs) by sharing it's connection 
over my network. The hard drive had died and I replaced it with another, 
which meant a whole new reinstall of the OS (Win2k). I reconfigured my 
internet and ethernet connections, as well as my DirecPc satellite 
receiver and software (why I still had the PC in the first place) and 
let it connect. The next day I noticed that the machine was shutting it 
self down, and re-starting. Long story short, I found it was infected 
with the Sasser worm. So, just avoiding IE and Outlook, and not opening 
attachments isn't enough. Just being connected to the web is enough to 
get a WinDoze box infected these days. So I too consider AV software and 
a firewall a must for PC users.

JR
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Re: DW or TTP? fork from Re: OS 10.3.5

[Timothy Luoma]

On Aug 12, 2004, at 2:38 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote:
(Note, my disdain of AV software applies ONLY to Macs; it is an 
absolutely *essential* piece of software on a Windows system.)
Only if one uses IE, Outlook (Express) and/or opens files of dubious 
origin.

I consider AV a waste of $$ and RAM for my Windows systems, but also 
practice safe computing.

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Re: Virus FUD (was Re: DW or TTP? fork from Re: OS 10.3.5)

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On Aug 12, 2004, at 11:18 AM, Mikael Byström wrote:
Also, you're forgetting social viruses like hoaxmail. I regard these as
human mind viruses and obviously they don't harm computers, but these 
are
still annoying as they come from people you don't want to filter and 
that
should know better.

Alas, no AV software does any good about those.
For them, you may wish to resort to hardware:
< http://tinyurl.com/4yogr>, aka 'a cluestick' :-/
After 10 years we have finally gotten the majority of our users to 
recognize these as the hoaxes they are, but it took a long, long time.

(Sigh, and we've got a new crop of students next week)
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Re: DW or TTP? fork from Re: OS 10.3.5

[Bruce Johnson]

On Aug 12, 2004, at 9:47 AM, Bill Buckhaults wrote:
Can this happen by forwarding[ by Mac] an infected attachment to a pc 
user??
Bill
Possibly. It depends on the person and their mail client on the other 
end, forwarding the e-mail may make the attachment harder to strip out 
and execute. But, that PC user should be running AV software.

(Note, my disdain of AV software applies ONLY to Macs; it is an 
absolutely *essential* piece of software on a Windows system.)

It still requires a deliberate act on the part of the Mac user.
Don't forward dubious attachments to people.
 might as well get the rest of the lecture out
Don't open dubious attachments when you get them.
Don't open attachments you don't expect.
Don't forward emailed warnings about 'viruses that nothing finds and is 
so dangerous the FBI, Bill Gates and AOL have decided to rely on an 
email tree of friends and strangers to tell you about it...' messages 
like  and the like.

All windows e-mail viruses in circulation forge the 'From:' header, so 
if you get an email from your friend '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' saying 'Bill Gates 
says to please to run this important upgrade of the Windows' check the 
headers;  a real AOL mail will originate at AOL somewhere, there will 
be a "received from:" line in there that mentions AOL.

(This makes things a problem, particularly in a corporate setting, 
since you could well see an infected mail come from inside the company. 
It still won't be from who it says it is, and if these things are going 
around your company, you have bigger problems.)

No current windows email virus in circulation actually contains the 
content it claims to have. 'HotNakedBritney.avi.exe' does NOT somehow 
contain a video of Britney in addition to the virus.

Therefore, double-clicking *harder* or *more often* will NOT extract 
that tantalizing 'HotNakedBritney.avi' out of the email.

When you click on an attachment, and the AV software pops up and says 
it's an infected file. DO NOT CALL your help desk and demand that 
someone come down and stop that from happening so you can see the 
important file it won't let you open. (True story, I swear to Dog, I 
got that phone call. No, it wasn't HotNakedBritney.avi )


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Re: Virus FUD (was Re: DW or TTP? fork from Re: OS 10.3.5)

[Mikael Byström]

Luis, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

>There is no way you are passing those virus unwillingly.
"Unknowingly" there are ways to pass on viruses. One favorite among
people I exchange messages with are forwarding of Word files (30+
infected in the last few years) and also other formats, that they for
reasons, often obscure to me, do think are OK and vital for the message.

Some people may even pass on .scr files for some reason, but the majority
don't come from them of course. I'm sure this minority was passing them
on "Unknowingly" without the intention to passing on viruses.

