Re: DW or TTP? fork from Re: OS 10.3.5
Timothy, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I don't even know what Sasser does. See what a few months with a Mac does to a guy? That kind of ignorance is wonderful, isn't it? -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: DW or TTP? fork from Re: OS 10.3.5
.. Original Message ... On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 14:57:19 -0700 Bruce Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To be truthful, Timothy also said he 'practices safe computing' which would include keeping your systems up-to-date. Sasser exploited a hole that had been patched several weeks or months before the emergence of the virus, but you're right, one doesn't need to use IE, Outlook or open files of dubious origin to get infected. true. Windows Update runs daily and I'm behind a hardware firewall. I don't even know what Sasser does. See what a few months with a Mac does to a guy? -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: DW or TTP? fork from Re: OS 10.3.5
Bruce, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: There are some folks who will argue that Mac users need to use AV software to protect hapless Windows users you may communicate with, but transmitting a virus like that requires a deliberate act. You can't just do it 'accidentally'. Word viruses can survive a trip to Macs and Word and then be passed on. Letting that happen can be a bad choice for a business relationship, no matter if you got the file from another person. I've not seen a new Word or Excel macro virus released in over two years; the default settings of Word X and Excel X (and since Office 2000 on the Windows side) would prevent them from working. I have. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: DW or TTP? fork from Re: OS 10.3.5
Thomas, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: You can't possibly spread them to anyone else unless you physically include the virus infested attachment when you send you email to a windows machine. Never heard of Word viruses? This is in my circles, a bunch of Mac users at work and in school and with many having a PC home, the major virus vehicle. Also, some people in the Mac don't show file endings, don't take notice of them even if shown and could very well spread these unwillingly. I don't have a Virus app any longer, though I used to own Virex under OS 9. But, I don't have a habit of recommending my choices for other people that may have other less intimate relationships with their machines. Not that I'd expect that from users on this list of course. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Virus FUD (was Re: DW or TTP? fork from Re: OS 10.3.5)
I hear you but I just can't seem to justify 100.00 (per year) for a virus program and other stuff I just don't need. I would rather spend 60.00 on a single program. I realize that virus on a Mac are the least of my problems but I am getting an amazing number of them through email. I believe I am passing them (unwillingly) to others who use Windows. I just want to take all precautions. There is no way you are passing those virus unwillingly. People may believe they receive infected e-mail from you, but that is because the viruses send e-mail with fake addresses: if someone with an infected windows machine has your address, then a virus may send infected messages that PRETEND to come from you to other people in this guy's address book. Then some of these messages may bounce and, of course, they bounce to you (the ALLEGED sender), but you did not send them and there is nothing you can do to prevent that. They can keep sending those messages regardless of you (no AV software, and not even turning off your mac forever can do anything about it). Luis Sequeira -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: DW or TTP? fork from Re: OS 10.3.5
On Aug 11, 2004, at 5:40 PM, B Gardner wrote: I hear you but I just can't seem to justify 100.00 (per year) for a virus program and other stuff I just don't need. I would rather spend 60.00 on a single program. I realize that virus on a Mac are the least of my problems but I am getting an amazing number of them through email. I believe I am passing them (unwillingly) to others who use Windows. I just want to take all precautions. No, you're not. The only way to do this is to take the attachment off the virus e-mail, attach it to a friends e-mail address and send it to them. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Phar macy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: DW or TTP? fork from Re: OS 10.3.5
On Aug 12, 2004, at 5:36 AM, Mikael Byström wrote: Bruce, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: There are some folks who will argue that Mac users need to use AV software to protect hapless Windows users you may communicate with, but transmitting a virus like that requires a deliberate act. You can't just do it 'accidentally'. Word viruses can survive a trip to Macs and Word and then be passed on. Letting that happen can be a bad choice for a business relationship, no matter if you got the file from another person. Sigh. Looking at the logs of our AV server on the network, I see NO Word macro viruses found in a long long time. Moreover, modern versions of Word warn you when a file is opened with macros in it, and offer you the choice of opening it without them present. Immediately re-saving the document will eliminate the Macro viruses. We have 4-500 users on our system getting Word files from all over the world. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Phar macy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: DW or TTP? fork from Re: OS 10.3.5
