Re: OT: Re: OS X on x86...
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Are the Athelon chips the same as the Intel chips in this discussion? Aren't they less expensive and don't they run cooler? They're definitely less expensive, but not, in general, less power-hungry. The Intel chips are better at reducing power requirements when idle. The Apple portables are anyway much better at being portable than their x86-based counterparts---things like near-instant wake-up from sleep, battery life(?), general robustness, both physical and software-wise. I'm not sure how much of this would transfer across to an x86-based design. -- Raymond WikerMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Senior Software Engineer Web: http://www.fast.no/ Fast Search Transfer ASA Phone: +47 23 01 11 60 P.O. Box 1677 Vika Fax: +47 35 54 87 99 NO-0120 Oslo, NORWAY Mob: +47 48 01 11 60 Try FAST Search: http://alltheweb.com/ -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
OT: Re: OS X on x86...
I argue no. I do not see Apple making the profit they want and wouldn't be very profitable. As it stands, Apple needs to sell hardware. Remember during the clone wars? That may happen again unless Apple builds MacOS X's marketshare. Now, I pose the question, who would buy a license for something like iDVD or iMovie? How much would Apple charge? Now remember, the i-apps are part of MacOS X. On Friday, September 6, 2002, at 12:44 AM, Ryan Coleman wrote: Are you saying their software is *not* profitable? iDVD, iMovie, OS X are very porfitable. If they didn't do hardware, they probably could do very well in those categories. And the hardware does well too. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: OT: Re: OS X on x86...
on 06/09/02 05:09, markemmanuel at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I argue no. I do not see Apple making the profit they want and wouldn't be very profitable. As it stands, Apple needs to sell hardware. Remember during the clone wars? That may happen again unless Apple builds MacOS X's marketshare. Now, I pose the question, who would buy a license for something like iDVD or iMovie? How much would Apple charge? Now remember, the i-apps are part of MacOS X. On Friday, September 6, 2002, at 12:44 AM, Ryan Coleman wrote: Are you saying their software is *not* profitable? iDVD, iMovie, OS X are very porfitable. If they didn't do hardware, they probably could do very well in those categories. And the hardware does well too. But Apple could replace the PowerPC and keeps the rest of the architecture of the machines they have today. Then, an x86 version would be handy, but that doesn't mean that OS X would run on your neighbor's Dell (or Gateway or whatever). -Laurent. -- Laurent Daudelin AIM/RV: LaurentDaudelinhttp://nemesys.dyndns.org Logiciels Nemesys Software mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Heuristics are bug ridden by definition. If they didn't have bugs, then they'd be algorithms. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: OT: Re: OS X on x86...
On 9/6/02 5:49 AM, Laurent Daudelin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But Apple could replace the PowerPC and keeps the rest of the architecture of the machines they have today. Then, an x86 version would be handy, but that doesn't mean that OS X would run on your neighbor's Dell (or Gateway or whatever). -Laurent. -- That's exactly what I wouldn't mind seeing. I mean, I am not a Mac addict because of the PowerPC chip. I like the end result. The interface. I love X. Truth be told, when I tried out my first Mac in 1999, it was the cheap low end iMac. I was going to try it for a year to see what it was like while I was in Korea. I wasn't too impressed. It crashed just as much as my Windows 9x machine did. I was going to go back to a PC until I heard of the coming of OS X. So I stayed, and bought the public beta, and even bought the high end iMac to run it on. I was s happy with it, and that is why I stayed Mac. So if Apple decided to use a Pentium 4 (or equivalent) in a closed architecture system, I wouldn't mind. I would mind if they used the standard PC architecture, because I truly think Apple would die because of it. I don't think they make enough revenue from their software. OK...so they sold 100,000 copies of Jag in their first weekend, or was it 150? Either way...not enough to support them. They would have to seriously downsize, and that would lesson quality. My opinion of course...and everybody has one...just like...nevermind ;) Walt -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: OS X on x86...