Also, you're forgetting social viruses like hoaxmail. I regard these as
human mind viruses and obviously they don't harm computers, but these are
still annoying as they come from people you don't want to filter and that
should know better.


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Re: DW or TTP? fork from Re: OS 10.3.5

[Mikael Byström]

Bruce, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

>Looking at the logs of our AV server on the network, I see NO 
>Word macro viruses found in a long long time. Moreover, modern versions 
>of Word warn you when a file is opened with macros in it, and offer you 
>the choice of opening it without them present. Immediately re-saving 
>the document will eliminate the Macro viruses.
And everybody in the world are using "modern versions of Word"?

>We have 4-500 users on our system getting Word files from all over the 
>world.
Good for you, but that doesn't prove anything at all.

BTW, I didn't mean I have seen NEW word viruses lately, but I've seen
many being spread around.




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Re: DW or TTP? fork from Re: OS 10.3.5

[Mikael Byström]

Bill, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

>Can this happen by forwarding[ by Mac] an infected attachment to a pc user??
Obviously. Though a well behaved user would of course try first to make
sure they didn't forward it.

One way is to "clean" the attachment with a modern word app as Bruce
suggested or as I used to do with MacLink as I wasn't using Word, while I
was exchanging files with Word users PC and Mac.


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Re: DW or TTP? fork from Re: OS 10.3.5

[Bill Buckhaults]

Can this happen by forwarding[ by Mac] an infected attachment to a pc user??
Bill
Bruce Johnson wrote:
On Aug 11, 2004, at 5:40 PM, B Gardner wrote:
I hear you but I just can't seem to justify 100.00 (per year) for a 
virus program and other stuff I just don't need. I would rather spend 
60.00 on a single program. I realize that virus on a Mac are the 
least of my problems but I am getting an amazing number of them 
through email. I believe I am passing them (unwillingly) to others 
who use Windows. I just want to take all precautions.

No, you're not. The only way to do this is to take the attachment off 
the virus e-mail, attach it to a friends e-mail address and send it to 
them.


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Re: DW or TTP? fork from Re: OS 10.3.5

[Bruce Johnson]

On Aug 12, 2004, at 5:36 AM, Mikael Byström wrote:
Bruce, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
There are some folks who will argue that Mac users need to use AV
software to protect hapless Windows users you may communicate with, 
but
transmitting a virus like that requires a deliberate act. You can't
just do it 'accidentally'.
Word viruses can survive a trip to Macs and Word and then be passed on.
Letting that happen can be a bad choice for a business relationship, no
matter if you got the file from another person.
Sigh. Looking at the logs of our AV server on the network, I see NO 
Word macro viruses found in a long long time. Moreover, modern versions 
of Word warn you when a file is opened with macros in it, and offer you 
the choice of opening it without them present. Immediately re-saving 
the document will eliminate the Macro viruses.

We have 4-500 users on our system getting Word files from all over the 
world.

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Re: DW or TTP? fork from Re: OS 10.3.5

[Bruce Johnson]

On Aug 11, 2004, at 5:40 PM, B Gardner wrote:
I hear you but I just can't seem to justify 100.00 (per year) for a 
virus program and other stuff I just don't need. I would rather spend 
60.00 on a single program. I realize that virus on a Mac are the least 
of my problems but I am getting an amazing number of them through 
email. I believe I am passing them (unwillingly) to others who use 
Windows. I just want to take all precautions.
No, you're not. The only way to do this is to take the attachment off 
the virus e-mail, attach it to a friends e-mail address and send it to 
them.


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Virus FUD (was Re: DW or TTP? fork from Re: OS 10.3.5)

[Luis Sequeira]

I hear you but I just can't seem to justify 100.00 (per year) for a
virus program and other stuff I just don't need. I would rather spend
60.00 on a single program. I realize that virus on a Mac are the least
of my problems but I am getting an amazing number of them through
email. I believe I am passing them (unwillingly) to others who use
Windows. I just want to take all precautions.
There is no way you are passing those virus unwillingly.
People may believe they receive infected e-mail from you, but that is 
because the viruses send e-mail with fake addresses: if someone with 
an infected windows machine has your address, then a virus may send 
infected messages that PRETEND to come from you to other people in 
this guy's address book.
Then some of these messages may bounce and, of course, they bounce to 
you (the ALLEGED sender), but you did not send them and there is 
nothing you can do to prevent that. They can keep sending those 
messages regardless of you (no AV software, and not even turning off 
your mac forever can do anything about it).