Can this happen by forwarding[ by Mac] an infected attachment to a pc user?? Bill Bruce Johnson wrote: On Aug 11, 2004, at 5:40 PM, B Gardner wrote: I hear you but I just can't seem to justify 100.00 (per year) for a virus program and other stuff I just don't need. I would rather spend 60.00 on a single program. I realize that virus on a Mac are the least of my problems but I am getting an amazing number of them through email. I believe I am passing them (unwillingly) to others who use Windows. I just want to take all precautions. No, you're not. The only way to do this is to take the attachment off the virus e-mail, attach it to a friends e-mail address and send it to them. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Phar macy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: DW or TTP? fork from Re: OS 10.3.5
Bill, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Can this happen by forwarding[ by Mac] an infected attachment to a pc user?? Obviously. Though a well behaved user would of course try first to make sure they didn't forward it. One way is to clean the attachment with a modern word app as Bruce suggested or as I used to do with MacLink as I wasn't using Word, while I was exchanging files with Word users PC and Mac. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: DW or TTP? fork from Re: OS 10.3.5
Bruce, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Looking at the logs of our AV server on the network, I see NO Word macro viruses found in a long long time. Moreover, modern versions of Word warn you when a file is opened with macros in it, and offer you the choice of opening it without them present. Immediately re-saving the document will eliminate the Macro viruses. And everybody in the world are using modern versions of Word? We have 4-500 users on our system getting Word files from all over the world. Good for you, but that doesn't prove anything at all. BTW, I didn't mean I have seen NEW word viruses lately, but I've seen many being spread around. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Virus FUD (was Re: DW or TTP? fork from Re: OS 10.3.5)
Luis, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: There is no way you are passing those virus unwillingly. Unknowingly there are ways to pass on viruses. One favorite among people I exchange messages with are forwarding of Word files (30+ infected in the last few years) and also other formats, that they for reasons, often obscure to me, do think are OK and vital for the message. Some people may even pass on .scr files for some reason, but the majority don't come from them of course. I'm sure this minority was passing them on Unknowingly without the intention to passing on viruses. Also, you're forgetting social viruses like hoaxmail. I regard these as human mind viruses and obviously they don't harm computers, but these are still annoying as they come from people you don't want to filter and that should know better. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: DW or TTP? fork from Re: OS 10.3.5
On Aug 12, 2004, at 9:47 AM, Bill Buckhaults wrote: Can this happen by forwarding[ by Mac] an infected attachment to a pc user?? Bill Possibly. It depends on the person and their mail client on the other end, forwarding the e-mail may make the attachment harder to strip out and execute. But, that PC user should be running AV software. (Note, my disdain of AV software applies ONLY to Macs; it is an absolutely *essential* piece of software on a Windows system.) It still requires a deliberate act on the part of the Mac user. Don't forward dubious attachments to people. sigh might as well get the rest of the lecture out Don't open dubious attachments when you get them. Don't open attachments you don't expect. Don't forward emailed warnings about 'viruses that nothing finds and is so dangerous the FBI, Bill Gates and AOL have decided to rely on an email tree of friends and strangers to tell you about it...' messages like http://tinyurl.com/6k6jl and the like. All windows e-mail viruses in circulation forge the 'From:' header, so if you get an email from your friend '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' saying 'Bill Gates says to please to run this important upgrade of the Windows' check the headers; a real AOL mail will originate at AOL somewhere, there will be a received from: line in there that mentions AOL. (This makes things a problem, particularly in a corporate setting, since you could well see an infected mail come from inside the company. It still won't be from who it says it is, and if these things are going around your company, you have bigger problems.) No current windows email virus in circulation actually contains the content it claims to have. 'HotNakedBritney.avi.exe' does NOT somehow contain a video of Britney in addition to the virus. Therefore, double-clicking *harder* or *more often* will NOT extract that tantalizing 'HotNakedBritney.avi' out of the email. When you click on an attachment, and the AV software pops up and says it's an infected file. DO NOT CALL your help desk and demand that someone come down and stop that from happening so you can see the important file it won't let you open. (True story, I swear to Dog, I got that phone call. No, it wasn't HotNakedBritney.avi ) -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Phar macy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Virus FUD (was Re: DW or TTP? fork from Re: OS 10.3.5)
