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Re: More wireless questions - Pismo Bronze

2004-06-18 Thread Tim Hodgson

On Thu, Jun 17, 2004 at 7:58 pm -0700, Jeff Hubatka wrote:

Routers are generally set up through a web browser, and don't need 
specific drivers. 

Just to set this thread off on yet another tangent :), it's worth bearing
in mind when shopping for routers that although router admin is normally
through a browser, and therefore more or less cross-platform, some
routers are less accommodating when it comes to firmware upgrades. My
(extremely cheap 'n' cheerful) router requires a PC of less than 900MHZ,
running non-emulated DOS and USB  2.0 to flash the firmware. I'm just
hoping I never need to do it :)

I should say that most aren't as bad as this, but many do require a
Windows PC for upgrades.

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Re: More wireless questions - Pismo Bronze

2004-06-18 Thread Laurent Daudelin

on 18/06/04 07:58, Tim Hodgson at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Thu, Jun 17, 2004 at 7:58 pm -0700, Jeff Hubatka wrote:
 
 Routers are generally set up through a web browser, and don't need
 specific drivers.
 
 Just to set this thread off on yet another tangent :), it's worth bearing
 in mind when shopping for routers that although router admin is normally
 through a browser, and therefore more or less cross-platform, some
 routers are less accommodating when it comes to firmware upgrades. My
 (extremely cheap 'n' cheerful) router requires a PC of less than 900MHZ,
 running non-emulated DOS and USB  2.0 to flash the firmware. I'm just
 hoping I never need to do it :)
 
 I should say that most aren't as bad as this, but many do require a
 Windows PC for upgrades.

Very good point, Tim!

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Re: More wireless questions - Pismo Bronze

2004-06-18 Thread Peter Chastain

I use a D-Link DWL-122 USB adapter for wireless; it requires software 
(included of course) which it installs as a pref. pane.  It looks like 
a USB keydrive, but comes with a USB extension cord, so one can hang it 
from on high if necessary, for better reception.  I use it when I'm on 
the road (as a forester I'm on the road a lot); most Starbucks have 
pay-for wireless access, and of course there is always war-driving...

-Peter
On Jun 17, 2004, at 12:48 PM, Imal Tornapart wrote:
I'm a low-end computing person, and would like to get as good a deal 
on the
wireless gear as I have so far on the box and accessories I've put 
together.
I don't need the fastest bestest gear on the block, but you-all seem to
share the same attitude of getting it working and keeping it for as 
long as
possible.

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Re: More wireless questions - Pismo Bronze

2004-06-17 Thread Laurent Daudelin

On 17/06/04 15:48, Imal Tornapart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi, I'm Dan.
 
 I'm brand new to the world of Mac (from years as a PC builder/fixer) and
 have a nice G3 400 Pismo 2000, 20GB, 576MB, running 9.2.2 and X.  I have
 been having a crash course on the whole Mac world for a week now, for the
 first time ever, and am liking it so far.
 
 I've been following this wireless thread, but I still have some reading to
 do before I commit.  I must admit I am undecided as to my choice in wireless
 hardware.  Apple hardware seems solid but limited in price range, yet the
 affordable third-party gear seems to be touchier to get working on Macs.
 
 I'm a low-end computing person, and would like to get as good a deal on the
 wireless gear as I have so far on the box and accessories I've put together.
 I don't need the fastest bestest gear on the block, but you-all seem to
 share the same attitude of getting it working and keeping it for as long as
 possible.
 
 I have read so much conflicting data, even at Apple.com, that I can't
 decide.  So where can I get hard technical info on the hardware in this
 Pismo?  Is that a PCMCIA or an Airport slot?  Will one or another work
 better with ClassicStumbler?  On and on..
 
 Thanks for looking at my long-winded rambling.  I'll tighten it up next
 time. :)

AppleSpecs can sometimes help
http://www.info.apple.com/support/applespec.html. For the PowerBook
(FireWire or Pismo),
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=43126.