Luis Sequeira
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Re: DW or TTP? fork from Re: OS 10.3.5

[Mikael Byström]

Thomas, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

>You can't possibly spread them to anyone else unless you physically include
>the virus infested attachment when you send you email to a windows machine.
Never heard of Word viruses? This is in my circles, a bunch of Mac users
at work and in school and with many having a PC home, the major virus vehicle.

Also, some people in the Mac don't show file endings, don't take notice
of them even if shown and could very well spread these unwillingly.

I don't have a Virus app any longer, though I used to own Virex under OS
9. But, I don't have a habit of recommending my choices for other people
that may have other less intimate relationships with their machines. Not
that I'd expect that from users on this list of course.


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Re: DW or TTP? fork from Re: OS 10.3.5

[Mikael Byström]

Bruce, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

>There are some folks who will argue that Mac users need to use AV 
>software to protect hapless Windows users you may communicate with, but 
>transmitting a virus like that requires a deliberate act. You can't 
>just do it 'accidentally'.

Word viruses can survive a trip to Macs and Word and then be passed on.
Letting that happen can be a bad choice for a business relationship, no
matter if you got the file from another person.

>I've not seen a new Word or Excel macro virus released in over two 
>years; the default settings of Word X and Excel X (and since Office 
>2000 on the Windows side) would prevent them from working.
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Re: DW or TTP? fork from Re: OS 10.3.5

[Thomas Ethen]

You can't possibly spread them to anyone else unless you physically include
the virus infested attachment when you send you email to a windows machine.

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Re: DW or TTP? fork from Re: OS 10.3.5

[B Gardner]

I hear you but I just can't seem to justify 100.00 (per year) for a 
virus program and other stuff I just don't need. I would rather spend 
60.00 on a single program. I realize that virus on a Mac are the least 
of my problems but I am getting an amazing number of them through 
email. I believe I am passing them (unwillingly) to others who use 
Windows. I just want to take all precautions.

Thanks,
Byron
On Aug 11, 2004, at 7:04 PM, Aaron Willems wrote:
Bryon,
To be perfectly honest with you, I don't run anti-virus software on my 
Mac.
I don't find it necessary. I know what to look for. I just delete it 
when it
comes in. None of the current viruses out there effect the Mac 
platform.
They are all Windows viruses. It doesn't mean that someday, someone 
will for
make a virus for the Mac platform. We have been lucky so far.

You might want to consider running anti-virus software, if your 
concerned
about passing a virus to a friend on a Windows box. Do you have a .Mac
subscription. Along with getting your .Mac email account, you get a 
copy of
Virex and a one year subscription to versiontracker.com. Might not be 
a bad
deal, if your considering running anti-virus software on your Mac.

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Aaron, may I borrow some more of your expertise? What would you
recommend in the way of Virus software?
While I have not seemed to have a problem with my Mac, I do seem to 
see
alot of emails that are carrying viruses around.

But in general what do you recommend?
Thanks,
Byron Gardner

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Re: DW or TTP? fork from Re: OS 10.3.5

[Bruce Johnson]

On Aug 11, 2004, at 4:50 PM, B Gardner wrote:
Aaron, may I borrow some more of your expertise? What would you 
recommend in the way of Virus software?

While I have not seemed to have a problem with my Mac, I do seem to 
see alot of emails that are carrying viruses around.
Sigh. THERE ARE NO MAC VIRUSES IN THE WILD. There may be a handful of 
old viruses floating about for OS 9, but in the years since OS X has 
been released NOT ONE SINGLE OS X VIRUS has emerged.

You don't need AV software. Just delete the virus-laden e-mails.
There are some folks who will argue that Mac users need to use AV 
software to protect hapless Windows users you may communicate with, but 
transmitting a virus like that requires a deliberate act. You can't 
just do it 'accidentally'.

Besides, I think of it as evolution in action. Sorry Windows folks, but 
I'm not going to be an enabler any more. You're too stupid to switch, 
you deserve the crap you get for running Windows.

(note, this rant is informed by by a recent infestation of viruses here 
on campus. All these allegedly intelligent sysadmins bemoaning about 
how this AV product or that AV product had failed to catch the latest 
threat, while the mac admins shake their heads in disbelief...HOW MANY 
TIMES does this have to happen before people realize that there *might* 
just be a problem with their sheep-like devotion to MS...I mean, 
they're like the old joke about the guy complaining to his doctor "It 
hurts when I do this!" and the doctor says "So stop doing that." Only 
in this joke, the guy says "Oh, no Doc, that can't be right, everybody 
is doing this!"