Walter Basil writes: As Apple Computer Inc. draws up its game plan for the CPUs that will power its future generations of Mac hardware, the company is holding an ace in the hole: a feature-complete version of Mac OS X running atop the x86 architecture. Apple has been porting the Mac OS to Intel since the Star Trek version of System 7.something. NeXTstep, the OS most directly related to Mac OS X, started on 68030 and '040 hardware, but it was later ported to Intel as well. But as Steve Jobs mentioned, Apple likes to keep its options open. You can bet that Apple is also porting OS X to other platforms -- maybe the Alpha chip, IBM's Power series, Itanium, and who knows what else. This means that if Motorola ever collapses under its own incompetence, Apple can pick up without missing a beat. It doesn't mean Apple will ever sell x86 computers, but it does mean that Apple could sell OS X as an alternate OS for that hardware. Imagine how many might abandon Windows and Linux for such an OS But don't expect Apple to ever move to Wintel hardware. Even if they did decide to use the Athlon or Pentium, I'd expect them to design their own motherboard with their own ROMs to keep the Mac experience integrated, something Wintel kludge hardware simply can't offer. -- Dan Knight, president, Cobweb Publishing, Inc. http://cobwebpublishing.com http://lowendmac.com http://digital-views.com http://digigraphica.com http://lowendpc.com http://reformed.net The more acceptance that technology gets, the harder it is to change. If enough people are stuck at the same level, they think it's the truth. -- Bjarne Stroustrup -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: OS X on x86...
It doesn't mean Apple will ever sell x86 computers, but it does mean that Apple could sell OS X as an alternate OS for that hardware. Imagine how many might abandon Windows and Linux for such an OS my roommate, an die-hard wintel fan, has expressed interest in using OS X on his PC so I hope it happens :-) -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: OT: Re: OS X on x86...
Are the Athelon chips the same as the Intel chips in this discussion? Aren't they less expensive and don't they run cooler? Paula -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: OT: Re: OS X on x86...
In a message dated 9/6/02 8:59:52 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I would mind if they used the standard PC architecture, because I truly think Apple would die because of it. I don't think they make enough revenue from their software. OK...so they sold 100,000 copies of Jag in their first weekend, or was it 150? Either way...not enough to support them. They would have to seriously downsize, and that would lesson quality. Wait a minute. I remember reading an article that said Bill Gates made more profit selling Office for Mac X than Apple made profit selling the computers to run that software on. Maybe the profit is higher on the software side. (Which would explain why Microsoft gets so bent out of shape about software piracy.) Paula -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
OS X on x86...
From an article on Ziff Davis... As Apple Computer Inc. draws up its game plan for the CPUs that will power its future generations of Mac hardware, the company is holding an ace in the hole: a feature-complete version of Mac OS X running atop the x86 architecture. http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,496270,00.asp Comments? -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: OS X on x86...
On Thu, 5 Sep 2002, Walter Basil wrote: As Apple Computer Inc. draws up its game plan for the CPUs that will power its future generations of Mac hardware, the company is holding an ace in the hole: a feature-complete version of Mac OS X running atop the x86 architecture. Comments? It doesn't seem germane to G-books. Since you asked. KeS -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: OS X on x86...
On 9/5/02 3:03 PM, Kevin Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It doesn't seem germane to G-books. Since you asked. KeS Well..that's not what I meant, but you know that don't you? You are tolerated...this time ;) Walt -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: OS X on x86...
On Thursday, September 5, 2002, at 05:56 PM, Walter Basil wrote: http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,496270,00.asp Comments? It's a rumor to be ignored as it has little to do with how we use our Macs today. Shawn King On this week's YML: Shalat, Breen America's Most Romantic Couple! http://www.yourmaclife.com -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: OS X on x86...
On 9/5/02 3:03 PM, Kevin Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It doesn't seem germane to G-books. Since you asked. KeS Well..that's not what I meant, but you know that don't you? You are tolerated...this time ;) I think Apple will be digging its own hardware grave if they do that. They would lose much of their hardware-related business if they ported over to the Wintel CPUs. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: OS X on x86...
The x86 version is simply a academic exercise to ensure portability and keep good programming practices. Heck, sometimes bugs don't show up on one hardware platform but it does on another. Of course, you can't rule out the possiblity of Apple releasing MacOS X on the 'other' platform when the OS has garnered a sizable market share or Apple figures out how to make money in Software AND in hardware. --markemmanuel On Thursday, September 5, 2002, at 05:56 PM, Walter Basil wrote: As Apple Computer Inc. draws up its game plan for the CPUs that will power its future generations of Mac hardware, the company is holding an ace in the hole: a feature-complete version of Mac OS X running atop the x86 architecture. http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,496270,00.asp Comments? -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: OS X on x86...
The x86 version is simply a academic exercise to ensure portability and keep good programming practices. Heck, sometimes bugs don't show up on one hardware platform but it does on another. Of course, you can't rule out the possiblity of Apple releasing MacOS X on the 'other' platform when the OS has garnered a sizable market share or Apple figures out how to make money in Software AND in hardware. Are you saying their software is *not* profitable? iDVD, iMovie, OS X are very porfitable. If they didn't do hardware, they probably could do very well in those categories. And the hardware does well too. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