For a more detailed description, there is also EveryMac.com
http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powerbook_g3/stats/powerbook_g3_400_f
w.html

You can use any wireless router that are 802.11b compliant. Then, use System
Profiler on OS X to check if your PowerBook has an internal AirPort card. If
it doesn't, you can probably get one cheap on eBay or maybe SmallDogs.
Unless you plan to transfer huge files on your network with another
computer, you don't really need 802.11g (54Mbps). If all what you're
planning to do is surf the Internet, receive and send emails, then 802.11b
(11Mbps) is plenty fast.

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Re: More wireless questions - Pismo Bronze

2004-06-17 Thread Bob

The National Enquirer reports at 4:21 PM -0400 6/17/04, Laurent 
Daudelin wrote:

On 17/06/04 15:48, Imal Tornapart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Hi, I'm Dan.
 
  I'm brand new to the world of Mac (from years as a PC builder/fixer) and
  have a nice G3 400 Pismo 2000, 20GB, 576MB, running 9.2.2 and X.  I have
  been having a crash course on the whole Mac world for a week now, for the
  first time ever, and am liking it so far.
 
  I've been following this wireless thread, but I still have some reading to
  do before I commit.  I must admit I am undecided as to my choice 
in wireless
  hardware.  Apple hardware seems solid but limited in price range, yet the
  affordable third-party gear seems to be touchier to get working on Macs.
 
  I'm a low-end computing person, and would like to get as good a deal on the
  wireless gear as I have so far on the box and accessories I've 
put together.
  I don't need the fastest bestest gear on the block, but you-all seem to
  share the same attitude of getting it working and keeping it for as long as
  possible.
 
  I have read so much conflicting data, even at Apple.com, that I can't
  decide.  So where can I get hard technical info on the hardware in this
  Pismo?  Is that a PCMCIA or an Airport slot?  Will one or another work
  better with ClassicStumbler?  On and on..
 
  Thanks for looking at my long-winded rambling.  I'll tighten it up next
  time. :)

snip
You can use any wireless router that are 802.11b compliant.

That's a pretty broad statement, Laurent. Can I clarify it a little bit?

You *can* use any 802.11b compliant WiFi router...if, and only 
if...there is a driver for it, either from the manufacturer, from the 
OS itself, or if a 3rd-party diver supports it. That applies to all 
OS versions, but especially OS X. If you can find one that meets that 
requirement, go for whatever makes you happy.

For additional features you may want in a WiFi router, please refer 
to my comments in the previous threads:
Wall Street, wi-fi, and OS 9.1   on 6/15
another wireless questionon 6/16

A question for those of you using 3rd-party cards or routers -- would 
you say that a person needs to be somewhat technically savvy to get 
these to work (not a total Geek, just a notch or two above a novice 
user)? I'm just curious. I don't think I would expect a fairly novice 
user to be able to install the Sourceforge wireless driver in OS X 
and be able to get it to work without help.

Then, use System
Profiler on OS X to check if your PowerBook has an internal AirPort card. If
it doesn't, you can probably get one cheap on eBay or maybe SmallDogs.

With only one PCMCIA slot, it seems more prudent to me to get an 
internal Airport card. You never know when you might want to use that 
PC slot for something else. For instance,  10/100 Ethernet card.

Unless you plan to transfer huge files on your network with another
computer, you don't really need 802.11g (54Mbps). If all what you're
planning to do is surf the Internet, receive and send emails, then 802.11b
(11Mbps) is plenty fast.

If I'm interpreting Laurent's comment correctly, he meant to say 
/or/ with another computer. (I'm an expert at making typos and 
omissions. g). I agree with his assessment completely.

Bob


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Re: More wireless questions - Pismo Bronze

2004-06-17 Thread Steve Fuller

On Jun 17, 2004, at 6:39 PM, Bob wrote:
snip
You can use any wireless router that are 802.11b compliant.
That's a pretty broad statement, Laurent. Can I clarify it a little 
bit?