My mom had the answer for that one "So if Jimmy jumped off the roof, 
you would too?")

I've not seen a new Word or Excel macro virus released in over two 
years; the default settings of Word X and Excel X (and since Office 
2000 on the Windows side) would prevent them from working.

Until (and if, this is a *big* if) there are ever Mac viruses (under OS 
X) all that AV software is, is a waste of money and computing 
resources.

I know Philip may charge in here with vague and OOOH SCARY warnings 
about how horridly insecure OS X is and we're just fooling ourselves if 
we believe that there isn't a horde of horrible things just waiting to 
happen to OS X...I say this is vastly overblown by folks with a vested 
interest in scaring people, like Intego.

I say I'll believe it when I see it happen.
An effective third party attack on OS X has yet to be demonstrated. Any 
exploit I've ever seen requires, at the very least, a local user 
account.

But it just ain't so. Out of the box OS X is the most secure consumer 
OS by a long long shot. Out of the box there isn't anything running to 
attack.

The only safer OS is OS 9.
If you wish to install AV software, by all means do so, but be aware 
that it's merely a security blanket; it doesn't actually *do* anything 
useful.

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Re: DW or TTP? fork from Re: OS 10.3.5

[Aaron Willems]

Bryon,

To be perfectly honest with you, I don't run anti-virus software on my Mac.
I don't find it necessary. I know what to look for. I just delete it when it
comes in. None of the current viruses out there effect the Mac platform.
They are all Windows viruses. It doesn't mean that someday, someone will for
make a virus for the Mac platform. We have been lucky so far.

You might want to consider running anti-virus software, if your concerned
about passing a virus to a friend on a Windows box. Do you have a .Mac
subscription. Along with getting your .Mac email account, you get a copy of
Virex and a one year subscription to versiontracker.com. Might not be a bad
deal, if your considering running anti-virus software on your Mac.

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> Aaron, may I borrow some more of your expertise? What would you
> recommend in the way of Virus software?
> 
> While I have not seemed to have a problem with my Mac, I do seem to see
> alot of emails that are carrying viruses around.
> 
> But in general what do you recommend?
> 
> Thanks,
> Byron Gardner



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Re: DW or TTP? fork from Re: OS 10.3.5

[B Gardner]

Aaron, may I borrow some more of your expertise? What would you 
recommend in the way of Virus software?

While I have not seemed to have a problem with my Mac, I do seem to see 
alot of emails that are carrying viruses around.

But in general what do you recommend?
Thanks,
Byron Gardner
On Aug 11, 2004, at 11:34 AM, Aaron Willems wrote:
I use both. I use Techtool Pro, when I want to test hardware. When it 
comes
to repairing the OS, I use Diskwarrior. If you can only afford one 
know,
it's best to start with DiskWarrior. Later on, you can get TechTool 
Pro. If
you have a newer Mac, and you purchased AppleCare, TechTool Pro comes 
with
your AppleCare package.

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The quote below raises the query: Which should I buy?
Which is better, DiskWarrior or TechTool Pro?
Are there price breaks for those that purchase one and
want to try the other?
Don

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Re: DW or TTP

[Thomas Ethen]

I have both (Got a deal on TT at MacWorld) and really only use DW. I did run
through all the options in TT when I first got it, but then really never
used it again. DW on the other hand is very handy, does what it claims and
does it very well.

Tom
> 
>   DW is a one-trick pony but it does that one trick *exceedingly* well,
> better than anyone else.
> 
>   TT Pro has lots of *seemingly* useful bells and whistles that I just
> never needed or used.
> 
>   Ciao,
>   bob 
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Re: DW or TTP

[Bob Gir.]

FWIW, I have had both and would strongly urge you to get Disk Warrior.

As Andrew said:

> DW has always been unique, i.e. it addresses a
> level of the file system that no other utility works with, and like
> many others I can report it has several times recovered disks that
> otherwise seemed hopeless.

DW is a one-trick pony but it does that one trick *exceedingly* well,
better than anyone else.

TT Pro has lots of *seemingly* useful bells and whistles that I just
never needed or used.