On Aug 12, 2004, at 11:18 AM, Mikael Byström wrote: Also, you're forgetting social viruses like hoaxmail. I regard these as human mind viruses and obviously they don't harm computers, but these are still annoying as they come from people you don't want to filter and that should know better. Alas, no AV software does any good about those. For them, you may wish to resort to hardware: http://tinyurl.com/4yogr, aka 'a cluestick' :-/ After 10 years we have finally gotten the majority of our users to recognize these as the hoaxes they are, but it took a long, long time. (Sigh, and we've got a new crop of students next week) -- Bruce Johnson This is the sig who says 'Ni!' -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: DW or TTP? fork from Re: OS 10.3.5
On Aug 12, 2004, at 2:38 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: (Note, my disdain of AV software applies ONLY to Macs; it is an absolutely *essential* piece of software on a Windows system.) Only if one uses IE, Outlook (Express) and/or opens files of dubious origin. I consider AV a waste of $$ and RAM for my Windows systems, but also practice safe computing. TjL -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: DW or TTP? fork from Re: OS 10.3.5
Timothy Luoma wrote: On Aug 12, 2004, at 2:38 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: (Note, my disdain of AV software applies ONLY to Macs; it is an absolutely *essential* piece of software on a Windows system.) Only if one uses IE, Outlook (Express) and/or opens files of dubious origin. Not true at all! My lone Winblows box got infected with Sasser, and I was NOT using IE, Outlook, an I didn't open any attachments (I don't do email on it)! Actually I don't use that box for anything but an internet server for my other machines (mostly Macs) by sharing it's connection over my network. The hard drive had died and I replaced it with another, which meant a whole new reinstall of the OS (Win2k). I reconfigured my internet and ethernet connections, as well as my DirecPc satellite receiver and software (why I still had the PC in the first place) and let it connect. The next day I noticed that the machine was shutting it self down, and re-starting. Long story short, I found it was infected with the Sasser worm. So, just avoiding IE and Outlook, and not opening attachments isn't enough. Just being connected to the web is enough to get a WinDoze box infected these days. So I too consider AV software and a firewall a must for PC users. JR -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: DW or TTP? fork from Re: OS 10.3.5
On Aug 12, 2004, at 1:55 PM, John wrote: Timothy Luoma wrote: On Aug 12, 2004, at 2:38 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: (Note, my disdain of AV software applies ONLY to Macs; it is an absolutely *essential* piece of software on a Windows system.) Only if one uses IE, Outlook (Express) and/or opens files of dubious origin. Not true at all! My lone Winblows box got infected with Sasser, and I was NOT using IE, Outlook, an I didn't open any attachments (I don't do email on it)! To be truthful, Timothy also said he 'practices safe computing' which would include keeping your systems up-to-date. Sasser exploited a hole that had been patched several weeks or months before the emergence of the virus, but you're right, one doesn't need to use IE, Outlook or open files of dubious origin to get infected. -- Bruce Johnson This is the sig who says 'Ni!' -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Virus FUD (was Re: DW or TTP? fork from Re: OS 10.3.5)
Bruce, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: After 10 years we have finally gotten the majority of our users to recognize these as the hoaxes they are, but it took a long, long time. Tell me about it. :) -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: DW or TTP? fork from Re: OS 10.3.5
The quote below raises the query: Which should I buy? Which is better, DiskWarrior or TechTool Pro? Are there price breaks for those that purchase one and want to try the other? Don As I understand it, the two are different in what they do, though I'm not clear exactly how: DW has always been unique, i.e. it addresses a level of the file system that no other utility works with, and like many others I can report it has several times recovered disks that otherwise seemed hopeless. TTP does many things, but its file system repair, like the late Norton Disk Doctor's, is essentially a revved-up version of Disk Utility's Repair Disk function (or the classic OS's Disk First Aid). And the user reports on TTP at MacInTouch http://www.macintouch.com/techtool.html have been very mixed. So I'd recommend you get DiskWarrior, and don't bother with TechToolPro. Andrew Main -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: DW or TTP? fork from Re: OS 10.3.5