You *can* use any 802.11b compliant WiFi router...if, and only
if...there is a driver for it, either from the manufacturer, from the
OS itself, or if a 3rd-party diver supports it. That applies to all
OS versions, but especially OS X. If you can find one that meets that
requirement, go for whatever makes you happy.
Well, I would mostly tend to agree with Laurent's statement. The card 
that you place in the Powerbook will need a driver. If the router (or 
access point or whatever it is) supports setup via web browser (which 
most recent ones do), you won't need a driver to set it up. I have seen 
older access points (or routers) that can only be set up over USB 
initially. For those, you would probably need an appropriate driver to 
set the access point up. Fortunately, those are few and far between now 
if you purchase new. With used models, you may take your chances. Once 
the initial setup is done, you should be able to use any 802.11b 
compatible access point (or router) with an Apple Airport card for 
internet access.

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Re: More wireless questions - Pismo Bronze

2004-06-17 Thread Bob

The National Enquirer reports at 7:39 PM -0500 6/17/04, Steve Fuller wrote:

On Jun 17, 2004, at 6:39 PM, Bob wrote:

  snip
  You can use any wireless router that are 802.11b compliant.
 
  That's a pretty broad statement, Laurent. Can I clarify it a little
  bit?
 
  You *can* use any 802.11b compliant WiFi router...if, and only
  if...there is a driver for it, either from the manufacturer, from the
  OS itself, or if a 3rd-party diver supports it. That applies to all
  OS versions, but especially OS X. If you can find one that meets that
  requirement, go for whatever makes you happy.

Well, I would mostly tend to agree with Laurent's statement. The card
that you place in the Powerbook will need a driver.

Ack, when I cross wires, I really cross wires. You're absolutely 
right. It's the card that needs the driver. I should have said setup 
software. The WAP will need to be configured and the end user will 
need to have some way of doing that.

Laurent, I owe you an apology. I came down with a sudden case of 
foot-in-mouth disease.

If the router (or
access point or whatever it is) supports setup via web browser (which
most recent ones do), you won't need a driver to set it up.

I have not kept up with the changes in 3rd-party WAPs. I just 
remember seeing numerous complaints about some units being extremely 
difficult to setup because of the lack of Mac software or Mac 
support. Perhaps, as you say, all that has changed in the last year 
or so. I know that some manufacturers have  an IP addresses that can 
be accessed via a browser to assist the buyer in setting the unit up.

I have seen
older access points (or routers) that can only be set up over USB
initially. For those, you would probably need an appropriate driver to
set the access point up. Fortunately, those are few and far between now
if you purchase new. With used models, you may take your chances. Once
the initial setup is done, you should be able to use any 802.11b
compatible access point (or router) with an Apple Airport card for
internet access.

I was thinking of some possible changes that might need to be made 
from time to time. Like turning on or off WEP or WAP; changing 
encryption codes; adding or removing MACs in the access control 
section. That sort of thing. But as noted above, if you can set up 
the unit initially, the changes shouldn't be much more difficult. 
Personally, I make more changes than the average bear because I'm 
still using dialup and have more than one ISP. So every time I need 
to use another ISP, I have to tell the base station to use  different 
information. It's easy to forget that most people don't have that 
situation.

Thanks for catching my faux pas. I hit a mental bad block every now 
and again and it gums everything up. :-/

Bob


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Re: More wireless questions - Pismo Bronze

2004-06-17 Thread Clark Martin

At 5:39 PM -0600 6/17/04, Bob wrote:
The National Enquirer reports at 4:21 PM -0400 6/17/04, Laurent
Daudelin wrote:


 You can use any wireless router that are 802.11b compliant.
That's a pretty broad statement, Laurent. Can I clarify it a little bit?
You *can* use any 802.11b compliant WiFi router...if, and only
if...there is a driver for it, either from the manufacturer, from the
OS itself, or if a 3rd-party diver supports it. That applies to all
OS versions, but especially OS X. If you can find one that meets that
requirement, go for whatever makes you happy.