Ciao,
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Re: DW or TTP? fork from Re: OS 10.3.5

[Aaron Willems]

I use both. I use Techtool Pro, when I want to test hardware. When it comes
to repairing the OS, I use Diskwarrior. If you can only afford one know,
it's best to start with DiskWarrior. Later on, you can get TechTool Pro. If
you have a newer Mac, and you purchased AppleCare, TechTool Pro comes with
your AppleCare package.

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> The quote below raises the query: Which should I buy?
> Which is better, DiskWarrior or TechTool Pro?
> Are there price breaks for those that purchase one and
> want to try the other?
> Don
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Re: DW or TTP? fork from Re: OS 10.3.5

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On 8/10/04 11:56 PM, "Don P." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> The quote below raises the query: Which should I buy?
> Which is better, DiskWarrior or TechTool Pro?
> Are there price breaks for those that purchase one and
> want to try the other?

You are never too skinny, you never have too much money, your computer never
has enough RAM, and you never have too many disk utility apps.

TechTool Pro isn't just a hard drive utility, it also tests RAM, video
cards, etc etc. A worthwhile tool. DiskWarrior does one job and does it
well. Both are in my arsenal and I highly recommend both. It would be nice
if the two companies go together and offered a bundle at a discount, but
they don't.


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Re: DW or TTP? fork from Re: OS 10.3.5

[Andrew Main]

TimH wrote:
Tidbits () had a very thorough report on current disk
utilities a couple of months ago - it'll be archived on their site.
Indeed; here it is:

(Note link to TTP 4 review at right.)
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Re: DW or TTP? fork from Re: OS 10.3.5

[Tim Hodgson]

On Wed, Aug 11, 2004 at 4:52 am -0600, Andrew Main wrote:

>>The quote below raises the query: Which should I buy?
>>Which is better, DiskWarrior or TechTool Pro?
>>Are there price breaks for those that purchase one and
>>want to try the other?
>>Don
>
>As I understand it, the two are different in what they do, though I'm 
>not clear exactly how: DW has always been unique, i.e. it addresses a 
>level of the file system that no other utility works with, and like 
>many others I can report it has several times recovered disks that 
>otherwise seemed hopeless. TTP does many things, but its file system 
>repair, like the late Norton Disk Doctor's, is essentially a 
>revved-up version of Disk Utility's Repair Disk function (or the 
>classic OS's Disk First Aid). And the user reports on TTP at 
>MacInTouch  have been very 
>mixed. So I'd recommend you get DiskWarrior, and don't bother with 
>TechToolPro.

Tidbits () had a very thorough report on current disk
utilities a couple of months ago - it'll be archived on their site.

TimH


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Re: DW or TTP? fork from Re: OS 10.3.5

[Andrew Main]

The quote below raises the query: Which should I buy?
Which is better, DiskWarrior or TechTool Pro?
Are there price breaks for those that purchase one and
want to try the other?
Don
As I understand it, the two are different in what they do, though I'm 
not clear exactly how: DW has always been unique, i.e. it addresses a 
level of the file system that no other utility works with, and like 
many others I can report it has several times recovered disks that 
otherwise seemed hopeless. TTP does many things, but its file system 
repair, like the late Norton Disk Doctor's, is essentially a 
revved-up version of Disk Utility's Repair Disk function (or the 
classic OS's Disk First Aid). And the user reports on TTP at 
MacInTouch  have been very 
mixed. So I'd recommend you get DiskWarrior, and don't bother with 
TechToolPro.

Andrew Main
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DW or TTP? fork from Re: OS 10.3.5

[Don P.]

The quote below raises the query: Which should I buy?
Which is better, DiskWarrior or TechTool Pro?
Are there price breaks for those that purchase one and
want to try the other?
Don

" From today's MacFixIt:

1. Make sure your hard drive is in good shape: Boot
from the OS X 
Install CD and run Disk Utility's Repair Disk function
(or use a 
third-party drive utility such as DiskWarrior or
TechTool Pro).
2. When booted from the volume containing Mac OS X,
run Disk 
Utility's Repair Disk Permissions function.
3. Install the update.
4. After rebooting, again run Repair Disk Permissions.

Note item #2.

Andrew Main

>I disagree. You should read Macfixit more often. Many
people have 
problems
>after installing an OS X update. Better to be safe
than sorry. By the 
way,
>the advice I gave comes straight from MACFIXIT.
>--
>Aaron Willems
>
>>
>  > OSX isn't that fragile...heck *Windows* isn't
that fragile!
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