On Wed, Aug 11, 2004 at 4:52 am -0600, Andrew Main wrote: The quote below raises the query: Which should I buy? Which is better, DiskWarrior or TechTool Pro? Are there price breaks for those that purchase one and want to try the other? Don As I understand it, the two are different in what they do, though I'm not clear exactly how: DW has always been unique, i.e. it addresses a level of the file system that no other utility works with, and like many others I can report it has several times recovered disks that otherwise seemed hopeless. TTP does many things, but its file system repair, like the late Norton Disk Doctor's, is essentially a revved-up version of Disk Utility's Repair Disk function (or the classic OS's Disk First Aid). And the user reports on TTP at MacInTouch http://www.macintouch.com/techtool.html have been very mixed. So I'd recommend you get DiskWarrior, and don't bother with TechToolPro. Tidbits (www.tidbits.com) had a very thorough report on current disk utilities a couple of months ago - it'll be archived on their site. TimH -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: DW or TTP? fork from Re: OS 10.3.5
TimH wrote: Tidbits (www.tidbits.com) had a very thorough report on current disk utilities a couple of months ago - it'll be archived on their site. Indeed; here it is: http://db.tidbits.com/getbits.acgi?tbart=07451 (Note link to TTP 4 review at right.) Andrew Main -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: DW or TTP? fork from Re: OS 10.3.5
On 8/10/04 11:56 PM, Don P. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The quote below raises the query: Which should I buy? Which is better, DiskWarrior or TechTool Pro? Are there price breaks for those that purchase one and want to try the other? You are never too skinny, you never have too much money, your computer never has enough RAM, and you never have too many disk utility apps. TechTool Pro isn't just a hard drive utility, it also tests RAM, video cards, etc etc. A worthwhile tool. DiskWarrior does one job and does it well. Both are in my arsenal and I highly recommend both. It would be nice if the two companies go together and offered a bundle at a discount, but they don't. david -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: DW or TTP? fork from Re: OS 10.3.5
I use both. I use Techtool Pro, when I want to test hardware. When it comes to repairing the OS, I use Diskwarrior. If you can only afford one know, it's best to start with DiskWarrior. Later on, you can get TechTool Pro. If you have a newer Mac, and you purchased AppleCare, TechTool Pro comes with your AppleCare package. Regards, -- Aaron Willems Network Administrator Lieberman Productions Philo Television The quote below raises the query: Which should I buy? Which is better, DiskWarrior or TechTool Pro? Are there price breaks for those that purchase one and want to try the other? Don -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: DW or TTP? fork from Re: OS 10.3.5
Aaron, may I borrow some more of your expertise? What would you recommend in the way of Virus software? While I have not seemed to have a problem with my Mac, I do seem to see alot of emails that are carrying viruses around. But in general what do you recommend? Thanks, Byron Gardner On Aug 11, 2004, at 11:34 AM, Aaron Willems wrote: I use both. I use Techtool Pro, when I want to test hardware. When it comes to repairing the OS, I use Diskwarrior. If you can only afford one know, it's best to start with DiskWarrior. Later on, you can get TechTool Pro. If you have a newer Mac, and you purchased AppleCare, TechTool Pro comes with your AppleCare package. Regards, -- Aaron Willems Network Administrator Lieberman Productions Philo Television The quote below raises the query: Which should I buy? Which is better, DiskWarrior or TechTool Pro? Are there price breaks for those that purchase one and want to try the other? Don -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com --- -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: DW or TTP? fork from Re: OS 10.3.5
Bryon, To be perfectly honest with you, I don't run anti-virus software on my Mac. I don't find it necessary. I know what to look for. I just delete it when it comes in. None of the current viruses out there effect the Mac platform. They are all Windows viruses. It doesn't mean that someday, someone will for make a virus for the Mac platform. We have been lucky so far. You might want to consider running anti-virus software, if your concerned about passing a virus to a friend on a Windows box. Do you have a .Mac subscription. Along with getting your .Mac email account, you get a copy of Virex and a one year subscription to versiontracker.com. Might not be a bad deal, if your considering running anti-virus software on your Mac. Regards, -- Aaron Willems Network Administrator Lieberman Productions Philo Television Aaron, may I borrow some more of your expertise? What would you recommend in the way of Virus software? While I have not seemed to have a problem with my Mac, I do seem to see alot of emails that are carrying viruses around. But in general what do you recommend? Thanks, Byron Gardner -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: DW or TTP? fork from Re: OS 10.3.5