You CAN use any 802.11b compliant WiFi ROUTER.  No drivers are 
required for anything.  You will likely want one that can be 
configured via a web browser making it independent of operating 
system.  A WiFi INTERFACE CARD requires a OS specific driver, but not 
the router.


For additional features you may want in a WiFi router, please refer
to my comments in the previous threads:
Wall Street, wi-fi, and OS 9.1   on 6/15
another wireless questionon 6/16
A question for those of you using 3rd-party cards or routers -- would
you say that a person needs to be somewhat technically savvy to get
these to work (not a total Geek, just a notch or two above a novice
user)? I'm just curious. I don't think I would expect a fairly novice
user to be able to install the Sourceforge wireless driver in OS X
and be able to get it to work without help.
You don't have to be technically savvy to set it up, unless anything 
goes wrong.  But fortunately that never happens, does it.

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Re: More wireless questions - Pismo Bronze

2004-06-17 Thread Jeff Hubatka

That's a pretty broad statement, Laurent. Can I clarify it a little 
bit?

You *can* use any 802.11b compliant WiFi router...if, and only
if...there is a driver for it, either from the manufacturer, from the
OS itself, or if a 3rd-party diver supports it. That applies to all
OS versions, but especially OS X. If you can find one that meets that
requirement, go for whatever makes you happy.
For additional features you may want in a WiFi router, please refer
to my comments in the previous threads:
Wall Street, wi-fi, and OS 9.1   on 6/15
another wireless questionon 6/16
A question for those of you using 3rd-party cards or routers -- would
you say that a person needs to be somewhat technically savvy to get
these to work (not a total Geek, just a notch or two above a novice
user)? I'm just curious. I don't think I would expect a fairly novice
user to be able to install the Sourceforge wireless driver in OS X
and be able to get it to work without help.

Routers are generally set up through a web browser, and don't need 
specific drivers. The wireless cards, on the other hand, do need 
drivers. Installation of the sourceforge driver isn't any harder than 
installing another program, but the fact that the troubleshooting steps 
are to install each component separately a number of times can be 
confusing. I installed it a dozen times and never got the Proxim 
Harmony card to work, but the WaveLAN Gold worked first try for me with 
my TiBook.

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Re: More wireless questions

2002-11-10 Thread Roger Shufflebottom

Just thought I'd mention that I've bought a Buffalo Airstation
WLAR-L1 1G router which plugs into my cable modem. It has 4 ethernet
connections for wired systems and the Airport card in my Powerbook
800 works with it very well. Price was £115 (GBP) plus tax here in
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Re: More wireless questions

2002-11-08 Thread Brian Scott Oplinger

Greetings everyone,

I have several more questions about the whole 802.11b thing:

1-Can someone explain why the D-link Wi-Fi  D-614+ router is claiming 22mbs?
Can any macs reach this speed with the current airport card?

I remember seeing something about it somewhere, one of the mac based 
news sites. As I recall, the 11b is incompatible with 11, which is 
why it gets twice the speed. And with the backwards compatible (mean 
'regular' 802.11 cards can work on it) 11a around the corner, its not 
likely it'll be very widely accepted. Perhaps its the other way 
around though, 11a is incompatible and 11b is backwards compatible.

2- Is there any way to secure my wireless router? (keeping other people from
surfing on my line?) Are there software that allows me to track activity on
my router?

Wireless is inherently insecure. But the obvious things are to 
configure it tightly (that is it will only work on ports you allow, 
no others) and to use 128 bit encryped passwords. This is good enough 
for 'home use' but I'd hate to hear my bank or someplace that had 
important data allowed it to travel over a wireless network.

3- What are the latest predictions on when Apple will jump on the 802.11a
bandwagon? (54mps?)

Dunno this one. After all, 802.11 is faster than even my cable modem 
can deliver data, and there aren't that many people hooked up to T3's 
or better. Kind of like gigabit ethernet. Useful if you have a 
specialized need for it, overkill for a 'home' user.

Thanks!

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Re: More wireless questions

2002-11-08 Thread Eugene Lee

On Thu, Nov 07, 2002 at 10:31:43PM -0800, Vic Viet Duong wrote:
: 
: I have several more questions about the whole 802.11b thing:
: 
: 1-Can someone explain why the D-link Wi-Fi  D-614+ router is claiming 22mbs?

Somewhat proprietary enhancements.  It works only if you also use their
WiFi cards.

: Can any macs reach this speed with the current airport card?

No.

: 2- Is there any way to secure my wireless router? (keeping other people from
: surfing on my line?)

http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=58571

: 3- What are the latest predictions on when Apple will jump on the 802.11a
: bandwagon? (54mps?)

There's very few 802.11a products.  I think most folks, including Apple,
are waiting on 802.11g, which has a big advantage of being backwards
compatable with 802.11b.


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Re: More wireless questions

2002-11-08 Thread Jeremy Derr

On Friday, November 8, 2002, at 02:39  PM, Brian Scott Oplinger wrote:

 I remember seeing something about it somewhere, one of the mac based
 news sites. As I recall, the 11b is incompatible with 11, which is
 why it gets twice the speed. And with the backwards compatible (mean
 'regular' 802.11 cards can work on it) 11a around the corner, its not
 likely it'll be very widely accepted. Perhaps its the other way
 around though, 11a is incompatible and 11b is backwards compatible.

802.11b is the same as Airport. Since it's the first wireless protocol, 
it can't really be backwards compatible... there wasn't anything 
before it!

802.11a is, indeed, completely incompatible with 802.11b. Some 'a' 
access points also have 'b' access points built into them (so 
essentially, you have two access points in one device) to overcome 
this, but obviously this adds to the cost. there is no '802.11' alone. 
IEEE 802 is the base code for ethernet. 802.3, for instance, is wired 
ethernet. The different versions of 802.3 include 1Mbps ethernet, 
10Mbps, 100Mbps, 1000Mbps... they all have their own letters, but I 
can't remember which is which. But there is no 'plain 802.3' or 'plain 
802.11'. they all have a letter.

802.11g is coming soon (or was). It's cross-compatible and backwards 
compatible with 802.11b (airport/wi-fi).


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Re: More wireless questions

2002-11-08 Thread Justin

excellent explaination. myself, i know about 802.11b, and ieee 
standards and the likes, but i never got into as much detail as that.

On Friday, November 8, 2002, at 11:25 AM, Jeremy Derr wrote:

 On Friday, November 8, 2002, at 02:39  PM, Brian Scott Oplinger wrote:

 I remember seeing something about it somewhere, one of the mac based
 news sites. As I recall, the 11b is incompatible with 11, which is
 why it gets twice the speed. And with the backwards compatible (mean
 'regular' 802.11 cards can work on it) 11a around the corner, its not
 likely it'll be very widely accepted. Perhaps its the other way
 around though, 11a is incompatible and 11b is backwards compatible.

 802.11b is the same as Airport. Since it's the first wireless protocol,
 it can't really be backwards compatible... there wasn't anything
 before it!

 802.11a is, indeed, completely incompatible with 802.11b. Some 'a'
 access points also have 'b' access points built into them (so
 essentially, you have two access points in one device) to overcome
 this, but obviously this adds to the cost. there is no '802.11' alone.
 IEEE 802 is the base code for ethernet. 802.3, for instance, is wired
 ethernet. The different versions of 802.3 include 1Mbps ethernet,
 10Mbps, 100Mbps, 1000Mbps... they all have their own letters, but I
 can't remember which is which. But there is no 'plain 802.3' or 'plain
 802.11'. they all have a letter.

 802.11g is coming soon (or was). It's cross-compatible and backwards
 compatible with 802.11b (airport/wi-fi).


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