On Aug 11, 2004, at 4:50 PM, B Gardner wrote: Aaron, may I borrow some more of your expertise? What would you recommend in the way of Virus software? While I have not seemed to have a problem with my Mac, I do seem to see alot of emails that are carrying viruses around. Sigh. THERE ARE NO MAC VIRUSES IN THE WILD. There may be a handful of old viruses floating about for OS 9, but in the years since OS X has been released NOT ONE SINGLE OS X VIRUS has emerged. You don't need AV software. Just delete the virus-laden e-mails. There are some folks who will argue that Mac users need to use AV software to protect hapless Windows users you may communicate with, but transmitting a virus like that requires a deliberate act. You can't just do it 'accidentally'. Besides, I think of it as evolution in action. Sorry Windows folks, but I'm not going to be an enabler any more. You're too stupid to switch, you deserve the crap you get for running Windows. (note, this rant is informed by by a recent infestation of viruses here on campus. All these allegedly intelligent sysadmins bemoaning about how this AV product or that AV product had failed to catch the latest threat, while the mac admins shake their heads in disbelief...HOW MANY TIMES does this have to happen before people realize that there *might* just be a problem with their sheep-like devotion to MS...I mean, they're like the old joke about the guy complaining to his doctor It hurts when I do this! and the doctor says So stop doing that. Only in this joke, the guy says Oh, no Doc, that can't be right, everybody is doing this! My mom had the answer for that one So if Jimmy jumped off the roof, you would too?) I've not seen a new Word or Excel macro virus released in over two years; the default settings of Word X and Excel X (and since Office 2000 on the Windows side) would prevent them from working. Until (and if, this is a *big* if) there are ever Mac viruses (under OS X) all that AV software is, is a waste of money and computing resources. I know Philip may charge in here with vague and OOOH SCARY warnings about how horridly insecure OS X is and we're just fooling ourselves if we believe that there isn't a horde of horrible things just waiting to happen to OS X...I say this is vastly overblown by folks with a vested interest in scaring people, like Intego. I say I'll believe it when I see it happen. An effective third party attack on OS X has yet to be demonstrated. Any exploit I've ever seen requires, at the very least, a local user account. But it just ain't so. Out of the box OS X is the most secure consumer OS by a long long shot. Out of the box there isn't anything running to attack. The only safer OS is OS 9. If you wish to install AV software, by all means do so, but be aware that it's merely a security blanket; it doesn't actually *do* anything useful. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Phar macy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: DW or TTP? fork from Re: OS 10.3.5
I hear you but I just can't seem to justify 100.00 (per year) for a virus program and other stuff I just don't need. I would rather spend 60.00 on a single program. I realize that virus on a Mac are the least of my problems but I am getting an amazing number of them through email. I believe I am passing them (unwillingly) to others who use Windows. I just want to take all precautions. Thanks, Byron On Aug 11, 2004, at 7:04 PM, Aaron Willems wrote: Bryon, To be perfectly honest with you, I don't run anti-virus software on my Mac. I don't find it necessary. I know what to look for. I just delete it when it comes in. None of the current viruses out there effect the Mac platform. They are all Windows viruses. It doesn't mean that someday, someone will for make a virus for the Mac platform. We have been lucky so far. You might want to consider running anti-virus software, if your concerned about passing a virus to a friend on a Windows box. Do you have a .Mac subscription. Along with getting your .Mac email account, you get a copy of Virex and a one year subscription to versiontracker.com. Might not be a bad deal, if your considering running anti-virus software on your Mac. Regards, -- Aaron Willems Network Administrator Lieberman Productions Philo Television Aaron, may I borrow some more of your expertise? What would you recommend in the way of Virus software? While I have not seemed to have a problem with my Mac, I do seem to see alot of emails that are carrying viruses around. But in general what do you recommend? Thanks, Byron Gardner -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com --- -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: DW or TTP? fork from Re: OS 10.3.5
You can't possibly spread them to anyone else unless you physically include the virus infested attachment when you send you email to a windows machine. Tom -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
DW or TTP? fork from Re: OS 10.3.5
The quote below raises the query: Which should I buy? Which is better, DiskWarrior or TechTool Pro? Are there price breaks for those that purchase one and want to try the other? Don From today's MacFixIt: 1. Make sure your hard drive is in good shape: Boot from the OS X Install CD and run Disk Utility's Repair Disk function (or use a third-party drive utility such as DiskWarrior or TechTool Pro). 2. When booted from the volume containing Mac OS X, run Disk Utility's Repair Disk Permissions function. 3. Install the update. 4. After rebooting, again run Repair Disk Permissions. Note item #2. Andrew Main I disagree. You should read Macfixit more often. Many people have problems after installing an OS X update. Better to be safe than sorry. By the way, the advice I gave comes straight from MACFIXIT. -- Aaron Willems OSX isn't that fragile...heck *Windows* isn't that fragile! __ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
